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TV time 00:01:24 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 00:07:18 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:07:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 00:08:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:10:24 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-29.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 00:10:55 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 00:11:31 *** [1]KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.118.198] has joined #openttd 00:12:14 *** KenjiE20 is now known as Guest284 00:12:14 *** [1]KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20 00:12:18 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-186.43.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:12:43 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:15:21 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:15:40 *** Guest284 [~KenjiE20@92.16.118.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:16:03 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-186.43.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 00:16:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 00:29:33 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:52 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:39:33 *** Rubidium changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.3, 0.7.0-beta2 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: 00:39:33 <Rubidium> translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & 00:39:36 <Rubidium> Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | 00:40:22 *** Rubidium changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.3, 0.7.0-beta2 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only | Discussion of realism is now a quietable offence 00:40:30 <Rubidium> why do I always fail with topics? 00:42:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-248-128.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:44:29 <goodger> Rubidium: there is a small but vocal school of thought that posits that you are partially constructed from the medium of fail 00:45:50 *** Sacro_ [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:46:20 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:48:16 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:52:41 *** glx|away is now known as glx 01:04:49 <welshdragon> hmm, i tried o do IS on my own machine, it failed 01:05:02 * welshdragon was trying to run two clients locally 01:05:08 <welshdragon> something about the protocol? 01:06:58 <welshdragon> never mind, it works now :) 01:11:15 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:13 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:29:40 *** michi_cc [a30c3657db@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:36 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:38 *** michi_cc [5eac770b43@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 01:32:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 01:35:44 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 01:38:54 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48:25 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 02:13:36 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e177138112.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. (Thomas Jefferson)] 02:14:11 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has left #openttd [] 02:17:13 <RS-SM> I think I found a bug 02:17:13 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:18:32 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 02:20:20 <Aali> RS-SM: good for you 02:27:04 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-186.43.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:47 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 02:52:55 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 02:57:08 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:57:18 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 02:57:52 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [] 02:57:57 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 02:58:56 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:58:56 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 03:08:37 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:17 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:15:47 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.118.198] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? 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I've written a patch that works even though it shouldn't 05:05:28 <db48x> I'd like to understand why 05:05:37 <db48x> http://db48x.net/temp/terraform-1.diff 05:29:26 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 05:37:54 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:37:54 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:37:57 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 05:50:50 <dihedral> fairplay 23820 0.4 0.8 326016 8456 pts/1 Ss+ Mar09 2:30 ./openttd -c openttd.cfg -D 05:50:56 <dihedral> problem still exists 05:56:06 <petern> ² 05:56:17 <petern> dihedral, who said it wouldn't? 06:15:09 <el_en> your awayk urly 06:17:14 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 06:19:56 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:19:56 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:00 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 06:26:15 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-29.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:35:03 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: energetic] 06:41:57 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm194.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 06:45:30 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 06:53:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15662 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r11795): Don't mark a company as having ratings in a town when querying the cost of a command. 06:56:04 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:01:18 <dihedral> petern: i assumed, because of the one commit by michi_cc 07:12:21 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:21:58 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:27:37 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:28:07 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 07:29:22 *** apo_ [apo@pD9E7B7B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:31:21 *** apo [apo@pD9E7D0A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:31:54 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry 07:41:04 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 07:43:53 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:52:26 <planetmaker> good morning 07:53:10 <dihedral> oi 07:53:22 <dihedral> sorry pm, i was on a seminar on sat 07:53:39 <planetmaker> hey dih :) No worries 07:54:12 <planetmaker> btw, which e-mail do you prefer me to use? 07:54:31 <planetmaker> And I hope the seminar was fun and joyful? 07:54:43 <DASPRiD> dihedral, oink 07:55:11 <dihedral> i knew it! i always knew it! 07:55:17 <planetmaker> :D 07:55:24 <dihedral> the seminar was great :-) 07:55:33 <dihedral> was a very well filled 24 hours 07:55:34 <planetmaker> what was it about? 07:55:39 <dihedral> youth work 07:55:45 <planetmaker> great :) 07:55:54 <dihedral> tiring! 07:56:14 <dihedral> got there at 10am, and there was always something going on until 4am 07:56:19 <planetmaker> so you know now everything how to tend a horde of fleds? 07:56:34 <dihedral> well, no :-D 07:56:47 <dihedral> but i know i need to learn more than i assumed before :-P 07:56:54 <planetmaker> :P 07:56:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179179016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 07:57:18 <planetmaker> better than vice versa :) - then things get boring ;) 07:57:37 <dihedral> yes 07:57:46 <dihedral> but the teens that were there, were a good bunch of fun 07:57:53 <planetmaker> :D 07:58:08 <dihedral> though i did not agree with one particular situation tbh 07:58:17 <dihedral> 3 people decided...... 07:58:24 <dihedral> that 2 would grab me by hands and fee 07:58:26 <dihedral> t 07:58:35 *** AmixE90 [~AmixE@ggsn-pool0x53-24.networknorway.no] has joined #openttd 07:58:38 <planetmaker> *splash*? 07:58:43 <dihedral> the third opened the window, they threw me out and closed the window again 07:58:45 <AmixE90> Wee 07:58:47 <dihedral> :-D 07:58:51 <planetmaker> :D 07:58:52 <dihedral> t'was fun ^^ 07:59:17 <dihedral> thankfully we were on the ground floor hehe 07:59:23 <planetmaker> :) I can easily imagine :) 07:59:36 <planetmaker> oh, I would have thought there was a water basin or so :P 07:59:38 <DASPRiD> funny guys ^_° 07:59:58 <dihedral> hihi 08:00:05 <dihedral> thankfully not, no 08:00:28 <planetmaker> or swimming pools. Make good "dump locations" for people carried like you describe :P 08:01:03 <planetmaker> It's considerate to take their wallet, mobile and watch of them before, though :S 08:01:16 <dihedral> yes 08:01:31 <AmixE90> If you are me and havent slept in 17 hours. Whats best to eat to stay awake? 08:01:38 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:39 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:01:50 <planetmaker> Luckily I'm not you :P 08:02:09 <AmixE90> Yeye 08:02:48 <dihedral> well, i did tease them a bit for that, so i had my fun too :-D 08:02:55 <planetmaker> hehe :) 08:03:08 <planetmaker> tid for tad, eh? 08:03:31 <dihedral> yes 08:03:32 <dihedral> :-P 08:03:53 <DASPRiD> AmixE90, something with 600,000 scoville 08:09:35 <AmixE90> Whats that? 08:09:59 <AmixE90> I didnt get sleep last night. Dont know why 08:12:29 <planetmaker> sachimi 08:12:40 <planetmaker> with coke 08:15:16 <AmixE90> I just need to turn my internal biological clock. When i work late shifts its hard to goto sleep when done at 22. I said to myself. Goto sleep at 23.00, but I ended up at 02.00 and then someone messaged me and clock became 04. Impossible to get some 08:15:22 <AmixE90> sleep then ;) 08:15:34 <AmixE90> and work started 08,.. 08:17:11 * DASPRiD resets AmixE90' biological clock 08:24:17 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:24:17 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:24:20 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 08:26:37 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:30:13 <AmixE90> I need it 08:33:51 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.57] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 08:37:03 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-9-162.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:38:16 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-away 08:38:35 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-179-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:41:13 <AmixE90> I am not a coffee person, so for me its painfull. But i like pain ;) 08:42:21 *** qyve [~qyve@193.43.249.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:43:53 <Ammler> Morning all 08:44:12 <Ammler> 31738 openttd 25 10 352m 16m 3424 R 0 0.8 70:38.67 openttd <-- there might be still a leak somewhere ;-/ 08:44:37 <Rubidium> it's only using 16 MB 08:45:03 <Ammler> oh, that was also before 08:45:15 <Ammler> onvly virtual mem rised 08:46:37 <Ammler> (before r15652) 08:47:37 <Ammler> it is much better anyway, as we would have around 1 GB now... 08:49:04 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm194.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:50:37 <planetmaker> he... still a leak left? :S 08:51:22 <planetmaker> Hm, Rubidium, the mem leak fix isn't in the current nightly, is it? 08:51:26 <Ammler> dunno, just high :-) 08:51:39 <planetmaker> it will only be in the upcoming one? 08:51:58 <Ammler> ah, I thought it's r15652 08:52:38 <petern> hey guys 08:52:43 <petern> you know there's more than one line of code? 08:52:47 <planetmaker> he... I think so, too :) 08:52:59 <planetmaker> petern: oh.... now you mention it :P 08:53:10 <petern> well you know there may be more than one leak right? 08:53:41 <planetmaker> petern: sure. But the hope that _one_ fix might have fixed it could have been a valid one :) 08:54:33 <planetmaker> [09:47] <Ammler> it is much better anyway, as we would have around 1 GB now... <-- and I think that was hinted here, too :) 08:54:43 <Rubidium> Ammler/petern: does the kernel on your machine have pax? 08:56:24 <planetmaker> hm... dunno what it is. man pax doesn't return anything. Should it? 08:56:36 <Rubidium> it's something in the kernel 08:57:24 <planetmaker> logs$ uname -a 08:57:25 <planetmaker> Linux tenshi 2.6.18.1.20061115-ralph.33.p4 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Nov 15 19:43:27 CET 2006 i686 GNU/Linux 08:57:37 <planetmaker> ^^ can that help to tell? 08:57:48 <planetmaker> or: how do I find out? 08:58:30 <Rubidium> do you have a /proc/config.gz ? 08:59:25 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/test.c <- does that cause vsize to grow for you? 09:01:00 <planetmaker> there's no /proc/config* 09:04:31 <planetmaker> but test.c seems to have constant virtual memory 09:04:53 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:17 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:05:23 *** Yeggs-away is now known as Yeggstry 09:05:24 <Rubidium> planetmaker: that's on a machine where vsize increases over time, right? 09:05:52 <planetmaker> it's the publicserver machine. So afaik yes 09:06:45 <planetmaker> yes. We have already 8mb more for our PS than Ammler posted 15 or 30 minutes ago... 09:06:52 <Ammler> the virtual memory there was around 2-3GB after a day 09:07:17 <planetmaker> 31738 openttd 25 10 368m 16m 3424 S 0 0.8 70:38.73 openttd 09:07:39 *** jpm_ [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 09:07:45 <Ammler> (server is paused) 09:07:54 <planetmaker> [09:44] <Ammler> 31738 openttd 25 10 352m 16m 3424 R 0 0.8 70:38.67 <-- 25 minutes ago 09:08:06 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:02 <Rubidium> what does pmap tell about the process? 09:09:12 <Ammler> Rubidium: that is a "real" server no vps like mine or dih's 09:10:04 <planetmaker> well. The only difference is, that this won't get an OOM error - or? 09:10:14 <Ammler> yeah 09:10:27 <Ammler> vps has a silly limit at 700 MB or so 09:13:55 <planetmaker> Rubidium: http://paste.openttd.org/180224 09:16:53 <petern> i don't have a proc config -- it's a standard debian lenny kernel 09:25:06 <Rubidium> too bad :( 09:26:16 <racetrack> debian keeps its config in /boot/config* 09:26:25 <racetrack> but you don't have pax in a stock kernel 09:26:58 <racetrack> you need to install linux-patch-grsecurity2 and then rebuild the kernel to get it 09:28:13 <planetmaker> doh... 09:28:59 <planetmaker> Rubidium: does the config help you, given we have a default debian sarge kernel? 09:29:39 <Ammler> 2.6.18.1.20061115-ralph.33.p4 <-- doesn't look like default 09:29:41 <Rubidium> no, just hoped to get some clue whether pax might be installed 09:30:00 <planetmaker> hm, ok. But Ammler's right. Doesn't look like default. 09:30:15 <Ammler> we need to ask Phoenix... 09:30:42 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/180225 <-- I find no reference to PAX 09:34:30 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 09:34:46 <AmixE90> OpenTTD should get a file archive like www.aminet.net 09:35:12 <AmixE90> where every newgrf is listed etc 09:35:49 <Ammler> AmixE90: you missed bananas :P 09:36:07 <planetmaker> and grfcrawler 09:36:11 <AmixE90> OpenTTD crawler is basicly ok. But if it was like aminet.net, it would be easier i think 09:37:07 <petern> you missed bananas 09:37:11 <petern> which is easier, i think 09:37:35 <AmixE90> Dancing bananas 09:37:45 <AmixE90> ? 09:41:04 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:41:45 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 09:47:19 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:47:19 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:47:22 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 09:58:39 <petern> arrr 09:58:44 <petern> just compiled beta2 09:59:02 * petern valgrinds it :p 09:59:56 <[wito]> What rev is beta-2? 10:00:11 <[wito]> 15660? 10:00:14 <petern> no 10:00:36 <petern> it is a tag... tags/0.7.0-beta2 10:00:37 <[wito]> ah 10:01:11 <[wito]> so 15661 (the revision where that got introduced) 10:01:53 <petern> there are some changes in the tag though 10:02:00 <petern> just to be awkward :D 10:03:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:08:04 <[wito]> ah 10:08:39 <petern> heh, my ottd process gets bigger, but that might just be valgrind :p 10:10:20 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:21 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:11:39 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-104-071.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:12:40 <Rubidium> might it be happening every time OpenTTD advertises? 10:16:31 <dihedral> Rubidium, i put my server in pause mode and will watch it for some time 10:16:56 <dihedral> if it's clients or advertising, then it'll show in paused mode too ^^ 10:17:44 *** Klanticus [~quassel@monowall.cisc.usp.br] has joined #openttd 10:17:50 <petern> i did wonder that 10:18:35 <Rubidium> it grows ~ 1GB per day? 10:18:54 <dihedral> i have a 512x512 map 10:19:24 <dihedral> it's exceeds ~600 MB within about 18 hours 10:19:38 <petern> dunno about per day, i only noticed at it 3GB after 2 weeks 10:20:27 <Rubidium> sounds about right; 8 MB per 15 minutes 10:23:37 <petern> :o 10:23:39 * petern tests 10:24:49 <petern> yup 10:24:56 <dihedral> Rubidium, 8MB in 15 mins sounds too much to be caused by advertising or client connects 10:24:57 <petern> i changed interval to 9 seconds 10:25:01 <dihedral> + is too regular 10:25:08 <dihedral> (at least for client connections) 10:25:08 <petern> and it goes up 8MB every 9 seconds 10:25:16 <planetmaker> he... 10:25:18 <dihedral> petern, which interval? 10:25:24 <planetmaker> advertise? 10:25:24 <petern> never you mind 10:25:27 <petern> ok, yes 10:25:31 <dihedral> ouch 10:25:35 <dihedral> wow 10:25:40 <petern> total 94124K 10:25:41 <petern> already 10:25:45 <petern> 102MB 10:25:51 <planetmaker> :O 10:25:53 <petern> 110MB 10:26:12 <planetmaker> You'll need much hot-plugging ram :) 10:26:45 <petern> 151MB 10:26:49 <petern> Rubidium hits the mark 10:27:20 <petern> petern 10777 0.5 0.1 176084 4860 pts/3 S+ 10:24 0:00 bin/openttd -D 10:27:21 <petern> heh 10:27:59 <petern> although 10:28:06 <petern> why i suspected it but didn't test this i don't know :o 10:31:29 <dihedral> at least you know where to look for the bug in the code now :-D 10:34:13 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng22-2-0-cust533.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:44 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-128-242.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:43:29 <petern> total 995684K 10:43:34 <petern> :o 10:43:40 <petern> that is most definitely the spot 10:44:01 <petern> petern 10777 0.3 0.1 1028468 6940 pts/3 S+ 10:24 0:04 bin/openttd -D 10:44:02 <petern> hehe 10:44:07 <petern> 6.9MB resident, overwise 10:44:11 <petern> otherwise 10:44:58 <petern> however, advertising appears to use threads new 10:45:01 <petern> *now 10:45:43 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-104-071.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:45:53 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 10:48:18 <petern> incidentally, valgrind does not see it ever 10:48:23 <petern> so that would never've helped 10:49:49 <Noldo> it can't follow threads 10:49:54 <Noldo> ? 10:51:23 <petern> no idea 10:51:35 <petern> it doesn't see it as lost, anyway 10:53:01 * petern removes the threading 10:53:11 <Rubidium> so we need to start garbage collecting fire and forget threads :( 10:53:11 <petern> i figured out what it does now 10:53:46 <petern> yeah 10:53:54 <petern> doesn't increase with the threading removied 10:53:56 <petern> removied! 10:54:48 <petern> what needs collection, though? :o 10:55:38 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: *Adios Amigos*] 10:56:17 <Rubidium> hmm, or detach the threads 10:56:22 <SmatZ> that unjoined thread can hardly leave 8MB :-x 10:56:30 <SmatZ> it is ~1,5kB for me... 10:57:07 <SmatZ> Rubidium: yesterday (or the day before yesterday?) you said detaching doesn't help 10:57:20 <SmatZ> though it's strange :) 10:57:26 <petern> give me a patch and i'll try it 10:57:33 <petern> it's fairly obviously reproducable for me :) 10:57:53 <Rubidium> SmatZ: it doesn't leave 8 MB 10:58:18 <Rubidium> it just doesn't tell the VM to release the stack region 10:59:11 <SmatZ> Rubidium: makes sense 10:59:55 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/thread.diff <- that might do the trick 11:00:04 <dihedral> why does it have to run in it's own thread? or am i getting something wrong? 11:00:23 <petern> dihedral: name resolution may hang the server, basically 11:00:27 <dihedral> ah 11:00:32 <petern> i think it's your fault 11:00:41 <dihedral> yes, i recall mentioning it :-P 11:00:42 <petern> bananas locking it up... 11:00:48 * petern applies the patch 11:00:57 <dihedral> don't hurt me! 11:01:23 <dihedral> but then - using bananas would also leak like hell 11:01:32 <petern> maybe it does! 11:01:55 <dihedral> btw, if you moved the 'masterserver' and 'bananas' hostname to the config 11:02:00 <dihedral> you could use an ip 11:02:17 <dihedral> and it could be changed if you ever got a new ip 11:02:19 <Rubidium> and then get people whining because that IP got changed? 11:02:20 <dihedral> or ip range 11:02:33 <dihedral> then you'd not get the lookup at least ^^ 11:02:45 <dihedral> and people could run their own region based masterserver 11:02:48 <petern> right 11:02:53 <petern> that works sort of 11:02:54 <dihedral> was just a wiled guess 11:02:58 <petern> it starts at 12MB 11:03:07 <petern> jumps to 20MB, but then stays there 11:03:30 <dihedral> eh.... does it do a lookup each time it wants to advertise? 11:03:34 <petern> yup 11:03:43 <dihedral> cache the lookup? 11:03:46 <petern> thing of long running servers... 11:03:58 <petern> why bother if this patch fixes it? 11:04:02 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-59.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 11:04:10 <dihedral> because it's unneeded overhead 11:04:20 <petern> a huge overhead 11:04:24 <petern> once every 15 minutes 11:04:26 <dihedral> overhead is overhead 11:04:29 <Rubidium> the first 8 MB bump can be the stack that gets allocated and then it gets recycled 11:04:43 <petern> Rubidium, yeah, that's what i was thinking 11:04:55 <Rubidium> dihedral: it's less overhead than the gazillion people whining their server isn't advertised anymore when we move the masterserver again 11:04:59 <petern> still at 20MB 11:05:16 <petern> so unless there are side affects, that fixes it 11:05:47 <dihedral> ok - cache the lookup for each game 11:05:52 <dihedral> i.e. newgame does a new lookup 11:06:02 <dihedral> then only the unmanaged game would not move to the new ms 11:06:13 <dihedral> or not be advertised 11:06:30 <Rubidium> no would e.g. openttdcoop 11:06:42 <Rubidium> nor would e.g. dihedrals autonightly 11:06:49 <dihedral> yes it would 11:06:53 <Rubidium> *until* a new game is loaded 11:06:58 <Rubidium> which might be 24 hours later 11:07:00 <dihedral> openttdcoop is restarted more than once during a game iirc 11:07:02 <Rubidium> or even more 11:07:12 <dihedral> my server restarts every 24h 11:07:25 <Rubidium> so it'd be 24 hours unadvertised 11:07:33 <dihedral> + there could be a console command to force emtpying the cached lookups 11:07:37 <petern> or 11:07:43 <dihedral> but i get your point 11:07:45 <petern> just apply this tiny patch 11:07:47 <dihedral> and ditch my though 11:07:48 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-128-242.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 11:07:59 <dihedral> *thought 11:08:24 <petern> hmm 11:08:34 <petern> i wonder how often ohloh checks mercurial repos 11:08:39 <Rubidium> or... add master.openttd.org to your hosts file and the lookup will be almost free 11:08:51 <dihedral> Rubidium, nice idea ^^ 11:09:52 <petern> we could hard code the IP! 11:09:57 <SmatZ> hehe 11:10:05 <petern> better yet 11:10:08 <petern> hard code the list of servers 11:10:12 <dihedral> LOL 11:10:16 <SmatZ> :o) 11:10:52 <dihedral> why does that thread need 8MB btw (just out of curiosity) 11:11:07 <Rubidium> $default-initial-stack-size 11:11:36 <dihedral> ah 11:12:21 <dihedral> btw - dns changes dont propagate that fast anyway, so you could cache the dns details in openttd for some time anyway :-D 11:12:23 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:12:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15663 /trunk/src/thread_pthread.cpp: -Fix: growing of vsize as (some) threads weren't properly released. 11:12:40 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:12:40 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 11:12:47 * dihedral looks forward to todays nightly 11:13:25 <SmatZ> does r15663 apply to win32 threads too? 11:13:49 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37D5C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:13:59 <Rubidium> no idea + have fun digging in Windows to find out 11:14:01 <petern> who knows 11:14:07 <petern> everyone expects windows to leak anyway :D 11:14:09 <SmatZ> ok :) 11:14:12 <SmatZ> hehe 11:14:39 <Rubidium> after all, what's 1 GB of vsize? After that you need to reboot windows anyways ;) 11:14:46 <dihedral> LOL 11:16:13 * dihedral hugs the devs 11:17:17 <SmatZ> :-) 11:18:36 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:23 * petern ponders trying to update pidgin to keep up with ICQ's client restrictions... 11:19:39 <petern> or just ditching icq finally :p 11:20:04 <petern> i have xmpp but nobody else does :o 11:25:12 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 11:31:28 *** ecke [~ecke@pc150-196.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 11:32:43 *** ecke [~ecke@pc150-196.upce.cz] has quit [] 11:32:56 <planetmaker> he :) good job :) 11:37:28 *** ecke [~ecke@pc150-196.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 11:39:53 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-59.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39:56 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:42:34 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.192] has joined #openttd 11:44:07 *** sailo [~simon@hyundai.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #openttd 11:45:29 <sailo> aloahee. Somehow, I cannot get the console anymore by pressing ^ twice, like I used to do earlier. using 0.6.3. Any ideas? I don't always want to go to the menu up there in the game... 11:47:34 <petern> it's always been ` 11:49:24 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:49:43 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:49:43 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 11:49:44 <sailo> well, for the german keyboard it was ^: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Console 11:49:45 <planetmaker> it's always been the key left of 1 11:49:48 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:50 <planetmaker> and it still is 11:49:54 <sailo> yes, that's the one it was. 11:50:14 <sailo> any ideas why it is not working in openttd anymore? I mean, it works otherwise: ^ ^ 11:50:24 <planetmaker> it works here. 11:50:31 <planetmaker> on German keyboard(s) 11:51:00 <sailo> ok, so why would it not work here? 11:51:07 <planetmaker> Maybe you have a funnily working caps lock key? 11:51:12 <dihedral> if i press the button twice, i dont get a console either, well i get it by pressing it once, and it dissapears magically again when i press the key a second time 11:51:17 <dihedral> caps lock? :-D 11:51:32 <Forked> planetmaker: or one of these: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/ae83/ :p 11:51:32 <dihedral> or you changed the keyboard layout? 11:51:34 <planetmaker> well. Configured such that it works on that key, too :) 11:51:49 <dihedral> i.e. pressed alt+shift on a windows system 11:53:02 <sailo> no, I tried several different keyboard layouts, nothing works. And I still have it: ^^ ^^ ;-) 11:53:33 <SmatZ> http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8396/ what key opens the console on this keyboard? 11:53:46 <petern> the ' ' key 11:54:06 <SmatZ> :o) 11:54:49 <petern> i'd totally have one of those if i could use flat keyboards these days 11:54:56 <sailo> no, also not the ' key or " key 11:55:44 <SmatZ> :-) 11:56:34 <[wito]> I have a german keyboard. ;D 11:56:39 <[wito]> Das Keyboard III ;D 11:57:02 * Forked hugs his G15 11:57:04 <Forked> one at home, one at work. 11:58:06 <petern> yeah, with the correct non-US layout 11:58:25 <petern> bit expensive though 11:59:28 <Forked> £65 for the one I have at home.. I got the job to pay for the one I use there.. and yes. Norwegian layout. V2 of the keyboard, so less G keys 11:59:30 <sailo> ok guys. Sorry I got it. It was the keyboard layout. Didn't see that I had keyboard layout specific to the windows. 11:59:39 <petern> the das keyboard, i mean 11:59:48 <petern> i wouldn't pay 15p for a logitech keyboard 11:59:51 <Forked> hah 12:02:36 <petern> heh, there are two versions of the G15 12:05:08 *** Timitry [~Tim@p5B37D5C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:48 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 12:05:56 <Forked> at least it's not called v2.0 :) 12:11:26 <planetmaker> Forked: now, that usb-"stick" is a nasty "feature" :P 12:12:13 <Forked> it has potential 12:27:37 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:12 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:19 *** sailo [~simon@hyundai.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:25 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:32:50 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 12:34:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 12:35:38 <taisteluorava> oh nice, 0.7.0 beta2 is now on site 12:37:59 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has joined #openttd 12:39:22 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:41:03 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-202.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:42:38 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:17 <Ammler> a OT question, how do I checkout a deleted branch from svn? 12:43:25 <Ammler> > svn -r 15000 list svn://svn.openttd.org/3rdparty 12:43:26 <Ammler> svn: File not found: revision 15663, path '/3rdparty' 12:44:00 <FauxFaux> That looks right, is that old enough? 12:44:04 <Rubidium> try adding @15000 to the url 12:44:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80F03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:44:30 *** Klanticus [~quassel@monowall.cisc.usp.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:33 <Ammler> Rubidium: yep, thanks :-) 12:45:50 <petern> hehe 12:45:53 <petern> nice 12:45:58 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B810DE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:46:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:46:09 <taisteluorava> which way is easiest to upgrade 0.7.0beta1 to beta2? 12:46:21 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:41 <taisteluorava> so i can keep my old setups and settings in config file 12:48:17 <Ammler> taisteluorava: the config is already stored in a other place then the binary. 12:49:20 *** sexten [~sexten@122.84-48-160.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 12:49:33 <taisteluorava> so i can just "overinstall" with beta 2 installer? 12:49:41 <petern> yes 12:50:17 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 12:50:31 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:52:33 <taisteluorava> did it and now keep getting error "no available language packs (invalid versions?) 12:52:47 <taisteluorava> i need change it to english in config file? 12:52:55 *** Brokkoli [~Brokkoli@e177136217.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:53:28 <Rubidium> how did you install the previous versions? 12:53:42 <Rubidium> and did you use the installer this time? 12:53:48 <taisteluorava> no, both time with installer 12:53:58 <taisteluorava> using finnish language 12:54:37 <taisteluorava> its not opening even with english 12:54:41 <taisteluorava> same error 12:54:41 <Rubidium> that error means that there is no language pack at all for the version you've installed 12:55:05 <Rubidium> is there a lang directory in my documents/openttd ? 12:55:22 <taisteluorava> no, its in openttd folder 12:57:30 <Rubidium> do a search for english.lng on your disks an see whether it shows up twice 12:57:33 <taisteluorava> i overinstalled 1 more time and it work now 12:57:41 <Rubidium> that's odd 12:57:51 <Rubidium> sounds like the installer got aborted for some strange reason 12:58:01 <taisteluorava> had game opened while first install was open, maybe for that ^^ 12:58:20 <Rubidium> *VERY* likely 12:58:25 <taisteluorava> forgot that i had game open ^^ 12:58:50 <Rubidium> Windows doesn't like to replace opened files 12:58:51 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.192] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 13:07:54 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:09:31 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.169.67] has joined #openttd 13:12:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.213.235] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:04 <petern> mmm, pepsi 13:16:12 <welshdragon> mmmmm 13:16:37 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:29:29 <AmixE90> Pepsi is great 13:29:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.169.67] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:34:42 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc154-232.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 13:35:25 <dihedral> :-) 13:36:39 <dihedral> <Ammler> [13:43:17] a OT question, how do I checkout a deleted branch from svn? <- also svn help [<sub-command>] might be helpful! 13:37:03 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:37:07 <glx> dihedral: use @rev 13:37:23 <dihedral> it's help to how find help, glx ;-) 13:37:32 <dihedral> not help to the specific question 13:37:40 <glx> yeah I read too quickly 13:37:44 <dihedral> ^^ 13:38:15 <petern> :D 13:38:19 <petern> yfgi 13:40:32 *** ecke [~ecke@pc150-196.upce.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:44 <dihedral> a-whoody? 13:41:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.169.67] has joined #openttd 13:42:15 <petern> typo :o 13:42:18 <petern> jfgi, heh 13:42:30 <petern> unfortunately, you can't say that to customers, for example 13:43:32 <petern> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=847240 13:43:33 <petern> hahaa 13:44:35 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.232.93] has joined #openttd 13:49:58 <taisteluorava> how i can load a game with server? 13:50:29 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:50:48 <taisteluorava> i tried command load (mypassword) C:\xxxxxx\xxx\xxxxx\OpenTTD\save\autosave\game1 but nothing happened 13:53:21 <dihedral> iirc you must be in the dir of the save game 13:53:29 <dihedral> or try appending the .sav 13:53:34 <dihedral> and if all fails 13:53:55 <dihedral> use the cd command and ls, find the number of the file you want to load and to a load <number> 13:55:29 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:55:29 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:32 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 13:58:22 *** Peter2 [~jack@dslb-082-083-214-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:35 <Peter2> sagt mal. in der linux amd64 version von ottd. wie komm ich da in die konsole? "^^" funzt bei mir iwie nicht 14:00:09 <Peter2> how can i p 14:00:38 <Peter2> how can i open the consol on a amd64 linux version of ottd? 14:00:50 <Peter2> "^^" does not work for me 14:01:29 <Belugas> have you tried the " ~ "? 14:01:50 <petern> ` 14:02:12 <Peter2> no that doesn't work 14:02:39 <glx> it's the key above tab 14:02:57 <Forked> | 14:03:06 <Rubidium> is there any window open that has an input field? 14:03:24 <Peter2> no 14:03:25 <Rubidium> like the chat window or the rename <whatever> window 14:04:37 <Peter2> no 14:05:58 <Rubidium> then I've got no idea as it works on my 64 bits machine 14:07:05 <Peter2> i just opend the console 14:07:19 <Peter2> by pressing ALT GR + ^ 14:07:24 <Peter2> wired 14:07:49 <petern> well 14:07:56 <petern> your solution is to use a proper keyboard layout ;) 14:08:27 <Peter2> i am using the defaut german keybord layout 14:08:32 <petern> exactly! 14:09:01 <Peter2> should i switch to a russian one? 14:11:46 <[wito]> what's the maximum noise for a city? 14:12:00 <[wito]> (wrt. airports) 14:12:19 <Belugas> it depends of the size of the city 14:13:03 <[wito]> that much I got 14:13:36 <Belugas> that much i can tell you 14:16:48 *** AmixE90 [~AmixE@ggsn-pool0x53-24.networknorway.no] has quit [Quit: La mour De Morph] 14:16:48 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:17 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:19:32 *** markk [~markk@shell.etttretresju.net] has joined #openttd 14:19:35 *** markk [~markk@shell.etttretresju.net] has quit [] 14:39:05 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:39:05 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:08 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 14:40:31 <Belugas> [wito] : return ((this->population / _settings_game.economy.town_noise_population[_settings_game.difficulty.town_council_tolerance]) + 3); 14:40:38 <Belugas> does that help you out? 14:41:06 <[wito]> very much, thank you 14:45:47 *** melwil [~melwil@carebox.online.ntnu.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:16 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-202.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 14:55:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15664 /trunk/src/fios.cpp: -Fix [FS#2716]: as always windows needs special handling when strings are involved 14:55:16 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051145232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:58:45 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179179016.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:45 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 15:14:00 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Quit: Ð£Ñ ÐŸÐ¶Ñ Ñ ÐŸÑ Ð²Ð°Ñ (xchat 2.4.5 ОлО ÑÑаÑÑе)] 15:35:49 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc154-232.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 15:37:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3d26.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:41:22 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:44 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:42:38 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng22-2-0-cust533.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:47:42 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 16:02:40 <Belugas> lunch time! 16:05:39 <Ammler> bon appetito 16:06:55 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet556.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:07:49 <planetmaker> enjoy :) 16:16:12 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:17:25 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:17:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:20:58 <glx> Ammler: -o 16:21:25 <Ammler> :-) 16:23:07 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24:41 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:25:06 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:28:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FD5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:45 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:00 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-202.fi.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 16:36:37 *** Fuco [dota.keys@wireless-202.fi.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 16:38:16 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:44:18 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 16:47:15 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggs-away 16:49:39 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 16:55:08 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.192] has joined #openttd 16:55:51 <|Japa|> http://pix.sparky-s.ie/images/b1xbej64614fo35q3p5k.jpg 16:55:53 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet556.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:56:12 <|Japa|> some people have no sense of scale 16:56:52 <Belugas> hem... 16:56:53 <[wito]> that's great 16:56:57 <[wito]> and disturbing 16:58:26 <|Japa|> would make a cool weapon, tho 16:58:37 <Belugas> ... 16:58:40 <|Japa|> or, if the aim is right, a great transportation 16:58:44 <|Japa|> :P 16:58:44 <Belugas> cool... weapon... 16:58:48 <Belugas> brrrrrrr 16:58:52 <Belugas> like... 16:59:01 <Belugas> cannot put them togueter in my mind... 16:59:08 <blathijs> What is it supposed to be anyway? 16:59:18 <Belugas> unless the said weapin was a flower... or a poem... 16:59:29 <welshdragon> looks like a maglev depot 16:59:32 <|Japa|> a guy on a furum I go to made the gun, and I'm trying to show him the whack scale 17:00:10 <[wito]> Belugas: what about a robot that vaporizes Nazis and rescues puppies and kittens from trees at the same time? 17:00:39 <energetic> it is actually a known serious design 17:00:54 <energetic> with quite a chance to actually being built! 17:01:19 <energetic> it consists of a maglev lane into the sky, skyrocketing out maglev trains 17:02:20 <energetic> maglev trains then will fly (using the gained upward power) to their destination, where a maglev lane "catches" the maglev train and breaks it untill speed=zero 17:03:10 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejj107.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 17:03:12 <energetic> so most power of the journey can be simply electrical energy 17:03:22 <petern> untillllllllllll 17:04:52 <[wito]> of course 17:05:09 <[wito]> a power outage at the receiving end would be quite catastrophical 17:06:01 <[wito]> SkyMagLev: Really Friggin Cool Transportation for the Brave and the Foolhardy! 17:06:19 <energetic> cant find direct links on the web 17:06:23 <energetic> wonder where I read it 17:06:46 <[wito]> Crazy-Ass Shit Online? :P 17:07:05 <energetic> the idea was to use the stratosphere, so you actually get somewhere on earth 17:07:16 <[wito]> but I've heard about a similar system for launching rockets 17:07:28 <[wito]> basically a jet-sled railway launcher 17:07:39 <energetic> if you needed to get on other side, you would need multiple stops (i though max 1-2) 17:07:47 <energetic> yup 17:08:38 <[wito]> mag-lev rocket launchers could potentially be quite safe and clean ways of launching sattelites into space 17:08:48 <energetic> yeah 17:09:04 <energetic> maglev has quite some future i think 17:09:17 <energetic> if more ppl would think so... 17:11:12 <planetmaker> the best weapon still is the human mind, an idea brought forward at the right time :)... 17:11:33 <|Japa|> I just wish dirigibles would be more popular 17:11:34 <planetmaker> [wito]: a maglev rocket launcher is not quite feasable... 17:12:11 <planetmaker> you might have read it - as it's a classical Jules Verne invention 17:14:12 <planetmaker> but it's anything but safe. 17:26:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host148-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:27:09 <Wolf01> hello 17:27:47 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:04 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:39 <petern> hmm 17:28:45 <petern> snd_seq_open() apparently leaks memory :( 17:33:05 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@e224212.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:38:20 <[wito]> bridgeheads can be either level or elevated; 17:38:24 <[wito]> why not do the same for tunnels? 17:38:37 <[wito]> (think SC2K-style subway <-> rail transitions) 17:39:27 <Burns> there should be a clear list in multiplayer serverlist menu, when selecting internet and clicking refresh then if you want to search for LAN games the list is still full with internet servers 17:40:45 <Wolf01> [wito], do you mean a tunnel with the entrance on a plain tile? 17:43:14 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:24 <[wito]> Wolf01: indeed 17:43:34 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:43:39 <[wito]> a tunnel where one entrance "swallows" the train into the ground 17:48:53 <Wolf01> but before that we need tunnels on diagonal slopes, one side will be terraformed, so you can build 2 parallel tunnels with an offset 17:49:34 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 17:50:57 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=37992 17:50:58 <Belugas> i vaguely remember celestar and i working/discussing that concept 17:51:03 <Belugas> conclusion: useless 17:51:20 <Belugas> dig a hole, put the tunnel there 17:51:21 <Belugas> boom 17:51:45 <Belugas> plus, no graphics to use for... 17:52:01 <Belugas> and devs are soooo.... good with graphics.. 17:52:12 <Belugas> apart skiddl13, but he's not around anymore 17:52:58 *** Yexo is now known as Guest403 17:52:58 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 17:53:41 *** Yeggs-away is now known as Yeggstry 17:53:46 <Wolf01> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=21377&hilit=tunnel <- half of the ideas in this topic are on trunk, I bet the other half might be possible in the nearest future 17:55:07 <Wolf01> (this is a 2005 topic, don't revive it please :P) 17:55:10 <Rubidium> sorry, but you've lost your bet ;) 17:55:34 <Rubidium> what was the nearest future when you said that is now already the past and it's still not implemented 17:56:15 <Wolf01> nearest as 1 day-to-6 months 17:56:27 *** Guest403 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:56:33 <Rubidium> then it certainly isn't nearest 17:57:02 <Rubidium> it could be near future though 17:57:47 <[wito]> tunnel through foundations, great stuff 17:58:38 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has left #openttd [] 17:59:43 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has joined #openttd 17:59:44 <[wito]> anyway 18:00:01 <[wito]> what do you all think of how to construct local parts of local-ICE networks? 18:00:10 <Wolf01> cbh and basetunnels are better, but until somebody (not me) codes a good implementation we might have some minor features like that 18:00:16 <[wito]> single-track spokes, shared track or dedicated 2-track spokes? 18:01:06 <Wolf01> dedicated 8 parallel tracks :P 18:01:28 <[wito]> :P 18:01:38 <Wolf01> "transform your map on a mainboard" 18:01:48 <planetmaker> Wolf01: are you sure that's sufficien capacity for those tracks? 18:03:48 *** Peter2 [~jack@dslb-082-083-214-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 18:03:57 <Wolf01> depends on the length, if a train can't do 20 travels at month you can always make 8x2 tracks and use more trains 18:06:13 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:28 *** KenjiE20 is now known as KenjiE20|SSH 18:09:07 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 18:09:50 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Channel Error +++] 18:10:02 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.232.93] has joined #openttd 18:11:12 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-8-231.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:15:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:15:58 *** Ammler is now known as NoHighlight 18:16:14 *** NoHighlight is now known as Ammler 18:16:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:19:10 *** KenjiE20|SSH [~KenjiE20@92.21.232.93] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6] 18:19:16 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:41 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:53 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:33:12 <Burns> how long does a crashed cerpelin lies at my airport? 18:33:23 <energetic> 3 months 18:33:25 <energetic> iirc 18:34:25 <|Japa|> what are disasters? 18:34:36 <Rubidium> 13320 ticks? 18:34:44 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:34:44 <|Japa|> something tells me they don't resemble the simcity ones 18:35:06 <Burns> i just got a cerpelin from nowhere crached at my airport for example :( 18:35:15 <Belugas> ho... you Are not aware? Openttd is not simcity 18:35:37 <frosch123> no, it is "tycoon something something" 18:36:44 <Belugas> or... something tycoon something :D 18:36:57 <Rubidium> so it stays about half a year 18:38:44 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 18:38:52 <Lakie> Transport Tycoon is about transport and not about making beautiful cities... 18:38:52 <Belugas> that long? i have totally forgotten 18:39:06 <Belugas> it's not?? 18:39:09 <Belugas> ho my GOD! 18:39:12 <NukeBuster> why doesn't the content manager list all the entries? I can view more grfs on bananas.openttd.org 18:39:12 <Belugas> ;) 18:39:44 <Rubidium> because those you can't see in OpenTTD aren't compatible with that version according to the author 18:39:56 <Lakie> ooo 18:40:00 <Lakie> Content manager? 18:40:44 <frosch123> BaNaNaS 18:40:51 <petern> hmm 18:41:10 <petern> did plane crashes ever get fixed for the reduced calls to the tick handler? 18:41:30 <Rubidium> prolly not 18:41:49 *** Dr_Jekyll [R4R@p57B0D22C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:41:50 <Lakie> Interesting, when did this come around orginally I thought there was a concenous against it due to copy right issues around grfs? 18:43:05 <Prof_Frink> The copyright owner has to put it on bananas in the first place 18:43:25 <Rubidium> instead of any random openttd binary redistributing it 18:43:34 <|Japa|> reason I ask is because difficulty options have a disaster setting 18:43:57 <Rubidium> |Japa|: check the wiki page about disasters 18:44:06 <|Japa|> ok 18:44:08 <|Japa|> !wiki 18:44:08 *** |Japa| was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 18:44:18 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.192] has joined #openttd 18:44:51 <energetic> !passwor no dont kick me 18:45:06 <Burns> haha, what stupid script is that to kick just beacause you say !something? 18:45:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-20-28-97.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:45:40 <Rubidium> !something 18:45:47 <glx> it indicates where to use the command 18:46:47 <Lakie> So basically, by having the original authors post them up, you can validate that they want it distribute through it and are willing to waver the copyright issues around that system distributing it to fans? 18:47:16 <Burns> be kind to the noobs, they are the ones that are going to play your game, hopefully... 18:47:24 <planetmaker> Lakie: they have to agree to the terms of servicew 18:47:30 <Lakie> I see. 18:47:34 <planetmaker> no one is forced to upload his/her grfs there. 18:47:40 <Rubidium> Lakie: they grant us to do so 18:47:46 <planetmaker> ^^ 18:47:50 <Lakie> Yeah. 18:47:53 <planetmaker> better wording :) 18:48:06 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0E572.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:09 <Lakie> How do you deal with people who upload others work? 18:48:16 <glx> Burns: noobs usually don't know !commands so they don't type them 18:48:22 <Rubidium> Lakie: ban + removal 18:48:26 <petern> no, it wasn't 18:48:31 <Lakie> Ok. 18:49:11 <planetmaker> check http://bananas.openttd.org 18:51:25 <Lakie> Oh, one last thing, it mentions an ingame client, does it check versions (like x only works with rR+) or was that unimplemented? 18:51:41 <Rubidium> yup 18:51:48 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021910]] 18:51:58 <Lakie> Neat 18:53:59 <planetmaker> yup, very :) 18:54:12 * Lakie reads up on the Wiki about it, 0.7 feature I'm assuming? 18:54:21 <planetmaker> yep 18:55:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15665 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: 18:55:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r8973): Handling of aircraft crash counter did not take account of the 18:55:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: reduced number of calls (from 6 down to 2) to the aircraft event handler, 18:55:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: resulting in crashed aircraft taking three times longer than they should to 18:55:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: clear. Compensate by increasing the counter by 3 on every call instead of 1. 18:55:04 *** db48x [~db48x@64.218.49.85] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo] 18:55:50 <planetmaker> wow. That's an old fix :) 9k revisions nearly 18:55:50 <Prof_Frink> Wrighty'll like that patch 18:55:51 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:56:27 <Rubidium> @calc 15665 - 8973 18:56:27 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 6692 18:56:34 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:57:15 <glx> planetmaker is very good at math ;) 18:57:33 <planetmaker> :P 18:57:43 <Rubidium> @base 10 9 6692 18:57:43 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 10155 18:57:51 <planetmaker> Astrophysicist do maths by orders of magnitude only :P 18:58:08 <planetmaker> the rest is observational error anyway :P 18:58:38 <planetmaker> @base 10 8 6692 18:58:40 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 15044 18:58:42 <planetmaker> hm... 18:59:05 <Rubidium> @base 11 10 6692 18:59:05 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 8813 18:59:12 <planetmaker> :) 18:59:15 <Rubidium> that's closest one can get I'd say ;) 18:59:16 * planetmaker hugs Rubidium 18:59:37 *** db48x [~db48x@64.218.49.85] has joined #openttd 18:59:53 <petern> heh 19:00:23 *** HansAffe [~piespy@rps4190.ovh.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:00:23 *** HansAffe [~piespy@rps4190.ovh.net] has joined #openttd 19:01:12 <Rubidium> hmm... that thing's still alive? 19:01:24 <Rubidium> petern: quickly highlight everyone ;) 19:02:31 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 19:02:35 <petern> @users 19:02:37 <petern> @nicks 19:02:37 <DorpsGek> petern: [sleep]buster, [wito], Aali, Ammler, Andel, apo_, Belugas, Bergee, blathijs, Born_Acorn, Brokkoli, Burns, canidae, ccfreak2k, CIA-1, const86, Cybertinus, DaleStan, Darkvater, DASPRiD, db48x, De_Ghosty, DephNet[Paul], dfox, dihedral, DorpsGek, Dr_Jekyll, edeca, elmex, energetic, eQualizer, FauxFaux, Felicitus, FloSoft, Forked, frosch123, Fuco, George, glx, goodger, Guest1044, guru3, HansAffe, helb, HerzogDeXtEr, (2 more messages) 19:02:40 <petern> @more 19:02:40 <DorpsGek> petern: jpm_, KenjiE20, KingJ, Lakie, lobster, lolman, lstor, M4rk, Maarten-, Mark, michi_cc, mikegrb, Mortomes, MrFrans, Mucht, murr4y_, neli, nfc, Noldo, NukeBuster, orudge, Osai, OwenS, petern, PierreW, planetmaker, prakti, Prof_Frink, Progman, racetrack, Rexxars, Ridayah_, Rubidium, Sacro, sexten, sigmund_, Sionide, SmatZ, smeding, snorre, SpBot, SpComb, SpComb^, Splex, stillunknown, strid, stuffcorpse, sunkan, (1 more message) 19:02:42 <petern> @more 19:02:42 <DorpsGek> petern: svip, taisteluorava, tapio, Tefad, TheMask96, thingwath, TinoDidriksen, tneo, tokai, tosse, totalwormage, TSC, valhalla1w, Vikthor, welshdragon, welterde, Wolf01, wolfy, XeryusTC, Yeggstry, Yexo, Zahl, |Japa|, and |Jeroen| 19:02:43 <petern> that one? 19:02:51 <petern> hmm 19:02:53 <Rubidium> yup ;) 19:03:00 <MrFrans> o.O 19:03:01 <Osai> grrr 19:03:01 <planetmaker> uhm.... ? :P 19:03:03 <KenjiE20> lol 19:03:03 <petern> when did we get heightmap and scenario support in bananas? 19:03:05 <goodger> GAH 19:03:08 <db48x> lol 19:03:12 * Mortomes stabs petern 19:03:15 <Lakie> Heh 19:03:16 <FauxFaux> Quick, respond! 19:03:16 <Osai> you highlight0rs 19:03:18 * Prof_Frink hugs petern 19:03:26 <Ammler> . 19:03:34 <Rubidium> petern: few days ago 19:03:38 * Lakie downloads x64 0.7 to try out Bananas 19:03:41 <petern> that was sneaky :D 19:03:53 *** wolfy is now known as Wolfensteijn 19:04:00 <glx> many real idlers 19:04:01 <petern> tip guys, if you get upset by a little highlight, don't bother idling without ever saying anything :p 19:04:11 <smeding> i talk! sometimes 19:04:12 <eQualizer> ? 19:04:13 <Wolfensteijn> I'm not upset ;) 19:04:17 <Prof_Frink> Didnae highlight me 19:04:37 <petern> Prof_Frink! 19:04:44 <Prof_Frink> That did. 19:04:44 <MrFrans> I don;t think anyone is upset, 19:04:54 <totalwormage> well i am! 19:05:09 * MrFrans stabs totalwormage 19:05:10 <petern> "grrr" "GAH" "*stabs*" "." :D 19:05:25 <totalwormage> ;] 19:05:38 <petern> oh there's a mars heightmap hmm 19:05:54 <petern> and a Wales and Westengland (wtf?) scenario... 19:05:55 <db48x> ooh, cool 19:06:20 <Ammler> I hope, nobody will license the scenario with ND 19:06:30 <petern> ND? 19:06:45 <Belugas> Whale? where? 19:06:48 <Ammler> no derviate or so = no playing ;-) 19:06:54 <planetmaker> Ammler: it's already too late 19:06:56 <frosch123> petern: and a hand-drawn usa scenario 2k x 2k oO 19:07:01 <planetmaker> Netherlands scenario is 19:07:06 <petern> wow, that'll be fun 19:07:16 *** lolman [~lolman@static-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:31 <petern> hehe with signs at the start which are off the screen 19:07:39 <petern> because people assume their centre is the same as everyone else's 19:10:50 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:11:08 <Darkvater> evil mass-hilite 19:11:12 <Yexo> Ammler: playing is fine, uploading the savegame is debatable 19:11:26 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:20 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.41] has joined #openttd 19:12:53 <petern> Darkvater <3 19:13:04 <Darkvater> :) 19:13:16 <Darkvater> you have awaken me from my slumber 19:13:35 <Ammler> is it possible to get rid of that apache error msg: [Tue Mar 10 20:10:28 2009] [error] [client 91.0.150.4] Not trusting file /home/ottdc/hg-repos/is2/.hg/hgrc from untrusted user ottdc, group ottdc 19:13:37 <Darkvater> fear for you do not know what you force you have unleashed upon this earth 19:13:43 <Ammler> if yes, how? 19:13:56 <petern> don't use apache :D 19:14:14 <Wolf01> [20:06:26] <Ammler> I hope, nobody will license the scenario with ND <- I was attracted from it, but at last I chose SA :P 19:14:19 <Darkvater> !seen truebrain 19:14:24 <Darkvater> @seen truebrain 19:14:24 <DorpsGek> Darkvater: truebrain was last seen in #openttd 20 hours, 31 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> I hope it pays money 19:14:31 <Darkvater> I hope so too 19:14:57 <Darkvater> hmm I wonder how I can make lighttpd hide certain files in a dir-listing 19:15:53 <Darkvater> ah; dir-listing.exclude 19:15:58 <Darkvater> cool 19:16:00 <Ammler> :-D thanks Yexo 19:16:08 <Wolf01> I don't know if I made a mistake... I think I selected 0.6.3 for the alpine scenario with freeform map edges 19:16:28 * Wolf01 browses the content manager 19:16:29 <petern> delete them :D 19:16:39 <Yexo> Wolf01: you can still change that 19:16:43 <Darkvater> stupid windows receratesdfsed thumbs.db :s 19:16:43 <Ammler> Wolf01: there is only one realy usable license on that list or 2, if you count the versions 19:17:33 <Wolf01> I think CC-BY-NC-SA for scenarios is the best 19:17:50 <Ammler> what is bad with GPL? 19:20:03 <Wolf01> scenarios are like pictures, like heightmaps are, so I think it is better the CC, as you don't need to provide the source code because there isn't source code, it is modifiable by the ingame editor, like a music or a photo 19:20:31 <db48x> yea, the GPL is a little odd for some kinds of information 19:20:48 <db48x> it's rather specific to computer programs 19:22:43 <Wolf01> ok, minimal version: nightly, i need to put rxxxx on the textbox or it does already assume the head revision? 19:24:35 <Yexo> you need to put some version there 19:24:49 <Yexo> I think without the r prefix 19:26:46 <Wolf01> I don't remember the exact rev of introduction for freeform map edges... I think I'll put something like 15000 19:27:17 <Wolf01> wow... we already passed 15000, we are near 20000 (let's do another party) :D 19:27:32 <petern> what version did you use to make the scenario? 19:27:47 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest409 19:27:49 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:02 <Yexo> Wolf01: r15190 19:28:03 <Wolf01> eh, do you think I can remember that? I update at least twice a week 19:28:24 <Yexo> but if you used a later version to create your scenario you need to fill in that value 19:29:02 <Wolf01> uhm... we should write the version on the scenario/savegame 19:29:49 <Wolf01> for sure I did the latest modification on 2008-01-24 19:29:58 *** smeding [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:40 <Aali> hmm 19:30:42 <Yexo> Wolf01: swamp reloaded was saved with r14172 19:30:56 <Aali> is hg.openttd.org known to be broken/down? 19:31:04 <Yexo> alphine reloaded with r15209 19:31:09 <Wolf01> good 19:31:13 <Yexo> Aali: works for me 19:31:35 <Aali> I get connection timed out for all my repos :/ 19:31:35 <Wolf01> how do you found that? 19:31:35 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [] 19:31:51 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 19:31:52 <Yexo> open the scenario and execute 'gamelog' in the console 19:31:56 <Wolf01> ah 19:31:57 <Aali> works again 19:31:57 <Aali> odd 19:32:00 <Wolf01> good to know 19:33:07 *** Guest409 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:34:02 <Wolf01> I can open the index of hg, but when I try to browse them I get things like http://hg.openttd.org/hg/openttd/trunk.hg/trunk.hg/trunk.hg/trunk.hg/trunk.hg/ 19:35:03 <Wolf01> the rss feed doesn't work, luckily there is CIA around 19:35:36 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:37:11 <Wolf01> db48x, I read about your patch on the forum, what do it does with the ctrl key? 19:37:57 <db48x> nothing quite yet 19:37:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:38:34 <db48x> I want to be able to use terraforming commands without having to separately bulldoze everything that's in the way 19:39:15 <Wolf01> really risky 19:39:18 <db48x> so if I need to raise some land, rather than first deleting the track, raising it, finding out that I didn't delete enough, deleting more track and then raising it again 19:39:34 <db48x> I would prefer that raising the land be able to do the necessary bulldozing automatically 19:39:45 <db48x> subject, of course, to the normal rules for bulldozing 19:39:54 <db48x> can't bulldoze industries, track with trains on it, etc 19:40:07 <db48x> but yes, it could be a risky thing to do 19:40:20 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:40:29 <db48x> so the patch that I've posted modifies the terraforming code so that it highlights all the squares where something is in the way, rather than just the first one 19:40:39 <Wolf01> think about raising a tile in the middle of a junction 19:40:49 <db48x> that way you can see exactly what will have to go before you actually do the tf 19:41:12 <db48x> if you subsequently do the tf with control (or whatever) held down, it goes ahead and bulldozes as needed 19:41:38 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:38 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 19:42:52 <db48x> Wolf01: http://db48x.net/temp/Narcotics,%20Inc.,%2028th%20Oct%202268.png 19:44:16 <petern> you could've moved the error box first :D 19:44:25 <Wolf01> I think that's enough, I don't feel useful the other piece you want, but it's your patch so go ahead (but I suggest you to keep the two pieces separate) 19:44:32 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 19:45:14 <db48x> yea, planetmaker also suggested keeping the two halves separate 19:45:25 <db48x> petern: error box? 19:46:20 <Wolf01> the red popup which is under the chat messages 19:46:31 <db48x> ah 19:47:38 *** apexgaming [apexgaming@e177235101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:47:46 <apexgaming> hey suP? 19:47:46 <db48x> http://db48x.net/temp/Narcotics,%20Inc.,%206th%20Nov%202268.png 19:47:48 <db48x> :) 19:48:33 <apexgaming> that looks boring 19:48:38 * Belugas yawns and watches the clock go ont tick after the other 19:49:42 *** apexgaming [apexgaming@e177235101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 19:51:20 <db48x> http://db48x.net/temp/Narcotics,%20Inc.,%2018th%20Nov%202268.png 19:52:14 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [] 19:52:29 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 19:57:11 <db48x> hmm 19:57:14 <db48x> tunnels are tricky 19:58:51 <Yexo> I like the sign in that screenshot: "Fixed desyncs /Bennythen00b" 19:59:00 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 19:59:48 <Aali> because you think they are the gamestate kind of desyncs? 20:00:17 <Yexo> that was indeed the first thing I thought of when reading it 20:01:12 <Aali> would be nice if you could fix those by rearranging some track :P 20:02:34 <db48x> that would be pretty cool 20:03:12 <Aali> I guess sometimes you can fix them by doing just that, atleast temporarily ;) 20:07:48 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@80.247.163.137] has left #openttd [] 20:12:19 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:31 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@e224212.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:35 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:39 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:20:07 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:25:14 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 20:26:37 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet556.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:27:46 *** smeding [~smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:31 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 20:33:21 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:35:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.169.67] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:35:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.169.67] has joined #openttd 20:41:23 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:27 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/pm/patches/translator.png <-- the links below, which are my name and the revision return errors 20:41:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-19-218.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:41:37 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:41:49 <planetmaker> I also wonder when those links show up - most other strings don't have that "feature" - even though I last changed them. 20:45:39 <planetmaker> oh... well, the image is a screenshot from translator2.openttd.org :) 20:46:03 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-9-162.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: no. just, no.] 20:46:19 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 20:46:22 <petern> hmm? 20:46:25 <petern> heh 20:46:29 <petern> so that's what it looks like :p 20:47:48 <Rubidium> planetmaker: see it as a misfeature ;) 20:50:36 *** JapaMala [~Japa@117.201.96.210] has joined #openttd 20:53:29 *** Ungl`ch`chlchlwr` [Anki@adsl-193-146.eunet.yu] has joined #openttd 20:54:01 *** [sleep]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:54:11 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 20:55:51 <Ungl`ch`chlchlwr`> hey is there a way for any kind of team play in 0.6.3 openTTD? 20:56:11 <Belugas> hem... 20:56:19 <Belugas> i would guess so... 20:56:21 <frosch123> sure, you can join the same company 20:56:48 <Ungl`ch`chlchlwr`> but then you spend the same cash,right? 20:57:04 <frosch123> yes 20:57:09 <Ungl`ch`chlchlwr`> damn 20:57:09 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.97.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:09 *** JapaMala is now known as |Japa| 20:57:44 <Ungl`ch`chlchlwr`> oh well,tnx anyway 20:58:01 <Belugas> Ungl`ch`chlchlwr`, or you simply make it so that two companies are leagued togueter 20:58:09 <Belugas> but you wont share the tracks nor the cash 20:58:11 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:19 <Ungl`ch`chlchlwr`> hmmm?tell me more :D 20:58:42 <Belugas> well... tell a buddy... "hey man, want to work with me?" 20:58:48 <frosch123> maybe you are looking for "infrastructure sharing", but that is not part of 0.6.3 nor any other offical version 20:58:57 <Belugas> if so, you're in business :) 20:59:03 <Ungl`ch`chlchlwr`> lol 21:01:53 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:40 <planetmaker> Rubidium: ok, thx 21:05:45 <planetmaker> I just wondered 21:06:41 <Rubidium> I kinda broke the history feature a while back, though it fixed some outrageous memory wastage 21:06:54 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:06:58 <planetmaker> he :) 21:07:07 <Rubidium> and now only new strings get history again 21:08:16 <planetmaker> Strings introduced new since then? 21:09:06 <Rubidium> yup 21:09:22 <planetmaker> interesting :) 21:09:43 <planetmaker> I just wondered - it's interesting to see the history, but definitely nothing necessary 21:10:19 <planetmaker> but then: the history doesn't work, at least the windows opened have xml(?) error. Need to check for the exact error again 21:11:50 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.41] has joined #openttd 21:12:49 <planetmaker> Just for completeness sake: Error loading stylesheet: An XSLT stylesheet does not have an XML mimetype:http://translator2.openttd.org/styles/xslt/revisiondata.xslt 21:13:13 <planetmaker> that's what the pop-up windows contain. 21:14:47 *** Ungl`ch`chlchlwr` [Anki@adsl-193-146.eunet.yu] has quit [] 21:17:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15666 /trunk/src/ (build_vehicle_gui.cpp engine_func.h engine_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#2689]: sorting of engines in the purchase list didn't use the same numbers as the GUI showed, e.g. articulated parts weren't taken into accound when ordering by capacity. 21:23:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3d26.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:56 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:44 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-229-118.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:33:39 <[wito]> I think there's something wrong with Terragen when using freeform edges 21:33:45 <[wito]> all the maps have bad Chi 21:33:56 <[wito]> They don't jive with my Feng-Shui 21:34:01 <[wito]> Anyone else have this problem? 21:34:07 <Yexo> Chi? Feng-Shui? 21:34:23 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-19-218.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:24 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 21:34:47 <Yexo> [wito]: sorry, but I have no idea what you just said 21:35:03 *** tkjacobsen_ [~tkjacobse@fw-inet.nru.dk] has joined #openttd 21:35:23 <[wito]> Yexo: it's an ineffable feeling of 'uglyness', if you will 21:35:32 <[wito]> it's a bit hard to explain. :P 21:35:48 <Yexo> it's an ineffable feeling of 'uglyness' <- I can understand that at least :) 21:35:58 <planetmaker> then make it nice and present your idea on how to fix it :P 21:36:44 <[wito]> terragen is a fractal terrain generator, ya? 21:37:42 <Yexo> no, it makes use of perlin noise 21:38:42 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:55 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:43:24 <taisteluorava> how i can get that toolbar which is top of picture, now i got old and ugly 1 :) http://db48x.net/temp/Narcotics,%20Inc.,%2018th%20Nov%202268.png 21:44:35 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng22-2-0-cust533.15-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:44:39 <Aali> and now you want the new and ugly one? 21:45:00 <taisteluorava> that is not my screenshot 21:45:09 <taisteluorava> i like toolbar like in that picture 21:45:14 <taisteluorava> oh, "i want 21:45:15 <Aali> I don't 21:46:32 <Yexo> taisteluorava: find out what newgrf was in use at the time the screenshot was taken, and download it 21:48:03 <[wito]> Is it possible to reach a station rating of 100%? 21:48:09 <Rubidium> yes 21:50:33 <energetic> now try transporting 100% of an industr ;) 21:50:55 *** tkjacobsen__ [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 21:52:15 <planetmaker> :) 21:52:16 *** tkjacobsen_ [~tkjacobse@fw-inet.nru.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:52 *** Muxy [~Muxy@smtp.bdelalande.net] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 21:55:25 <db48x> taisteluorava: it's a replacement graphic 21:55:26 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 21:55:31 <db48x> taisteluorava: see the wiki 21:56:22 *** athanasios [~chatzilla@ppp079166065158.dsl.hol.gr] has joined #openttd 21:57:11 <db48x> Yexo: Perlin noise is a kind of fractal 21:57:14 <db48x> it's scale-independant 21:57:42 <db48x> it's just not very pretty, like a mandelbrot set 21:58:12 <Yexo> db48x: I wasn't aware of that, thanks for explaining 21:58:14 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:18 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:58:23 <Yexo> [wito]: ^^ 21:58:25 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051145232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:59:59 <db48x> it's also random, rather than merely chaotic 22:00:43 <glx> taisteluorava: looks like 32bpp 22:02:47 <db48x> yea, I'm using some of the 32bpp replacement graphics 22:03:35 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:52 <[wito]> db48x: it also seems to have bad Chi 22:04:53 <db48x> well, it's random 22:05:06 <db48x> random numbers rarely come up in a nice orderly way 22:05:23 <db48x> you need a sort of un-Chi 22:05:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051145232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:28 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 22:05:35 <db48x> a Chi of unorderly things 22:05:47 <db48x> a sort of Mu for the spatial arrangement of objects 22:06:29 <db48x> perhaps that's what the western approach already is? 22:06:36 <db48x> I'm not an expert 22:06:36 <[wito]> perhaps 22:06:44 *** racetrack [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has joined #openttd 22:06:47 <[wito]> That would be one hell of a patch, tho' 22:06:49 <[wito]> ChiTerraGen. :P 22:08:10 <db48x> heh 22:08:33 <db48x> I think that there's a lot of room for improvement in both map generators 22:08:37 <[wito]> Indeed 22:08:44 <db48x> merely using perlin noise doesn't always result in good maps 22:08:56 <db48x> they have a tendency to be very bland 22:13:14 <SpComb> genetic map algorithm 22:14:40 <athanasios> wikipedia mentions wavelet noise. Can that be of any benefit? 22:15:13 <athanasios> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavelet_noise 22:17:57 <db48x> not really 22:18:24 <db48x> wavelet noise was designed to counter a limitation that you see when you use 3d perlin noise to create a 2d texture that gets wrapped around a 3d surface 22:18:37 <db48x> we're just using 2d perlin noise to create a hieght map 22:19:14 <athanasios> any other alternative? 22:21:49 <db48x> the solution to the perlin-noise blandness problem is simply to not do the same thing every time 22:22:16 <db48x> choose the octaves that you include in a more random fashion 22:22:31 <db48x> so rather than always using N octaves of noise, sometimes leave out an octave in the middle 22:22:41 <db48x> that or add an extra octave out past the end 22:22:45 *** Maarten- [~dutchusa@cpe-67-49-65-115.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:22:49 <db48x> that gives the maps a different character 22:26:04 <planetmaker> [23:06] <[wito]> That would be one hell of a patch, tho' <-- it would be easy in that sense, that it is "just" a 3rd replacement for the terrain generator. E.g. you don't have too many interconnection, especially modification, of existing code. 22:27:01 <athanasios> does it worth the effort? 22:27:52 <db48x> yea, any patch that adds more variety to the maps seems like it would be worth the effort 22:28:04 <[wito]> planetmaker: well, actually the patch itself isn't such a biggie 22:28:25 <[wito]> but writing a terrain generator that (reliably) produces maps with good Chi 22:28:28 <[wito]> now there! 22:28:32 <[wito]> There you have a CHALLENGE! 22:28:46 <planetmaker> I have sufficient. Thank you :P 22:32:01 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 22:32:15 <athanasios> Actually the problem with current generator is in the larger maps. It will be an issue if extra large maps hit trunk. But I suppose this will not be soon. 22:32:46 <db48x> perhaps larger maps need an extra octave or so of low-frequency noise 22:33:28 <Yexo> athanasios: as has been said before: nobody has shown full 2048x2048 savegame, so why allow even bigger maps? 22:34:08 <athanasios> that is why I said that it will not be soon... 22:34:20 <athanasios> I do not need bigger maps either. 22:34:22 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/good_chi.diff <- reliably makes TGP maps with good chi 22:35:18 <db48x> haha 22:35:19 <planetmaker> lool @ Rubidium :) 22:36:13 <Yexo> :) 22:36:48 <athanasios> :-) 22:38:58 *** tkjacobsen__ [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:09 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:39:19 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:44:08 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 22:44:41 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 22:45:46 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:33 <db48x> Rubidium: hey, got a minute to take a look at another patch of mine? 22:48:02 <db48x> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=107395 22:54:54 <Wolf01> 'notte 22:54:59 <Wolf01> 'night 22:55:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host148-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:01:43 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:02:10 <DASPRiD> planetmaker, warum wedelt der hund mit dem schwanz? -- weil der hund schlauer ist, als der schwanz. wÀre der schwanz schlauer als der hund, wÃŒrder er mit dem hund wedeln. 23:10:35 *** sailo [~simon@hyundai.csn.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #openttd 23:11:39 <sailo> hey, I just discovered something new: I cannot build a bus station in a town, it says the street is local property of the community or something like that. What is that? 23:12:05 <sailo> (german: straÃe ist in kommunaler trÀgerschaft) 23:17:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15667 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r15601)[FS#2718]: It was possible to remove rail tunnels/bridges and aqueducts build by rival companies. 23:18:23 <Yexo> sailo: go to Advanced Settings->Stations and enable "Allow drive-through road stops on town owned roads" 23:23:34 <sailo> ah okay. it is disabled from the server. thanks. 23:25:04 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.41] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:42 *** lurobep [~lurobep@193.43.249.169] has joined #openttd 23:33:26 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.41] has joined #openttd 23:43:17 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:51:50 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host86-160-63-111.range86-160.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53:15 *** haclet [~haclet@79-69-255-6.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 23:54:11 <haclet> hi 23:54:23 <haclet> I have a problem with compilation OpenTTD 23:54:27 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:36 <Yexo> haclet: what OS/compiler are you using? 23:55:07 <haclet> I am supprise because I didn't have that problem before (since more then one year) am successfully compiled it on Suse/10.2 (linux) g++ 23:55:34 <haclet> These are following errors: 23:55:43 <haclet> openttd/src/console_cmds.cpp: In function âbool ConLoad(byte, char**)â: 23:55:45 <Yexo> and what is the error message you get? (please post to paste.openttd.org if it's long) 23:55:50 <haclet> openttd/src/console_cmds.cpp:252: error: â_switch_modeâ was not declared in this scope 23:55:59 <haclet> ok - one moment 23:56:04 <Yexo> not needed anymore 23:56:27 <Rubidium> sounds like makedepend not doing it's job 23:56:35 <haclet> I know that is something missing, the question what :) 23:56:36 <Yexo> haclet: try make clean && make 23:56:47 <haclet> ok - give me 1 min :) 23:58:45 <haclet> Nope - the same on console_cmds.cpp 23:59:27 <haclet> I noticed that a few days ago. I regullary run svnupdate - and always was OK. 23:59:31 <Yexo> what version are you trying to compile? 23:59:38 *** racetrack [~rob@lena.its.monash.edu.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:59:38 <haclet> the last from subversion