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Log for #openttd on 18th March 2009:
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00:02:29  <emjay88> yeah it is
00:03:10  <emjay88> so in the help for grfcodec where it says the palette option (-p) is to use a different palette to the default...
00:03:26  <emjay88> is the default the one in the grf file or is it the same as -p 1
00:04:11  <Rubidium> the GRF doesn't store the palette
00:04:27  <emjay88> right, the obg is for building the grf right?
00:04:45  <emjay88> or is it just used by openttd?
00:05:15  <Rubidium> it's used by OpenTTD to find the base graphics
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00:07:15  <emjay88> is the wiki page up to day?
00:07:18  <emjay88> date*
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00:08:05  <Rubidium> can't answer that; I guess you need to ask someone that is actually involved in that project
00:08:28  <emjay88> ok cool
00:09:12  <emjay88> last question for now: do black regions in the pcx files mean something special? (i assume it's transparent or something?)
00:09:34  <Rubidium> the blue is transparent
00:10:51  <emjay88> so black means nothing?
00:11:10  <Rubidium> black is just a placeholder so it doesn't cause glitches in OpenTTD
00:11:39  <Rubidium> you can see those black boxes when you start openttd with OpenGFX as base graphics set in the main menu
00:12:28  <emjay88> No i mean the black areas in the original graphics (trg1r is what I'm looking at now) they seem to be silhouettes of buildings?
00:15:09  <Rubidium> it should be blue as in http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=99910
00:15:27  <Rubidium> if it's really black then you've probably used the wrong palette
00:16:04  <Bjarni> <SmatZ> [22:43:21] <Bjarni> el_en: pisst.... Ottawa <== frosch123 was right about "hours spent googling" :-D <--- I don't need google for that. Besides it's kind of hard to answer right away when I'm not at the computer
00:17:21  <emjay88> No the background is blue like that
00:17:46  <emjay88> hmmm, if you can, have a look at 4438 in trg1r.pcx
00:17:49  <Rubidium> oh, those black areas
00:18:09  <Rubidium> press x while in game to toggle the transparency and you'll see
00:18:48  <emjay88> sadly, I'm at work now so I can't but I'll have a go when I get home :)
00:20:13  <Rubidium> a building is build with (at least) two sprites. One is the ground sprite which has those black places where the 'building' sprite is shown
00:21:48  <emjay88> ok, so the black places are sort of placeholders?
00:22:30  <Rubidium> yes, to make the buildings not glitchy when transparent
00:23:00  <Rubidium> the sprites containing the black are also the parts that are not made transparent
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00:23:31  <emjay88> ok, so parts of the building that are covering black areas stay visible when transparency is turned on
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00:28:41  <Rubidium> no, the sprites with the black areas don't get transparent. Whatever covers those sprites get transparent
00:29:40  <Brokkoli> isn't the whole "upper" sprite transparent?
00:30:23  <Brokkoli> the buildingbasesprite unchanged and the buildingsprite transparent?
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00:31:01  <emjay88> ok, I see
00:33:08  <Brokkoli> so it's not required to be black, but looks a bit better, when the buildings are transparent
00:33:40  <emjay88> ahhh
00:38:06  <emjay88> do my new graphics have to fit within a same-size box as the originals?
00:40:19  <Sacro> hmm, what anti-virus do I use...
00:41:28  <Rubidium> emjay88: as long as they aren't wider than a tile you can do basically everything
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00:44:47  <emjay88> ok, so height is not a problem, but the width is restricted
00:44:48  <emjay88> ?
00:45:21  <Brokkoli> yes
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00:45:41  <Brokkoli> i think height is restricted somewhere, too
00:46:14  <Brokkoli> but i don't know about the limits
00:46:53  <Rubidium> the height is restricted somewhere, but reaching that limit means that your building is really incredibly high
00:47:14  <emjay88> Ok, so Ill try to fit it in the original box, and if I need to go up a bit it'll be ok
00:47:20  <Brokkoli> yes
00:47:28  <emjay88> cool, no sweat :)
00:47:33  <emjay88> thanks for your help guys
00:51:55  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15757 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix/hackaround (r15314): of course on some system searching a font using its english name fails. So now we search the font using the localised name and use the english name for the final 'validation' only.
00:55:23  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15758 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix (r15757): win9x compilation
00:57:55  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15759 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (openttdgui.nfo openttdgui.pcx): [OTTD_GRF] -Add: sprite for resizing to the left (for better RTL support)
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01:07:00  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15760 /trunk/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange [FS#2704]: support that the resize box is at the left side of the window too (based on work by Alberth)
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01:27:20  <welshdragon> if i give a tram 2 orders will it call at all stations in between?
01:27:45  <Zuu> If you make sure you don't have "non-stop" in its orders.
01:28:05  <welshdragon> oh good
01:28:12  <welshdragon> thans zuu
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03:00:50  <emjay88> does anyone here use blender in ubuntu?
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05:06:21  <Forked> morning
05:21:26  <emjay88> afternoon :P
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05:28:33  <emjay88> anyone know how to set palettes in GIMP?
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05:49:52  <Rubidium> colours->map->set colourmap?
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05:54:22  <emjay88> ahh thanks
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06:28:03  <dih> mornings
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06:32:57  <petern> several of them
07:10:06  <Forked> boioioing..
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08:23:38  <Timitry> Morning
08:26:15  <Timitry> Hehe, our friend Alain encountered  a new problem, again
08:26:21  <Timitry> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=773885#p773885
08:26:51  <Timitry> I'm still surprised how far he gets with his approach...
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08:36:32  <dih> ban ^^
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08:56:49  <Timitry> Man... I can't get the 32bpp-graphics to work...
08:57:18  <Timitry> 1. Downloaded graphics and put them somewhere in my /data - folder, e.g. the NoZoom-Megapack and the new Traindepot
08:57:42  <Timitry> 2. In the config, i added blitter = "32bpp-simple"
08:57:55  <Timitry> 3. And tried changing sprite_cache_size to 64
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09:00:31  <Timitry> Well, in fact, i added blitter = 32bpp_simple, but the game changed it to blitter = "32bpp-simple"
09:01:06  <Timitry> Both under [misc], using a clean r15595 and no NewGRFs
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09:13:01  <petern> do you have dos or windows original graphics?
09:13:21  <petern> (although i don't know if that matters any more)
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09:33:46  <HerzogDeXtEr> Discussion of realism is now a quietable offence  :D
09:33:50  <HerzogDeXtEr> nice
09:34:17  <HerzogDeXtEr> openttd and realism, i hate ppl that need realism in games ;)
09:37:33  <Timitry> Got the windows-graphics, both the original and the opengfx ones
09:37:45  <Timitry> The Game uses the Original ones...
09:38:23  <Timitry> I tried deleting my openttd.cfg, and then changing the blitter in the new one again... No effect
09:38:46  <Rubidium> Timitry: try selecting the opengfx one in e.g. the game options
09:39:03  <Rubidium> in the main menu
09:39:18  <Timitry> I copied the 32bpp-files in both my games/openttd/data and the userdata/openttd/data folder
09:39:46  <Timitry> Rubidium: Changing them works, but still no 32bpp-graphics are shown
09:39:50  <petern> files? it's only one file
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09:41:21  <Timitry> aha...
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09:42:05  <Timitry> okay, my bad...
09:42:15  <Timitry> like you already guessed anyway :D
09:43:01  <petern> Rubidium, are you aware of any plans for supporting multiple (hahaha) 32bpp base replacement sets?
09:43:25  <petern> for individual newgrfs it's simple, of course
09:43:31  <petern> well, fairly
09:43:48  <Rubidium> no, and should I?
09:44:00  <Rubidium> let there first be one ;)
09:44:21  <petern> just asking a simple question... no need to read anything more into it :p
09:45:09  <Rubidium> or more like half
09:46:40  <petern> well
09:47:09  <petern> i've done 9 sprites so far ;)
09:48:03  <Rubidium> so only 499 promille to go till you've reached half of the sprites ;)
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10:26:22  <Timitry> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=773885#p773885 Just curious... Was my advice at least a little bit right? :)
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10:53:12  <Rubidium> Timitry: by the looks of it it wasn't
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11:54:44  <dihedral> @seen energetic
11:54:44  <DorpsGek> dihedral: energetic was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 14 hours, 35 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <energetic> in openttd code, does performance has prio over readability?
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12:16:14  <Mark> Will path based signals be in 0.7.*?
12:21:45  <dihedral> ??
12:21:58  <dihedral> they already are
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12:33:00  <petern> last minute removal!
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12:36:44  <dihedral> hehe ^^
12:37:50  <Mark> dihedral: Okay. :)
12:37:53  <dihedral> by the way
12:38:09  <Timitry> How do i checkout the 07.rc1
12:38:10  <Timitry> ?
12:38:19  <dihedral> why were the "'setting' change to    <new value>" console print outs removed
12:38:26  <dihedral> it's been gone for a long time
12:38:49  <Mark> I'm only using a nightly and hav'nt tried 0.7.* yet, therefore the question. :)
12:38:53  <dihedral> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.7.0-rc1 i'd assume
12:39:06  <Timitry> okay, will try that, thanks
12:39:16  <dihedral> svn co svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.7.0-RC1
12:39:35  <dihedral> Mark, which nightly are you using?
12:43:31  <Mark> Oh, kindaÀ old
12:43:35  <Mark> kinda'*
12:43:42  <Mark> r14782
12:43:43  <Mark> :)
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13:08:34  <pavel1269> hi
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13:28:35  <Aygar> Hey, are there any developers here?
13:29:06  <Aygar> I have question about where a patch would be welcomed.
13:29:24  <Aygar> *where -> whether
13:30:12  <pavel1269> forums?
13:30:17  <Rubidium> no, there're no developers in Japan ;)
13:30:19  <pavel1269> see if ppl like it .... FS?
13:30:24  <Rubidium> there was one a year ago though ;)
13:30:50  <Belugas> people
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13:31:05  <Rubidium> mostly people with ops or voice here are the developers
13:31:07  <Belugas> pr maybe you meant pretty please?
13:32:35  <Aygar> Its a patch that adds NOR pre- and combo- signals.
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13:32:57  <dihedral> lol Belugas
13:32:58  <dihedral> :-)
13:33:26  <dihedral> yet another bunch of signals
13:33:39  <Aygar> I looked in the forumns but couldn't find if there was any views one way or another about adding signals
13:33:40  <Rubidium> NOR = red when all exit signals are green?
13:33:58  <Aygar> yes,
13:34:01  <dihedral> makes sense.....?
13:34:27  <[wito]> dihedral: sure it does
13:34:28  <Aygar> Red when train in block or any exit signal is green
13:34:46  <Aygar> Green only when all exit signals are red
13:35:02  <dihedral> means you need to mangle with other signal type
13:35:02  <Aygar> and no train in block
13:35:04  <[wito]> so used for load balancing then?
13:35:30  <Aygar> yes, mostly
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13:36:15  <Aygar> example would be the compressor structure for opentddcoop PSG 131
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13:36:53  <Aali> and now that you've mentioned ottdcoop, there's no chance in hell for this to happen
13:37:07  <Aygar> but using signals instead of trains in external rail loops
13:37:49  <Aygar> Ah, I see
13:38:03  <Rubidium> guess you rather want programmable signals
13:38:41  <Aygar> That would be the ideal solution.  How ever looking at the code it would take major revisions to make that happen
13:39:42  <Rubidium> better do it right the first time then ending up with 20 signals types and 1 programmable signal type that covers 15 of those signal types
13:40:33  <Aygar> At most you would end up with 6 additional signals.  AND NAND NOR.
13:40:53  <Aygar> pre-signal and combo-signal variants
13:41:16  <Rubidium> then you think of NOT
13:41:25  <Rubidium> and XOR
13:41:28  <Rubidium> and NXOR
13:41:36  <Aygar> thats a NOR with only one input
13:42:08  <[wito]> heh
13:42:26  <Aali> what about the infinite loop issue?
13:42:33  <[wito]> With programmable signals, you could probably build a turing machine in OpenTTD
13:42:42  <Aygar> Really from a logic point of view you only need a NOR or a NAND
13:42:53  <Noldo> [wito]: there are quite interesting structures already
13:42:56  <Rubidium> ssh... ottdcoop's computers are fast enough to cope with infinite loops
13:43:41  <Aygar> Aali: thats refered to as an ocilator.   Its a feature not a bug.
13:43:44  <Aygar> :)
13:44:06  <Aali> "ok"
13:44:28  <Rubidium> "not ok"
13:44:47  <Aali> have you tested this patch of yours?
13:44:56  <dihedral> Rubidium, hehe :-P
13:44:57  <Aygar> Some what
13:45:24  <Rubidium> has anyone with knowledge of the signalling system reviewed your patch?
13:45:28  <Aali> you'll see that the infinite loop I'm talking about isn't quite what you would want, ever
13:45:43  <dihedral> Rubidium, nope, he came here for that ;-)
13:46:02  <dihedral> first time he's here, first time he's talking to 'a' dev
13:46:22  <Timitry> Is there a way to save all the warnings MinGW/MSys gives me while compiling to a .txt file or something like that?
13:46:36  <Rubidium> Timitry: >
13:46:39  <Aygar> mainly I am testing the waters to see what the reception for something like it would be before investing large amounts of time in it only to have it shot down with 'we don't accept patches of that sort'
13:47:20  <Timitry> > warning.txt ?
13:47:21  <Forked> Rubidium: just warnings/errors is "2>" isn't it?
13:47:29  <glx> 2> indeed
13:47:37  <glx> better is > log 2>&1
13:47:37  <Noldo> bug fixes are the way to go if you want your name on the svn log
13:47:48  <[wito]> Aygar: a patch doesn't need to go in trunk to be successful
13:48:09  <Timitry> So, do i need that command to the make command, or to ./configure, or can i do it afterwards=?
13:48:11  <[wito]> personally I loves me my cargodest
13:48:23  <[wito]> but that's not in trunk (yet [pokes Rubidium])
13:48:24  <Rubidium> and the lower flyspray id of the bug you fix, the higher the chances you become a developer ;)
13:48:30  <glx> Timitry: make >log 2>&1
13:48:51  <glx> (don't use -j when you redirect output ;) )
13:48:56  <Timitry> just that, or do i need to specify the name of the output file?
13:49:08  <glx> log is the filename
13:49:11  <Aygar> Aali: I was trying (failing) to make a joke.  So would an example be a NOR signal that loops back on to another NOR signal?
13:49:54  <Rubidium> looping back on itself is more interesting
13:50:55  <Rubidium> what colour will it be?
13:51:44  <Aygar> good question
13:51:53  <[wito]> It's a paradox
13:52:22  <[wito]> But any signal looping back on itself is an error, and should be permanently red, irrespective of it's internal mechanisms
13:52:40  <[wito]> two NOR signals looping on each other is much more interesting
13:53:36  <Aygar> Rubidium: it would be the colour of problem.
13:54:54  <Timitry> "make >log 2>&1" doesn't do anything, the log just tells me "nothing to be done here"
13:55:02  <Aygar> I now see what Aali is referring to
13:55:12  <Timitry> ah no, sorry
13:55:57  <Timitry> Seems like it does work :)
13:56:20  <Aygar> So back to the programming wall with me.
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14:01:19  <petern> hhurrrr
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14:14:55  <Timitry> the css validator on the mainpage openttd.org does not validate the page...
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14:17:27  <[wito]> Timitry: how do you figure?
14:17:58  <[wito]> looks valid enough to me
14:18:01  <Timitry> bottom of the page, and click the css-valid logo
14:19:48  <[wito]> one error is due to validation against the wrong profile (it should be validated against 3, not 2.1)
14:20:16  <[wito]> the other is a browser-specific declaration which is still syntactically valid and can be ignored safely.
14:22:05  <Timitry> Yes, i read the errors that were found, it's just that i think if you place the valid-logo there, the validation shouldn't fail
14:23:33  <[wito]> Then you don't understand how CSS works
14:24:07  <[wito]> That CSS file is, for all intents and purposes perfectly valid
14:25:09  <[wito]> It's not a valid CSS 2.1 file, but that claim isn't made in the first place
14:25:36  <[wito]> it just happens to be the default profile
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14:26:40  <[wito]> Sacro: you're going bankrupt, man!
14:27:02  <Sacro> grr, can people stop using brackets
14:27:07  <Sacro> How much do I have?
14:28:03  <[wito]> Sacro: good clients will allow you to type wi\t
14:28:06  <[wito]> and you'll get me
14:28:41  <Sacro> nope
14:28:46  <[wito]> 1,1M£, and hemmhoraging at 600k£/year
14:29:36  <[wito]> you'll be bankrupt by the end of next year unless drastic action is taken
14:30:53  <[wito]> Immediate action. :P
14:32:44  <[wito]> anyway
14:34:36  <Sacro> hehe
14:34:40  <Sacro> what year is it?
14:34:48  <[wito]> 2088
14:35:16  <[wito]> but since it's gone this far
14:35:20  <[wito]> let it run to 2100
14:39:18  <Sacro> hmm
14:39:30  <Sacro> I need to send Brianetta an ssh cert again
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14:42:03  <[wito]> I do take objection at a difficulty setting, tho'
14:42:16  <[wito]> Trains reversing at stations? What is this madness?
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14:43:33  <Sacro> use signals to stop them
14:44:53  <[wito]> well, the issue is that if I build a station with a terminal depot, the train never visits it
14:47:07  <Noldo> your building is faulty then for that given set of settings
14:48:01  <[wito]> Indeed
14:48:05  <[wito]> or rather
14:48:22  <[wito]> there are subtleties
14:48:37  <[wito]> in this particular situation, breakdowns are also disabled
14:48:58  <[wito]> so trains never actually NEED to visit the depot in the first place
14:49:21  <[wito]> So the issue isn't really that trains don't get serviced (they don't need to), it's that they aren't autorenewed
14:49:27  <[wito]> leading to annoying messages. :P
14:51:36  <Sacro> tell them them to viist the depot if they need to
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15:09:34  <el_en> ¿dónde está el señor Eddi|enCasa?
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15:14:12  <Belugas> 3
15:14:20  <Belugas> 2
15:14:25  <Belugas> 1
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15:15:22  <el_en> English only
15:15:48  <Belugas> indeed
15:15:53  <petern> quoi?
15:16:51  <petern> did you know
15:16:54  <petern> the sun
15:16:57  <petern> smells too loud
15:17:50  <dihedral> petern, you forgot the /me in front of that :-D
15:20:29  <petern> it's all about /you isn't it?
15:20:34  <Belugas> dihedral, Head Down
15:20:48  * dihedral ducks
15:21:00  <petern> thank you space expert
15:21:08  <dihedral> quack
15:21:44  <Belugas> You Know what You Are?
15:22:26  <petern> i'm jim morrison, i'm dead
15:22:30  <Belugas> lol
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15:22:56  <Belugas> perfect cross reference, petern :D
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15:27:02  <petern> who blew up the content server? heh
15:29:29  <Belugas> the answer my friend
15:29:33  <Belugas> is blowing in the wind
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15:36:33  <Rubidium> petern: lighty
15:38:38  <Rubidium> it was consuming a mere 630 MB of memory
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15:39:11  <dihedral> heh - openttd used to do that to me a few weeks ago
15:39:42  <Rubidium> dihedral: virtual memory != real memory
15:39:50  <Rubidium> I'm talking about 630 MB of real memory
15:40:11  <Rubidium> i.e. that part of the ps aux that kept below 100 MB, not the part that grew to several GB
15:40:16  <dihedral> oh - nice ^^
15:40:39  <dihedral> odly enough - on the vps openttd ran for me, that made no diff
15:40:51  <dihedral> free gave the output as if it were real mem
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16:05:10  <petern> DON'T YOU FUCKING KNOW WHAT YOU ARE
16:08:54  <pavel1269> i know
16:09:06  <Rubidium> I don't
16:09:22  <pavel1269> i hope so :-)
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16:33:12  <Cutter> hi
16:33:39  <Cutter> new eletric engines appear but the eletric rails aren't even available!
16:33:51  <Cutter> I'm playing in the desert
16:33:53  <Cutter> wtf
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16:38:40  <el_en> how do you get power for your computer in the desert?
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16:40:46  <glx> there are no electric engines in tropical/desert landscape
16:42:22  <pavel1269> maybye with grf?
16:42:31  <pavel1269> and cutter, dont you have elrails off?
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16:53:40  <Cutter> pavel1269: don't know but I did't turn them off
16:54:17  <pavel1269> well, if u have it off, you should be able to buid them in normal depo ^^
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16:55:12  <Rubidium> monorail/maglev trains are electric too
16:55:32  <pavel1269> but you cant ingame turn them off :-)
16:56:40  <Rubidium> pavel1269: huh?
16:57:16  <Rubidium> Cutter: what is the name of the new electric engines and when did they appear?
16:57:23  <pavel1269> hmm hmm .... nvm me
16:58:16  <Cutter> Rubidium: yes but I've seen at least two news about a new eletric engine, and I have only one monorail engine available atm
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16:58:47  <Cutter> and I didn't catch ther name
16:59:31  <Belgabor> hi everybody, would someone know where (in the code) I can find at which zoom level small views (eg of the train ui) are drawn?
17:01:07  <Rubidium> Belgabor: I'd say the constructor of the vehicle gui
17:02:59  <Belgabor> ah ok, was this recently introcduced? Sowething between rev 15600-something and now seems to have change in this regard, as the extra soom level patch is clearly not working correctly there =)
17:03:22  <Belgabor> *changed *zoom
17:03:41  <Rubidium> no
17:04:39  <Rubidium> I reckon your patch failed to apply or compilation failed and you're now using an old binary
17:04:47  <Belgabor> strange. The patch applied pretty much cleanly but now everything small (including the news reports) is drawn at max soom
17:04:50  <Belgabor> *zoom
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17:14:28  <Belgabor> Since I neither have that patch applied nor play multiplayer, it certainly won't be me ;-)
17:16:55  <Belgabor> Ok, you were right. Dependency/stale object file issue. Sorry for the noise.
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17:25:29  <Belugas> o_O
17:25:39  <Belugas> there was a dvd-cd player on that new machine
17:25:59  <Belugas> but it did not had power supply plugged in
17:26:09  <Belugas> how  fucking usefull is that...
17:26:50  <Rubidium> apparantly a dvd player is cheaper than a front for the slot
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17:27:08  <Rubidium> (and that really doesn't suprise me)
17:29:14  <Belugas> at work, nothing shouls surprise me anymore...
17:30:20  <frosch123> -Feature: Block downloading BaNaNaS stuff for one day, when the user tries to download everything
17:33:15  <Belugas> Download The Internet
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17:43:03  <pavel1269> Rubidium: i was talking just about situations i saw there, you are talking about stuff in bigger picture, which was totaly right there ... :-)
17:44:17  <Rubidium> I still don't get your reply though
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17:48:28  <pavel1269> hehe
17:49:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15761 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files):
17:49:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-03-18 17:44:55
17:49:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 10 fixed by tifached (10)
17:49:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 4 fixed by adjayanto (4)
17:49:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: japanese - 60 fixed by ickoonite (60)
17:49:35  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: latvian - 5 fixed by silentKnight (5)
17:49:35  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 4 fixed by Smoky555 (4)
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17:55:59  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r15762 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: inlined utf8 chars are not handled properly on eastern version of windows so escape them
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18:17:58  <pavel1269> if i just add global variable to src/saveload/misc_sl.cpp.... after load, is it loaded? ...
18:21:44  <Belugas> yes, no, it depends
18:22:44  <Belugas> simply declaring a variable on that file will not make it a loadable-savable one
18:25:47  <pavel1269> ehh ... its declared in date.cpp :-)
18:26:01  <pavel1269> and ... added that SLEG_
18:26:35  <pavel1269> *added relevant
18:30:03  <Yexo> why don't you just try whether it works?
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18:35:01  * Belugas agrees with Yexo
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18:35:22  <Darkvater> gah, some idiot pulled the plug on my server :s
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18:38:49  * Darkvater waves at Belugas
18:39:09  <Belugas> how a-propos :D
18:39:23  * Belugas waves back in a great big splash!
18:39:55  * Darkvater ponders an Intel X25-M SSD disc
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18:40:28  <Prof_Frink> It's not really a disc, is it?
18:40:35  <Darkvater> drive then
18:40:55  <Darkvater> too bad it's ~300 EUR for a measily 80GB's
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18:43:47  <Belugas> what use you'll have for it?  just curious
18:43:53  <Darkvater> OS-drive
18:44:04  <Darkvater> my HD is soooo slow it makes me mad
18:44:11  <Darkvater> even after defag
18:45:39  * Darkvater will ponder a bit more in peace :)
18:45:55  <Belugas> ahooooummmm
18:45:56  <petern> get 24 of them
18:45:59  <Belugas> ahoooooouum
18:45:59  <petern> in a raid
18:49:39  <Prof_Frink> rared.
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18:50:06  <Prof_Frink> Redundant Array of Rather Expensive Dis^H^Hrives
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19:32:27  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15763 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange/Fix: Add Engine::GetDisplayDefaultCapacity() and use it everywhere, so CB 36 is also used everywhere.
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19:47:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15764 /branches/0.7/src/ (9 files): (log message trimmed)
19:47:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
19:47:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Number of houses in house variables 0x44, 0x60 and 0x61 were incorrect after 0xFF had been reached and could desync clients joining afterwards (r15755)
19:47:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Crash when clicking the small area between the savegame list and the save button in the save game window [FS#2742] (r15753)
19:47:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not try to (un)draw the cursor when the screen is not ready (r15752)
19:47:19  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: The big UFO sometimes landed just outside the map. Instead of landing, just disappear (fly away) in those cases (r15750)
19:47:19  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Crash because submarines would sometimes start far outside of the map [FS#2739] (r15748)
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19:50:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15765 /branches/0.7/src/ (14 files in 3 dirs):
19:50:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
19:50:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: [NewGRF] Expose GRF ID of engines in var action property 0x25 (r15739)
19:50:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Add Engine::GetDisplayDefaultCapacity() and use it everywhere, so CB 36 is also used everywhere (r15763)
19:50:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [Windows] Inlined UTF-8 characters (in the source code) are not handled properly on Eastern versions of Windows so escape them (r15762)
19:50:47  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [Windows] On some system searching a font using its English name fails. So now we search the font using the localised name and use the English name for the final 'validation' only (r15757)
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20:10:26  <Aali> hmm
20:11:13  <Aali> has the "multiple downloads" BaNaNaS bug been fixed?
20:12:55  <Rubidium> what bug?
20:12:56  <Aali> (the one where you click the download button multiple times and it keeps spawning windows and overall messes up?)
20:13:27  <Rubidium> has it been reported?
20:13:37  <Aali> dunno, thats why I asked
20:13:42  <Belugas> why wold you keep on clicking that button?
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20:13:58  <SmatZ> [21:11:16] <Aali> has the "multiple downloads" BaNaNaS bug been fixed? <== everyone knows about that bug, apart from devs apparently :-p
20:14:11  <Aali> heh
20:14:28  <Aali> someone on ottdcoop found it, in r15712
20:14:36  <pavel1269> and this says dev :-P
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20:18:52  <Belugas> [16:16] <pavel1269> and this says dev :-P  <-- ho yeah?
20:18:56  <Belugas> since when?
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20:22:50  <glx> <Aali> someone on ottdcoop found it, in r15712 <-- they used to report bugs but not this one
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20:26:44  <Belugas> maybe it's not reproductible?
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20:40:37  <energetic2> @seen TrueBrain
20:40:37  <DorpsGek> energetic2: TrueBrain was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 22 hours, 13 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> valhallasw: good luck with your RoboCom
20:46:31  <colde> where does openttd save screenshots on 64 bit vista?
20:50:30  <Belugas> i have no idea
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20:50:38  <Belugas> can you search for it?
20:50:56  <Belugas> when you have done the screenshot, the system always tell you the name of it
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20:51:24  <Rubidium> the same place where it saves openttd.cfg
20:51:35  <Rubidium> which is likely "my documents\openttd"
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21:00:20  <colde> Rubidium: i'll look there thx
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21:05:24  <Brianetta> Anybody have an idea why my server doesn't un-pause when players join?
21:09:11  <SmatZ> Brianetta: what's the value of min_active_clients ?
21:10:23  <Brianetta> 0
21:10:37  <Brianetta> although now it's 1
21:10:39  <SmatZ> maybe is the server paused then?
21:10:43  <Brianetta> as of a few seconds ago
21:10:47  <Brianetta> Yes
21:10:51  <Brianetta> It's paused from the start
21:11:04  <Brianetta> as if "pause_on_new_game" or whatever was anything other than OFF
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22:07:35  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
22:07:49  <Ammler> Brianetta: I had a similar behavior here, server didn't unpause after someone left
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