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00:00:04 <mizipzor> well, its totally the same here... thats kinda what i meant... to read code and work effectively, i must be able to instantly switch the coding style in my programmer eye :p 00:02:05 <frosch123> well, night from me :) 00:02:13 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe258.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:01 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:16:48 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 00:18:11 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.109.235] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 00:18:56 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 00:24:50 <mizipzor> night night to anyone still awake :) 00:24:57 * mizipzor detaches screen 00:43:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15955 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: use NetworkAddress instead of an IPv4 only "implementation" of NetworkAddress. 01:12:20 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 01:14:11 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:26 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 01:20:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:27:15 *** scarabeus [~weechat@net-2-2.jaw.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:27:48 *** scarabeus [~weechat@net-2-2.jaw.cz] has joined #openttd 01:29:17 *** divo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:45:03 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@173-19-228-175.client.mchsi.com] has joined #openttd 03:00:50 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5F5D7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:07:56 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5C6A9.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:04 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:10:44 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:12:35 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:24:12 *** padi [pad@bl8-186-81.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 03:30:50 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 03:32:24 *** michi_cc [c668125f91@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:38:52 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:47 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:46:52 *** padi [pad@bl8-186-81.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 04:49:40 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 05:13:52 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 05:17:55 *** Hendikins|SRA412 [~wolfox@124.189.1.158] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:28:46 *** Hendikins|SRA412 [~wolfox@ppp121-122.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 05:34:51 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:36:49 <DephNet[Paul]> Is CargoDest in trunk yet? I saw somewhere that it was, I can't remember where, but just wanted to check in here to be sure? 05:40:23 <planetmaker> you looked wrong 05:40:48 <planetmaker> and it's unlikely to happen soon 05:42:20 <DephNet[Paul]> planetmaker, fair enough, just wanted to check as i didnt think it would be as it would be on both the site and on the forum 05:42:58 <planetmaker> :) 05:50:16 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm126.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:55:21 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 06:01:06 <gleeb> planetmaker: Really? CargoDest seems pretty 'done' 06:01:37 <planetmaker> it may seem, but it isn't and the dev who started it is busy with RL 06:02:10 <gleeb> That's a shame. I like CargoDest, it's my preferred mode of play. 06:02:42 <planetmaker> and it has compile dependencies which are not necessarily liked by all people 06:03:27 <gleeb> Oh, I see :P 06:03:52 <gleeb> Depending on something that's not quite OS or has a lisence people don't like? 06:03:59 <gleeb> or just an annoying lib? :P 06:04:22 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 06:04:26 <planetmaker> HUGE lib: boost 06:04:49 <gleeb> Ah, I see. 06:05:08 <gleeb> Yeah, I saw that dependancy, I thought it a bit odd. 06:05:27 <DephNet[Paul]> what exactly *is* boost? 06:05:36 <gleeb> Only uses onetiny set of features of the whole thing, too :| 06:06:06 <planetmaker> DephNet[Paul]: a library... 06:07:28 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:12:12 <gleeb> Ugh, their website is useless. 06:13:20 <Gekz> so why is Boost used 06:13:24 <Gekz> and not something else? 06:14:15 <gleeb> Maybe it's what the original coder felt comfortable with. 06:14:21 <planetmaker> ^^ 06:15:04 <Gekz> that's sick and/or sad 06:15:57 <gleeb> Looks like it's used for pathfinding. 06:16:10 <gleeb> (Within the cargo graph) 06:16:29 <gleeb> Why on earth? I mean, really. 06:19:45 <Gekz> rewrite it 06:22:50 <gleeb> Pathfinding is not my thing, I'm afraid. 06:23:18 <Gekz> I'm configuring a server 06:23:24 <Gekz> and burning discs 06:23:25 <Gekz> lol 06:23:37 <gleeb> Erm, Gratz? 06:23:53 <Gekz> Indeed! 06:24:03 <Gekz> and I just realised that you can use vim in a terminal with the mouse 06:24:19 <Gekz> I didnt know it responded to mouse until I accidentally clicked something 06:24:21 <Gekz> lols. 06:25:19 <gleeb> Yup... although, I tend not to :P 06:25:36 <Gekz> neither do I 06:25:40 <Gekz> that's why I never knew 06:25:40 <Gekz> haha 06:41:53 <taisteluorava> what is exact time 1 ingame year on minutes, about 13 min 30 sec? 06:46:11 <De_Ghosty> 4 years make an hr 06:46:13 <De_Ghosty> so i heard 06:46:46 <planetmaker> taisteluorava: the 13:30 sounds about right. I think a few seconds longer, though 06:47:12 <planetmaker> @calc 30*74*30/60 06:47:12 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 1110 06:47:16 <planetmaker> uhm 06:47:49 <planetmaker> @calc 30/1000*74*30*2.2 06:47:49 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 146.52 06:47:55 <planetmaker> nvm 06:48:09 <petern> boost is a template library, not a regular library 06:48:16 <planetmaker> @calc 2.2*1000/30 06:48:16 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 73.3333333333 06:48:34 <petern> so the fact it is 'huge' is irrelevant, as cargodest only uses a tiny bit of it 06:48:43 <planetmaker> @calc 0.030*74*30 06:48:43 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 66.6 06:49:04 <planetmaker> @calc 0.030*74*365 06:49:04 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 810.3 06:49:08 <planetmaker> @calc 0.030*74*365/60 06:49:08 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 13.505 06:49:28 <planetmaker> petern: I know. But can you install parts of it? 06:49:46 <George> DaleStan: Are you here? 06:49:52 <petern> you can install parts of it, but that's useless for cargodest 07:00:06 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db035bf.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 07:11:07 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 07:13:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EBEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:14:27 *** Hendikins|SRA412 is now known as Hendikins 07:17:02 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:34:01 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:49:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:54:21 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:56:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:01:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15956 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_station.cpp newgrf_station.h): -Codechange: Enumorize station spec flags. 08:05:37 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEae15.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:06:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15957 /trunk/src/newgrf_station.cpp: -Fix (r4767): Set callback_param1 (var 10) to 1 only when requested. 08:30:46 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 08:31:13 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 08:47:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 08:56:22 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host217-42-3-111.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:56:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:56:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:00:00 *** Sacro [~ben@static-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:10:09 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:24:30 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227081039.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:30:34 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.211] has joined #openttd 09:35:54 * TrueBrain waves a good morning 09:36:11 <planetmaker> good morning TrueBrain :) 09:36:16 <TrueBrain> how are you doing today? :) 09:36:37 <planetmaker> fine :) looking forward to cake eating this afternoon :D 09:36:39 <planetmaker> How about you? 09:36:51 <TrueBrain> why cake eating? 09:37:07 <planetmaker> oh, it's a birthday cake. Of my goddaughter 09:37:22 <TrueBrain> concratz :) 09:37:28 <planetmaker> thx 09:37:53 <planetmaker> it's her 2nd birthday - but concerning eating, she eats as much as me :D 09:41:46 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 09:44:00 <fonsinchen> Cargodist updated: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41992&start=0 09:44:21 <fonsinchen> I believe the loading/unloading code to be compatible with traditional loading/unloading now 09:44:36 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: like they all do ;) 09:44:49 <TrueBrain> cargodist, cargodest ... annoying names :p 09:45:07 <planetmaker> yeah... they all do :) 09:45:43 <fonsinchen> well, it's recognizable that it does the same. Yet cargo distribution takes into account _how_ the cargo gets to its destination 09:45:55 <fonsinchen> so I think the name fits. 09:47:44 <planetmaker> fonsinchen: that's something different than cargo destinations? 09:48:57 <fonsinchen> yes, because it does load balancing 09:49:25 <fonsinchen> and also it explicitly calculates a demand function 09:49:33 <fonsinchen> which is also part of "distribution" 09:49:42 <fonsinchen> but not of "destination" 09:51:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff9bb.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 09:52:35 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:54:17 <TrueBrain> did anyone understand what he was talking about? :p 09:55:28 <fonsinchen> ok ... cargo distribution is the process of selecting cargo to be distributed, determining where it should go and which way it should take. 09:56:04 <fonsinchen> A cargo destination is only the place some cargo goes 09:56:37 <fonsinchen> And incidentally the old cargo destination patches don't do much more than calculating cargo destinations. 09:57:00 <fonsinchen> Which is not enough, as people in the forums have found out. 09:57:19 *** J^H [~JH@2505ds1-trg.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 09:57:44 <fonsinchen> Was that clear now? 09:58:00 <TrueBrain> well ... what is clear, is what cargodest does 09:58:03 <TrueBrain> not what cargodist adds :p 09:58:05 <TrueBrain> to me anyway 09:58:08 <TrueBrain> but I am known to be stupid :) 09:58:35 <fonsinchen> Let's take Celestar's cargodest and compare it to cargodist: 09:58:41 *** J^H [~JH@2505ds1-trg.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:02 *** J^H [~JH@2505ds1-trg.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 09:59:15 <frosch123> looks like e vs. i 09:59:28 <fonsinchen> cargodest sends cargo to various places rather erratically 09:59:30 * TrueBrain gives frosch123 a cake for guessing right :) 09:59:52 <fonsinchen> You don't have an explicit demand function which would be easily exchanged and modified 10:00:15 <fonsinchen> it also doesn't support load balancing 10:00:22 <J^H> anyone uses autopilot ? 10:00:30 <fonsinchen> which is part of "how does the cargo get to its destination" 10:00:34 *** J^H is now known as JH 10:01:07 <fonsinchen> cargodist has a demand function which achieves various goals that have been identified as important: 10:01:46 <fonsinchen> symmetricity for passengers, dependence on distance between stations, dependence on size of towns where the stations are in. 10:02:06 <fonsinchen> and it also has an asymmetric demand function for other cargo 10:02:22 <TrueBrain> I am really totally lost ... I guess you need to have played it :p 10:02:37 <fonsinchen> no, that's a theoretical concept so far 10:02:55 <fonsinchen> Do you get, what a demand function is? 10:02:59 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:04:29 <TrueBrain> eeeuuuuuuuhhhh ... demand? :p 10:04:32 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 10:04:39 <TrueBrain> fonsinchen: it is just too early on a sunday to wrap my head around it 10:04:55 <fonsinchen> A demand function describes how many passengers want to go from station A to station B 10:05:12 <fonsinchen> simple as that, and equivalently for all other cargos and stations 10:05:48 <fonsinchen> You want the same number of passengers going from A to B as from B to A - this is called symmetric 10:06:03 <TrueBrain> I guess fonsinchen doesn't understand sarcasm, but okay :) (hihi) 10:06:54 <fonsinchen> You're late. It's April 5th 10:07:36 <TrueBrain> sarcasm can only be expressed at the first? :p 10:08:08 <TrueBrain> but okay .. does your patch do this: when you push a lot of coal to one power station, it starts refusing it? :p 10:08:13 <frosch123> "An error occured, which was not logged, and was not reported to anybody. It might be your fault, or it might be mine. " :) 10:08:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v Darkvater] by ChanServ 10:08:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 10:08:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 10:08:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v petern] by ChanServ 10:08:40 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Quit: I'll be back] 10:11:25 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.211] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 10:11:40 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.211] has joined #openttd 10:11:55 *** const86 [const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 10:12:29 <fonsinchen> TrueBrain: are you still trying to kid me? I don't understand the question. 10:13:14 <TrueBrain> fonsinchen: I hate in OpenTTD, that you can move coal from 100 coal mines to a single power station 10:13:28 <SpComb> not with PBI! 10:13:31 <petern> you can't with ... 10:13:34 <petern> damn you 10:13:53 <SpComb> and I even had to figure out what the right acronym was 10:13:57 <fonsinchen> That problem shouldn't be solved with cargo distribution but rather with limiting acceptance of industries. 10:14:27 <fonsinchen> If I had limited acceptance I could write a better demand function that would take that into account. 10:14:37 <SpComb> frosch123: that sounds familiar... 10:15:16 <frosch123> do you need all the other output? 10:15:32 <frosch123> or does it also not work on your site? 10:15:41 <SpComb> well, like it says, it wasn't logged anywhere, so I don't know what caused it :P 10:15:55 <SpComb> oh right, the whole thing fails 10:16:22 <SpComb> looks like mercurial got upgraded 10:17:48 <frosch123> if you need it: http://paste.openttd.org/181335 10:18:30 <SpComb> I quickfixed it, but I don't have the time to fix it properly now 10:18:51 <frosch123> yeah, works :) 10:21:52 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEae15.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:42:08 *** Maarten is now known as Guest12 10:42:21 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 10:43:06 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:43:29 *** stuffcorpse [~rick@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 10:43:59 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 10:52:03 *** michi_cc [5625131e5d@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 10:52:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 11:09:49 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 11:13:54 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:15:43 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:02 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.12.246] has joined #openttd 11:28:08 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32:09 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:34:38 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.211] has joined #openttd 11:44:40 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:52:03 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEae15.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 12:07:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-220-74.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:07:58 <frosch123> someone knows the 'experts hard 12:08:02 <frosch123> ' guys? 12:16:59 <petern> not me 12:17:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15958 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt newgrf_industries.cpp): -Fix [FS#2787]: Abort production callback after 0x10000 iterations and show a messagebox blaming the newgrf. (mizipzor) 12:19:33 <petern> eww, ic125 hauling wood :s 12:20:41 <Rubidium> why shouldn't the wood deserve a fast and comfortable ride? 12:21:31 <TrueBrain> concratz mizipzor :p 12:24:46 *** taknil [~taknil@p4FC0886C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:25:02 <petern> there's a g on congrats... 12:25:04 <petern> *in 12:25:07 <petern> sigh :p 12:25:35 <taknil> Hey guise'n'galls! 12:25:44 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 12:26:03 <fonsinchen> should I regard a full load order as interfering with cargodist and revert to traditional routing? 12:26:30 <fonsinchen> or should I only load the cargo that wants to board that vehicle 12:27:11 <fonsinchen> (reverting to traditional routing is much easier ...) 12:27:32 <frosch123> there is nothing wrong with a transport to only start when the vehicle is filled. but the passengers could cancel their ride if they have to wait too long for their vacation 12:27:33 <frosch123> :p 12:30:19 <fonsinchen> the actual question is: If I have a vehicle with a full load order waiting at a station and n cargo packets that want to take some other vehicle. Should the full load order override that and load the packets onto the waiting vehicle? 12:34:12 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:37:26 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 12:41:07 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 12:41:29 <taknil> i just movede to 0.7 and cannot find where to set the option to bulid primary industries? 12:41:48 <taknil> can someone help me? 12:46:41 *** MrFrans [~MrFrans@a80-101-158-105.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:21 <frosch123> advanced settings->economy->industries 12:54:20 <taknil> oh, just found it, thx 12:54:52 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEae15.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:58:00 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:51 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:29 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 13:12:34 *** divo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:15:15 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051054224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:19:31 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:19:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:22:35 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227081039.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:35 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:30:47 *** rbmntjs [~rbmntjs@194.171.57.1] has joined #openttd 13:31:20 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:27 <rbmntjs> I have an issue that is not *as such* a bug, but isn't a "general information" thing either. Is this the right place for it? 13:32:07 <TrueBrain> let me read the cards 13:32:16 <TrueBrain> today, you might find a path, that leads you to an answer 13:32:18 <TrueBrain> I guess it is! 13:32:25 <TrueBrain> (how vague can one be :p) 13:32:36 <rbmntjs> You should write fortune cookies. 13:32:52 <TrueBrain> yeah, might make me some money ... 13:33:21 <rbmntjs> Anyhow. 13:35:20 <rbmntjs> Here's the thing. I have been keeping an OpenTTD version 0.5.2 alongside all the newer ones, because I noticed, back when I tried 0.6, that there were some serious performance transgressions. 0.7 dealt me the same hand, so I decided to ask⊠This is OS X on a 2006 MacBook (so I don't have a proper video card); this might be the thing. Either way, I like what's happened since 0.5, but 0.5 is the only version that still runs smoothly. 13:35:29 <rbmntjs> Sorry, that's a bit long. 13:36:36 <Rubidium> what version of OSX? 13:36:40 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:36:42 <rbmntjs> Also, transgressions -> regressions. 13:36:47 <rbmntjs> Uh, the latest 10.5. 13:36:53 <rbmntjs> 10.5.6. 13:37:12 <glx> use a 32bpp blitter 13:40:45 *** BlueSteel [~memphis@203-217-32-56.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:40:50 *** BlueSteel [Memphis@203-214-34-99.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:41:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15959 /extra/masterserver_updater/ (9 files in 3 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: prepare the masterserver (and indirectly also the updater) to handle multiple IPs per client. 13:43:39 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:20 <rbmntjs> Oh wow, thanks, glx 13:47:24 <rbmntjs> That totally does the trick. 13:48:33 <glx> it's a known problem ;) 13:55:04 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.211] has joined #openttd 14:03:21 *** rbmntjs [~rbmntjs@194.171.57.1] has quit [Quit: Thanks again people.] 14:05:26 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:02 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 14:12:08 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.211] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:14 <TrueBrain> why does OpenTTD has so many languages ... it takes for ever :( 14:29:27 <glx> hmm? 14:29:49 <TrueBrain> trying to manipulate the language files .. it takes long :( 14:32:29 <welshdragon> TrueBrain: because we have a lot of multilingual users? 14:33:30 <TrueBrain> no, that can't be it 14:33:32 <petern> or rather, not multilingual... 14:33:49 <TrueBrain> that sounds more like it yes :) 14:33:53 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.211] has joined #openttd 14:34:11 <welshdragon> peope who can't understand English :p 14:34:36 <petern> obviously you are 'multilingual' then, if you think that's what it means... 14:34:59 *** taknil_ [~taknil@p4FC0B265.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:35:16 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:31 *** taknil_ [~taknil@p4FC0B265.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 14:35:48 <petern> TrueBrain, would you believe it... no RIPE email yet! 14:35:58 <jonty-comp> well it is the weekend 14:36:08 <TrueBrain> petern: lazy bastards! 14:36:12 <petern> It is. This cannot be tolerated! 14:36:21 <TrueBrain> jonty-comp: well, we are working here too, aren't we?! :) 14:36:28 <jonty-comp> it should be the week! 14:36:31 <TrueBrain> last night I even had a converstation with LeaseWeb! 14:36:39 <jonty-comp> then petern can go to work and still be on IRC all day. 14:36:43 <TrueBrain> I expected more from RIPE :( 14:37:11 <TrueBrain> (btw, some personal of LeaseWeb are looking into if they can give us native IPv6 :) I love this community :)) 14:37:18 <jonty-comp> ooh 14:37:48 <jonty-comp> Now I'm just waiting for BT to decide that the UK telecoms can support IPv6 :p 14:38:02 <Forked> note to self: bug the people at work for native ipv6 .. 14:38:10 <TrueBrain> I am just waiting for my university to forward the IPv6 support :( 14:38:16 <jonty-comp> I read somewhere that physically they can, but there's some old bug in the cisco routers at work that they can't be bothered to fix that means it doesn't work or something 14:38:17 <Forked> I fear ..most norwegian ISPs are far behind on that area :\ 14:38:34 <Forked> including the one I work at.. then again I don't know for sure what they are up to at all times :p 14:38:39 *** taknil [~taknil@p4FC0886C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:39:26 <petern> Some ADSL providers offer IPv6. 14:40:02 <jonty-comp> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/10/21cn_ipv6/ 14:40:19 <petern> d'oh 14:40:46 <petern> so aaisp does it via tunnels. how silly. 14:41:35 <petern> might as well just use my own tunnel, heh 14:41:48 <el_en> who needs IPv6, the IPv4 address space ought to be enough forever. 14:42:16 <jonty-comp> but NAT smells :( 14:42:26 <Forked> vanity IPs are not really possible with ipv4 14:42:38 <Forked> I want the word "beef" somewhere in my ip :\ 14:42:57 <petern> heh 14:43:13 <TrueBrain> Forked: with a tunnel or native, you can simply get a /64, which allows you to do so :p 14:43:15 <TrueBrain> so go for it! 14:43:56 <Forked> TrueBrain: it's not the same.. I want native vanity! 14:44:06 <TrueBrain> 2000:BEEF: :p 14:44:11 <TrueBrain> that would be hard to get ... ;) 14:44:16 <Forked> dead:beef 14:44:47 <el_en> i imagine one phase before the fall of the internet will be reassigning IP blocks to those who actually need them. 14:44:48 <TrueBrain> http://0xdeadbeaf/ 14:44:54 <TrueBrain> too bad '219.146.113.214' doesn't end anywhere :( 14:45:51 <el_en> I've heard about companies that need about about 8 static IPs, but have been given a whole /16 subnet by their ISP in the good old days. 14:46:20 <TrueBrain> there was a time you got 4 IPs with an ADSL connection here 14:46:22 <TrueBrain> long gone, those times 14:46:57 <Forked> I could get several more IPs if I wanted on my dsl.. I just don't see a need right now :\ 14:47:54 <TrueBrain> but oaky .. requesting /24 at RIPE still goes without much trouble ... 14:48:01 <el_en> TrueBrain: 4 dynamic or static IPs? over here, one typically gets 5 dynamic ones with a consumer-class ADSL connection. 14:48:09 <TrueBrain> 4 static 14:48:19 <TrueBrain> I did found out my current ISP serves as many DHCP requests as I give him ... :p 14:49:26 <jonty-comp> mine probably does that, but I don't know how any of this stuff works so I just let the wireless modem router thing work it all out. :D 14:49:34 *** |Japa| [~Japa@117.201.96.211] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:49:39 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 14:51:15 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db035bf.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: brb] 15:05:39 <Darkvater> grrr 15:05:46 *** glx_ [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 15:06:04 <Darkvater> 'keep building tools active after usage' defaults to on :s 15:06:05 *** glx is now known as Guest58 15:06:06 *** glx_ is now known as glx 15:07:08 <frosch123> SDTC_BOOL(gui.persistent_buildingtools, S, 0, false, STR_CONFIG_SETTING_PERSISTENT_BUILDINGTOOLS, NULL), <- what makes you think so? 15:07:34 <Darkvater> cause it's on even though I never turned it on ;p 15:07:43 <Darkvater> isn't false true? 15:09:47 <frosch123> if (a) b = true; else b = false; 15:10:49 <Darkvater> :O 15:11:03 <Darkvater> hihi, old game just goes crazy 15:11:05 <Darkvater> hmm, wait 15:11:07 <frosch123> or do you prefer: b = a ? true : false; 15:11:19 <Darkvater> b = a ? false : true 15:11:51 <Darkvater> does 'new order non-stop' default to true? 15:11:53 * Darkvater checks 15:12:46 *** Guest58 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:39 <Darkvater> hmm, no it doesn't 15:14:03 * Darkvater wonders...did this game never work then? all orders are "go non-stop via <destination>" 15:15:09 <TrueBrain> poor Darkvater 15:15:13 <TrueBrain> thinking he is losing his mind 15:15:51 <Sacro> frosch123: a =b ? 15:15:55 <Sacro> er 15:15:58 <Sacro> b = a 15:16:23 <frosch123> sometimes also b = !!a 15:16:24 <Darkvater> meh, oh well, wasn't my game 15:16:36 <Darkvater> b = c it should be 15:16:39 <Sacro> wtf 15:16:50 <Sacro> midge ure and stephen hawking on a tv advert 15:17:18 <frosch123> #define isequal(a, b) (a == b ? true : false) 15:17:37 <Darkvater> I'd do (a) == (b) though 15:17:51 <frosch123> hmm, true 15:18:02 <TrueBrain> @calc 256 - 224 15:18:02 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 32 15:18:05 <TrueBrain> @calc 256 * 256 * 256 * 32 15:18:05 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 536870912 15:18:19 <Darkvater> the amount of money on your bank-account 15:18:30 <TrueBrain> 227 clients and 177 servers .. wow :p 15:19:57 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejo158.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 15:21:28 <frosch123> TrueBrain: remote-crash the servers with 0 clients :p 15:34:42 *** glx_ [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:34:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 15:35:49 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 15:36:40 *** glx is now known as Guest60 15:36:40 *** glx_ is now known as glx 15:41:06 *** Guest60 [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:57 <TrueBrain> frosch123: there is an idea yes yes .. hmm .. where was that exploit ... :p :p :p 15:51:09 <SmatZ> for what version? 15:52:42 <TrueBrain> all :p 15:52:46 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:52:57 <TrueBrain> going to get some food now firs T:p 15:53:05 <SmatZ> I am afraid there isn't any 15:53:19 <TrueBrain> you didn't get the memo? :p 15:53:42 <SmatZ> I will have a look ;) 15:59:43 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5B0D6AE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:02:06 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 16:05:46 <petern> TrueBrain's on cable? :o 16:21:52 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:e098:f4f2:bcef:ee47] has joined #openttd 16:22:02 <EoD> hi 16:22:42 <TrueBrain> EoD: check tha webpage man! 16:23:32 <EoD> :-O 16:24:40 <EoD> nice! An IPv6-only logo :) 16:25:03 <EoD> like: http://ipv6.google.com/images/ipv6_logo.gif 16:25:16 <TrueBrain> just not animated :p 16:25:29 <petern> ANIMATE IT 16:25:37 <EoD> you want it to be animated? ;) 16:25:41 <SpComb> with bouncing bananas! 16:25:50 <TrueBrain> make it :p 16:27:06 <EoD> test 16:27:14 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:e098:f4f2:bcef:ee47] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.1b3/20090314143441]] 16:27:40 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:e098:f4f2:bcef:ee47] has joined #openttd 16:31:04 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 16:50:30 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:22 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 17:17:32 <TrueBrain> I really should learn not to watch movies under dinner that makes me want to puke :( 17:19:32 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:19:39 <EoD> ? 17:20:06 <TrueBrain> horror movies 17:20:15 <TrueBrain> don't know the right english word to describe the type :p 17:20:58 <EoD> i don't like horror movies 17:21:07 <EoD> why don't you watch other movies while eating? ^^ 17:21:52 <TrueBrain> couldn't find anything better :p 17:21:56 <TrueBrain> now I regret watching something at all :p 17:24:05 <EoD> :-p 17:26:52 <mizipzor> TrueBrain: thanks :) ... for the congratz at 14:21 (im using screen and is not here all the time) 17:28:07 <EoD> mizipzor: congratz! I just read about it in the changelog 17:28:54 <mizipzor> EoD: :) 17:29:51 <mizipzor> although its arguably the smallest patch ever to get accepted by a user :p but still! hehe 17:30:30 <Rubidium> mizipzor: shall we argue about that? My argument is that there have been smaller patches by users that have been accepted 17:34:03 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:35:44 * EoD : this is going to be interesting... ;) 17:37:05 <Rubidium> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset/15778 <- my opening argument 17:37:29 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-58-169-176-162.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 17:40:22 *** Wolle [R4R@p57B0C9B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:32 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:49 <mizipzor> Rubidium: very well, i surrender :p 17:47:55 <TrueBrain> you know where to bring donations, right? 17:48:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15960 /trunk/src/lang/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:48:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-05 17:47:56 17:48:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 2 fixed by khaloofah (2) 17:48:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed, 4 changed by arnaullv (5) 17:48:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 fixed by Excel20 (1) 17:48:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 1 fixed by WhiteRabbit (1) 17:48:24 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: estonian - 46 fixed, 1 changed by kristjans (47) 17:48:54 <mizipzor> bot went crazy 17:49:03 <TrueBrain> no, just doing its job 17:49:18 <mizipzor> the bots job is to go crazy 17:49:44 <TrueBrain> ghehe 17:51:47 <mizipzor> sorry, im in a bad mood and severly lack a sense of humor now 17:51:53 <mizipzor> trying to cheer myself up :p 17:52:05 <TrueBrain> is it working? 17:52:19 <TrueBrain> translator.models.MultipleObjectsReturned: get() returned more than one Case -- it returned 2! Lookup parameters were {'name': u'm'} 17:52:22 <TrueBrain> I hate such errors :( 17:52:54 <mizipzor> errors are bad 17:53:07 <TrueBrain> even more the ones you can't predict 17:53:45 <TrueBrain> how did twice the same letter slip in ... 17:53:55 *** BlueSteel [Memphis@203-214-34-99.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:22 <TrueBrain> oopsie ... 17:58:27 <mizipzor> i should give my server some love... its just standing there making noise... its my old desktop so it isnt really geared for a healess setup 17:59:18 <mizipzor> headless* 18:00:08 <EoD> Do you want to give my server love, too? Today he refused to do DHCP, i think he feels neglected :( 18:02:30 *** PhoenixII [ralph@f72093.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:02:44 <mizipzor> it so typical! 18:02:45 <mizipzor> servers... 18:09:55 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:59 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:11:05 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 18:13:31 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:18:27 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:18:50 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:18:57 *** PhoenixII [ralph@f72093.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:54 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:19:54 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:19 <TrueBrain> how much connection-loss can you have in such a short period of time ... 18:33:29 <mizipzor> bad clients sometimes restart to reread the settings when theyre changed 18:33:42 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:34:10 <TrueBrain> sounds as a terrible client :) 18:34:26 <TrueBrain> sounds like windows: restart because of config change :p 18:35:00 <planetmaker> he... not sure he uses windows :) 18:36:18 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:14 <EoD> It says "Read error". What's this? 18:42:56 <TinoDidriksen> A...read error. 18:43:26 <TinoDidriksen> An attempt to read from the socket resulted in an error, usually due to untimely disconnection. 18:43:45 <EoD> ok 18:46:46 *** Black-men [~Black-men@213.234.205.46] has joined #openttd 18:47:00 <Black-men> Hi all 18:47:13 <EoD> hi 18:47:29 <Black-men> 0447 0451 0434 0435 043b 0430 0435 0448? 18:48:25 <welshdragon> ? 18:48:33 <welshdragon> is that code? 18:48:43 <Black-men> RUSSIA 18:49:30 <welshdragon> can you please leave, or face a ban. 18:49:43 <frosch123> hmm, maybe the activation code for an intercontinental including target 18:50:00 <Black-men> 4e? 18:50:02 <Black-men> alewa 18:50:14 <Black-men> 0447 0451?? 18:50:16 <Black-men> 0430 043b 0435 043a 0441 0435 0439 18:50:22 * welshdragon summons an op 18:50:27 * EoD has only UTF-8 support 18:50:28 <Black-men> :) 18:50:41 <Rubidium> Black-men: fix your client so it sents UTF8 instead of garbage 18:50:43 <EoD> Black-men: please don't write russia letters 18:50:50 <Black-men> ok 18:51:22 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:51:42 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 18:51:45 <EoD> hi 18:51:54 <Nite_Owl> Hello EoD 18:52:52 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:55:58 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:54 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5F5D7.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:00:16 <EoD> are those ai_*.cpp only related to NoAI? 19:00:48 <frosch123> everything in ai/ is only related to noai 19:00:56 <EoD> ok 19:03:40 <TrueBrain> is 1 + 1 equal to 2? 19:04:08 <EoD> not for sure 19:04:11 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejo158.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 19:04:15 <EoD> it could be 0 19:04:32 <mizipzor> and 10 ;) 19:04:55 * EoD is talking about numbers to base 10 19:05:20 <mizipzor> bah, binary jokes are always welcome 19:05:41 <petern> blah blah blah 10 types of people blah blah blah 19:05:55 <mizipzor> see? :) 19:06:08 <EoD> ^^ 19:07:38 <mizipzor> is there a linux command to tell me which partition on which physical drive that is mapped to folder X? 19:07:53 <TinoDidriksen> mount 19:08:10 <EoD> TrueBrain: It depends on the characteristic of the ring you are working with. If you have characteristic of 2, 1+1=0 19:09:10 <TrueBrain> I need a JSON RPC Javascript client .. 19:10:24 <orudge> Heh, we have 8 users posting to tt-forums from IPv6 addresses 19:10:26 <orudge> the rest are all IPv4 19:10:31 <EoD> ^^ 19:10:43 <EoD> Here are about 5 people with ipv6? ;) 19:10:43 <orudge> I think all 8 are in this channel, too 19:11:00 <TrueBrain> so much for IPv6 usage :p 19:11:04 <orudge> or thereabouts 19:11:10 <frosch123> ban them and you have consistent access 19:11:23 * orudge bans TrueBrain, Rubidium, petern... 19:11:28 <orudge> I could see that might have negative effects :p 19:11:30 * EoD survived! 19:11:38 <TrueBrain> EoD: who are you? 19:11:41 * orudge kills EoD 19:11:44 <EoD> Noone 19:11:48 <EoD> damn! 19:11:57 <mizipzor> TinoDidriksen: thanks 19:13:03 <EoD> TrueBrain: Noone, that's why i survived the first attack ;) 19:13:06 * petern is not using ipv6... 19:13:12 <petern> (for irc) 19:13:17 <orudge> nor am I, for IRC 19:13:20 <mizipzor> regarding ipv6, i tried it a few times for some geek points... but besides having a fun hacker challenge, my internet experience didnt get better 19:13:21 <orudge> since mIRC doesn;t support it, alas 19:13:37 <orudge> I could move my bouncer to gollum or obiwan and connect to the bouncer over IPv4, and the bouncer to the server via IPv6 19:13:40 <orudge> but that'd be vaguely pointless 19:14:21 <Rubidium> mizipzor: well, reaching my laptop behind a NAT is much easier with IPv6 (tunnel) 19:14:28 *** Black-men [~Black-men@213.234.205.46] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 19:14:38 <TrueBrain> http://json-rpc.org/ <- the 'official' json rpc webpage :( 19:14:47 <petern> that would be easy with an ipv4 tunnel, though 19:15:02 <petern> nic 19:15:04 <petern> e 19:15:06 <mizipzor> Rubidium: nice to see you have some use for it :) i didnt find it easier 19:15:06 <EoD> the is the main advantage. I can connect from my computer at the university (behind a lot of NATs) to my personal computer here (which is also behind a NAT) 19:15:25 <TrueBrain> I think I make openttd.org IPv6 only 19:15:28 <TrueBrain> that at least avoids bug reporets 19:15:30 <petern> silly ripe lir portal. it remembers by username and password but not my regid :/ 19:15:40 <mizipzor> although, i had controll over all the NATs i wanted to get through :p 19:16:05 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:45 <EoD> Everyone can have his own personal server which is at his home behind any NAT/router with IPv6. 19:16:52 <EoD> I like that :) 19:16:59 <mizipzor> hmm... a partition is mounted on /media/disk, but all there is in there is a lost+found... is that partition empty? or could it be permissions error or something? 19:17:21 <petern> sounds empty 19:17:24 <EoD> probably empty? 19:17:29 <TrueBrain> sounds extN fs 19:17:37 <petern> is it the correct partition? heh 19:18:11 <mizipzor> petern: i dunno :p 19:18:52 <mizipzor> see, my server has just stood there, it was my old desktop before i bought this laptop, now im planning to nuke the drives and reinstall linux... trying out yet another distro and go for a more headless setup 19:18:56 <TinoDidriksen> Access permissions won't hide files from view, so isn't that. If you can ls, you have access. 19:19:01 <mizipzor> so im going through the disks connected to it 19:19:16 <mizipzor> TinoDidriksen: i can ls 19:19:17 <TinoDidriksen> "fdisk -l" is also useful. 19:19:46 * frosch123 prefers "cat /proc/partitions" 19:20:29 * EoD prefers "df -h" 19:20:43 <mizipzor> i prefer fdisk since then i can see which of the partitions are mounted where :p 19:21:08 <mizipzor> can i see some sort of "rawdata" as to how much of the partition is free? if it close to 100% i can safely assume i have no data on the disk 19:21:13 <SmatZ> mizipzor: I can't 19:21:29 <frosch123> mizipzor: df 19:21:33 <TinoDidriksen> fdisk shows size of disk and size of partition. Do the math. 19:21:35 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:21:56 <TinoDidriksen> Oh, you meant free space on the fs 19:21:57 <mizipzor> frosch123: yup, 0 or 1 % used on the disks :p 19:22:09 <mizipzor> SmatZ: cant what? 19:22:12 <Nite_Owl> ISP problems 19:22:49 <SmatZ> mizipzor: http://paste.openttd.org/181340 it doesn't show what is mounted where 19:24:54 <TinoDidriksen> SmatZ, you combine it with mount 19:25:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.214.219] has joined #openttd 19:25:20 <SmatZ> TinoDidriksen: [21:20:56] <mizipzor> i prefer fdisk since then i can see which of the partitions are mounted where :p 19:25:45 <TinoDidriksen> Yes, but I had already told him about mount. 19:26:08 <SmatZ> ah well :) 19:26:15 <TrueBrain> http://www.whatismyip.com/ <- is not IPv6 ready :( 19:26:39 <SpComb> that's what you have http://www.whatismyipv6.net/ for 19:27:22 <TrueBrain> and it really exists :p 19:27:23 <TrueBrain> lol 19:27:27 <EoD> lol 19:27:55 <jonty-comp> even I knew that! 19:28:01 * jonty-comp goes to break it 19:28:26 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 19:28:26 *** SpComb [~terom@cl-588.hel-01.fi.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:32 <petern> www.moanmyipv6.net 19:28:46 <jonty-comp> SpComb has jumped on the bandwagon! :D 19:28:56 <SpComb> ages ago 19:29:01 <SpComb> but I don't really have proper reverses for this host 19:29:07 <jonty-comp> no 19:29:24 <SpComb> and I don't want to request a /48 just to get reverses 19:29:30 <orudge> alas one can't change the reverse DNS for your tunnel 19:29:32 <orudge> only for a subnet 19:29:42 <petern> oh no 19:29:47 <petern> i'll have to set up reverse dns :o 19:29:55 <petern> if ripe let me have 'em 19:30:22 <orudge> hmm, I see moanmyip.com is rather un-nsfw in its choice of advertising 19:30:42 <orudge> I mean 19:30:43 <orudge> er 19:30:45 <orudge> un-un-nsfw 19:30:48 <orudge> ie, nsfw 19:30:56 <orudge> anyhoo 19:30:56 <mizipzor> SmatZ: ah, sorry, was misstaken about fdisk 19:32:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.174.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:02 <jonty-comp> hmm, reverse dns 19:33:08 * jonty-comp fiddles about with that a bit 19:33:53 <EoD> i'm off for now. Probably back later 19:33:55 <EoD> bye 19:34:00 <mizipzor> EoD: bye! 19:36:15 *** EoD [~EoD@2001:a60:f066:0:e098:f4f2:bcef:ee47] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.1b3/20090314143441]] 19:40:23 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 19:40:41 *** Aitor [~aitor@118.Red-213-97-221.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [] 19:43:03 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:43:03 <el_en> "Your host is dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi Your country is Netherlands" 19:43:14 <jonty-comp> ha, that's fancy 19:43:23 <jonty-comp> I disconnected and reconnected my tunnel and the ssh didn't die 19:43:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15961 /trunk/src/network/ (core/udp.cpp core/udp.h network_udp.cpp): -Codechange: prepare the 'client' side for receiving 'session keys' from the masterserver so servers can register with multiple IPs as the same server. 19:44:35 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498EC56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:46 <petern> :o 19:44:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.214.219] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:45:56 <jonty-comp> I need to think of a random cheap domain like fuzzle.org I can buy and learn about DNS on D: 19:46:05 <jonty-comp> now I have a VPS, and stuff like that. 19:46:28 <orudge> fizzle.org! 19:46:30 <orudge> except it's already taken 19:46:35 <jonty-comp> perhaps not that 'like' 19:46:51 <orudge> tastytastypie.com 19:46:51 <jonty-comp> considering all the public domains on afraid.org are rubbish. 19:46:55 <jonty-comp> like "yoogle.info" 19:47:08 <jonty-comp> and "drunkensailor.org" 19:47:12 <orudge> openlocomotion.com! 19:47:17 <jonty-comp> rather 19:47:48 <SpComb> just buy it from a registrar that does IPv6 glue 19:47:50 <SpComb> like Joker 19:48:34 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:43 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 19:48:51 * orudge glues SpComb to the ceiling 19:49:05 <SpComb> so don't buy it from zernebok domains 19:49:18 <orudge> pfft, you don't need IPv6 glue to be able to mess with DNS 19:49:23 <orudge> you can still run an IPv6-capable nameserver 19:49:28 <orudge> it'd just not have IPv6 records in the root DNS :) 19:49:50 <orudge> speaking of buying from Zernebok, how goes the signup, SpComb? would you care for some bank details and suchlike? 19:50:09 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:50:16 <SpComb> I've been busy personally 19:50:30 <Yexo> hello 19:52:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15962 /extra/masterserver_updater/ (9 files in 3 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: handle and give out session keys to clients. 19:52:57 *** Nite_Owl_ [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:10 <jonty-comp> SpComb: that is just the kind of thing I intend to learn about :p 19:54:02 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54:17 *** Nite_Owl_ is now known as Nite_Owl 19:54:17 <SpComb> jonty-comp: http://bgp.he.net/ipv6-progress-report.cgi 19:54:23 <SpComb> and look at the figures for AAAA-glue 19:54:44 <SpComb> they're in the three digits range for the major TLDs 19:55:12 <SmatZ> Slovakia ftw 19:55:14 <jonty-comp> I can tell I'm going to get a lot of ipv6 addresses wrong by missing colons 19:56:14 <orudge> anyway, jonty-comp, it would be quite possible for me to delegate, say, smellycheese.jontysewell.net to nameservers you can run on your VPS, without you having to buy a new domain, if you want 19:56:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm126.psi148.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:56:17 <TrueBrain> orudge: is the DNS of openttd.org IPv6 ready? :p 19:56:17 <orudge> easier perhaps if you do buy a new domain 19:56:18 <orudge> but up to you 19:56:50 <orudge> TrueBrain: well, ns3.zernebok.com will hopefully be IPv6 ready in "Q3 2009" (that's when the ISP hosting it says they'll have native IPv6) 19:56:59 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 19:57:03 <TrueBrain> and ns1? 19:57:20 <orudge> ns2 and ns4 apparently not, since they're in the US and my US provider has "no plans to offer IPv6 any time soon", despite them claiming to offer it a year ago 19:57:33 <orudge> ns1, I'm not sure 19:57:36 <orudge> would have to ask the ISP ;) 19:57:44 <TrueBrain> I can give you that answer :p 19:57:52 <TrueBrain> but I meant via a tunnel 19:57:54 <orudge> well 19:58:01 <orudge> I'm not really wanting to set up tunnels on all those servers 19:58:01 <petern> i'll be able to do ipv6 dns :D 19:58:04 <TrueBrain> LeaseWeb is very near (in absolute terms anyway :p) 19:58:13 <TrueBrain> lol @ petern :) 19:58:18 <TrueBrain> orudge: well, I can understand that :) 19:58:18 <orudge> if only because I'm not sure how many tunnels sixxs will let me have ;) 19:58:37 <orudge> so for those I will wait for native IPv6 19:58:38 <TrueBrain> oh well :) 19:59:00 <orudge> those servers happily server my reverse DNS zones for my IPv6 subnets 19:59:03 <orudge> despite not being IPv6 themselves ;) 19:59:10 <orudge> *serve 19:59:14 <TrueBrain> that of course is no problem at all :) 19:59:25 <TrueBrain> just that part towards openttd.org is not IPv6 ;) 19:59:28 <TrueBrain> the only break in the link :p 19:59:36 <jonty-comp> orudge: I was not aware you could do that! 19:59:48 * TrueBrain gives jonty-comp a book about DNS 19:59:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.215.144] has joined #openttd 20:00:05 <jonty-comp> TrueBrain: well I wanted to get TCP/IP for Dummies, and I'm sure there's a DNS for Dummies! 20:00:16 <TrueBrain> just read wikipedia page or what ever 20:00:21 <jonty-comp> but I have two weeks with little to do 20:00:28 <jonty-comp> the wikipedia pages are far too technical :( 20:00:29 <TrueBrain> or follow one of the lovely network classes tey have at universities :p 20:00:38 <jonty-comp> they go on about network layers and all sorts 20:00:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:00:46 <TrueBrain> it is where TCP/IP starts :) 20:00:49 <orudge> http://www.google.com/search?&q=dns%20basics&sourceid=firefox 20:00:57 <jonty-comp> hooray! 20:01:00 <orudge> maybe some of those will help 20:01:06 <TrueBrain> as .. well .. it is a 'catch-all' name for data-layers :p 20:01:07 <jonty-comp> except for the &sourceid=firefox bit 20:01:23 <orudge> well, I copied and pasted it from Firefox :p 20:01:32 <TrueBrain> Promoting FireFox? :p 20:02:24 <jonty-comp> orudge: if you set up something like 'ipv6.jontysewell.net', could I break everything while configuring it? :P 20:02:42 <jonty-comp> also, that means I might be able to have pc.ipv6.jontysewell.net once I learn how to :D 20:02:58 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498EC56.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 20:03:05 <orudge> jonty-comp: well, you'd have to install a nameserver such as nsd (which is much smaller and faster than bind) 20:03:16 <orudge> and then set up a zone for ipv6.jontysewell.net 20:03:17 <jonty-comp> it sounds harder to use 20:03:17 <TrueBrain> powerdns! :p 20:03:19 <orudge> then it's up to you what to do 20:03:53 * jonty-comp does an apt-get install nsd 20:04:56 * jonty-comp apparently now has a 2001:05c0:1501:1500/56 subnet 20:05:30 <orudge> you can also have up several gazillion IPs on your VPS, except I have to add each one, so I'd prefer you to be sensible with them ;) 20:06:03 <jonty-comp> well, I don't have anything to do with two IPs, never ind a gazillion :p 20:06:10 <orudge> that's OK then ;) 20:06:14 <jonty-comp> +m 20:06:33 <jonty-comp> would you kindly set up the ipv6.js.net thingy when it suits you, then? 20:06:43 <jonty-comp> and I shall try my best not to break the whole server again. 20:07:37 * jonty-comp makes no promises, however 20:08:31 <mizipzor> ubuntu was my desktop distro, im searching the net now for a cool "serverdistro"... whatever that is 20:08:48 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 20:09:30 <Sacro> mizipzor: Arch, Ubuntu, Debian, CentOS 20:09:37 <jonty-comp> in that order? 20:09:41 <Sacro> Errm 20:09:46 <Sacro> quite possibly ues 20:09:47 <Sacro> *yes 20:10:18 <orudge> OK, jonty-comp, ipv6.jontysewell.net has been delegated to ns1.ipv6.jontysewell.net, which points to your IPv4 and IPv6 addresses of your VPS 20:10:42 <mizipzor> Sacro: arch was my first picked until now when i started to search for alternatives 20:10:45 * jonty-comp writes that down 20:10:53 <mizipzor> well, i mean, it still is, i just want to see if its something even better :p 20:11:06 <mizipzor> but i really like that simple/barebone philosophy 20:11:23 <Sacro> mizipzor: better than Arch? I doubt that 20:11:26 <orudge> jonty-comp: you can therefore create zones under ipv6.jontysewell.net 20:11:34 <orudge> Sacro: debian! 20:11:35 <Sacro> though tbh debian makes a nice server, though not as bleeding edge 20:11:48 <orudge> you don't necessarily want a server to be bleeding edge, anywayt 20:11:50 <orudge> -t 20:11:58 <jonty-comp> I vaguely messed with bind on my home network ages ago, and seemed to get it 20:12:12 <jonty-comp> and of course the DNS server on Windows 2003 at work is comparatively simple to use 20:12:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff9bb.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:30 <mizipzor> i want! well, considering its only for personal use... and the biggest reason ill make the server is for the challenge... watching stuff break and try to fix it :p 20:12:35 <jonty-comp> at least I know what A and CNAME records are :p 20:12:48 <jonty-comp> mizipzor: that's what my old PC is for :D 20:13:00 <mizipzor> jonty-comp: thats what my old pc will be ;) 20:13:00 <jonty-comp> it's currently an ubuntu server, which was a mistake though 20:13:15 <jonty-comp> but it has a backup of all my stuff on it, so I don't want to nuke it yet 20:13:27 <mizipzor> jonty-comp: yes, i realised that as well, ubuntu seems geared way more towards desktop and linux newcomers 20:13:35 <petern> debian's the best server 20:13:38 <jonty-comp> then when I do nuke it I'll use one HDD for debian and one for /home, so that doesn't happen again 20:13:41 <petern> (and the best desktop imo) 20:13:42 <orudge> jonty-comp, if you type in `dig jontysewell.net -t AXFR @ns1.zernebok.com', it may help you see what your jontysewell.net zone looks like 20:13:49 <orudge> (that's not exactly how it's formatted on the server, but it's close enough) 20:13:59 <petern> public AXFRs! 20:14:00 <jonty-comp> bash: dig: command not found 20:14:02 <jonty-comp> :p 20:14:05 <orudge> apt-get install ;) 20:14:19 <jonty-comp> E: Couldn't find package dig 20:14:23 * jonty-comp searches aptitude 20:14:26 <mizipzor> petern: well, maybe for a server that has demands in stability... my server is for fun, therefor best = most fun, a stable program isnt fun ;) no hacking in that! 20:14:40 <petern> not exactly 20:14:41 <orudge> jonty-comp: try bind-utils 20:14:48 <orudge> or, erm 20:14:48 <orudge> dnsutils 20:14:50 <orudge> something like that 20:14:57 <petern> fixing broken bleeding edge servers is no fun 20:15:05 <orudge> the blood gets everywhere 20:15:09 <petern> yes 20:15:15 <mizipzor> call my crazy but to me it is :p 20:15:19 <mizipzor> besides, i like blood everywhere 20:15:22 <petern> as if the scsi-sacrifice was not enough 20:16:03 <mizipzor> and all these package managers nowadays! i like downloading and compiling everything on my own... that way, i find it easier to remember everything i have on the box :p 20:16:34 <orudge> there is a certain charm to building things yourself, when it all works 20:16:43 <orudge> there's also a certain charm to typing apt-get install smellypoo 20:16:44 <jonty-comp> good lord, I have a lot of subdomains 20:16:51 <jonty-comp> school? I never remember making that one 20:16:51 <orudge> and seeing all the dependencies scroll up and be installed without you having to think 20:16:54 * jonty-comp deletes a few 20:17:22 <orudge> ah, look, Doug's downloading all of Mock the Week off my server 20:17:27 <orudge> I wondered why the hard disks were croaking away 20:17:32 <jonty-comp> :o 20:18:12 <orudge> and 2001:5c0:1400:a::11 is trying to get a favicon.ico 20:18:15 <orudge> which seems to be somebody on eweka 20:18:16 <orudge> intriguing 20:18:45 <jonty-comp> I often see random requests on my hosting account 20:18:59 <petern> eweka have a freenet6 endpoint 20:19:02 <jonty-comp> oh good, a video on DNS basics 20:19:06 <petern> or maybe *is* the freenet6 endpoint... dunno :p 20:19:16 <orudge> good ol' eweka 20:19:17 <jonty-comp> amsterdam.freenet6.net 20:19:17 <petern> link/sit 0.0.0.0 peer 81.171.72.11 20:19:20 <petern> 11.72.171.81.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer ew-busdsl-81-171-72-11.eweka.nl. 20:19:31 <orudge> shame their routers kept fialing 20:19:32 <orudge> *failing 20:26:05 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:28:32 <mizipzor> im currently running ubuntu, on my old pc that doesnt support usb stick boot and which has a broken cd device... what other options do i have to install a new os? 20:28:54 <mizipzor> ive heard its possible to just download the files and install them into a new partition... am i misstaken? 20:29:14 <jonty-comp> if you have windows already, yes 20:29:19 <jonty-comp> but that's a bit of a messy way of doing it 20:29:33 <jonty-comp> the only other option is network booting, but that's messy 20:29:42 <jonty-comp> and yet another area that I've broken something in 20:30:24 <mizipzor> the current os running is ubuntu, i thought it would never be possible in windows... thought that at *least* the nix commands were required 20:30:47 <jonty-comp> possibly, I don't know 20:49:21 <mizipzor> lol, i think i need to shrink the partition ubuntu is currently on in order to have the room for arch 20:50:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:33 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5B0D6AE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 20:59:51 <TinoDidriksen> You can download the ISO, mount it via loopback, and run the installer directly. Plus many other ways. 21:03:52 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:37 <Sacro> mizipzor: unetbootin 21:04:48 <jonty-comp> How ironic, Tiscali have chosen this moment to break their DNS server 21:04:53 * jonty-comp has switched to OpenDNS 21:05:01 <jonty-comp> although my computer is completely broken as usual 21:05:32 <jonty-comp> now my tunnel won't reconnect 21:05:45 <mizipzor> Sacro: found the site on google, but my comp is to old to boot from usb devices 21:05:54 <jonty-comp> every program has been crashing with "the memory cannot be 'written'" or 'read' for the past few days :( 21:05:58 *** ctibor [~ctibor@77.48.228.43] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:06:02 <jonty-comp> and now netsh is. 21:06:27 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.8/2009032609]] 21:06:36 <TinoDidriksen> jonty-comp, time to run memtest86 ... 21:06:40 <jonty-comp> I did 21:06:44 <jonty-comp> but not for very long 21:06:47 * jonty-comp can't be bothered 21:07:07 <jonty-comp> it would be far easier to just take one of the RAMs out and see what happens 21:07:22 <jonty-comp> they only seem to crash when you close them, though 21:07:28 <jonty-comp> either that or they eat up 100% CPU 21:12:34 <jonty-comp> time to scrap AVG and get Comodo methinks 21:12:46 <jonty-comp> it may be the second virus that's got through AVG in as many months 21:13:07 * jonty-comp shall run a proper scan with the Sophos CLI thing tomorrow morning 21:13:52 <TrueBrain> @calc 2.5 / 34.5 * 100 21:13:52 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 7.24637681159 21:14:02 <TrueBrain> 7% IPv6 traffic ... someone has been downloading over IPv6 :p 21:16:16 <petern> does that include bananas? 21:16:31 <TrueBrain> traffic is on ethernet level, so yes 21:16:37 <petern> ah 21:16:41 <TrueBrain> rest of my stats are http based 21:16:58 <TrueBrain> but I guess bananas is still running on IPv4 via OpenTTD client :p 21:17:28 <petern> shush 21:17:29 <jonty-comp> well don't forget there is lots of traffic for your special ipv6 banner logo :p 21:17:37 <petern> obviously i meant the website... yes... 21:22:18 <TrueBrain> nevermind me latest comment 21:22:45 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:26:57 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:10 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-53-146.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 21:38:56 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:39 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 21:42:27 <TrueBrain> \xc4\x87a <- who can translate that UTF-8 stuff for me? :p 21:42:44 *** dvo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:42:53 <petern> it says 21:42:57 <petern> \xc4\x87a 21:43:06 <TrueBrain> petern: go to bed or something :p 21:43:56 <TrueBrain> I don't really have UTF-8 capable shells here .. so I can only give you the hex representation of the chars .. which leaves me with no idea what it says :p 21:45:03 <TrueBrain> Äa 21:45:07 <TrueBrain> tnx petern, for nothing :( 21:46:16 <TinoDidriksen> Hmm... 21:48:02 <TinoDidriksen> It's a Ä 21:48:37 <TinoDidriksen> Upper case C with an acute accent. 21:48:56 <TrueBrain> both trac and the utf8 table say lowercase ... 21:49:36 <TrueBrain> ah, no, you are right 21:49:41 <TrueBrain> they just display it lowercase :p 21:49:56 <TrueBrain> hmm .. no .. 21:49:59 <TrueBrain> grr, I hate tables :p 21:50:00 <TrueBrain> U+0107 Ä c4 87 LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH ACUTE 21:50:03 <TrueBrain> SMALL letter :p 21:50:11 *** divo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:20 <Rubidium> just paste c4 86 for comparison 21:50:26 <TinoDidriksen> Hm, my thingy misbehaved then. 21:51:00 <TinoDidriksen> Close, but off by one. 21:51:33 <TrueBrain> tnx anyway :) 21:56:52 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Vbfe6.v.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 22:02:42 <TrueBrain> the person who introduced an utf-case in a language file should be shot on sight :( 22:04:56 <Rubidium> the authors of the tool that can't handle utf8 should be ... punished 22:05:33 <TrueBrain> it is more that all our 'strings' are non-UTF .. but by adding a case they now are UTF-8 ... which sucks :p 22:07:02 <Rubidium> they are all valid UTF8 22:07:24 <TrueBrain> that they are 22:07:28 <TrueBrain> just not valid ANSII 22:07:32 <Rubidium> okay, I have to admit they are valid ASCII 22:07:33 <TrueBrain> which is still a lot easier to work with ;) 22:08:06 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:16 <TrueBrain> they are only valid extended-ANSII :p 22:10:18 <TrueBrain> why do language authors add a shitload of cases, but never use any of them? Or just one ... 22:11:20 <TrueBrain> where do they speak the language Ido? 22:11:28 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-25.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:39 *** goodger [~ben@host86-150-195-25.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:21:16 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:25 <petern> non-UTF-8 language files? 22:24:06 <TrueBrain> who was talking about that?! 22:24:09 <TrueBrain> that would be silly :) 22:24:17 <petern> good oh 22:28:43 <TrueBrain> WARNING: Modified ownname of language to 'ￜￜￜￜￜￜￜￜￜￜ' <- UTF-8 rules!!! :p 22:29:22 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #openttd 22:29:25 <bobo_b> hi 22:29:35 <bobo_b> can i fast forward on a remote server using rcon? 22:30:09 <TrueBrain> you can't fast forward multiplayer games, period :) 22:31:27 <bobo_b> well 22:31:30 <bobo_b> oh 22:31:31 <bobo_b> ok 22:31:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EBEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:14 <SmatZ> works-> www.openttd.org doesn't work-> www.opеnttd.org hurray for IDN ;) 22:34:51 <TinoDidriksen> Naturally... 22:35:19 <SmatZ> the actual appearance of the second link depends on your IRC client... 22:35:47 <Rubidium> they're both the same ;) 22:36:00 <TrueBrain> http://www.xn--opnttd-4of.org/ <- hehe 22:36:52 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37F8B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:55 <SmatZ> :) 22:37:45 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37F8B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 22:37:57 <bobo_b> same links here too 22:38:59 <bobo_b> TrueBrain: what if it so extremely boring that you either fast forward or jump out the window? 22:39:18 <Nite_Owl> stop playing 22:39:22 <TrueBrain> bobo_b: I say: happy jumping 22:42:42 <bobo_b> hm 22:42:52 <TrueBrain> what did you expect? 22:43:02 <TrueBrain> that we opened up a magic head and showed you how to go fast forward? :p 22:43:08 <TrueBrain> it is not possible. Accept it :) 22:44:14 *** Timitry__ [~Tim@p5B37F8B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:33 <bobo_b> i do :-) 22:44:46 *** Timitry__ [~Tim@p5B37F8B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 22:45:13 <TrueBrain> I should never ever say again: I go to bed when this import is done 22:45:18 <TrueBrain> it went fast from 10000 to 14500 22:45:32 <TrueBrain> but it now takes as long to do 100 revision, as it did 1000 revisions a while ago :( 22:47:41 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051054224.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:48:22 <bobo_b> ok 22:48:24 <bobo_b> night night 22:48:29 *** bobo_b [~bobo_b@host45.natpool.mwn.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:57:20 *** NightKhaos [~nightkhao@78-86-111-126.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:14:26 <Nite_Owl> need to feed - later all 23:14:29 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:17:44 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAE9fdd.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:23:54 *** fonsinchen [~alve@Vbfe6.v.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-27-15.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:27:07 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12] 23:31:25 <TrueBrain> bah ... this is taking WAY longer than I expected :) 23:31:44 <TrueBrain> annoying things about time indications .. they are always wrong :) 23:32:34 *** OwenS [~Akiramena@host217-42-3-111.range217-42.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:31 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:43:54 *** Timitry_ [~Tim@p5B37F8B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:50:14 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:50:20 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:46 *** divo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:52:46 *** dvo [~asd@0x5da10012.cpe.ge-1-1-0-1104.glnqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:08 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke]