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Log for #openttd on 19th April 2009:
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02:24:00  <Pikka> uhoh
02:24:24  <Pikka> that guy uploaded MB's grfs to bananas... D:
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03:42:14  <HerzogDeXtEr1> ahhhh openttd.org is down
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04:37:05  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16087 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r16079): slow trains wouldn't crash into eachother anymore
04:43:48  <Rubidium> Pikka: what GRFs?
05:19:42  <George> frosch: [20:14:49] <frosch123> George: does ECS modify the cargo classes of goods and fruit? -> Not yet.
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06:15:44  <Alberth> good morning all
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06:44:22  <Pikka> yarrrrrrrrrrr
06:48:17  <Alberth> another pirate in the channel.
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07:00:01  <Rubidium> is it pirate day again already?
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07:01:59  <Rubidium> nope, it's in 5 months
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08:00:15  <el_en> "Ab 21 Jahren", wtf, Volkswagen.
08:02:08  <Alberth> What do you expect? The car industry is desperate for attention in order to sell their cars.
08:04:09  <el_en> how do they enforce that, or is it just a meaningless cool-looking phrase?
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08:14:00  <Alberth> just as any other desperate industry, with maximal amount of non-negative publicity
08:15:15  <goodger> er what
08:15:17  <Alberth> ie yesterday I got a card from one of our postal services, where they invite me to check 'how green are you' at their website. Now if that isn't desperate :)
08:15:32  <goodger> VWAG is doing very well indeed
08:16:19  <Forked> Alberth: it was a trick.. you failed by wasting energy on taking a silly test :p
08:17:40  <Alberth> I failed by throwing the card into the bin, more likely
08:17:54  <Forked> you should have recycled it
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08:17:58  <Alberth> I did!
08:18:08  <Forked> you win!
08:18:37  <Alberth> (maybe they expected me to send it back to them.... Hmm, I failed again :p )
08:19:35  <goodger> Ford amuses me
08:20:21  <goodger> their European subsidiary outclasses its corporate overlord by so much it's difficult to tell whether they'd be better off spun off
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08:30:42  <OsteHovel> When did the where to stop at the station came into openttd?
08:30:56  <OsteHovel> (far-end / near-end / middle) thing :P
08:31:10  <OsteHovel> It is so COOL :D
08:33:26  <Alberth> At 2009-04-12 16:11:14
08:34:20  <Alberth> (CET)
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09:05:36  <Rubidium> Alberth: lies!
09:05:55  <Rubidium> it is (and was back then) CEST
09:06:58  <Alberth> I should convince hg to use UTC everywhere! Much too complicated all those time zones :)
09:08:13  <jonty-comp> the internet should run on UTC
09:08:25  <Rubidium> openttd does ;)
09:08:28  <jonty-comp> and then people configure their timezones at their end
09:08:54  <jonty-comp> then it can say "18:00 UTC/19:00 OTHERTIMEZONEHERE"
09:09:47  <Alberth> jonty-comp: yes, my computer does, but then you get these 'friendly' user-interfaces that convert the time stamp to a non-UTC one :(
09:10:04  <Rubidium> timezones are a flawed concept anyway
09:10:04  <jonty-comp> yes
09:10:56  <el_en> just use Swatch Internet Time.
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09:12:31  <Alberth> I never trust a concept that has a name with a trade-marked brand in it.
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09:18:15  <el_en> Time®?
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09:20:14  <Xaroth> no, "Swatch" .
09:20:36  <Wolf01> hello
09:20:43  <el_en> Shello
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10:21:40  <Freek> Hello
10:22:04  <frosch123> Thanks, but I do not need a "K"
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10:31:43  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16088 /trunk/src/ (21 files): -Codechange: merge HighLightStyle and ViewportHighlightMode as they are basically the same thing
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10:42:00  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16089 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Removing the ORDER_WIDGET_RESIZE_BAR widget
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11:40:29  <MapperOG> is there an official (alpha) package of the 32bbp graphics?
11:41:45  <Noldo> no
11:41:47  <Rubidium> depends on what one would could official
11:44:52  <MapperOG> ?
11:45:03  <MapperOG> I mean packaged from the coordinator of that subproject
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11:46:14  <Rubidium> that'd need a coordinator
11:47:25  <OsteHovel> Thanks Alberth (it was a little late to thank you but i was afk...)
11:47:46  <OsteHovel> Aint 32bpp support in SVN?
11:48:28  <Rubidium> support for 32bpp graphics is in OpenTTD since 0.6
11:50:09  <MapperOG> yes, support is in. But there's a project that aims to additional zoom levels (and resp. HiRes graphics), and it lookes pretty nice :)
11:50:25  <Rubidium> in-game or the screenshots?
11:50:37  <frosch123> :p
11:51:02  <padshance> when is released ottd with a full 32bpp pack to play?
11:51:02  <padshance> xD
11:51:08  <padshance> its difficult to install :X
11:51:09  <padshance> xD
11:51:12  <Rubidium> when it's done...
11:51:15  <padshance> :D
11:51:18  <padshance> lets wait
11:51:19  <frosch123> dbset 0.9 will be released as 32bpp only
11:51:20  <padshance> ahah
11:51:26  <dihedral> it's difficult to install?????
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11:51:37  <padshance> Rubidium do you know where i can post my new huge portugal map?
11:51:38  <padshance> xD
11:51:44  <welshdragon> afternoon Swallow
11:51:45  <dihedral> frosch123, "full" is the keyword in the question
11:51:59  <padshance> i did one and i can release to all players have fun with my country xD
11:52:01  <dihedral> padshance, forums or bananas
11:52:07  <welshdragon> padshance, www.tt-forums.net
11:52:18  <padshance> bananas? wtf
11:52:19  <padshance> :o
11:52:34  <welshdragon> bananas.openttd.org
11:52:53  <padshance> ?
11:52:54  <padshance> :X
11:53:02  <frosch123> padshance: if you are using ottd 0.7 you have a "download online content" button in main menu, which offers lots of scenarious and heightmaps already
11:53:14  <padshance> yes
11:53:15  <padshance> i know
11:53:20  <padshance> but i did one map
11:53:33  <frosch123> well, but that stuff is called bananas
11:53:35  <padshance> and i want give to all players
11:54:33  <welshdragon> padshance, upload it to tt-forums.net and bananas
11:55:29  <padshance> i try to open bananas site and say me error
11:55:35  <padshance> (sorry my english)
11:56:40  <frosch123> works for me
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12:00:28  <OsteHovel> I have a 32bpp .tar file that i have downloaded for openttd that haves some new grapics...
12:00:35  <OsteHovel> and i have copied it into data/
12:00:42  <OsteHovel> but how get openttd use the file
12:00:44  <OsteHovel> ?
12:01:19  <dihedral> what did you try?
12:01:29  <OsteHovel> Seach for the file with the NewGRF thing
12:01:31  <OsteHovel> :P
12:01:36  <OsteHovel> But it does not show up
12:01:50  <dihedral> have you considered reading / searching for documentation
12:01:58  <OsteHovel> Yes :P
12:02:06  <dihedral> perhaps "searching for" before "reading"
12:02:07  <OsteHovel> Seaching at the wiki :P
12:02:22  <OsteHovel> Thats where i found the .tar file :P
12:03:00  <dihedral> when i search for 32bpp i get 3 pages
12:03:18  <petern> you need to use a 32bpp blitter
12:03:28  <petern> which is set in the config or via -b
12:03:47  <dihedral> i was just searching in the wiki to find that :-P
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12:03:53  <OsteHovel> :P
12:03:56  <OsteHovel> i found it now
12:04:02  <OsteHovel> http://wiki.openttd.org/Playing_with_32bpp_graphics
12:04:16  <dihedral> \o/
12:04:19  <dihedral> well done :-)
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12:35:44  <MapperOG> how to use the additional zoom levels?
12:45:31  <glx> patch, compile, get the tars, use a 32bpp blitter
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12:47:09  <MapperOG> so it's not in the current 0.7.0
12:47:23  <welshdragon> no
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12:52:49  <MapperOG> will it be included into future versions?
12:54:12  <Rubidium> unlikely
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13:05:42  <welshdragon> hmm
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13:06:36  * welshdragon is wondering if he should attempt to update infrastructure sharing to latest nightly
13:10:53  <Swallow> what is the difference in revisions between IS repo and trunk?
13:11:31  <welshdragon> well, having not looked i can't telkl
13:12:06  <welshdragon> i'm trying to create a win32 binary that's all
13:12:38  <welshdragon> having not been around for 4 days i haven't seen what the updates have been
13:13:59  <welshdragon> (and nor do i have any idea where to start)
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13:21:23  <Aali> 15:18 < Brot> [IS2 log] Merge from trunk (Swallow) - http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/is2/rev/8b6a6bc1314d
13:21:29  <Aali> welshdragon ^
13:21:45  <Aali> (that was 3 minutes ago)
13:23:11  <welshdragon> hmm, need MinGW
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13:23:20  <welshdragon> (i had got TortoiseSVN
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13:31:38  <welshdragon> hmm, where to unzip MInGWPORT?
13:31:52  <welshdragon> (it doesn't say on wiki)
13:32:28  <Rubidium> on you mac
13:32:49  <welshdragon> do i need it for windows?
13:33:14  <Rubidium> what?
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13:33:22  * welshdragon currently only has his PC
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13:34:38  <welshdragon> Rubidium, do i need the MinGWPORT if i am running windows?
13:34:47  <Rubidium> no
13:35:06  <welshdragon> ok... wasted download then
13:35:10  <Yexo> welshdragon: if you just need an hg client on windows, you can download tortoisehg
13:35:11  <Rubidium> mingwport is only for getting and easily building some libraries that you mind find useful
13:35:30  <Rubidium> why would you need mingw anyways?
13:35:39  <Rubidium> besides compiling win9x compatible binaries
13:35:49  <welshdragon> to build a win32 binary of ISbeta2
13:36:40  <welshdragon> that's the main reason
13:36:51  <Rubidium> can be done with MSVC too
13:37:51  <welshdragon> i don't have MSVC tools on this pc i *think*
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14:11:32  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r16090 /trunk/src/ (50 files in 4 dirs): -Fix: s/Slovakish/Slovak/ (unimatrix)
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14:25:31  <petern> 50?
14:26:22  <petern> ah, town name :s
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14:42:15  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: yexo * r16091 /trunk/src/ai/ (ai_gui.cpp api/ai_log.cpp): -Change [FS#2778]: Reverse the order of the lines in the AI debug window
14:46:30  <[wito]> Is there a "native" japanese town names file?
14:47:38  <Yexo> native as in built-in? in that case no
14:48:57  <[wito]> because the JapanSet one is a bit one-tracked
14:53:57  <Pikka> you could make your own, wito :]  town names are probably the easiest grf to make, especially if you just want to make a list of real names rather than using the random component system
14:55:16  <welshdragon> or just rename them in the scenario editore
14:55:24  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r16092 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2829]: Resizing the order window also resizes the button bars.
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14:59:43  <Zariel> hm, whats the best roro station for large capacity (factory/sawmill/steelmill) station using PBS?
14:59:58  <Zariel> currently im just using this http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Image:Station_entry_load-balancer.png
15:00:41  <Yexo> use that one, but remove all signals except the first presignal
15:00:50  <Yexo> replace that presignal with a pbs-signal
15:00:56  <Zariel> <3 pbs
15:01:16  <Zariel> still toying with NN_SS mailline using pbs sideline junctions
15:03:03  <XeryusTC> Zariel: that entry is most likely more effecient with mainly presignals when using suffecient braking space/buffer space
15:03:40  <XeryusTC> also, that image is like ancient and made with npf still running it seems :o
15:07:35  <el_en> when will the whole game be implemented as a grf?
15:09:12  <Noldo> what on earth would that mean?
15:14:31  <Alberth> you don't need a openttd binary then any more, you could execute the grf file :p
15:14:35  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: yexo * r16093 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Feature [FS#2808]: Add GetURL() as possible function to info.nut. If AIs implement it, that url is shown when the AI crashes and also in the AI selection window.
15:14:49  <Alberth> s/ a / an /
15:14:53  <Patrick> yapf is driving me nuts
15:15:07  <Patrick> my trains are turning into a red signal to save 10 tiles of space
15:15:16  <Patrick> and it's jamming my network
15:15:32  <Noldo> change the penalty
15:15:58  <Patrick> any way to do it without messing with the internals?
15:16:07  <Patrick> clever rail building tricks
15:16:24  <Yexo> maybe if you show a savegame/screenshot of the problem area
15:16:30  <Patrick> one sec
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15:16:58  <XeryusTC> usually the problem is unelectrified track or wrong signalling related ;)
15:17:12  <Patrick> nope
15:17:24  <Patrick> it's a priority to make 1 line merge jam-free with another
15:17:46  <Patrick> but it's being ignored some of the time - I checked the track and signalling, it's definitely right
15:18:29  <Alberth> Patrick: make the red-signal path longer or the detour shorter?
15:18:48  <Patrick> I already messed with travel paths a bit
15:18:49  <Patrick> one sec
15:18:51  <Patrick>  I'll show you now
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15:19:44  <Patrick> http://patrickthomson.ath.cx/Signals.png
15:20:02  <Patrick> if it 404'd try it again
15:20:38  <Patrick> waypoint oredump is just off-screen, it's a nonstop station that makes the inner rail have the best path by about 10 tiles
15:20:42  <XeryusTC> make the other lane a presignal too
15:20:49  <XeryusTC> or make the signal that trains turn to two way
15:21:45  <Patrick> bizzarely enough, making it a two-way worked
15:21:46  <Progman> Patrick: there can be also a bug in your network so the train can only reach his target by switching the line
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15:22:08  <Patrick> no, the target is just off-screen as well and all 4 lines connect to it
15:22:25  <Progman> really?
15:23:19  <Patrick> THAT'S COMPLETELY RANDOM
15:23:21  <Patrick> oops
15:23:27  <[wito]> Patrick: no, it isn't
15:23:30  <Patrick> making the entry signals 2-way has fixed the mistaken trains
15:23:42  <[wito]> there's some jazz on teh wiki about how one-way and two-way signals differ
15:23:46  <Patrick> how bizzare
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15:24:21  <[wito]> one will have them choose the best path, ALWAYS; one will have them choose the green, ALWAYS
15:24:21  <Aali> red two-way signals have infinite penalty
15:24:26  <Yexo> Patrick: there is a different penalty for a red two-way and a red one-way signal
15:24:32  <Patrick> ooh, awesome
15:24:36  <Yexo> Aali: that depends on a setting iirc
15:24:40  <Patrick> a red two-way means a train could be coming the other way
15:24:44  <Patrick> hence, NEVER block on it
15:24:51  <Patrick> I can see the rationale now :D
15:25:03  <Aali> Yexo: sure, you can turn that off
15:25:17  <Aali> but per default, they are EOL
15:25:51  <Patrick> nice
15:27:22  <Patrick> now, for my next invention
15:27:38  <Patrick> a pattern recognition rail that spots when there's a trainlength available as a slot on a line
15:27:51  <Patrick> and banks up a third train in a holding loop of the correct phase to fill it
15:27:55  <Patrick> rather than relying on random chance
15:28:32  <Patrick> I also want to deduce the equation for station platform length
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15:29:15  <Patrick> if I have a nearly-packed line of nose to tail full speed 4 tile chimeras, it needs 10-12 platforms for a drop to ensure there's no blocking and no flow interruption
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15:30:20  <[wito]> signals on stations!
15:30:34  <[wito]> meaning that one can roll on while one rolls of!
15:30:35  <[wito]> win!
15:33:52  <Patrick> hah
15:33:56  <Patrick> signals on bridges first
15:34:14  <Patrick> or, disable the pathfinder and the "I'm timid" signals on depot exits
15:34:20  <Patrick> have 30 trains in the same tile
15:34:23  <Patrick> er
15:34:28  <Patrick> not pathfinder, collision detection
15:37:37  <Patrick> next question: loading times
15:37:39  <Patrick> much harier
15:37:49  <Patrick> I reckon 10 platforms per mainline
15:37:53  <Patrick> maybe 15
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15:42:42  <Patrick> also, whoever pushed the station builder window into mainline is a saint
15:42:55  <Patrick> no longer do I have to demolish a build path into the center of a city to get my catchment area up
15:43:30  <[wito]> Patrick: you could always creep with drive-thru road stops, tho'
15:43:47  <Patrick> aah, that's a new(ish) feature I didn't think of
15:44:18  <[wito]> of course, just deleting a single building and plopping a rail station is a lot simpler
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16:04:56  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: frosch * r16094 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Fix: AIDebug window profiled the blitters by invalidating itself unconditionally on repaint. OTOH it was not invalidated in other cases when needed.
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16:09:46  <petern> oh, distant join stations
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16:31:44  <Xaroth> thar, new update AutoTTD.
16:32:00  <Xaroth> sf takes longer and longer :/
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17:17:51  <fjb> I still don't get it why people don't build a bus line line instead. That would actually grow the town and gives far more income than one station tile.
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17:22:55  <petern> hmm?
17:26:08  <[wito]> fjb: a station tile grows the town as well
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17:49:39  <fjb> More stations grow the town faster.
17:50:15  <jonty-comp> as long as they transport stuff
17:50:19  <[wito]> How far is NewGRF airports from trunk?
17:50:30  <jonty-comp> about as far as you can get
17:50:39  <jonty-comp> especially as it's now closed down
17:50:47  <jonty-comp> unless you mean the new one Pikka's masterminding
17:51:01  <jonty-comp> which, according to richk, will take about eleventy hundred years
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17:52:11  <fjb> Bye bye, Neverwinter time.
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17:58:52  <[wito]> Why all the talk of FSMs in the airport discussion?
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18:02:19  <Patrick> don't wanna grow towns
18:02:23  <Patrick> they get in the way of industry
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18:04:56  <petern> cos it uses a finite state machine...
18:05:06  <petern> not a flying spaghetti monster, unfortunately
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18:10:23  <[wito]> petern: that I get, but does it have to?
18:11:37  <[wito]> It might have been said before, but couldn't it be implemented as, say, a microcosm railroad, using signal logic and known-node paths instead of an FSM?
18:12:00  <De_Ghosty> should impilment fsm as a train manager :o
18:12:16  <De_Ghosty> his noodle appendages will make everything better
18:12:17  <De_Ghosty> :O
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18:20:22  <[wito]> I believe the proper term is "noodly"
18:20:56  <De_Ghosty> yes it is
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