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Log for #openttd on 27th April 2009:
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00:39:27  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: bjarni * r16177 /trunk/src/os/macosx/osx_stdafx.h: -Fix (r15892): [OSX] fixed linking error regarding _select50 (only present on some systems)
00:41:01  <Sacro> bangs(head, desk).
00:41:51  <Bjarni> please continue
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05:04:27  <Eddi|zuHause> right... back to the old addictions
05:17:46  <el_en> welcome zurÃŒck
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08:17:37  <petern> first job of the day complete: expenses claim
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08:41:54  <TrueBrain> welcome Eddi|zuHause
08:41:55  <TrueBrain> morning all
08:42:03  <Rubidium> morning TrueBrain
08:42:22  <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you know Eddi's old addiction is staying up real late, right?
08:43:01  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: 'late' is such a relative indicator of time
08:44:31  <Rubidium> with timezones everything's relative
08:45:23  <Rubidium> wow... Bjarni fixed the compile error, how odd
08:45:43  <TrueBrain> wow!
08:46:02  <Rubidium> and that new Polish translator needed to make a few cases ;)
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12:18:51  <jpm> hi
12:19:06  <TrueBrain> hi jpm
12:19:45  <jpm> Does anybody know lightweight SIP proxy for Linux
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12:21:33  <dihedral> let's rename this channel to #linux ^^
12:21:59  <TrueBrain> of #ask-non-related-openttd-question-here-as-this-channel-looks-good-for-that
12:22:03  <TrueBrain> I like the idea dihedral :)
12:22:18  <planetmaker> hihi :)
12:22:40  <planetmaker> jpm, the answer surely is "yes". But the answer to "who knows" is "not me".
12:23:04  <TrueBrain> can we give any other nasty answers? :) jpm: I think it is safe to say you are at the wrong place to ask such questions :)
12:23:39  <Rubidium> would help to know which protocol you want to proxy ;)
12:25:17  <planetmaker> not that anyone has to day because that person knew too much... it's dangerous.
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12:31:44  <jpm> I know that this is not SIP user club, but I thought you may have user some voip solution with openttd...
12:32:38  <jpm> used
12:32:50  <Rubidium> what's voip?
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12:33:57  <jpm> Voice over IP
12:34:47  <Rubidium> so no backlogs
12:35:12  <Rubidium> and lots of problems understanding people due to different pronounciations ;)
12:35:41  <jpm> :)
12:36:57  <Rubidium> although you have less problem with people trying to abbreviate all words
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12:39:00  <Rubidium> but okay, it might be influenced by my trips to Japan and the US
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12:42:09  <dihedral> <TrueBrain> I like the idea dihedral :) <- wow - that does not happen all that often :P
12:42:20  <TrueBrain> ;)
12:42:57  <Rubidium> Japanese write English better than they speak it
12:43:16  <dihedral> jpm: www.lindenbaum.eu :-P
12:43:23  <dihedral> they can do voip :-D
12:44:03  <Rubidium> in America lots of people are non-native English speakers which makes it hard to understand, whereas in writing the difference is smaller
12:44:24  <dihedral> zat is tru
12:45:31  <Rubidium> *and*... with written text you can easily retry to parse/understand it. In speaking you need understand it right the first time or you need to ask what they said, which with inter-continent communication causes quite a 'sync' problems
12:48:26  <dihedral> still - when sap and t-com have their meeting, they dont go to an irc channel :-P
12:51:46  <petern> u r not goin 2 belive dis
12:52:31  <dihedral> ^^
12:54:24  <Rubidium> lemon 6t ;)
12:54:32  <petern> dihedral ru ok der?
12:55:08  <dihedral> yÀ-a ei sink so
12:55:26  <petern> fink
12:55:43  <dihedral> we are sinking! we are sinking!
12:55:44  <petern> u wud of knew it
12:56:26  <dihedral> ei hÀw know eidia wut u r taaking abaut
12:56:57  <petern> u r makin words up
12:57:13  <dihedral> NEIN
12:57:34  <TrueBrain> sweinhund
12:57:43  <petern> swine flu?
12:57:44  <Rubidium> sweinfever
12:57:51  <TrueBrain> petern: auch
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13:16:29  <Phazorx> evening
13:16:32  <Eddi|zuHause> what the heck is a swine flu?
13:16:58  <Eddi|zuHause> i do not leave the house for two weeks, and suddenly all the civilised world is breaking down around me
13:17:53  <Phazorx> world s starving for new disasters and financial crisis is overrated and bird flue got old already
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13:20:55  <Phazorx> anyway, is there a reason static newgrfs should bork when joining network game?
13:21:42  <Belugas> it's not a static grf then
13:21:46  <Belugas> wild guess
13:22:41  <Phazorx> talking about stolen trees and openttdcoopers server
13:22:52  <Phazorx> but any newgrf in static fails
13:23:08  <Phazorx> new transmitters and new docks are good example of very static grfs
13:24:05  <Rubidium> if *any* newgrf queries for one of the static newgrfs the static newgrf gets disabled (desync protection)
13:24:45  <Phazorx> hmm
13:24:56  <Phazorx> here is what i get http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2493/43086411.png
13:25:10  <Phazorx> and newgrf list on coopers box is rather scarce these days
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13:28:45  <Rubidium> oh... it crashes when joining the server... that's something completely different
13:29:28  <Phazorx> should mention it is 16137 and mingw/xp32
13:29:32  <Rubidium> try r16161 or later
13:29:54  <Phazorx> wont be able to join tha game then...
13:30:11  <dihedral> i see a Phazorx
13:30:13  <dihedral> welcome :-)
13:30:16  <dihedral> nice to see you
13:30:18  <Rubidium> you aren't able to join the game now either, so there's absolutely no difference
13:30:32  <Phazorx> i can w/o staic-newgrfs
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13:31:07  <Rubidium> then figure out which static newgrf causes the crash and make a proper bug report
13:31:17  <Rubidium> preferably against HEAD and not $ANCIENT
13:31:19  <Phazorx> i'm afraid any
13:31:33  <Phazorx> so far i tried stolen trees new docks and new transmitter
13:31:48  <Phazorx> last only replaces one thing
13:32:17  <Gekz> why is this server so important?
13:32:34  <Phazorx> because i'm saff member of openttdcoop?
13:33:00  <Gekz> and it uses such an old version?
13:33:13  <Phazorx> is it possible to get more details out of ottd considering it is windows and output redirecting isnt really happenin?
13:33:27  <Phazorx> Gekz: the games run for weeks there
13:36:10  <Phazorx> dihedral: hello to you too, howdy>
13:36:38  <dihedral> :-)
13:36:42  <Phazorx> and it's not "a Phazorx" rather "the" :)
13:36:44  <dihedral> long time no see
13:36:48  <dihedral> ^^
13:37:26  <TrueBrain> [15:16] <Eddi|zuHause> what the heck is a swine flu? <- you don't know about the pig flu going around? Try turning on any news-station; of which country doesn't matter :p
13:37:27  <Phazorx> my appologies for my abcensce.... there are things out of my control though... still
13:37:58  <dihedral> well.... is that not always the case ;-)
13:38:32  <Phazorx> luckly :)
13:38:44  <Phazorx> what's new in your world?
13:38:57  <TrueBrain> YOU ARE BACK! That is new for sure :p
13:39:33  <Phazorx> TB: yesterday yo didnt even greet me, getting old and slow are you?
13:39:42  <TrueBrain> Phazorx: I was talking for dihedral in this case :p
13:39:44  <glx> <Phazorx> is it possible to get more details out of ottd considering it is windows and output redirecting isnt really happenin? <-- wrong, there's a tool on my dev space for that
13:39:52  <Phazorx> oh... bummer
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13:40:05  <TrueBrain> Phazorx: but hi anyway ;)
13:40:06  <Phazorx> glx, link plz?
13:40:25  <glx> http://devs.openttd.org/~glx/convert.zip
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13:42:28  <Xaroth> TrueBrain: the pallets of servers in evoswitch have all vanished o_O
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13:42:32  <Xaroth> the loading bay is empty once more :P
13:42:40  <TrueBrain> Xaroth: about time!
13:42:43  <Xaroth> aye
13:42:54  <TrueBrain> last time I was there, there was more shit in the loading bay than anything else
13:42:59  * Xaroth just got back from there
13:43:03  <TrueBrain> concratz ;)
13:43:07  <Xaroth> meh
13:43:15  <Xaroth> not a fan of the server bays, too hot in there
13:43:26  <Xaroth> but had to attach some kvm cables and show the place to new colleagues :/
13:43:28  <TrueBrain> I always go stand in the coridors ... :$
13:43:47  <Xaroth> yeh but unfortunately ou can't attach kvm cables from the front side of the servers :P
13:43:53  <TrueBrain> very true :)
13:43:55  <Xaroth> but i was lucky enough to have 2 minions with me
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13:44:22  <Xaroth> so i had them plug em in, while i checked the servers
13:44:36  <TrueBrain> I still find it silly that KVM stuff doesn't have a way to plug in a USBstick or what ever .. you can't boot from anything remotely :(
13:44:51  <TrueBrain> best place to be in Evo: upstairs: FREE TEA!!
13:45:09  <Xaroth> free hot chocolate
13:53:43  <Phazorx> glx perhaps you can also tell me how to prevent batch file from closing consle when game crashes?
13:54:11  <glx> run directly from cmd
13:55:02  <Phazorx> i have rxvt instead and it kills it when dies :/
13:55:06  <Xaroth> cmd /k ?
13:56:52  <dihedral> /?
13:57:07  <Phazorx> i'll try with cmd i guess
14:00:12  <Phazorx> hrm... from gui - can i check/edit static newgrfs somehow?
14:00:36  <glx> you can see and remove them
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14:01:34  <Phazorx> how do i signify i add them as static?
14:02:06  <SmatZ> no way
14:02:54  <Fox> hmm i think i got a but... weird graphics. where do i report it?
14:02:58  <Fox> a bug i mean
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14:03:21  <TrueBrain> if it is in OpenGFX, it is known :)
14:03:23  <SmatZ> most likely not OTTD bug
14:03:50  <Fox> hm i think i'm using the original graphics
14:04:00  <SmatZ> post a screenshot
14:04:04  <Fox> although i downloaded the opengfx too
14:04:18  <Fox> some special place to upload it?
14:04:26  <SmatZ> no
14:04:32  <Fox> kk, one minute
14:04:45  <TrueBrain> I put in ... 5 euros that is it OpenGFX he will show us
14:04:46  <SmatZ> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/119 maybe it's this one...
14:04:50  <SmatZ> hehe
14:06:36  <Fox> nope, not this bug
14:06:45  <glx> black boxes?
14:06:57  <Fox> eg my mouse cursor is a snow/grass tile
14:07:03  <Fox> nope, pinkish tiles
14:07:10  <Fox> somewhere and moving sometimes
14:07:15  <Fox> one minute
14:07:49  <TrueBrain> bah, pink .. I am going to lose :(
14:08:26  <glx> TrueBrain: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/builtin_depend.diff
14:08:33  <glx> if you want to test it
14:09:35  <TrueBrain> nice glx :)
14:09:44  <Fox> http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9117/graphicsbug.png
14:10:30  <TrueBrain> memory corruption?
14:10:40  <Fox> don't think so
14:10:41  <glx> bad newgrf?
14:11:06  <Fox> the older versions of openttd don't have this problem
14:11:07  <SmatZ> Fox: I am really interested in your GRF list :)
14:11:16  <Fox> where do i find it?
14:11:48  <SmatZ> the simplest is to post a savegame...
14:11:54  <Xaroth> windows vista?
14:11:57  <Fox> and it only occures when i generate a game.. when i open a saved game from a older verion it is no problem!
14:12:04  <Fox> yes, vista
14:12:09  <SmatZ> maybe open a bug report at bugs.openttd.org
14:12:21  <Fox> kk, will do
14:12:24  <SmatZ> but it's very likely GRF interference
14:12:26  <glx> this point makes me think of a newgrf conflict :)
14:12:43  <SmatZ> like, some GRF wasn't loading in older OTTD version
14:12:54  <Fox> *uuugh* the menues are clipped badly.. had to find menu points
14:12:57  <SmatZ> or it was working because of OTTD bugs :)
14:13:02  <Fox> lol
14:13:33  <glx> do you have a snow on temperate newgrf loaded ?
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14:13:57  <Fox> I don't know
14:14:06  <Fox> I didn't change much
14:14:51  <glx> open newgrf window and post a ctrl-s screenshot
14:15:46  <Fox> yep there is 'generic tram set 0.4' and 'snow in temperate 1'
14:16:02  <glx> remove snow in temperate :)
14:16:14  <glx> it's not supported by openttd anyway
14:16:47  <SmatZ> nice glx :)
14:16:48  <Fox> ah ok, now it works :-) thank you!
14:16:59  <Fox> no need for a bug report now i think
14:17:39  <Fox> if anyone is interested, this was my saving screen ^^ http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2070/graphicsbug2.png
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14:18:21  <SmatZ> :)
14:18:29  <glx> I said ctrl-s :)
14:18:35  <Fox> lol
14:18:59  <Fox> u don't like vista hm? me neither :-P
14:19:02  <SmatZ> hahah
14:19:20  <TrueBrain> no, we just like that OpenTTD can make screenshots on its own
14:19:21  <glx> it's not the problem, but with ctrl-s the glich would be absent
14:19:25  <TrueBrain> doesn't need silly secondary programs :)
14:19:43  <Fox> yep that's right
14:19:44  <Eddi|zuHause> and most likely the screenshot would be maller
14:19:48  <Eddi|zuHause> *smaller
14:20:06  <Eddi|zuHause> because it would be 8bpp
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14:23:50  <Phazorx> hmm
14:24:11  <Phazorx> with debug enabled it loads but i see no effect of newgrfs :|
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14:25:54  <Phazorx> on the other hand i see no static grfs in grf list
14:26:09  <Phazorx> is it in standardplace or statics are somewhere else?
14:26:18  <Phazorx> perhaps an option to trigger to see them?
14:27:58  <Rubidium> looks like 32bpp + extra zoom pngs freekiness
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14:45:52  <petern> what does?
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15:02:35  <Belugas> hoo... Eddi|zuHause is back! just noticed
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15:03:02  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it was a pain these last few weeks...
15:03:36  <Belugas> were you on my continent, by any chances?
15:03:38  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: well, at least you were missed :)
15:03:43  <Belugas> well.. mine... not totally...
15:03:56  <Eddi|zuHause> no... i have barely left the house...
15:04:21  <Eddi|zuHause> but hopefully i am one step closer to earning the big bucks now ;)
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15:06:23  <SHADOW-XIII> anyone played A-Train 8 already ?
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15:07:29  <pavel1269> i played A-Train 1 :-)
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15:07:51  <Eddi|zuHause> what's an A-Train?
15:07:55  <SHADOW-XIII> I've played 1,2,3,4,5
15:07:59  <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like blasphemy ;)
15:08:07  <SHADOW-XIII> Eddi|zuHause: wiki
15:08:24  <TrueBrain> and there shall be only one wiki
15:08:29  <SHADOW-XIII> A-Train 8 came out in Europe for sure, seen it today in shop
15:08:31  <SHADOW-XIII> for PC
15:08:56  <pavel1269> wow, didnt know, it continued
15:09:01  <Eddi|zuHause> wiki.openttd.org says nothing about A-Train
15:09:08  <SHADOW-XIII> looks like there's demo to: http://files.filefront.com/A+Train+8+Demo/;13372441;/fileinfo.html (check out screenshots)
15:09:13  * pavel1269 's gonna get it (2,3)
15:09:18  <pavel1269> then maybye more :P
15:09:23  <SHADOW-XIII> Eddi|zuHause: wikipedia
15:09:24  <Belugas> good for you Eddi|zuHause
15:09:33  <pavel1269> :-D
15:09:36  <SHADOW-XIII> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-Train
15:10:14  <SHADOW-XIII> more screenshots of A8: http://uk.media.pc.ign.com/media/143/14320445/imgs_1.html
15:10:28  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r16178 /trunk/src/vehicle.cpp: -Fix [FS#2866]: don't try to reserve path for trains crashed in station
15:11:51  <petern> hmm
15:11:59  <petern> that totally doesn't look like how a-train should look :s
15:12:12  <petern> anyway, it's 3d, it's bound to be a success...
15:12:13  <pavel1269> i dont like the screens :-/
15:12:54  <pavel1269> i have original the first one :-P
15:13:01  <pavel1269> 4floppys
15:13:31  <pavel1269> unfortunately, my notebook, dont have flopy drive
15:13:47  <petern> "doesn't"
15:14:24  <pavel1269> thanks
15:14:26  <Eddi|zuHause> i have an 8" disk, but i have no idea what's on it
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15:15:15  <Eddi|zuHause> the only 8" drive i have ever seen was a museum's peace exhibited at our university
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15:18:42  <pavel1269> anyone here played holiday island? :P
15:19:21  <pavel1269> atm, i am searching for tower hotel or sth like that
15:19:28  <Phazorx> in rssland they still have coal powered computers with ferromagnetic ram advanced models of which have the 8" drives
15:22:12  <pavel1269> anyone know about any settlers I or simcity I fansite?
15:22:42  <Eddi|zuHause> wow... that was a loooong time ago...
15:22:44  <SHADOW-XIII> pavel1269 : tower hotel ?
15:22:55  <pavel1269> ye
15:22:58  <SHADOW-XIII> i've played holiday island but that's like a modern game for me :P
15:23:03  <pavel1269> :-)ú
15:23:08  <SHADOW-XIII> pavel1269 : am not familiar with title, say more
15:23:13  <Eddi|zuHause> i know on the game pack that had settlers 1 in it, there was a TT demo
15:23:27  <SHADOW-XIII> 8" i used long time ago myself
15:23:45  <pavel1269> tower hotel .... 2d, you had limited "space" and you could build offices for a rent or apartments
15:23:57  <pavel1269> also restaurants and so on you could build
15:24:01  <SHADOW-XIII> pavel1269: sim tower
15:24:52  <pavel1269> y
15:24:57  <pavel1269> thanks :-)
15:26:01  * pavel1269 founds "Yoot tower"
15:26:04  <SHADOW-XIII> better play: yoot tower
15:26:05  <pavel1269> newer version
15:26:10  <pavel1269> :-)
15:26:14  <pavel1269> have you played that?
15:26:17  <SHADOW-XIII> yes
15:26:25  <SHADOW-XIII> I got original cd with sim tower though :)
15:26:38  <pavel1269> have you played simtower also?
15:26:49  <pavel1269> okay, gonna get yoot tower :-D
15:27:28  <SHADOW-XIII> I've played all "sim" titles and most of "tycoon" titles I think :P
15:27:55  <SmatZ> what about "theme *" ?
15:28:34  <SHADOW-XIII> OMG, they sell new edition of PS3: with Holy Bible included (1st comunion gifts) ... what a lol
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15:28:55  <SHADOW-XIII> SmatZ: few, not a theme park - not my kind of game
15:29:16  <pavel1269> theme hospital was very nice :-)
15:29:21  <SHADOW-XIII> but theme hospital on few platforms even, still playing it on my PSP using dosbox or psx emulator
15:29:24  <pavel1269> never got throught level 14/15 thought
15:29:53  <SmatZ> :)
15:29:57  <SHADOW-XIII> Iwould constructor 1/2 somewhere there as well
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15:30:02  <SmatZ> I finished theme hospital several times
15:30:05  <SmatZ> loved it
15:30:12  <SmatZ> I wonder how is openth going...
15:31:08  <SHADOW-XIII> actually i never finished it :)
15:31:28  <SHADOW-XIII> but I remember I was kickin ass in simfarm: I bought out nearly whole city
15:31:29  <SmatZ> also, there were great "extra levels" where you were shooting mice
15:31:42  <SmatZ> my left mouse button almost died because of them :-p
15:31:46  <SmatZ> hehe
15:31:52  <pavel1269> :D
15:32:02  <pavel1269> constructor is the hardest game ever :-)
15:32:05  <pavel1269> i palyed
15:32:06  <SmatZ> yeah
15:32:12  <pavel1269> loved it ...
15:32:19  <pavel1269> nover get to 4. level of houses
15:32:20  <SmatZ> I think I never got over first few levels
15:32:24  <pavel1269> :-)
15:32:38  <pavel1269> and never played with opponent
15:32:43  <pavel1269> he always destroyed me
15:33:01  <SmatZ> hehehe
15:33:22  <SmatZ> friend of mine was quite good in constructor
15:33:22  <pavel1269> also Abe's ... g8 :-)
15:33:28  <SmatZ> :-)
15:33:34  <SmatZ> I have only Abe's Exoddus
15:33:39  <pavel1269> i have original oddysey and exodus :-)
15:33:42  <SHADOW-XIII> constructor is quite easy after a while
15:33:43  <SmatZ> :-)
15:33:44  <pavel1269> on steam so .. .:-p
15:33:48  <SHADOW-XIII> a managed to get all citizens
15:33:51  <SmatZ> nice
15:33:59  <SmatZ> I should play it sometimes again :)
15:34:00  <SHADOW-XIII> i hate digital downloading games
15:34:06  <pavel1269> i love them :-)
15:34:21  <pavel1269> after 3-4 formats ... i really love them :-)
15:34:22  <SHADOW-XIII> there's no a better charm than having box of the game on the shelve
15:35:05  <SHADOW-XIII> better to have it boxed than downloading
15:35:23  <SmatZ> true :) when I pay for it, I was a box :)
15:35:26  <SmatZ> *want
15:36:36  <SHADOW-XIII> box, manual, cd .... that's what makes game whole
15:37:14  <pavel1269> well, true
15:37:29  <pavel1269> best is, have box and so on, register, and you can download it too
15:37:37  <SmatZ> :)
15:37:40  <SHADOW-XIII> pavel1269: , that's fine
15:37:46  <SHADOW-XIII> I got blizzard games like that
15:37:51  <pavel1269> this way, i have HL2 and some additionals
15:37:54  <SHADOW-XIII> all blizzard games I got in home country
15:38:06  <SHADOW-XIII> but since I registered games I can download and play
15:38:18  <pavel1269> have you palyed Simcity 4?
15:38:23  <pavel1269> its also hard for me :-(
15:38:32  <SHADOW-XIII> SimCity 1/2/3/4
15:38:35  <pavel1269> Simcity 1-3000 .. lool, yeasy as hell
15:38:41  <pavel1269> loved I :-)
15:38:44  <SHADOW-XIII> that's true
15:38:46  <SHADOW-XIII> 1 was so simple
15:38:46  <pavel1269> but 4? hard :(
15:38:55  <SHADOW-XIII> i played 1/2000 on like 10 platforms
15:38:56  <pavel1269> yeah
15:39:02  <Eddi|zuHause> i never got anywhere in sim city 1
15:39:05  <SHADOW-XIII> 4 is bit more difficult
15:39:13  <Eddi|zuHause> but sim city 2 was easy
15:39:17  <SmatZ> I liked 2000, but it was buggy :(
15:39:20  <SHADOW-XIII> but I love SC4 mods
15:39:26  <pavel1269> and very easy :-
15:39:34  <pavel1269> SC3000 is also very easy
15:39:37  <SHADOW-XIII> community added buildings are fukin awesome
15:39:52  <pavel1269> i have just that ... road mod, mega-mod :-)
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15:40:13  <pavel1269> and roadstops at road ...
15:40:14  <Xaroth> < SHADOW-XIII> box, manual << manuals are useless anyhow
15:40:20  <Eddi|zuHause> the single track mod is genious
15:40:42  <pavel1269> Xaroth: well, if they dont have RTFM put anywhere, then yes :P
15:40:57  <SHADOW-XIII> Xaroth: I read TTD manual for first to last page copuple times, despiet I know all about the game it was good reading
15:41:14  <SHADOW-XIII> pavel1269: : simtropolis.com
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15:41:19  <SHADOW-XIII> or pegprod.com
15:41:28  <pavel1269> simcity devoution also
15:41:32  <Xaroth> SHADOW-XIII: I only read a manual if doing something is really obscure
15:41:41  <pavel1269> http://sc4devotion.com/
15:41:43  <Xaroth> then again, that was with X3, which didn't come with a manual for me
15:42:37  <SHADOW-XIII> oh btw I seen X3 terran confict (box) and was wondering what kind of game it is
15:42:47  <Xaroth> it's a fun game
15:43:00  <Xaroth> but a steep learning curve
15:43:07  <Xaroth> think.. cliff-sized
15:43:18  <Xaroth> once you figure it out it's loads of fun tho
15:43:33  <SHADOW-XIII> strategy ?
15:43:35  <Xaroth> same goes for EVE-Online, but that one actually comes with a tutorial
15:43:36  <Xaroth> space sim
15:44:25  <SHADOW-XIII> I love eve online
15:44:31  <SHADOW-XIII> too bad i have no time to play it
15:44:44  <Xaroth> me neither, but that's what i like about eve
15:44:47  <SHADOW-XIII> if only they hear me and introduce hourly-paid playing
15:45:00  <Xaroth> they have that in china
15:45:15  <Xaroth> pay-by-minute or something
15:46:13  <SHADOW-XIII> A8 demo downloaded ... installing
15:47:07  <SHADOW-XIII> gotta have ot try X3 then
15:47:11  <SHADOW-XIII> but how about it's requirements
15:47:23  <SHADOW-XIII> got to have old laptop here
15:48:53  <Xaroth> quite high
15:48:59  <Xaroth> but it looks awesome
15:49:21  <pavel1269> i also stopped EVE :-(
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15:49:28  <pavel1269> somewhere around 45M SP :-P
15:49:43  <Xaroth> think i'm around 50m sp atm
15:50:48  <pavel1269> i havent played for like 2 years now :-(
15:50:59  * SmatZ just installed theme hospital
15:51:09  <pavel1269> :-D
15:51:13  <SmatZ> good bey for today ;)
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15:51:37  <pavel1269> :-D
15:51:43  * pavel1269 almost have Yoot tower
15:52:54  * pavel1269 's gonna play Civ4
15:55:00  <SmatZ> hmm it doesn't run very well in wine
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15:58:08  <fjb> Hello
15:58:18  <SmatZ> hello
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16:01:02  <SHADOW_XIII> is there any log in here to check what 's going on while I was dropped ?
16:01:36  <Xaroth> not much
16:01:38  <Xaroth> two hellos
16:01:47  <SHADOW_XIII> ;P
16:01:59  <Belugas> quiet channel it is at this time of day
16:02:01  <SHADOW_XIII> that's last I saw: "SHADOW-XIII: got to have old laptop here"
16:02:16  <Belugas> lunch that is where i'm heading
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17:24:10  <Belugas> man i'm full
17:24:15  <Belugas> even stuffed up
17:24:19  <Belugas> feel like a goose!
17:24:29  <Belugas> a communal dinner
17:24:40  <Belugas> everyone bringing some home cooked food
17:24:43  <Belugas> for all
17:24:45  <Belugas> yeah!
17:24:48  <petern> hey!
17:24:50  <petern> i'm home :D
17:25:08  <Belugas> there were kebab,petern.  I had a thogh for you :)
17:25:13  <Belugas> i'm not :(
17:25:14  <Belugas> booo!!!
17:25:56  * TrueBrain gives Belugas a good manly hug!
17:26:38  <Belugas> manly?  hummm... that is a change ;)
17:26:44  <TrueBrain> :p
17:27:47  <Belugas> heheh
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17:34:13  * Belugas is doing ChipNPin test cases
17:34:32  * petern , predictably, is doing softsynth test cases
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17:35:12  * TrueBrain is trying to convert 16bit real mode assembly to 32bit C :p
17:36:41  * frosch123 is waiting for his dinner
17:36:55  <TrueBrain> (114 people left)
17:37:16  <frosch123> they are idling
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17:42:01  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r16179 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:42:01  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-27 17:41:22
17:42:01  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 24 fixed by tucalipe (24)
17:42:01  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: dutch - 10 fixed by habell (10)
17:42:01  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: estonian - 8 changed by kristjans (8)
17:42:02  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: hungarian - 10 fixed by IPG (10)
17:42:04  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changed by lorenzodv (1)
17:43:30  <glx> hmm I forgot to translate again
17:43:30  <Belugas> i bet they don't even remember they are idling in here
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17:44:00  <petern> hehehehe
17:44:08  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r16180 /trunk/src/lang/ (polish.txt unfinished/malay.txt): (log message trimmed)
17:44:08  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-27 17:43:43
17:44:08  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 24 changed by tucalipe (24)
17:44:08  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: dutch - 10 changed by habell (10)
17:44:10  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: estonian - 8 changed by kristjans (8)
17:44:10  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: hungarian - 10 changed by IPG (10)
17:44:12  <CIA-9> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changed by lorenzodv (1)
17:44:16  <glx> again?
17:44:20  <TrueBrain> cool!
17:44:26  <glx> ha no not the same files
17:44:55  <petern> i have a vocoder :D
17:45:01  <petern> (software, of course)
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17:47:17  <Belugas> :D
17:47:40  <Belugas> i just can imagine the fun out of it!
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18:06:18  <Wolf01> hello
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18:09:14  <el_en> ciao signor 01.
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18:33:54  <petern> ah, virtual theremin
18:34:47  <Belugas> SHADOW-XIII, you should increment your rank each time you re-connect. would be much more amusing
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18:35:15  <Belugas> SHADOW-XIV, SHADOW_XV, SHADOW-XVI...
18:35:30  <TrueBrain> I think he should find a more stable connection .. it is rather annoying
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18:36:31  <Prof_Frink> SHADOW-MCMLXXXIV.
18:37:15  <TrueBrain> @kick SHADOW-XIII I need the light
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18:38:04  <petern> :s
18:38:20  <TrueBrain> poor petern, all confused
18:47:09  <el_en> is any of you going to visit IFSEC at Birmingham?
18:47:24  <TrueBrain> only if you pay my ticket ;)
18:47:29  <TrueBrain> (bad joke, I know)
18:48:55  <el_en> no tengo bastante dinero.
18:49:26  <Belugas> let say that if ever i'd need to go to England, i am surely not going to waste my time there.  I new a place i'd rather be  instead ;)
18:49:48  <TrueBrain> in someones basement?
18:50:27  <Belugas> well.. not sure if the gear is in the basement, but yeah, you got it right!
18:50:36  <Belugas> oh... and the local clubs too ;)
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19:14:08  <el_en> SHADOW-XIII: fix your connexion.
19:14:35  <SHADOW-XIII> el_en : cannot do any thing
19:14:40  <SHADOW-XIII> talk talk is crap
19:14:52  <SHADOW-XIII> it allows only 1 pc to be used with its wireless
19:14:55  <el_en> SHADOW-XIII: set lower bandwidth limit to your torrent client.
19:15:18  <SHADOW-XIII> so when ppl with other computer try to get internet I loose it
19:15:25  <el_en> *lose
19:15:37  <SHADOW-XIII> it's not speed issue but access
19:16:13  <el_en> buy better network hardware.
19:16:27  <frosch123> or do not let your neighbour use it :p
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19:17:00  <SHADOW-XIII> el_en: not my flat/house
19:17:27  <el_en> SHADOW-XIII: you're a burglar?
19:17:42  <frosch123> oh, silly of me. of course its the wireless of your neightbour
19:17:51  <frosch123> +`
19:18:02  <el_en> frosch123: no, +'
19:18:15  <SHADOW-XIII> :P nah
19:18:31  <SHADOW-XIII> neighbour already took down his no-wep/wpa wifi network :P
19:18:39  <SHADOW-XIII> I am renting a room in a flat
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19:20:42  <SHADOW-XIII> New screenshots: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=42582&p=785211#p785211
19:21:46  <Phazorx> how big is the map?
19:22:24  <SHADOW-XIII> 2048
19:22:26  <SHADOW-XIII> square
19:23:24  <SHADOW-XIII> my lapop barely runs it now :P
19:24:10  <Phazorx> so little trains...
19:25:12  <frosch123> SHADOW-XIII: there is something wrong with your matrix. in one of those shots the same helicopter is flying the same route four times
19:25:43  <SHADOW-XIII> ?
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19:27:08  <Phazorx> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/images/0/06/ProZone5.png 512x512, 2500 trains :)
19:29:04  <petern> glitch in the matrix?
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19:29:26  <el_en> welcome SHADOW-XIV
19:29:31  <SHADOW-XIV> :P
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19:39:38  <pavel1269> hey SHADOW-XIV, you know, that you have my old avatar in signature? :-P
19:40:26  <SHADOW-XIV> the bug one ?
19:40:44  <pavel1269> ye
19:40:49  <frosch123> pavel1269: be careful, shadows tend to imitate others
19:41:02  <SHADOW-XIV> wtf ? how comes frosch123
19:41:11  <SHADOW-XIV> my avatars were always unique
19:41:29  <SHADOW-XIV> only most commited forum members remember "purple guy"
19:42:04  <frosch123> my shadow always tries to imitate me
19:42:31  <SHADOW-XIV> :P .... the PSP in sig is somewhat created by me, (added text) and the bug ... found it long time ago somewhere and keep it so people scratch their screens
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19:44:01  <pavel1269> lol? wtf .... anyone know how could this happend? http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/ads/?client=ca-pub-4357758776393046&dt=1240861403886&lmt=1240861403&format=728x90_as&output=html&correlator=1240861403886&channel=8273262722&url=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.tt-forums.net%252Findex.php&color_bg=FFFFFF&color_text=000000&color_link=0000FF&color_url=008000&color_border=FFFFFF&ad_type=text_image&ref=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.tt-forums.net%252Fviewforum
19:44:01  <pavel1269> .php%253Ff%253D55&frm=0&ga_vid=1297510797.1240861404&ga_sid=1240861404&ga_hid=1434931059&flash=10.0.12&u_h=800&u_w=1280&u_ah=740&u_aw=1280&u_cd=32&u_tz=120&u_his=2&u_java=true&u_nplug=11&u_nmime=83&dtd=65&w=728&h=90&xpc=yjxL0pDxSG&p=http%253A//www.tt-forums.net
19:44:18  <Rubidium> pavel1269: by pasting it here?
19:44:24  <TrueBrain> is that worth a kick .. hmm ...
19:44:24  <pavel1269> the adress i mean
19:44:27  <TrueBrain> things to consider ...
19:44:39  <pavel1269> TB: that adress is balnk at least :-P
19:44:42  <pavel1269> *blank
19:44:49  <TrueBrain> that URL is incomplete
19:44:53  <TrueBrain> as it is split
19:45:06  <TrueBrain> but besides that ... who posts such a long url in IRC?!
19:45:08  <TrueBrain> :)
19:45:13  * pavel1269 hides
19:45:23  <pavel1269> what did i clicked to, that it gave me that result?
19:45:44  <pavel1269> and dont ask me, i dont know that :-)
19:45:44  <el_en> TrueBrain: it is worth.
19:45:46  <petern> it's an advert link. what are you talking about?
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19:46:00  <TrueBrain> I think someone here forgot his medicine .. AGAIN
19:46:15  *** petern changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.7.0 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only | Discussion of realism is now a quietable offence | No idiots | Except me
19:46:23  <TrueBrain> petern: bah, I was about to make a joke about that :(
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19:46:56  <TrueBrain> PARTY!!!!
19:47:05  <petern> great, that idiots gone finally
19:47:20  <TrueBrain> petern: 'those idiots' or 'that idiot'
19:47:22  <TrueBrain> :p
19:47:27  <pavel1269> :(
19:47:34  <petern> my ' key didn't work!
19:47:46  <frosch123> use ` instead
19:47:48  <TrueBrain> EXCUSES!
19:47:54  <el_en> frosch123: english only.
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19:48:38  <petern> Belugas, your boss is mean
19:48:48  <petern> making you stay at work all afternoon :(
19:49:16  <Belugas> which one?
19:49:25  <Belugas> the one at home or the one at work?
19:49:28  <Prof_Frink> The mean one.
19:49:47  <Belugas> both are!
19:49:49  <TrueBrain> auch!
19:49:52  <Prof_Frink> So, add 'em upp and divide by the number of bosses.
19:49:58  <Prof_Frink> s/pp/p/
19:50:13  <frosch123> arithmetic means are so ...
19:50:27  <Belugas> hem... 1+1/2 =1 o_O
19:50:41  <pavel1269> false :-P
19:50:49  <pavel1269> 1+1/2 = 3/2 :-)
19:50:55  <Belugas> okok... smart ass... (1+1)/2 = 1
19:51:00  <Belugas> pouet!
19:51:01  <frosch123> pavel1269: belugas uses integers
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19:51:14  <pavel1269> okay then :-)
19:51:14  <TrueBrain> @calc 1 + 1/2
19:51:14  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 1.5
19:51:21  <TrueBrain> hmm .. stipid DorpsGek!
19:51:25  <TrueBrain> @calc 1 + (int)1/2
19:51:25  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
19:51:27  <TrueBrain> :(
19:51:32  <TrueBrain> @calc 1 + int(1/2)
19:51:32  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Error: 'int' is not a defined function.
19:51:35  <TrueBrain> :'(
19:51:40  <Belugas> REMOVE THE BRAIN!
19:51:43  <petern> @calc 1 + floor(1/2)
19:51:43  <DorpsGek> petern: 1
19:51:55  <pavel1269> floor is cheat :-)
19:51:56  <Prof_Frink> @calc 1 + out(1/2)
19:51:56  <DorpsGek> Prof_Frink: Error: 'out' is not a defined function.
19:52:00  <petern> @calc 1 + ceil(1/2)
19:52:00  <DorpsGek> petern: 2
19:52:05  <TrueBrain> Belugas: BUT I AM NOT AN IDIOT!
19:52:23  <Prof_Frink> Where's TruePinky?
19:52:24  <Belugas> true you are
19:52:48  <Belugas> mm.. "True" you are not
19:52:53  <Belugas> or something like that...
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20:17:42  <frosch123> http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/air-force-one-backup-rattles-new-york-nerve/ <- obama, the jester :p
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20:36:39  <Pikka> hi?
20:36:54  <Pikka> Orudge?
20:36:56  <Pikka> Owen?
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20:37:23  <Belugas> Hi!
20:37:25  <Pikka> hey
20:37:33  <Belugas> !Orudge
20:37:34  <Pikka> have a quist
20:37:40  <Pikka> question
20:37:43  <Belugas> and !Owen
20:38:08  * Belugas searches dico for quist. sounds cool :)
20:38:26  <Pikka> *question:P
20:38:30  <Belugas> oups :)
20:38:33  <Pikka> can you help me?
20:38:40  <TrueBrain> let me check my glass bowl ...
20:38:43  <Belugas> no, yes, maybe
20:38:46  <Pikka> ok :P
20:38:50  <Belugas> heheh
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20:39:15  <Pikka> I've read about trainsets and airplanesets but i have no program that can open GRF's
20:39:15  <Belugas> 2 cents he'll be back soon
20:39:26  <Belugas> buwhahaha!
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20:39:56  <Pikka> which program can open GRF's\
20:39:58  <Belugas> he's double clicking and hopes for immediate opening...
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20:40:11  <TrueBrain> HE LEFT!
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20:40:43  <Pikka> @orudge I've got a question
20:40:55  <Belugas> @seen orudge
20:40:55  <DorpsGek> Belugas: orudge was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 52 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <orudge> but you can get an 0.7.0 deb from openttd.org
20:41:05  <planetmaker> he :P
20:41:08  <Pikka> ":P
20:41:19  <Belugas> he's been away for a few days, so it seems
20:41:19  <planetmaker> Pikka: ever considered to look at the forums?
20:41:29  <Pikka> where?
20:41:33  <Pikka> what topic?
20:41:38  <planetmaker> or to ... google?
20:41:48  <Pikka> xD
20:41:50  <TrueBrain> or to ... not bug orudge with such a silly question?
20:42:10  <Belugas> and by the way, Pikka, learn about command line programs too :)
20:42:21  <Belugas> GRFCODEC IS a command line
20:42:47  <petern> i here u naow
20:43:12  <Belugas> NO U DON'T!!! ya cannot!
20:43:19  <planetmaker> aaaaaah. There's actually a NEW thread as of today asking that exact question. With answers even
20:43:20  <petern> :(
20:43:38  <Pikka> what's the thread's name?
20:43:43  <Belugas> bot soun ya weeeeel
20:44:17  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=43357&hilit=open+grf <-- burping later, ok?
20:44:31  <Pikka> tyvm
20:44:32  <Belugas> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=43357
20:44:48  <Belugas> damned... too slew
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20:49:43  <Pikka> Any Dutch in here? Want to start making Netherlands map?
20:50:39  <Belugas> there are a few ( not me though ).  but ... i though there were already some made... Or did i dreamed about it?
20:51:15  <orudge> a question?
20:51:27  <petern> a flower?
20:51:31  <TrueBrain> a hearth!
20:51:32  <orudge> that's not the real Pikka D:
20:51:41  <TrueBrain> orudge: oh, we noticed, don't worry :)
20:51:57  <orudge> also
20:52:00  <orudge> what an odd traceroute
20:52:06  <orudge> or, well
20:52:10  <orudge> peculiar
20:53:42  <orudge> anyway
20:55:10  <Belugas> 3 minuites
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21:00:03  <Belugas> 2 minutes overdue!!
21:00:07  <Belugas> run for your life!!!!
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21:15:21  <el_en> but... the map structure doesn't support Netherlands, does it?
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21:17:02  <TrueBrain> euh .... what kind of comment is that?!
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21:18:23  <el_en> if i'm not badly mistaken, there are areas below sea level in the Netherlands?
21:18:49  <TrueBrain> that is very true
21:19:06  <el_en> Q.E.D.
21:19:11  <TrueBrain> parts are 7 meters below sealevel
21:19:35  <TrueBrain> doesn't mean you can't make a map of the Netherlands
21:19:47  <Eddi|zuHause> they'll be 9 meters within the next 100 years ;)
21:19:52  <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image013.png
21:19:53  <TrueBrain> there!
21:20:03  <TrueBrain> better yet: http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mapgen/image018.png
21:21:10  <Eddi|zuHause> what do we have freeform map edges for if you cut the map off so artificially?
21:21:28  <TrueBrain> because I like this more :) Shows better which country you are playing :)
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22:41:50  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
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23:16:00  <Belugas> [17:20] <el_en> if i'm not badly mistaken, there are areas below sea level in the Netherlands?  <---  yeah... that is so unrealistic.  YOu should fix it, el_en!
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