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00:00:30 <Chruker> the abstractlist is just a parent function from which all the different types of list inherits their basic functionality 00:01:03 <Chruker> However those inherited functions are documented in the specific list types 00:02:32 <Yexo> I think list are always sorted, so it'll just keep the first item 00:02:41 <Yexo> you can influence the sort order with Sort 00:03:13 <Yexo> if you sort the list first, it'll definatly keep the first item 00:03:15 <Chruker> I know. Just dont know if they are always sorted 00:03:31 <Yexo> I think they are, but if I were you I wouldn't depend on it 00:03:38 <Yexo> just call sort once to be sure 00:10:43 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B64F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:38 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-79-153.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:29:06 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-151-9-150.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:30:01 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 00:34:01 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-235-159.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:55 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:48:10 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 00:48:59 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485C05A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:52:47 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C502.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:56:19 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 01:29:22 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:36:43 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:50:56 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:51:09 *** goodger_ is now known as goodger 02:09:40 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-66-158.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:32:21 *** Bennythen00b [~chatzilla@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 02:36:37 *** Bennythen00b [~chatzilla@40.81-166-86.customer.lyse.net] has quit [] 02:52:44 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-66-158.qld.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 03:00:40 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i59F5CEF0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:07:38 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5D621.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:02 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:12:29 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:13:47 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-147-189-106.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:18:19 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm171.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 03:27:53 *** Zantor [46ed808a@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 03:38:45 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:44 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 04:20:06 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@2a01:270:dd00:7701:1337:1337:1337:1337] has joined #openttd 04:20:09 <z-MaTRiX> hi 04:20:33 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@2a01:270:dd00:7701:1337:1337:1337:1337] has quit [] 04:20:49 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has joined #openttd 04:20:55 <z-MaTRiX> hmm 04:21:09 <z-MaTRiX> your dns checker has some bug 04:21:15 <Nite_Owl> most of the European crowd is asleep 04:21:24 <z-MaTRiX> [061949] * *** Your forward and reverse DNS do not match, ignoring hostname. 04:21:39 <z-MaTRiX> [062036] * *** Found your hostname 04:22:07 <z-MaTRiX> hi Nite_Owl what's up? 04:22:22 <Nite_Owl> DNS in relation to what? 04:22:33 <z-MaTRiX> pasted from snotices 04:22:43 <z-MaTRiX> but reverse is ok. 04:22:52 <z-MaTRiX> sometimes it says fail 04:23:10 <Nite_Owl> what were you trying to access 04:23:29 <z-MaTRiX> me? this irc channel 04:23:48 <z-MaTRiX> with my subdomain 04:24:49 <z-MaTRiX> (it's ok now) 04:26:29 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 05:00:59 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5CEF0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:01:34 *** ohnoitsavram [~ohnoitsav@123-243-10-69.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:01:46 *** Booth_ [~chatzilla@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 05:02:13 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 05:03:19 *** ohnoitsavram [~ohnoitsav@123-243-10-69.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 05:03:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.198.121] has joined #openttd 05:06:01 *** Rubidium_ [~Rubidium@2001:1af8:fe2e:115::2] has joined #openttd 05:06:14 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> kilo.oftc.net quits: Quarks, Tino|Home, svip, @Rubidium, nfc, Mark, Booth, HerzogDeXtEr, +tokai 05:06:20 *** Netsplit over, joins: nfc 05:06:20 *** Booth_ is now known as Booth 05:06:33 *** Netsplit over, joins: Quarks 05:10:12 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B811C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:10:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 05:14:45 <torahteen> Agh, okay... could someone explain how to get a PBS signal system working? 05:14:49 <torahteen> Which signals go where? 05:17:22 *** svip [~svip@0x53589c76.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 05:18:15 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has joined #openttd 05:24:34 *** Zantor [46ed808a@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:08:39 *** torahteen [~Jordan@12-175-226-221.dsl-cust.gwtc.net] has left #openttd [] 07:14:20 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm171.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:18:32 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 07:25:39 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:27:25 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:28:57 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 07:56:52 *** maristo [~maristo@host217-114-156-151.pppoe.mark-itt.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:17:06 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 08:31:48 *** goodger__ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:32:28 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 08:36:49 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:38:49 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-9-30-116.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 08:51:03 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:54:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:58:03 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:00:09 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejl244.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:04:39 *** goodger__ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:14:07 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051117147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:21:11 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 09:33:27 *** goodger__ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:37:16 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:38:16 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 09:38:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 09:38:49 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:40:33 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:42:52 *** Zr40 [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has joined #openttd 09:43:37 *** goodger__ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:48:04 *** Zr40_ [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:51:13 *** SmoovTruck [~impmobile@173-112-196-114.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:15 <SmoovTruck> quick question... what is the key/mouse combination to flip an engine around in a multi-headed train, in the depot window? 09:54:22 <Eddi|zuHause> ctrl+click 09:54:57 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejl244.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 09:54:59 <Eddi|zuHause> but it only works for single engines, not articulated ones 09:56:51 <SmoovTruck> right... 09:57:28 <TrueBrain> no, left click 09:57:56 <SmoovTruck> oh well... it is a single engine, but is throwing out the multiple unit error 09:58:10 <SmoovTruck> probably the GRF author's oversight 09:58:22 <Eddi|zuHause> well then it's not a single engine 09:58:29 <SmoovTruck> but it is a single engine 10:01:48 <TrueBrain> "it is" - "it isn't" ... I love this conversation :) 10:02:48 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:05:59 <Alberth> highly constructive :) 10:06:27 <Alberth> SmoovTruck: it may look like a single engine to you, but the game doesn't look at graphics, it looks at data supplied by the GRF author. 10:07:11 <Alberth> and like all information supplied more than once, it may be inconsistent 10:07:15 <SmoovTruck> which brings us back to "probably the GRF author's oversight"... doesn't it... 10:07:34 <Alberth> yep 10:07:46 <SmoovTruck> which I already said... so... why continue to argue? 10:08:19 *** SmoovTruck is now known as Smoovious 10:08:24 <petern> unm 10:08:27 <petern> well 10:08:29 <Alberth> (11:59:00) SmoovTruck: but it is a single engine <-- because you continued 10:08:32 <petern> if it's articulated... 10:08:44 <Smoovious> in response to Eddi|zuHause 10:08:51 <Smoovious> it is not articulated 10:09:51 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:10:00 <petern> if it's not an MU, and not articulated, there are no restrictions 10:10:18 <petern> there is nothing in a grf that can change that 10:10:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcdc7.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:10:35 <petern> so maybe it's a bug :p 10:10:41 <Smoovious> I agree 10:10:59 <petern> more like it's a 'hidden' articulation 10:11:06 <petern> *likely 10:11:28 <Smoovious> yeah, whatever 10:11:35 <petern> yeah, whatever 10:11:48 <Smoovious> it is a single electrical unit... not an articulared steam engine... not a multiple unit... 10:11:51 * Smoovious shrugs. 10:11:52 <petern> without any information, only you can know 10:12:00 <Smoovious> anyways, thanks for the command help... back to the game 10:12:40 <petern> for example, some of the 'single' electric engines in dbsetxl are articulated 10:13:49 <Smoovious> this one, however, is not 10:14:10 <TrueBrain> and it continues: "it is" - "it isn't" - "it is" - "it isn't" 10:14:13 <TrueBrain> I should record this :) 10:14:54 <Alberth> oftc.net does already, you only need to record the url :) 10:15:18 <TrueBrain> oftc.net does? :) 10:21:42 *** goodger__ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:23:36 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:24:53 <frosch123> http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/attachment.php?aid=1454 <- the error messages says "too many newgrfs", though the scrollbar is at 60% :p 10:28:42 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:37 <Ammler> coop pack has 200 newgrfs. 10:30:02 <frosch123> so he only loaded the half of it? 10:30:16 <Eddi|zuHause> what weird kind of format is that? it opens in GIMP instead of Gwenview... 10:30:33 <frosch123> the quality looks like jpeg 10:31:25 <frosch123> http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/showthread.php?tid=4060 <- also a quite brilliant post 10:31:55 <TrueBrain> german, blegh 10:32:29 <frosch123> TrueBrain: it gives me a nice start into the day after dreaming about 3 bugs 10:32:32 * FR^2 throws some sauerkraut at TrueBrain ;) 10:32:47 *** Zr40 [~zr40@120-12-ftth.onsnetstudenten.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:32:55 <TrueBrain> why do you dream about bugs?! :) 10:33:17 *** Milloflex [ABC123@h-85-185.A175.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 10:34:00 <frosch123> you should not ask, but commiserate 10:34:46 <Milloflex> understood. 10:35:03 <frosch123> :) 10:35:12 <Milloflex> ;-) 10:35:27 <Milloflex> time for breakfast, brb 10:48:00 *** ArSeN [~duplexity@p5490FDE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:06 <z-MaTRiX> hi 10:48:20 *** ArSeN [~duplexity@p5490FDE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 10:48:27 <Alberth> frosch123: yes, good post. "es macht auch ?berhaupt keinen Sinn die originale Spielidee mit immer mehr zus?tzlichen Spielkonzeptionen zu ?berfrachten." (it doesn't make sense to 'overload' the original game idea with more and more additional game concepts.) 10:49:05 <frosch123> I did not mean that post :p 10:49:38 <Alberth> I skipped some parts, too many difficult words :p 10:53:25 <frosch123> the italic part is the most interesting part 10:56:37 *** goodger__ is now known as goodger 11:05:56 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:02 <Alberth> :) 11:35:54 <Ammler> "You're seeing this error because you have DEBUG = True in your Django settings file." 11:38:16 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 11:42:04 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B811C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:16 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8103D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:44:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:48:40 *** Jerre [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:48:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:43 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.8.104.133] has joined #openttd 12:15:55 <insulfrog> hi 12:16:33 <SmatZ> hello insulfrog 12:22:10 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B451F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:26:33 <Milloflex> is there anyway to change singal type trough any hotkey? 'S' brings up the singal, that i know. 12:27:00 <el_en> did you mean: signal 12:27:10 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r16264 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_tile.hpp: -Change/Fix (r16262): [NoAI] Change SLOPE_INVALID to 0xFFFF so that SLOPE_INVALID != (SLOPE_ELEVATED | SLOPE_STEEP | SLOPE_HALFTILE_MASK). 12:27:22 <TrueBrain> el_en: I think we can safely assume he did mean that .. don't be a jerk ;) 12:28:39 <el_en> TrueBrain: if someone systematically misspells a word, mentioning about it is not enough for being a jerk. 12:29:18 <TrueBrain> el_en: lol, I didn't know there was a written scale of when you are a jerk and not ;) :) :) 12:30:00 <petern> there need not be one 12:30:10 <el_en> something new to learn every day :) 12:30:16 <TrueBrain> ghehe 12:30:20 <petern> yeah, like how to spell signal 12:33:04 <el_en> it's not spelled "singal" even in swedish. 12:33:46 <TrueBrain> we can't all be as briliant as you two 12:35:54 <Milloflex> found some strange begavior in a trin intersection where the train aren't moving even though it has a clear path. anyone would like to see the save game? 12:36:45 <insulfrog> yes please, what OTTD build is the savegame for and what GRFs used in it? 12:37:07 <Westie> Milloflex: Signals? 12:37:21 <insulfrog> electrification? 12:37:22 * Westie runs 12:37:35 <Milloflex> Westie, signals 12:38:04 <Westie> (off topic) hand or red-indian smoke? 12:39:07 <Milloflex> insulfrog, ehm... i'm using the released stable version. maybe this has been fixed already i dont know. where can i see what GRF and build? 12:40:13 <insulfrog> if you're using the most stable build, its not a problem, send me the savegame anyway, what the heck :p 12:41:07 <Alberth> Milloflex: if it is an electric train, try upgrading the tracks to electrical. It should fail. 12:42:20 <insulfrog> also, make sure that up tracks are not connected the down tracks by mistake 12:42:50 <insulfrog> (and vice verser) 12:43:19 <el_en> english only, no latin! ;) 12:43:51 <frosch123> which latin? 12:43:56 <insulfrog> bbl 12:43:58 <Westie> *vice verca 12:44:02 <TrueBrain> that latin pig over there 12:44:04 *** insulfrog is now known as insulfrog_bbl 12:44:12 <Westie> If you want to do latin 12:44:13 <Westie> GET IT RIGHT 12:44:14 <Westie> :3 12:44:33 <el_en> insulfrog_bbl: how important are you? 12:44:46 <frosch123> Westie: vice versa 12:44:57 <Westie> good job 12:45:38 <frosch123> If you want to do latin ... :p 12:52:57 <Ammler> It seems not that easy with industries, like it was with the houses. (lower production <1930) 12:53:52 * jonty-comp is now running a cargodest+is2 server 12:54:02 <jonty-comp> it seems to work, surprisingly 12:54:06 <jonty-comp> although I haven't done much yet 12:54:46 <jonty-comp> I had to change the version string to norev000 though, because alain compiled the win32 binary like that and VC++ won't compile it at all 12:54:56 <jonty-comp> it compiles the dedicated fine in linux though 12:55:21 <frosch123> Ammler: if you do not care about the default placement rules (like sirkoz) you can override the industries without the need to define new graphics 12:57:30 <Ammler> I just like everything like it is, just reduced production, so the horses can handle it. 13:02:56 *** insulfrog_bbl is now known as insulfrog 13:03:21 <insulfrog> back from lunch is me :) 13:04:07 <TrueBrain> stupid python ... I can't seem to import a package with the same name as the file I am in now from site-package 13:05:33 <insulfrog> now, back to the savegame that you sent me to look at 13:09:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.198.121] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:50 <insulfrog> hmm, the jam on the savegame is caused by the trains breaking down and causing a tailback, what I would suuggest is that I would upgrade to quad track with frequent crossovers with PBS 13:16:37 *** Rubidium_ is now known as Rubidium 13:17:38 <insulfrog> also, there is no need for pre-signals to be 2-way 13:21:51 * insulfrog looks for the actual junction in question where the problem is located 13:23:35 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16265 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.cpp network_udp.cpp): -Fix (r16238): wrong format string for debug output 13:33:40 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-66-158.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:43:50 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:36 <insulfrog> Milloflex, I have been looking at the savegame you sent me and there are a couple of things that I like to point out. 13:46:48 *** KenjiE20|SSH [~KenjiE20@92.9.43.228] has joined #openttd 13:47:28 <Milloflex> my bad? 13:47:51 <Milloflex> insulfrog. 13:47:56 <insulfrog> for the current junctions, there is very little use of PBS, thus junctions are not very effective 13:49:14 <insulfrog> most of the traffic jams are caused by trains breaking down - those lines, you could quadruple with frequent crossovers 13:50:04 <insulfrog> also make sure that the lines are actually complete 13:50:27 <insulfrog> also, the pre-signals does not need to be 2-way 13:50:53 <insulfrog> (btw, which company colour are you?) 13:55:50 <insulfrog> I believe that is it :) 13:58:13 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm60.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:03:52 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04:18 *** dfox [~dfox@r11jn246.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 14:07:30 <Milloflex> insulfrog, ehm.. "milloflex". not sure which color that was... green? 14:07:46 <insulfrog> sorry :) 14:08:04 <Milloflex> PBS? 14:08:33 <insulfrog> path based signalling 14:08:57 <Milloflex> are you talking about the junctions at the train station, or at a junction in no-where? 14:09:11 <insulfrog> one of your signals is back-to-front 14:09:17 <Milloflex> i see... well i'm using the quite a lot i think? maybe you were looking at the wrong color? 14:09:26 <Milloflex> oh ok 14:09:42 <Milloflex> i saved the game at (what I though was) the problem area 14:10:30 <insulfrog> near flunningpool, one of the PBS signals is facing the wrong way 14:12:11 <Milloflex> oh, ok 14:12:15 <Milloflex> sry about that 14:15:39 <insulfrog> also in the same area, the combo pre-signal at the entrance to flunningpool central should be a 2-way PBS signal (the PBS signal without the crossbeam) 14:17:37 <insulfrog> (hmm, what else is there?) 14:19:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-9-30-116.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-9-30-116.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 14:20:59 *** Brianett1 [~brian@client-82-9-30-116.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 14:22:46 <Milloflex> feels scary to use the 2-way PBS even though no trains can enter from the "behind" when there is a train at the station... :p 14:22:58 <Milloflex> so... 2-ways PBS on all the station i guess 14:23:11 <Brianett1> insulfrog? I have those on my layout. 14:23:36 <insulfrog> good aren't they :p 14:24:09 *** Brianetta is now known as Guest1543 14:24:09 *** Brianett1 is now known as brianetta 14:24:20 *** brianetta is now known as Brianetta 14:24:48 <Brianetta> They're OK 14:24:58 <insulfrog> ahem anyway, 2 way PBS is the way to go, only use 1 way PBS when you want the train to only trains to go one way (like on ro-ro stations) 14:25:32 <Brianetta> I use one way PBS betwen PBS areas and automatically signalled lines 14:25:44 <insulfrog> also put PBS where you want trains to stop (such as entrance of junctions) 14:26:42 <insulfrog> but never on exits 14:26:55 <Milloflex> yeah 14:26:58 <Brianetta> never? 14:26:59 <Milloflex> sucks switching between them when building 14:27:05 <Brianetta> I've had good reason to do that in the past 14:27:26 <Booth> use a reverse PBS on exit to creat a track penalty 14:27:35 <Milloflex> i asked before, but i'll ask again - is there any hotkeys to switch between signals when building? 14:27:40 <Brianetta> basically, when the area after the junction is even more sensitive to blockage than the junction itself. 14:28:00 <Booth> press crtl on a PC 14:28:09 <Milloflex> ctrl and then what? 14:28:12 <Booth> and it cycles through all possible signal layouts 14:28:14 <Booth> click 14:28:16 <Milloflex> oh ok 14:28:18 <Milloflex> thanks alot 14:28:27 <Booth> or use teh signal GUI 14:28:46 <Milloflex> would prefer not :p 14:29:37 <Milloflex> take time to move the coursor up there every time 14:31:49 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejl244.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:44:26 <insulfrog> I have not played openttd multiplayer for a while, I might have a go on a server at some point 14:44:51 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:47:02 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 14:47:12 <z-MaTRiX> helo :) 14:47:20 <insulfrog> I used to like playing on the 'fair play' and the 'openttdcoop' servers, I think I have played once or maybe twice on the 'Brianetta's standard' server 14:47:27 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:56:11 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:58:02 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:59:01 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:59:07 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B451F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:05:49 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:06:38 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:07:07 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:55 *** goodger__ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:11:29 <insulfrog> Has anyone managed to get onto Brianetta's Standard server's web site www.ppcis.org/standard/ ? 15:12:31 <Rubidium> yes 15:12:37 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:13:44 <Rubidium> actually, Brianetta: on http://www.ppcis.org/standard/rules.cgi there's a 'repeeated' which would like to get rid of an 'e' ;) 15:13:59 *** insulfrog1 [~trainslov@92.17.239.160] has joined #openttd 15:14:57 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:29 *** goodger_ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:15:46 <TrueBrain> where is Belugas if you need him :p 15:16:12 <z-MaTRiX> hello 15:16:15 <z-MaTRiX> ;> 15:16:23 * frosch123 feeds the birds 15:16:29 <el_en> z-MaTRiX: will you be Belugas tonight? 15:17:14 <z-MaTRiX> what do you mean by "Belugas"? 15:17:26 <Milloflex> insulfrog, yeah you should go play some multiplayer. ;-) 15:17:32 <frosch123> belugas is a species of wale 15:17:42 <TrueBrain> smells good when baked 15:17:44 <Milloflex> hm. is there a way to merge two stations that isn't next to each other? 15:18:03 <Milloflex> cause i've seen ppl place 1x1 stations ~4 tails away and they would stay connected i belive 15:18:07 <Rubidium> frosch123: belugas is plural ;) 15:18:32 <frosch123> ok, next try: beluga is a species of whale 15:18:37 <z-MaTRiX> i don't getit 15:18:42 *** Jerre [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 15:18:46 *** goodger__ [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:47 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-151-9-150.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:18:55 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:18:57 <frosch123> Milloflex: press ctrl while building the station 15:19:08 <Milloflex> ctrl all over 15:19:14 <Milloflex> thanks frosch123. 15:19:22 <insulfrog1> Has anyone managed to get onto Brianetta's Standard server's web site www.ppcis.org/standard/ ? 15:19:24 <frosch123> or build a big station and use the remove tool to destroy single tiles 15:19:32 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.8.104.133] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:44 <z-MaTRiX> [171629] el_en z-MaTRiX: will you be Belugas tonight? - why would i be a whale tonight? 15:19:44 *** insulfrog1 is now known as insulfrog 15:19:46 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.43.228] has joined #openttd 15:19:54 <Rubidium> insulfrog: yes 15:20:19 *** KenjiE20|SSH [~KenjiE20@92.9.43.228] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.2.6] 15:20:21 <petern> oh no, sirxavious is complaining at me, what shall i do!!! 15:20:31 <insulfrog> well, I can't manage to get on, as it always asks me to DL something 15:20:35 <frosch123> the matrix just got modified 15:21:17 *** goodger [~ben@host81-153-25-167.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:21:28 <petern> insulfrog, download the grf pack from that website 15:22:09 <insulfrog> its not the GRF, its the web site 15:22:23 <el_en> *it's 15:22:25 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:28 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:34 <insulfrog> I can't access the www.ppcis.org/standard/ web site 15:22:43 <petern> with firefox? 15:22:44 <Rubidium> insulfrog: then slap your ISP's peering 15:23:12 <Sacro> works fine here 15:23:13 <z-MaTRiX> server pinged out 15:23:17 <insulfrog> no, with internet explorer 15:23:28 <Forked> the website works just fine here 15:23:31 <petern> probably IE being stupid about xhtml then 15:23:37 <insulfrog> hmm... 15:23:40 <petern> which is only several years old 15:23:44 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r16266 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_tile.hpp: -Documentation: [NoAI] Add details to AITile::(Raise|Lower)Tile wrt. modifiing multiple corners at once. 15:23:51 <Milloflex> http://www.ppcis.org/standard/ works for me 15:24:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r16267 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_types.hpp: -Documentation: [NoAI] Explain how to deal with IDs of various objects. 15:25:52 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8103D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:16 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host86-152-54-209.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:28:13 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=43449&start=40 <- is that supposed to be a single tile in ultra-ultra-hyper-zoom ? 15:29:13 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0F07F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:47 <TrueBrain> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=109366 <- still looks cool :) 15:31:55 <Alberth> TB: somewhat less parking space would be preferable 15:32:03 <Milloflex> if you have 'enable signal gui' enabled and CTRL click when placing the first signal, it places a semaphore even though 'auto build semephore after year' is past. is this correct behavior? 15:32:06 <TrueBrain> not talking about what is exactly in the image :) 15:33:29 *** DR_Jekyll [DrJekyll@p57B0E64A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:28 <Alberth> Milloflex: yes, see http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals 15:34:38 <Milloflex> (if you disable signal gui and CTRL click setting the first signal is places a electric signal) 15:34:41 <Milloflex> ok 15:35:31 <Alberth> hmm, weird. I'd expect consistent behavior. 15:35:38 <Milloflex> yeah me too :p 15:37:54 <Alberth> it is consistent for me. you also have to disable the 'enable signal gui' advanced setting 15:37:56 <Milloflex> i hate semaphores. they should really not be the default ones if 'auto build semaphore after year' is past. 15:38:33 <Rubidium> building signals with CTRL pressed toggles the electric/semaphore state 15:39:31 <TrueBrain> why do people always feel the need to contact you via PMs?! 15:39:47 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 15:39:49 <z-MaTRiX> heheh 15:40:03 <Milloflex> i know i know 15:40:06 <Milloflex> feels more private 15:40:18 <TrueBrain> I don't like people feeling my privates 15:40:20 <z-MaTRiX> thinking on reply 15:40:31 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: because they desperately want to be on your ignore list (or have something important to talk to you about, although that's less likely to happen) 15:42:09 <z-MaTRiX> people get dizzy from many lines being written on a channel, and trying to get less talk to the channel by opening PMs? As a side effect, developers PM-s will become crowded ;> 15:42:49 <TrueBrain> if you find IRC confusing, use the forum 15:42:51 <TrueBrain> simple as that 15:42:57 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:43:02 <TrueBrain> you can't randomly harrash developers because you have a question :) 15:43:11 <insulfrog> hmm... 15:43:12 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r16268 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp town_cmd.cpp): -Fix (r9876): When callback 2E returns an amount of 0, do not transport 1 unit to the station. 15:43:32 <frosch123> TrueBrain was wondering about 'nice' numbers, wasn't he? 15:43:48 <TrueBrain> you find 16268 nice? 15:43:53 <frosch123> 9876 15:43:58 <TrueBrain> ghehe 15:44:00 <TrueBrain> ;) 15:44:18 <Rubidium> why not callback 2B? ;) 15:44:25 <z-MaTRiX> :) 15:44:25 <Milloflex> Alberth, my bad. i was dragging the mouse while placing signals. thus the "diffrent" behavior. 15:44:36 <Alberth> k 15:44:59 * insulfrog is wondering why http://ppcis.org/standard is getting a 404 error while trying to load 15:45:12 <TrueBrain> omg, how long can you go on about that url? 15:45:19 <TrueBrain> find Brianetta and ask him or something 15:45:31 <Sacro> insulfrog: what browser? 15:45:47 <insulfrog> Internet Explorer and AOL 15:46:40 <Sacro> Ah 15:46:44 <Sacro> IE shouldn't work on that website 15:46:53 <Sacro> as it uses application/xhtml+xml as it should 15:47:38 <insulfrog> but that is with IE7 but I have not tried it with IE8 yet 15:47:51 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db01642.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:48:56 <insulfrog> some may reccomend firefox but I'm not sure if it will conflict with AOL or not 15:49:09 <Sacro> nope, firefox would be fine 15:49:10 <TrueBrain> lol ... AOL shuts you down for using FireFox yes 15:49:58 <Sacro> does it? 15:50:04 <insulfrog> (I could always set up a restore point) 15:50:21 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 15:50:43 <Sacro> that'd make... no difference 15:51:15 <TrueBrain> btw, Sacro, it is a flaw of the website. as indicated by http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/#application-xhtml-xml: "agents that explicitly indicate they support this media type" 15:52:13 <TrueBrain> so it doesn't use application/xhtml+xml 'as it should' ;) (ghehe :)) 15:52:34 <Sacro> TrueBrain: the w3c also state that sending xhtml as text/html is wrong 15:52:58 <TrueBrain> but in this case is very explicit not allowed to send application/xhtml+xml when the agent doesn't say it supports it :) 15:53:10 <TrueBrain> so even if text/html is wrong, this is more wrong ;) 15:54:58 <Sacro> hmm 15:55:10 <Sacro> unless he uses the php header script that does it automagically 15:55:15 <Sacro> i've not checked his source 15:55:21 <TrueBrain> clearly it fails, so ;) 15:55:50 <TrueBrain> but I should remember this trick to disallow IE access :) 15:56:02 <Sacro> Yeah 15:56:12 <Sacro> IE doesn't understand application/xhtml+xml 15:56:18 <Sacro> it will offer the site as a download 15:56:23 <Sacro> rather than rendering it 15:56:48 <TrueBrain> design choice, nothing wrong with that 15:57:07 <TrueBrain> (well, the lack of support is of course something different ;)) 15:58:50 <Sacro> hmmm 15:59:46 <TrueBrain> btw, in this case text/html is valid by w3c 16:00:25 <TrueBrain> (no namespaces are used :)) 16:00:36 <Sacro> hmm 16:01:18 <TrueBrain> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/#compatGuidelines <- when it complies with this, text/html is allowed by w3c ;) 16:02:16 <TrueBrain> it basicly sums up what makes a page HTML compatible :p Ghehe :) 16:03:03 <Milloflex> "<TrueBrain> lol ... AOL shuts you down for using FireFox yes" ?? 16:03:24 <TrueBrain> people really don't understand sarcasm ... 16:03:34 <Milloflex> didn't see the hole conversation 16:03:34 <Milloflex> :p 16:03:41 <Milloflex> was away eating and stuff 16:03:44 <TrueBrain> that line alone should be enough to detect that 16:03:49 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:03:49 <Milloflex> BUT ok! 16:03:55 <TrueBrain> and even if not: don't comment on it if you don't followed the conversation 16:04:04 <Milloflex> i didnt 16:04:05 <Milloflex> just asked 16:04:21 <TrueBrain> still failing to detect sarcasm 16:04:46 <z-MaTRiX> bored developers can tell me what does the fast forward button do? 16:04:54 <TrueBrain> it fast forwards the game 16:04:56 <TrueBrain> oh no .. suprise! :) 16:04:58 <z-MaTRiX> it was not much faster than without it 16:05:43 <z-MaTRiX> maeby i have a low-end computer 16:05:48 <Milloflex> TrueBrain, "we can't all be as brilliant as you" ;-) 16:05:48 <TrueBrain> normally every tick has 30ms between them (if the game can keep up with it) 16:05:53 <Yexo> then a) you were using a debug build or b) your computer isn't fast enough 16:06:02 <TrueBrain> fastforward removes the sleep 16:06:12 <TrueBrain> (and so the games runs as fast as possible) 16:06:36 <z-MaTRiX> oh so it must be my computer's limit 16:06:53 <TrueBrain> well .. 3000 trains requires a bit of CPU :p 16:07:01 <Yexo> as do 2048x2048 maps 16:07:13 <z-MaTRiX> AI is so CPU intensive? :) 16:07:17 <TrueBrain> can be, yes 16:07:18 <Yexo> that too 16:07:22 <TrueBrain> 15 AIs tend to do :p 16:07:41 <z-MaTRiX> ok thank you, i see 16:07:56 <TrueBrain> disabling full animation is an other nice thing to do 16:08:07 <z-MaTRiX> to speed up? 16:08:09 <TrueBrain> yup 16:08:12 <TrueBrain> even more in 32bpp :p 16:08:49 <z-MaTRiX> i guess AI should eat way more CPU than graphics am i right? 16:08:50 <TrueBrain> running pixel-animation is not that quick on modern computers :) 16:08:58 <TrueBrain> depends on a lot of things 16:09:11 <TrueBrain> when your AI is wrightAI, and you run 32bpp zoom-out on 3320x1080 16:09:26 <TrueBrain> than graphic takes more CPU 16:09:40 <z-MaTRiX> yep, tried it :) 16:09:46 <TrueBrain> I mean, dah 16:09:52 <TrueBrain> you can make everything slower than something else 16:09:56 <z-MaTRiX> this is reason there are no more zoom out levels? 16:10:11 <TrueBrain> don't think so 16:10:21 <TrueBrain> (well, I am pretty sure :p) 16:10:31 <TrueBrain> tiles are 64x32 pixels 16:10:36 <TrueBrain> zoom-out is now 16x 16:10:42 <TrueBrain> that makes each tiles 4x2 16:10:49 <TrueBrain> I don't think we can draw tiles anymore if you zoom out any more :) 16:11:08 <TrueBrain> (or was 8x max zoom-out? I only remember I once made 16x :p) 16:11:14 <z-MaTRiX> only with AA AF 16:11:57 <z-MaTRiX> ok get the point 16:12:07 <TrueBrain> 8x is the current max 16:12:11 <TrueBrain> so each tiles is just 8x4 16:12:15 <TrueBrain> like ... REALLY small :) 16:12:41 <z-MaTRiX> anyway it would be a map-like look 16:12:51 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD limits are rarely there because of the CPU 16:12:59 <TrueBrain> for that you have the minimap ;) 16:13:19 <frosch123> which also would need some zoom :p 16:13:29 <TrueBrain> zoomable minimap would be nice :) 16:13:34 <z-MaTRiX> :) 16:13:46 <TrueBrain> minimap still needs a complete rewrite :) Nasty piece of code ..... 16:13:58 <TrueBrain> one of the few places I never understood ... at all .... 16:14:00 <z-MaTRiX> just thought about a mini magnifier around mouse cursor when zoomed out full extent 16:14:52 <z-MaTRiX> so more accurate autoplacing could be done in a long railroad line 16:15:22 <Yexo> somebody already made a patch for that recetly 16:15:28 <z-MaTRiX> wow 16:15:43 <z-MaTRiX> know the name ? 16:15:55 <Yexo> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=43473 tracking viewport 16:16:07 <z-MaTRiX> ty cool 16:16:40 <petern> people still use AOL? haha 16:17:17 <z-MaTRiX> tell you worse, people still use msn! 16:17:36 <z-MaTRiX> and they click on the password stealing links, give pass 16:17:36 <el_en> msn, the network superior to internet? 16:19:30 <TrueBrain> z-MaTRiX: could you follow the conversation?! :) :) 16:20:29 <z-MaTRiX> oh sry 16:20:51 <TrueBrain> hahahaha :) 16:21:14 <Westie> z-Matrix: That sucks, all of my friends have got that 'Westie, IS THAT YOU? LOLOLOOLOL' ettc. 16:22:08 <z-MaTRiX> yep, how much cooler would it be if it would say "get linux, play OpenTTD!" 16:22:49 <petern> bootable openttd cd :D 16:24:09 <Sacro> epic 16:24:37 <insulfrog> bbl 16:24:39 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.17.239.160] has quit [Quit: hi] 16:25:21 <z-MaTRiX> btw how can it be done to have greater resolution with mouse pointing if using a viewport? 16:27:54 <z-MaTRiX> was thinking about mouse moves "zoomed out", so relative in "zoomed in area" mouse would move n-times fast 16:29:25 <yorick> z-MaTRiX: but with the zoomed in viewport, you can see where you're pointing 16:29:58 <z-MaTRiX> yes it's a cool feature 16:41:23 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 16:42:04 <z-MaTRiX> hahah 16:42:54 <z-MaTRiX> that was ethereal 16:58:40 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 17:03:59 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c8a5:d53f:49ea:eff7] has joined #openttd 17:04:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:07:10 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-246.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:12:09 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm60.epsilon180.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:13:41 *** SHRIKEE [~shrikee@84-105-52-246.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Quit: SHRIKEE] 17:14:37 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 17:22:51 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:27:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE93.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:27:38 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16269 /trunk/src/ (21 files in 6 dirs): 17:27:38 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: use gcc's ability to check parameters sent to printf-like functions 17:27:38 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix: wrong number of parameters or wrong parameter types sent to printf-like functions at several places 17:30:57 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:15 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 17:34:05 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 17:36:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82A6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:36:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:37:13 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.82.94.4] has joined #openttd 17:44:07 *** batti5 is now known as batti5_ 17:46:43 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:03 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 17:58:18 <TrueBrain> LA LA LA! 17:59:08 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C05A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:59:28 *** batti5_ [~batti5@92.82.94.4] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:55 *** batti5 [~batti5@92.82.94.4] has joined #openttd 18:01:57 <jonty-comp> ba ba ti ki di do 18:02:05 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 18:02:45 *** batti5 is now known as batti5_ 18:04:17 <yorick> any reason why you can only ban 25 ips and no more? 18:04:30 *** batti5_ is now known as batti5 18:04:47 <TrueBrain> suggestion: ban 0.0.0.0/0 18:05:05 <yorick> then where would I get my players 18:05:24 <TrueBrain> if you want to ban 25 IPs or more, I think you don't want any either way 18:05:38 <yorick> but why was it 25 18:06:06 <SmatZ> why it shouldn't be 25? 18:06:13 <SmatZ> would 24 be better or what? 18:06:16 <yorick> because I want to ban more people than 25 18:06:20 <Rubidium> is it 25? 18:06:24 <SmatZ> then use trunk 18:06:36 <yorick> was it changed? 18:07:25 <yorick> nvm 18:08:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.219.249] has joined #openttd 18:09:20 *** batti5 is now known as batti5_ 18:09:30 *** batti5_ is now known as batti5 18:10:20 *** batti5 is now known as batti5_ 18:11:39 * yorick inspects the posibility of backporting r15931 to 0.7 18:18:21 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: Human slaves! In an insect nation! 18:18:32 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: did you see it? 18:18:58 <Prof_Frink> Saw the end of it. 18:19:35 <Sacro> ooh 18:19:40 <Sacro> it's on iplayre 18:19:46 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:06 <Prof_Frink> I shall watch it after the GP. 18:21:20 * Prof_Frink has spent a nice day on the crag 18:21:38 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet535.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 18:21:54 <petern> that's what she said 18:22:47 <Prof_Frink> What, have Jill or Stella been here? 18:22:53 <Sacro> ahh 18:23:02 <Chrill> shag 18:23:03 <Sacro> STELLAAAAAAAAAAAA 18:23:07 <Sacro> STELLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 18:23:16 * Sacro watnts to watch s treetcar named desire 18:23:25 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [] 18:25:07 <SmatZ> yorick: if you want over 25 bans in 0.7, increase some magic constant 18:30:08 * petern plays with... yet another synth 18:32:56 <TrueBrain> and? :) 18:34:19 <Hirundo> Bug report: In the news ticker, strings are truncated too early. 18:34:34 <TrueBrain> Bug tracker: http://bugs.openttd.org 18:35:25 <SmatZ> wasn't that changed/fixed few weeks ago? 18:38:10 <Hirundo> It's in IS development build, which was last synced at.... 18:38:25 <Hirundo> r16260 18:38:44 <Rubidium> that doesn't mean IS doesn't introduce the bug 18:40:29 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 18:44:29 *** orava [~rain@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:49:10 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16270 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/shared/ (debug.h stdafx.h): [MSU] -Fix: compile failures due to updates in trunk 18:50:45 <petern> TrueBrain, one can never have enough synths 18:50:54 <petern> although... mine are all software :s 18:52:03 <TrueBrain> petern: I have a 'real' one .. that is .. keyboard with midi output :p 18:52:11 <TrueBrain> just no midi input in my computer .. hmm .. so useless :p 18:55:31 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r16271 /trunk/bin/ai/regression/regression.txt: -Fix (r16264) [NoAI]: make regression failed 18:58:00 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82A6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 18:58:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82A6E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:58:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:58:25 <tokai> oups.. wrong menu 18:58:36 <SmatZ> :-) 18:58:47 <petern> well, keyboard with midi output to pc with software synth :D 18:58:53 <petern> although the midi is over usb 18:59:04 <petern> which, of course, works perfectly well in linux but nothing else 18:59:05 <orava> Hey, is cargodist just "better" version of cargodest? 18:59:13 <petern> no, it's a 'different' version 18:59:19 <TrueBrain> midi over usb .. that is a nice idea 18:59:31 <petern> it's standard 18:59:39 <petern> just this keyboard is awkward, heh 18:59:43 <petern> it's part of the usb audio stuff 18:59:57 <petern> you can of course get usb to midi adapters 19:00:01 <orava> petern: but those 2 main point is same, to have destinations to gargo? 19:00:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:00:46 <TrueBrain> guess I need an adapter here ;) 19:05:54 <TrueBrain> 30 euros .. pfff ... 19:10:14 <petern> can be cheaper than that 19:12:17 <glx> build it yourself :) 19:12:22 <TrueBrain> to usb? 19:12:29 <TrueBrain> is a bit hard to do in a way you can reuse it :p 19:12:42 <glx> usb pic 19:12:55 <TrueBrain> reuse is not the word .. euh .. robust 19:13:39 <glx> I built an usb "adapter" for my sega genesis pads 19:15:05 <TrueBrain> I once built a XLR controller via USB 19:15:10 <TrueBrain> worked for like ... 3 months :p 19:15:15 <TrueBrain> then I dropped it .. didn't survive :p 19:15:31 *** Hirundo_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 19:15:34 <glx> it works better than the parallel port adapter (for the same pads) I used before 19:17:05 <glx> anyway my usb adpater doesn't look bad externally (but don't open the box ;) ) 19:17:24 <TrueBrain> ghehe 19:18:16 <glx> parallel port was clean too (all inside the db25 case) 19:22:39 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:00 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:25:13 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 19:27:18 <z-MaTRiX> writing music for OTTD ? 19:27:34 <FR^2> Hmm. Cool, that version 0.7 :) 19:28:14 <FR^2> Maybe I'll write an AI myself copying my strange style of playing *g* 19:28:19 <z-MaTRiX> 0.8 is better 19:28:32 <Xaroth> 0.8 isn't released yet. 19:28:45 * TrueBrain releases 0.8 19:28:48 <z-MaTRiX> :) 19:28:50 <Xaroth> now it is 19:29:01 <z-MaTRiX> no don't do it, it would cause a paradoxon 19:29:05 <Alberth> 0.8 jumps away into the free air 19:29:19 <dihedral> hop 19:29:58 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226197010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:30:24 <TrueBrain> oh noes, a dihedral 19:30:28 * FR^2 patches the sources to show version "0.9.0" 19:30:30 * frosch123 shoots it down :p 19:30:32 <FR^2> Ha, mine is even better! 19:30:54 * TrueBrain commits a patch which will kill FR^2's computer 19:31:07 <FR^2> :( 19:31:26 <Alberth> FR^2: changelog of 0.9.0 seems a bit short. It needs some more hacking. 19:31:41 <FR^2> Alberth: Hm. How about random indentation of the sourcecode? 19:31:54 <Alberth> that is not changelog worthy 19:32:01 <TrueBrain> how does that effect a changelog? 19:32:18 <FR^2> And then simply taking the log of the vcs ;) 19:32:20 <Alberth> it garbles the log :p 19:32:44 <TrueBrain> I ahven't played my keyboard in ages .... 19:33:10 * z-MaTRiX writes OpenTTD in ASM and optimizes for speed, then gives version 1.0 19:33:29 <TrueBrain> why not directly in C#? 19:33:31 <TrueBrain> or in Python? 19:33:31 <FR^2> Hmm. Or how about running an obfuscator over the sources, commit and then try to find suitable variable and filenames etc? *eg* 19:33:44 <TrueBrain> or the worst suggestion ever: in java 19:34:02 <TrueBrain> FR^2: we already have that; we call it TTD 19:34:04 <FR^2> Oh, someone knows what he's talking about, heh? 19:34:26 <FR^2> Well, anyway, enough kidding. I'll spare you more of my flat jokes. Good night everyone. 19:34:32 <TrueBrain> night FR^2 19:34:49 <FR^2> night TrueBrain 19:34:51 <z-MaTRiX> byte 19:35:10 <frosch123> you should do more traditional things, like: as ottd can execute squirrel you should of course rewrite ottd in squirrel 19:35:40 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 19:35:47 <TrueBrain> frosch123: and then make squirrel compile in squirrel, bootstrap it, and tada! :) 19:35:59 <SmatZ> :-D 19:36:48 <Rubidium> writing it in NewGRF would be much better! :) 19:36:57 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: now that is just silly 19:36:57 * frosch123 wonders whether FR^2 always used that leave message of whether he choosed it matching to the discussion 19:37:15 <TrueBrain> Taten is ..? 19:37:35 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051117147.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:36 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 19:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause> "deeds" 19:37:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "actions" 19:38:32 <frosch123> TrueBrain: it is similiar to those things which are usually said about sirxavius in this channel 19:38:43 <frosch123> stop talking, do something 19:38:50 <TrueBrain> sirwho? :) 19:39:10 <z-MaTRiX> have you been thinking about including an mp3 player in game? 19:39:18 <TrueBrain> who? 19:39:21 <frosch123> orudge already did 19:39:31 <frosch123> (afaik) 19:40:15 <frosch123> TrueBrain: the ottd+500 gui 19:40:42 <z-MaTRiX> oh wrong time sorry 19:40:45 <TrueBrain> frosch123: ah :) 19:40:51 <frosch123> where 500 means the number of topics opened or so 19:41:01 <TrueBrain> Well, I still don't find it that odd that he tries to motivate others to do the job .. je need those people too ;) still amazing he got this far with his ideas and shit 19:41:56 <frosch123> judging by the "old topic" he spent two years writing those stuff down. so yes, not everyone could do that. 19:42:04 <TrueBrain> most give up after N days :) 19:42:11 <TrueBrain> well .. most sane people ;) 19:42:13 <frosch123> and 5 lines :p 19:42:22 <TrueBrain> but .. without insane people, the world could not survive :) 19:42:41 <z-MaTRiX> but it is fun asking same things as N people does daily :) 19:42:42 <Rubidium> without insane people there are no sane people 19:42:51 <TrueBrain> "Never tell a young person that something cannot be done. God may have been waiting for centuries for somebody ignorant enough of the impossibility to do that thing." --Dr. J.A. Holmes 19:44:07 * frosch123 is an old chap 19:44:35 * z-MaTRiX age -99 19:44:43 <TrueBrain> my age overflowed twice already 19:44:45 <TrueBrain> really annoying 19:45:10 <TrueBrain> I should be more nerdy, and start using three times 19:45:38 <z-MaTRiX> define time plz 19:45:39 <frosch123> do you measure it with one bcd digit? 19:45:48 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: you shouldn't count your age with your fingers! ;) 19:46:00 <TrueBrain> frosch123: first one, yes .. considered it stupid, so started to use 4 bits :p 19:46:13 <TrueBrain> 3 bits 19:46:15 <TrueBrain> hmm 19:46:16 <TrueBrain> what ever! 19:46:18 <TrueBrain> STOP ANNOYING ME! 19:46:33 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@2001:1af8:fe2e:115::2] has left #openttd [okay ;)] 19:46:45 <Xaroth> o_O 19:46:53 <frosch123> oh noes, now he will again sit in the corner for one week 19:46:56 <frosch123> :p 19:47:14 <TrueBrain> he, don't judge a person for him fancying a corner ;) 19:47:21 *** PeteT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:38 <PeteT> !help 19:47:38 *** PeteT was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 19:47:43 <Xaroth> har har 19:47:45 * Xaroth was waiting for that 19:47:59 <TrueBrain> I only read about this way of kicking 19:48:02 <TrueBrain> never seen it in action 19:48:07 * TrueBrain feels all warm and fuzzy now :) 19:49:08 *** PeteT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:09 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db01642.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: gn8] 19:49:13 <PeteT> hi 19:49:16 <PeteT> !help 19:49:16 *** PeteT was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 19:49:22 <frosch123> :o 19:49:26 <Xaroth> donkey, stone, twice 19:49:50 *** PeteT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:14 <PeteT> hello 19:50:42 <frosch123> hi 19:50:56 <welshdragon> PeteT: say !help 19:50:59 <PeteT> no 19:51:04 <PeteT> i always get kicked 19:51:12 <PeteT> when i type !help 19:51:19 <welshdragon> you're a smart one 19:51:27 <PeteT> You have been kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek (Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.) 19:51:33 <PeteT> thats what it says 19:51:37 <PeteT> but why does it kick? 19:51:49 <frosch123> try with reading what it says 19:51:53 <glx> because we don't have this command :) 19:52:01 <Alberth> too many people typing wrong commands 19:53:27 <Pikka> !help 19:53:29 *** Pikka was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 19:53:37 *** Pikka [~PikkaBird@CPE-124-187-66-158.qld.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 19:53:39 <Xaroth> donkey, stone, thrice? 19:53:42 <Pikka> wut :D 19:54:19 * planetmaker wonders what people consider entertainment 19:54:28 <PeteT> how do you do that? 19:54:42 <PeteT> planet maker wonders what people consider entertainment 19:54:53 <Xaroth> /me text 19:54:54 <PeteT> do you just add a "*" to the front? 19:55:01 <Alberth> try /help /action 19:55:09 <Xaroth> planetmaker: That, most likely. 19:55:27 <PeteT> asdf 19:55:31 <yorick> * doesn't wonder how people do this 19:55:46 <Xaroth> yorick fails once again :P 19:55:48 <planetmaker> hehe, Xaroth obviously :) 19:55:59 <yorick> Xaroth: if I want to fail, and fail, do I still fail? 19:56:04 <planetmaker> PeteT: I type "/me sais something fancy" 19:56:07 *** el_en is now known as You 19:56:17 * yorick is now known as We 19:56:18 <Xaroth> yep, you succeed at your attempt to fail, as such, you fail at failing because you succeeded 19:56:36 * You have been kicked. 19:56:40 <TrueBrain> @kick You granted 19:56:40 *** You was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [granted] 19:56:43 <Xaroth> haha 19:56:49 <yorick> :D 19:56:51 <planetmaker> hahaha :) 19:57:04 * PeteT hi 19:57:07 <SmatZ> *** You has been kicked from the channel by DorpsGek <=== grammar fail 19:57:07 <Xaroth> TrueBrain 1 : el_en 0 19:57:11 * PeteT says hi 19:57:12 *** yorick is now known as We 19:57:16 <PeteT> !nick Peter 19:57:18 * We were kicked by TB 19:57:19 <TrueBrain> @kban We 600 you too 19:57:21 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by DorpsGek 19:57:21 *** We was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [you too] 19:57:32 <planetmaker> :P 19:57:39 <planetmaker> self fulfilling prophecy. 19:57:51 <PeteT> what do we talk about in openttd irc? 19:57:56 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 19:58:03 <TrueBrain> 10 fun ways to kick a person PeteT 19:58:06 <planetmaker> hm.... let me guess. 19:58:13 <Hirundo_> ttdpatch? 19:58:21 <planetmaker> doom 19:58:27 <PeteT> you know what i mean 19:58:27 <planetmaker> is 19:58:29 <planetmaker> upon 19:58:31 <planetmaker> us 19:58:32 <PeteT> like servers? 19:58:36 <PeteT> general gameplay? 19:58:45 <Xaroth> general development, and the meaning of life 19:58:47 <PeteT> new ideas for future versions? 19:58:50 <TrueBrain> no 19:58:58 <SmatZ> [21:58:48] <PeteT> new ideas for future versions? <=== please no! 19:58:58 <planetmaker> :D 19:59:04 <TrueBrain> that is a no-can-do topic here 19:59:23 <PeteT> lol 19:59:26 <PeteT> ok 19:59:37 <planetmaker> PeteT: it's preferred to come up with solutions instead of suggestions :) 19:59:45 <frosch123> PeteT: do not talk about realism or snow on monday to friday 8 am to 5 pm (quebec time) 19:59:48 <PeteT> what command do i use for changing my name? 20:00:00 <planetmaker> haha :) 20:00:11 <Xaroth> /nick <nickname> 20:00:13 <SmatZ> PeteT: /part 20:00:15 <planetmaker> frosch123: but his logs are running 20:00:21 <TrueBrain> bad SmatZ, bad bad bad SmatZ :) 20:00:22 <PeteT> didnt work 20:00:23 <planetmaker> :O 20:00:32 <_ln> /disco very 20:00:38 <PeteT> i press enter and it just goes away 20:00:48 <PeteT> NICK PeterT 20:00:54 <TrueBrain> maybe .. just maybe .. because that name is already in use? 20:00:57 <TrueBrain> check your status window 20:01:25 <PeteT> im using it in another channel, does that make it not work? 20:01:32 <TrueBrain> lol 20:01:37 <TrueBrain> we have a real newbie 20:01:39 <TrueBrain> how sweet :) 20:01:44 <SmatZ> :o) 20:01:50 <TrueBrain> PeteT: you can't have 2 nicknames in 2 channels on the same network :) 20:02:19 <PeteT> i am a noob 20:02:23 <_ln> PeteT: /quit and /exit were fighting. which one of them won? 20:02:24 <PeteT> i just got this IRC client today 20:02:40 <PeteT> ...../exit 20:02:45 <PeteT> :D 20:02:46 <_ln> alright 20:02:50 <planetmaker> he... 20:05:24 <TrueBrain> 28 days to download a serie ... 20:05:26 <TrueBrain> blegh 20:06:16 <planetmaker> PeteT: I guess you're connected to this network twice. 20:06:20 <Xaroth> 7 days to download a new film :/ 20:06:29 <PeteT> what film 20:06:44 <planetmaker> that is, if you're the PeterT from #openttdcoop 20:06:57 <PeteT> yes 20:06:59 <PeteT> ok 20:07:16 <PeteT> i cant connect to 2 different servers on the same network, go it 20:07:18 <PeteT> *got it 20:07:22 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] by DorpsGek 20:07:39 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:08:42 <planetmaker> you could close this client (for #openttd) and type in the chat window of #openttdcoop just "/join #openttd" 20:08:42 <planetmaker> PeteT: you can... but from the same client :) 20:08:42 <planetmaker> not different ones 20:09:08 <PeteT> ok 20:09:12 <PeteT> let me try that 20:09:29 *** PeteT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 20:09:37 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:09:42 <PeterT> ok here 20:09:51 <TrueBrain> should that be scary? 20:09:57 <TrueBrain> "Search engine overloaded, please try again in a few seconds" 20:09:59 <TrueBrain> lovely :( 20:10:07 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:10:48 <PeterT> *hi 20:10:51 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the MAFIAA 20:10:59 <Eddi|zuHause> they sabotage the server ;) 20:11:08 <TrueBrain> would be a very good action btw 20:11:16 <TrueBrain> to use a botnet to hammer their search engine 20:11:21 <TrueBrain> very efficient 20:11:31 <PeterT> what other openttd related servers are there? 20:11:47 <Eddi|zuHause> where is something openttd related? 20:11:53 <TrueBrain> that question is so weird, that I don't even have any fun replies :( 20:12:07 <TrueBrain> well, fun for me of course 20:13:27 <frosch123> PeterT: try #tycoon and you will never ask for more channels with more spam 20:14:10 <Xaroth> frosch123: (1-5)on(1-5) on quakenet are worse. 20:14:13 <TrueBrain> argh, I hate it I hate it I hate it when things are outside of scope of my usenet retention :( 20:14:44 <PeterT> ok 20:15:23 <PeterT> what does it mean when a green dot is next to someone's name? 20:15:44 <frosch123> that depends on your client :) 20:15:49 <PeterT> xchat? 20:15:54 <SmatZ> ask xchat FAQ/manual... 20:15:57 <PeterT> belugas has it 20:16:01 <PeterT> dorps gek has it 20:16:01 <Alberth> PeterT: see http://www.openttd.org/en/ in particular the top row with keywords 20:16:20 <frosch123> PeterT: then it mean to NOT highlight those people, never! 20:16:20 <frosch123> :p 20:16:27 <SmatZ> PeterT: people with extra power 20:16:42 <SmatZ> frosch123: "what is highlight" :) 20:20:16 <z-MaTRiX> btw 20:20:51 <z-MaTRiX> TrueBrain, suggest GHC for complex things 20:22:52 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5CEF0.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:23:36 *** k20forlif [~rufturbo7@adsl-70-136-31-28.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:01 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226197010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:24:53 *** k20forlif [~rufturbo7@adsl-70-136-31-28.dsl.bumttx.sbcglobal.net] has left #openttd [] 20:26:04 <TrueBrain> GHC? 20:26:12 <TrueBrain> Gravity Height Collider? 20:28:03 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:42 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:30:57 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226197010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:57 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:31:02 * petern considers reading sirxavius' pm 20:31:12 <planetmaker> :D 20:31:12 <TrueBrain> why? 20:31:18 <Xaroth> be careful 20:31:19 <petern> yeah, true 20:32:12 *** batti5_ [~batti5@92.82.94.4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:37 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:11 <Brianetta> [16:51] <TrueBrain> btw, Sacro, it is a flaw of the website. 20:38:28 <Brianetta> It is not a flaw of the web site. The web site follows all guidelines, and is an XHTML web site. 20:38:38 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: check the links surrounding that conversation 20:38:41 <Brianetta> It only supports XHTML user agents, not HTML. 20:38:44 <TrueBrain> it clearly states the website is wrong here :) 20:38:50 <Brianetta> It isn't though. 20:38:56 <Brianetta> Not in the slightest. 20:38:59 <TrueBrain> I hate to repeat myself, so I won't :) 20:39:12 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:39:37 <PeterT> stupid ISP 20:39:44 <Brianetta> I'm not sure what you could say to change my opinion anyway. It isn't a HTML web site, period. 20:39:48 <PeterT> always randomnly disconnects 20:39:53 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: I call it w3c :) 20:40:06 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:40:15 <TrueBrain> if that isn't a good enough argument, there is no need to argument at all :) 20:41:00 <oskari89> Thought about those waypoints. 20:41:16 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 20:41:27 <Brianetta> Your argument hinges on W3C's "should" clause 20:41:33 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:41:42 <Brianetta> That document isn't available as HTML. 20:41:44 <TrueBrain> Brianetta: no, w3c is VERY clear in the use of application/xhtml+xml 20:41:47 *** Fogel [~Fogel@82.160.60.140] has joined #openttd 20:41:50 <Fogel> hello 20:41:52 <Brianetta> Any more than my banner is available as a JPEG. 20:41:54 <TrueBrain> it is NOT allowed if the agent doesn't EXPLICITly tells you to use it 20:42:01 <oskari89> Could waypoint be used as normal level crossing (modified from code) so it could be used w/ different graphics. 20:42:13 <Brianetta> "The 'application/xhtml+xml' media type [RFC3236] is the primary media type for XHTML Family documents. 'application/xhtml+xml' should be used for serving XHTML documents to XHTML user agents (agents that explicitly indicate they support this media type)." -- W3C 20:42:21 <Brianetta> Not the word, "should" 20:42:28 <TrueBrain> "(agents that explicitly indicate they support this media type)" 20:42:31 <TrueBrain> how more clear should it be? 20:42:32 <Brianetta> SHOULD 20:42:37 <Brianetta> It isn't mandatory 20:42:46 <Brianetta> Mandatories are indicated by the word "must" 20:42:48 <TrueBrain> exactly; and you use it 20:43:00 <Fogel> i've got a question - how to disable AI doing any action? 20:43:05 <TrueBrain> so you are not following w3c guidelines here :) 20:43:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:12 <Fogel> but with AI players present 20:43:12 <Brianetta> "This media type must be used when writing documents using XHTML Family document types that add elements and attributes from foreign namespaces, such as XHTML+MathML" 20:43:15 <Brianetta> THere, I am following the MUST clause 20:43:21 <Yexo> Fogel: why do you want to do that? 20:43:36 <TrueBrain> then complain to w3c they have contradictories in their description 20:43:40 <Yexo> oskari89: of course that's possible by modifying the code, but do you really want that? 20:43:49 <Brianetta> Must overrides should, in all cases. 20:43:49 <oskari89> Yes i do. 20:43:51 <Yexo> or do you just want different graphics for level crossings? 20:43:57 <Brianetta> I have no complaint. 20:43:57 <TrueBrain> "(agents that explicitly indicate they support this media type)" <- I don't read a should 20:44:02 <TrueBrain> and I tihnk that overrules any statement 20:44:08 <Brianetta> It's earlier int he sentence 20:44:16 <Brianetta> I quoted the complete sentence earlier 20:44:18 <TrueBrain> (the word 'explicitly' is more then a 'must') 20:44:20 <Fogel> i want co create sth like a real world simulation - for that i need few companies, but don't want AI to control them 20:44:23 <Brianetta> 21:42 20:44:35 <oskari89> I want to use several level crossing types. Like unguarded/ guarded with barriers/ led-warning light 20:44:36 <PeterT> does build ottd work on vista? 20:44:37 <TrueBrain> oh .. why do I bother .. like I care your website is not viewable by IE .. 20:44:40 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226197010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:44:42 <Yexo> Fogel: easiest is to create an AI that does nothing 20:44:54 <Yexo> follow the example on the wiki and remove all code from the Start function 20:44:55 <Brianetta> explicitly is a descriptive clause, not an instruction 20:45:03 <Brianetta> I certainly don't 20:45:06 <Sacro> TrueBrain: why would anyone care about IE users 20:45:11 <Yexo> PeterT: BuildOTTD does't work at all at this moment 20:45:14 <TrueBrain> Sacro: any sane person :) 20:45:15 <Brianetta> It's an XHTML document. Get an XHTML client. 20:45:25 <Yexo> only the installation works for getting an mingw install 20:45:28 <Brianetta> I don't give a fig which XHTML client the users use. 20:45:31 <TrueBrain> Sacro: it is like ignoring Windows; it would be nice, but you should never do it :) 20:45:32 <Brianetta> IE isn't one. 20:45:36 <PeterT> whats a patching program for noobs? 20:46:09 <oskari89> Yexo: and level crossings could be used as waypoints too. :) 20:46:11 <Yexo> using tortoisesvn + mingw / visual studio 20:46:37 <Brianetta> My site's compatibel with every XHTML client there is. 20:46:44 <PeterT> i looked at the wiki, and compiling on mingw seems really complicated 20:46:49 * SpComb writes an XHTML client that isn't 20:46:56 <PeterT> http://wiki.openttd.org/Mingw 20:46:56 <Brianetta> SpComb: It wouldn't be one. 20:47:07 <SpComb> how many XHTML clients are there then? 20:47:10 <SpComb> zero? 20:47:10 <Yexo> PeterT: that's the easiest it gets, but following the steps there isn't too hard 20:47:22 <PeterT> ok 20:47:23 <Brianetta> Unlike HTML, XHTML support isn't shades of grey. 20:47:34 <Brianetta> SpComb: Firefox is one. 20:47:38 <PeterT> ill try that, but buildottd doesnt even work on XP? 20:47:54 <Yexo> buildottd doesn't work at all unless somebody fixes it 20:48:06 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aejl244.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 20:48:14 <Fogel> Yexo: class MyNewAI extends AIController << MyNewAI inherits from AIController? 20:48:19 <Yexo> yep 20:48:27 <PeterT> yeah, ok. i tried running it in compatibility mode, but nothing... 20:49:36 <PeterT> i dont see the step for inserting the patch file.... 20:49:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:49:46 <PeterT> is mingw for .patch files? 20:50:14 <oskari89> Yexo: Is level crossing hard-coded on exe or something else? 20:50:31 <Yexo> oskari89: you can replace the graphics with a newgrf file 20:50:52 <Yexo> PeterT: yes, but try to compile without applying a patch first 20:51:14 <PeterT> then when i compile how do i add it? 20:51:20 <PeterT> are there steps for that too? 20:51:30 <Yexo> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=21678 <- sticky in the development forum 20:51:46 <Yexo> tortoisesvn can also apply svn patches for you 20:51:57 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226197010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:57 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 20:52:00 <PeterT> ok 20:52:14 <PeterT> man, patching is sorta a pain in the ass 20:52:35 <oskari89> Yexo: But can you use three or four types of level crossings with newgrf without using waypoints? 20:52:36 <TrueBrain> only when you need to get used to it :) 20:52:45 <PeterT> where are these codes like "patch -p0 -i file.diff" entered? 20:52:46 <Yexo> oskari89: no 20:52:55 <Yexo> PeterT: in the mingw shell 20:52:59 <PeterT> ok 20:53:20 <PeterT> and that willl patch, along with tortoise 20:53:23 <PeterT> ? 20:53:39 <Fogel> Yexo: and do you know where should i put those files? there is only solution for windows, on linux i have files in few places... 20:53:46 <Yexo> that will patch the source, but that means you need to download the source first 20:53:49 <oskari89> Yexo: How difficult is it to add level crossing option to waypoint? 20:54:10 <Yexo> oskari89: try it yourself, I have no idea 20:54:15 <PeterT> and compiling on mingw is downloading the source 20:54:25 <PeterT> btw, sorry, first time trying to patch 20:54:37 <Yexo> PeterT: that's why I told you to try compiling without any patch first 20:54:54 <Yexo> Fogel: in ~/.openttd/ai/<yourai>/ 20:55:03 <PeterT> ok, 1. compile 2. patch with tortoise 20:55:06 <Yexo> or in install_dir/ai/<yourai>/ 20:55:10 <PeterT> is that correct? 20:55:24 <Yexo> PeterT: yes, but add "3. recompile the patches source" 20:55:39 <PeterT> uhhhh 20:55:41 <PeterT> ok, 20:55:52 <PeterT> be back when i fail at patching 20:55:58 <Yexo> step 1 (compile) is to make sure you can compile without problems 20:56:08 <PeterT> ok 20:56:08 <Yexo> if that works ok, applying a patch and compiling with that patch is very easy 20:56:33 <PeterT> after the test compile, you apply the patch to that? 20:56:41 <Yexo> no, you apply the patch to the source 20:56:51 <PeterT> oh jesus 20:56:57 <PeterT> this is annoying 20:57:04 <PeterT> let me test compile first 20:57:17 <Yexo> compiling before applying the patch is not needed, but is nice to know so when you run into problems later, you know it's not a problem of your installation, but of the patch 20:57:25 <PeterT> ok 20:58:10 <Yexo> oskari89: does your level crossing have to behave as a level crossing, or only look like one? 21:05:07 <PeterT> when im installing mingw, it asks me what kind of install i want, minimal, full, or custom, which one? 21:07:18 <PeterT> Yexo: when im installing mingw, it asks me what kind of install i want, minimal, full, or custom, which one? 21:07:35 <Yexo> # On the install, select Candidate, then select the Minimal install plus the g++ compiler. <- from the wiki 21:08:19 <glx> use buildottd installer ;) 21:08:48 <PeterT> doesnt work 21:08:53 <PeterT> :( 21:09:01 <PeterT> especially not on vista 21:09:04 <Yexo> the installer does 21:09:04 <Yexo> just buildottd itself not 21:09:24 <glx> and it's the same on XP :) 21:09:33 <oskari89> Yexo: Behave as level crossing. 21:09:53 <glx> but you'll get a ready to use mingw install 21:11:25 <PeterT> is "wget-1.9.1", "zlib-1.2.3", and "libpng-1.2.8 " all downloded by mingw? 21:11:27 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:11:43 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:12:35 <Yexo> PeterT: I don't think so 21:13:41 <PeterT> Yexo: so i download that and install that too? 21:13:51 <Yexo> yes, just follow the instructions 21:13:54 <PeterT> ok 21:13:55 <Yexo> and try to do that yourself 21:14:01 <PeterT> sorry 21:14:06 <TrueBrain> but he likes it when you hold his hand daddy 21:14:07 <Yexo> ask questions when something doesn't work, but dno't ask everything 21:14:31 <PeterT> TrueBrain: way to make fun of the retard 21:14:51 <TrueBrain> PeterT: it was just a too easy comment :) 21:14:58 <TrueBrain> I am getting medicine for it ;) 21:15:03 <PeterT> duh doy duh duh 21:15:40 <Eddi|zuHause> wow, there's a load of crap being spoken here all day... 21:16:12 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: lol .. that suprises you .. how? 21:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause> no surprise... i just wanted to have explicitly pointed it out, in case people were too afraid to do it :p 21:17:10 <TrueBrain> does it make you feel more alive? :) 21:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 21:18:19 <Fogel> Yexo: thanks, works 21:18:22 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.23.153.179] has joined #openttd 21:20:20 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: so you have anything fun to share? :) 21:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause> nothing that translates over the internet... 21:21:03 <PeterT> this wasnt in the wiki: if its says "oh joy, you dont have make.exe. keep it that way" is this a joke or something? 21:21:19 <PeterT> or do i need to get make.exe and re-install 21:21:37 <Eddi|zuHause> what's so difficult to understand in "keep it that way"? 21:22:20 <Yexo> PeterT: at which step do you get that message? 21:22:22 <TrueBrain> PeterT: one golden tip, and I don't mean this in any bad way: if you want to develop for OpenTTD, dare to try things. See how far you can go. You can always reinstall at any later point :) 21:22:43 <PeterT> i got that after inserting the mingw installation path 21:22:53 <Yexo> just continue then 21:22:57 <PeterT> into that command line when you install MSYS 21:22:59 <PeterT> ok 21:23:06 <Yexo> and take TrueBrains advice 21:23:57 <PeterT> TrueBrain: Thanks. i go by the saying "measure twice. cut once" 21:24:04 <PeterT> but i guess.... 21:24:12 <TrueBrain> yeah, but in here that translates: oh, that annoying user again ;) 21:24:33 <PeterT> :\ 21:24:41 <TrueBrain> (you have to understand there are many people who try this every month .. helping each one of them step by step would not really allow any developer to do any real developing ;)) 21:24:55 <PeterT> i understand that 21:25:01 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has joined #openttd 21:25:02 <Nite_Owl> with computers the truism is: screw it up and then figure out how to fix it 21:25:16 <frosch123> TrueBrain: what are you currently developing? :p 21:25:29 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I was nothing talking about myself ;) I was talking about ... others .... :) 21:25:32 <PeterT> unfortunately, ive done that. i got a virus and it screwed my comp and it took 3 weeks to fix 21:25:40 <TrueBrain> hmm .. doh .. wrong answer .. the correct one was: WT3!!! 21:25:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought it was "is it running? don't touch the damn thing!" 21:26:02 <planetmaker> hahah @ TrueBrain :) 21:26:15 *** Hirundo_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 21:26:42 <TrueBrain> PeterT: install a anti-virus ;) 21:26:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16272 /branches/0.7/ (12 files in 4 dirs): 21:26:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 21:26:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Check slopes passed to the API better for validity (r16264, r16262) 21:26:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] Interpret setting bridge property 08 to 0 as always available (r16263) 21:26:59 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Add: [NoAI] AIController::GetVersion, this returns the version of OpenTTD in the same way as for NewGRFs (r16253) 21:27:01 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Add: [NoAI] AIAirport::GetPrice, returning the building cost of an airport (r16252) 21:27:03 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Enable parameter checking for AIController::* functions again (r16249) 21:27:10 <PeterT> OH. IF ONLY I HAD THOUGHT OF THAT. :P 21:27:16 <TrueBrain> ghehe @ PeterT :) 21:27:21 <PeterT> i had 3 21:27:25 <PeterT> actually 4 21:27:36 <PeterT> mcafee, avg, spysweeper, and spyzooka 21:27:43 <Eddi|zuHause> you do realize that they only block each other? 21:28:03 <PeterT> not at one time, 21:28:17 <PeterT> i usually just use spysweeper 21:28:52 <Nite_Owl> is that not just for spyware 21:29:15 <PeterT> no not just 21:29:20 <frosch123> hmm, if you check 3 pointers for not being NULL, the fourth is NULL 21:29:47 <Nite_Owl> antivirus as well ? 21:29:50 <TrueBrain> hmm .. who has a way in the Apple cooperation? I want a OSX Server donated :p 21:30:48 <PeterT> ok, im on "compiling wget" step 21:31:33 <PeterT> what is "mingwPORT"? 21:31:46 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: I want that, too :) 21:31:54 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 21:32:09 <Yexo> PeterT: those tools where originally coded for some unix flavour, and ported to mingw 21:32:28 <PeterT> ok 21:32:33 <PeterT> still following steps 21:32:38 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I tried emailing apple .. never got a reply ... 21:32:44 <TrueBrain> only after 2 months that they forwarded it to an other department 21:32:47 <TrueBrain> DEEP silence ... 21:33:05 <Nite_Owl> get pictures of Apple executives in bed with male midgets 21:33:12 <planetmaker> hm... too sad they not even can be arsed to reply... 21:34:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16273 /branches/0.7/src/ (25 files in 7 dirs): 21:34:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 21:34:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: Wrong number of parameters or wrong parameter types sent to printf-like functions at several places (r16269) 21:34:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] When callback 2E returns an amount of 0, do not transport 1 unit to the station (r16268) 21:34:08 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Various documentation omissions with respect to IDs of various objects and corners for AITile::(Raise|Lower)Tile (r16267,r16266) 21:34:27 <Nite_Owl> chloroform is the key 21:35:08 * planetmaker smells a 0.7.1 in the pipe 21:35:38 <Nite_Owl> of course if they were married Apple executives then so much the better 21:35:53 <PeterT> when it says "Make sure you are in the same directory where you placed the file" does that mean the exe is the same directory? 21:36:04 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: it is always in the pipe :p 21:36:29 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: is a 0.1.3 also still in the pipe? ;) 21:36:43 <TrueBrain> I meant the next version 21:36:44 <TrueBrain> you twat 21:36:47 <planetmaker> :D 21:37:21 <planetmaker> pah. twat is not a nice word :( 21:41:06 <PeterT> yexo. you here? 21:41:21 <Yexo> yes, I am 21:41:30 <PeterT> im getting an error 21:41:41 <Yexo> which one? 21:42:08 <PeterT> i placed the wget-1.9.1-mingwPORT.tar.bz2 into "home" started msys, and entered the first line of command, and it says "cannot open, no such file of directory" 21:42:38 <Yexo> type "pwd" and copy the result here 21:43:01 <PeterT> /home/Peter 21:43:46 <Yexo> when you type "ls", do you see the tar file? 21:44:05 <PeterT> no 21:44:24 <PeterT> i placed it into the "home" directory, along with a folder named "Peter" 21:44:47 <Yexo> ah, in unix terms, you home directory is "/home/Peter" 21:45:00 <Yexo> so you need to place the tar *in* the Peter dir, not next to it 21:45:26 <PeterT> oh 21:45:30 <PeterT> inside this "Peter" folder 21:45:33 <PeterT> ? 21:45:37 <Yexo> yes 21:46:07 <PeterT> i put it in, entered the same command, and it says the same thing 21:46:22 <Yexo> does "ls" show the tar file now? 21:46:30 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: sorry, I take that word back :) 21:46:46 <PeterT> yes 21:46:47 *** Booth [~chatzilla@82-32-210-243.cable.ubr07.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:03 <PeterT> but the name is "wget-1.9.1-mingwPORT.tar.bz2.bz2" 21:47:07 <planetmaker> :) /me hugs TrueBrain 21:47:25 <glx> too many .bz2 in the file name 21:47:27 <PeterT> renamed it and it works 21:47:30 <PeterT> ok 21:47:34 <PeterT> thanks for bearing with me 21:47:53 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: that happens to windows people who don't enable showing of file extensions 21:48:04 <TrueBrain> I hate that option 21:48:05 *** Klanticus [~quassel@143.107.231.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the same kind of people who click on "spam.png.exe" files 21:48:59 <glx> or loveletter.txt.vbs 21:49:16 <Nite_Owl> So who caught the first case of the sexually transmitted disease 'Space Crabs' Capt. Jonathan Archer or Capt. James T. Kirk? 21:49:22 <PeterT> i do i enable the showing of extentions on vista? 21:49:37 <TrueBrain> in the options :) 21:49:40 <PeterT> ok 21:49:41 <TrueBrain> Under: Hide known extensions 21:49:45 <TrueBrain> who would have guessed ;) 21:49:53 <TrueBrain> come on PeterT, a bit self-thinking is allowed :) 21:50:50 <PeterT> and of course its not there.... :) 21:51:29 <TrueBrain> in any explorer window, alt -> extra -> options, the tab with MANY squares in it ... and under Hide Known Extensions, with a bit more talk around those words 21:52:04 <Yexo> http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q24/michael4446/vista_mapopties.jpg <- that window, dunno how it's called in english 21:52:09 <TrueBrain> (depending on your windows 'extra' can be 'tools' and 'options' can be 'folder options' 21:52:18 <TrueBrain> and that all without having a windows system in front of me :p 21:52:35 <TrueBrain> "Hide extensions for known file types" 21:52:36 <Nite_Owl> not a Star Trek crowd 21:52:39 <TrueBrain> is the english variant 21:52:44 <TrueBrain> Nite_Owl: no, jus tnot interested :p 21:53:30 <Nite_Owl> it was a rhetorical question anyway - humor fail 21:53:41 <TrueBrain> ;) 21:54:20 <PeterT> what language do you speak yexo, so i can translate? 21:54:33 <Yexo> TrueBrain already translated it for you :) 21:54:41 <Yexo> but if you still want to know, it's Dutch 21:54:48 <TrueBrain> PeterT: open up http://www.google.com , and search for: show file extensions windows 21:54:52 <TrueBrain> hit the big SEARCH button 21:54:53 <PeterT> ok got it 21:54:59 <PeterT> not the google thing 21:55:04 <PeterT> i mean i found it 21:55:07 <Nite_Owl> what version of Windows 21:55:11 <PeterT> vista 21:55:19 <PeterT> maybe thats where you guys forgot 21:55:25 <PeterT> it wasnt where you said it was 21:55:38 <PeterT> "organize" ----> "folder options" 21:55:47 <TrueBrain> 'organize'?! 21:55:51 <TrueBrain> what language do you use? 21:55:57 <Nite_Owl> they moved a lot of stuff around in Vista 21:56:00 <PeterT> vista 21:56:03 <TrueBrain> language 21:56:09 <TrueBrain> vista is not a language 21:56:09 <PeterT> english! 21:56:15 <PeterT> vista is my os 21:56:18 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 21:56:22 <PeterT> and vista has it different 21:56:26 <TrueBrain> but okay, here again the phrase holds: try stuff yourself! :) 21:56:29 <TrueBrain> be inventive! 21:56:36 <TrueBrain> else compiling OpenTTD will be very useless anyway ;) 21:57:29 <PeterT> god i hope this doesnt take all night :( 21:57:43 <TrueBrain> on your speed? I am afraid so my friend :) 21:57:56 <TrueBrain> an advanced user even needs a good hour :) 21:58:03 <PeterT> duhhh doy duhhh duhh wut? 21:59:15 <Xaroth> compiling stuff takes time 21:59:27 <TrueBrain> compiling stuff to compile even longer ;) 21:59:33 <Xaroth> if every idiot could do it the internet would be filled with viruse... er... nevermind 21:59:41 <PeterT> so when i compile WITH the patch, can i join servers? 21:59:42 <Xaroth> every idiot -can- do it, it just takes time 21:59:55 <Yexo> PeterT: only servers that are compiled with the same patch 21:59:57 <Xaroth> PeterT: depends on what you patch, most likely, no. 22:00:02 <PeterT> damn it 22:00:14 *** insulfrog [~trainslov@92.23.153.179] has quit [Quit: hi] 22:00:28 <PeterT> whatever, i guess i'll be playing by myself 22:00:37 <Xaroth> ... ew 22:00:54 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: script kiddies :) 22:01:09 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: still mindless idiots :P 22:01:14 <TrueBrain> yup 22:01:22 <TrueBrain> and in our country, they get jobs when caught breaking in! 22:01:28 <Xaroth> they do? 22:01:34 <TrueBrain> a few years back 22:01:41 <TrueBrain> a script kiddy broke into some gov server thingy 22:01:44 <TrueBrain> got arrested 22:01:45 <Xaroth> damn i should have continued doing that :/ 22:01:51 <TrueBrain> got a job there as 'advisor' 22:01:53 <PeterT> Xaroth: BY myself, not WITH myself 22:02:03 <TrueBrain> like he knew ANYTHING about it ... he just downloaded something from the web and used it 22:02:14 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: most likely :P 22:02:43 <TrueBrain> no, I know for sure 22:03:13 <PeterT> where are you guys from? 22:03:15 <Xaroth> ah fucknuts, gotta trip to evo tomorrow again, grr 22:03:36 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: what broke this time? :) 22:03:43 <Xaroth> nothing 22:03:45 <Xaroth> monthly backup 22:03:59 <TrueBrain> why you need to go there for that?! 22:04:14 <Xaroth> because the client wants the backups to be stored at securitas 22:04:33 <TrueBrain> not enough bandwidth to stream everything? :) 22:04:47 <Xaroth> ... >1tb.. per month? 22:04:54 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:59 <TrueBrain> I mean, stream the backup remotely? :) 22:05:01 <Xaroth> vs a monthly 'trip' to do maintenance 22:05:32 <TrueBrain> for a lot of clients I do just that: stream it remotely, and put it on what ever they want from here :) 22:05:36 <PeterT> "error no such file or directory" 22:05:40 <PeterT> again... 22:05:40 <TrueBrain> but they have fiber, flatfree ;) 22:05:45 <PeterT> its in the Peter folder 22:05:49 <PeterT> with the proper name 22:06:25 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: but I guess it is nice to take a trip every month :) 22:06:39 <Xaroth> it's not 22:06:44 <PeterT> pwd: /home/Peter/zlib-1.2.3/mingwPORT 22:06:45 <TrueBrain> I would enjoy it :) 22:06:56 <Xaroth> because it'a always me, because i'm the only sysadmin who actually has clearance for all that stuff :P 22:07:12 <Xaroth> i'd rather sit behind my desk, 'working'. 22:07:15 * Sacro werbles 22:07:18 <Yexo> PeterT: go to the correc tdirectory first (cd ../..) 22:07:19 <TrueBrain> so enjoy it! You are out for N hours, get paid for it 22:07:26 <Xaroth> true 22:08:09 <PeterT> Yexo: working now.... thanks 22:08:22 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: I would take that job any day :) 22:08:38 <TrueBrain> I don't get paid for trips to and from the DC :( 22:08:41 <PeterT> Yexo: these commands seem simalar to openttd console commands 22:08:46 <Xaroth> heh 22:08:58 <PeterT> Yexo: i use the console non stop when playing 22:09:06 <Yexo> guess where the inspiration for the openttd console commands came from :) 22:09:30 <PeterT> lol 22:10:41 <PeterT> Yexo: whats the time frame of 0.8.0 beta clients? 22:11:00 <TrueBrain> oeh, the famous: when-it-is-done! 22:11:03 <TrueBrain> I love saying that :) 22:11:13 <PeterT> oh im sorry for asking a question 22:11:21 <PeterT> oh never mind 22:11:25 <Ammler> 15.2.09 22:11:47 * Sacro compiles 0.8.0alpha 22:11:49 <PeterT> when i enter "mkdir ~/ottdsrc 22:11:49 <TrueBrain> PeterT: a question which never works in any open source community: when will this be done?! :) 22:11:49 <PeterT> cd ~/ottdsrc 22:11:49 <PeterT> svn checkout svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk" what "cd" should i be in? 22:12:30 <Yexo> cd is short for "change directory" 22:12:35 <PeterT> ok 22:12:43 <Yexo> pwd is short of "path working direcotyr", which shows your current directory 22:12:49 <Ammler> how is that called in win? 22:12:57 <Yexo> cd without any further paramters will go to your home directory 22:12:58 <Ammler> thought, it is cd, too 22:13:02 <PeterT> what should my pwd be? 22:13:31 <Yexo> ~ will expand to your home dir, so ~/ottdsrc is short for "/home/Peter/ottdsrc" 22:13:39 <Sacro> Yexo: not always 22:13:48 <TrueBrain> Sacro: don't confuse more than needed 22:13:49 <Sacro> depends on where your homedir is 22:13:49 <Yexo> Sacro: don't make it more difficult then it is 22:13:50 <Sacro> :) 22:13:58 <PeterT> i just entered "cd /home/Peter" 22:14:11 <Yexo> that's fine 22:14:12 <Yexo> it's the same as "cd" and "cd ~" 22:14:18 <PeterT> now i can get the source code? 22:14:30 <Yexo> yep 22:14:34 <Yexo> just follow the instructions again :) 22:15:10 <PeterT> got it 22:15:16 <Ammler> there should be a wikipage about which explains step by step 22:15:22 <PeterT> its already fetching stuff.... 22:15:24 <PeterT> yes im on it 22:15:40 <PeterT> wikipage/compiling_on_mingw 22:17:03 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r16274 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp town.h): -Fix: Disable multitile houses for which the newgrf does not define proper additional tiles. (instead of crashing later) 22:17:14 <PeterT> ok, its done getting source code 22:17:21 <PeterT> now on to compiling 22:18:09 <Ammler> please expand the wiki page with the things you needed to ask. 22:18:42 <PeterT> if the wiki page was easy to edit 22:18:52 <TrueBrain> click Edit 22:18:56 <PeterT> there are many codes i dont know what to do with 22:19:05 <PeterT> and i dont want to vandelize the page 22:19:06 <TrueBrain> codes .. plain text? 22:19:22 <Ammler> you can preview the edit 22:19:35 <Yexo> just edit the text, and if you really mess up we'll revert it (and as Ammler says, you can review what you did) 22:19:40 <Ammler> just try and check before you submit the result 22:19:45 <TrueBrain> Yexo: preview ;) 22:19:59 <Yexo> yeah, I noticed that a bit too late :) 22:20:03 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 22:20:05 <PeterT> ok 22:20:08 <PeterT> i will in a sec 22:20:18 <PeterT> after mingw is done 22:21:52 <TrueBrain> "/How.I.Met.Your.Mother.S04E03.720p.HDTV.X264-DIMENSION/how.i.met.your.mother.403.720p-dimension.rar is not RAR archive" :( :( 22:22:06 <Sacro> aww :p 22:22:09 <FauxFaux> Pirate! 22:22:12 <Sacro> good series that 22:22:14 <PeterT> :P 22:22:19 <TrueBrain> I have my eye-patch! 22:22:25 <Ammler> rar sucks anyway. 22:22:43 <Ammler> no "preview" 22:22:45 <PeterT> i hate how i met your mother 22:22:46 <TrueBrain> what is that for a useless comment?! 22:23:20 <PeterT> how long does compiling take? 22:23:29 <TrueBrain> PeterT: 7 minutes and 12 seconds 22:23:32 <Ammler> 2.534 min 22:23:36 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-51-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:23:38 <Ammler> oh :-) 22:23:44 <TrueBrain> (it is just asking for random useless replies :p) 22:24:53 <Xaroth> bah this download is taking forever 22:25:01 <TrueBrain> Xaroth: what are you downloading? 22:25:04 <Xaroth> 3000 leechers, 72 seeders, and a whopping 2kbps 22:25:07 <Xaroth> new star trek 22:25:13 <TrueBrain> use usenet 22:25:25 <Xaroth> that free? :P 22:25:46 <TrueBrain> the TS? 22:26:13 <TrueBrain> the DEViSE, BDK or STG? 22:26:24 <Xaroth> nm. 22:26:34 * Xaroth goes find stuff to install 22:26:42 <TrueBrain> well, if you have IPv6 I can help you out ;) 22:26:54 <Xaroth> ipv4 22:27:05 <TrueBrain> then I can only upload :) 22:27:09 <TrueBrain> stupid firewall :( 22:27:28 *** torahteen [~Jordan@12-175-226-221.dsl-cust.gwtc.net] has joined #openttd 22:27:34 <PeterT> i use http://www.watch-movies-links.net/ 22:27:35 <Xaroth> ugh, need to find me a non-crap-ware usenet client 22:27:46 <torahteen> Hey guys... any way to make trains wait longer at signals before reversing direction? 22:28:02 <PeterT> theres a console command.... 22:28:12 <PeterT> signal_wait_time <value> 22:28:14 <PeterT> i think 22:28:17 <PeterT> try that 22:28:24 <PeterT> wait, what kind? 22:28:27 <PeterT> pbs? 22:30:07 <torahteen> Normal block 22:30:23 <torahteen> like, I have a waiting "passing loop" 22:30:32 <PeterT> ok 22:30:37 <PeterT> did it work? 22:30:45 <torahteen> and occasionally, one train just waits a tad too long and decides to reverse 22:30:50 <torahteen> well, I'll let you know 22:31:40 <PeterT> ok 22:31:50 <PeterT> Yexo: Done compilin without patch! 22:31:59 <PeterT> Yexo: what now? 22:32:04 <Yexo> congratz PeterT 22:32:07 <PeterT> thanks 22:32:22 <Yexo> now you download the patch you want and put it in the directory with the source 22:32:42 <PeterT> thats it? 22:32:47 <Yexo> no, that's the first step 22:33:11 <PeterT> ok its there 22:33:12 <torahteen> signal_wait_time? 22:33:14 <Yexo> just for reference, which patch are you trying to compile? 22:33:22 <PeterT> close_aiports 22:33:32 <torahteen> getting an error 22:33:46 <Yexo> ok, now find out what revision the patch is for 22:33:55 <PeterT> torahteen: i wasnt sure..... http://wiki.openttd.org/Console 22:33:56 <Yexo> most patch writer put that in the filename 22:34:08 <PeterT> its for 0.7.0 22:34:28 <torahteen> I did list_vars and only have two 22:34:31 <Yexo> PeterT: then you need the 0.7 sources instead of the trunk sources 22:34:38 <Yexo> cd ~/ottdsrc 22:34:39 <torahteen> developer and pw_company or something similar 22:34:47 <PeterT> torahteen: try list_patches 22:34:47 <planetmaker> there's a trunk version of it, too, I think 22:34:59 <PeterT> Yexo: how do i get 0.7 source 22:35:09 <PeterT> same as before except change some coding? 22:35:18 <Yexo> svn checkout svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/0.7/ 0.7 22:35:25 <PeterT> ok 22:35:27 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@a82-95-167-159.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:28 <Yexo> that instead of "svn checkout .../trunk/" 22:35:38 *** Milloflex [ABC123@h-85-185.A175.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 22:35:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16275 /branches/0.7/src/lang/ (31 files): [0.7] -Backport a lot of language updates from trunk. 22:36:32 <PeterT> ok 22:38:11 <Ammler> torahteen: we disable wait times completly, why do you need the trains to reverse? 22:38:32 <Yexo> torahteen: do list_settings 22:39:05 <PeterT> Yexo: svn: URL 'svn://svn.openttd.org/branches/0.7/0.7' doesnt exist 22:39:36 <Ammler> space 22:39:39 <TrueBrain> ... still no improvement :) 22:40:04 <Ammler> but if you call the folder like the branch, you don't need it. 22:40:54 <Ammler> (the 2nd 0.7) 22:40:56 <PeterT> ok whats the code? 22:41:09 <Yexo> read the above lines very carefully 22:41:28 <Ammler> or better c&p it ;-) 22:41:48 <PeterT> cant c&p into mingw.... :( 22:41:59 <PeterT> says the same thing again 22:42:14 <Yexo> then reread again, and reread "<Ammler> space " 22:42:44 <Yexo> and you can paste by pressing shift+insert 22:42:54 <Yexo> or pressing your middle mouse button 22:43:13 <PeterT> Ammler: space where? 22:43:21 <Ammler> where would you? 22:43:23 <TrueBrain> space man 22:43:35 <TrueBrain> he, I know a good joke about space craps! .... :p 22:43:52 <Yexo> PeterT: compare the url from the error you get with the url I gave you 22:43:52 <PeterT> ok c&p, now it works 22:44:12 <PeterT> tell ya when its done..... 22:44:28 <PeterT> you cant beleive how much i appreciate this. 22:45:08 <PeterT> ok its done 22:45:10 <Ammler> which patch do you apply? 22:45:20 <PeterT> but it said "checked out revision 16275" 22:45:26 <Yexo> that's ok 22:45:29 <PeterT> Ammler: close airports patch 22:45:40 <PeterT> Yexo: ok good, got worried 22:45:50 <PeterT> its done downloading 22:45:56 <Ammler> well, that patch won't work on 0.7 servers 22:46:03 <PeterT> ok 22:46:08 <Ammler> so you could as easy use trunk 22:46:12 <PeterT> well ill play by myself 22:46:21 <PeterT> Ammler: patch is made for 0.7 22:46:49 <Ammler> he :-o 22:47:02 <PeterT> Yexo: im gonna run the same coding as compiling before 22:47:09 <Ammler> at least the pacher should know that ;-) 22:47:13 <Ammler> t 22:47:18 <PeterT> Yexo: will that work? 22:47:29 <Yexo> PeterT: just try... 22:47:35 <Ammler> or is that a close patch, which just skppes the orders? 22:47:51 <Ammler> that might work with 0.7 22:48:05 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 22:48:16 <PeterT> ok i need to go for a while 22:48:29 <PeterT> how long are ya gonna be here? 22:49:19 <Ammler> dutch devs are here all the time. 22:49:26 <PeterT> ok 22:49:28 <PeterT> g2g 22:51:41 *** torahteen [~Jordan@12-175-226-221.dsl-cust.gwtc.net] has left #openttd [] 23:01:59 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226197010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:12:54 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcdc7.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:21 <PeterT> back 23:15:38 <PeterT> nobody said anything while i was gone? 23:16:00 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:32 <PeterT> Yexo? 23:16:45 <PeterT> i just finished the "make" command 23:16:49 <Yexo> good 23:16:50 <PeterT> what do i do now? 23:16:55 <Yexo> play the game :) 23:17:01 <Yexo> it's in the bin/ dir 23:17:09 <PeterT> with the patch in the source dir? 23:17:15 <Yexo> did you apply the patch? 23:17:20 <PeterT> how? 23:17:30 <Yexo> patch -p0 < patchfile.diff 23:17:38 <PeterT> .diff? 23:17:42 <PeterT> i have .patch? 23:17:45 <Yexo> that's ok 23:17:47 <Yexo> that doesn't matter 23:18:02 <PeterT> ok 23:18:22 <Yexo> after you've done that, do "make" again 23:18:52 <PeterT> and replace "patchfile" with the name? 23:19:12 <Yexo> ... 23:19:14 <Yexo> did you try? 23:19:16 <PeterT> yes 23:19:21 <Yexo> well? 23:19:27 <PeterT> no such file or directory 23:19:51 <Yexo> does "ls" show the file? 23:20:06 <Yexo> if no, then you haven't put it in the correct directory, or you are not in the correct directory 23:20:52 <PeterT> it does 23:21:03 <PeterT> airport-close-v6-0.7.0.patch 23:21:12 <PeterT> "makefile" 23:21:28 <PeterT> oh wait forget this /\ 23:21:32 <Yexo> and you did type "patch -p0 < airport-close-v6-0.7.0.patch"? 23:21:39 <PeterT> forget the "make file" 23:22:03 <PeterT> ok 23:22:04 <PeterT> now 23:22:17 <PeterT> can't find file to patch at input line 5 23:22:18 * Chruker checks the beach to see if there is a life guard on duty 23:22:32 <Yexo> please copy paste what I said you to type 23:22:43 <PeterT> i did 23:22:58 <PeterT> it asks for "file to patch" 23:23:31 <Yexo> can you type "head airport...." and copy the output to paste.openttd.org? (replace airport... by the filename) 23:24:01 <PeterT> "head airport" as a command? 23:24:12 <Yexo> no, "head airport-close-v6-0.7.0.patch" 23:24:43 <PeterT> no such file or directory 23:25:24 <Yexo> you should know my reply to that by now 23:25:30 <PeterT> ok 23:25:33 <PeterT> hold on one sec 23:25:39 <PeterT> not in "ls" 23:25:43 <PeterT> im in the wrong directory 23:26:06 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 23:26:31 <PeterT> how do i copy this from the mingw console to paste.openttd.org? 23:27:26 <PeterT> ok its in paste.openttd.org 23:27:37 <PeterT> http://paste.openttd.org/182757 23:27:52 <Yexo> use "-p1" instead of "-p0" 23:28:09 <PeterT> ok 23:28:15 <oskari89> Damn that ZyXel firewall/router.. 23:28:21 <Yexo> you can see "diff --git" in the patch, for git and hg patches you need to use -p1 23:28:21 <oskari89> I cannot use FTP :/ 23:28:40 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-16-69.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: no. just, no.] 23:29:20 <PeterT> i'll copy and paste what happened into paste.openttd.org 23:30:09 <PeterT> http://paste.openttd.org/182758 23:30:32 <Xaroth> that means it was patching :o 23:30:36 <PeterT> great :D 23:30:39 <PeterT> now "make"? 23:30:48 <Yexo> yes 23:30:48 <Xaroth> yep 23:30:56 <PeterT> got it 23:31:05 <PeterT> thanks 23:31:55 <PeterT> after this, play? 23:32:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B768FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:02 <Xaroth> yep 23:33:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C70.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:54 <PeterT> what i dont understand is, why does "patch -p0 patchfile.diff" patch it 23:34:36 <Xaroth> because you tell it to? 23:34:48 <Xaroth> -p0 tells it to patch the files using a specific format 23:34:53 <Xaroth> -p1 is a different format 23:35:17 *** Fogel [~Fogel@82.160.60.140] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:35:43 <PeterT> oh, so -p0 is .diff? 23:35:51 <PeterT> and -p1 is .patch? 23:36:44 <PeterT> ok its done 23:37:59 <Eddi|zuHause> no, -p0/1 does have absolutely nothing to do with .patch/.diff 23:38:13 <PeterT> YES IT WORKS!!!! :D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 23:38:50 <Xaroth> as eddi said 23:38:57 <Xaroth> it doesn't have to do with the file extension 23:39:03 <Xaroth> it has to do with the file content 23:39:05 <Eddi|zuHause> (/kick PeterT Satzzeichen sind keine Rudeltiere) 23:39:17 <Xaroth> o_O 23:39:20 <PeterT> what? 23:39:23 *** jpm_ [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:25 <PeterT> kick PeterT? 23:39:27 *** jpm [~pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 23:40:05 <Yexo> don't worry, Eddi|zuHause can't kick you from here :) 23:40:13 <PeterT> ok 23:40:16 <PeterT> Yexo 23:40:23 <Sacro> PeterT: it doesn't 23:40:27 * Yexo is waiting from an "but I can" kick from someone :p 23:40:29 <Sacro> you need to do -i InputFile 23:40:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CE93.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:33 <Sacro> or < InputFile 23:40:40 <PeterT> input file, for what? 23:40:40 <Sacro> otherwise it'll just hang waiting for input 23:40:55 <Sacro> 00:33 < PeterT> what i dont understand is, why does "patch -p0 patchfile.diff" patch it 23:40:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Yexo] by DorpsGek 23:40:57 <Yexo> Sacro: don't confuse him more then you have to 23:41:09 <Sacro> Yexo: i'm not trying to confuse him 23:41:20 <PeterT> what is inputfile for? 23:41:20 <SmatZ> now you can :-p 23:41:23 <Sacro> he'll be more confused if you don't point out that that line won't patch it 23:41:35 <Sacro> I know I was the first time it sat and did nothing 23:41:39 <Yexo> SmatZ: I could do it with DorpsGek without that :) 23:41:50 <SmatZ> ahh ok :) 23:41:56 *** mode/#openttd [-o Yexo] by DorpsGek 23:41:58 <PeterT> so, what is inputfile for?! 23:42:04 <Yexo> you don't ahve to be op for @kick to work :) 23:42:07 <Sacro> PeterT: telling it which patch file to use 23:42:16 <Sacro> so you want -i patchfile.diff 23:42:42 <Sacro> so your full command is 'patch -p0 -i patchfile.diff' 23:42:51 <PeterT> ill just stick to "patch -p0 patchfile.diff 23:42:53 <Yexo> PeterT: what Sacro is telling you is that "patch -p1 -i patchfile.diff" is the same as "patch -p1 < patchfile.diff" 23:43:05 <Yexo> PeterT: you need to use either "<" or "-i" 23:43:10 <PeterT> Yexo: but the added -i is for? 23:43:23 <Sacro> PeterT: that won't work, hence the point of my comment 23:43:24 <Eddi|zuHause> for it working at all 23:43:27 <PeterT> Yexo: why not just "patch -p0 patch.diff" 23:43:28 <Yexo> execute "patch -h" and you'll know 23:43:39 <Sacro> you need to tell it the patch file you want it to use 23:43:58 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: because that uses patch.diff as output file, not as input file 23:44:19 <Yexo> it comes down to this: patch (the program) needs to know that patchfile.diff is a filename, and not another argument 23:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> but you don't want to modify the patch file 23:45:16 <PeterT> ok, it worked before with "patch -p0 patchfile.diff" can i just use that? 23:45:27 <Sacro> errm 23:45:30 <Yexo> no, and it didn't work before with that 23:45:40 <Yexo> it worked with "patch -p0 < patchfile.diff" 23:45:41 <Sacro> i'd personally file a bug 23:45:44 <PeterT> i mean "patch -p1 patchfile.patch" 23:45:47 <Sacro> because it shouldn't work like that :\ 23:46:09 <Yexo> but if it really works, sure, use it 23:46:17 <PeterT> ok 23:46:19 <PeterT> i get it 23:46:22 <PeterT> it should be 23:46:34 <PeterT> "patch -p0 -i file.diff" 23:46:38 <Sacro> Yes 23:46:39 <Yexo> yes 23:46:41 <PeterT> im looking at the forums 23:46:56 <Sacro> -i tells patch that you're specifying input from a file 23:47:04 <PeterT> or as darkvater says: "i usually use patch -p0 < file.diff" 23:47:19 <Sacro> i think that syntax may file with huge diff files 23:47:40 <Sacro> am I right in thinking that'll buffer the whole file into RAM first? 23:47:51 <PeterT> i find the applying patch/diff files sortof confusing 23:47:58 <PeterT> it doesnt tell you that you need to compile first 23:48:04 <Sacro> because you don't 23:48:21 *** Sol2 [ZISN2.9@222.110.103.225] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:48:39 <Sacro> extract, patch, configure, make, execute 23:48:50 <PeterT> so i just apply the patch to my previously installed 0.7.0 with tortoise svn? 23:49:22 <PeterT> ok, well i get it, dont confuse me 23:49:52 <Sacro> no, you can only apply a patch to the source 23:49:52 <PeterT> Yexo: do you think there will be a multiplayer server name search? 23:49:56 <PeterT> ok 23:50:28 <Yexo> PeterT: now you have it working without tortoisesvn, please don't start to use it 23:50:40 <PeterT> ok 23:50:55 <PeterT> i sorta enjoy entering these codes 23:51:00 <Yexo> do you think there will be a multiplayer server name search? <- not in 0.7, in trunk maybe 23:51:02 <Yexo> dunno 23:51:12 <Yexo> if someone codes it, maybe 23:51:29 <PeterT> can i code it (<-------total noob) 23:51:36 <PeterT> is it hard to code? 23:51:52 <Yexo> if you never programmed anything before, yes 23:51:54 <Eddi|zuHause> if you code it, he will come 23:51:58 <Yexo> otherwise it's not very hard 23:52:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-9-30-116.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:52:05 *** Guest1543 [~brian@client-82-9-30-116.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 23:52:17 <Yexo> but I'm not going to help you code it 23:53:04 <PeterT> ok, dont, ill search on the internet 23:53:12 <PeterT> do you need to know C++? 23:53:20 <Yexo> yes 23:53:23 <PeterT> ok 23:53:28 <Sacro> I'd say so 23:53:29 <PeterT> is it easy to learn? 23:53:34 <Sacro> random chance could prevail though... 23:53:42 <Sacro> PeterT: depnds what you compare it to :) 23:54:34 <PeterT> is it like "here is 2 commands, now you know C++" or "study this for hours and program a sodoku game" 23:54:53 <Sacro> latter 23:56:03 <Chruker> you may want to replace hours with something indicating a longer time frame 23:56:04 <Yexo> it's more like study it for months 23:56:10 <Chruker> :-) 23:57:10 <PeterT> oh darn 23:57:16 <PeterT> well, im on my way... 23:57:25 <PeterT> when did you start Yexo? 23:57:44 <Yexo> programming? 7 years ago 23:58:58 <PeterT> ok 23:59:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i started when i was 12 23:59:06 <PeterT> check this: http://wiki.openttd.org/BuildOTTD 23:59:13 <PeterT> i edited it 23:59:19 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: same here, for me that's 7 years ago :) 23:59:49 <Eddi|zuHause> that was before TT