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00:00:09 <dragonhorseboy> I do use my single-platform layout a lot if the cities are suitable on the skirt tho ;) 00:01:59 <Eddi|zuHause> <dragonhorseboy> theholyduck here's first one uploaded... http://g.imagehost.org/0059/4_way_junction.png <- really, which kind of ancient version are you using... 00:02:12 <Eddi|zuHause> even the elrail-elevation is all wrong... 00:02:58 <dragonhorseboy> its not standard grf.. did you even looked at the track ties? 00:03:21 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@90.242.197.69] has joined #openttd 00:03:37 <Eddi|zuHause> not talking about the grf... 00:03:52 <dragonhorseboy> well the grf set the custom bridges anyway so there 00:04:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm talking about the height of the catenary 00:04:21 <Eddi|zuHause> the grf has nothing to do with that 00:04:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it was an ancient error in openttd 00:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause> which got fixed years ago 00:04:45 <dragonhorseboy> umm you're contradicting yourself.. grf = replaces original sprites&elevation 00:04:57 <Eddi|zuHause> no 00:05:05 <Eddi|zuHause> the grf can only replace the sprites 00:05:09 <Eddi|zuHause> not fix the elevation 00:06:02 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-139-252.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 00:06:35 <dragonhorseboy> (its even in the parameters to 1. use default ottd or new style with fixed heads 2. default or new wires) 00:06:51 <petern> Maybe it's r8930 ;p 00:06:59 <dragonhorseboy> petern..nope 00:08:13 <petern> r11054 fixed what Eddi|zuHause is talking about 00:08:33 <dragonhorseboy> and I could had fixed it too if I was bothered setting the parameters to 1 + 1 00:09:16 <dragonhorseboy> its only 0+1 now 00:10:23 <dragonhorseboy> 0.5.3 doesn't even want to display anything at all anyway 00:10:49 <dragonhorseboy> brb 00:10:53 <petern> ... 00:13:09 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-166-26-17.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:14:09 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.221.214] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC] 00:17:06 <dragonhorseboy> back 00:28:30 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@90.242.197.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:28:43 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@90.242.197.69] has joined #openttd 00:30:45 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:31:07 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 00:37:13 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@90.242.197.69] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:39:25 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051237015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:43:20 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:47:31 *** dragonhorseboy [~dragonhor@modemcable160.111-57-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 01:09:08 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> synthon.oftc.net quits: SirSquidness, Bergee, Nite_Owl, Eddi|zuHause, @Belugas, Splex, mikegrb, Lachie, rain````, CIA-3, (+16 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 01:10:30 *** Netsplit over, joins: db48x, Rexxars, CIA-3, Tefad, ccfreak2k 01:11:23 *** Netsplit over, joins: Nite_Owl 01:12:53 *** rain```` [rain@24-183-138-238.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] 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compiling do you use the Makefile.win? 01:22:13 <glx> I use "make -f Makefile.win PREFIX:= CP_TO_EXE:=" 01:22:52 <glx> (so it finds gcc and doesn't copy exe to exe :) ) 01:46:00 <Lakie> Can't see why that'd have issues 01:46:09 <Lakie> Use a similar line here and it builds fine 01:46:14 <Lakie> (cygwin though) 01:52:23 <glx> msys 01:52:56 <glx> so makefile thinks I'm on linux trying to crosscompile :) 01:53:44 *** UFO64-B [~jmurray@cpe-24-31-129-140.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:54:01 <glx> and I need to tell it I'm not 02:03:54 <Sacro> "Members I Currently Like: Bennythenoob, 2007Alain2007, Eddi " 02:04:09 <Sacro> poor chap, he has no sense 02:05:13 <Eddi|zuHause> it was funnier when i was on the "hate" side :p 02:06:23 <Sacro> haha 02:06:30 <Sacro> now you're grouped with a noob and a spammer 02:08:18 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 02:09:53 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f0ea:5178:b723:3f87] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:12:48 <Eddi|zuHause> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/06/funny-pictures-was-really-invented/ <- something for your good dragon-friend ;) 02:13:01 *** davis` [~iloveme@p5B28E15E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:13:06 <Sacro> welshdragon: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/06/funny-pictures-was-really-invented/ 02:21:32 <De_Ghosty> is site down? 02:23:20 <Sacro> De_Ghosty: www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com 02:24:01 *** Tron [~tron@g226206192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 02:25:26 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-166-26-17.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:26:49 *** Tron__ [~tron@f051232036.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:27:07 *** Potatoe [~jkg@ti0006a380-dhcp1014.bb.online.no] has quit [] 02:39:22 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 02:40:03 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm70.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 03:08:54 *** TinoDidriksen 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07:48:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:50:18 *** Fogel [~Fogel@82.160.60.140] has joined #openttd 07:50:22 <Fogel> hello 07:50:56 <Fogel> does tunnel/station have built-in signals like depots? 07:53:06 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.207.200] has joined #openttd 07:56:20 <Aali> no 07:57:20 <Fogel> :< 07:58:57 <Fogel> any ideas how to make sth like metro, 2x2 stations, without destroying too much buildings?? 07:59:02 <Fogel> s/??/? 08:14:59 <Ammler> tunnels and pbs 08:16:28 <andythenorth_> correct me if I'm being foolish...with pbs, platform exit/entrance signals don't seem to be needed? 08:18:33 <Forked> you need the exit one, else the train will reserve a path beyond the station? 08:23:16 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:23:18 <andythenorth_> Forked: (tests in game) you're quite right. 08:23:29 <Forked> :) 08:26:07 <andythenorth_> just seen something new in nightlies (r16470)...far end, near end, middle station routing?? 08:29:34 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 08:29:57 <_ln> remember to vote, citizens 08:31:48 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 08:34:08 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 08:36:31 <planetmaker> Rubidium: thanks for the nforenum binary! :) 08:40:55 <andythenorth_> Rubidium: second thanks here :) 08:42:23 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 08:45:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:49:16 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:54:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fefe1.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 08:56:53 <Fogel> ihaw! i just found polish train set! 08:57:37 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 08:57:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-18-1.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 09:01:49 *** Cybertinus 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<planetmaker> Rubidium: initially I though 'all fine'. I managed to hit an assertion though right now 10:01:18 <planetmaker> NFORenum v3.4.6 r2117 - Copyright 2004-2009 Dale McCoy. 10:01:20 <planetmaker> Error: String 3207996 does not exist. 10:01:21 <planetmaker> messages.cpp:143: failed assertion `false' 10:01:23 <planetmaker> make: *** [sprites/firs.nfo] Abort trap 10:02:11 <planetmaker> with current checkout of the firs repository: hg clone http://mz.openttdcoop.org/hg/firs 10:03:42 <planetmaker> I'll test with windows, too 10:04:30 <frosch123> works for me 10:05:01 <Rubidium> could be some big endian issue 10:05:38 <planetmaker> well. windows r2114 works fine 10:06:20 <Rubidium> are you running on PPC? 10:06:33 <planetmaker> it's an intel mac with 10.4.11 running 10:07:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81856.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 10:07:42 <Rubidium> oh, then I've got no idea ;) 10:07:45 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81856.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:07:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:07:59 <planetmaker> he... :S 10:09:31 <planetmaker> same on other grs or rather nfo files 10:10:37 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:22 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:18:23 *** racetrack [~racetrack@c114-76-16-69.eburwd4.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: no. just, no.] 10:29:48 <Rubidium> planetmaker: make: *** No rule to make target `sprites/nfo/.pnfo', needed by `grf'. Stop. 10:29:53 <Rubidium> that doesn't sound good 10:29:58 <planetmaker> ups. 10:30:07 <planetmaker> seems like I have it and then messed around 10:30:17 <planetmaker> touch it and it should work, though 10:30:48 <Rubidium> an empty file? 10:31:00 <planetmaker> yup 10:31:30 <planetmaker> it shouldn't be included / generated. But obviously is. 10:31:40 <Rubidium> okay, nforenum r2117 works fine for me 10:32:06 <planetmaker> on the pearpc? 10:32:15 <planetmaker> or lin / win? 10:32:21 <Rubidium> pearpc fails for me, just plain linux 10:32:33 <planetmaker> yeah, I expect that. r2117 is the same as r2116 10:32:42 <Rubidium> on x86/amd64 10:32:42 <planetmaker> just makefile difference for cleaning 10:35:56 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36:25 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:41:58 <Rubidium> planetmaker: does http://rbijker.net/openttd/renum-osx-r2117.tar.bz2 work? If not then I got no clue how to fix and/or debug it 10:43:31 <Xaroth> AutoTTD 0.2.0.13 done \o/ http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=43252 10:48:13 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I'm afraid that whatever you changed didn't solve the assert. 10:57:34 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46017.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:02:11 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.207.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:04:38 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 11:07:39 <Rubidium> planetmaker: then you better remove the binary ;) 11:07:53 <planetmaker> indeed 11:14:15 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:34:03 *** davis` [~iloveme@p5B28EC7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:50 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:56 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46017.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 12:08:01 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:12:13 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b8f0:11b4:df97:7b10] has joined #openttd 12:12:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:17:34 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa34f.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 12:19:07 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:32:20 *** Fogel [~Fogel@82.160.60.140] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 12:43:21 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:50:19 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 12:56:22 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-113-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:56:59 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm70.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:10:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm70.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:10:21 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46017.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:19:39 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20:36 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiy111.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 13:23:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-13-34-135.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: frosch * r16528 /trunk/src/ (4 files): -Fix [FS#2959]: Draw PBS reservation as groundsprite resp. childsprite of foundation/bridgehead. 13:25:49 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 13:29:22 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: yexo * r16529 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_station.cpp: -Fix [NoAI]: StationIDs from oilrigs were not considered valid by the API. 13:54:09 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.12.51] has joined #openttd 13:54:53 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:56:23 *** rain```` [rain@24-183-138-238.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:00 *** rain```` [rain@24-183-138-238.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 13:57:34 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:00:03 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226138145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:01:57 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:07:16 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051237015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:07:16 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 14:20:04 *** lewymati [~lewymati@aeiy111.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 14:26:36 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:27:24 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:31:10 *** davis` [~iloveme@p5B28EC7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 14:31:22 *** davis` [~iloveme@p5B28EC7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:34:56 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: alberth * r16530 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Fix [FS#2964], (r16501): Deduct additional widget length given away to a child from the total (Hirundo). 14:36:01 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... the longest part of voting is folding that huge sheet of paper until it fits into the slot... 14:40:00 <Alberth> Especially since 'it should be folded such that the candidates are not visible'. That didn't quite work, the paper was too thin. 14:42:28 <glx> that's why we use envelopes 14:43:24 <frosch123> yeah, last time it was only folded two or three times, this time 5 or 6 :) 14:45:27 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:50:12 <planetmaker> hehe. Yes, I was a bit amazed by the size of the paper sheet. 14:50:42 <planetmaker> but folding 3 times sufficed: 2^3 = 8 :P 14:51:15 <planetmaker> but it fit through the slot of the ballot box just, not much space left left and right of it. 14:52:01 <KingJ> This the Euro elections? 14:52:36 <frosch123> yes 14:53:00 <KingJ> Voted last thursday, huge ballot paper too 14:53:29 <frosch123> in most countries you can only wait on the last sunday 14:53:30 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:53:38 <frosch123> s/wait/vote/ 14:54:05 <Eddi|zuHause> german election law says that any elections must be on a sunday 14:57:09 <Rubidium> to get a strong separation of state and church? 14:58:29 <Rubidium> or doesn't the church in Germany say that one shouldn't work on Sunday? 14:58:31 <frosch123> hehe, voting is restricted to 10am to 11am, either vote or go to church :) 14:58:43 <KingJ> Tough choice ;P 14:58:59 <Rubidium> except when you're priest, then you have to work on Sunday... something's messed up I'd say 14:59:12 <frosch123> or housewife 15:05:51 <glx> the range here is 8am to 8pm 15:06:12 <glx> though for smaller towns it ends at 6pm 15:12:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: no, the sunday is protected as a working-free day, so voting should be on sunday because people have enough spare time to go to vote 15:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and there is no such thing as a strong separation of state and church... for example the church tax is collected by state institutions 15:25:11 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46017.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:26:46 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16531 /branches/0.7/src/ (11 files in 3 dirs): 15:26:46 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 15:26:46 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] StationIDs from oilrigs were not considered valid by the API (r16529) 15:26:46 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: Draw PBS reservation as groundsprite resp. childsprite of foundation/bridgehead [FS#2959] (r16528) 15:26:46 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: Missing guards in the NoAI API making it possible to hit an assert in OpenTTD [FS#2963] (r16524) 15:26:47 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Possible assert in AI debug window when an AI was stopped an a human company took its CompanyID [FS#2962] (r16522) 15:26:49 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Make sure AIBridge::BuildBridge returns what the documentation says it does (r16520) 15:35:41 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-113-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 15:39:07 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-113-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:43:59 <Hirundo> Alberth: suggestion: NWidgetBase::GetRect() <- returns a rectangle (Rect) with top/left/right/bottom like the old widgets 15:46:10 *** Forked [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:47:07 <Rubidium> did he just try to fork the internet and run it dedicated? 15:49:00 <Eddi|zuHause> is that such a bad idea? :p 15:53:32 <Rubidium> depends on what kind of forking has been done 15:54:24 <Eddi|zuHause> "if i format my harddrive, does the internet stay on it?" 15:54:49 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: yexo * r16532 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp: -Fix [Squirrel]: Don't copy an object when we just checked that the pointer to it is NULL 16:11:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fefe1.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:26 *** Hirundo_ [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:21:46 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21:56 *** Hirundo_ is now known as Hirundo 16:25:12 <Alberth> Hirundo: why would that be needed? 16:27:11 <Hirundo> Not really any more, I developed a workaround which turned out to be better than the original idea :) 16:27:20 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:26 <Hirundo> Still, it could save a bit of code duplication 16:28:39 <Hirundo> Is it true / intended that new widgets react differently when clicking on widgets of type WWT_EMPTY? 16:30:40 <Alberth> the intention is to eliminate them (i think their only purpose is to fill some places in the widget array to prevent other widgets from shifting) 16:31:03 <Alberth> I see no use for them in the nested widgets 16:31:47 <Hirundo> I currently use them to align some stuff (icons and text) in vertical columns 16:32:01 <Hirundo> Should I see this as obsolete / deprecated ? 16:32:24 <glx> I used WWT_EMPTY for virtual columns (text alignment) 16:32:55 <Alberth> one should use NWID_SPACER for alignment 16:33:14 <glx> with spacers too :) 16:33:37 <glx> WWT_EMPTY is useful to draw string on panels 16:34:40 <Hirundo> are spacer widgets included in the nested_array, or are they only used during initialization? 16:35:09 <Alberth> they are part of the tree, and can fill and/or resize 16:35:42 <Hirundo> I'll try them 16:36:18 <Alberth> they are currently not in the nested array, but at least the stacked widgets seem useful to have there, so who knows. 16:37:06 <Alberth> any particular reason they should be in the nested_array? 16:37:29 <Hirundo> to access their coordinates, so I can draw strings on them 16:37:54 <Alberth> why not use a label for that? 16:38:38 <glx> for some windows it's "impossible" 16:39:22 <Hirundo> ^^ The layout is similar to the finances window, many lines of text arranged in columns 16:39:33 <glx> like when you have to draw unknown number of line in a column 16:40:38 <glx> well it's possible to generate the window dynamically 16:40:38 <Alberth> our widgets w.r.t. text are very limited atm, I agree we need to expand there so more complex output is possible 16:44:34 <Alberth> this weekend, I read an article about Qt4, that allows html in the text for layout etc. That could be a direction (although it would be necessary to always generate the whole contents as text first, which seems less than optimal). 16:45:07 <planetmaker> hehe. qt4-ify openttd :) 16:45:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E139.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:21 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fefe1.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:45:24 <Rubidium> please not html... then they want CSS too and then they want to be able to browse, so they want javascript and plugin support too 16:45:35 <planetmaker> lol :) 16:45:43 <Alberth> we'll use squirrel ;) 16:46:25 <Alberth> but yeah, html seems too complicated for our purposes. 16:48:09 *** Hirundo_ [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:49:38 *** Hirundo__ [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:51:39 *** Hirundo___ [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:53:39 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:51 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:54 *** Hirundo_ [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:51 *** Hirundo__ [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:06 *** Hirundo___ [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm70.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:46:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: translators * r16533 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 17:46:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-06-07 17:45:47 17:46:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: icelandic - 8 fixed, 50 changed by scrooge (58) 17:46:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: russian - 8 fixed, 28 changed by Lone Wolf (36) 17:46:26 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: serbian - 100 fixed by etran (100) 17:46:42 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:46:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:09:08 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:02 *** Mist [mist@106.84-234-138.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 18:16:11 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:38 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:20:24 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:22:47 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:23:08 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 18:23:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Hirundo: ever considered getting a more stable connection? 18:25:56 <dihedral> hoo hoo 18:26:32 <Nite_Owl> Hello dihedral 18:26:48 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:27:57 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has joined #openttd 18:31:29 <planetmaker> hm... may OpenTTD assert, if I delete files in the newgrf / data folder while the newgrf window is open? 18:32:06 <blathijs> planetmaker: OpenTTD should never assert, whatever you do 18:32:24 <blathijs> (okay, if you manually flip bits in OpenTTD's memory, then perhaps it is allowed to assert) 18:32:59 <planetmaker> I just had the newgrf selection window open and then in the file system manager deleted a newgrf. 18:33:31 <planetmaker> .../src/fileio.cpp:340: failed assertion `f != NULL' 18:33:54 <planetmaker> it's a modified version and I'll test it in unmodified trunk, though 18:36:27 <planetmaker> hm, another person got the same with unmodified trunk 18:37:57 <blathijs> Doesn't surprise me that it breaks, but it should be fixed I guess 18:38:11 <planetmaker> I'm not overly surprised either :) 18:38:26 <planetmaker> I'll make a report 18:39:32 <frosch123> also specify whether plain newgrf or tar :) 18:39:56 <andythenorth> I get a similar newgrf window crash with r16470 and r15297 (both mac). applies to both grf and .tar. reproducible. 18:44:45 <planetmaker> frosch123: thanks for the pointer, would have forgotten :) . It's a tar here 18:50:15 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46017.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:02 <planetmaker> but report submitted. 19:01:52 <Nite_Owl> Ooo - a but report - who's but got reported is the question 19:02:32 <Rubidium> most of the files that are removed cause trouble with OpenTTD 19:05:53 <planetmaker> well. can be expected, sort of. 19:06:07 *** theholyduck_ [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:20 <planetmaker> but a crash when re-scanning the file list is a bit unexpected 19:07:15 <planetmaker> especially as sometimes it becomes necessary to remove files in order to get the correct version ;) 19:09:12 *** Hirundo_ [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:09:19 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:09:27 *** Hirundo_ is now known as Hirundo 19:11:24 <planetmaker> Rubidium: how much effort is it for you to make nforenum r2120? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=794385#p794385 19:12:49 <Eddi|zuHause> would it make sense to make "nightly" builds in the compile farm? 19:14:15 <Rubidium> could be done, but it requires some changes to the make system of nforenum/grfcodec 19:14:35 <Rubidium> also grfcodec uses asm and I don't know how well that's portable to ppc 19:14:45 <planetmaker> It's an interesting idea, IMO, though 19:15:27 <planetmaker> at least grfcodec runs here. But it's an intel mac 19:18:22 <DaleStan> The asm that grfcodec uses should be pretty portable; there's no code in there. At most, there's a label, a 32-bit length, and a string of that length. The string happens to be the output of the linker, but that shouldn't be an issue, provided it exists. 19:18:53 *** dihedral is now known as crap 19:18:59 <planetmaker> :O 19:19:00 *** crap is now known as dihedral 19:19:11 <DaleStan> :O 19:19:26 <DaleStan> The length might have to be endian-swapped. 19:20:12 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@94.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:20:17 <Rubidium> and for OSX there's fat binaries (PPC + i686) 19:20:21 <Eddi|zuHause> why does a string have to be given in asm? 19:20:32 <Rubidium> and I don't know whether UPX plays nice with that 19:21:00 <planetmaker> Rubidium: nothing bad happens, though, if for this case there'd be separate binaries, I think 19:21:21 <Rubidium> planetmaker: then 'point and drool' won't work anymore 19:21:28 <Rubidium> for half of the users 19:21:30 <planetmaker> but upx worked on my grfcodec here. 19:21:45 <planetmaker> yes. But people who "point and drool" don't code nfo either 19:21:57 <Rubidium> although, point and drool and console tools don't work together 19:22:20 <planetmaker> :) 19:23:22 <DaleStan> <Eddi|zuHause> why does a string have to be given in asm? <-- Because C and C++ don't have a verb for "copy this file byte-for-byte into the output binary". 19:23:51 <DaleStan> Or if they do, I don't know it. 19:24:08 <Rubidium> planetmaker: try http://rbijker.net/openttd/renum-osx-r2120.tar.bz2 19:24:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know what you do with that string 19:24:26 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-24-31-129-140.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:24:32 <DaleStan> It could be massaged through Perl, I suppose. 19:24:34 <planetmaker> Rubidium: compiled with DEBUG=1 ? 19:24:38 <Rubidium> yup 19:24:45 <planetmaker> thanks. I'll test right away 19:25:14 <DaleStan> It's a executable, so grfdiff can make .EXEs instead of GRDs. 19:25:37 <DaleStan> Rubidium, planetmaker: Thanks for going bug-hunting for me. 19:26:10 <planetmaker> well, no worries. I have a kinda big self-interest in solving that :) 19:26:27 <Eddi|zuHause> does anyone even use grfdiff? 19:27:25 <planetmaker> now... that's interesting: 19:27:28 <planetmaker> NFORENUM processing: 19:27:30 <planetmaker> renum -w 141 sprites/firs.nfo 19:27:32 <planetmaker> NFORenum v3.4.6 r2120 - Copyright 2004-2009 Dale McCoy. 19:27:33 <planetmaker> Could not open output file "sprites/firs.nfo.new" for input "sprites/firs.nfo". 19:27:35 <planetmaker> make: [sprites/firs.nfo] Error 6 (ignored) 19:29:02 <planetmaker> I really wonder why that file cannot be opened. 19:29:26 *** elmz [~elmz@ti0207a340-dhcp0258.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 19:29:40 <planetmaker> both win and mac compile on the same directory 19:30:05 <frosch123> what about eol style? 19:30:06 <planetmaker> it's in my home directory in my mac account (win is a VM with access there) 19:30:35 <DaleStan> What happens if you $ touch sprites/firs.nfo.new 19:30:44 *** UFO64 [~jmurray@cpe-24-31-129-140.maine.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:32:12 <planetmaker> DaleStan: same thing 19:33:55 <DaleStan> No. What was the output of touch? Did it work? 19:34:09 <planetmaker> well. no output. 19:34:16 <planetmaker> so, yes, it worked: http://paste.openttd.org/183221 19:35:54 <Rubidium> could it be that I 'just' copied the boost headers from debian? 19:37:26 <planetmaker> hm... I wondered the same when grfcodec didn't work in my VM. I used the 'mac' boost library there 19:37:37 <planetmaker> *compilation of grfcodec 19:38:10 <planetmaker> but let's not disgress from renum for now :) 19:39:25 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/renum <- messed a bit with the compiler flags 19:39:31 <Rubidium> it's i686 only 19:40:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:40:33 <DaleStan> <boost headers> <-- Unlikely. NFORenum uses standard C and C++ for file IO, not boost. 19:47:50 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:48:05 <planetmaker> testing... 19:50:27 <planetmaker> ... with the same result, still. 19:52:06 <DaleStan> Rubidium: Can you compile with this patch applied? http://paste.openttd.org/183223 (With or without DEBUG; that was for getting more information out of the "String <something> does not exist." message.) 19:54:05 <Rubidium> planetmaker: new binary with ^ 19:55:08 <Rubidium> DaleStan: pastebin destroys patch files as it sees @@ as magic 'key' for highlighting and the download then has @@@@ which patch doesn't understand 19:56:31 <DaleStan> Oh. I guess I shouldn't have shoved the extra @@ in there, then. That @@@@ is my fault, not pastebin's. 20:00:09 *** andythenorth is now known as someone 20:00:28 *** someone is now known as andythenorth 20:01:29 <planetmaker> hm... Could not open output file "sprites/firs.nfo.new" for input "sprites/firs.nfo". 20:01:31 <planetmaker> Unknown error: 0 20:01:32 <planetmaker> make: [sprites/firs.nfo] Error 6 (ignored) 20:04:10 <planetmaker> so... except the "Unknown error: 0" the same basically. ^ DaleStan 20:04:41 <DaleStan> *pout* 20:05:16 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:05:51 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:06:42 *** [wito] [~wito@212.251.244.25] has joined #openttd 20:08:09 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:08:46 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-54472b36.wfd84a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:11:05 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:23 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 20:11:39 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:12:58 <_ln> Hirundo: does the peer hate you? 20:13:12 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46017.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Peer is angry because he lost the election 20:19:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fefe1.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20:38 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: yexo * r16534 /trunk/src/3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqstate.cpp: -Fix [Squirrel] [FS#2942]: fix crash that occured when an AI was halted while one or more generators were still in a 'running' state 20:21:20 <andythenorth> opinions? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2714 20:23:41 <_ln> it contains the r-word. 20:23:59 <andythenorth> yup, not liking that much :P 20:24:19 <_ln> you'd better hope it's night-time in Qu?bec. 20:24:24 <andythenorth> he he 20:24:57 <andythenorth> I don't care how realistic RV acceleration is. But it would be nice to have reasons to use one 35t truck instead of another... 20:25:05 <andythenorth> like one is faster, but can't climb hills 20:25:07 <andythenorth> etc 20:25:16 <Yexo> andythenorth: I share your opinion 20:25:26 <Yexo> as do several others, or it would have been implemented already 20:25:43 <Yexo> but I can't remember who exactly, need to search my logs for that 20:26:05 <andythenorth> I know it's not easy, I've read hertjogan's patch http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=22995&start=240 20:26:27 <andythenorth> but real physics aren't needed (unless they offer the easiest implementation) 20:27:20 <glx> call it improved instead realistic ;) 20:29:29 *** Brianett1 [~brian@client-82-13-33-45.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:10 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the problem with sharing the rv physics with the train physics code? 20:30:35 <Eddi|zuHause> and yes, the word "realistic" should be removed from both features 20:30:45 <andythenorth> glx: 'improved' would be exactly right. currently a 90t coal hauler travels up an n-tile hill at the same speed as a 22-bag mail truck. And as newgrf author, there's *nothing* I can do about that :( 20:30:49 *** Brianetta is now known as Guest1172 20:30:49 *** Brianett1 is now known as Brianetta 20:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i suggest calling the physics models "simple" and "advanced" 20:32:21 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=743270#p743270 20:32:55 *** Guest1172 [~brian@client-82-13-34-135.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:45 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=103625 20:38:49 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41:57 <Hirundo> How about an acceleration callback for vehicles? 20:42:04 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEa34f.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E139.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:59 <andythenorth> just looking again at http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0RoadVehicles#Realistic_acceleration_properties_13_14_15_ 20:44:19 <andythenorth> I wouldn't need air drag, but Roujin's hover bus might :) 20:45:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Hirundo: i have a feeling things called as often as vehicle acceleration should not be done via callbacks 20:45:58 <petern> i did rv acceleration some when 20:46:46 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:47:03 <andythenorth> seems like the newgrf specs contain already everything required... 20:47:19 <andythenorth> ...but it's a long time since I did real physics (10 years) 20:47:29 <andythenorth> at school 20:49:39 <andythenorth> key variables seem to be weight, horsepower and tractive effort? 20:50:44 <andythenorth> but even t/e might not be required. Just using hp would give gameplay differences between vehicles with same capacity. 20:51:54 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:00 <andythenorth> it's all about gameplay. balls to the realism :) 20:52:54 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 20:54:18 <Eddi|zuHause> TE is more relevant with trains, where you have rather low steel on steel friction 20:54:39 <Eddi|zuHause> with trucks you have rubber on cobblestone or rubber on asphalt friction 20:54:42 <andythenorth> well, in the picture linked above, how about low steel on ice friction :) 20:54:52 <andythenorth> (would need roadtypes though) :D 20:55:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that's actually a funny idea, to make friction depend on roadtype ;) 20:55:20 <andythenorth> it's what I would implement in HEQS if we had the possibility 20:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> that picture does not indicate anything like steel on ice 20:57:54 <andythenorth> the one featuring the bulldozer on snowy roads? 20:59:00 <glx> considering its weight and speed, it doesn't matter if the road is snowy or not :) 20:59:34 <Eddi|zuHause> but a crawler is not moved by friction 21:00:05 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: weight alone??? 21:00:11 <glx> it probably runs better on snow though 21:00:21 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's the shape that matters there 21:01:17 <andythenorth> crawlers/bulldozders rely mostly on weight. the general rule is "you can't push anything heavier than the bulldozer" 21:02:24 <andythenorth> as you'd see if you hang out a bit on this site :) http://heavyequipmentforums.com/Forum/ 21:03:48 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: brain-experiment: imagine trying to move a paper that is lying on the ground by a) putting your flat hand on the paper, and moving your hand, or b) picking an edge of the paper with two fingers and dragging the paper by these fingers 21:04:12 *** Hirundo__ [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause> both are "hand on paper friction", but one method works significantly better than the other 21:05:18 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it's difficult to explain technical stuff in a foreign language 21:05:23 *** Hirundo__ is now known as Hirundo 21:05:30 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't know enough words... 21:06:34 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 21:07:01 <andythenorth> you mean that the contact area of rubber tyres is tiny, whereas the contact area of crawler tracks is relatively huge? 21:07:48 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:08:07 <andythenorth> a large truck tyre often has a contact area of only square cm, where a crawler track may have square m. 21:08:42 <andythenorth> I feel we are only slightly off topic here :) If I was coding the newgrf to implement this, it would be on topic, right? :) 21:08:50 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's not the contact area, it's the angle of the force vs the contact area. 21:08:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like spikes 21:09:57 <andythenorth> you mean the grousers push? Seems you're right. http://www.heavyequipmentschool.com/?p=156 21:14:46 <andythenorth> petern: any sign of that rv acceleration code? ;) 21:15:06 <andythenorth> or is it lost in the depths of time? 21:16:50 <andythenorth> for the record, I would really ***not*** be in favour having to code the contact area or angle of force for RVs :D 21:18:26 <Rubidium> but without it it isn't "realistic" 21:19:17 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:11 <Rubidium> actually, the concept of slipstreaming should be introduced too 21:20:36 <Prof_Frink> :o Rubidium said the "R" word! 21:21:04 <Eddi|zuHause> but it was in quotes 21:21:22 <Prof_Frink> Not to be confused with the portland "R" word. 21:21:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the same as with the only-english-rule... 21:22:29 <andythenorth> Rubidium: how about head wind (slows your trucks down)? Or side wind (knocks all your trucks off bridges)? 21:22:54 <andythenorth> sheep in the road? 21:23:30 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: there's a discussion about weather in the german forum, you wanna join? :p 21:23:58 <andythenorth> nah really really no. thanks though ;) 21:24:21 <Prof_Frink> andythenorth: I'm thinking something similar, but for trains in autumn. 21:25:14 <andythenorth> Rubidium: ?? "andythenorth: it's all about gameplay. balls to the realism [21:52]" :O 21:25:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:25:48 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a198.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:25:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:27:02 *** lobstar is now known as lobster 21:31:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-18-1.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:32:01 <Rubidium> sheep on the road can only happens when you run through farm land and then the production of the farm is reduced 21:33:51 <andythenorth> I have to draw some sheep. And code a sheep farm. 21:33:52 <andythenorth> If anyone can provide me with a callback between an industry, disasters, road vehicles and road tile graphics, I'll be delighted to try and code sheep escaping in nfo. I may go insane trying though. 21:38:13 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46017.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:39:55 <Nite_Owl> would the escaping sheep be pixelated 21:40:41 <Eddi|zuHause> no, they could too easily be identified as being photoshopped 21:40:54 <Prof_Frink> photosheeped. 21:41:54 <Nite_Owl> baaaaaad puns 21:42:38 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:42:38 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1176 21:42:38 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 21:43:07 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:24 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bitches.] 21:45:37 *** Guest1176 [~Dale@c-98-223-48-35.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:45:42 <andythenorth> the escaping sheep would probably occupy approx 1 pixel at TTD scale. 21:46:02 <andythenorth> they might look a bit like snow. Maybe tell the weather people, perhaps we could collaborate after all. 21:46:51 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5ED0816A.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 21:47:56 <Yexo> "Why is there snow on that road tiles?" "The sheep from next door escaped" 21:48:40 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-113-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 21:49:10 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone remembers the cute little pigs in Siedler? 21:49:32 <Prof_Frink> No. Noone does. 21:49:58 <Nite_Owl> ISR has cows and pigs 21:50:10 <Bjarni> <Rubidium> sheep on the road can only happens when you run through farm land and then the production of the farm is reduced <-- either that or you happen to be travelling in other countries like Iceland or New Zealand 21:50:36 <Rubidium> Bjarni: s/countries/farms/ 21:50:37 <andythenorth> or Wales. Where I went today. 21:51:15 <Bjarni> I was once forced to stop in Iceland. I was travelling on main road #1 and it was completely blocked by sheep 21:51:33 <Prof_Frink> I've had to stop for sheep in the Lakes. 21:52:47 <Bjarni> the Lakes? 21:52:50 <Eddi|zuHause> we didn't have sheep in eastern germany 21:52:58 <Eddi|zuHause> we had nothing :( 21:52:59 <Prof_Frink> the Lakes. 21:53:29 <Bjarni> if you didn't have sheep, did you end up being naked due to lack of wool? 21:53:31 <Prof_Frink> The national park in Cumbria with one lake in it. 21:53:43 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: ahh 21:53:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, lots of people were naked 21:54:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and each year they seemed to gather at the beach 21:54:15 <Prof_Frink> And quite a few meres, waters and tarns. 21:55:19 <andythenorth> going back to the sheep thing, it might depend on this :D http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=42440 21:55:34 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: FYI nudism was invented in Berlin. A doctor recommended it against certain illnesses 21:55:55 <Bjarni> (maybe getting rid of a corset and the smoke did the trick though) 21:56:16 <Bjarni> so I wouldn't be surprised if people in DDR did nudism for health reasons 21:56:44 <Eddi|zuHause> it originally was forbidden, but it grew more and more popular 21:57:06 <Eddi|zuHause> somehow, that suddenly ended after The Change 21:57:11 <DaleStan> planetmaker: ping. If you're still around, I have another diff I'd like Rubidium to compile for you and for you to test: http://users.tt-forums.net/dalestan/nforenum/renum.r2120.diff 21:57:25 <andythenorth> DaleStan: he went to bed. 21:57:32 <andythenorth> he had a hard day. helping me ;) 21:57:33 <Bjarni> call him :P 21:57:49 <Bjarni> I had a hard day too and I'm still here 21:57:50 <DaleStan> Bother. Well, I still have a diff. 21:58:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i fell down the stairs, beat that... 21:58:45 <andythenorth> Bjarni: you weren't helping me understand hg and make. Try it some time, it's probably very frustrating :P 21:58:58 <andythenorth> I fell up the stairs? 21:59:03 <andythenorth> (I really did) 21:59:15 <Bjarni> I did too o_O 21:59:30 <Bjarni> well I tripped while going upstairs 21:59:31 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but that usually does not hurt as much 21:59:38 <DaleStan> planetmaker: Also, can any programs other than NFORenum open sprites/firs.nfo.new for writing? Strictly, touch just writes to the directory, and doesn't even have to read the file. 22:00:00 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: I nearly fell off a cliff? 22:00:19 <andythenorth> DaleStan: let me see if I can check 22:00:42 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> i fell down the stairs, beat that... <-- so did my cousin. It took him more than an hour before he woke up >_< 22:02:14 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i managed to fall on my ass... 22:02:32 <Prof_Frink> What a conveniently-placed donkey. 22:02:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and interestingly, i managed to stop before hitting the end of the stairs 22:04:13 <Bjarni> <andythenorth> Bjarni: you weren't helping me understand hg and make. <--- I was driving all day... so much traffic and so many people disobeying traffic laws D: 22:04:26 <Bjarni> beats explaining stuff to people on IRC 22:04:52 <Bjarni> I can't get physically hurt on IRC if I or somebody else makes a mistake 22:06:16 <andythenorth> DaleStan: sorry no dice helping. I don't have pm's firs.nfo.new file, and crossover (mac wine) isn't working for reasons that are probably science, but look like magic 22:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause> the difference between science and magic is the educational level of the observer 22:07:37 <Prof_Frink> andythenorth: Shout at orudge if wine doesn't work. 22:08:08 <andythenorth> nah not fair to make it his problem. I'll sort it out, but not before tomorrow. 22:08:10 <glx> <Eddi|zuHause> i fell down the stairs, beat that... <-- I did that 4 times (4 different stairs) 22:08:44 <Eddi|zuHause> what is a few simple instructions in an SPS IDE for me, translates to magical switching of valves for the factory worker 22:08:53 <andythenorth> bed time for me 22:09:30 <Prof_Frink> andythenorth: He's got a job with CodeWeavers. 22:09:55 <Prof_Frink> glx: You really should've taken the lift. 22:10:10 <glx> no lift in the house 22:10:40 <glx> one of them is only 3 steps (but I was young) 22:12:04 <Bjarni> a single step is more dangerous than 30 steps 22:12:08 <andythenorth> Prof_Frink: I imagine his job doesn't extend to removing incorrect \ characters from my paths in crossover commands? 22:12:10 <Bjarni> you overlook the small stairs 22:12:37 <Bjarni> so I will make a staircase with 3000 steps and nobody will overlook it and it will be really safe :p 22:13:09 <glx> call it a ramp :) 22:13:33 <Bjarni> I was considering that 22:13:46 <andythenorth> bye 22:13:47 <Bjarni> but I was also considering a rack track 22:14:17 <Bjarni> it looks like it's rails, but it got something uneven that gears can attach to 22:14:35 <Bjarni> hmm 22:14:41 <Bjarni> new idea 22:14:59 <Bjarni> if a woman talks about her stairs, ask her "are you happy with your rack?" :P 22:15:14 * Prof_Frink is unhappy with his rack 22:15:28 <Prof_Frink> I lost my rock 10 on Saturday. 22:15:32 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.30.188.plusnet.pte-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:15:46 <Bjarni> ? 22:16:03 <Bjarni> sometimes Welsh people say ununderstandable stuff :/ 22:16:17 <Bjarni> I have no idea what the last line is supposed to mean 22:19:01 <Prof_Frink> Welsh? 22:19:25 <Bjarni> aren't you Welsh? 22:19:37 <Prof_Frink> No. 22:19:46 <Bjarni> oops 22:19:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E139.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:52 <Nite_Owl> He is rock climber 22:20:20 <Bjarni> I thought you lived in Wales 22:20:38 <Prof_Frink> Nope, Dorset. 22:20:56 <Bjarni> why do you live there??? 22:20:56 <Nite_Owl> on the rocks 22:21:20 <Prof_Frink> Because I have a job here, and there's cliffs. 22:21:29 <Bjarni> fair enough 22:22:17 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:23 <Nite_Owl> shaken not stirred 22:24:01 <Nite_Owl> need to feed - later all 22:24:04 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:24:25 * Bjarni wonders if Dorset is in Cornwall 22:25:22 <Bjarni> nope 22:25:43 <Bjarni> maybe I should have looked it up before writing anything 22:25:57 <Bjarni> writing something and then looking it up looks silly :p 22:26:05 <Sacro> Dorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrset? 22:26:19 <Bjarni> Doorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrstep? 22:31:12 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226138145.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 22:33:30 <petern> zummerzet 22:35:06 <Sacro> zomg a BJARNI :D 22:39:04 <Bjarni> A Bjarni? 22:39:08 <Bjarni> there can be only one 22:39:18 <Sacro> thank god :D 22:39:23 * orudge shouts at Prof_Frink 22:39:27 *** orudge is now known as Bjarni2 22:39:30 <Bjarni2> la la la 22:39:34 *** Sacro is now known as Bjarni3 22:39:37 <Bjarni2> :o 22:39:38 *** Bjarni2 is now known as orudge 22:39:43 *** Bjarni3 is now known as Sacro 22:39:50 <Bjarni> ... 22:40:17 <Bjarni> that wasn't very nice 22:40:29 <Bjarni> I was about to behead you guys 22:40:41 <orudge> that wouldn't be fun 22:41:03 <Bjarni> speak for yourself 22:42:12 <Bjarni> orudge: you work for CodeWeaver now? 22:42:20 <orudge> well 22:42:21 <orudge> not yet 22:42:34 <orudge> but I should be soon, yes 22:42:37 <orudge> after graduation and suchlike 22:42:55 <Bjarni> and CodeWeaver agrees on this? 22:43:09 <orudge> they offered me the job :p 22:43:37 <Xaroth> isn't CodeWeaver something like wine? 22:43:55 <orudge> yes 22:43:58 <orudge> well 22:43:59 <orudge> they work on Wine 22:44:01 <Xaroth> ah, nice 22:44:03 <orudge> and CodeWeavers 22:44:04 <orudge> er 22:44:05 <orudge> CrossOver 22:44:58 <Bjarni> I like the concept of CrossOver 22:45:20 <Bjarni> but right now I have little use for it 22:46:03 <Bjarni> I mean if I need windows then I most likely need 3D graphics or something and that takes priority from multitasking so I just dualboot 22:46:30 <Xaroth> my boss uses vmWare Fusion for running windows stuff on his mac 22:46:47 <Xaroth> then again he has a beast of a mac and can run two os' at once like that 22:46:57 <Xaroth> .. and he doesn't even game on it :/ 22:47:01 <Bjarni> that's also an ok solution 22:47:29 <Bjarni> I think Parallels are better at gaming, but I'm not sure 22:47:55 * Xaroth shrugs 22:47:57 <Bjarni> <Xaroth> .. and he doesn't even game on it :/ <--- freak 22:48:09 <Xaroth> he's just nutters.. 20g ram, 2 cpus, 2 gfx cards, 2 32" screens 22:48:12 <Xaroth> and NO GAMES 22:48:37 <Bjarni> what does he use it for? 22:48:40 <Bjarni> mail? 22:48:47 <Xaroth> mostly, yes 22:49:06 <Bjarni> err... I was just joking o_O 22:49:12 <Xaroth> well one boss uses his beast for mail and office stuff 22:49:17 <Xaroth> other one actually likes to photoshop a bit 22:49:21 <Xaroth> he does photography as a hobby 22:49:38 <Xaroth> i think it started out more as a epeen contest 22:49:41 <Bjarni> do any of them use it for work related tasks? 22:49:50 <Xaroth> they both use it for work related tasks 22:49:57 <Xaroth> and that's about it 22:50:13 <Xaroth> watching the servers, mailing customers, browsing a bit 22:50:17 <Bjarni> I meant work related tasks, which wouldn't work well on my mac 22:50:22 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Restarting] 22:51:00 * Xaroth shrugs 22:51:06 <Xaroth> I'm stuck to windoze .. vmware infrastructure client doesn't like to run well on unix 22:51:51 <Xaroth> though my work machine has vmware workstation on it with an ubuntu installl running on that for when i do lots of stuff on linux machines 22:51:59 <Xaroth> just works better than running 50000000 putty screens 22:52:46 <Bjarni> install ubuntu as main OS instead :p 22:53:52 <Xaroth> nah, i have to do too much windows related crap 22:54:03 <Xaroth> i would if it was feasable 22:55:02 <Bjarni> I recently switched to open office. Turns out that it appears to be better than MS office 22:55:13 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:16 <Xaroth> ugh, i finally got used to the crappy ribbon bar 22:55:23 <Bjarni> first of all MS didn't bother to translate their package 22:55:26 <PeterT> sup 22:55:39 <PeterT> anyone care to join my server? 22:55:45 <Bjarni> no 22:55:46 <Xaroth> I think they just wanted to piss everybody off by hiding ALL the buttons and call it 'efficient' . 22:56:21 <kennobaka> I just hide it and type, since that's what I really want out of a word processor 22:56:34 <Bjarni> hiding buttons to make efficient.... 22:56:44 <Bjarni> my next app will not have any buttons at all 23:02:16 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 23:07:43 <theholyduck> i wish closed source developement would be more open source like in terms of quality 23:08:08 <theholyduck> i'm betatesting this mmo. and it consitently crashes in some areas 23:08:22 <theholyduck> and laaaagg ;( 23:08:44 <PeterT> hey duck 23:08:48 <PeterT> join my server 23:08:54 <PeterT> ! SimulationNation 23:08:57 <PeterT> USA Map 23:08:59 <theholyduck> PeterT, been running long? 23:09:04 <PeterT> no 23:09:06 <PeterT> just started 23:09:11 <PeterT> no one is on 23:09:15 <PeterT> check it out 23:09:26 <theholyduck> lawl. i cant find my 0.7.0 23:09:28 <Eddi|zuHause> no closed source development company would survive long enough to get this level of quality control from a handful of developers 23:09:46 <theholyduck> Eddi|zuHause, well i gave them the hint to maybe atleast use a bug-tracker 23:09:50 <Eddi|zuHause> four eyes see more than two, they say 23:09:51 <theholyduck> so users could elaborate on eachothers 23:10:33 <theholyduck> but i mean, if any open source project besides ubuntu called this beta 23:10:35 <theholyduck> they would be shot 23:11:49 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a huge number of buggy open source projects 23:12:03 <Eddi|zuHause> there is also a huge number of unsuccessful open source projects 23:12:03 <theholyduck> Eddi|zuHause, well yeah but they call themself alpha or pre-alpha 23:12:16 <theholyduck> beta in my book denotes some quality 23:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause> quality is subjective 23:13:04 <Eddi|zuHause> besides, what was considered beta quality 20 years ago is now shipped as final 23:13:19 <Eddi|zuHause> with a patch on release day 23:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause> simply because patches can be more easily distributed 23:13:46 <Eddi|zuHause> so beta quality lowers accordingly 23:15:24 <Bjarni> goodnight 23:15:25 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x3ef3a198.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:18:00 *** elmz [~elmz@ti0207a340-dhcp0258.bb.online.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:06 <PeterT> `night 23:21:15 *** phidah [~phidah@1305ds3-oebr.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: phidah] 23:25:20 *** SineDeviance [~jman@cpe-075-176-106-090.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:33:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B769E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:42:01 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.12.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.183.234] has joined #openttd 23:42:59 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:48:58 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-166-26-17.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:49:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.170.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]