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00:02:37 <Eddi|zuHause> ohhh... alain has a new project 00:04:24 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-514ffcbe.l4.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:06:53 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@c-68-82-181-52.hsd1.de.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:12:18 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 00:12:24 <Yexo> I'm wondering how much time it'll cost for him to give up :p 00:28:12 <z-MaTRiX> :) 00:34:26 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:35:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.1.159.97] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 00:40:14 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226192071.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 00:42:24 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 00:44:00 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 01:09:46 <Belugas> ho... so much fun fun fun @ work work work 01:12:32 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:25:36 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:41:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you should work less, i presume 01:49:21 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:50 <Belugas> tell that to my boss :( 01:52:58 <Belugas> and i'm not speaking of my wife here :P 02:08:09 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has quit [] 02:09:13 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 02:14:22 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:9483:403b:26b5:17fe] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:24:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C94.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:25:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7785A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:40 <Belugas> damned... HOW does he get THAT sound??? 02:32:17 <Belugas> If ever anyone knows personnaly Jeph Jacques, ask him about Conniptions 02:32:22 <Belugas> pleeeeeeeaaaaaasee!!!!!! 02:32:38 <Belugas> 100100 02:32:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think so... 02:33:45 <Belugas> that's VERY unfortunate 02:34:05 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/] 02:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and is "Conniption" a pun lost in translation? 02:39:55 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:45:07 <Belugas> i dunno what it means 02:45:10 <Belugas> it's a song 02:45:15 <Belugas> and it's amazing 02:45:25 <Belugas> search for DeathMole 02:45:45 <Belugas> www.questionnablecontent.net/mp3 or something like that 03:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i go with "or something" 03:02:00 <Eddi|zuHause> it's an "n" too much 03:03:20 <Eddi|zuHause> nonlatin characters in filenames... not the brightest idea... 03:03:56 <Belugas> :) 03:04:54 <Eddi|zuHause> ok... step 3 complete... signing up at the drive manufacturer's website for a warranty replacement... 03:05:05 <Eddi|zuHause> now for step 4: shipping... 03:05:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a fear that this requires me leaving the house... 03:07:24 <Belugas> leaving... 03:07:26 <Belugas> house... 03:07:30 <Belugas> reminds me of 03:07:32 <Belugas> sleep... 03:07:38 <Belugas> which i'll go right now 03:07:45 <Belugas> good luck, Eddi|zuHause 03:07:55 <Belugas> whatever you;re doing :) 03:08:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm replacing a hard drive 03:08:24 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:14 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:09:58 <Eddi|zuHause> step 1 was finding enough space to copy the data, step 2 was removing the drive from the case 03:12:47 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:25:28 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76D4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:27:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7785A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:39:05 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:43:03 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:50:08 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B764FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:50:58 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.197.30] has joined #openttd 03:54:22 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76D4C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:29:46 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EC512.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:50:32 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 05:27:36 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 05:31:53 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:35:40 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:43:34 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:44:37 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EC512.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 06:05:43 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:09:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B764FA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:16:47 *** Progman [~progman@ds47.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has joined #openttd 06:17:44 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:19:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 06:22:11 *** Chicago_Rail_Authority [user@c-76-100-52-121.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:25:27 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Is there a max # of sprite layouts that you can have per station id? 06:27:19 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:27:20 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:27:22 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 06:38:20 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:39:10 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:40:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 06:43:07 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 06:51:11 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:57:19 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:02:41 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:11:52 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:20:37 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.197.30] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:20:46 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:41:13 <dihedral> morning 08:04:07 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.202.148] has joined #openttd 08:07:18 <petern> dihedral! Community Integrated Version! 08:07:26 <petern> lol! 08:08:24 <dihedral> hehe 08:09:01 <dihedral> that would make some people happy, and cause headache to the maintainers :-P 08:09:07 <dihedral> and only last 2 weeks :-D 08:09:36 <dihedral> and then create bug reports: but copy and paste WAS in OpenTTD once, why is it not anymore? 08:10:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9cb4.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:12:18 *** WildFlame [danger@host-62-141-209-13.swidnica.mm.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:12:31 *** WildFlame [danger@host-62-141-209-13.swidnica.mm.pl] has joined #openttd 08:19:54 *** [1]Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:19:57 *** Mark is now known as Guest652 08:19:57 *** [1]Mark is now known as Mark 08:20:20 *** Guest652 [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:24:43 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-166-55.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:07:56 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 09:08:19 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:13:47 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:26:09 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 09:33:27 *** Progman [~progman@ds47.E-Technik.Uni-Dortmund.DE] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:18 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051180203.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:51:00 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:53:10 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9cb4.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:09 <petern> hmm 10:00:38 * petern is surprised to discover his computers have separate mid driver and tweeters 10:04:59 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@167.80-202-138.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 10:06:45 <petern> doesn't have a crossover though, heh 10:17:40 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:19:21 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 10:28:34 *** Progman [~progman@ds47.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #openttd 10:51:49 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:56:11 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has joined #openttd 11:01:38 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.18.11] has joined #openttd 11:04:42 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 11:38:50 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B81255.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:08 <Belugas> rrrrrrr zzzzzzzz 11:41:10 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B80E6D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:41:22 <Belugas> hu....? i've got to work? ho... shit..... 11:41:41 <Belugas> let's go bak to bed, shall we? 11:41:47 <Belugas> rrrrrrr zzzzzzz 11:41:49 <SmatZ> :-P 11:47:17 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:47:19 <Belugas> ho... right dear... i can indeed sleep a while... 11:47:40 <Belugas> it's the national holiday, the St-Jean-Baptiste day! 11:47:55 <Belugas> Bonne St-Jean les Quebecois!! 11:47:59 <Belugas> let's PARTY!!!!! 11:48:03 <Belugas> rrrrrr zzzzzzzz 11:48:36 <Noldo> so he is the Kemal Atatürk of Quebec? 11:48:44 <Rubidium> why haven't you declared all non-holiday work days are St. JFC day? 11:49:20 <petern> Belugas, :D :D :D 11:49:31 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:51:21 <Belugas> Rubidium, my boss would disagree 11:51:26 <Belugas> and so would my wife 11:51:48 <Belugas> petern, i THINK something MIGHT happen tonigh (yours, of course) 11:51:57 <Belugas> now, time to hit the shower 11:51:59 <Belugas> bye by 11:52:02 <petern> in about 5 hours... 11:52:14 <petern> unless i... skive off 11:52:16 <petern> hmm 11:52:21 <Belugas> non o.. shower right now, not in 5 hours :S 11:52:56 <petern> heh 11:52:58 <petern> 5 hour showe! 11:53:02 <petern> +r 11:53:08 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c110:c08e:4b19:d63f] has joined #openttd 11:53:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:54:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:55:58 *** oskari89 [oskari89@88.193.124.243] has quit [] 11:59:38 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:00:51 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:51 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 12:07:11 *** Xyzzy [c40fc9c9@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:11:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.213.225] has joined #openttd 12:11:51 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B80E6D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:35 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B80C45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:28:56 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5442080b.l5.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:31:26 <Yexo> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=798314#p798314 Leanden has something useful to say :0 12:33:28 <Ammler> hehe, alain could use the wiki about last "failed" CIV ;-) 12:39:36 <planetmaker> har har. The last thing in that direction was IMO the nomic-IN. But it failed also... 12:39:53 <planetmaker> Though the concept wasn't entirely bad. 12:41:11 <Yexo> was the the auto-integrated thing? 12:50:35 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-148-150.watf.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 12:52:08 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has joined #openttd 12:52:33 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 12:52:44 <planetmaker> Yexo, yes, that was the auto-integrated thing 12:52:55 <Yexo> ah, that was a nice idea indeed 12:52:59 <Yexo> too bad it died 12:55:11 <Rubidium> for any patch pack/IN you need at least two or three people who understand the base code and want the patch pack to happen 12:56:15 <Yexo> I think one person can do it, but the key factor here is "people who understand the base code" 12:56:54 <Rubidium> Yexo: name me a patch pack/IN that survived longer than a few months that was maintained by one person 12:57:28 <Yexo> I wondered whether I should have added "(at least one version of a pp)", clearly yes :) 12:57:37 <Ammler> pms patchpack ;-) 12:57:44 <Yexo> what about mini-in? 12:57:57 <Rubidium> Yexo: and that was one person in what sense? 12:58:21 <Yexo> I had that idea, dunno wh 12:58:39 <Yexo> but that was before my openttd time 12:58:41 <Rubidium> MiniIN was 3 persons and once 1 of them stopped it died 12:59:10 <Ammler> wasn't that stopped of request from you? 13:00:41 <Ammler> request might be wrong word... 13:01:04 <Rubidium> Ammler: no, RichK67 just didn't want to go through all the hassle with the C++ stuff 13:01:27 <Rubidium> well, and the MiniIN was lagging behind a quite bit 13:02:18 <Rubidium> basically it ended because RichK67 didn't want to spend time in it anymore 13:02:23 <Noldo> Rubidium: is there reason why you would want INs and patchpacks to fly? 13:03:14 <Rubidium> Noldo: in what sense? Fly as in become succesful or fly as in: fly away and be never seen again? 13:04:50 <Ammler> were the MiniINs build save compatible with trunk save bumps? 13:05:18 <Rubidium> Ammler: yes and relatively save compatible with older MiniINs 13:05:33 <Ammler> wow 13:05:46 <Ammler> something, no pack reached again... 13:06:09 <Rubidium> Ammler: yes, and it isn't that hard to do either 13:07:21 <Rubidium> MiniIN just had a savegame version 5 or so higher than trunk, which means the last 4 MiniIN savegame versions would be loadable assuming you added the right saveload 'code' 13:07:38 <planetmaker> Ammler, you cannot really call it patchpack... well... 13:07:41 <Ammler> oh, btw. the russian thing seems to be a long live thing. 13:07:43 <planetmaker> (mine) 13:07:59 <Rubidium> Ammler: I hear very little from it 13:08:06 <Yexo> Ammler: "russion commnunity" <_ not one person either 13:10:45 <Noldo> Rubidium: be succesful 13:11:46 <Rubidium> "succesful" patch packs/INs show quite well how well tested the patches are that people think are ready 13:11:53 <glx> Yexo: about miniin, all major trunk changes were not synced by richk67 13:12:45 <Rubidium> e.g. the 'realistic acceleration' patch in MiniIN did easily desync, yet NO ONE had reported it while allegedly many people played with it 13:12:54 <Ammler> that is why I thought, the "quit" came from you... 13:13:10 <glx> subsidiary was a hell regarding sync with trunk 13:13:38 <Ammler> miniin was never really playable on MP 13:13:44 <Rubidium> the desync was actually found when I skimmed the saveload code of said patch and found out that variables were missing 13:13:56 <Rubidium> Ammler: yet no one reported it 13:14:07 <Ammler> I can rember one game wich worked around an hour 13:14:12 <glx> but it was well tested and stable ;) 13:14:12 <Rubidium> which shows that for non-official stuff people generally do not complain 13:14:34 <glx> and ready for trunk :) 13:14:37 <Rubidium> and proclaim that stuff is well-tested and stable because of said lack of complaints 13:15:48 <Ammler> but I still know people, playing MiniIN ;-) 13:15:55 <Rubidium> Ammler: take a look at the revision log of MiniIN, especially near the end 13:16:14 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9cb4.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 13:16:29 <Yexo> glx: ah, I didn't know that 13:20:51 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B80C45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:56 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B809E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:28:30 <dihedral> tada :-) 13:32:39 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:33:22 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 13:37:30 <dihedral> hehe - community patch pack will drive the community round the bend :-D 13:37:41 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:41 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 13:42:53 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:53 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:58:53 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-148-150.watf.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:59 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 14:03:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:35 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 14:06:36 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:47 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:13:47 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:50 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 14:14:38 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5442080b.l5.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:43 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:43 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 14:34:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:09 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> Is there an upper limit on the number of sprite layouts that you can have for a single station id? 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15:38:53 <petern> if so, there is, but it's high; 65535 15:40:10 <petern> you need to use the sprite layout callback of course, to get past 8 layouts 15:46:06 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:47:23 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EC512.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:53:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:55:08 *** [brraaainz]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:34 *** [brraaainz]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:55:43 *** [brraaainz]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:56:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc9a6.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:58:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:12 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> thanks, peter 16:03:36 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EC512.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:05:23 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EC512.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:07 <frosch123> Chicago_Rail_Authority: is your question still up to date? 16:06:29 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> From what I PM'd you? Yea 16:06:39 <Chicago_Rail_Authority> I think my #s are off somewhere... 16:08:45 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9cb4.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:45 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm253.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 16:15:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 16:16:03 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:18:10 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:25:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:27:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:29:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 16:31:49 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:32:41 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:45:19 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FF42.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:46:44 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FF42.versanet.de] has quit [] 16:58:34 *** ctibor_ [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:54 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 17:01:20 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:02:47 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 17:05:28 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 17:05:44 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:28 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:14:35 *** rortom [~rortom@p508EC512.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:15:30 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:17:30 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 17:29:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16643 /trunk/src/ (38 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: replace GetStationByTile() by Station::GetByTile() 17:40:47 <dihedral> someone could 'pin' the community patch pack thread :-D 17:43:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r16644 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt hungarian.txt indonesian.txt): 17:43:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-06-24 17:43:08 17:43:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 1 fixed by Hadez (1) 17:43:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 fixed by IPG (1) 17:43:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: indonesian - 1 fixed by adjayanto (1) 17:45:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r16645 /trunk/src/lang/russian.txt: 17:45:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: russian - 6 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:50:38 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 17:55:27 *** thingwath [~thingwath@morana.sks2.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 18:11:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:17:36 <petern> Belugas 18:20:01 <dihedral> petern 18:24:47 <petern> you are not Belugas 18:25:26 <welshdragon> petern: 18:27:44 <dihedral> you are not .... petern? 18:29:37 *** Muxy [~benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:03 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 18:32:15 <petern> you are not Belugas either 18:33:13 *** Skiddles [~notme@cm253.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 18:33:18 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm253.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:01 <welshdragon> dihedral: i am Sacro 18:40:50 <petern> /kick welshdragon ban evasion 18:41:04 *** Skiddles is now known as orduge 18:41:25 *** orduge is now known as Scuddles^ 18:47:51 <Prof_Frink> welshdragon: I'm spartacus! 18:48:10 <dihedral> i'm special :-D 18:48:38 <petern> no shit 18:50:53 *** Scuddles^ [~notme@cm253.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:17 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 18:57:12 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-148-150.watf.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:02:41 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:06:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 19:08:16 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:13:05 *** mzz [~mzz@ip-85-198-227-40.broker.com.pl] has joined #openttd 19:13:10 <mzz> hi 19:13:23 <Yexo> hello mzz 19:13:47 <mzz> im trying to run open ttd on htc hermes 19:13:56 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 19:14:19 <mzz> and it says that i didnt copy the needed files, but i did 19:14:32 <mzz> do you know what could be wrong? 19:14:42 <Yexo> are the files in the data directory? 19:14:59 <mzz> yes, and these are the ones i was talking about 19:15:57 <mzz> i mean, i am talking about 19:16:00 <mzz> ;p 19:16:19 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:57 <mzz> any ideas? 19:17:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:17:50 <Yexo> no idea what's wrong 19:17:53 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:18:26 <mzz> well 19:18:34 <Yexo> but maybe someone else has an idea 19:18:35 <mzz> thanks anyway 19:19:19 <mzz> maybe its just not supposed to run on htc hermes 19:20:10 <Yexo> I haven't heard before that anyone tested it, but it should run 19:22:07 <mzz> do you know any place on the net where i could look for help? 19:22:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:23:07 <Yexo> here :) 19:23:30 <mzz> what about other places? :) 19:23:36 <Yexo> did you also copy the obg file? 19:23:47 <mzz> no, i didnt 19:23:51 <mzz> what is it? 19:23:53 <Yexo> you should 19:24:06 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:06 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 19:24:10 <mzz> and whats the full name? 19:24:17 <Yexo> the obg file is a file that contains the md5 sums of all base graphics files 19:24:26 <mzz> oh 19:24:28 <mzz> ok 19:24:38 <mzz> how can i get it? 19:24:48 <Yexo> orig_dos.obg / orig_dos_de.obg / orig_win.obg 19:24:57 <Yexo> it's in any binary / source package of openttd 19:27:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16646 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: rename GetDepotByTile() to Depot::GetByTile() 19:27:54 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@client-82-12-254-117.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:27 <Rubidium> mzz: what exact version of OpenTTD are you running? 19:29:11 <mzz> PPCTTD v0.6.0 by Spookysoft and eSoft Interactive. 19:29:44 <Rubidium> that's an ancient version; the obg file is not needed 19:30:33 *** Svish [~torleif85@84.20.108.17] has left #openttd [] 19:30:39 <Rubidium> that version is also not supported by us; you need to ask the people at esoft 19:31:36 <Prof_Frink> mmmm beer. 19:31:38 <mzz> well 19:31:57 <mzz> is the a ppcttd version supported by you? 19:32:35 <Rubidium> if ppc == pocket pc then no 19:33:08 <mzz> indeed 19:33:48 * Yexo remembers not to assume to much about versions 19:33:56 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-148-150.watf.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:58 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 19:34:09 <mzz> thank you 19:34:11 <mzz> take care 19:46:40 <Belugas> petern, I am THE Belugas, and i'll summon you to the Organ!! 19:47:12 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@p54B80362.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Icebears are cute. Please, take care of them!] 19:47:29 <Belugas> by the way, who, apart petern and i are using ninjam? 19:47:36 <Belugas> don't be shy... 19:51:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-214-172.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:57:56 <petern> hurrr hurrr hurrr 19:58:01 * petern plays with his organ 19:59:21 *** mzz [~mzz@ip-85-198-227-40.broker.com.pl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.11/2009060215]] 20:02:24 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 20:05:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75F40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:35 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has joined #openttd 20:16:29 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.161.138] has quit [] 20:21:29 <Yexo> there are some global varaction 2 variables in openttd that are not listed here: ttp://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VariationalAction2 20:21:34 <Yexo> is there some other documentation? 20:21:50 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5442080b.l5.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:22:45 <SmatZ> http://marcin.ttdpatch.net/sv1codec/TTD-locations.html I am not sure if that's what you are asking for 20:23:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80362.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:23:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:23:38 <Yexo> there are several global variables for variational action 2's, starting with "00 W current date (counted as days from 1920) " 20:23:54 <Yexo> they are listed on the page I gave, but in the openttd code there are several more that are not listed there 20:24:25 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad76678.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 20:24:38 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad76678.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:26:14 *** Muxy [~benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:06 <petern> yes 20:40:54 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9cb4.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 20:41:24 <Yexo> petern: would ou be so kind to tell me where I can find that documentation? 20:43:38 <petern> oh, global 80s? 20:43:55 <petern> there are no global 80s 20:44:07 <petern> hmm 20:44:11 <petern> where did i get 80 from? 20:44:14 <Yexo> no, the vars 00, 01, 02, 03, 09, 0A are listed 20:44:27 <Yexo> but openttd also supports 06 (for example) 20:46:53 <Rubidium> Yexo: probably because the variables are the same as the ones used in Action 7/9 20:47:02 <Rubidium> so they got 'merged' 20:48:33 <Yexo> aha, thanks 20:48:46 <glx> yes looks like 80+x action 7/9 20:48:48 <Rubidium> what a tiny bit of svn praising can do 20:49:27 <Yexo> actually the docs just above GetGlobalVariable tell it too 20:49:31 * Yexo should have read that 20:50:19 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Der Worte sind genug gewechselt, lasst mich auch endlich Taten sehn!] 20:51:58 <Yexo> looks like some of these variables can easily cause desyncs, but then that's probably known 20:52:12 <Rubidium> Yexo: which ones? 20:52:27 <Rubidium> when? 20:52:28 <Yexo> 0x1B: *value = GB(_display_opt, 0, 6);' 20:53:12 <Yexo> 0x0D: *value = _cur_grfconfig->windows_paletted; <- not sure about that one 20:53:15 <Rubidium> in networking those are set to specific values on loading 20:53:27 <Rubidium> the grfconfig can't be changed in network games 20:53:47 <Yexo> Rubidium: these vars can be accessed in var action 2 chains, not only during loading 20:54:04 <Rubidium> although, the display opt might need forcing in MP action 2 chains 20:54:10 <Yexo> every single callback could access the display opt 20:54:29 <petern> callbacks shouldn't 20:54:39 <petern> or at least, non-visual ones shouldn't 20:54:44 <petern> awkward to enforce 21:01:09 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~chatzilla@ip55-7-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 21:01:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> heya all 21:01:32 <ZxBiohazardZx> anyone know if the "drive through depot" patch works with latest revision? 21:01:52 <Yexo> why not test it? 21:01:59 <ZxBiohazardZx> drive-through-depots.r15905 21:02:03 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe ill test it 21:02:10 <Rubidium> likely the answer will be no 21:02:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> lemmy find the mingw commands and compile XD 21:02:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> dunno im still compiling, but it looked usefull for my savegame where im trying to do some nice eye-candy stuff in my new networks:) 21:02:42 <Yexo> the latest - 1 revision has a slightly higher chance of working 21:02:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> awww 21:03:01 <ZxBiohazardZx> lastest revision is unstable or what? 21:03:10 <ZxBiohazardZx> or is -1 always better XD 21:03:11 <Yexo> no, but there was a codechange related to depots 21:03:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe 21:03:23 <ZxBiohazardZx> ill see;) 21:03:26 <Yexo> it's not like it matters for playing anyway 21:04:38 <ZxBiohazardZx> lame it wont even go to the tortoise merger 21:04:49 <ZxBiohazardZx> its a .diff rather then a .patch, does that matter? 21:04:58 <Yexo> no 21:05:20 <Yexo> the extension is just a random choice made by the patch author 21:05:30 <ZxBiohazardZx> then why doesnt tortoise merger not do anything with the darn patch 21:05:31 <Yexo> he could as well call it .change 21:05:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> i dont have to put it in a specific folder right?:P 21:05:44 <Rubidium> or .txt 21:05:44 <Yexo> no idea,maybe it's a mercurial or git patch 21:06:16 <Yexo> get a decent program to apply patches :p 21:07:21 <ZxBiohazardZx> can i apply patch with MINGW? 21:07:35 <Zammler> try patch 21:07:36 <Yexo> just install the program patch 21:07:51 <Yexo> see the sticky in the development section for a howto 21:08:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> 1 sec:P i see its patch related, cause it WILL open my chunnel, signals on tunnel and bridges and other patches 21:08:45 <ZxBiohazardZx> so only that one aint working:P 21:08:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD 21:08:57 <Rubidium> TortoiseMerge reminds me of http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/What-Could-Be-Easier-Than-XML.aspx 21:09:12 <ZxBiohazardZx> and when i updated the trunk, it returned with an "conflict" 21:09:30 <Yexo> either fix that conflict, or don't upgrade 21:09:33 <Rubidium> it's basically doing the same thing; support only a very specific version 21:09:45 <ZxBiohazardZx> i think i fixxed it, by repatching the chunnel but is that "normal" to get a conflict when you update with patched files? 21:10:11 <Rubidium> yes 21:11:10 <Yexo> ZxBiohazardZx: what is happening: You have version x of some file, then you make some changes (by applying a patch), the the offical file is updated, now those changes have to be merged to one file again 21:11:29 <Yexo> sometimes that succeeds, and when it can't be done automatically you get a conflict and have to solve it yourself 21:11:58 <ZxBiohazardZx> so my "fix" of doing the patch apply-ing was correct :) woot im starting to get this stuff:) 21:12:05 <ZxBiohazardZx> so any patches you recommand?:P 21:12:25 <Rubidium> imagine you get a text in Vulcan and a document that tells you replace these Vulcan sentences with these Vulcan sentences. Now the Vulcans release a new updated version of the text, you again try to apply the changes but one of the places where you need to make changes had changed. How would you solve that (assuming you don't understand Vulcan)? 21:12:49 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe 21:13:05 <ZxBiohazardZx> so my fix aint right? XD 21:13:26 <ZxBiohazardZx> cause i had this working revision, with 3 patches:) and now i hope they still work :) 21:13:29 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:13:41 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:43 <Yexo> just try to see whether it works 21:14:00 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:14:07 <Yexo> but 1. Don't report bugs for modified versions and 2. Most patch authors won't like bug reports from versions with more then 1 patch either 21:15:10 <Zammler> hehe, another PatchPack 21:15:42 <ZxBiohazardZx> im not reporting bugs, its just for my screenshot thread (tayvan transport) and personal interest:P 21:16:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> but i was wondering what you guys recommand besides latest revision and trying to get the patches i used working again:) 21:16:44 <Yexo> no pstches at all, that way you can keep playing your game with newer versions :) 21:17:17 <ZxBiohazardZx> lol 21:17:21 <Rubidium> spending a few (hundred) hours learning C, C++ and your way around OpenTTD's code 21:17:36 <ZxBiohazardZx> but in my mountainious area i need the lovely chunnel and signals on bridges&tunnels patches:P 21:17:43 <ZxBiohazardZx> and i think those 2 work 21:17:57 <ZxBiohazardZx> so i was trying to see if DriveThroughDepots could work 21:18:01 <ZxBiohazardZx> but i cant get it applied 21:18:24 <ZxBiohazardZx> http://cataclysm.cx/random/openttd/drive-through-depots.r15905.diff 21:18:50 <Yexo> it's a git patch, tortoisesvn doesn't accept those 21:19:00 <Yexo> as I said before, get a decent patch program 21:20:47 <ZxBiohazardZx> xd 21:20:47 <Rubidium> Tortoise's patch support is like MS Office's OpenDocument support; it only likes it's own stuff and not the stuff created by other tools 21:20:53 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe?P 21:20:57 <ZxBiohazardZx> alright 21:21:04 <ZxBiohazardZx> can i do the patching with MINGW as well? 21:21:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> or is that compiling only? 21:21:37 <Yexo> there is a patch.exe for mingw 21:21:41 <petern> Rubidium, and it's mainly the fault of the document specification? 21:22:39 <ZxBiohazardZx> its a .diff file, can i just open that in mingw or do i have to download something else first? 21:22:43 <Rubidium> petern: kinda 21:23:05 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD ill go and check the newbie guide on forums again:) i feel like a child in a maze:) knowing some bits, and the exit, but not the way to it anymore:) 21:23:11 <petern> at least when it comes to spread sheets 21:23:29 <ZxBiohazardZx> yeah wont compile, conflicts with bla bla bla 21:23:30 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD 21:23:40 <ZxBiohazardZx> i just ruined my stable working build XD 21:23:48 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d8727de.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 21:23:51 <ZxBiohazardZx> so now its revert to my old revision? 21:23:55 <Roujin> hey guys 21:23:58 <Rubidium> luckily you were so smart to make backups 21:24:28 <Roujin> is there an easy way to use int64 in a formatted string? 21:24:53 <Roujin> %il is only int32, isn't it? 21:25:09 <Roujin> or %dl 21:25:09 <Rubidium> Roujin: cross-platform? 21:25:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> i do have a backup rubidium:) 21:25:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> im not 100% idiot, only 50% 21:25:49 <Roujin> hm, preferably, but if it only worked on windows I could live with it 21:25:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc9a6.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Roujin: tried with %dll? 21:25:57 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:26:24 <Roujin> not yet Eddi, will try it.. 21:26:30 <ZxBiohazardZx> im just seeing how far i can update XD till it confilicts with the signals on bridge&tunnels again:P 21:26:38 <Rubidium> "%I64d" or "%lld" 21:27:04 <Rubidium> former is for Windows/MINGW, latter is for all the rest 21:28:24 <Roujin> hmm, does there exist some override for that in openttd to make it universal? 21:28:43 <Rubidium> ofcourse: OTTD_PRINTF64 21:29:13 <Roujin> ah yes 21:29:23 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:48 <Roujin> defines just what you just said, %I64d for win, %lld for the rest.. thanks for the help :) 21:32:50 <ZxBiohazardZx> building a clean trunk again:) 21:33:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r16647 /trunk/src/ (9 files): -Codechange: remove newgrf.h include from newgrf_engine.h to prevent unnecessary inclusion newgrf.h anyway 21:33:55 <ZxBiohazardZx> Rubidium/yexo what makes the trunk different from stable releases (aka what do you guys usually add/change?) 21:34:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> is it just random patches that are usefull get integrated in trunk or? 21:34:08 <Yexo> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/ <- see log 21:34:09 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:38 <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: how do you think we get from major release to the next major release? With one magic bang and everything is there? 21:34:46 <Yexo> all new features you'll see in the next stable are in trunk first 21:35:08 <Yexo> then at some point we say, we stop development and fix all remaining bugs, then that's called a 'stable' 21:35:12 <ZxBiohazardZx> @ rubidium no i dont:) 21:35:30 <ZxBiohazardZx> i do see you need the gradual changes, and im happy i can see some now 21:35:41 <Yexo> http://rbijker.net/openttd/misc/how-stuff-goes.png <- a graphical overview 21:36:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> but even with stable releases i hardly see the big steps you guys are making:) all i see is patches that are integrated, but is ther emore? 21:36:24 <Yexo> should there be more? 21:36:35 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 21:36:53 <ZxBiohazardZx> thx for the graphical explain yexo 21:37:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> does that mean that usefull patches like chunnel and signals on bridge/tunnel COULD have been integrated in trunk already (no need to apply-patch those features ) 21:37:56 <Roujin> ahaha ^^ 21:38:01 <Yexo> all patches could have been integrated 21:38:10 <Yexo> but usually there are ver good reasons for not doing so 21:38:20 <Roujin> according to the pic bugs are backported to the 0.x branches :) 21:38:32 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:38:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> so specificly the signals on bridges&tunnels did NOT get integrated (yet)? 21:38:52 <Roujin> "oh, we introduced a new bug in trunk, let's backport it to the stable branch ^_^" 21:39:04 <Yexo> ZxBiohazardZx: that's right 21:39:07 <Rubidium> Roujin: yes that actually (occasionally) happens 21:39:20 <Yexo> in general, all patches you see in the forum are not yet integrated 21:39:22 <ZxBiohazardZx> @yexo how you do those fat-sound-thingys:P 21:39:38 <Roujin> I think it should have been "backport bugfixes" though :) 21:39:46 <Yexo> highlighting you?, just by using your name 21:39:51 <Yexo> like this: ZxBiohazardZx 21:39:51 <Roujin> or was that an intentional easteregg? 21:39:58 <SmatZ> haha @ backport of bugs :) 21:40:10 <ZxBiohazardZx> yexo aha 21:40:14 <ZxBiohazardZx> doesnt work:P 21:40:17 <ZxBiohazardZx> Yexo 21:40:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> arrrg 21:40:21 <Yexo> it does work 21:40:29 <Yexo> my windows lights up when you do that 21:40:31 <ZxBiohazardZx> like this: ZxBiohazardZx 21:40:35 <ZxBiohazardZx> random:) 21:41:07 <ZxBiohazardZx> anyway i got my stable build up and running again, now try apply the patch and watch for any errors i assume? 21:42:52 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-82-12-254-117.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:41 <Rubidium> Roujin: that image was more for quickly showing someone what branches, tags and trunk mean. It's not meant to be fully correct etc. 21:44:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> @rubidium, if you want to explain for someone then you better do it right;) 21:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i should stop watching the news... 21:44:31 <Roujin> no offense meant Rubidium :) just found it funny ^^ 21:44:38 <Eddi|zuHause> it's getting closer and closer to "the world is going to end" 21:45:07 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: the "every hour new fictional reports" kind of news? 21:45:19 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:42 <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx/Roujin: it actually ended up (vastly reworked) in http://wiki.openttd.org/FAQ_OpenTTD_versions 21:45:55 *** Lachie [~whitey@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 21:46:28 <ZxBiohazardZx> claiming the stables are just a branch 21:46:48 <petern> ... 21:47:06 <Roujin> the stables are a branch, biohazard 21:47:06 <ZxBiohazardZx> seems alright though i guess stables are more like end-product then a branch imo 21:47:17 <Rubidium> ZxBiohazardZx: you're interpreting it incorrectly 21:47:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> hehe but yeah makes sense:) 21:47:33 <Rubidium> nightlies aren't trunk either; nightlies are snapshots of trunk 21:47:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the kind that says "peace in israel not going to happen", "protests in iran trown down with blood", "european countries introduce chinese internet", ... 21:47:56 <Rubidium> same as stable/RC releases are snapshots of the 'stable' branch 21:48:00 <ZxBiohazardZx> aha 21:48:50 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: nothing new thus, although... eventually there won't be a figth in Israel 21:51:11 <ZxBiohazardZx> woot the signal in tunnel works (V25) 21:51:36 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:37 <dihedral> no way - really? wow - it should go into trunk!!11!oneeleven 21:51:37 <Eddi|zuHause> ZxBiohazardZx: imho, the supposed "signals in tunnel" are the wrong approach... 21:51:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> now for the depot thingy, what patch-program do you suggest yexo 21:51:57 <Yexo> the program patch 21:51:58 <ZxBiohazardZx> Eddi|zuHause what you mean? 21:52:09 <Yexo> or gnu patch, whatever you want to call it 21:52:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean it's doing the wrong thing to achieve its supposed goal 21:52:36 <gleeb> I don't see 'signals in tunnels' as a good thing. I don't see many tunnels IRL with them. 21:52:38 <ZxBiohazardZx> it worked fine for me, simulating the signals helped me out alot 21:52:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> gleeb IRL signalling is more advanced anyway 21:52:57 <Eddi|zuHause> gleeb: how do you think subway systems work? 21:53:04 <dihedral> gleeb: what a good reason - NOT 21:53:07 <gleeb> Eddi|zuHause: Very careful timing. 21:53:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. certainly.... 21:53:26 * Rubidium knows a tunnel with signals 21:53:34 <Rubidium> though the tunnel isn't used enough 21:53:37 <gleeb> dihedral: I didn't cite it as a reason, more an observation. You're still mean. 21:53:44 <Rubidium> so dust settles and the signalling system goes haywire 21:53:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> but Eddi|zuHause what you mean by doing wrong thing... and how would you adress it then? 21:53:44 <Zammler> so tunnels shouldn't have signals, they should just ignore them :-) 21:53:55 <ZxBiohazardZx> cause i like tunnels with signals, whatever you guys say:) 21:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause> ZxBiohazardZx: i did not question the goal 21:54:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> i know you questionned the method 21:54:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i questioned the path it goes to achieve that goal 21:54:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> and i wonder what method you preferred taking rather then this one 21:56:09 <Rubidium> the method that gives you changing direction/heightlevel under ground and also allows you to build junctions, station and depots underground 21:56:19 <Rubidium> and the same for tunnels 21:56:33 <Rubidium> s/tunnels/bridges/ 21:56:35 <dihedral> hehe 21:57:16 <Rubidium> and 'your' patch is heavily incompatible with that 21:57:17 * Prof_Frink wants to build bridges underground 21:57:27 <ZxBiohazardZx> rubidium why are all stables still 0.7.something and not 1.0.something, the stables work and are fully functional compared to original TTD 21:57:46 <Rubidium> read the goals on the wiki 21:57:54 <ZxBiohazardZx> rubidium, yeah i know, but till you build me a better patch, i like the one i have:) 21:58:20 <ZxBiohazardZx> im reading the roadmap that what you mean? 21:58:26 <dihedral> ZxBiohazardZx: you can like it all you want 21:58:32 <ZxBiohazardZx> :) 21:58:36 <Roujin> no, he meant another wiki page 21:58:40 <dihedral> does not mean people here like it, esp. those who develop openttd 21:58:51 <Roujin> http://wiki.openttd.org/Objectives 21:59:34 <Roujin> as long as the objectives are not done, why should it be called "finished" (1.0)? 21:59:49 <dihedral> and how they version their game is totally their choice - it makes no difference if it is labeled 0.7 or 1.0 22:00:52 <ZxBiohazardZx> objective 1: Provide a free, open source, transport game CHECK (DONE) 22:01:09 <ZxBiohazardZx> objective 2: Support all 'major' platforms, preferably supporting minor platforms too (DONE??? if not name a platform) 22:01:29 <ZxBiohazardZx> Provide a game that is free from war themes and conflict; hence suitable for all age groups CHECK (DONE) (name a wartheme/confilict) 22:01:30 <dihedral> for goodness sake - you dont have to copy paste all those lines here 22:01:45 <dihedral> i am sure they fully well know what it says 22:01:55 <Yexo> ZxBiohazardZx: please read the complete page, also the info under "Long term goals" 22:02:02 <ZxBiohazardZx> 3/3 objectives have been done 22:02:11 <ZxBiohazardZx> the long term goals could be for 2.0.0 etc 22:02:17 <Roujin> ........ 22:02:19 <Korenn> Stub 22:02:19 <Korenn> This article is a stub. Please, if you can, expand it. 22:02:26 <Korenn> sounds like an objective to me :P 22:02:29 <ZxBiohazardZx> xd 22:03:01 <ZxBiohazardZx> imho 1.0.0 could be released, pushing the long term goals as new objectives for 2.0.0 22:03:03 * Eddi|zuHause ponders an /ignore 22:03:03 <Yexo> if you take that approach, OpenTTD 0.1 could have been called 1.0, since it was open source, it was a transport game, it was free from war thems, it was supporting all major platforms 22:03:17 <ZxBiohazardZx> XD 22:03:30 <Roujin> alright, if you're unhappy with the version numbering scheme, please go ahead and fork it and call it MyGreatGame 1.0 22:03:35 <ZxBiohazardZx> i actually helped replacing GFX for 32bp 22:03:53 <Yexo> read better, the 32bpp graphics project is not in the long term goals 22:04:06 <Eddi|zuHause> ZxBiohazardZx: it was decided very long ago that it can't be called 1.0 before a complete free graphics replacement set is finished 22:04:12 <ZxBiohazardZx> ok 22:04:20 <Eddi|zuHause> that, btw., is part of objective 1 22:04:26 <ZxBiohazardZx> eeehm the patch program, where is it:P 22:04:41 <ZxBiohazardZx> i searched for patch on forums but i got flooded with board-messages:P 22:04:55 <dihedral> oh my word 22:05:01 <Yexo> google.com 22:05:03 <Eddi|zuHause> in /usr/bin/patch 22:05:05 <dihedral> i think i am going to extend my ignore list a bit more 22:05:39 <Yexo> after cleaning it you're trying to fill it again? 22:06:06 <ZxBiohazardZx> i already applied patch #1 (the hated signals:) ) 22:06:25 <ZxBiohazardZx> but now its time for number 2:) the drive through depots that tortoise wouldnt take:P 22:06:47 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: put all people on it who have an identical prefix and postfix of more than 1 letter 22:08:38 *** orava [~rain@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:08:40 <Yexo> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=798497#p798497 What is the best strategy now, flooding Alain with some big (incompatible) patches, or ignoring him 22:08:50 *** orava [~rain@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd [] 22:09:39 <Korenn> obviously just ignore it. it's not as if developers will actually contribute anything with his attitude ;) 22:09:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80362.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:10 <Yexo> I wasn't talking about helping him, just submitting some big patches to give him some work 22:10:12 <dihedral> Yexo: after cleaning it you're trying to fill it again? <- clearing the list was not on purpose 22:10:23 <dihedral> + i always try to fill the list with annoying nicks 22:11:00 <dihedral> and i vote for flaming alain till he leaves :-P 22:11:21 <dihedral> if you feed him with stuff he cannot handle he will flood the forums anyway - causing even more work 22:11:26 <dihedral> 'how do i ....' 22:11:37 <Korenn> Yexo: but there will always be more people like him. Feeding him work is still feeding him, even if it doesn't get him anywhere ;) 22:11:51 <Yexo> hmm, true 22:11:57 <dihedral> or 'can you please up date your patch to work with this oh so community driven community patch pack though i am the only person managing it' 22:12:02 <Yexo> dihedral: Alain is very capable of flooding the forums without getting any reply 22:12:06 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B831AE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:12:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:12:18 <dihedral> hehe :-D 22:12:31 <dihedral> Korenn: actually, alain is the worst of them all 22:12:41 <Yexo> most other people give up 22:12:49 <dihedral> in the last 3 years i have not seen anything like that kid 22:13:34 <Yexo> nekomaster comes close sometimes 22:13:48 <Yexo> but I just noticed he is banned here :) 22:13:51 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 22:15:33 <Roujin> hmm.. I want to get the name of an engine to output it, (e is instance of Engine) GetString(buf, e->info.string_id, lastof(buf)); <-- this works fine for most cases, but for some newgrf defined engines it contains some garbage 22:15:52 <Roujin> e.g. ?EUREURAirship 22:16:23 <Roujin> I think this is some manual x- positioning done by the author of the newgrf 22:16:36 <Yexo> blame the newgrf author 22:16:58 <Eddi|zuHause> Roujin: wrong handling of UTF8-strings? 22:18:21 <ZxBiohazardZx> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=42312&p=798503#p798503 22:18:35 <ZxBiohazardZx> ill just leave now:) 22:18:56 <ZxBiohazardZx> have a nice talking and ill try to keep the head revision more often, and maybe talk to you all later:) 22:18:58 <Roujin> are they supposed to be UTF8? oO 22:19:17 <ZxBiohazardZx> UTF-8 please 22:19:23 <ZxBiohazardZx> even in the topic of the IRC;) 22:19:26 <Zammler> ZxBiohazardZx: nothing to do with svn, tortoise is the matter... 22:19:29 <Yexo> ZxBiohazardZx: is searching that hard? http://www.google.nl/search?q=patch.exe (second hit) 22:19:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Roujin: openttd uses UTF8 internally 22:19:44 <ZxBiohazardZx> yexo see that post, patch.exe returns with black empty screen 22:19:53 <ZxBiohazardZx> its the patch i guess 22:19:56 <Yexo> patch.exe is a console program 22:20:10 <Yexo> so you have to start it from a console, not by double-clicking it 22:20:22 <Yexo> mingw = a console 22:20:27 <ZxBiohazardZx> If a process named patch.exe is running on your computer, you may have been infected with a strain of the Netbus worm. 22:20:30 <ZxBiohazardZx> i LOVE it:) 22:20:53 <ZxBiohazardZx> second hit from the google you send:P 22:21:01 <ZxBiohazardZx> you wanted first hit:P 22:21:08 <Roujin> hmm.. yes then I certainly handled it wrong 22:21:16 <Yexo> hits are personalised, so for me it was the second hit 22:22:08 <ZxBiohazardZx> anyway im off, ttyl and again yexo/rubidium thnx for helping me out, you guys always seem to be hre:) 22:22:20 <dihedral> hehe - Yexo, i felt like replying :-P 22:22:41 <Yexo> yeah, nice reply :) 22:22:50 <Yexo> let's hope he gets the hint 22:23:11 <dihedral> he does not 22:23:12 <dihedral> :-D 22:23:27 <dihedral> he did not even got the hint in T<something's> patch pack thread 22:23:50 *** orava [~rain@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:23:57 *** orava [~rain@a88-114-52-67.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd [] 22:24:23 <petern> dihedral, i think you're mean 22:24:29 <petern> (carry on) 22:24:36 <Yexo> lol, I'm just reading back the logs from 17/6, when nekomaster was banned here, nice conversation :) 22:25:15 <petern> YOU'RE MAKING ME ANGRY 22:25:37 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~chatzilla@ip55-7-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:25:38 <Korenn> ullo petern. do you have me on ignore or something? 22:25:44 <dihedral> petern: hehe 22:25:48 <petern> wut? 22:25:54 <dihedral> YOU MAKE ME ANGRY 22:26:07 <petern> Korenn, not afaik 22:26:11 <Korenn> I get a total zero reply on any PM's I send you :P 22:26:17 <dihedral> Korenn: and if you were on ignore, why differnece would that make to you? 22:26:27 <dihedral> you'd probably be there for a pretty good reason :-P 22:26:30 <petern> :s 22:26:34 <Korenn> dihedral: because I value his advice on a project 22:26:41 <petern> i have way too many windows open in irssi 22:26:48 <dihedral> lol 22:26:57 <Korenn> ok, so next time, don't try to PM. gotcha :P 22:27:12 <dihedral> PM's really can annoy people 22:28:18 <dihedral> time to hit the sack 22:28:24 <petern> [23:28] [@petern [Act: 4,5,6,8,9,10,11,13,14,15,16,17,18,21,22,23,24,25,26,28 22:28:26 <petern> pom te pom 22:28:33 <petern> tend not to see stuff :p 22:28:37 <SpComb> how open-ended 22:28:48 <dihedral> LOL 22:29:08 <dihedral> who wants 28 windows open in irssi :P 22:29:28 <petern> that's only what shows up to 22:29:56 <Korenn> petern: so I coded the TC industries myself (and fixed the cargos). I next want to map out what exactly to code 22:30:04 <Korenn> do you think that's an advisable approach? 22:30:09 <petern> sure 22:30:15 <SpComb> http://irc-galleria.net/view.php?nick=usv&image_id=64110161 22:30:34 <petern> SpComb :D 22:31:14 <Korenn> I'd like to occasionally pick your brain if you don't mind, so that I don't work myself into code-invasive dead ends ;) 22:31:24 <dihedral> hehe - yuck 22:32:18 * dihedral pats petern on the back :-D 22:32:23 <dihedral> go go go 22:32:26 <dihedral> to bed! 22:32:28 <dihedral> night all 22:32:41 <dihedral> oh my - did i just say 'all'? pfft 22:32:45 <dihedral> forget it 22:32:58 <petern> yeah, piss off slag :D 22:33:03 <Korenn> SpComb: at that time, I think you're due a chat medium change :P 22:35:23 *** reldred [~reldred@115.131.202.148] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:38 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: the part on the left reads like a brainfuck program 22:37:52 <Roujin> Eddi|zuHause: lol, I thought the same 22:38:47 <SpComb> yeah, major nerd alert 22:38:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r16648 /trunk/src/ (4 files): -Codechange: move some more includes around 22:39:32 <Roujin> what is it, though? 22:40:10 <SpComb> run it and see 22:42:53 <Eddi|zuHause> right, i wanted to write a brainfuck interpreter 22:43:42 <Eddi|zuHause> parser shouldn't be too difficult, just mind the bracket structure 22:52:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-31-55-189.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 22:52:14 <petern> looks like some geek code to me 22:52:52 <petern> http://www.geekcode.com/geek.html 22:53:29 <petern> http://www.ebb.org/ungeek/ 22:55:29 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE9cb4.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:39 *** Lachie [~whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13:47 <Roujin> can anyone give me some pointers how to handle utf8 strings in openttd (I'd like to print them to a file)? This is what I currently have: http://paste.openttd.org/183509 Obviously it doesn't work with utf8 and writes some ascii garbage in the places where non-ascii chars are 23:15:17 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5442080b.l5.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:15:21 *** Markk [~markk@rikskriminalen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:38 <Zammler> good night #openttd 23:17:44 <SmatZ> bye Zammler 23:18:12 *** Zammler is now known as Ammler 23:18:42 <Belugas> hu? nekohamster was there? 23:19:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but you did not really miss anything :p 23:20:36 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5442080b.l5.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:22:00 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 23:23:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r16649 /trunk/src/ai/ai_scanner.cpp: 23:23:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix: When the exact AI version a game was saved with is no longer available and 23:23:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: the latest version of the AI can't load data from that AI version, use the 23:23:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: latest available version of the AI that can load the data instead of the first 23:23:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: found version that can load the data. 23:24:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r16650 /trunk/src/ai/ai_scanner.cpp: -Fix (r16649): missing () 23:24:20 *** Markk [~markk@rikskriminalen.com] has joined #openttd 23:27:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051180203.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:27:24 *** Lachie_ [whitey@creep.bur.st] has joined #openttd 23:27:51 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@77.163.150.18] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 23:28:28 *** Lachie [whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CCCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:18 <Belugas> ho... good then... i shall go back to sound editing 23:31:31 <petern> hmm? 23:31:40 <petern> oh 23:33:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75F40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77A08.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r16651 /trunk/src/saveload/ai_sl.cpp: -Fix: When there is no AI version that can load data from the savegame, load the latest version of the same AI instead of a random AI. 23:36:54 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@user-5442080b.l5.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:39:17 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d8727de.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: Quit messages are annoying and useless.] 23:41:30 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host81-156-5-103.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:42:00 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.18.11] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:43:14 *** Lachie_ [whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:44:23 *** Korenn [~kvirc@93-125-161-18.dsl.alice.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:57:40 *** J_Darnley [~jamesdarn@d54C280AB.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r16652 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: 23:59:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Codechange: use less strict, but faster check for quickly bailing out in FindTrainCollideEnum() (Bilbo) 23:59:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Codechange: shuffle the code a bit