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#openttd 06:09:57 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 06:23:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@189.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 06:23:52 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:23:59 <Terkhen> hello 06:42:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C705.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:45:47 *** ^spike^ [~spike@dhcp-077-251-090-192.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:47:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C705.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:49:52 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.11] has joined #openttd 06:52:49 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:01:56 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:08:34 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DD3F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:31:45 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DD3F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Raubgut ist vom Umtausch ausgeschlossen!] 07:33:54 <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: irssi does not approve your connection then :P 07:39:55 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:43:35 *** Bergee [~bergee@c-68-40-190-70.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:57:14 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb28b.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 08:26:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r17226 /trunk/media/openttd.desktop.in: 08:26:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: Remove the Encoding entry from the openttd.desktop file. 08:26:15 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - This entry has been deprecated since version 0.9.4 (2006) of the desktop entry specification. 08:58:30 <TrueBrain> gooooooood morning 08:58:38 <blathijs> hello TrueBrain 09:00:21 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-12-225-105.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 09:01:27 <TrueBrain> I hate it when there is no 720p release yet of a serie ... 09:01:30 <TrueBrain> I don't do 480 :( 09:03:11 <blathijs> TrueBrain: You're spoiled! ;-p 09:03:26 <blathijs> Perhaps there's an MPEG1 version somewhere? 09:03:48 <TrueBrain> hehe :) 09:03:51 <Xaroth> lol 09:05:18 <TrueBrain> oh well, guess have to wait :p 09:06:23 <Xaroth> more time you can spend on RE :) 09:06:37 <TrueBrain> that ... but I have to solve this stupid thing ther :p 09:06:41 <TrueBrain> or I roll out LDAP a bit more :p 09:07:15 <FauxFaux> Download it in .wav and .avi format for better quality. 09:07:33 <TrueBrain> .avi yes, I think that is so much better quality than MPEG1 .. 09:07:58 <Xaroth> TrueBrain: see of it as a challenge :) 09:08:22 * FauxFaux points out the mild satire in his statement. 09:11:30 *** tdev [~tdev@ip-62-182.emscb.ruhr-uni-bochum.de] has joined #openttd 09:26:03 *** ^spike^ is now known as ^Spike^ 09:37:26 *** tdev_ [~tdev@ip-62-182.emscb.ruhr-uni-bochum.de] has joined #openttd 09:37:53 *** tdev [~tdev@ip-62-182.emscb.ruhr-uni-bochum.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:05 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 09:53:15 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 09:55:43 <TrueBrain> NOTICE: bugs.openttd.org will be under heavy maintaince: expect errors 09:56:28 <petern> bugs.bugs.openttd.org 10:00:44 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9F9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:01:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r17227 /trunk/src/unix.cpp: -Feature [Unix]: Only use colorized error output on terminals. 10:02:42 <TrueBrain> 2 violations of coding style :o :p :p 10:02:44 <TrueBrain> hihi :) 10:03:33 *** Aali_ [~aali@84-217-31-83.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 10:04:21 <blathijs> Yeah, it's been a while since my last commit I guess ;-p, Rubidium also pointed that out 10:04:44 <blathijs> TrueBrain: What are the exact violations? {} is mandatory? 10:05:18 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-24-189.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:05:19 <blathijs> and comments should not appear after a statement? 10:05:35 <TrueBrain> 1) /* comments on a newline, or // at the end 10:05:49 <blathijs> Ah, right 10:05:51 <TrueBrain> 2) if () a;\nelse b; or if () {\na;\n} else {\nb;\n} 10:05:53 <TrueBrain> :p 10:05:53 <blathijs> bah, // is ugly :-p 10:05:59 <TrueBrain> both are ugly :) 10:06:12 <TrueBrain> that is what amuzed me :) Your style is beter in my opinion .. yet .. no OpenTTD coding style ;) 10:06:31 <blathijs> That style for if isn't documented on the wiki? 10:06:47 <blathijs> Or am I totally misreading thing? 10:06:48 <blathijs> s 10:06:57 <Yexo> blathijs: http://wiki.openttd.org/Coding_style#Control_flow 10:07:36 <TrueBrain> "In if without an else statements, a single statement may follow on the same line. " 10:07:44 <blathijs> I do have an else 10:07:56 <TrueBrain> haha, okay, it is poorly written :) 10:07:58 <blathijs> In if/else, switch, and loop statements, following statements should be inside brackets on a different line. <-- And I guess this says the brackets are mandatory? 10:08:12 <TrueBrain> guess so ;) 10:08:18 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:08:45 <TrueBrain> and the other: 10:08:47 <TrueBrain> # Use /* */ for single line comments. 10:08:48 <TrueBrain> # Use // at the end of a command line to indicate comments. 10:08:54 <blathijs> Yeah, I believe that one :-) 10:10:03 <blathijs> is while(foo)\nbar(); allowed, or does that require brackets as well? 10:10:24 <TrueBrain> or on a single line :) 10:10:36 <Yexo> either "while (foo) bar();" or "while (foo) {\nbar();\n}" 10:10:38 <petern> brackets or single line 10:10:51 <TrueBrain> dunno if that is written down, but in general the code follow this: use \n with {}, or no \n without {} 10:13:29 *** Aali_ is now known as Aali 10:13:35 <blathijs> Right, let me state that a bit more clearly on the wiki then :-)_ 10:13:59 <TrueBrain> enjoy :p 10:16:15 <blathijs> is if (foo) bar();\n else { \n baz(); \n } allowed? 10:16:23 <TrueBrain> it looks very ugly 10:16:27 <TrueBrain> but dunno 10:16:44 <TrueBrain> hmm .. BAZ is in 2 weekends :) 10:17:18 <blathijs> BAZ? 10:17:22 <TrueBrain> BAZ! 10:17:27 <TrueBrain> baz.climbing.nl I believe 10:18:13 <blathijs> What is "bouldering" ? 10:19:49 <TrueBrain> Boulderen? 10:20:04 <Yexo> blathijs: for if/else blocks brackets are required 10:20:11 <TrueBrain> "klimmen zonder gordel", I always say :) 10:20:18 <blathijs> hmkay 10:20:27 <blathijs> Yexo: So even when you have a single statement? 10:20:51 <Yexo> blathijs: leaving brackest out is only allowed for single if/while/etc. statements without else block 10:21:14 <Yexo> and only if the statement following it is on the same line 10:21:26 <blathijs> 12:05:51 < TrueBrain> 2) if () a;\nelse b; <-- So this is not allowed? 10:21:36 <Yexo> nope 10:21:48 <blathijs> good, since I think it's ugly :-p 10:23:15 <OwenS> blathijs: if(a)\n\tb();\nelse\n\tc(); doesn't though 10:23:40 <blathijs> OwenS: doesn't what? 10:23:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17228 /trunk/src/ (13 files in 7 dirs): -Codechange: some coding style fixes 10:23:59 <OwenS> blathijs: look ugly :p 10:24:24 <TrueBrain> "Rubidium voegt een woord bij een daad" 10:24:26 <blathijs> OwenS: Nope, but that's not allowed it seems 10:24:27 <TrueBrain> (sorry, I fail to translate) 10:24:43 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Shouldn't that be the other way around? 10:24:48 <TrueBrain> really? :p 10:24:58 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-31-83.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Quit: ragequit :@] 10:27:23 <blathijs> So, now the else b; syntax is really no longer allowed :-p 10:28:28 <blathijs> And the wiki is more clear now as well, I hope 10:29:24 <Yexo> it is, at least to me :) 10:29:27 <petern> hasn't been allowed for a long time 10:29:43 <petern> nor is 10:29:51 <petern> if (foo) { 10:29:53 <petern> bar(); 10:29:56 <petern> } else baz(); 10:30:22 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:30:23 <petern> we are strict, we impose RULES, JOIN US 10:30:53 <blathijs> And one more wiki edit (It should be } else, not } \n else) 10:31:07 <petern> openttd's source is some of the nicest i've ever read 10:31:52 <blathijs> That has been different :-p 10:34:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r17229 /trunk/src/unix.cpp: -Codechange: Coding style fixes. 10:39:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17230 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): -Fix (r15027): don't assert when an AI uses AI*Mode objects incorrectly but crash the AI instead 10:39:54 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:46:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17231 /trunk/src/ai/ai_instance.cpp: -Fix [FS#3134]: AIs that crashed during Save() weren't killed as they should 10:46:29 <TrueBrain> and the AIs get more and more isolated :) Good progress ;) 10:49:08 *** Biolunar [mahdi@77.177.184.64] has joined #openttd 10:58:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17232 /trunk/src/ai/ai_instance.cpp: -Fix (r17223): Kill an AI when it tries to Sleep / execute a DoCommand during Save() instead of failing to save 10:59:17 <petern> this is "don't be tolerant of AIs misbehaving" i guess 11:00:28 <Yexo> yes, the main problem was that a misbehaving AI could make OpenTTD crash/assert 11:02:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17233 /trunk/src/ai/ai_instance.cpp: -Fix (r17232): typo 11:05:23 <TrueBrain> I HATE FIREFOX!!! 11:05:29 <TrueBrain> it keeps changing the case of something I type 11:05:33 <TrueBrain> (a login field) 11:09:12 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.221.146] has joined #openttd 11:09:16 <petern> yeah 11:09:25 <petern> it likes to autocorrect unless you hit exactly the right place 11:12:47 <blathijs> TrueBrain: That also happens when you remove a part of a search query for example 11:13:05 <TrueBrain> but then you can abort that with hitting ESC 11:13:12 <TrueBrain> this you cannot 11:13:13 <blathijs> then you press enter to start the search, but instead FF takes the enter as "please complete my text for me!" 11:13:19 <blathijs> Ah, that is stupid 11:16:27 <TrueBrain> euhm ... I made a TINY mistake ... all emailaddresses and real names are gone from FlySpray :p 11:17:17 <blathijs> Good thing you have a backup database from yesterday, I'd say. Right? :-p 11:17:29 * TrueBrain looks the other way 11:17:39 <TrueBrain> but you make a very good point .. our backup policy does currently not include the database 11:21:21 <TrueBrain> might have to do that our DB is about 500 MiB in size .. 11:22:19 <TrueBrain> but okay, LDAP migration will happen soon anyway :) 11:23:41 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Were you planning to import accounts from the various databases we have already? Or should everybody just create a new account? 11:23:55 <TrueBrain> blathijs: I wanted to create a page where you can link existing accounts 11:26:15 <blathijs> Ah, that makes sense. Since most of those apps will still need a separate user db anyway I guess? 11:26:21 <TrueBrain> yup 11:26:27 <TrueBrain> at new login, the account is created immediatly 11:26:44 <TrueBrain> at existing login, the new data is retrieved from LDAP (and here I made the mistake by forgetting WHERE :p) 11:27:00 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.23.114.231] has joined #openttd 11:29:53 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:30:31 <TrueBrain> either way, bugs.openttd.org should be back operational now 11:31:42 <blathijs> :-) 11:32:00 <Yexo> TrueBrain: the "Date" column in the event log shows my username instead of a date 11:32:41 <TrueBrain> url? 11:32:47 <TrueBrain> (I always love vague reports :p) 11:32:58 <Yexo> https://secure.openttd.org/bugs/reports?project=1 11:33:03 <Yexo> then select some task and press Show 11:33:51 <TrueBrain> Show? 11:34:15 <Yexo> yes, the button with the text "Show" on it 11:34:17 <TrueBrain> oh wait, you need to be logged in to see that page :p 11:34:23 <Yexo> yes ;) 11:34:34 <TrueBrain> cool! Somehow .. I think .. that bug has to be ther efor a long long time :p 11:34:38 <TrueBrain> as I didn't even come near that code :) 11:34:56 <Yexo> not for "a long time", or I'd have spotted it earlier 11:35:03 <Yexo> I'm pretty sure it worked a few days ago 11:36:31 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 11:36:48 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 11:45:16 <TrueBrain> ["dateformat_extended"]=> 11:45:17 <TrueBrain> string(9) "TrueBrain" 11:45:19 <TrueBrain> cool :) 11:46:02 <TrueBrain> that happened for a handful of users Yexo 11:46:44 <Yexo> aha, thanks 11:46:51 <Yexo> clearing that field fixed it :) 11:46:57 <TrueBrain> it seems the DB crashed over it or something 11:47:01 <TrueBrain> as some fields are complete garbage 11:53:03 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:cc5b:8a45:a1a9:8941] has joined #openttd 11:53:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:58:21 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 12:02:25 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9F9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:18 <TrueBrain> I recovered a portion of the emails for FS (about 50%) 12:06:24 <TrueBrain> only newer accounts :p 12:18:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17234 /branches/0.7/ (7 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) 12:18:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 12:18:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Remove the (deprecated since 2006) Encoding entry from the openttd.desktop file (r17226) 12:18:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: With time tables vehicles would stay in the 'loading' state after they have finished loading [FS#3129, FS#3130] (r17222) 12:18:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not ignore white space changes (e.g. alignment fixes) in the exporter (r17220) 12:19:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Accept monthly production values in the scenario editor [FS#2406] (r17198) 12:19:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: [Unix] Only use colorized error output on interactive terminals (r17227) 12:21:41 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb28b.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:22:09 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb28b.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 12:22:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17235 /branches/0.7/src/ (12 files in 2 dirs): 12:22:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 12:22:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] IsRoadTypeAvailable(GetCurrentRoadType()) was not a precondition for several AIRoad::* functions (r17203) 12:22:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Do not say you are building a depot when you are actually building a station (API docs typo) (r17201) 12:22:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: [NoAI] When the API requests a string as parameter allow every squirrel type and convert to a string [FS#3101] (r17221) 12:34:49 *** tdev_ [~tdev@ip-62-182.emscb.ruhr-uni-bochum.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:50:47 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9F9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you know what? i love "Date Format" fields with no documentation about the syntax elements... 12:54:28 <TrueBrain> then again, you are not normal :p 12:54:33 <petern> "we assume you know php format dates" 12:54:45 <petern> "or microsoft.net" 12:56:13 *** Forconin [forconin@ttd.bitsex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, at least that would give something to google for... 13:05:40 *** reldred1 [~reldred@115.131.221.146] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C705.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:57 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has joined #openttd 13:25:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17236 /branches/0.7/src/ (13 files in 5 dirs): 13:25:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 13:25:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] AIs that crashed during Save() were not killed as they should [FS#3134] (r17231) 13:25:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Do not assert when an AI uses AI*Mode objects incorrectly but crash the AI instead (r17230) 13:25:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: [NoAI] Crash an AI when it uses a DoCommand / Sleep instead of just printing an error message in the AI Debug Window [FS#2980] (r17223) 13:37:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17237 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_changelog.hpp: -Update: AI changelog 13:43:45 *** pavel1269 [~quassel@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 13:43:57 <pavel1269> hello 13:45:17 <TrueBrain> howdie pavel1269 :) 13:45:31 <pavel1269> again on pool ... what a great weather :-) 13:45:39 <pavel1269> *was at 13:45:39 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45:48 <TrueBrain> today we wanted to go to the beach 13:46:02 <TrueBrain> then we notice our local weather institute issued a wind warning 13:46:05 <TrueBrain> we are glad we didn't go :p 13:49:23 *** Fuco [~a@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 13:55:31 <pavel1269> why so, big waves? :-) 14:07:34 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:13:06 *** Elton05605 [~Delphi@189.82.255.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:06 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.204.193] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:09 *** green-devil [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:17:40 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.204.193] has joined #openttd 14:18:31 <_ln> if we have a 4-digit code for opening a door, how many tries does it take to find the code by brute force? 14:20:20 <TrueBrain> O(N) 14:21:05 <TrueBrain> so assuming you do a lineair brute force, it would take the pincode amount of tries 14:21:10 <TrueBrain> I really hope it is 9999 14:21:42 <Yexo> why 9999? I'd expect 10000 14:21:47 <_ln> right, but usually the keypads look at the last four buttons you pressed, which reduces the number a lot. 14:22:12 <TrueBrain> Yexo: I said I hope the pin was 9999 14:22:19 <Yexo> aha :) 14:22:19 <TrueBrain> which means 10000 attempts are required 14:22:20 <_ln> if you press 12345, you already covered 1234 and 2345. 14:22:59 <TrueBrain> randomly insert any amount of number, if possible let a monkey do it 14:30:54 <Eddi|zuHause> _ln: some keypads i know require you to press a "start" and "accept" button 14:32:11 <_ln> i haven't seen such, but yeah why not. 14:32:37 <Eddi|zuHause> but seriously... why brute force it, when you can just watch someone type it in? 14:32:41 <TrueBrain> alarms mostly have that :) Or a 'A' or what ever 14:32:52 <TrueBrain> or browse the internet to find the mastercode? :p 14:35:28 <_ln> i was just pondering how many key presses long is the optimal sequence. 14:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause> have any special object in mind? :p 14:37:23 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:37:35 <_ln> negative 14:48:36 <_ln> fortunately someone has researched this already: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1520430 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_sequence#Uses 14:48:46 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 14:49:40 <_ln> so on average about 5000 key presses should be enough... 14:54:11 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:29 <petern> i think it might lock you out before that 14:54:29 *** Audigex [~audigex@92.24.158.228] has joined #openttd 14:54:37 <Audigex> hihi 14:54:49 <z-MaTRiX> hey 14:55:27 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:55:53 <_ln> if we are talking about a keypad at the main door of a building for example, i've never heard of those locking out anyone. might be different with something more sophisticated such as cars. 14:58:32 *** Guest291 is now known as SmatZ 15:03:47 *** Lawton27 [~Lawton27@88-110-93-58.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:07:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i've never seen a keypad on a car 15:09:00 <_ln> me neither but i haven't been to america 15:13:48 <Audigex> i have, although it was modified 15:20:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcd3b.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:26:24 *** oskari89 [oskari89@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff7cc100-243.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 15:28:14 <_ln> perhaps the most useful site of the internet: http://www.geocities.com/what_the_flux/ 15:28:51 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm13.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:37:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r17238 /trunk/src/gfxinit.cpp: 15:37:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Clean up CheckExternalFiles a bit and improve the error message it 15:37:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: outputs. This makes the function return faster in the common case when all 15:37:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: files are in order, by not doing another set of MD5 checks. 15:40:22 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:40:44 *** green-devil [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has quit [] 15:52:39 *** green-devil [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 15:59:02 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't they want to shut down geocities? 15:59:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i get a 503 15:59:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17239 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: 15:59:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Change [FS#2802]: allow overbuilding the front tile of a roadstation / roaddepot with road 15:59:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: to be consistent with overbuilding the front tile of tunnels/bridges and also to make it easier for AIs to 15:59:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: connect roadstations and roaddepots to the road in front of it 16:02:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r17240 /branches/0.7/src/ (gfxinit.cpp openttd.cpp): 16:02:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 16:02:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: Improve error output on missing or corrupt files (r17238). 16:04:05 <_ln> i don't get a 503 16:04:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i do. 16:04:43 <Eddi|zuHause> "Service Temporarily Unavailable" 16:05:03 <_ln> anyway, the topic is "Variations and Inconsistencies with the Temporal Display Unit in the Back to the Future Trilogy" 16:06:06 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a movie, damnit 16:07:39 <Eddi|zuHause> fun fact: with the hydro plant that blew up in russia, they could have powered five time machines :p 16:11:01 <_ln> "Commentary: Take a look at how the horizontal part of the "T" intersects the vertical part of the "T" in the two images. In Figure 3A, the vertical-"T" intersects the horizontal-"T" with a little arrowhead overlapping the horizontal-"T". In Figure 3B, there is no arrowhead overlap." 16:12:08 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Banking-Trojaner-mit-Delphi-Virus-infiziert--/meldung/143755 <- this is way cooler 16:12:14 *** FooBar_ is now known as FooBar 16:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause> "Banking Trojans are found infected with a virus" 16:13:06 <Eddi|zuHause> "the Delphi Virus infects the IDE, and automatically spreads into every compiled program" 16:13:24 <_ln> great 16:14:22 <Eddi|zuHause> "our prophecy from december announced this for the 30th of may, we apologize for the wrong date" 16:17:47 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-12-225-105.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:02 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn13-0-0-cust196.midd.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:40 *** Lawton27 [~Lawton27@88-110-93-58.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 16:26:21 <planetmaker> indeed a very good one. 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If (at least) one data file is missing do not consider the set to be useable. Do also no autodetect sets with missing files. 17:17:54 *** Wolle [DrJekyll@p57B0F3B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:43 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C705.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:13 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-87.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:39:17 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: try that geocities link again now 17:39:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, seems to work now 17:40:53 <_ln> makes me wonder how much time people have 17:44:19 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it didn't load all images... 17:45:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17242 /trunk/src/lang/ (czech.txt german.txt simplified_chinese.txt swedish.txt): 17:45:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 4 changes by Gavin 17:45:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 10 changes by joeprusa 17:45:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by Roujin 17:45:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: swedish - 7 changes by hgj 17:47:17 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:19 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 17:50:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.214.250] has joined #openttd 17:52:37 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-71-125.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:28 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-87.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! 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And 8 rotated is infinity! 20:28:19 <OwenS> OK so I need a math font :P 20:28:24 <_ln> valhallasw: right 20:29:38 <valhallasw> _ln: even arial unicode doesnt understand that 20:29:50 <valhallasw> :( 20:30:03 <Audigex> says "right" 20:30:26 *** Audigex [~audigex@92.24.158.228] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042316]] 20:33:00 <_ln> So... Is this a historically tainted font? 20:37:41 <glx> indeed arial unicode doesn't know what to show 20:39:04 <_ln> i have DejaVu Sans Mono, i suppose. 20:42:11 <_ln> Was mentioned #elsewhere that those mathematical things do not fit in UTF-16. 20:42:19 <TinoDidriksen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_typefaces - go find one with more glyphs defined then...Arial Unicode MS is not bad at all. 20:42:56 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@13.44-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 20:43:14 <TinoDidriksen> All the math symbols showed fine even in mIRC, but your last line did not. 20:47:59 <Nickman87> hi all 20:48:18 <Nickman87> I'm looking for some info about the current widget system? Could someone point me to a good place to look? :) 20:48:32 <Nickman87> trying to upgrade a patch for the sign list filter 20:51:30 <Nickman87> Tried looking at some example widgets, but can't distinguish the neccesairy parts to create/show/... a widget 20:58:42 <petern> _ln, they do 21:00:31 <_ln> petern: UCS-2 then? 21:00:50 <petern> quite 21:00:56 <petern> but UTF-16 is not UCS-2 21:02:15 <_ln> Nonetheless there's some problem with screen and those characters. 21:02:52 <petern> apparently so 21:02:54 <OwenS> I personaly prefer testing Unicode conformance with ???? :p 21:03:14 <petern> your test fails, because it works. 21:03:21 <petern> whereas what _ln and i wrote doesn't 21:03:41 <OwenS> I should probably find some unusual Kanji which are in an astral plane :p 21:04:01 <daChaac> if you want challenge try something arabic or hebrew that has weird writing style... Japanese is easy :) 21:04:36 <OwenS> Theres a cranefly thats been on my cieling all day 21:04:41 <OwenS> Notable because it hasn't moved. 21:04:44 <OwenS> I think it's dead O_o 21:05:31 <petern> ?????? 21:06:03 <petern> ? 21:07:21 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:29 <glx> ?????????????????????????????? 21:08:38 <glx> easy :) 21:08:50 <OwenS> Konversation adapted very well to that O_o 21:08:59 <OwenS> And no fair I don't have an Arabic IME installed! :P 21:09:08 <petern> now try something over U+FFFF 21:09:17 <petern> IME? 21:09:37 <OwenS> Input Method Editor 21:09:51 <OwenS> AKA How you type languages for which keyboards are infeasible 21:10:06 <OwenS> Then again does Arabic need one or a keyboard layout? :p 21:11:40 <petern> http://store.aramedia.com/shopimages/products/normal/kbarabicblackleft.jpg 21:12:07 <petern> for example 21:12:55 <petern> hmm, IME on kde? 21:13:00 <OwenS> SCIM 21:13:02 <OwenS> So keyboard layout. A Japanese keyboard is normal QWERTY [or DVORAK] with mode selector keys (To switch between Latin/Kanji Composition/Hiragana/Katakana) 21:13:05 <petern> IME is windows terminology 21:13:25 <petern> or maybe it's not these days 21:13:29 <OwenS> X11 calls it an "Input Method". IM however is ambiguous :p 21:14:15 <_ln> ? 21:14:46 <petern> ???? ? j??t ?t??? t? ?? ???????-???? ???? 21:15:05 <OwenS> lol 21:15:31 <_ln> ?, everyone's favourite ARABIC LIGATURE BISMILLAH AR-RAHMAN AR-RAHEEM 21:15:45 <OwenS> A box? :-P 21:16:22 <_ln> why would they call a box a BISMILLAH AR-RAHMAN AR-RAHEEM? 21:17:20 <OwenS> The :-P was the "i'm joking" part :p 21:20:44 *** Exl [~myself@cp1224652-a.roemd1.lb.home.nl] has quit [] 21:21:02 <_ln> '?' 21:23:12 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:31 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:23:42 <_ln> hello mr. owl 21:23:43 <Eddi|zuHause> <petern> but UTF-16 is not UCS-2 <- most programs i have seen treat them as equivalent 21:24:08 <Nite_Owl> Hello ln 21:24:14 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, they're wrong 21:24:37 *** green-devil [Lisby@d40a9d6d.rev.stofanet.dk] has left #openttd [] 21:26:44 <Nite_Owl> planetmaker: I posted an abbreviated (yet updated) NARS v2.0 read me on the forums 21:27:15 <Nite_Owl> if Pikkabird wants to use it is up to him 21:30:18 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: or they can't be arsed to implement the differences 21:31:02 <Eddi|zuHause> (as far as i understand, UTF-16 also has "multi-word" characters, but UCS-2 does not) 21:32:14 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@189.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:32:42 <Eddi|zuHause> <_ln> '?' <-- is it bad when i have to turn my head to read that as a smiley? :p 21:35:40 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e180226143.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 21:38:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83458.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:19 *** Splex_ [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 21:40:28 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81A18.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:40:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:40:52 <Eddi|zuHause> *mental note* "ibase=16;obase=10;..." does not do what you might want to do 21:43:46 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-209-23.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:45:49 <petern> :) 21:46:04 <petern> it's only doing what you tell it 21:47:52 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@13.44-245-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:21 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 21:53:50 *** Pygma [~quassel@88.151.27.234] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:19 <TinoDidriksen> UTF-16 has surrogate pairs, which leads to not every glyph being 2 byte, but it's so rare to hit one. But even in UTF-32 you have combining marks...so you can never say that a glyph is a single code point, in any Unicode format. 21:55:46 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.115.14.207.plusnet.pcl-ag01.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause> you are speaking in riddles 21:59:07 <petern> well i understood it 21:59:33 <petern> of course, openttd doesn't (or didn't, when i wrote the utf8 support) support combining marks 22:00:12 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that i did not mean... 22:00:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean that the unicode space does not fit into 16 bit 22:00:43 *** Audigex [~audigex@92.24.158.228] has joined #openttd 22:01:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but i only have the dangerous kind of half knowledge 22:04:21 <TrueBrain> *burp* 22:04:25 <TrueBrain> excuse me 22:05:53 <TrueBrain> I SEE MONKEYS! 22:06:08 <TinoDidriksen> That with UTF-16 you're mostly dealing in single elements, since so few characters are beyond that plane. The odds of needing surrogate pairs is low and thus easy to optimize around, but still something you have to prepare a worst case for...which you don't have to worry about in UTF-8 or UTF-32. 22:06:12 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:06:14 *** ^Spike^ is now known as ^spike^ 22:07:23 <TrueBrain> bah, I hate people who rename every time they come online/offline .. 22:07:48 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a solution for that. 22:07:54 <TinoDidriksen> They forget that IRC has /away 22:07:55 <Eddi|zuHause> do i have to spell it out for you? :p 22:08:10 <TrueBrain> ^spike^: I think that goes for you ... 22:08:16 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: yes please 22:08:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it starts with a b 22:08:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and ends with an 22:08:47 <TrueBrain> banana .. but that ends with na 22:08:59 <TrueBrain> being-on-the-van 22:09:02 <TrueBrain> but that is just silly 22:09:13 <Eddi|zuHause> depending on the ircd, there's also a chanmode "forbid people to change nicknames" 22:09:20 <TrueBrain> @mode +m 22:09:23 *** mode/#openttd [+m] by DorpsGek 22:09:30 *** mode/#openttd [-m] by DorpsGek 22:09:38 <TrueBrain> too powerful? :p 22:09:46 <Eddi|zuHause> slightly 22:09:47 <TrueBrain> +m and +v people who join :p 22:10:05 <Eddi|zuHause> TinoDidriksen: apparently, ^spike^ did set /away, too 22:10:30 <OwenS> Is everyone saying ^spike^ as often as possible to annoy him? :p 22:10:35 <TinoDidriksen> Yes 22:10:43 <TrueBrain> ^spike^: no, we are not 22:10:46 <TrueBrain> oh, sorry, that was for OwenS 22:10:55 <OwenS> Heh :p 22:11:04 <petern> why would we talk to ^spike^? 22:11:09 <petern> we have no idea who ^spike^ is 22:11:17 <TrueBrain> who can trace what happened to Leverage S02E06 in 720p? 22:11:25 <petern> ? 22:11:40 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:12:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-81-109-185-122.hers.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:12:37 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 22:12:39 <OwenS> Grr. I was looking for a PCM -> DSD conversion algorithm, not a bunch of audiophools discussing the pros and cons of the two formats 22:13:02 <petern> haha 22:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: the first place i'd go asking would be efnet ;) 22:13:56 <OwenS> Thinking though, it's easy... just emulate a PWM engine operating at 2Mhz 22:14:10 <petern> exactly 2? 22:14:23 *** Splex_ [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:14:28 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:33 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 22:14:35 <OwenS> No. 2.822Mhz, so 3 would have been better, meh 22:14:35 <TrueBrain> and it seems that tpb doesn't want to load :( 22:14:42 <OwenS> 44.1kHz * 64 22:14:44 <petern> 2.822 would be better ;) 22:14:52 <petern> *nod* 22:15:08 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: it's not in my RSSFeed, so apparently it didn't make it anywhere public 22:15:17 * OwenS shrugs as to why not 48*64... 22:15:27 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: well, all my sources turn up dry too .. I wonder what happened 22:15:27 <Eddi|zuHause> so TPB isn't a likely place to find it 22:15:28 <petern> because CD audio is 44.1... 22:15:54 <OwenS> And DVD audio (And digital audio tape for those interested...) is 48kHz 22:16:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the 44.1kHz value is way older than digital recording 22:17:00 <petern> is it? 22:17:01 <OwenS> (DAT at 48kHz is handy though because I have some DVDs which had their sound originally mastered on DAT...) 22:18:05 <Eddi|zuHause> well, probably not, as a sampling frequency doesn't make much sense with analogue recording ;) 22:18:23 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: it is just incredibly high :p 22:18:34 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Just read the synopsis of Leverage. You may be interested in the TV series Hustle, as it has a somewhat similar premise. 22:18:43 <TrueBrain> OwenS: seen it 22:18:47 <OwenS> Heh :p 22:18:56 <OwenS> All of it that exists I assume anyway 22:19:01 <petern> oh, it's a telly series 22:19:03 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, you find 44.100, 22.050 and 11.025 Hz values all over the place 22:19:04 <TrueBrain> it will be really hard to tell me about a new serie ;) Hehe :) I hav eno life :) Tnx anyway ;) 22:19:36 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, , not . 22:19:41 <OwenS> TrueBrain: As one who doesn't watch much TV... doubly difficult :p 22:19:46 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: Leverage is not rarely compared with the A-Team 22:20:00 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I don't watch TV :p 22:20:12 <TrueBrain> not rarely 22:20:13 <TrueBrain> lol 22:20:34 <petern> The 44.1 stuff came from multiplying the number of video scanlines with 22:20:34 <petern> any integer that meets a reasonable bandwidth/Nyquist above 20kHz. 22:20:34 <petern> Additionally, it had to fit both PAL and NTSC number of scanlines IIRC 22:20:34 <petern> (dunno how many they have). Another practical thing was that 44100 can 22:20:34 <petern> be divided by many numbers without fractional part. 22:20:52 <petern> i boggle, tbh 22:21:05 <TrueBrain> 'many numbers' .. 22:21:09 <OwenS> Without the overscan NTSC and PAL are 480 and 576 lines respectively 22:21:13 <TrueBrain> many being more than 2, than yes 22:21:16 <petern> such as "why did it have to fit both PAL and NTSC number of scanlines" ... 22:22:11 <OwenS> "This sample rate is adapted from that attained when recording digital audio on PAL videotape with a PCM adaptor, an earlier way of storing digital audio." 22:22:24 <petern> yikes 22:22:46 <OwenS> Thats cool in a crazy way... recording PCM audio in the video portion of a VHS tape 22:23:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think that was really inventive... how do you think they got sound on other films? 22:24:06 <petern> heh 2*2*3*3*5*5*7*7 = 44100 22:24:11 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: I have a thing for any magnetic medium. I still have an ATAPI Zip drive :p 22:24:13 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:35 <OwenS> petern: That sounds like the inverse of a valve frequency divider equation... 22:24:36 <TrueBrain> what was that company called who sold zip drives 22:24:47 <petern> iomega 22:24:55 <TrueBrain> I still have that in a box somewhere on my left :p 22:25:00 <petern> sad 22:25:03 <TrueBrain> WOW! YOU CAN STORE SO MUCH DATA! BACKUP BACKUP BACKUP! 22:25:07 <petern> i binned a load the other week 22:25:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i also have a 100MB zip drive 22:25:15 <TrueBrain> a few months later there was a cdburner for a price you could laugh at 22:25:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and i actually did something useful with it, once 22:25:56 <OwenS> Theres still something magic about magnetic media... 22:26:15 <Eddi|zuHause> what killed the zip drive was lack of compatibility with 1.44MB disks 22:26:26 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: That didn't save LS120 22:26:44 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: what killed it were the poor drivers 22:26:56 <TrueBrain> you could take it with you, but installing it was a bitch! 22:27:25 <OwenS> The ATAPI version trades the "can't take it with you" for "no drivers to install" :p 22:27:25 <Eddi|zuHause> mine is a USB device, so that never was a problem for me... 22:27:33 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: that was EXACTLY the problem for me :p 22:27:46 <TrueBrain> we had both versions, as we thought it would be useful ... 22:27:47 <petern> hmm, i've never actually seen a DAT 22:27:47 <OwenS> I'd have it plugged in if I had a spare ATA connector... 22:28:01 <petern> i suppose they're rare now too 22:28:15 <OwenS> petern: They were mostly used for audio recording for movie production - particularly animation 22:28:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i only know the term "DAT" from Zak McKracken 22:28:23 <OwenS> Today they're pretty much only in use as archives 22:28:40 <OwenS> (I.E. the devices are just arround for extracting the audio from old masters :P ) 22:29:07 <petern> well 22:29:08 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: maybe i bought mine when the drivers were already improved 22:29:18 <petern> i didn't know sony had a walkman dat machine, for example... 22:29:39 <OwenS> Sony were a heavy promotor 22:29:43 <OwenS> promoter** 22:30:06 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i guess on every successful format there's half a dozen failed ones 22:30:24 <TrueBrain> I have to say: I did expect back then zipdrives to become the next big thing 22:31:22 <Eddi|zuHause> well, they are kinda useless now that usb sticks are around... 22:31:26 <TrueBrain> yup 22:31:28 <TrueBrain> very much indeed 22:31:45 <Eddi|zuHause> only i don't have a USB stick 22:31:47 <TrueBrain> " 22:31:49 <TrueBrain> --is that Grouchy with his fresh troops is so late in arriving. Still, 22:31:50 <TrueBrain> the Prussians are late too, and the British cannot hold the place for 22:31:51 <OwenS> Me neither :P 22:31:52 <TrueBrain> ever. II At three o'clock the fog lifts--the veil that has wrapped so 22:31:53 <petern> they magically obsoleted everything ever 22:31:53 <TrueBrain> many sounds, such awful and wonderful visions, in a kind of mystery, is 22:31:55 <TrueBrain> lifted now, and it reveals . . . what? Hougoumont invested--Brave Baring 22:31:56 <TrueBrain> " 22:31:58 <TrueBrain> I love spam .... 22:31:59 <TrueBrain> (just received via @openttd.org) 22:32:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand a single word of that 22:32:40 <TrueBrain> glad I am not the only one 22:32:45 <TrueBrain> damn, 480p looks UGLY :( 22:32:51 <OwenS> TrueBrain: If you're not using any RBLs, use pbl.spamhaus.net; the IPs on that list are not supposed to be sending mail directly anyway 22:33:07 <petern> hmm, when was DAT invented? there's a sony model on ebay with wooden side panels... a sure sign of being old ;) 22:33:10 <TrueBrain> OwenS: this email passed all blacklists 22:33:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yes... leverage is one of the worst of them... 22:33:19 <OwenS> TrueBrain: O...k 22:33:27 <TrueBrain> OwenS: blacklists takes time 22:33:35 <Eddi|zuHause> worse are only "DSR" recordings 22:33:42 <TrueBrain> I wish everyone would install SPF :( 22:33:52 <OwenS> Hashcash would be better :p 22:34:04 <petern> oh, that is 1987 vintage 22:34:18 <TrueBrain> oeh, the new signup page is coming along just fine :) 22:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i (almost) never get spam 22:35:14 <TrueBrain> it is one of the few 22:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause> unfortunately, recently i also did not get some of the real mail 22:35:38 <TrueBrain> 99.78% we are currently at :p (spam that is removed) 22:35:55 <TrueBrain> 99.995% real mail let-throughs :) 22:36:03 <TrueBrain> I am so proud on my new filter :) 22:36:20 <petern> OwenS, so anyway, have you written your PCM -> DSD converter yet? 22:36:41 <petern> (or even DSD-wide) 22:37:07 <OwenS> petern: No; but the algorithm is just an accumulator where the PCM sample is added at the DSD rate and the carry is the DSD output 22:38:48 <OwenS> So one can do an add of the correct bit width then rotate the bit from the carry into a collection register 22:42:05 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 22:42:28 <OwenS> Really it's the kind of algorithm you would implement in assembler for the optimization bonus :p 22:43:46 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: i know of one person whose mail consistently does not get through 22:44:10 <TrueBrain> that was the old filter :p I switched openttd.org th eother day .. I believe they do come through now :p 22:45:04 <Audigex> anyone online who could run me up a "quick" newgrf? 22:45:13 <TrueBrain> some monkeys? 22:45:15 <Audigex> quick as in, very simple as GRFs go 22:45:21 <Audigex> no monkeys 22:46:10 <R0b0t1> I'd newgrf flying saucers if I had any skills. 22:46:43 <Audigex> i just need to get a single train made into a grf so i can see what it looks like in game 22:47:06 <Audigex> i'm sure there's something not right, but i can't mock it up accurately enough to compare it to other objects 22:47:24 <Audigex> pwetty please? 22:47:43 * TrueBrain is happy to tell you he knows NOTHING about grfs :p 22:48:07 <Audigex> bah 22:48:11 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Even from the C side of things? :p 22:48:20 <TrueBrain> never touched newgrf* files 22:48:32 <TrueBrain> there is a limit to what I want to know :) 22:49:18 <OwenS> And could the EMA (Education Maintaiannce Allowance) people have chosen a more dodgy postal provider? EVERY time they send me a letter it fails to arrive and I have to phone them up and ask for it to be resent! 22:49:18 <z-MaTRiX> ??y-?o :) 22:49:40 <Audigex> owens - are you starting college now? 22:49:54 <OwenS> Audigex: Second year 22:49:59 <Audigex> truebrain - coding i like, hex i consider sadistic 22:50:14 <Audigex> OwenS: and you haven't realised the full incompetence of the EMA organisation? 22:50:26 <Audigex> they're complete and utter dunces 22:50:29 <OwenS> Audigex: I'm fully aware of it. 22:50:45 <OwenS> I'm also aware that they, a government org, have a non toll free number. 22:50:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Audigex: the forum is full of tools that can do that 22:51:05 <Audigex> eddi, any search hints? 22:51:13 <Audigex> newgrf maker is quite a broad term, for example 22:51:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C705.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:37 <Eddi|zuHause> could try grfmaker 22:51:39 <OwenS> Audigex: And a freaking long "You can get lots of information online" message whenever you call them. That I'd swear is just a way to keep you on the line for long enough to extract 1p more from you in BT fees 22:52:00 <Audigex> probably 22:52:11 <Audigex> no freephone number/local rate on saynoto0870? 22:52:18 <Audigex> thanks eddi, i'll give it ag o 22:52:19 <Audigex> *a go 22:52:21 <OwenS> It's 0845... but still 22:52:30 <Eddi|zuHause> 0815? 22:52:44 * OwenS wonders WTF an 0815 is 22:53:12 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/08/15_(Redewendung) 22:53:37 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: Hehe, german and it's upside down quote marks 22:53:45 <petern> it's! 22:54:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i really struggle on those... 22:54:24 <Eddi|zuHause> (the misplaced apostrophes, i mean) 22:54:42 <OwenS> I personaly think the Japanese have the ?right idea? 22:54:47 <Audigex> fecking hell, i was expecting this to be simple 22:54:55 <Audigex> owens - it has 0845s on too 22:55:12 <Audigex> eddi, anything I can just give it a png of the sprites and it'll make a "generic" train 22:55:15 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: basically it's a term for "something generic" 22:55:36 <Audigex> all i want is to give it a png, and it produce a train where i can use the front, back and middle carriages 22:55:38 *** ^spike^ [~spike@dhcp-077-251-090-192.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: Not here] 22:55:45 <OwenS> Audigex: First problke 22:55:46 <Audigex> and put a few middle carriages in between the end cars 22:55:49 <OwenS> flaah misskey 22:56:04 <OwenS> First problem: GRF tools take PCXs... 22:56:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Audigex: you can try the NDL compiler, but it's not very complete... 22:56:47 <OwenS> But NewGRF 101: NewGRF is a turing tarpit 22:56:52 <Eddi|zuHause> as in: you can't do much beyond replacing train graphics 22:57:18 <OwenS> Though I don't know whether I really need to qualify that with "turing" 22:58:06 <petern> pfft 22:58:10 <petern> ini files all the way 22:59:22 <Audigex> aah 22:59:34 <Audigex> okay, i've got two blocks set up in grfmaker 22:59:42 <Audigex> but i've no idea what to do with the png? 22:59:57 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAEb28b.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:02 <OwenS> Convert it to a PCX of the correct pallette 23:02:25 <Audigex> any form of advice on how to do that? :) 23:02:30 <Audigex> urls help me muchly 23:02:38 <Audigex> again, searching for pcx comes up with nothing useful 23:04:35 <Nite_Owl> do you have a paint/pixel program 23:04:50 <Audigex> nite_owl - I use paint, the sprites are already drawn :) 23:05:09 *** reldred2 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has joined #openttd 23:05:11 <Nite_Owl> can paint convert to pcx 23:05:18 <Eddi|zuHause> screw paint... it can't do pcx... get a real program 23:05:35 <Nite_Owl> download Gimp then 23:05:36 <Audigex> it doesnt have it in "save as" so presumably not 23:05:45 <Audigex> agh, so many programs 23:05:49 <Eddi|zuHause> try paint.net 23:05:53 <Audigex> kk 23:05:59 <Eddi|zuHause> or gimp 23:06:07 <Audigex> i just want to draw the bloody thing, but i'm sure the front is wrong :( 23:06:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it's important that it can import the palette of openttd 23:06:41 <Nite_Owl> I have a very old version of Paint Shop Pro so I only really know that program well 23:06:57 <Audigex> dling gimp now 23:07:02 <Audigex> i hate this program though 23:07:08 <Tefad> it got better 23:07:09 <Audigex> with it's fecking different windows 23:07:19 <Tefad> different windows? 23:07:33 <Tefad> i thought that's how everyone did GUIs 23:07:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you can get the palette by loading a screenshot, or there are preconfigured gimp palettes in the forum 23:08:05 <Audigex> tefad, most use smaller windows - gimp always annoyed me because they're not within one main window 23:08:10 <Audigex> or at least, werent when i last used it 23:08:14 <Eddi|zuHause> dangit, i guess dexter isn't done today... 23:08:17 <Tefad> oh you're talking about useless MDI stuff 23:08:21 <Nite_Owl> check the OTTD Graphics forum for a recent post from Zeypher for th epallet 23:08:23 <Audigex> essentially 23:08:29 <Audigex> the point being, it's messy on my screen 23:08:39 <Tefad> so use a window manager that supports multiple workspaces 23:08:42 <Tefad> put gimp on one workspace 23:08:46 <Audigex> .... 23:08:59 <Audigex> or i could not use window managers :) 23:09:09 <Tefad> then you can't move your windows around.. you win 23:09:20 *** reldred1 [~Richard_E@wirele5.lnk.telstra.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:26 <Audigex> im a single-desktop windows 7 user 23:09:34 <OwenS> Then you have a window manager 23:09:35 <Tefad> ohhhhh hahaha that explains it 23:09:41 <Audigex> owens - not how he means it 23:09:43 <OwenS> A crappy one, but still a window manager 23:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Audigex: there are workspace-emulating programs for windows as well 23:09:59 <Tefad> yeah, windows default shell/wm is shite 23:10:01 <Audigex> there are, but my hard drive is gunked up enough already 23:10:11 <Audigex> not windows fault, before you start bashing ;) 23:10:15 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: I thought in 7 MS caught up with 20(?) years of Unix multiple desktops? 23:10:18 <Audigex> i just have a lot of crap 23:10:26 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: i have no idea 23:10:29 <Audigex> and it's a feature i wish windows had 23:10:38 <Audigex> but linux just doesn't do everything i want 23:10:40 <Tefad> i've had a beef with windows since i started getting serious with my computing 23:10:49 <Tefad> anyway,, back to openttd! 23:10:58 <TrueBrain> who? 23:10:59 <TrueBrain> what? 23:11:01 <TrueBrain> where? 23:11:16 <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: afair, power tools semi-officially did that under windows-xp 23:11:17 <R0b0t1> why? 23:11:18 <R0b0t1> how? 23:11:27 <TrueBrain> R0b0t1: don't be annoying 23:11:30 <TrueBrain> (hihi) 23:11:31 <Tefad> tip, if you're going to use a unix-based app and doesn't like how it interfaces in your GUI thing, try to find GUI enhancements that make the experience more bearable. 23:11:57 <Audigex> tefad, if i was going to be using it permanently, i would 23:11:59 <Tefad> taekwindow, katmouse, dragking are all fun windows utilities 23:12:04 <Audigex> for the sake of making one GRF, i'll pass 23:12:15 <TrueBrain> your loss 23:12:35 <Tefad> bblean is an ok wm replacement 23:12:39 <Audigex> i do think it's a good idea 23:12:41 <Tefad> there's more, but bleh 23:12:46 <Audigex> but i dont normally need it 23:12:57 <Audigex> and im not installing it just to use one program, once 23:13:09 <OwenS> I find GTK unbearable on Windows machines TBH anyway :p 23:13:10 <Audigex> right, now to find this palate 23:13:39 <Tefad> OwenS: i find qt unbearable on any OS.. ; ) 23:14:44 <OwenS> Tefad: Document why and perhaps I can add some features to make it less so for you and push them to Nokia to see if they accept them ;-) 23:14:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i find it funny that i have KDE3 apps in a bright colour scheme and KDE4 apps in a dark colour scheme 23:14:52 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:14:54 <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: I have the same ATM. Annoying. 23:15:03 <TrueBrain> goodnight all 23:15:08 <OwenS> Night TB 23:15:09 <Tefad> OwenS: the themes are too flashy. 23:15:11 <Audigex> okay, opened a screenshot in GIMP 23:15:13 <Audigex> nn tb 23:15:13 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's cool... 23:15:20 <Audigex> how doo i get the palate off it? 23:15:24 <Audigex> *do 23:15:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i get reminded to which programs still need switching ;) 23:15:29 <Tefad> colormap 23:15:41 <OwenS> Tefad: I don't describe the CDE, Motif and Windows themes as flashy :p 23:16:01 <Tefad> i just want flat colors not bitmaps 23:16:15 <Tefad> does GTK even have 'themes' ? 23:16:18 <OwenS> Yes 23:16:28 <Tefad> more than just color settings? 23:16:29 <OwenS> Or have you been sitting under a rock for a decade? 23:16:51 <Tefad> dunno, i don't use many guis aside from firefox and the gimp 23:17:08 <Audigex> Audigex> how doo i get the palate off it? 23:17:10 <Audigex> [00:15] <Audigex> *do 23:17:11 <Eddi|zuHause> is "sit under rock" equivalent to "use debian stable"? 23:17:14 <Audigex> anyone? 23:17:17 <TinoDidriksen> Yes 23:17:23 <Tefad> i got pissed at firefox when they added gradients to the tabs on windows 23:17:31 <OwenS> Tefad: But if you prefer the GTK theme... Set your Qt theme to "GTK+". Simples. 23:17:39 <OwenS> (And I mean the GTK themse you're using) 23:17:45 <OwenS> Tefad: OK, wtf on that? 23:17:48 <Tefad> if i'm going to do that, i'd rather be using all GTK apps 23:18:04 <Tefad> to load qt to emulate GTK seems like a waste to me 23:18:44 <Tefad> no idea what gtk theme i'm using, aside from the color description i made up a few years back 23:19:10 <OwenS> Qt's Cleanlooks style is a clone of the Gnome standard Clearlooks style; and if you want more minimalist, Windows, CDE and Motif provide that. In that order. 23:21:43 <Audigex> okay, one PCX file created - presumably with the correct palate but probably not 23:22:32 <Audigex> how do i import it? can't find anything related in the menu :( 23:23:36 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.88] has joined #openttd 23:24:43 <PeterT> !password 23:24:44 *** PeterT was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. 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