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06:16:57  <pavel1269> hello
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07:02:45  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17251 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3141]: other tunnel end not shown if building rail tunnels and the first railtype is not available yet
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07:58:24  <Terkhen> good morning
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08:05:22  <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho
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09:11:40  <insulfrog> hi
09:11:51  <Alberth> hello
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09:50:30  <TrueBrain> then I have 2 cores, and still I can't play back this 720p movie without any problems :p
09:50:39  <TrueBrain> might be related to the fact I am running 3 intensive tasks now ... hmm ..
09:50:41  <TrueBrain> I NEED MORE CORES!
09:51:07  <Alberth> you still have space in your 19" rack?
09:51:21  <TrueBrain> we always have space in our 19" rack .. but this is more home-related :p
09:51:55  <Alberth> I was refering to *your* rack :p
09:52:06  <TrueBrain> I don't have a rack: I am a boy
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10:06:13  <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: You don't have a rack: You're a boulderer.
10:17:41  <andythenorth> no rack for me.
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10:19:55  <Prof_Frink> My rack needs more friends.
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12:57:23  <TrueBrain> NOTICE: we are switching to LDAP, a centralized user registration system. Signups are disabled for now, existing accounts should still work (for the time being :p)
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13:03:03  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17252 /extra/website/ (41 files in 10 dirs): [Website] -Add: LDAP support, LDAP signup, LDAP group permission
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13:35:34  <TrueBrain> the thing I love about IT .. you can plan the whole world, but in the end you do need to just do it on a live env ... :)
13:36:04  <Alberth> :)
13:39:21  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17253 /extra/website/account/ ( [Website] -Fix: it was impossible to claim an existing username while merging accounts (which defeats the idea, doesn't it? :))
13:41:42  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17254 /extra/website/account/ [Website] -Fix (r17252): silly me .. I just don't have any words for this :p
13:48:40  <SirSquid1ess> TrueBrain: that is an awesome description <3
14:01:47  <Eddi|zuHause> gnah... the first time in months that i watch live tv... and of course i run into the trap of wanting to skip commercials :p
14:02:21  <Alberth> that's why I gave up on watching live :p
14:02:44  <TrueBrain> okay ...... I think ... I am ready to move ... did some final checks and thingies ...
14:02:49  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i did, too... i have no idea what drove me...
14:02:50  <TrueBrain> no test like the real test, right? :p
14:03:22  <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: what do i have to do to test it?
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14:03:43  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17255 /extra/website/account/ [Website] -Fix (r17252): Translator Account Language table is no longer reachable via the direct way
14:03:44  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: that is the problem ... I have to go live for you to even try it :)
14:03:55  <TrueBrain> as it modifies flyspray and mediawiki :)
14:09:01  <pavel1269> lol @ r17254
14:09:49  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17256 /extra/website/ [Website] -Fix (r17252): forgot to update documentation of a long renamed module
14:15:29  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17257 /extra/website/account/ [Website] -Fix (r17252): final touches
14:20:49  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: now you can test ;)
14:20:55  <TrueBrain> in fact .. you don't have a choice :)
14:21:20  <Eddi|zuHause> i still don't know what to test
14:21:54  <TrueBrain> go to any webservice, and try to login :)
14:21:56  <TrueBrain> you will see :)
14:22:15  <glx> what login/pass should I use?
14:22:27  <TrueBrain> use it, you should be able to figure that out relative quick :)
14:22:29  <TrueBrain> else I did my job wrong ...
14:22:34  <Eddi|zuHause> "That user does not exist on this Flyspray installation"
14:22:43  <TrueBrain> oh, one moment
14:23:14  <Eddi|zuHause> of course it was fine before i logged out ;)
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14:23:26  <TrueBrain> hit it now
14:23:40  <Eddi|zuHause> nope
14:24:37  <TrueBrain> now ...
14:24:42  <TrueBrain> FS has the same error in 3 different strings
14:24:44  <TrueBrain> how should I know :(
14:25:39  <Eddi|zuHause> ah... now it showed something about /merge, but the error message disappeared before i could copy the url
14:26:03  <TrueBrain> that is flyspray .. not something I can help :(
14:26:06  <TrueBrain>
14:26:08  <Terkhen> hmmm
14:26:21  <Terkhen> I followed the steps at
14:26:34  <Terkhen> the activation link gives an "unhandled exception"
14:26:43  <TrueBrain> blegh, I hate those errors :p
14:27:01  <glx> was fun to remember each password :)
14:27:21  <Terkhen> :P
14:27:45  <glx> TrueBrain: validation fails
14:27:52  <TrueBrain> define 'fails'
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14:28:03  <glx> what Terkhen said
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14:28:44  * frosch123 too
14:28:46  <Eddi|zuHause> and i probably have the old game with the email greylisting...
14:28:49  <TrueBrain> yet all details are updated correctly
14:28:56  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: allow SPF correct emails
14:29:00  <TrueBrain> greylisting them is stupid
14:29:13  <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what that means
14:29:27  <Eddi|zuHause> and i am not in control of the mail server
14:29:30  <Terkhen> I can login to flyspray, though
14:29:39  <TrueBrain> Terkhen: your account is completely created
14:29:42  <TrueBrain> okay, I enabled debugging
14:29:49  <TrueBrain> try recreating the error
14:30:16  <glx> invalid syntax
14:30:25  <Nickman87> Alberth, you here? :)
14:30:38  <TrueBrain> glx: I really REALLY need more details ..
14:30:40  <TrueBrain> copy paste it somewhere please
14:30:41  <frosch123> haha, does the captcha above the wiki login tell me my new username and password?
14:31:01  <TrueBrain> frosch123: 1) captcha sucks, 2) it would be a fun fact :p
14:31:08  <Alberth> Nickman87: no :)
14:31:12  <TrueBrain> even more as your password is ssha encrypted at the most earliest stage :p
14:31:25  <glx>
14:31:35  <Nickman87> then I'll come back later...
14:31:36  <Nickman87> :D
14:31:51  <Terkhen> yes, I can login at bananas, translator and flyspray... but I can't edit spanish as a translator anymore
14:31:54  <welshdragon> bleh, can't for the life of me remember my translator password
14:32:04  <Nickman87> for the new widget system, do I still need the old OnPaint function? Or should it be changed to "DrawWidget"?
14:32:13  <TrueBrain> Terkhen: hmm ...
14:32:15  <Nickman87> or is that a completely different thing?
14:32:19  <Alberth> welshdragon: try the 'i forgot my password option' :p
14:32:22  <glx> welshdragon: try until it says you found it :)
14:32:57  <TrueBrain> glx: ah, yes, you can't load that page twice, as you are already known in ldap
14:33:02  <TrueBrain> which leaves me clueless to what went wrong
14:33:18  <welshdragon> yeah
14:33:27  <welshdragon> done it
14:33:38  <Alberth> Nickman87: OnPaint() should reduce to { this->DrawWidgets(); }  once all windows have been replaced, we probably eliminate OnPaint(), use a different default, or something else
14:33:42  <TrueBrain> I need someone who gets that error the first time
14:34:14  <Nickman87> ok, but where should I fill my list then? In a different method?
14:34:24  <Alberth> what list?
14:34:25  <TrueBrain> frosch123: you translate for the Spanish language?
14:34:31  <Nickman87> I'm working on the signs list, so I have a list widget
14:34:34  <TrueBrain> Terkhen: you were for the Spanish language, not?
14:34:35  <glx> btw I still can't login :)
14:34:35  <Nickman87> and I need to fill it with data
14:34:42  <welshdragon> TrueBrain: (relating to translator, clicking on status)
14:34:49  <Nickman87> now it gets done in the OnPaint function
14:34:57  <Terkhen> yes, I am translating the Spanish language
14:35:10  <Terkhen> I get the same error than welshdragon when clicking on status
14:35:32  <frosch123> TrueBrain: wiki and fs work for me, wt3 gives errors when going to the status page
14:35:39  <TrueBrain> Terkhen: relogin, and you will be fine
14:35:48  <TrueBrain> frosch123: but are you a Spanish translator yes/no?
14:35:51  <frosch123> no
14:35:54  <Terkhen> okay, let me try
14:35:58  <frosch123> i'm no translator at all
14:35:59  <TrueBrain> then why were you added ... :p
14:36:00  <Alberth> Nickman87: ah a naughty window :)  in principle it should be moved to OnInvalidate() and that function should be called when the data has changed
14:36:22  <TrueBrain> ah .. lol .. oops
14:36:27  <frosch123> yeah, let's mess it up :p
14:36:49  <Nickman87> but, is it changed? or do I need to fire that event in onother class when someone creates a new sign? :D
14:36:49  <Alberth> Nickman87: make that "virtual void OnInvalidateData(int data = 0)"
14:37:23  <Alberth> Nickman87: as a first step, you can move the code, then add a call in OnPaint()
14:37:24  <Nickman87> ah, the function already exists I see :)
14:37:35  <Nickman87> So, I can just move the filling of the list over there?
14:37:38  <glx> but keep it virtual :)
14:37:43  <Nickman87> yeah ;)
14:37:58  <Alberth> filename plz?
14:38:04  <Terkhen> TrueBrain: I still can't access as a translator, and I still get the same error when clicking on Status
14:38:11  <TrueBrain> Terkhen: login + logout
14:38:23  <Nickman87> signs_gui.cpp
14:38:43  <TrueBrain> status page is fixed
14:41:21  <Alberth> Nickman87: looks like you get called with a change, just the actual rebuilding/sorting is not done. Adding that at the constructor and OnInvalidateData() will probably enough (ie instead of just scheduling the operation, also actually do it)
14:42:05  <glx> TrueBrain: I still can't login anywhere :)
14:42:17  <Nickman87> so, at the moment it just marks the list as dirty and all is resolved inside the onPaint function? :)
14:42:36  <TrueBrain> glx: on no side?
14:42:38  <TrueBrain> site
14:42:42  <Terkhen> now Spanish / trunk appears without (read only), but when clicking on edit the webpage still asks me to become a translator
14:42:51  <TrueBrain> Terkhen: hehehe :)
14:43:16  <TrueBrain> welshdragon: you translate Welsh, and that is correct? (just validating)
14:43:28  <TrueBrain> Terkhen: go through that once
14:43:29  <welshdragon> TrueBrain: yes
14:44:03  <glx> I tried wiki, bugs and
14:44:18  <TrueBrain> glx: euh .. yeah .. your account was never created :p
14:44:20  <TrueBrain> let me reset ..
14:44:39  <TrueBrain> glx: create a 'merge' account without giving any of the 3 above thingies
14:44:45  <TrueBrain> do not validate yet
14:44:56  <Alberth> Nickman87: yes, see sortlist_type.h
14:45:02  <glx> I tried to remerge and it said it exists already :)
14:45:06  <Terkhen> TrueBrain: you mean login and logout? still the same
14:45:22  <TrueBrain> Terkhen: I mean pressing Signup
14:45:27  <TrueBrain> and clikc Accept (after agreeing)
14:45:33  <glx> TrueBrain: created
14:45:39  <Terkhen> okay :P
14:46:05  <TrueBrain> k, now validate glx :)
14:46:21  <glx> syntax error :)
14:46:36  <TrueBrain> copy/paste :)
14:46:55  <glx>
14:47:11  <TrueBrain> lol
14:47:14  <TrueBrain> utf-8 problem :)
14:47:18  <TrueBrain> okay ... no gecos for us ..
14:47:20  <TrueBrain> fuck unix :p
14:47:29  <Terkhen> after clicking on "I accept those terms" i get this:
14:47:35  <Terkhen>
14:47:41  <glx> it didn't like the ? .
14:47:50  <TrueBrain> glx: hit reload
14:48:28  <glx> activated :)
14:48:39  <TrueBrain> Terkhen: you are right ... slapd fucked up :'(
14:49:23  <glx> login still fails
14:49:32  <TrueBrain> uid=jpx_,ou=Users,dc=openttd,dc=org <- I wonder what went wrong ...
14:49:52  <Nickman87> still one problem Alberth, This call: "this->widget[SLW_LIST].top" is not allowed anymore (game crashes), should I use the "this->nested_array[widget]" objects instead?
14:49:57  <TrueBrain> Terkhen: relogin, and then it should work
14:49:59  <Terkhen> hehehe
14:50:05  <Terkhen> okay
14:50:32  <TrueBrain> glx: you have all required permissions ..
14:50:33  <Terkhen> yes, it's working perfectly :)
14:51:35  <Alberth> Nickman87: this->widget == NULL, so any use crashes the program :)   this->nested_array[] is the replacement, although at some useful points you also get a const Rect &r with coordinates.
14:51:53  <glx> "unknown username/password combination" for FS, "Your username and password didn't match. Please try again." on
14:52:09  <Nickman87> I thought so, Same problem as before, it is to draw the contents of the list ;)
14:52:30  <Nickman87> I think ai_gui.cpp has a list in it to?
14:52:47  <Alberth> that should be done in DrawWidget(), eg bridge_gui.cpp
14:53:00  <Eddi|zuHause> i clicked the link in the email and it says "Invalid username/validation combination."
14:53:10  <Nickman87> k, thx
14:53:13  <Nickman87> I'll look at that
14:53:27  <Alberth> line 221
14:53:38  <Nickman87> thx
14:54:42  <Alberth> that is slightly more complicated as a bridge sprite and a multi-line text is rendered, but it should give you an idea :)
14:55:38  <TrueBrain> glx: I can't fnd nothing odd on your account
14:55:39  <Nickman87> yeah, should poin tme in the good direction :)
14:55:43  <TrueBrain> did you make a typo in your password?
14:55:50  <TrueBrain> can you login at ?
14:55:54  <glx> no
14:55:55  <Nickman87> do you guys like comments in the code, or do you keep it to a minimum? :)
14:56:30  <Alberth> Nickman87: as long as they add information, there is nothing wrong with them
14:56:59  <frosch123> don't do "/* Open the window */ \n OpenWindow", else comments are fine :)
14:57:07  <Nickman87> I sometimes explain what some steps do in a function, to mark what is going on :)
14:57:14  <Nickman87> hehe, yeah, that is a bit overkill ;)
14:57:22  <Nickman87> but for the "not so logical" steps ;)
14:57:30  <glx> I can't login anywhere and my password is correct
14:59:12  <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: <- that looks wrong in at least two ways
14:59:27  <TrueBrain> k, I force-logged-out everyone
14:59:50  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: you miss a logo
15:00:15  <TrueBrain> either way, Eddi|zuHause, your account is created
15:01:01  <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't explain why the validation failed
15:01:10  <Eddi|zuHause> nor why the layout is screwed up
15:01:17  <Eddi|zuHause> and what logo do you mean?
15:01:30  <TrueBrain> validation fails as you are already validated :p
15:01:35  <TrueBrain> dunno what went wrong the first time you tried it
15:01:51  <TrueBrain> and I see nothing wrong
15:02:06  <Eddi|zuHause> it already looked like this the first time i tried
15:02:10  <TrueBrain> ah, logo is missing in general .. oh well ..
15:02:20  <TrueBrain> then some activated your account for you :p
15:02:27  <TrueBrain> for example, something that browses the links
15:02:40  <Eddi|zuHause> err...
15:02:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember installing something like this
15:03:11  <TrueBrain> all I know is that someone or something clicked on the link emailed to you
15:03:14  <TrueBrain> and that validated your account
15:03:21  <TrueBrain> any attempt after that, will result in the error you see
15:03:47  <Eddi|zuHause> Account Profile
15:03:48  <Eddi|zuHause> This page is not yet done, but will be in the very near feature.
15:03:55  <Eddi|zuHause> how long has this been standing there? :p
15:04:01  <TrueBrain> 30 minutes
15:04:24  <Eddi|zuHause> what benefits do i have from logging in at
15:04:37  <TrueBrain> you? Not using bananas? None
15:04:40  <Nickman87> the drawing of the list is working!
15:04:42  <TrueBrain> you can manage your profile there in the near future
15:04:54  <Alberth> Nickman87: great!
15:05:04  <Eddi|zuHause> logging in at flyspray works
15:06:14  <Eddi|zuHause> enough testing for now...
15:06:40  <glx> next step account profile testing :)
15:06:51  <TrueBrain> tnx for testing Eddi|zuHause ;)
15:07:19  * glx needs to change his password ;)
15:07:41  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17258 /extra/website/general/utils/ [Website] -Fix (r17252): the base64 went wrong, generating invalid ssha for the password
15:07:57  <glx> nice that explains my problem I guess
15:08:04  <Nickman87> Clicking also working ;), looking good Alberth :)
15:08:10  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17259 /extra/website/general/utils/ [Website] -Fix (r17252): *nix doesn't like UTF-8 gecos names .. so don't sent gecos names at all
15:08:11  <TrueBrain> glx: I hope so!
15:08:17  <Ammler> nice recover password :-)
15:09:56  <Alberth> Nickman87: :)
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15:13:52  <Nickman87> one more question Alberth: "SetDParam(0, this->vscroll.count);" what is this used for? It sais it sets a global sting value, but what is it used for?
15:14:16  <Nickman87> or do I just ignore it and set it everytime? :)
15:14:33  <frosch123> take a look at the {blabla} in the string in english.txt you are displaying
15:15:04  <glx> first arg for next string to draw
15:15:11  <Nickman87> its the number of items
15:15:12  <Alberth> Nickman87: somewhere in the window, a string with an argument is used.
15:15:21  <Nickman87> ok, I get it now :)
15:15:33  <Nickman87> it is to display the number of sign in the title window
15:16:01  <TrueBrain> find -uid 1000 -exec chown 10002 {}; <- what is wrong with this?
15:16:27  <Alberth> that code should be moved to 'virtual void SetStringParameters(int widget) const'
15:16:54  <Alberth> (and be executed for widget == caption widget
15:17:23  <glx> Alberth: will help to remove many {SKIP} IIRC
15:17:57  <TrueBrain> @quit I will be back!
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15:18:07  <Nickman87> the SetStringParameters gets called everytime a widget gets drawn? Or should I call it myself?
15:18:17  <glx> bye DorpsGek :)
15:18:19  <Alberth> glx: and also get inserted every time, instead of only with the OnPaint() call :)
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15:18:47  <Alberth> Nickman87: it gets called before the string is 'printed' automatically.
15:19:19  <Nickman87> ah, ok :)
15:19:19  <DorpsGek> I'm back !
15:19:26  <Alberth> Nickman87: in particular, also when computing size of the widget
15:19:37  <Nickman87> so I should just check the int that gets passed
15:20:23  <Alberth> Nickman87: yeah, that is the best form of documenting what widget you want to use the value :p
15:20:56  <Nickman87> indeed :)
15:21:02  <Nickman87> I've moved it, lets test
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15:21:33  <Alberth> if all is well, you don't see any difference :)
15:21:54  <Nickman87> lets hope :D
15:23:38  <Nickman87> forgot to add some functions to the constructor
15:24:59  <TrueBrain> glx: I will now sync up your ssh account with LDAP; it might abort open processes :) (read: imap)
15:25:32  <Nickman87> number doesn't get updated al the time
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15:25:58  <Nickman87> so, SetStringParameters doesn't get called after an invalidation of the list object...
15:26:01  <glx> TrueBrain: I can close thunderbird for now :)
15:26:15  <Nickman87> when I close the window and reopen it, all is well
15:26:32  <TrueBrain> glx: no worries, it will reconnect
15:26:32  <Nickman87> can I force it to call the SetStringParameters function?
15:27:41  <TrueBrain> glx: if you received this mail, everything is okay
15:28:04  <glx> received :)
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15:29:59  <Alberth> Nickman87: force?
15:30:24  <TrueBrain> glx: everything works as it should?
15:30:33  <Nickman87> yeah
15:30:36  <Nickman87> its like this:
15:30:46  <TrueBrain> btw, glx, you can use 'passwd' on SSH now to change your password :p
15:30:54  <Nickman87> I open the sign list, and the number is correct, I add a sign, the list gets updated, but the number in the title bar doesnt
15:30:55  <TrueBrain> soon I will force a ssh-key btw, but that later :)
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15:31:08  <Nickman87> because the SetStringParameters function doesn't get called again so it seems
15:31:09  <Alberth> oh, you want to update the displayed value
15:31:12  <Nickman87> yeah
15:31:27  <Alberth> invalidate the widget, and it gets repainted
15:31:30  <Nickman87> should I move the updating of the value to somewhere else, or can I force the system to call the SetStringParameters
15:31:41  <Nickman87> ok :)
15:31:51  <Nickman87> only the title caption then I presume? :)
15:31:55  <glx> TrueBrain: I use ssh key but maybe not for thunderbird (though it connected correctly even if the password changed)
15:32:17  <TrueBrain> thunderbird uses IMAP, not SSH
15:32:18  <glx> password changed :)
15:32:20  <TrueBrain> so a key will be useless :p
15:32:45  <TrueBrain> oh ... yeah, your old password indeed took over
15:32:46  <Alberth> Nickman87: any widget you want redrawn(), or  this->SetDirty() for the entire window (but that is a kind of dirty trick :D )
15:32:47  <TrueBrain> my mistake :p
15:33:02  <Alberth> s/redrawn()/redrawn.
15:33:12  <TrueBrain> glx: that is no longer true :)
15:33:26  <glx> I changed my password using putty :)
15:33:36  <Nickman87> yeah, only need the title widget :)
15:33:49  <TrueBrain> frosch123: you are next ;)
15:34:16  <frosch123> oh noes, does that mean "MOOO" is no longer safe enough for svn?
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15:35:50  <TrueBrain> all done :)
15:36:03  <frosch123> let's see what you did :p
15:36:10  <TrueBrain> type 'id'
15:36:11  <qball> Howdy all
15:36:12  <TrueBrain> and you might notice :p
15:36:16  <TrueBrain> hello qball
15:36:20  <Nickman87> when I am done, where do I submit my patch? On flyspray?
15:36:43  <Alberth> Nickman87: that is the easiest place yes
15:36:53  <Nickman87> ok :)
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15:38:05  <frosch123> [17:37] <TrueBrain> and you might notice :p <- I also notice that the password changed (after killing the agent)
15:38:12  <frosch123> :p
15:38:55  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17260 /branches/0.7/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
15:38:55  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
15:38:55  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Other tunnel end not shown if building rail tunnels and the first railtype is not available yet [FS#3141] (r17251)
15:38:55  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: One could, via unselect all, also unselect already installed content; it would not uninstall it though [FS#3137] (r17245)
15:38:55  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: Make overbuilding the front tile of a road station/depot with road consistent with overbuilding the front tile of tunnels/bridges [FS#2802] (r17239)
15:38:56  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change [NoAI]: Load the API before compiling an AI script so AIs can subclass API classes and use API constants as part of their own constants (r17043)
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15:42:01  <glx> I can't read my mails :(
15:42:08  <TrueBrain> why not?
15:42:08  <Ammler> Nickman87: and a note to the tt-forums thread
15:42:31  <TrueBrain> glx: I did give the imap a reset a moment ago
15:43:06  <glx> works now
15:43:19  <TrueBrain> yeah .. :) I had to reset it to make it accept the new users/passwords
15:44:18  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: you are next ;)
15:44:51  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: flyspray seems to work for me, but the wiki fails. maybe because of the _?
15:45:13  <TrueBrain> shouldn't be any problem, let me check in a sec
15:45:51  <glx> each dev find a different bug :)
15:46:25  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: I moved your account details on SSH
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15:47:54  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: I see no reason why you can't login to the wiki
15:48:04  <michi_cc> let me try again
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15:49:43  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: "Login error: Incorrect password entered. Please try again." works on all other sites
15:50:13  <TrueBrain> aint that weird ;)
15:50:22  <TrueBrain> let me enable a debug thingy, then you need to try again, and let me know what it says :)
15:50:41  <TrueBrain> there
15:51:14  <TrueBrain> the most important being: userdn is: uid=truebrain,ou=Users,dc=openttd,dc=org
15:51:29  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: it tries to look up "uid=michi cc". see the missing _? IIRC Mediawiki maps a _ to space by default
15:51:35  <TrueBrain> hahaha
15:51:37  <TrueBrain> that is stupid :)
15:51:55  <TrueBrain> euh .... what to do, what to do ...
15:53:01  <glx> hehe account creation didn't like ? in my display name, wiki doesn't like _ in login name
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15:54:20  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: try now? Dirty solution ;)
15:54:52  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: was your old wiki account MichiCC?
15:54:54  * Alberth is having dinner, back in about an hour
15:55:33  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: no, I just entered michi_cc there, was probably internally mapped to "michi cc" then
15:55:52  <TrueBrain> yes, as I have that account on record too, with 2 edits :p
15:55:54  <TrueBrain> but okay :)
15:55:56  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: nope. "MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'michi_cc' for key 2 (localhost)""
15:56:07  <TrueBrain> try again please :)
15:56:12  <TrueBrain> I saw thatone coming ;)
15:56:32  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: Login error: You have not specified a valid user name.
15:56:42  <TrueBrain> I hate mediawiki lalalalala
15:56:44  <TrueBrain> I hate mediawiki lalalalala
15:56:45  <TrueBrain> I hate mediawiki lalalalala
15:57:36  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: and now?
15:58:27  <TrueBrain> bah
15:58:45  <michi_cc> back to the SQL error
15:59:28  <TrueBrain> problem about mediawiki is that it creates an unknown user in a very early stage
15:59:31  <TrueBrain> later on that data is corrected
15:59:47  <TrueBrain> but .. well .. there is already a record named michi_cc, so correcting to that is not really an option :p
16:01:22  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: just a side node lest I forget: the SPF record for is missing the IPv6 adresses
16:01:32  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: very good point
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16:03:17  <TrueBrain> I can't find where it converts a _ to a space ...
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16:08:01  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17261 /trunk/ ( os/win32/installer/install.nsi): -Fix (r17214): don't forget to package the compatability wrapper scripts
16:10:27  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: and now?
16:11:50  <michi_cc> nope
16:12:02  <TrueBrain> what error?
16:12:16  <michi_cc> no valid username
16:12:57  <TrueBrain> just for laughs: now?
16:13:36  <michi_cc> back to the database error
16:13:47  <TrueBrain> which one?
16:14:37  <michi_cc> duplicate key
16:14:53  <TrueBrain> huh? This time there are no duplicated keys ...
16:14:54  <michi_cc> but it is for Michi_cc (note the upercase) now
16:15:01  <TrueBrain> the tables are case insensitive
16:15:06  <michi_cc> "from within function "User::addToDatabase". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'Michi_cc' for key 2 (localhost)"."
16:15:09  <TrueBrain> mediawiki FORCES the first letter to be uppercase :p
16:15:16  <TrueBrain> ah, it wants to add the entry ...
16:15:17  <TrueBrain> stupid
16:15:20  <michi_cc> that at least can be disabled
16:15:37  <michi_cc> but would probably break all wiki-links :)
16:15:45  <TrueBrain> you can't disable that .. it is .. hardcoded :s
16:15:48  <TrueBrain> it depends on it ..
16:15:53  <TrueBrain> like this _ vs \s
16:16:11  <TrueBrain> euh .. euh .. euh ..
16:16:15  <TrueBrain> running out of ideas here :)
16:16:50  <TrueBrain> it is because in titles, _ are a space
16:16:54  <TrueBrain> and a user is a title too
16:19:39  <TrueBrain> there you go michi_cc
16:19:42  <TrueBrain> one dirty hack :p
16:19:59  <TrueBrain> oh .. only works the first time you login
16:20:00  <TrueBrain> hahahaa :)
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16:20:44  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: not relevant at all right now, but$wgCapitalLinks
16:21:12  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: LDAP module forces the uppercase for some odd reason
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16:29:48  <TrueBrain> ARGH! This is driving me NUTS!
16:31:37  <TrueBrain> I now slapped it SO HARD
16:32:04  <TrueBrain> so I say: michi_cc: hit it! SPF is btw updated, if you can confirm I did it correct? :)
16:33:03  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: login works. what did you do if user = 'michi cc' then ;)
16:33:09  <TrueBrain> haha :)
16:33:16  <TrueBrain> no .. I added 3 str_replace statements :p
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16:33:22  <TrueBrain> the system things it is michi\scc
16:33:28  <TrueBrain> but when a DB lookup is done, it is michi_cc
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16:37:02  <michi_cc> I hope nobody now wants a space it is login name :-P
16:37:16  <TrueBrain> can't, by signup :p
16:37:22  <TrueBrain> I checked that first :)
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16:41:21  <frosch123> is there any synchronisation between the mail on the wiki and the rest, and between the realname on the wiki, on fs and on the rest, and finally what is the difference between username and nickname on the wiki? :p
16:41:56  <TrueBrain> when logging in, at all time, the data is retrieved from LDAP
16:41:58  <fonsinchen> your git repository doesn't work.
16:42:15  <frosch123> so changes to them is ignore?
16:42:19  <fonsinchen> alve@schaf:~/projekte/openttd$ git pull
16:42:19  <fonsinchen> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
16:42:19  <frosch123> *are
16:42:22  <TrueBrain> this goes for email and displayname/realname
16:42:30  <TrueBrain> I still have to disable those fields in the wiki, yes
16:42:41  <TrueBrain> and on wiki, the difference between nickname and username: you tell me
16:42:47  <TrueBrain> it claims nickname is what you see
16:42:49  <TrueBrain> but that is not true
16:43:00  <TrueBrain> one of the odd things about wiki
16:43:15  <frosch123> :]
16:45:05  <TrueBrain> fonsinchen: to who was that comment?
16:46:16  <TrueBrain> (in general it is a good idea to give slightly more information then: 'git pull')
16:46:30  <fonsinchen> to you, but for some reason it works again. I was pulling trunk
16:46:51  <TrueBrain> there are 112 people here of which most likely 10 have their own personal git
16:46:55  <TrueBrain> next time, please, more specific :)
16:47:01  <fonsinchen> Yes
16:52:30  <TrueBrain> now it finally is time for a bit of food
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16:58:15  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: the SPF record is still a bit incomplete: my account confirmation mail came from ::3 and not ::2
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17:00:37  <Terkhen> Alberth: there is a bug in current trunk (r17261) at the town and station view windows; after renaming a town or a station, the window title is not updated
17:00:45  <Terkhen> company vehicle and waipoint windows work fine after renaming
17:02:20  <Alberth> Terkhen: I don't think I have done those, but plz file a bug report so the issue is not lost.
17:02:28  <Terkhen> okay
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17:02:32  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: really? Hmm ..
17:02:35  <TrueBrain> then a /64 I guess
17:03:21  <Alberth> Terkhen: and thank for you for reporting the bugs!
17:03:36  <Terkhen> :)
17:03:37  <Alberth> TrueBrain: enjoy your dinner
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17:05:39  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: it is very weird, that with vserver, it uses a random interface to send stuff from :p
17:07:17  <TrueBrain> michi_cc: 2001:1af8:4100:a000:1::/112 <- should be sufficient, not? (just to check my sanity :p)
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17:26:50  <michi_cc> TrueBrain: should be I guess
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17:45:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r17262 /trunk/src/lang/ (finnish.txt german.txt greek.txt serbian.txt welsh.txt):
17:45:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_
17:45:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by planetmaker
17:45:33  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: greek - 49 changes by fumantsu
17:45:34  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: serbian - 62 changes by etran
17:45:34  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: welsh - 6 changes by welshdragon
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17:53:55  <frosch123> hmm, lucky times ahead :) the average noob will likely not find the way from to :p
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17:58:04  <TrueBrain> frosch123: lol .. yeah .. a link might be useful ;)
17:59:21  <TrueBrain> frosch123: better? :)
18:00:47  <frosch123> he, i did not said i would not like it :)
18:01:30  <planetmaker> hm... something changed my password for the wiki...
18:01:56  <frosch123> planetmaker: doesn't it even tell you "what"
18:02:39  <planetmaker> hm? I haven't yet registered for the unified account. And I would need my wiki password in order to merge them, don't I?
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18:05:44  <frosch123> oh, got you wrong then
18:06:16  <TrueBrain> and we don't have small people changing your password all the time ... so it is more likely you forgot ;)
18:07:00  <frosch123> <- TrueBrain: can you do the same magic to that page?
18:07:39  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: you do know your wiki account name is 'pm', right?
18:08:41  <planetmaker> I do know that. And I do know my pw, too.
18:09:47  <planetmaker> with that many accounts it helps to note logins and associated pw somewhere safe :-)
18:09:56  <TrueBrain> :p
18:10:02  <planetmaker> and that list should be accurate (besides the browser's memory)
18:10:02  <TrueBrain> but then problem solved I say? ;)
18:10:07  <planetmaker> he?
18:10:16  <TrueBrain> well, you remember the login and the password, solves it all ;)
18:10:18  <planetmaker> but those data don't help me.
18:10:43  <TrueBrain> sign up for merge without linking the wiki, let me know when you did, and don't activate your account just yet
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18:16:01  <TrueBrain> lol, so clearly you were wrong after all :p
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18:16:39  <TrueBrain> DJNekkid: you can talk to me here
18:17:16  <DJNekkid> oki...
18:17:17  <DJNekkid> hehe
18:17:23  <DJNekkid> <-- this is "your" page right?
18:17:35  <TrueBrain> just ask your question
18:17:56  <DJNekkid> well ... it didnt work, i did get something that looks VERY much like an error-page
18:18:19  <TrueBrain> copy paste the error in
18:18:24  <TrueBrain> frosch123: done
18:18:54  <DJNekkid>
18:19:25  <TrueBrain> hmm .. I wish I knew what the error was it gave you the first time
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18:20:32  <DJNekkid>
18:20:39  <DJNekkid> is that any different?
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18:20:45  <DJNekkid> i tried in both Chrome and FF
18:20:58  <TrueBrain> DJNekkid: as I said: I wish I knew waht the error was it gave you the first time ..
18:21:13  <TrueBrain> this are just errors about adding the same account twice .. which happened because the first time it failed somehow
18:21:24  <DJNekkid> oh...
18:21:33  <Nickman87> how can I put debug output in the OTTD code? should I just use stdout?
18:21:40  * OwenS wonders why Django debugging is on...
18:21:44  <TrueBrain> either way DJNekkid, your account is created
18:21:47  <TrueBrain> OwenS: because there were magic error
18:21:54  <DJNekkid> so i could just try to log on?
18:21:59  <TrueBrain> yup
18:22:08  <TrueBrain> you could all along ;) Just it never redirected you :p
18:22:23  <TrueBrain> DJNekkid: you were no translator, right?
18:22:31  <DJNekkid> nope
18:22:32  * OwenS grabs a cushion... carpet is not an elbow friendly surface
18:22:37  <DJNekkid> it were bananas and bugs
18:22:45  <TrueBrain> k, those are correctly added :)
18:23:02  <OwenS> Then again sitting here isn't neck friendly...
18:23:05  <DJNekkid> now asks me to merge again
18:23:32  <TrueBrain> DJNekkid: click Login
18:23:32  <DJNekkid> when i logged in at
18:24:09  <DJNekkid> thats what i did...
18:24:17  <planetmaker> TrueBrain, I requested merge. When I added my wiki pw in that merge form, it didn't complain somehow (but the wiki does)
18:24:28  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: dah ....
18:24:35  <TrueBrain> you can't use your old login anymore .. that the error says ...
18:24:49  <DJNekkid> well ... i gtg now, lets see again 2morrow .)
18:24:50  <DJNekkid> TTYL
18:24:53  <planetmaker> maybe you can check whether that worked. I haven't my confirmation mail yet, so...
18:24:53  <Alberth> TrueBrain:  After entering validation code I get:
18:25:06  <planetmaker> ciao DJNekkid
18:25:11  <TrueBrain> Alberth: YOU are useful :)
18:25:14  <TrueBrain> tnx ;)
18:25:32  <TrueBrain> Alberth: you still have the page open?
18:25:50  <TrueBrain> click on the entry of 'l.modify_s' .. I would like to know 'group' and 'record' value
18:27:16  <Alberth> record                     [(0, 'member', 'uid=alberth,ou=Users,dc=openttd,dc=org')]
18:27:26  <Alberth> group                     'cn=BaNaNaS-Manager,ou=Manager,ou=Groups,dc=openttd,dc=org'
18:27:54  <Alberth> nice debugging facility
18:31:08  <TrueBrain> very much so yes
18:31:36  <TrueBrain> and what is 'groups', can you still tell me that?
18:31:39  <TrueBrain> (sorry, was on the phone :p)
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18:32:14  <Alberth>
18:32:36  <TrueBrain> it really did something ... weird
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18:33:11  <TrueBrain> omg, not that problem again ...
18:34:29  <TrueBrain> k, tnx a lot Alberth, I think/hope I fixed it now :)
18:34:44  <Alberth> oke
18:34:50  <TrueBrain> hmm .. maybe I can delete your account and make you try again ...
18:34:51  <TrueBrain> one sec :)
18:35:20  <Alberth> back to step 1 :)
18:35:27  <TrueBrain> no, step 2 :p
18:35:42  <TrueBrain> there
18:35:44  <TrueBrain> please try :)
18:37:27  <TrueBrain> this STUPID STUPID Python/Django can't handle a for over a database object which you manipulate within its filter .. it starts to do random things :p
18:37:45  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: btw, your mail is under way (if the email address is valid :p)
18:38:23  <Alberth> step 2 worked now
18:38:49  <planetmaker> if there's no typo and it goes to * it will reach me.
18:42:08  <TrueBrain> problem still happens ...hmm ..
18:43:33  <Alberth> login also works at all pages, very nice!
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18:43:58  <TrueBrain> tnx
18:44:01  <TrueBrain> but this bug is weird ...
18:44:05  <TrueBrain> it repeats some code 4 times ..
18:45:21  <TrueBrain> more weird that it did work for you now ... and for 'foobar' I still have this problem (sorry FooBar, I am toying with your account :p)
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18:47:38  <TrueBrain> omg ... Python didn't COPY a setting object
18:47:40  <TrueBrain> but linked it :(
18:52:40  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17263 /extra/website/account/ [Website] -Fix (r17252): Python was so nice to link to an object instead of copying it .. resulting in nasty things :(
18:54:03  <TrueBrain> Alberth: I am going to merge your SSH account :)
18:54:23  <Alberth> ooh :)
18:54:59  <Alberth> that runs with using keys afaik
18:55:06  <TrueBrain> I hope so :)
18:55:09  <TrueBrain> you soon will have to ;)
18:55:15  <TrueBrain> but no, your uid and gid will change
18:56:10  <TrueBrain> done
18:57:03  <Alberth> somebody changed all files :)
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18:57:19  <TrueBrain> how could he :p
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18:59:16  <Ammler> I tried to migrate our bananas account:
19:01:09  <TrueBrain> yes, you are silly
19:01:20  <TrueBrain> you migrated your Ammler account to openttdcoop, while there is already an openttdcoop account
19:01:35  <TrueBrain> and I didn't assume users would do such stupid acts :p
19:01:42  <Ammler> he :-P
19:02:14  <Ammler> I thought, might be a good idea, so I can use my old account again for me.
19:02:20  <TrueBrain> mostly because it is incredible hard to protect against such oddities :p
19:02:40  <TrueBrain> well, going to play a game now, will fix it later :p
19:03:08  <Ammler> then I try to migrate my personal account in the meantime.
19:04:32  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17264 /trunk/ -Fix (r17261): bundle making for OSX failed
19:06:14  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17265 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Typo fix, small is with two l's
19:06:23  <Alberth> commit works :)
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19:07:53  <Eddi|zuHause> somethings in kde4 are acting up...
19:08:44  <Eddi|zuHause> for example sometimes i drag&drop a file, and if i move the mouse into the original window, the file is currently being dragged even if i have already lifted the mouse button
19:09:19  <Eddi|zuHause> or sometimes i turn the mouse wheel, and the action is not carried out in the current mouse location, but in a previous location
19:09:50  <Eddi|zuHause> very annoying if i want to scroll a website, and it changes the url to the previous url instead
19:10:01  <Eddi|zuHause> i get to completely random webpages that way
19:10:21  <Alberth> that's one way to see something of the world :p
19:10:47  <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's always a website i already visited... so that does not really help :p
19:12:12  <Alberth> I rarely drag things around, so I haven't seen that bug here
19:13:38  <FooBar> TrueBrain: toy around what you like, I don't mind. Was a bit busy while I registered so I couldn't be bothered to file a bug report at that time....
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19:21:06  <TrueBrain> FooBar: it is fixed now :)
19:21:19  <FooBar> ah, good :)
19:21:27  <TrueBrain> Ammler: is the original 'openttdcoop' account in use?
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19:22:20  <Ammler> TrueBrain: don't think so, I fear that is another test from me :'-(
19:22:24  <planetmaker> TrueBrain, if we knew whom it belongs...
19:22:35  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: openttdcoop, that is for sure
19:22:38  <planetmaker> :-)
19:22:39  <Ammler> hehe
19:22:43  <Ammler> email address?
19:22:55  <FooBar> TrueBrain: while you're at it, could you hide the create-account page when one is logged in and also hide the merge page when one has merged? Or am I too demanding right now... :P
19:22:59  <TrueBrain> an invalid one .. someone forgot the TLD :p
19:23:09  <TrueBrain> FooBar: hehe, I could do that :)
19:23:48  <FooBar> Other than that: good job on the account merge thingy!
19:24:03  <TrueBrain> tnx, I am rather happy with it :)
19:24:39  <TrueBrain> Ammler: I renamed the original 'openttdcoop' account to 'openttdcoop-disabled'
19:24:46  <TrueBrain> now you can activate your account, which will rename Ammler to openttdcoop
19:25:31  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r17266 /extra/website/templates/header.html: [Website] -Fix: hide Signup/Merge when logged in, and Profile when logged out (on request by FooBar)
19:25:49  <FooBar> hehe :)
19:26:12  <TrueBrain> Ammler: just activate it before your own :p
19:28:24  <TrueBrain> at least something tou can do right :p :p :p :p :p
19:28:31  <Ammler> seems to working :P
19:28:41  <Ammler> thanks man!
19:29:23  <TrueBrain> now just know if you share your account they can access even more shit :p
19:29:25  <TrueBrain> hehehehe :)
19:29:34  <TrueBrain> nah, let me know if there is anything I can do for you :)
19:29:47  <Ammler> that is why I am happy, I don't need anymore.
19:30:05  <Ammler> openttdcoop is just for our bananas grfs.
19:30:32  <Ammler> most of them became obsolete anyway :-)
19:31:43  <TrueBrain> k, besides the initial problem of groups going wrong, it seems rather stable now :) /me is happy too :)
19:32:49  <Ammler> hehe, now a interface to openttd servers :-)
19:32:53  <TrueBrain> sttt :p
19:33:02  <Ammler> hehe
19:33:53  <TrueBrain> Sector 8 is a nice game :)
19:34:08  <OwenS> I've been enjoying Dead Space
19:34:58  <TrueBrain> a bit too scary for my taste :p
19:35:13  <TrueBrain> nah, it was way too dark for my taste .. hurts my eyes :(
19:35:20  <OwenS> The atmosphere construction is brilliant. Screw plot, I have game :P
19:35:32  <TrueBrain> somehow my roommates don't like my playing Sector 8 ... they can .. FEEL me shoting :)
19:35:51  <frosch123> [21:34] <Ammler> hehe, now a interface to openttd servers :-) <- i'm quite sure yexo will come up with a request on monday :p
19:35:59  <OwenS> Dead Space scares my cats...
19:36:05  <TrueBrain> frosch123: I am afraid he will not be the first :p
19:36:29  <TrueBrain> I read the request 5 minutes after I told what I was doing with LDAP :p
19:36:49  <frosch123> for some feature, or that particular i meant
19:37:05  <Ammler> well, a central authentification with some possibilty to manage white/black list would rock.
19:37:31  <TrueBrain> we just start aksing money for accounts, that will keep spammers out :p
19:37:35  <Ammler> we could trash our rotating passwords
19:38:19  <Ammler> oh, I see the need for ;-)
19:38:28  <TrueBrain> .com?
19:38:51  <Ammler> aren't com addresses to make money?
19:39:06  <TrueBrain> ah, like that
19:39:11  <TrueBrain> sorry, never understood that difference
19:39:28  <TrueBrain> try visiting a address btw :p
19:39:29  <OwenS> Ostensibly "com" stands for commercial or comemrce
19:39:43  <OwenS> In practice... nobody gives a crap :p
19:39:52  <Ammler> mysql is example, afaik
19:40:20  <OwenS> Why not just redirect people without the ugliness or delay?
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19:40:33  <TrueBrain> because people fail to see that
19:40:36  <TrueBrain> and keep using .com
19:40:44  <OwenS> ...and?
19:40:46  <TrueBrain> this worked MUCH better :p
19:41:33  <TrueBrain> I saw .com access going down with a good 80% :p
19:41:48  <OwenS> Overall... does it matter? :P
19:41:51  <TrueBrain> yup
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19:41:58  <Ammler> redirect to the donate page
19:42:04  <TrueBrain> I like cleanness :)
19:42:18  <TrueBrain> it is the reason people hire me in real life :) hehe :)
19:42:28  <OwenS> TrueBrain: Then get rid of the www. :P
19:42:35  <TrueBrain> why?
19:43:02  <OwenS> It's redundant to the HTTP, takes far too long to say, and clutters up URLs :P
19:43:18  <TrueBrain> that is why it redirects you :p
19:43:20  <glx> you are not forced to type www
19:43:31  <glx> only silly websites requires it
19:43:36  <OwenS> It also wastes ~4 bytes per request ;-P
19:43:52  <TrueBrain> you really start to talk about waste when the subject is HTTP? :p
19:44:19  <OwenS> I'm one of those people who chops it off his URLs :p
19:44:34  <frosch123> btw. does *rudge know you want to take him over :p
19:44:56  <TrueBrain> I do? Cool :)
19:44:57  <TrueBrain> why?
19:45:09  <frosch123> "This might change in the future"
19:45:39  <TrueBrain> haha, yeah, you can read it like that :)
19:45:46  <TrueBrain> reminds me I need to bug him about options ..
19:45:59  <TrueBrain> but I don't think there really are any options here, without making it unneeded complicated
19:47:17  <frosch123> [21:46] <TrueBrain> haha, yeah, you can read it like that :) <- from my "point of few" it read like that :p
19:48:42  <TrueBrain> better?
19:50:00  <frosch123> yeah :)
19:50:13  <Anti> evening :)
19:50:25  <TrueBrain> I am against that
19:50:39  <frosch123> against evening?
19:50:43  <Anti> idd? :P
19:50:51  <TrueBrain> Anti anti!
19:50:54  * OwenS smiles... VLC is getting closer to built status :p
19:50:56  <Anti> haha :D
19:51:00  <Anti> nice 1
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19:51:07  <Anti> first one that takes it that way
19:51:11  <TrueBrain> bottoms
19:51:18  <Tops> Anti <3
19:51:46  <Anti> every1 always asks me if im from aruba or something :P
19:51:49  <Anti> evening m8
19:51:56  <TrueBrain> Anti: this is not your mobile
19:52:00  <TrueBrain> you are allowed to type out words
19:52:05  <Nickman87> how come the NeedResort function of GUIList, returns false after I have called ForceResort on it before?
19:52:07  <TrueBrain> you don't have to concern yourself about bandwidth
19:52:09  <TrueBrain> not an issue
19:52:12  <Tops> So much for brotherly love ;)
19:52:23  <Anti> i dont idd, i got a 100mbit conn ;)
19:52:25  <OwenS> In fact... typing out entire words is encouraged ;-)
19:52:31  <TrueBrain> yet you continue doing so
19:52:39  <Anti> it is?
19:52:41  <Anti> im lazy
19:53:00  <Tops> Isn't communicating about understanding/being understood?
19:53:01  <TrueBrain> anti-lazy yourself I suggest (strongly, in a way that isn't really a suggestion, but something you say to make the atmosphere not that negative :p)
19:53:03  <Anti> but if you guys really want me too
19:53:24  <TrueBrain> thank you :)
19:53:28  <Anti> that wasnt my intention though
19:53:41  <Anti> just kinda used to abbreviating everything
19:53:51  <TrueBrain> well, it has to stay understandable for Belugas, who missed the whole SMS generation :p
19:53:53  <Tops> He is x.x Trust me.
19:54:07  <Anti> like my name, thats why im naming myself anti  :P
19:54:20  <Tops> They don't know your name.
19:54:22  <Tops> :P
19:54:34  <TrueBrain> Antolin?
19:54:38  <Anti> yussir
19:54:46  <TrueBrain> I tihnk Tops is wrong
19:55:00  <Sacro> iirc some words can be shortened
19:55:00  <TrueBrain> but as he being from Tilburg, I didn't expect anything else from him
19:55:05  <Anti> tops = my "little" brother
19:55:10  <Sacro> afaik there is a list of established tld's
19:55:14  <Sacro> erm
19:55:16  <Sacro> tla's
19:55:21  <TrueBrain> tla? :p
19:55:35  <Tops> Heynow.
19:55:48  <Anti> and he's not from tilburg.. he just lives there, hes from den bosch ^^
19:55:54  <TrueBrain> EVEN WORSE!
19:55:58  <Anti> lawl
19:55:59  <Tops> So is Anti.
19:56:00  <Tops> :P
19:56:04  <Anti> indeed
19:56:11  <Anti> where you from then?
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19:56:26  <TrueBrain> from a much better place :p
19:56:37  <Anti> muhahah
19:56:46  <Anti> now your making me curious :)
19:56:53  <Anti> you're
19:56:54  <Tops> Dare say France. >.>
19:57:09  <TrueBrain> euh .. I hate France
19:57:14  <TrueBrain> those idiots don't talk English
19:57:20  <Anti> haha indeed
19:57:20  <TrueBrain> well, except glx
19:57:21  <TrueBrain> but glx is nice :)
19:57:27  <Sacro> except he's french
19:57:30  <Anti> lawl
19:58:12  <Anti> i just realize its been like ages ago that i was in a chatbox :P
19:58:14  <andythenorth> gah, I have *again* forgotten how to apply an updated version of a previously applied patch :|
19:58:22  <andythenorth> anyone got a cluebat?
19:58:27  <Nickman87> how come the NeedResort function of GUIList, returns false after I have called ForceResort on it before?
19:58:27  <TrueBrain> you like it so far Anti? :p
19:58:36  <andythenorth> patch -p0 < rv_acceleration_v6_r17251.diff
19:58:37  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: chatlog?
19:58:42  <frosch123> andythenorth: svn revert -R
19:58:52  <frosch123> but make sure you do not revert, what you do not want
19:59:03  <TrueBrain> and update to r17251 .. unexpected! :p
19:59:05  <Anti> hehe i must say i was facinated by the discussion when i entered the room :P
19:59:09  <glx> TrueBrain: blame education system :)
19:59:14  <TrueBrain> glx: I do :)
19:59:34  <TrueBrain> Anti: well, we are general that offtopic, so ... ;)
19:59:42  <TrueBrain> Nickman87: I guess only Alberth can answer that .. he not here :)
19:59:44  <Tops> Isn't every chatbox?
20:00:00  <TrueBrain> I guess
20:00:08  <Nickman87> hmmm, he gone again... :D
20:00:09  <andythenorth> hmm it's that bloody dot character I always forget
20:00:33  <Anti> meh its just, normally i jump in the discussion right away but this time i just wanted to see where it went :P
20:00:41  <TrueBrain> well, to you :)
20:00:50  <Anti> lmao
20:01:14  <Anti> but..
20:01:17  <TrueBrain> as OwenS is hiding under a rock I guess :p
20:01:19  <Anti> where are you from? :P
20:01:35  <TrueBrain> from a country
20:01:39  <TrueBrain> a place, to be more exact
20:01:49  <Tops> A house even? :O
20:01:59  <OwenS> TrueBrain: Huh? It's hard for me to follow a chat I can't keep open :p
20:02:02  <TrueBrain> currently a flat, but close enough :)
20:02:08  <Anti> lol i just wanted to say if youre afraid of saying a country, giev me a continent ^^
20:02:10  <TrueBrain> OwenS: poor thing :p
20:02:10  <frosch123> Anti: he's a sysop, they are always from hell
20:02:25  <TrueBrain> frosch123: very true :)
20:02:26  <Anti> hahaha
20:02:29  <TrueBrain> I showed that clearly today :)
20:02:42  <OwenS> TrueBrain: It's a matter of only having one monitor (The TV :P) on the HTPC
20:02:42  <TrueBrain> Anti: all I say is: 55
20:02:52  <Anti> hmm kkj
20:02:52  <TrueBrain> OwenS: hehehehehehehehehe :)
20:03:41  <Anti> Brazilië 55? :P
20:03:54  <TrueBrain> COLD!
20:04:10  <Anti> kj
20:04:12  <Tops> hmm.
20:04:32  <Anti> lol @ letting me think on my free night btw :P
20:05:12  <TrueBrain> hmm
20:05:14  <TrueBrain> google was lying
20:05:16  <TrueBrain> big time
20:05:20  <Tops> Guess he wasn't talking about country codes huh?
20:05:25  <OwenS> TrueBrain: Because I don't have a wireless keyboard yet I'm also far far too close to the screen
20:05:28  <TrueBrain> 51 is more like it :s
20:05:33  <TrueBrain> OwenS: auch
20:05:39  <TrueBrain> I havent had a wired keyboard in ... 8 years? :s
20:05:41  <Tops> Peru?
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20:05:51  <TrueBrain> COLD!!
20:05:58  <Tops> x.x
20:06:14  <Eddi|zuHause> i keep a wired keyboard because the wireless keyboard sometimes does not get initialized during boot
20:06:21  <Tops> So if I actually get on the right continent, will you say warmer? :P
20:06:43  <TrueBrain> let me say I had to lookup where Peru was :p
20:06:51  <glx> really?
20:07:00  <TrueBrain> no, not really :p
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20:07:26  <Tops> I'd say you're either European or from the American continents, considering the time
20:07:31  <glx> you looked like an american ;)
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20:07:37  <frosch123> yeah, everyone knows peru from "risk"
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20:07:52  <Anti> ok
20:07:56  <Anti> wrong button :P
20:08:06  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly certain i could point in the general direction of every country that is not an island
20:08:35  <Anti> hmm im not that good in geography
20:08:41  <glx> and there is water on the border :)
20:08:42  <Anti> care, we got maps :)
20:09:18  <daChaac> TrueBrain, Netherlands ?
20:09:29  <TrueBrain> warm :p
20:09:32  <Tops> Belgie
20:09:36  <Tops> das +32 :P
20:09:49  <Anti> indeed
20:09:56  <Tops> How the heck was 51 a hint? :P
20:10:04  <Anti> maybe a city code
20:10:07  <Anti> in belgium
20:10:09  <TrueBrain> 51.8 or 52.1
20:10:13  <Eddi|zuHause> 51 the longitude?
20:10:14  <Tops> Longtitude
20:10:18  <TrueBrain> depends on certain factors :)
20:10:18  <Anti> lol
20:10:25  <daChaac> Leiden University I suppose ?
20:10:29  <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: home or work? ;)
20:10:35  <TrueBrain> yup :) Finally someone traced my IP :p
20:10:44  <daChaac> easy
20:10:47  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: nah, parents or own home :)
20:10:50  <Tops> *cant get the whois to work*
20:11:08  * TrueBrain concratz daChaac with a job well done :) Youa re more clever then those dutchies here ...
20:11:09  <Tops> Been ages since I mirced. Anti told me there was something fun going on on here.
20:11:13  <glx> TrueBrain: next time use your IPv6 ;)
20:11:19  <TrueBrain> as I said: Tilburg sucks :p Anything on that longitude does :p
20:11:24  <TrueBrain> glx: ghehehehe :)
20:11:26  <Anti> lol
20:11:34  <TrueBrain> above 51.6 starts the fun
20:11:40  <TrueBrain> below is just ... well .. lets not talk about it
20:11:47  <Tops> You got it mixed up :P
20:11:48  <TrueBrain> I don't consider it The Netherlands :p
20:11:56  <Anti> rofl north of the netherlands sux ass
20:11:59  <TrueBrain> we have The Randstad, and everything else
20:12:08  <Anti> studying in nijmegen now
20:12:08  <Tops> I dont consider vlaanderen belgium :P
20:12:20  <TrueBrain> what do you study?
20:12:20  <Anti> luv belgium 2 though
20:12:29  <Anti> not as much as brabant
20:12:47  <Anti> but way better than the center or even the far north of the netherlands
20:12:55  <Anti> computer science
20:13:06  <Tops> compjootah? wasdat?
20:13:15  <TrueBrain> pff .. you should do that in Leiden .. not in Nijmegen ... sigh ...
20:13:24  <Anti> lol
20:13:32  <TrueBrain> k, enough bashing :)
20:13:33  <Anti> must say i agree nijmegen sux
20:13:46  <Anti> but didnt know that there is a CS in leiden?
20:14:00  <Anti> when i started all i found is utrecht and nijmegen
20:14:11  <Anti> with a normal informatica study
20:14:12  <Eddi|zuHause>  <TrueBrain> above 51.6 starts the fun <- damn, i'm on 51.5 :(
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20:14:18  <Anti> not technical
20:14:54  <Tops> Think I'ma go out anyway. Wont be able to sleep if I dont at least get active sum :P
20:15:02  <Anti> lol
20:15:07  <TrueBrain> sum?
20:15:16  <TrueBrain> I first read cum, but I was hoping that wasn't it :S
20:15:33  <Anti> haha was the first thing that came 2 my mind 2 :P
20:15:33  <Tops> *pats* Poor bunny.
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20:16:04  <Eddi|zuHause> you don't look like you have two minds
20:16:13  <Anti> laaame
20:16:18  <Anti> lol
20:16:33  <Anti> to my mind too
20:16:38  <Anti> there i said it :P
20:16:56  <Eddi|zuHause> good
20:17:11  <Eddi|zuHause> because you're going down a dangerous path
20:17:27  <Tops> Forgetting how to speak English? :P
20:17:27  <Anti> hmmm sounds creepy
20:17:36  <TrueBrain> you?
20:17:41  <Anti> not really forgetting
20:17:45  <Anti> just abbreviating
20:18:10  <Anti> but apparently these guys have some trauma about it :P
20:18:53  <TrueBrain> I should start doing something useful :p
20:19:01  <Anti> ahh well its good for me to type some proper english :P
20:19:04  <Anti> like what? :P
20:19:24  <OwenS> I'd like to be doing something other than babysitting pkgtool...
20:19:28  <Tops> it's? :P ;)
20:20:13  <Anti> you cant think of something or youre afraid to share? ^^
20:20:13  <TrueBrain> like ... playing a game
20:20:15  <TrueBrain> Sector 8 ..
20:20:17  <TrueBrain> CoD4 ..
20:20:19  <TrueBrain> not sure yet
20:20:32  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17267 /trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp: -Change [FS#3139]: mention the MD5 checksum of the original NewGRF in the "saveload failed horribly"-error message and make it more clear that the filename is of the current NewGRF
20:20:54  <Anti> tops
20:21:08  <Tops> Yessss?
20:21:11  <Anti> that american stand up comedian
20:21:22  <Anti> that was good to watch for one time
20:21:24  <Anti> wtf was his name
20:21:33  <Tops> The guy with all the voices?
20:21:39  <Anti> y
20:22:07  <Tops> Fernandez? I'd have to go look it up..I remember the show's name. Link ya soon.
20:22:36  <Anti> hmm
20:22:42  <Tops> Pablo Francisco
20:22:46  <Anti> thats him
20:23:01  <Anti> he was just on comedy central but i couldnt remember his name
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20:23:24  <Anti> ty :)
20:23:29  <TrueBrain> yw
20:23:49  <Anti> you're joining me on the dangerous path? :P
20:24:03  <frosch123> [22:15] <Eddi|zuHause>  <TrueBrain> above 51.6 starts the fun <- damn, i'm on 51.5 :( <- don't mind, only those at about 50 are sane, ask smatz
20:24:41  <Eddi|zuHause> oh, then i'm lucky, i suppose :p
20:25:57  <Tops> I'm insane and proud.
20:26:05  <frosch123> you are at 45 ?
20:26:17  <Tops> the representation of sanity in today's world is laughable :P
20:26:19  <TrueBrain> no, he is around 51.something :p
20:26:28  <Anti> ./agree
20:26:44  <TrueBrain> at least I have my BAZ entry thingy :)
20:26:54  <Anti> if we start that discussion ill be here for a while
20:27:07  <frosch123> hmm, baz... does not sound like bzr
20:27:13  <Anti> even longer since i have to type everything out ;)
20:27:20  <TrueBrain> BAZ! A big boulder event on the beach here
20:27:20  <Tops> :D
20:27:35  <Tops> Something like the scotts and their tree-throwing? :P
20:28:00  <TrueBrain> 30 LDAP users, still stable
20:28:31  <OwenS> 30 is, to be honest, a bit lower than LDAP was designed for :p
20:28:42  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17268 /trunk/src/ (station_cmd.cpp town_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#3143]: Station/Town window titles weren't updated when they got renamed
20:29:08  <TrueBrain> OwenS: yup, but the last 15 could signup without a single glitch
20:29:11  <TrueBrain> hence the 'stable' ;)
20:29:52  <Tops> Nothing is foolproof :P the fools are too...foolish for that.
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20:30:09  <TrueBrain> we have Ammler, yes :)
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20:30:40  * TrueBrain hugs Ammler :)
20:30:48  <TrueBrain> <- now that I call pretty!
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20:30:57  <Ammler> he, that doesn't hurt :-)
20:31:07  <TrueBrain> Ammler: that scares me :s
20:31:46  <planetmaker> TrueBrain: I've seen that algorithm elsewhere. With exactly the same map
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20:31:58  <TrueBrain> planetmaker: still, it is pretty!! :)
20:32:03  <planetmaker> :-)
20:32:06  <planetmaker> yes it is
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20:34:07  <Tops> I have descided. staying here is going to end up with me melting into a puddle of human DNA, so I'm going to the Extase
20:34:43  <TrueBrain> enjoy
20:34:58  <Tops> Thanks, don't tease my older brother now ;) ;)
20:35:05  <TrueBrain> I can't promise that
20:35:22  <Anti> hf m8
20:35:34  <Tops> u2 br0
20:35:41  <Anti> will be fine
20:35:43  <Anti> cya around
20:35:44  * Tops winks at Brain
20:35:52  <TrueBrain> I am trying to find a rope ...
20:35:56  <Tops> Later everyone =D
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20:36:16  <TrueBrain> k, Section 8 it is :)
20:36:31  <Anti> haha hf
20:36:37  <Anti> have fun
20:36:41  <Anti> sorry ;)
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20:39:30  <glx> [22:30:57] <TrueBrain> <- now that I call pretty! <-- now use it to generate maps with rivers ;)
20:40:49  <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is this algorithm kinda works well for sim-city style "local" maps, but not really for openttd-style "global" maps
20:42:18  <Eddi|zuHause> (i'm fairly certain sim city 2000 generated its maps this way)
20:43:12  <OwenS> I suppose it would work kinda well up to SC4 style region maps, but no more
20:43:26  <Noldo> Eddi|zuHause: and 3k too
20:43:45  <Eddi|zuHause> i only had a demo of 3k
20:43:54  <Eddi|zuHause> so i did not play it extensively
20:44:11  <Noldo> the map type selection is nicely done in 3k
20:44:12  <OwenS> SC4 was great... Sim City Societies... wtf were you thinking EA?!
20:44:52  <Nickman87> yeah, Societies wasnt Sim City anymore...
20:45:10  <Nickman87> did'nt like it at all
20:45:35  <Eddi|zuHause> sc4 is awesome, but i never tried societies
20:46:09  <Eddi|zuHause> there's this hype around cities xl, but i don't really trust hypes
20:46:16  <OwenS> Monte Cristo's Cities XL looks like it will be SC4's true successor from what I've seen
20:46:16  <OwenS> Heh
20:47:03  <Nickman87> Looking forward to Cities XL to
20:47:08  <Nickman87> MMO city builder! :D
20:47:38  <OwenS> I'm looking forward to Cities XL under one condition: It works under Linux. I don't care if I have to use WINE, but it must work under Linux :p
20:48:17  <Eddi|zuHause> OwenS: they probably work some weird copy protection algorithm into it, to make certain that is not possible
20:48:42  <Eddi|zuHause> (wtf is the point of copy protection for an online game?
20:48:43  <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: WINE runs 99% of Windows copy protection drivers. Yes, thats right, WINE manages to run the drivers...
20:49:46  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i'm just too used to having descriptions say "... and apply crack", that i do not really check this anymore
20:50:10  <OwenS> I think about 3 of my WINE games have cracks installed. Most tend to be older ones
20:50:25  <OwenS> And one of them it's due to a CD shortage
20:50:28  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i could not get Die Gilde V2.06 to run, because it does not have a crack
20:51:25  <Eddi|zuHause> i should probably just download the gold version, because that is said to have no copy protection
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21:02:29  <williham> Eddi|zuHause: A technique liek that one could be used in cells, tho'
21:03:10  <williham> it'd work well for a 128? or 64? cell; and on larger maps different cells could be combined with techs to make a piecemeal map
21:04:01  <Ammler> what is the reason to run windows game on linux?
21:04:20  <Ammler> missing windows license?
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21:04:51  <Chruker> no knowledge that a linux version exist?
21:04:53  <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: irrational fear of reboots?
21:05:01  <Ammler> :-)
21:05:09  <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: and a processor that does not support virtualisation?
21:05:18  <Ammler> I would fear the update run on my pc.
21:05:23  <Terkhen> having tried vista
21:05:30  <OwenS> I dislike rebooting, don't have a Windows license, and virtualization would result in crap performance
21:06:39  <Ammler> the games which don't run well with wine, do need full attention anyway, so you can reboot and run just that game :-)
21:07:17  <Ammler> you don't have time anymore to chat on irc and such.
21:07:40  <OwenS> Ammler: I HATE rebooting. Drives me mad :p
21:07:48  <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: but it interrupts the irc log
21:07:49  <OwenS> And theres a little button labeled pause
21:07:57  <Eddi|zuHause> and all other processes that run in the background
21:08:08  <OwenS> And "IRC runs on monitor number two"
21:08:42  <Ammler> my monitor number 2 has its own pc.
21:09:13  <OwenS> Dual monitor configs rock :p
21:09:24  <OwenS> Not being able to move stuff between them is just irritating
21:09:40  <williham> heh
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21:09:47  <Ammler> I never really got a well working dual screen with linux
21:09:55  <Ammler> like I had on windows time.
21:10:07  <[wito]> I have two computers with one monitor between them. ;)
21:10:54  <Ammler> might be worth a try with KDE4
21:10:58  <OwenS> Ammler: On an nVIDIA card I just do "nvidia-xconfig --enable-twinview"
21:11:27  <Ammler> he, indeed, never tried since I have nvidia.
21:11:52  <OwenS> Then I add TwinViewOrientation "LeftOf" to my XConfig because it always gets my monitors backwards :P
21:14:01  <Eddi|zuHause> solution: switch the wires.
21:14:21  <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: One is VGA one is DVI.
21:14:32  <Eddi|zuHause> the DVI is typically first
21:14:40  <Eddi|zuHause> at least on my ATI
21:14:48  <OwenS> nVIDIAs seem to detect VGAs first
21:15:12  <Eddi|zuHause> see, ATI > nVIDIA ;)
21:15:47  <OwenS> I can think of bigger issues than monitor detection order
21:16:55  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know what all the fuzz is about anyway
21:17:08  <Eddi|zuHause> i probably don't have a new enough card for the real trouble
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21:29:57  <OwenS> ffs who's idea was that?
21:30:40  <OwenS> typing "exit" in a tab of gnome-terminal closes the all tabs...
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21:33:52  <Chruker> 'close' ?
21:34:27  <OwenS> gnome-terminal itself exits
21:34:37  <OwenS> I lost a 4 freaking line long command
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21:36:16  <OwenS> (And just discovered I accidentally ended up with ~/.bash_history root owned
21:37:47  <Eddi|zuHause> anyone who can write a four line command, can do that a second time as well
21:37:59  <Eddi|zuHause> and it is "whose idea"
21:38:22  <Eddi|zuHause> (related to german "wessen")
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21:46:05  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
21:47:18  <OwenS> Eddi|zuHause: I wrote said command 6 hours ago...
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22:14:02  <TrueBrain> nightynight all
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