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But every mac system supported should have that. 09:19:13 <Rubidium> also dedicated servers? 09:19:22 <Rubidium> AFAIK those aren't compiled with cocoa 09:19:36 <planetmaker> Honestly, I have no idea. 09:20:00 <planetmaker> But it should be a pretty fail-save way to get the version. 09:20:10 <planetmaker> with that we then have three options :-) 09:20:30 <Rubidium> but why 10.4.9 for tiger and 10.5 for leopard? 09:20:35 <Rubidium> why not 10.5.0 or so? 09:20:49 <Rubidium> and how does it play with 10.4.11? 09:21:15 <planetmaker> I haven't tested extensively, but it reported the correct one on my machine. It's an XML file basically which is read. But my impress wa 09:21:27 <planetmaker> s that it would work correctly then on others, too 09:22:21 <planetmaker> /System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist <-- one could then try to read that directly, if desired. 09:22:30 <TrueBrain> 10.5.6 reports correctly 09:22:33 <planetmaker> but that'd be a hack. 09:22:47 <TrueBrain> 10.6.0 not so much, that reports 10.6 09:22:53 <planetmaker> he 09:23:01 <TrueBrain> but that might be because of the .0 :p 09:23:05 <TrueBrain> haven't installed 10.6.1 yet 09:23:13 <Rubidium> hmm, yet... 1) it is no API, so it can only fail at run time; 2) where is it documented? If it ain't documented it something unofficial, which might be troublesome for further versions 09:23:37 <planetmaker> it's documented. somewhere in the cocoa stuff 09:23:51 <Rubidium> planetmaker: then show me that documentation 09:25:01 <planetmaker> http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/sw_vers.1.html 09:25:03 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:25:14 <planetmaker> eh... 09:29:44 <Rubidium> oh lovely... people are telling how to manually modify that file 09:30:11 <planetmaker> :-D 09:36:44 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:36:58 <Rubidium> anyhow, I'll probably end up writing a generic unix crash handler/logger and whoever becomes the OSX maintainer can then override that 09:37:02 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 09:37:25 <Rubidium> and he (or she?) can then be blamed for all failures related with it :) 09:37:37 <Rubidium> anyhow, dedicated servers don't do cocoa 09:38:49 <TrueBrain> use libxml2 to read the file :) 09:39:20 <Rubidium> nah, just use readline to ask for the version 09:39:34 <TrueBrain> just use the patch planetmaker had, sounds sufficient enough to me 09:41:18 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B391E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:43:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0FCA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:43:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:52:08 *** MyCatVer1s [~mycatverb@lurkingfox.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:55:06 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 09:56:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57:01 <TrueBrain> lol, VMWare is so broken in SCSI passthrough ...... 09:57:15 <TrueBrain> my external HD just self-powered-down, while vmware is trying to access the drive or what ever 10:01:36 *** MyCatVerbs [~mycatverb@lurkingfox.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:01:42 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 10:03:42 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DECB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:09:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0FCA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:21:54 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0D05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:21:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:30:26 <TrueBrain> vmware-workstation at least does boot from the external 10:34:36 <TrueBrain> but something now damaged my installs ... grr :p 10:34:58 <TrueBrain> plists are damaged :'( 10:37:47 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 10:37:59 <TrueBrain> having no idea which plist, will not help :p 10:44:50 <TrueBrain> and not having VT-x is NOT HELPING :p 10:44:52 <orudge> hmm, tt-forums has only used 28GB of IPv6 bandwidth since we started IPv6 on the forums 10:44:56 <orudge> compared to 939GB of IPv4 bandwidth 10:45:28 <Noldo> interesting 10:46:25 <TrueBrain> hmm .. I have nothing installed which tells me what is IPv4 and IPv6 :p 10:46:43 <TrueBrain> I can only see that yesterday 4.2% of the IPs are IPv6 which hit the http 10:46:52 <TrueBrain> and that it consumes 2% of the bandwidth (of http) 10:47:00 *** kingpin [~kingpin@86.92.98.131] has joined #openttd 10:47:25 <TrueBrain> poor results, orudge :( 10:47:35 <orudge> mmh 10:48:30 <kingpin> hello is there any one that can help me i whant to host a game on a sever where there is no sound drive the new versien off ttd needs the sound drive why??? 10:48:47 <kingpin> version 10:48:58 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:49:07 <TrueBrain> and that is the word you correct, lol :) 10:49:38 <kingpin> aha 10:53:16 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:27 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.18.90] has joined #openttd 10:57:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-227-42.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 10:58:14 *** kingpin [~kingpin@86.92.98.131] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 11:15:00 <planetmaker> Rubidium, what is then wrong with the version detection I gave you initially on FS? It seems established and it works fine... 11:15:36 <planetmaker> but it's good to know that cocoa cannot be used on servers. Thanks for that :-) 11:18:24 <Ammler> he, again fun to read some lines back here... 11:20:13 <planetmaker> but I'll try the pure gestalt way next week (hopefully) 11:24:23 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 11:35:26 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:42 <Rubidium> planetmaker: for one it looked overly complex, secondly why a different way for < 10.3 (according to the API it's also supported in 10.3). Finally we don't support < 10.3.9; it likely won't even start due to dynamic link errors (so the crash handler is never ran) 11:37:27 <planetmaker> uhm... it treats versions < 10.4 differently. 11:37:42 <planetmaker> and 10.3 is still supported 11:38:10 <Rubidium> yeah, the first 10.3 should've been 10.4 11:38:15 <planetmaker> and 10.4+ needs different treatment due to two-digit numbers 11:39:10 <Rubidium> so you implement it in two ways, where the first way only works for 10.3 and the second way works for all versions (including 10.3) 11:39:22 <Rubidium> sounds like making it more complex than needed 11:39:22 <planetmaker> eh? 11:40:13 <planetmaker> it's exactly one if case: i(condensed value) < 10.4 ? first way : way for everything 10.4+ 11:41:26 <planetmaker> if (systemVersion < 0x1040) { (10.3.x way } else { (10.4+ way) } 11:41:38 <planetmaker> in GetMacOSVersion 11:41:49 <Rubidium> now *imagine* the 10.4+ way is actually the 10.3+ way 11:42:22 <planetmaker> you say, the 10.4+ way should work for 10.3, too? 11:42:33 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:74d9:1f01:989:560c] has joined #openttd 11:42:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:42:37 <Rubidium> well, the API specs seem to say that 11:42:46 <planetmaker> If so, then the if can surely be removed. 11:42:58 <Rubidium> gestaltSystemVersionMinor 11:42:58 <Rubidium> The minor system version number. For example, in 10.4.12, this would be the decimal value 4. 11:43:01 <Rubidium> Available in Mac OS X v10.3 and later. 11:44:54 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 11:45:20 <planetmaker> Well. Then it can be simplified. 11:46:26 <planetmaker> But the difference is the treatment of GetMacOSVersionBugfix() iirc 11:46:57 <welshdragon> but Mac's version numbering isn't 10.5.whatever 11:47:02 <planetmaker> If you say, that all three, GetMacOSVersion<Major|Minor|Bugfix>() work for 10.3 - fine. Then everything's simple 11:47:05 <welshdragon> it's a 4 digit number 11:47:14 <planetmaker> welshdragon, ? 11:47:17 <Rubidium> I am just quoting the API 11:47:25 <Rubidium> I have no way to test it though 11:47:51 <Rubidium> but that's a bit the problem with OSX, getting patches/changes tested on all it's incompatible variants 11:47:59 <planetmaker> As I've no way to test it, I STFW and found various places which did it the way I implemented it the diff. 11:48:21 <welshdragon> planetmaker: the version number of OSX is 10.5.4/5/6. but there are build numbers also 11:48:48 <glx> I can test on 10.3.9 and 10.4.8 11:50:48 <planetmaker> 10.3.9 would be interesting to know what it does with the 10.4+ way 11:51:53 <Rubidium> for what it's worth: I dislike code that does stuff because "that's how I found it on the internet"; after all, the internet also says that (for some problems) you should change the version in that plist file, while other pages talk about irrepairably trashing your system when you do that (need to reinstall) 11:53:59 <Rubidium> and if code does strange/odd things because it doesn't conform to the specs it needs some explanation about that 11:54:08 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:74d9:1f01:989:560c] has joined #openttd 11:54:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 11:54:18 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:74d9:1f01:989:560c] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:55:52 *** _glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:74d9:1f01:989:560c] has joined #openttd 11:56:35 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:74d9:1f01:989:560c] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:55 *** _glx is now known as glx 11:57:24 <planetmaker> I know that "others do it, too" is no good argument. 12:00:21 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/216728 <--- glx - I haven't tested it here (as I don't have my laptop available), but that might actually compile and tell what the version detection says on 10.3 12:00:31 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 12:00:52 <glx> so nice, snow leopard installs an insecure flash player (and overwrites the secure one if it's present without notice) 12:01:07 <planetmaker> :-) yup, it does. 12:01:11 <planetmaker> 17 revisions older 12:01:41 <glx> 10.6.1 will come quickly I guess 12:01:59 <planetmaker> hehe 12:02:53 <glx> or at least it could be available via the update system 12:04:10 <glx> I can't compile on 10.3.9 :) 12:04:42 <glx> 10.3.9 SDK is not available on 10.3.9 12:04:43 <planetmaker> http://developer.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Carbon/Reference/Gestalt_Manager/Reference/reference.html#//apple_ref/c/econst/gestaltSystemVersionBugFix <-- Rubidium: the docs are inconsistent 12:04:48 <De_Ghosty> MAC IS FAIL :o 12:04:50 <glx> yeah I know it's silly 12:05:10 <planetmaker> gestaltSystemVersion (...) In Mac OS X v10.4 and later, a better way to get system version information is to use the selectors gestaltSystemVersionMajor, gestaltSystemVersionMinor, and gestaltSystemVersionBugFix 12:05:27 <planetmaker> but then, yes, they are declared to be available since 10.3 12:05:45 <glx> they are available in 10.3 IIRC 12:06:00 <planetmaker> then I should simplify the patch. In the faith that it works :-P 12:06:35 <glx> anyway openttd is not compilable on 10.3.9 12:06:52 <planetmaker> which 10.3.x is it then compatible with? 12:07:00 <planetmaker> oh. compilable ;-) 12:07:52 <glx> and I don't want to imagine how much time it would need to compile if it was possible 12:08:05 <glx> (pearpc is not the fastest thing) 12:08:20 <planetmaker> :-) 12:08:25 <planetmaker> VMs never are 12:08:27 <glx> 10.4.8 in vmware already needs 45min for a non universal build 12:09:17 <planetmaker> my WinXP on a VM is also way more sluggish (e.g. with grfcodec / renum) than native mac renum / grfcodec 12:09:33 <planetmaker> or the make scripts for the newgrfs. 12:09:42 <glx> use native then :) 12:09:47 <planetmaker> I do. :-) 12:10:07 <planetmaker> but it wasn't always available :-P 12:15:39 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:16:05 <planetmaker> glx, is your PearPC emulating intel or ppc? 12:16:23 <glx> analyse it's name :) 12:16:38 <glx> and tell me if 10.3 was available for intel :) 12:18:33 <planetmaker> :-) right. stupid question. 12:22:40 <Rubidium> give me a patch and I can cross compile it if necessary 12:23:22 <welshdragon> can i change the number of allowed companies in multiplayer? 12:24:06 <planetmaker> Rubidium, http://paste.openttd.org/216728 should be a working small test programme 12:24:31 <planetmaker> for testing that might make more sense as it doesn't mean to first crash OpenTTD ;-) 12:25:17 <Rubidium> planetmaker: that doesn't compile at all 12:25:22 <glx> paste is not good for patches 12:25:32 <Rubidium> test.cpp:10: error: conflicting declaration 'int version_bugfix' 12:25:32 <Rubidium> test.cpp:9: error: 'version_bugfix' has a previous declaration as 'SInt32 version_bugfix' 12:25:55 <glx> lol 12:26:01 <glx> declared twice 12:26:14 <planetmaker> yeah. The 2nd one should read disp_ instead of _version 12:26:28 <planetmaker> But so the output has to be adjusted to disp_ istead of _version 12:27:03 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/216729 12:27:43 <glx> hmm no missing ifs? 12:28:18 <glx> please compile before posting ;) 12:28:44 <planetmaker> without mac at hand 12:28:59 <planetmaker> it's difficult. Or I'd have done it. For sure. 12:29:05 <glx> compile in your head at least :) 12:29:16 <planetmaker> I know that chances are 90% that I screw up w/o test :-) 12:29:18 <Rubidium> I've got locally something that compiles now 12:30:44 <Rubidium> bah... Gestalt needs cocoa 12:31:17 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/test <- ppc binary 12:31:30 <glx> ok starting ppc 12:31:39 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/test.cpp <- the actual code 12:32:14 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/test-x86 < x86 binary 12:33:29 <glx> I won't start 2 VMs at the same time :) 12:36:18 <TrueBrain> lol 12:36:19 <TrueBrain> pussy 12:36:27 <planetmaker> miaoo 12:36:39 <TrueBrain> hihi 12:36:54 <Rubidium> ah well, I don't install vmware (I really hate it) 12:37:01 <TrueBrain> strange .. when I boot from my real system, plist files are in good order, when I boot via vmware, it complains ... :( 12:39:40 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-227-42.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:39:41 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@77.51.93.3] has joined #openttd 12:39:47 <glx> Version: 10.3.9 [1039] 12:40:32 <planetmaker> nice. 12:40:33 <De_Ghosty> http://www.wimp.com/innovativecommercial/ 12:41:13 <planetmaker> then that should be settled. 12:41:39 <glx> now testing on 10.4.8 intel 12:42:29 <planetmaker> that will work 12:42:42 <planetmaker> but of course one never knows ;-) 12:45:06 <Rubidium> anyhow, I did also prove that it doesn't work without cocoa 12:45:25 * Rubidium is gone for a while now 12:45:25 <planetmaker> yes. 12:46:03 <planetmaker> but otoh then it has been used before, too. 12:46:34 <planetmaker> in exactly the same place 12:49:12 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: [24/8][22:50:18] <@DaZeD> when they invent that device to bitchslap peeps over TCP/IP... I'm SO pre-ordering] 12:49:39 <glx> strange, 10.3.9 is more reactive than 10.4.8 12:53:07 <glx> works on 10.4.8 too 12:53:35 <glx> but someone should test the result on 10.4.11 13:05:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-227-42.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:06:57 <planetmaker> well. The code worked inside OpenTTD on my machine 13:07:07 <planetmaker> that's the code of the patch I supplied 13:08:22 <planetmaker> and my machine has 10.4.11 :-) 13:08:35 <planetmaker> basically that's how it all started :-P 13:09:48 <TrueBrain> what does the hex value give? 13:09:51 <TrueBrain> 104B? 13:10:27 <TrueBrain> as I would have expected A39 for 10.3.9 in the first place :p 13:11:19 <planetmaker> I don't remember. 13:11:35 <TrueBrain> let me know tonight or something :) I am curious about those things :) 13:13:55 <planetmaker> "The problem with gestaltSystemVersion is that it's limited in the range of versions it can support. For example, 10.4.11 is actually reported as 0x1049" 13:14:00 <planetmaker> http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?DeterminingOSVersion 13:14:04 <TrueBrain> hehe 13:14:06 <TrueBrain> nasty :) 13:14:17 <planetmaker> that's actually the current situation. 13:14:50 <SmatZ> looks like MS designed this part of OSX 13:15:00 * TrueBrain gniffels at SmatZ 13:15:57 * SmatZ doesn't know what TrueBrain does :( 13:16:14 <TrueBrain> maybe that is for the better 13:16:40 <planetmaker> :-D 13:16:58 <planetmaker> he had to ... because he knew too much? ;-) 13:17:10 <planetmaker> (insert word of choice) ^ 13:17:17 <TrueBrain> piss? 13:17:19 <TrueBrain> jump? 13:17:22 <TrueBrain> sing? 13:17:31 <planetmaker> don't be cruel :-P 13:17:39 <TrueBrain> (and yes, that were the first 3 words that popped in my mind :p) 13:26:41 *** LivingDeadBeat [~LivingDea@ip4da75146.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 13:27:14 <LivingDeadBeat> hey? 13:28:45 <LivingDeadBeat> is it possible to connect through sockets to an OpenTTD Server and run rcon commands on it? 13:29:10 <TrueBrain> only if that application that connects is an OpenTTD client 13:29:23 <glx> or acts like a client 13:29:35 <glx> anyway it will use a client slot 13:29:57 <LivingDeadBeat> Yeah, i've tried a few things, when i connect to my server, it says a new client has been connected, and disconnects me within a few seconds.. 13:30:20 <glx> means you didn't act like a client :) 13:30:49 <LivingDeadBeat> yeah, but i've no idea how to act like a client.. also cant find any documenation on the internet =( 13:31:03 <TrueBrain> that is mostly as you are not supposed to ;) 13:31:21 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DECB3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Joyful it seems - but then suddenly - by one false move it's blown away] 13:31:56 <glx> some info is on the wiki though 13:32:06 <glx> (maybe outdated) 13:32:15 <TrueBrain> -maybe :p 13:32:56 <glx> but a good base to know what to look for in the source 13:32:57 <TrueBrain> even at time of the first version, the documentation of the network protocl was outdated on the wiki :) Incode comments were plenty ;) 13:33:31 <LivingDeadBeat> hmmm.. 13:34:10 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't ottdlib do something like this? 13:34:23 <Eddi|zuHause> or one of the python thingies was at least trying to 13:34:57 <glx> ottdlib only retriev server info IIRC 13:41:03 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:41:55 <TrueBrain> #22 0x00000000 in ?? () <- can never be a good thing ... 13:42:08 <TrueBrain> I LOVE stack corruption, and I am SO GOOD in causing them :) 13:44:30 <Belugas> hello 13:44:42 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 13:45:01 * Belugas hugs TrueBrain to the point of popping eyes 13:45:06 <TrueBrain> ieuw 13:46:05 <Belugas> :) 13:49:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and i love amarok crashing 13:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and they still have not managed a system where you can save the settings without quitting 13:49:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i _never ever_ quit amarok regularly 13:50:05 * Prof_Frink corrupts TrueBrain's stack 13:50:16 <Eddi|zuHause> # fuck you 13:50:16 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@77.51.93.3] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 13:50:20 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: are you willing to pay that price? 13:50:20 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-98-249-11-38.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:50:30 <Eddi|zuHause> # fuck you very very much 13:51:00 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@77.51.93.3] has joined #openttd 13:51:02 <Prof_Frink> Depends. Is it more or less than £2.60? 13:51:27 *** Prof_Frink was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [anti-virus program active .. eleminating stack corrupting application .. done] 13:51:54 <Eddi|zuHause> # fuck you, fuck you, fuck you 13:52:01 <Eddi|zuHause> # fuck yooooooouuuuuuuu 13:52:39 *** Tefad [~tefad@c-98-249-11-38.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:53:03 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: please be polite 13:53:10 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: find a girl :P 13:53:11 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, that's the song ;) 13:53:28 <welshdragon> or a guy 13:53:46 <welshdragon> (depends if you swing that way or not xD ) 13:53:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 13:54:12 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad46218.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:54:29 <Prof_Frink> That's not very nice. 13:54:33 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 13:54:42 <TrueBrain> you corrupted my stack, I can't be held responsible for my actions! 13:54:52 <TrueBrain> I can't even remember what I did .. did I do something? :) 13:55:05 * TrueBrain hugs Prof_Frink 13:57:03 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:33 * Prof_Frink gives TrueBrain a cookie 13:57:50 * welshdragon gives Prof_Frink a badger 13:58:31 <TrueBrain> Thank you!!!! 13:58:46 * Prof_Frink looks around for a bottle opener 14:00:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: http://stuff.twoday.net/ 14:00:22 *** thisismynick [~chatzilla@77.51.93.3] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]] 14:02:38 <Prof_Frink> Genie arse. 14:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause> (heading says "1000 ways to open a beer") 14:04:39 <planetmaker> nice, the Wahl-o-mat is online now in Germany :-) 14:04:42 <Prof_Frink> I worked that out. 14:04:55 <planetmaker> and it confirmed what I suspected I should vote for anyway ;-) 14:06:05 <Eddi|zuHause> "none of the above" :p 14:06:26 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, it offers the choice of all parties which can be elected. 14:11:58 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:12:37 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 14:13:59 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 14:15:45 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 14:15:57 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:08 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:23:44 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:32:06 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: [24/8][22:50:18] <@DaZeD> when they invent that device to bitchslap peeps over TCP/IP... I'm SO pre-ordering] 14:46:07 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: 991 failed 14:47:27 <Eddi|zuHause> ? 14:47:40 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, beer opening method 14:47:47 <glx> yes 14:47:47 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:48:30 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe the beer was bad 14:48:57 <SmatZ> look like fakes 14:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think so 14:49:24 <SmatZ> using bread to open beer? like, wtf? 14:49:48 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:01 <Eddi|zuHause> the "bottle opener" one is great ;( 14:50:02 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 14:50:41 <Eddi|zuHause> 036 14:50:50 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227084005.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:53:01 <glx> yeah using the normal side was too easy 14:55:12 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 15:00:30 <Eddi|zuHause> (related: http://nothingforungood.com/2008/05/09/germans-have-macgyver-like-abilities-in-opening-beer-bottles/) 15:04:31 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:59 <glx> hehe I used the lighter method :) 15:12:46 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:15 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-27f8e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:20:12 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:21:41 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:22:21 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: [24/8][22:50:18] <@DaZeD> when they invent that device to bitchslap peeps over TCP/IP... I'm SO pre-ordering] 15:28:15 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:30:44 *** _ccfreak2k is now known as ccfreak2k 15:38:52 <planetmaker> hehe, those methods are nice :-) 15:39:00 <planetmaker> SmatZ: and certainly they aren't fake :-) 15:41:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:41:38 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: [24/8][22:50:18] <@DaZeD> when they invent that device to bitchslap peeps over TCP/IP... I'm SO pre-ordering] 15:44:26 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@7.200-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 15:46:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c343e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:12 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:48:55 *** Nickman_87 is now known as Nickman87 15:49:08 <Nickman87> hi Alberth, I updated my patch again ;) 15:49:29 <Alberth> I noticed, will have a look at it tonight. 15:50:19 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 15:53:30 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:57:04 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 16:01:26 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:03:46 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:04:36 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:19:52 <Nickman87> I noticed some of the GUI code changed :). Some more abstraction trough functions instead of just assigning variables directly 16:20:08 <Nickman87> more robust design this way ;) 16:20:27 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, so i have two identical engines, one engine derails always at the same place, and the other does not... 16:24:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0D05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B005F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:26:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:34:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.221.52] has joined #openttd 16:38:09 *** _Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has left #openttd [] 16:40:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.190.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:46 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:52:15 <Alberth> Nickman87: easier to make code consistent that way. 16:54:11 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:56 *** LadyHawk [LadyHawk@78-105-102-180.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: [24/8][22:50:18] <@DaZeD> when they invent that device to bitchslap peeps over TCP/IP... 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If 2 vehicles are going along as close as they can, and the first vehicle breaks down then the 2nd one doesnt overtake. However if the 2nd one enters slightly after the 1st one have broken down, it'll overtake. 18:08:47 <Chruker> They also wont overtake when there are more than 1 vehicle stopped. 18:10:36 <PeterT> glx: no i am not 18:11:07 <PeterT> if they dont work, why are they made? 18:11:40 <Terkhen> because there's a patch that allows you to use them 18:11:48 <PeterT> oh 18:12:02 <PeterT> so they dont work in Normal ottd 18:13:08 <Belugas> [14:08] <Chruker> They also wont overtake when there are more than 1 vehicle stopped. <-- that I would find normal... 18:13:21 <Belugas> i wold not overtake two stopped vehicles myself... 18:13:55 <Chruker> Me neighter on 2-way streets but on 1-way streets I would use all lanes 18:14:31 <Belugas> YOU CRAZY DRIVER! 18:15:09 <Doorslammer> Its OpenTTD, not Ridge Racer :O 18:15:15 <Yexo> Chruker: road vehicles won't overtake if there are more then 2 vehicles on a tile (the one that overtakes and the one that is overtaken) 18:16:15 <Yexo> and neither if there are any other vehicles on the next tile 18:17:40 <Terkhen> Alberth: how "final" is the found town window code? 18:18:18 <Belugas> heeek... i was on my way to pick another coffee mug jsut to realize mine was STILL 3/4 full... 18:18:29 <Belugas> would that mean i've got too much? 18:18:37 <Belugas> can such a thing ever exist??? 18:20:17 <Alberth> you must be doing too many other things than drinking coffee 18:21:07 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:21:07 *** Alberth is now known as Guest1358 18:21:07 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 18:21:10 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-49.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 18:21:22 <Belugas> judging by the numbers of windows on my screens, i guess you're right, mister Alberth 18:21:55 <Alberth> Terkhen: what 'found town' code are you refering to? 18:22:04 <PeterT> wow, DownThemAll! is great for grfs, 32bb graphics 18:22:19 <PeterT> its almost like they made it specifically for OpenTTD 18:22:37 <Terkhen> the window that lets you create new towns in the scenario editor 18:23:48 <Belugas> PeterT, for who else would you think they made it?? 18:24:22 <PeterT> Belugas: if you didn't catch the obvious, i was talking about DownThemAll! 18:24:24 <Alberth> Belugas: that would be a bad indication for my desktops at work, all my desktops are normally filled to the top with windows. 18:24:32 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:24:40 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25:11 <Belugas> oh.... sorry... 18:26:33 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28:22 *** Guest1358 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28:23 <Belugas> Alberth, i don't get it. 18:28:24 <PeterT> random crashes by windows explorer = NOT COOL! 18:28:27 <PeterT> grr microsoft 18:28:58 <Belugas> Alberth: i tough you were a teacher. so how is it relevant? 18:29:20 <Alberth> Belugas: nope, I program software usually 18:30:50 <Alberth> Belugas: some times I do have students doing an assignment or a course who I speak with every week and reading/correcting of their reports. 18:31:46 *** TinoDidriksen [~tino@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 18:31:46 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:59 <Belugas> ho... so that what got me confused... ok :) 18:32:09 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 18:32:45 <Alberth> Terkhen: I got a bit worried, the code doesn't look like it's mine, yet the revision that changed the header was done by me :p Otherwise, the widget array is gone, so if the window works, I don't think it will change much until we have converted all the other windows that still have widget arrays. 18:33:42 <Terkhen> okay, thank you :) 18:34:19 <Belugas> i think i know why Terkhen wonders ^_^ 18:34:25 <Belugas> go boy, go! 18:34:52 <Terkhen> :) 18:36:02 <Alberth> PeterT: just getting angry doesn't hurt MS, you must make a statement. Return the OS to its manufacturer, demand your money back, run one of the free alternatives. 18:41:16 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:53:47 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 19:54:24 <Trollkien> =quin 19:54:25 *** Trollkien [~foo@122.162.167.218] has quit [] 19:58:17 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B4658C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:48 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:02 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA2E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:02:49 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [] 20:03:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17413 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix: assert when trying to build an invalid industry type it did 20:05:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17414 /trunk/src/ (ai/api/ai_industrytype.cpp industry_cmd.cpp industry_gui.cpp): -Codechange: only send/read the number of bits that can be actually useful when building industries 20:14:19 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.228.174] has quit [Quit: An exit status of zero indicates success, and a nonzero value indicates failure.] 20:19:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it did what? 20:19:25 <Eddi|zuHause> or was that yoda speaking? :P 20:20:43 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.242.34] has joined #openttd 20:21:31 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:07 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:31:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17415 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: -Change: make sure aircraft don't move while turning as long as they are on the ground. This prevents a lot of unnecesary turns when leaving terminals 20:32:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17416 /trunk/src/ (os/windows/crashlog_win.cpp rev.cpp.in rev.h): -Codechange: move the build date/time 'determination' to rev.cpp as that's the file most likely to be regularly recompiled 20:32:50 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:36:18 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:13 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 20:40:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17417 /branches/0.7/src/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 20:40:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk: 20:40:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Incomplete check on validity of industry type when building industries (r17413) 20:40:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [Squirrel] Guard against Squirrel stack overflows (r17403) 20:40:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] During every save a few slots on the Squirrel stack were leaked (r17402) 20:40:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [NoAI] Several AITile::* functions did not check whether their parameters were valid (r17378) 20:46:08 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:55:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.80.175.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 21:07:45 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc4-papw2-0-0-cust778.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:28 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-86-26-243-126.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 21:12:46 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:10 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 21:14:28 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:24 *** Farden [jk3farden@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-247-196.adsl.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:08 <Belugas> bye bye 21:33:52 *** elmex_ [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has joined #openttd 21:34:53 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B005F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:03 *** elmex [elmex@ist.m8geil.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:03 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 21:38:38 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 21:41:13 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:43:53 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-e8f5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:47:34 <Terkhen> @ports 21:47:35 <DorpsGek> Terkhen: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication and UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound) 21:51:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2C4E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:51:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:56:13 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-86-26-243-126.brhm.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r17418 /trunk/src/signs_gui.cpp: -Codechange [FS#3144]: Signs list window uses nested widget tree (mostly by Nickman). 22:04:00 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.112.80.175.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:05:36 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:06:46 <Nickman87> yay, my patch is accepted :D 22:07:04 <Nickman87> Now I can try and update the sign filter patch ;) 22:07:09 <Alberth> I changed it a bit :) 22:07:20 * Zuu foresees an update to his search in sign list window patch 22:07:29 <Terkhen> great, I love that patch :P 22:07:29 <Nickman87> ah? 22:07:34 <TrueBrain> so it isn't Nickman87's patch after al :p 22:07:41 <Nickman87> atleast part of it :( 22:07:42 <Nickman87> :D 22:07:44 <TrueBrain> :p 22:07:56 <Zuu> Nickman87: If you want to give a go on it you are welcome :-) 22:08:23 <Zuu> If you even get things well for inclusion I'll give you a virtual hug :-p 22:08:42 <Nickman87> I'll try ;) 22:08:54 * Terkhen will give hugs too 22:08:59 <Nickman87> :D 22:09:06 <Nickman87> That patch has a high rating it seems :D 22:09:09 <Nickman87> many people like it :) 22:10:02 <Zuu> On my wishlist for that patch is a drop-down list to select "any company", "copany 1", "copany 2", ... 22:10:35 <Zuu> But I have not been coding on the patch for long time now. 22:10:48 <TrueBrain> lazy ass 22:10:52 <Zuu> :-p 22:10:59 <Zuu> NoAI keeps me bussy 22:11:39 <Zuu> Im the only one who has 3 AIs on BaNaNaS to maintain. But yea that is my fault. :-) 22:11:50 <Terkhen> that's a good idea 22:11:58 <TrueBrain> maybe you should consider making one good one :p 22:12:00 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 22:12:03 <TrueBrain> BOFH at work :) 22:12:11 <Alberth> good night all 22:12:14 <TrueBrain> night Alberth 22:12:16 <TrueBrain> sleep well 22:12:16 <Zuu> night Alberth 22:12:17 <Terkhen> good night Alberth 22:12:19 <TrueBrain> dream tight 22:12:23 <TrueBrain> don't let the bedbugs bite you 22:13:39 <Nickman87> night ;) 22:13:53 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Nah, my attempts to improve PAXLink gets to the point of building the management part up from scratch and almost resulting in another AI.. 22:14:10 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 22:14:23 <Nickman87> When I get the currect patch working OK on the current trunk, I'll try and look at that company filter to Zuu ;) 22:14:25 <Alberth> TrueBrain: I have asked the monster under my bed to take care of that problem :) 22:14:35 <TrueBrain> Alberth: good ;) 22:14:39 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:14:54 <Zuu> Nickman87: Nice 22:15:07 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B4658C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:18:38 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 22:20:48 *** moonmaker is now known as Ammler 22:21:31 <Eddi|zuHause> so... who was going to implement this again? http://www.spassfieber.de/bilder/entgleister-zug.html 22:22:22 <frosch123> you mean two tracks on one tile? 22:22:34 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 22:23:53 <Zuu> Now that was a new proposal :-) 22:24:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c343e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:08 <Eddi|zuHause> new? we discussed that already years ago 22:25:24 <Zuu> That would require significantly longer wagons or as frosh123 said two rails on the same tile. 22:25:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r17419 /trunk/src/saveload/oldloader_sl.cpp: 22:25:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r-old, r16378): the index of orders loaded from old savegames was 22:25:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: owerwritten with an unitialized value, causing asserts. The issue has present 22:25:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: for a long time but only since the new pool system did it trigger a (correct) 22:25:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: assert 22:26:39 <Zuu> good night guys 22:26:44 <TrueBrain> night Zuu 22:27:06 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-e8f5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:32:14 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34:24 *** LivingDeadBeat [~LivingDea@ip4da75146.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 22:35:35 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 22:35:51 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:38 <Terkhen> good night! 22:43:25 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@232.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:58:19 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B4658C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:30 <Nickman87> is it good coding style to for example call "this->vscroll.GetPosition()" once, and store the value in a variable if you need it two or more times? 23:00:12 <Yexo> that depends, if you do the same calculations with it every time, store the result of the calculation in avariable 23:00:18 <Yexo> if not, then whatever you prefer 23:00:45 <Nickman87> The value is used for a check first, and then again for a calculation for example 23:01:14 <Nickman87> we don't consider the function calls as overhead if it is just for 3, 4, 5 times? 23:01:32 <Yexo> the function will most likely be inlined anyway, so there is no overhead 23:01:55 <Yexo> and that depends on the complexicty of the funciton of course, but GetPosition() is jsut return internal_var; 23:03:08 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r17420 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp graph_gui.cpp misc_gui.cpp newgrf.cpp): -Codechange: replace assert() by assert_compile() where possible 23:06:20 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 23:10:31 <Nickman87> yeah, it is indeed probably inline so it won't matter :) 23:11:49 *** PhoenixII [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:51 <Nickman87> debug mode in VS for OTTD is slow... 23:12:06 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 23:12:47 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-156-43.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:14:05 <Eddi|zuHause> but the compilation is faster ;) 23:14:14 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 23:15:08 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g227089096.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:16:10 <Nickman87> :D 23:16:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:59 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C33.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B779BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:34 <Eddi|zuHause> neuer tag, neues disconnect 23:34:39 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.104.103] has joined #openttd 23:36:42 <Nickman87> Hmmm, having problem with the On Screen Keyboard widget system :( 23:36:55 <nicfer> I've found a bug: in a game I have two oil rigs together one to the other in such way that one of them blocks the loading bay of the other 23:37:22 <Yexo> nicfer: please open a bug report at bugs.openttd.org 23:37:32 <Yexo> Nickman87: what is the problem? 23:38:49 <Nickman87> I get an access voilation, but don't know what I should be missing that is causing it 23:39:11 <Nickman87> When I click in my Text box, It should open the window, but I gat an access violation 23:39:23 <Yexo> are you using nested widgets? 23:39:29 <Nickman87> Yes 23:39:42 <Nickman87> do you maybe know of an example with the nested widget system AND an edit box? 23:39:48 <Yexo> the QueryBaseStringWindow (or something like that) class doesn't support nested widgets yet 23:40:12 <Nickman87> ah, it doesn't completely? I tried making a different constructor 23:40:20 <Nickman87> but I guess it is not enough... 23:40:24 <Nickman87> so that is my problem :) 23:40:27 <Yexo> not completely -> not at all 23:40:35 <Yexo> Terkhen is working on that 23:40:41 <Yexo> I gave it a try but failed 23:40:53 <Nickman87> :D 23:41:00 <Nickman87> any idea if it will take a long time? :) 23:41:13 <Yexo> don't ask me, I'm not working on it 23:42:33 <Nickman87> :D 23:42:41 <Nickman87> I guess I'll just have to wait it out :) 23:44:28 <Nickman87> I could give it a try myself but... sounds like alot of work? 23:45:06 <Yexo> I've tried for 2 hours and failed, it may take someone else less time or more, no idea 23:45:22 <Nickman87> I have no idea what would be involved in it so... :) 23:47:13 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA2E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:02 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA2E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:53:05 <nicfer> task submitted 23:53:12 <nicfer> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3175 23:53:59 <nicfer> anyways, the oil rig gets serviced when I send ships to the other station 23:55:31 <nicfer> oh, and wait some years (near 2070) and you'll be unable to create more oil ships 23:58:56 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-166-25-51.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:58:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.16.18.90] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3]