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00:07:31 *** B_Chaos [~BaronChao@p5B268DAC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:50:00 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:56:03 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DD27B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Joyful it seems - but then suddenly - by one false move it's blown away] 00:58:02 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-153.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:58:02 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest2275 00:58:03 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 01:01:12 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.148.162.164] has joined #openttd 01:01:18 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8843.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:01:21 <Audigex> haihai 01:04:21 *** Guest2275 [~Dale@c-98-223-231-173.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:10:44 <Audigex> anyone here? 01:13:24 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has quit [] 01:13:37 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-170-238-150.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:14:44 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.181.96] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0] 01:23:50 *** KenjiE20|LT [~Kenji@host86-170-238-150.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:25:12 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:26:28 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 01:34:51 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485B076.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:36:29 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.50] has joined #openttd 01:42:01 *** fjb [~frank@p5485E76B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:07:58 *** zachanim1 [~zach@50A2FFAA.flatrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:10:08 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.148.162.164] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.13/2009073022]] 02:18:40 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:dd07:7a6b:a4f2:54d6] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:40:30 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 02:51:17 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 03:16:33 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485B076.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18:36 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:11:08 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@nude.lesbianbath.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:39:53 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:42:02 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 04:49:43 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:38:43 <Pikka> hmmm 05:41:52 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@2a01:270:dd00:7700:404:dead:beef:cafe] has joined #openttd 05:42:03 <Pikka> don't suppose anyone has any ideas on making industry tiles stations, a la oil rigs? 05:42:09 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 05:43:19 <Pikka> who are you calling ho? 05:45:39 *** stuffcorpse [~stuffcorp@121.98.136.241] has joined #openttd 05:45:40 <z-MaTRiX> its a santa claus greeting :P 05:59:52 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:01:31 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@13.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 06:01:43 <Terkhen> good morning 06:04:17 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 06:11:52 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@13.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 06:13:09 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@13.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 06:24:07 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-123.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:38:25 <Rubidium> Pikka: got a test grf so I can test the 'no house foundation' patch? 06:38:32 <Jonis> good morning 06:39:03 <Rubidium> Pikka: depends on the kind of station 06:40:52 <Pikka> rubidium: I found it on the forums. should put it in the wiki really. :) 06:41:13 <Pikka> hang on, I'll just upload 06:44:45 <Pikka> I gotta head out, be back in an hour or two 06:44:56 *** Pikka is now known as Pikkagone 06:47:48 <Pikkagone> oh, that grf uses cb30, btw 06:48:09 <Jonis> Anyone who is about to start a game? 06:48:41 <Rubidium> Pikkagone: as long as it uses that bit to tell whether to check the callback :) 06:51:09 <Pikkagone> 00 80 30 30, Rubidium 07:03:13 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@115.86.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 07:07:05 *** JnZ [Jonis@c-e2f670d5.027-27-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:08:25 *** Jonis [Jonis@c-e2f670d5.027-27-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:13:39 <JnZ> ?? 07:14:02 <JnZ> Hmm, why did I join the channel 2 times? :S 07:23:02 <Rubidium> 'cause it lost network connection with the server and your client then reconnected 07:23:17 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.50] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:56 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:25:56 <JnZ> Ok 07:28:09 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.163.199] has joined #openttd 07:49:09 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17518 /trunk/src/newgrf_callbacks.h: -Document: some of the callback 'masks' 07:54:42 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.248.225] has quit [Quit: worldemar] 07:58:28 *** JnZ [Jonis@c-e2f670d5.027-27-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:58:32 *** Jonis [Jonis@c-e2f670d5.027-27-67626721.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:07:44 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 08:08:13 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 08:12:25 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17519 /branches/0.7/ (8 files in 6 dirs): [0.7] -Update: some of the documentation 08:15:26 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:16:20 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17520 /tags/0.7.3-RC1/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Release: 0.7.3-RC1; happy 100hth day of the year! 08:23:52 *** Nickman_87 is now known as Nickman87 08:27:20 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-86-26-84-199.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 08:37:21 <Rubidium> why-o-why gets OpenTTD completely useless on each minor release of OSX? 08:37:45 *** lordaro [~lordaro@host86-139-183-253.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:37:53 *** lordaro [~lordaro@host86-139-183-253.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 08:38:10 *** lordaro [~lordaro@host86-139-183-253.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:38:30 *** lordaro [~lordaro@host86-139-183-253.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 08:38:42 <Prof_Frink> The apple reality distortion field interferes with the realism is the game. 08:40:01 <Rubidium> ah well, the 'fix' is easy: don't support 10.6 :) 08:40:51 <Prof_Frink> Nah, that fix'll break as soon as 10.7 comes along. 08:41:10 <Prof_Frink> Don't support OSX. 08:41:28 <Rubidium> 10.3-10.5 PPC and 10.4-10.5 x86 :) 08:42:01 <_ln> Prof_Frink: it's only 04:41 in Qu?bec, you are safe. 08:42:28 <Rubidium> Prof_Frink: that has definitely already crossed my mind *lots* of times 08:44:40 *** Pikkagone is now known as Pikka 08:44:43 <_ln> Rubidium: so, what's stopping you? 08:47:55 <Prof_Frink> Angry mac users. 08:48:35 <Prof_Frink> Don't worry, I'll distract them with something shiny while you escape. 08:51:27 *** worldemar [~woldemar@62.106.105.150] has joined #openttd 08:56:26 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:06:29 *** [alt]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:07:18 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:10:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F11B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:13:19 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE883f.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 09:22:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c343e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:28:21 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:32:52 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@d51537766.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:37:03 <Xaroth> Rubidium: 100hth day of the year :) 09:38:53 <frosch123> is that a hint that you cannot store the day of year in a byte? 09:39:23 <Xaroth> in a single byte? probably not :P 09:39:34 <Xaroth> two bytes, yes 09:40:50 <Rubidium> nah, more to programmers' day 09:41:34 <Rubidium> although if you start counting from 0 you're not 'there' yet 09:47:55 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-123.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 09:48:24 <petern> 100h? isn't that a bit... basic? 09:48:49 <frosch123> it's assemblish 09:49:17 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B076.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:49:22 <fjb> Hello 09:50:02 <frosch123> moin 09:51:11 <petern> that's odd, ttdpatch's code uses both "h" and "0x" 09:51:31 <petern> (first example of assembly i could think of, heh) 10:09:11 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:54 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 10:09:58 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:18:05 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: , sources date: 20090115, built on: 2009/03/07 00:45:02 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:21:21 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:41:12 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:52:51 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db00273.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:58:55 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17521 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Change: don't assume that there is always 'another' industry tile after two '0x18' industry tiles 11:02:10 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 11:10:01 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-162.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:26:24 <Jonis> Hows it goin? 11:27:13 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEC74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:11 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 11:31:21 *** BaronChaos [~BaronChao@p5B268BD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:41:04 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm151.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:54:58 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-162.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [Quit: I'll get you next episode, Inspector Gadget! NEXT EPISODE!] 12:03:51 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@d51537766.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:38 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-153-3.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:07:26 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... why is this ttartist forum suddenly so spammy? 12:07:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i constantly get mails saying "please come back" 12:07:52 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b8d1:abf1:9073:3913] has joined #openttd 12:07:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:11:49 <frosch123> are you serious? 12:16:53 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22:20 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but there appears to be an opt out... 12:27:04 <Rubidium> but... the ttartists forum can't have that much content that it's spammy; based on trying to view it as a guest "which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features" where I see 0 forums 12:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but i apparently registered a few years ago... 12:28:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and suddenly i get one message last weekend about my inactivity, and that "the forum improved a lot since my last login" 12:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> and this weekend i have one again 12:33:05 <Rubidium> "Welcome to FreeForums.org, By signing up and/or accessing our services you are agreeing to be bound by terms of this agreement. Please read this document carefully as it is a legally binding agreement." Now I assume that their HTTP runs as service... sounds a lot like: "by reading these terms of service you are agreeing with the terms" 12:34:02 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-98-223-231-173.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 12:34:02 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest2300 12:34:02 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 12:34:29 <_ln> Eddi|zuHause: you're back; how did you survive? 12:35:08 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:35:50 *** Nickman_87 is now known as Nickman87 12:40:26 *** Guest2300 [~Dale@pool-71-120-111-153.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:33 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEC74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:59 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEC74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:19:52 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@254.151.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:06 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@13.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26:01 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@115.86.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:29:21 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@145.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 13:36:06 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 13:39:01 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:41:20 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:48:03 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.27.111] has joined #openttd 14:01:11 <frosch123> DaleStan: do you agree, that "Callback flags are ignored for additional building tiles." from house action 0 only applies to cb 17 ? 14:01:26 *** worldemar [~woldemar@62.106.105.150] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:44 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 14:15:33 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEC74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:30 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.224.127] has joined #openttd 14:18:48 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEC74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:20:03 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:37:13 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.148.15.225] has joined #openttd 14:38:20 *** Suber [~ge_stud@p3EE246E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:43 *** |asdf| [~Terkhen@214.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 14:51:04 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17522 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Fix: Scroll to selected content after sorting the list and after updating the scrollbar maximum. 14:55:13 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@145.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.16.82.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 14:58:28 <andythenorth> afternoon 14:58:43 <andythenorth> in the palette (windows) are there two water cycles, or one? 14:59:23 <frosch123> the water cycle contains two independent cycles 14:59:48 <frosch123> one for "normal water" and one for the bright sparcs 14:59:59 <andythenorth> frosch123: winner. that makes propellor wash on boats possible without additional animation in nfo 15:00:02 <andythenorth> :D 15:00:14 <frosch123> "whitecap" says the dictionary 15:01:22 <frosch123> hehe, i'll wait for the grf then :p 15:05:38 <andythenorth> ta 15:05:40 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.16.82.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:14:21 <Audigex> i know he's left 15:14:47 <Audigex> but how would you get rid of the prop wash when it's stopped? 15:15:09 <frosch123> by testing current speed 15:15:23 <frosch123> though it will look weird when turning :p 15:19:13 <Rubidium> well, 4 tile long ships will look weird anyway 15:19:54 <frosch123> true, i forgot the prop wash on land 15:30:52 <petern> articulated ships 15:32:45 <frosch123> yeah, putting mail into the prop wash might keep it up with mail in aircraft shadows :p 15:35:47 <Nickman87> I see the QueryStringBaseWindow has been updated to the NestedWidget system ;) 15:35:50 <Nickman87> perfect 15:36:52 <Alberth> Thank Terkhen for that 15:37:58 *** |asdf| [~Terkhen@214.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:50 <Nickman87> I saw it in the changelog :) 15:40:22 *** Aankhen`` [~foo@122.162.163.199] has quit [] 15:42:42 <Nickman87> hmmm, does not compile in VS? :s 15:43:27 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:43:44 <Nickman87> Error 1 error C2535: 'QueryStringBaseWindow::QueryStringBaseWindow(uint16)' : member function already defined or declared d:\openttd-projects\filter signs\svn\src\querystring_gui.h 77 15:43:52 <Nickman87> I get this error 8 times, always same line number 15:45:03 <Nickman87> and indeed, it is defined two times here... 15:45:06 <Rubidium> that's probably due to custom modifications on your side 15:45:28 <Nickman87> my bad 15:45:41 <Nickman87> yeah, forgot that I had changed it few weeks back... 15:46:04 <Nickman87> funny to see that I made the exact same change :D 15:58:56 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by a little mexican guy with wire snippers] 16:00:47 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:01:21 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 16:03:28 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 16:04:01 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:10:27 *** [com]buster is now known as Combuster 16:10:29 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:16:25 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm151.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.181.12] has joined #openttd 16:41:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.173.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:43:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17523 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Fix (r17514): InvalidateWindowClasses() only does SetDirty(), which is no longer enough. 16:45:14 *** williham [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 16:49:32 *** Azrael- [~azraeluk@cpc1-papw2-0-0-cust1013.cmbg.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 16:51:55 *** [wito] [~wito@25.244.251.212.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:29 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:11:48 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B076.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:35 *** bubastis [~Bubba@ip76-47-208-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:18:47 <Markk> Anyone who lives in Canada? 17:19:35 <frosch123> no, they are all dead 17:21:24 <Audigex> or emigrated 17:21:31 <Audigex> something about "it's too bloody cold" 17:21:34 <Markk> Oh my 17:21:35 <Markk> :P 17:21:37 <Markk> Audigex: :P 17:21:57 <Audigex> hai 17:21:58 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@d54C3F29D.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:45 *** Suber [~ge_stud@p3EE246E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 17:23:07 <Markk> Audigex: I live in Sweden, we have like, the same climate here 17:23:56 <Audigex> it does get a little chilly, i'll grant 17:24:01 <DaleStan> frosch123: Something /is/ wrong there. 1A/1B/1C all have to be called for all tiles, I'm pretty sure. I'll look harder later today. 17:24:07 <Audigex> although i dont think they actually have all moved south 17:26:57 <frosch123> thanks, DaleStan, i could not find any trace of the northtile-ness in ttdp 17:28:54 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.16.82.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:39 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest2326 17:31:47 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-73-140.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:33:13 <Jonis> Hi 17:33:20 <yorick> hi 17:33:36 <Jonis> Hows it goin? 17:33:55 <yorick> no idea 17:34:37 <Jonis> Is that good or bad? 17:34:48 <yorick> somewhere in between 17:34:55 <Jonis> Nice 17:35:03 <yorick> Quite 17:35:14 <yorick> Do you need to Capitalize each line? 17:37:02 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17524 /trunk/src/newgrf_config.cpp: -Codechange: use QSortT instead of qsort for sorting NewGRFs 17:37:59 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17525 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Cleanup: Remove SetWindowDirty(), it is completely covered by other functions already. 17:38:03 *** Guest2326 [~Chris_Boo@client-86-26-84-199.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:19 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17526 /trunk/src/ (network/network_gui.cpp strings.cpp strings_func.h): -Codechange: use QSortT instead of qsort for sorting the language list in the network GUI 17:39:01 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17527 /trunk/src/core/smallmap_type.hpp: -Codechange: use QSortT instead of qsort for sorting smallmaps 17:39:45 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17528 /trunk/src/ (fios.cpp fios.h misc_gui.cpp): -Codechange: use QSortT instead of qsort for sorting FiosItems 17:40:05 <Jonis> Yeah, I do need that 17:40:09 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:40:13 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 17:40:35 <yorick> why? 17:42:46 <Jonis> Dunno, started when alot of buddies started with it for some reason and then it's stuck. :S 17:45:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17529 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 17:45:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 81 changes by jpx_ 17:45:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 207 changes by fumantsu 17:45:28 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: portuguese - 5 changes by SupSuper 17:45:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 55 changes by nglekhoi 17:46:07 <_ln> gaah, finnish, not again 17:47:20 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17530 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: use QSortT instead of qsort for sorting EngineIDs 17:51:12 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 17:53:30 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051061175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:54:10 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-98-223-231-173.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:54:58 *** DaleStan [~Dale@98.223.108.117] has joined #openttd 17:58:12 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17531 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_basestation.hpp: -Fix: wrong @file for ai_basestation.hpp 18:00:57 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226131199.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:57 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:01:03 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:06:00 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-73-140.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:06 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@249.21-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 18:15:22 *** oskari89 [oskari89@212-149-207-211.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 18:16:31 <_ln> play.com: "The phone number must correspond to the landline at the cardholder address." 18:17:10 <FauxFaux> Good luck with that. 18:17:14 <_ln> are they serious? 18:17:33 <FauxFaux> Some credit card companies claim to check it, but I've never had a problem (I don't have a landline). 18:17:40 <FauxFaux> I'm not sure what I told play.com my number was. 18:17:55 <Audigex> what if they dont have a landline? 18:18:10 <Audigex> i know plenty of people who have a contract mobile and don't bother with a landline 18:18:19 <Audigex> especially now, in the days of mobile broadband 18:18:43 <FauxFaux> Banks in being 20 years behind shocker. 18:19:32 <FauxFaux> I can't guess my play e-mail address, and I doubt they'd tell me my 'phone number anyway. 18:19:32 * yorick finally got NDS compiler to work, and my microSD adapter is now broken :( 18:20:31 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-191.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 18:21:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Audigex: especially with the "home"-type tarifs, where you get charged landline prices while you are near your home adress 18:22:18 <_ln> I don't have a landline, and I've had a credit card for years. 18:23:13 <Audigex> eddit - exactly 18:23:26 <Audigex> i dont have a landline at uni 18:23:30 <Audigex> my net comes through the uni network 18:23:37 <Audigex> and skype is cheaper 18:24:32 *** nicfer [~Usuario@168.226.105.82] has joined #openttd 18:30:58 <Audigex> Doorslammer 18:31:09 <Audigex> your arse -> brforum 18:33:48 *** BaronChaos [~BaronChao@p5B268BD5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:36:36 *** lordaro [~lordaro@host86-139-183-253.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:38:50 *** lordaro [~lordaro@host86-139-183-253.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 18:50:22 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:54:23 <andythenorth> oops 19:01:16 <PeterT> @seen yorick 19:01:16 <DorpsGek> PeterT: yorick was last seen in #openttd 41 minutes and 44 seconds ago: * yorick finally got NDS compiler to work, and my microSD adapter is now broken :( 19:02:17 <yorick> PeterT: WHAT IS IT 19:02:38 <Eddi|zuHause> do not wake the beast!! 19:02:57 <Eddi|zuHause> # Wir gehen auf die L?wenjagd 19:03:03 <Eddi|zuHause> # Wir haben keine Angst 19:03:12 <Eddi|zuHause> # Wir haben ein gutes Gewehr dabei 19:03:30 <Eddi|zuHause> # Und ein scharfes Schwert. Hah! 19:03:52 <Prof_Frink> Ich habe mein kopf gegessen. 19:04:08 <Eddi|zuHause> "i ate my head"? 19:04:33 <yorick> quite 19:05:45 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:06:15 <Eddi|zuHause> "the lionhunt" is an interactive children's song 19:06:26 <Prof_Frink> About the only german phrase I can remember. Apart from replacing "ate" with "forgot". 19:06:56 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah. the joy of mixing up syllables ;) 19:07:19 <Audigex> meine luftkissenfahrtzeug ist voll von aahlen 19:07:25 <Audigex> thats the only german phrase i can remember 19:07:30 <yorick> hast du dein kopf vergessen? 19:07:33 <Audigex> and i think i mis-spelt it atrociously :-) 19:07:38 <Audigex> have you forgotten your head? 19:07:40 <Audigex> maybe 19:07:55 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db00273.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 19:08:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Audigex: not hopelessly ;) 19:08:35 <Eddi|zuHause> well, "forgetting your head" is an actual german phrase, it has a meaning ;) 19:08:50 <Prof_Frink> Audigex: Is it bad that I can work out what it says, despite not knowing any of the critical words? 19:09:18 <yorick> Prof_Frink: yes 19:09:24 <yorick> I'd say it is 19:10:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: means you are on the f^Hbrink of losing your head :p 19:12:01 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 19:16:13 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17532 /trunk/src/ (61 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: Rename several Invalidate functions to SetDirty for more consistency and distinguishability. 19:19:03 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:10 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE883f.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:00 *** Dreamxtreme [~chatzilla@93-97-81-59.zone5.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:30:33 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@249.21-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:50 <Hexan> is it posseble in openttd to rotate a airport before i build it? 19:32:04 <PeterT> no 19:33:38 <planetmaker> or not yet :-P 19:34:30 <PeterT> no 19:35:50 <glx> not yet is the correct answer 19:36:28 <SpComb> vectors and a rotation matrix! 19:36:36 <SpComb> seamless rotation 19:36:47 <glx> it's more a need sprites problem ;) 19:37:49 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=810643#p810643 <- HAHA, i like that 19:41:05 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:24 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:41:48 <yorick> Hello Nite_Owl 19:42:34 <dihedral> hoohoo 19:43:05 <Nite_Owl> Hello yorick and dihedral 19:44:06 <Zuu> Hi dihedral 19:44:19 <Zuu> comming back to #openttd 19:44:29 <Zuu> or just checking out whats going on? 19:44:53 <dihedral> what do you mean 'coming back' 19:45:10 <yorick> oohoo 19:45:13 <Zuu> have not seen you for long time. 19:45:18 <dihedral> ah :-) 19:45:20 <dihedral> well 19:45:24 * yorick has not been here for a long time :-( 19:45:42 <dihedral> i was on holiday for 3 weeks, had a busy last week, and a full weekend 19:45:48 <Zuu> You might have been logged in and joined on #openttd but remained silent :p 19:45:55 <dihedral> yes :-) 19:46:01 <dihedral> that's the bouncer ^^ 19:46:12 <Zuu> Ah, hope your holiday was nice 19:47:06 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=817569#p817569 19:47:06 <dihedral> holiday was awesome 19:47:06 <dihedral> tiring but very good 19:47:06 <dihedral> how about yourself? 19:47:29 <Zuu> My summer was spent in Canada and that was also very nice 19:48:01 *** Polygon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #openttd 19:48:10 <dihedral> i bet 19:48:50 <Zuu> Was out and hiked a bit in the mountains :-) 19:49:14 <Zuu> Not as home where I today walked 20 km on flat land. 19:49:37 <dihedral> ouch 19:49:45 <dihedral> that would not have been a holiday for me :-D 19:49:47 <dihedral> :-P 19:49:51 <Zuu> Hehe :p 19:50:14 *** worm [~worm@89.188.20.118] has quit [Quit: nn] 19:50:58 <Zuu> In Canada I did 22 km, but with an evalution gain of 1400 meters also :-p 19:51:25 *** R0b0t1 [~Enigma@64-136-216-213.dyn.everestkc.net] has joined #openttd 19:51:29 <Zuu> The end of that hike was a battle between my brain and my legs :p 19:51:50 <dihedral> i was in swizerland last year, and did a nice hike.... starting at 1400, going up to 2700 and back down to 1600 19:51:54 <dihedral> m 19:52:09 <dihedral> and about 10km distance 19:52:21 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.148.15.225] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52:21 <Zuu> That's steep. 19:52:32 <dihedral> it was 19:52:48 <dihedral> let me see if i can find a nice pic for you 19:52:50 <Zuu> My toes would not be happy after going down that distance. 19:52:50 *** Audigex [~audigex@78.148.195.48] has joined #openttd 19:53:51 <dihedral> that was an awesome day 19:53:57 <dihedral> took us like 11 hours :-D 19:54:30 <Zuu> Thats long :-) 19:54:36 <yorick> 3.6 deg at 22km :| 19:55:44 <Zuu> The good part of my 22-km hike this summer was that we took the gondola down (for free) so we just had to get up the mountain, not down again. 19:57:25 <dihedral> hehe - that's cheeting :-D 19:57:59 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-191.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 19:58:49 <yorick> it does make it 7.1 20:02:39 *** nfc [nfc@cable-hvk-fe7ede00-156.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:08:47 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:25:05 <Zuu> dihedral: Thats saving ones knes :-) 20:29:38 <Prof_Frink> Zuu: I once did a circular walk of about 10k. 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I know MacOS needs some tweaks, but I wouldn't have thought it'd vary hugely from version to version (otherwise you'd have old software failing as people upgrade)? 21:35:21 <welshdragon> yeah, i find that hard to believe 21:35:39 <Rubidium> 1) it doesn't compile on all 10.6 installs 21:36:01 <Rubidium> 2) it is glitchy on 10.6 where is wasn't on 10.5 (wrong colours with 8bpp blitter) 21:36:32 <Rubidium> 3) it gives (sometimes) an error about needing to calibrate the monitor 21:36:52 <Rubidium> that's all 'new in' 10.6 21:36:58 <Lakie> Ouch 21:37:11 <Rubidium> 10.5 had problems where openttd didn't start on some OSXes 21:37:22 <Rubidium> which later seemed to be related to the video card driver 21:37:29 <Rubidium> whereas it worked flawlessly in 10.4 21:37:35 <welshdragon> sounds like a video card driver issue 21:38:18 <Lakie> You could pin some blame on video drivers, but that does seem to make development for Mac OS ports / applications see like a lot of extra hassle 21:39:12 <welshdragon> there are 21:39:17 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@249.21-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:39:34 <welshdragon> quite a few apps that are not working on 10.6 at the moment 21:39:44 <Rubidium> luckily we have no-one who seems to know enough of OSX to get the port fixed 21:39:56 <welshdragon> and that's one reason why i'm not upgrading 21:40:06 <Lakie> Not even Owen? 21:40:07 <Rubidium> and I had it with 'stab in the black trying to solve a bug' 21:40:23 <Lakie> Lol, that doesn't work very well. 21:40:26 <Audigex> how many downloads does the osx port actually get? 21:40:41 <Rubidium> Lakie: well, lets add 'and has time' to the equation 21:40:51 <Audigex> as compared to the windows and linux versions? 21:41:00 <Lakie> Part of the reason we used to demand that we be able to reproduce bugs before trying to fix them with TTDPatch... 21:41:57 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@232.20-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 21:41:58 <Audigex> [22:39] <Dreamxtreme> isnt openttd Upnp ? 21:42:03 <Audigex> in #tycoon 21:42:04 <Lakie> Probably less, but Mac OS is still pretty popular? 21:42:26 <Audigex> yeah, but it would be interesting to see how many it does actually get 21:42:26 <Rubidium> Audigex: 110 average a day for OSX, ~1500 a day for Windows (140 of which 64 bits), ~140 Linux (excluding source downloads) 21:42:33 <Audigex> fair enough 21:42:35 *** Nickman_87 [~nick.defr@232.20-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [] 21:42:40 <Audigex> not low enough to discontinue then :-) 21:42:59 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 21:43:05 <Rubidium> well, it's already on the path to being discontinued; 10.6 is "officially" not supported 21:43:22 <Audigex> fair enough 21:43:24 <Audigex> a shame 21:43:30 <Lakie> Hmm... 21:43:49 <Audigex> but dev's time would be better spent on working with a less antagonistic os 21:44:07 <Audigex> trying to fix something "stab in the black" as you put it, is far less productive 21:44:25 <welshdragon> I'm saddened to hear that 21:44:30 <Audigex> you'd probably get several times more work done on the windows build 21:44:32 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@254.151.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:44:39 <Lakie> Rubidium: I assume that most of the devs don't use MacOS then, or is it really hard to debug on it (or something)? 21:44:54 <Audigex> none of the devs have macOS, I think 21:44:57 <Rubidium> none of the active devs run OSX 21:45:02 <Audigex> ^^ 21:45:05 <Lakie> I thought so. 21:45:16 <Rubidium> OSX doesn't run in any sane virtualisation platform 21:45:23 <Lakie> :( 21:45:37 <Audigex> and macs are expensive 21:45:38 <Rubidium> whereas Windows happily runs virtualised 21:45:42 <Lakie> Which means you need a Mac for it and they are expensive. 21:45:51 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [] 21:45:56 <Lakie> Really? Vista crashed my virtual box loads of times during install. 21:45:59 <Lakie> Page fault errors. 21:46:06 <Audigex> windows pc can be built for ?100 second hand, enough to run openttd 21:46:08 <welshdragon> Audigex: Snow Leopard is ?25 21:46:16 <Rubidium> Lakie: Windows XP is *more* than enough 21:46:23 <welshdragon> and you don't need a Mac 21:46:24 <Lakie> You need the hardware, welshdragon... 21:46:31 <Audigex> when I say mac, I mean the whole thing 21:46:46 <Audigex> i couldnt buy snow leopard and run it on my machine 21:46:48 <welshdragon> there are Hackintoshes 21:46:57 <Lakie> Well, from what I remember you could fudge the BIOS to install it 21:46:59 <Rubidium> at least not legally 21:47:01 <Audigex> which are illegal, and prone to bugs 21:47:10 <Lakie> But then you are debugging on fudges which could lead to more bugs 21:47:13 <Audigex> which introduces another whole area of cocking up 21:47:33 <Audigex> how do you know what's the game, the os and just your graphics driver disagreeing with an os it wasn't made for? 21:47:34 * Lakie ponders about driver support for normal machines, probably not too great. 21:47:36 <Rubidium> and running a *modified* kernel and shit isn't good for debugging stuff 21:47:58 <Lakie> Indeed. 21:48:16 <welshdragon> Hmm 21:48:39 * Rubidium has to confess that osx 10.3.9 runs in pearpc, but pearpc isn't a sane virtualisation environment (way way too slow) 21:49:04 <Audigex> if it turns out that i won the lottery last night 21:49:08 <Lakie> I'm surprised that even some basic support hasn't appeared in virtual box. 21:49:09 <Audigex> i'll buy a handful of mac minis 21:49:31 <Lakie> Heh 21:49:47 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:49:59 <welshdragon> Rubidium: so essentially development of stable versions of OpenTTD will stop for OSX? 21:50:13 <welshdragon> (if everybody upgrades to 10.6) 21:51:22 *** bb10 [~nn@dhcp-077-248-075-030.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:08 <Rubidium> Audigex: good luck finding someone (still) interested in fixing the port 21:53:33 <Lakie> Heh, you need a Mac user who knows about programming ideally. 21:54:19 * welshdragon now wants to be a programmer :( 21:54:30 <Rubidium> well, and has some hardware to test fixes 21:54:48 <Rubidium> e.g. don't break it for 10.3.9/10.4/10.5 21:54:50 * welshdragon has the hardware, just lacks the OS 21:55:01 <Lakie> Having all the OS' could be a problem though 21:55:36 <Rubidium> which basically requires a PPC mac too 21:55:55 <Lakie> Thats not really going to happen though is it? 21:56:11 <Rubidium> Bjarni sold his PPC mac 21:56:41 <Rubidium> not to mention that Bjarni has no time at all 21:57:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:00 <Rubidium> and in my time with OpenTTD I've seen only a very small number of people with the adequate skill set 22:01:49 <Rubidium> it even amazes me that Bjarni could pull it off (okay, he sometimes took his time) 22:02:06 *** Combuster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:11 <tokai> Got a Mac, but don't know about Mac specific programming at all -- nor do I enjoy C++ ;) 22:04:07 <Audigex> !p 22:04:08 <Rubidium> conclusion: lacking the adequate skill set for doing the mac port 22:04:10 <Audigex> whoops 22:04:32 <tokai> Rubidium: absolutely :) 22:05:27 <welshdragon> it would probably take me years to be able to get the knowledge needed to develop for openttd :( 22:07:30 <tokai> Back then when it was in C it was very easy; but now with all the C++ you must be really into the code to grasp how it works. 22:08:14 <Rubidium> well, the OSX API already was ObjC, so not much OO was added since we went C++ 22:08:22 <Rubidium> and most of the C tricks still work 22:11:38 *** Peter [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:54 <tokai> But it's still strange that no Mac OS X programmer is interested. Seems not much retro-gamers on the platform. 22:12:04 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has joined #openttd 22:13:16 <welshdragon> there are 22:13:41 <welshdragon> but i don't think the Mac OSX community knows about OSX 22:14:47 <Audigex> mac is a relatively closed system 22:15:06 <welshdragon> not true 22:15:21 <Audigex> so i think that, to generalise far too much, an average mac programmer will know less about osx than the average windows programmer does about windows 22:15:48 <welshdragon> again 22:15:52 <welshdragon> not true 22:19:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F11B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:24 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DEC74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Joyful it seems - but then suddenly - by one false move it's blown away] 22:23:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:25:17 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-73-140.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:53 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-73-140.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 22:28:21 <Rubidium> Audigex: agreed, though I even think that the average Mac user knows less about programming than the average Windows user 22:28:46 *** rasco [rasco@tietos.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:30 <Audigex> the users could go either way 22:29:39 <Audigex> but i'd suspect your right 22:29:42 <Audigex> IMO, as always :p 22:31:31 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:31:48 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:07 *** Peter [~Peter@c-76-19-168-104.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:09 *** rasco [rasco@tietos.com] has joined #openttd 22:34:21 *** _ln [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 22:37:47 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 22:51:35 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:54:46 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@27.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 22:54:53 <Terkhen> hello 22:55:10 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@client-82-26-73-140.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:14 <Peter> Hello terkhen 22:57:43 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-76-109-50-97.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:00:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-153-3.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:05:25 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@27.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:05:56 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.60.117] has quit [] 23:06:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051061175.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 23:14:05 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 23:17:38 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE883f.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:21:20 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22:33 *** Peter is now known as PeterT 23:23:21 <glx> [23:48:39] Rubidium has to confess that osx 10.3.9 runs in pearpc, but pearpc isn't a sane virtualisation environment (way way too slow) <-- indeed it's faster than 10.4.8 in vmware, but I compiling on 10.3.9 is not possible, and debugging fails in pearpc 23:25:17 <_ln> is pearpc a virtualisation environment at all? ain't it an emulator. 23:25:44 <glx> it's an emulator 23:26:10 <glx> and it doesn't support debugging stuff used by gdb 23:26:29 <_ln> sad. 23:26:56 <glx> 10.4.8 in vmware is slow for only one reason, lack of video driver for vmware (so no acceleration) 23:27:05 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEd4d8.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:27:58 <glx> but drive access are also slow (that's why compiling openttd requires ~45min) 23:30:41 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: smatz * r17533 /trunk/src/driver.h: -Fix: missing 'const' 23:32:42 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE883f.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B751D0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C78.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:35:18 <_ln> [01:14] <Audigex> mac is a relatively closed system <-- the kernel is open source, the compiler is open source, a lot of the system is open source. 23:35:43 <glx> have fun with the ObjC(++) parts ;) 23:36:10 <Audigex> but they won't let you do shit with it 23:36:26 <_ln> such as? 23:36:28 <Audigex> although i was honest and said it was a generalisation :p 23:36:35 <Audigex> im not the most mac-aware person on the planet 23:36:54 <Audigex> they wont let me install it, for starters 23:37:02 <Audigex> so by extension, i can't do anything else with it 23:37:11 <_ln> why won't they 23:37:27 <glx> the API is documented, but some useful stuff is not in the API (like fonts handling) 23:38:32 <_ln> is there a bug report that lists the things in detail that the mac port is lacking? 23:38:45 <glx> yes 23:39:08 <glx> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2782 23:39:15 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:28 <_ln> merci 23:41:30 *** Polygon [~Poly@n15-60.dsl.vianetworks.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:50:08 <_ln> well, just drop the support. 23:50:25 <_ln> it can't be that hard.