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in server or on every client? 07:09:25 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE97da.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 07:13:12 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:29:44 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@150.214.221.103] has quit [Quit: ...] 07:30:01 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [] 07:34:08 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:37:42 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 07:45:56 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has joined #openttd 07:46:37 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@145.118.72.64] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:47:21 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 07:47:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:49 <dihedral> ai's run where the game is hosted 08:01:27 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has joined #openttd 08:03:09 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 08:07:54 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDDE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has 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hickop: there is only an option to remove wagons, not to add them on replace 10:25:43 <hickop> Eddi|zuHause: ok thx 10:32:34 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 10:32:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051186120.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:43:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:58:31 *** thepalm [~chatzilla@121.210.80.70] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]] 11:12:19 *** masacre [~masacre@wlan-145-94-175-66.wlan.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 11:12:22 <masacre> hi all 11:13:12 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.3.24.123] has joined #openttd 11:13:23 <masacre> is there any openttd guru willing to answer a few questions from me? 11:13:38 <masacre> or all too busy playing :) 11:13:59 <SmatZ> everyone is waiting for you to ask instead of asking to ask :-p 11:14:22 <masacre> i wont keep everyone in suspense much longer then. 11:15:44 <masacre> only one of the servers on the public server list has > 30 max clients. Why is a lower limit placed on those servers? 11:15:51 <masacre> .. 11:16:18 <masacre> not my best sentence 11:16:27 <SmatZ> how many of the servers have > 4 clients connected? 11:16:50 <masacre> ok, so there is just no need... 11:17:36 <masacre> there are more servers than clients :) 11:17:46 <Noldo> yeah 11:18:19 <masacre> are there many more active players in the weekends/evening (in some timezone)? 11:19:07 <masacre> or is 100ish just about normal? 11:22:10 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc126-157.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 11:23:10 *** Muxy [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has left #openttd [Back to the Goulp] 11:23:20 *** Muxy [~Muxy@nt2001.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 11:23:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think anyone ever made a weekly graph 11:23:58 <masacre> Eddi|zuHause: well what kind of numbers do you recall... did you ever see 1000 clients? or 500? 11:24:23 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 11:24:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i can say pretty safely that i never witnessed such a thing 11:24:51 <masacre> k 11:24:54 <masacre> trouble then :) 11:27:33 <masacre> what happens if one of the servers crashes, is all lost, or do they save every now and then so you can resume from there? 11:28:44 <Eddi|zuHause> that depends on the server 11:30:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:03 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:35:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77E27.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:38:10 <Rubidium> 200-250 players is roughly the maximum you'll get in any week 11:39:09 <SpComb> whip up some MRTG on the masterserver :) 11:39:09 *** tux_mark_5 [~kvirc@lan-84-240-29-163.vln.skynet.lt] has joined #openttd 11:39:26 <TrueBrain> here I was hoping MRTG project was dead by now .. 11:39:45 <SpComb> SNMP extensions to OpenTTD 11:39:48 <Noldo> it sucks? 11:40:26 <TrueBrain> I would advise rrdtool with snmpclient to everyone, so in my opinion, yes 11:41:35 *** ecke_ [~ecke@85.13.74.6] has joined #openttd 11:42:24 <masacre> and those hickups when a server autosaves... is that a multisecond thing? 11:42:26 <TrueBrain> but I guess it is a nice suggestion to make MSU keep track of simple stats, and output that on request 11:43:08 <Rubidium> ... but the master server doesn't know about the stats 11:43:35 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I was more thinking in the lines of: servers-advertised (total number) 11:43:37 <Rubidium> ... and the updater that does know the stats doesn't have a way to get requests 11:43:49 *** masacre_ [~masacre@wlan-145-94-174-25.wlan.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 11:44:09 <masacre_> < masacre> and those hickups when a server autosaves... is that a multisecond thing? 11:44:35 *** th1ngwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:44:37 <Rubidium> depends on the slowness of the map and the size of the map 11:44:48 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: other stats like total connected clients can be easily added to the MSU (not the updater), as it is a single SQL 11:44:50 <Rubidium> but yes, it can be multiseconds in worst case 11:45:43 <boekabart> shouldn't a save be multithreadable? shadow copy and save in background? 11:46:21 <boekabart> if only it were as simple as a simple memorycopy of the map arrays... 11:46:32 <TrueBrain> boekabart: psst .. check the code :p 11:47:12 <Rubidium> boekabart: clients joining server? 11:47:17 <masacre_> (ive read somewhere that the only use of a second thread is during a save) 11:47:18 <TrueBrain> it is only off for servers 11:47:56 <Rubidium> servers don't 'fire and forget' save because that makes the code unnecessarily complex 11:48:10 <TrueBrain> the network-send-map code, yes :) 11:48:12 <TrueBrain> THREAD IT! :p 11:48:22 <masacre_> hmm 11:48:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B0BCA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:48:28 *** thingwath [~thingie@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:47 *** th1ngwath is now known as thingwath 11:49:05 <Rubidium> SNMP looks awfully complex for the master server 11:49:20 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: SNMP would be complete overkill. Simple 'finger' like protocol would make more sense 11:49:31 <TrueBrain> or even a new packet which is like GET_STATS 11:49:48 <Rubidium> but... they want XML 11:49:56 <TrueBrain> who 'they' 11:50:13 <masacre_> just 'they', like the guys who killed Kenny... 11:50:16 <Rubidium> whoever is going to use it; just use the webserver. It can do SQL queries too 11:50:26 *** masacre [~masacre@wlan-145-94-175-66.wlan.tudelft.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B07C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:50:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:50:43 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: hmm .. didn't I already make the server part XML ready? Can't remember .. I did some work on it, can't remember if I published it 11:51:12 <TrueBrain> clearly I never published it, ghehe :) 11:51:16 <Rubidium> and it's probably a) easier to implement at server side, b) easier to implement at client side and c) doesn't trash the clear distinction between master server and updater (i.e. website filler) 11:51:40 <TrueBrain> you are no fun :( 11:51:47 * TrueBrain hugs Rubidium 11:52:17 * Rubidium is going back at getting annoyed by LTO not working and Ex 11:52:21 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: either way, I was more thinking in the lines of business of the MSU (as I said). Like connections per minute, shit like that :) 11:52:28 <TrueBrain> LTO? Ex? 11:52:52 <Rubidium> yes, Ex as in Ex's duplicate servers 11:53:02 <Rubidium> and LTO as in GCC's link time optimisation 11:53:35 <TrueBrain> Ex is easy :) I would just add an IP ban if it was up to me :p 11:53:50 <TrueBrain> business .. busyness ... lol :) 11:54:15 <Rubidium> heh, resign and re-sign are much more fun to mix up 11:54:27 <TrueBrain> auch 11:55:23 <SpComb> SNMPX 11:55:30 <SpComb> like SNMP, but with more XML 11:56:11 <Rubidium> ..|., 11:56:16 <TrueBrain> [13:55] <masacre_> would it be possible to cheat with openttd, if i hacked a client (im not going to, dont worry) 11:56:21 <TrueBrain> if you have something to ask, use this channel 11:57:41 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:40eb:2ff9:2e62:38a3] has joined #openttd 11:57:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:57:56 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 11:58:13 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r2ap232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:59:51 <Rubidium> depending on what you classify as cheating it's possible, but then it's possible with an unhacked client too 12:08:11 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@195-241-124-225.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:24 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 12:17:36 <masacre_> so changing the client would not help me. Too bad :) 12:18:17 <Noldo> don't be so cryptic 12:18:31 <TrueBrain> always those people from a TUDelft who want to do such nasty things :( 12:18:36 <TrueBrain> they can't fix my bike, but this they can 12:18:46 <masacre_> im not in the bike fixing business :) 12:18:58 <TrueBrain> you are supposed to be! You are from Delft! 12:19:36 <masacre_> kuch 12:19:59 <Rubidium> yeah, the last time I was in Delft there were a lot of people cheating OpenTTD 12:20:08 <TrueBrain> that too, for sure :) 12:20:31 <Rubidium> it's probably something with the air 12:20:36 <TrueBrain> I still like that one trick, to buy vehicles at one industry, move it to the delivery stuff, and sell it there 12:20:38 <Rubidium> like no CO2 or so 12:21:23 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has left #openttd [] 12:21:34 <TrueBrain> I think boekabart is from Delft :p 12:21:46 <Rubidium> nah 12:21:47 <masacre_> actually i wanted to improve on some part of openttd :) 12:21:48 <Rubidium> unless he moved 12:22:02 <TrueBrain> masacre_: your improvement is finding a way to cheat? :p 12:22:10 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I doubt that :) 12:22:46 <masacre_> i guess you didnt believe my 'im not going to' :) 12:23:38 <TrueBrain> I am no longer, no 12:23:46 <masacre_> :) 12:26:18 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@ip80-101-235-222.hotspotsvankpn.com] has joined #openttd 12:26:20 * Rubidium wonders what's the state of the fakkelteit 12:36:13 * TrueBrain wonders why people always list the channels you are on, and starts to join them ... 12:37:56 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: start "#hebikhoningaanmijnreet" :) 12:38:05 <TrueBrain> hahahah :) 12:38:33 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 12:38:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@ip80-101-235-222.hotspotsvankpn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:39:23 <SpComb> decompiling 16-bit real-mode apps? 12:47:05 <Ammler> TrueBrain: maybe you should checkout what "public" means... ;-) 12:47:21 <TrueBrain> Ammler: only if you lookup the word "stalker" 12:48:20 <Ammler> me? well... 12:48:31 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8798e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:40 <TrueBrain> :) 12:49:26 <Rubidium> Ammler: "accessible to or shared by all members of the community". Apparantly someone isn't member of his community 12:49:58 <Ammler> Rubidium: but you need to join the channel to "learn" that 12:50:42 <masacre_> Ammler: thanks :) 12:50:50 <Rubidium> why? Or do you mean you don't know you shouldn't casually walk into White House? 12:51:08 <Ammler> it is like visiting "special" pubs, some you do visit only once. 12:51:09 <Rubidium> or with a oddly padded coat into an airport 12:51:47 <TrueBrain> good argument for first time rapest: well, it was 'public', so I thought, I have to try it at least once to 'learn' if I am part of that community ... I am not 12:52:29 <masacre_> Probably you should use a less inviting name. 'opendune' sounds community-like. 12:53:01 <Ammler> oh :-o 12:53:06 <TrueBrain> I don't care that people join; it scares me people look in the list of channels users are in :) 12:53:32 <Ammler> TrueBrain: you should join a club with dih... 12:53:36 <Ammler> ... he, you did :-) 12:53:44 <TrueBrain> :) 12:53:49 *** ecke_ [~ecke@85.13.74.6] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 12:53:50 <TrueBrain> a NON PUBLIC club, to be exact :p 12:53:55 <masacre_> well you called me a TUDelft'er, i assumed your IP would show some sign of Delft too. 12:54:05 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@82-32-243-15.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:54:09 <TrueBrain> masacre_: I hope you understand I am not really serious :) 12:54:16 <dihedral> what's he complaining about?? 12:54:27 <TrueBrain> but no, I am not from Delft, else I wouldn't be making fun of the fact you are in Delft :p 12:54:50 <TrueBrain> my city just has a long standing discomfort with people from Delft :p :p :p 12:55:32 <Ammler> hmm, the private flag should also disable showing the channels you are in 12:55:42 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db87e13.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:21 <dihedral> Ammler, why bother setting that?? 12:57:42 <Ammler> me doesn't, but it would help TB maybe. 12:57:59 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has joined #openttd 12:58:13 <dihedral> no - we are not the people who need the help :-P 12:58:24 <dihedral> it's those who want to join and dont get why they are not welcome 12:59:16 <SpComb> mm, overlay manager with jump table 12:59:29 <SpComb> sounds a bit like the dynamic library stuff in ELF 13:00:57 <Rubidium> maybe because it is? 13:01:49 <TrueBrain> not really: a dynamic library is resolved on first call, and stays loaded 13:01:56 <TrueBrain> overlays unload themself when ever they seem fit 13:04:48 <SpComb> well, I presume you can unload libraries as well 13:05:31 <TrueBrain> that is something completely different :) 13:07:41 *** boekabart___ [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has joined #openttd 13:08:08 *** masacre_ [~masacre@wlan-145-94-174-25.wlan.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:12:46 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:55 <Belugas> hello 13:17:16 <Muxy> Canada Hi ! 13:18:00 <Belugas> Hello sweet France :) 13:21:16 *** boekabart___ is now known as boekabart 13:24:39 <Rubidium> Hello Canada 13:33:00 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@44.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 13:33:07 <SpComb> speaking of game remakes, I'd love to see one for Settlers II 13:34:04 <Belugas> Hello to Netherlands, and to Spain too :) 13:34:31 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:17 <blathijs> SpComb: There is an official remake of Settlers II, which is very playable 13:36:21 <SpComb> yeah, the 10th Anniversary one 13:36:26 <blathijs> SpComb: And actually, I think there is a game called "Widelands", which is exactly an open source Settlers II 13:36:34 <blathijs> Not sure if it's still alive, though 13:36:35 <Terkhen> hello :) 13:37:24 <SpComb> new build on 2009-09-27 13:37:28 <blathijs> Hmm, it's last release was a week ago :-) 13:37:47 <blathijs> It looks better than when I last checked it a few years ago :-) 13:38:09 <SpComb> but I guess with ubisoft you can't just rip off the origional GFX 13:38:31 *** Terkhen [~terkhen@44.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 13:38:56 * SpComb plays the DOS version on XP at 1024x768 res :( 13:39:31 <TinoDidriksen> I'd rather want an updated version of Settlers 1...best Settlers in the series. 13:43:18 *** green-devil [Lisby@d40a9796.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #openttd 13:43:20 *** green-devil [Lisby@d40a9796.rev.stofanet.dk] has left #openttd [] 13:44:03 <SpComb> http://www.siedler25.org/ <-- ah, there you go 13:44:18 <SpComb> I've only ever played II, I had a look at 3/4 some time but meh 13:44:58 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@44.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 13:46:03 <blathijs> Hmm, that's a pretty young problem 13:46:06 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a siedler 2 sequel (based on old gameplay) recently 13:46:20 <blathijs> SpComb: You haven't missed a thing about 3 and 4 :-) 13:46:32 <Eddi|zuHause> but i haven't played it myself 13:46:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 13:46:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i spent a lot of time playing 2 ;) 13:47:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but i recall the ships were a little buggy 13:47:26 <TinoDidriksen> I've spend days playing single Settlers 1 games; no opponents, just building out the whole map. 13:47:29 <blathijs> Hmm, I think those siedler25 might get some copyright trouble regarding their website... I'd say somebody still knows about his copyright, due to release the anniversary edition... 13:48:03 <TinoDidriksen> I'd leave my Amiga on for days with the same game running. 13:49:30 <SpComb> I spent six hours on the the one map last weekend, wiped out the pesky opponents and then eventually filled all of my military buildings up with soldiers, and got about halfway to making them all generals before I had to stop :) 13:50:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Siedler 1 was a bit unstable (especially starting it was a game of roulette) 13:51:08 <Eddi|zuHause> might have been an incompatibility with novell dos, though 13:51:27 <SpComb> most annoying point I had was a million guardhouses with one general each out in the middle of my country, and then all the active places on the border were full of newbies :( 13:51:42 <SpComb> ended up flushing them out by fiddling around with the military settings, heh 13:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i fail to checkout their svn repository 13:58:14 <SpComb> their websvn at least lacks the 2.5 code 14:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, the real code seems to be here: https://code.launchpad.net/s25rttr 14:04:08 <blathijs> SpComb: The anniversary edition allows you to evacuate a military building to fix those things 14:39:29 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has joined #openttd 14:40:09 <SpComb> hmm boo, it isn't working very well on my desktop for some reason 14:41:39 <SpComb> firstly the DOS fullscreen stuff causes my GPU to not do 1:1 scaling, plus the mouse cursor is buggy 15:10:55 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA052.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:10:58 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 15:16:05 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-250.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:21:19 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@d515370C5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:21:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fed6a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:31 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has quit [Ping 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constructor; unduplicate if and don't set a value to 0 if it already is 0. 17:35:36 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:52 *** Guest425 [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:43:42 <Eddi|zuHause> someone is onto these cargopackets suddenly ;) 17:44:07 <TrueBrain> he got shipped wrongly, so he needs to correct that 17:45:15 <Rubidium> nah, only the "automatically understand GCC/LTO and fix the problems I'm facing" wasn't shipped properly 17:45:19 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17723 /trunk/src/lang/traditional_chinese.txt: 17:45:19 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:19 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 1 changes by josesun 17:45:22 <Rubidium> woosh! 17:45:38 <Rubidium> more commit message than actual change 17:48:03 <Prof_Frink> "1 changes" 17:50:08 <frosch123> 20120 change left 17:50:20 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: the solution is simple: next time you have to make sure it never commits 1 single string for any given language 17:50:23 <TrueBrain> up for that task? :) 17:55:19 <Noldo> :) 17:58:19 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226152205.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:58:49 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: I'd rather go climbing. 17:58:54 <TrueBrain> good choice 17:59:13 <Prof_Frink> http://www.alanblanchflower.co.uk/gallery2/v/090927_Sun-Rock/ 17:59:23 <_ln> 2277 revisions until cake party. 18:02:23 <Eddi|zuHause> so.. how do you plan to get everybody to your place? :p 18:04:19 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE97da.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 18:05:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:05:51 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051186120.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:51 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:14:11 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:10 *** Chris_Booth 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some unneeded/unused parameters. 19:41:16 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:47:25 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 19:50:47 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-43.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 19:52:04 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:52:48 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17727 /trunk/src/ (cargopacket.cpp cargopacket.h saveload/station_sl.cpp): -Codechange: some coding style and documentation fixes 19:52:50 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17728 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): -Cleanup: Remove some more unneeded/unused parameters. 19:56:55 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r17729 /trunk/src/build_vehicle_gui.cpp: -Cleanup: Deduplicate some code. 19:57:15 <Rubidium> dedup's good :) 19:58:00 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.76] has joined #openttd 20:01:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.161.190.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:30 *** Terkhen 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20:38:35 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@44.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 20:38:53 *** Markk_ is now known as Markk 20:39:12 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has left #openttd [] 20:39:29 <Muxy> a question about windget in a window... 20:39:49 <Muxy> i have some panels widgets and 2 button (images) 20:39:54 <Alberth> one with a short answer? 20:39:56 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 20:40:16 <Muxy> when i click on one of the pannel, its lowered 20:40:42 <Muxy> and the one lowered before is raised, like radio button in windows(tm) 20:41:04 <Muxy> i have also as said 2 pushimgbtn 20:41:28 <Muxy> when i click on the pushimgbutn, the the lowered pannel is raised... 20:41:40 <Muxy> is there a way to avoid this ? 20:42:25 <frosch123> do you want normal push-buttons, or do you want checkbox like buttons that stay lowered? 20:42:36 <Alberth> you do raiseWidget somewhere? 20:43:44 <Muxy> i have 2 sets of buttons : panel who are lowered and raised when cliked on it, and pushimgbtn just after 20:45:02 <Muxy> i dont want the panel lowerd be raised when clicking on the pushimgbtn 20:45:14 <Muxy> (lowered panel) 20:46:32 <Muxy> is there a window working like i want in OpenTTD ? 20:47:01 <Alberth> perhaps the station place gui ? 20:47:48 <Muxy> station place ? the one used to built station ? 20:48:23 <Muxy> or the one with the company stations list ? 20:49:14 <Muxy> the station list... 20:49:43 <Alberth> no the station picker with the #tracks and #length of platforms and direction of station 20:51:23 <Muxy> all butons are panel lo/ra 21:05:20 <Alberth> in trunk, you must call 'this->RaiseWidget(num)' to raise a widget yourself. the window system only raises push buttons itself. (this is different in 0.7.x source). So if you don't make that call, the widget stays lowered afaik. 21:05:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.161.190.plusnet.thn-ag1.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 21:06:38 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17730 /trunk/src/ (cargopacket.cpp cargopacket.h): -Codechange: do not cache the source of a packet in the cargo list. It's only used for (some) GUI/NewGRF purposes so precalculating it costs more than calculating when it's actually used. 21:07:09 <Muxy> yeap raising and lowering widget is ok 21:07:52 <Muxy> but when i have one of the panel lowered and i click a pushimgbtn, then my panel is raised 21:08:18 <Alberth> what source code are you working in? 0.7.x ? 21:08:25 <Muxy> 0.7.3 21:09:03 <Alberth> yes. I changed that behaviour in trunk. previously, all buttons were raised as you noticed. 21:09:08 <Muxy> its when the push_imgbtn depressed itself 21:09:24 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has joined #openttd 21:09:45 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:47 <Muxy> okay, thx 21:10:13 <Alberth> I think there is a call where you can hook into. 21:10:28 <Muxy> i will let it like this, and it will be okay later... when your modif will be merged 21:11:02 <Alberth> void DecreaseWindowCounters() is the function you need to look in. 21:11:05 <Alberth> window.cpp 21:11:14 <Muxy> aha 21:11:19 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has joined #openttd 21:11:41 <Alberth> w->OnTimeout(); implement raising of buttons in this function of your window 21:12:19 <Alberth> and remove WDF_UNCLICK_BUTTONS from the WindowDesc to prevent auto raising. 21:12:38 <Alberth> (at least in trunk, probably in 0.7 too, but you should check 21:12:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17731 /trunk/src/ (cargopacket.cpp cargopacket.h): -Codechange: do not cache a boolean which states whether some other variable is not 0. 21:13:35 <Alberth> in this way you have to do it all yourself, so you have full control. 21:13:51 <Alberth> gtg now, good luck. 21:14:00 <Muxy> in the w->timeout() i can call the paint() 21:14:24 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fed6a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:14:39 <Muxy> hum may be it's no good, better make another function called from paint & timeout 21:15:07 <Muxy> thx Alberth 21:15:09 <Alberth> no, in timeout, raise any button, and call SetDirty on the same widget. 21:15:29 <Alberth> in OnPaint(), just paint :) 21:15:31 <Alberth> bye 21:15:34 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:19:33 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17732 /trunk/src/ (cargopacket.cpp cargopacket.h): -Codechange: reorder some variables of cargo packets/cargo lists to get better alignment *and* smaller structs; both from 40 bytes to 32 bytes on 64 bits. 21:20:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21:37 *** boekabart [~boekabart@pizzapazzi.com] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 21:24:17 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17733 /trunk/src/ (cargopacket.cpp cargopacket.h): 21:24:17 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Codechange: store the 'days in transit' cache as the sum of the days in transit 21:24:17 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: instead of the average; the variable isn't requested that often (primarily 21:24:17 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: station NewGRFs) that the dividing/testing for dividing by 0 step needs to be 21:24:17 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: cached. 21:24:19 <Muxy> okay, it works... 21:25:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-27-177-5.popl.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:41:38 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@122.72.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:46:49 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 21:55:14 <Nickman87> Ammler, you here? :) 21:56:02 <Ammler> Nickman87: hello :-) 21:56:39 <Nickman87> long time no see eh ;) 21:57:01 <Nickman87> I just finished updating the sign list filter patch ;) 22:00:32 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 22:00:50 <SmatZ> great :) 22:02:41 <Nickman87> where can I upload a new patch? 22:04:27 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA052.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause> forum? bug tracker? 22:05:42 <Nickman87> I can post it in the old thead, thats a possibility :) 22:06:26 <Nickman87> One thing I cant get right, I want my button to be visually pushed in and come back out, but I can't get it to work, any ideas? 22:06:39 <Nickman87> I've looked at another example, but cant get it right... 22:08:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Something about LowerWidget and RaiseWidget or so 22:08:54 <Nickman87> Yeah, I tried that, but when I add a raiseWidget call, it imediatly does it without lowering :) 22:08:59 <SmatZ> there's a function that will make the button lower and raise again after a while 22:09:04 <SmatZ> something like HandleButtonClick 22:09:06 <SmatZ> or so 22:11:58 <Nickman87> do I need the "OnTimeout" function to then? 22:15:10 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DDDE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Joyful it seems - but then suddenly - by one false move it's blown away] 22:15:45 <Nickman87> yay, it works now! 22:15:47 <Nickman87> :) 22:16:27 <SmatZ> :) 22:23:16 *** FHS [~FHS@126-149-63-194.dynip.ebmnet.ch] has joined #openttd 22:24:00 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 22:24:20 *** FHS [~FHS@126-149-63-194.dynip.ebmnet.ch] has quit [] 22:24:52 * Muxy is aware of OnTimeOut() 22:25:34 <Nickman87> Ammler, SmatZ: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=38715&p=823131#p823131 22:26:17 <Ammler> Nickman87: ready for next gui patch? 22:26:20 <Ammler> :-) 22:26:35 <Nickman87> you mean the station GUI? :D 22:26:36 <Ammler> newgrfs or station 22:26:41 <Nickman87> hehe :D 22:26:55 <SmatZ> nice :) 22:27:00 <SmatZ> why norev000? 22:27:24 <Nickman87> yeah, in my VS setup the revision isn't added automaticly... 22:27:32 <Nickman87> and I'm to lazy to change it :D 22:27:40 <Nickman87> you tolk me how to fix it last time I think... :D 22:28:24 <Nickman87> told* 22:28:57 <SmatZ> :) 22:32:11 <Ammler> or simply install mingw/msys 22:32:29 <Ammler> (buildottd) 22:34:04 <Nickman87> yeah, I have that installed... :D 22:34:26 <Rubidium> if only someone would release a fixed buildottd] 22:34:47 <Nickman87> :) 22:37:48 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:48 <Nickman87> hmmm, seems like I have a bug... 22:45:42 <Ammler> well, bottd is still good as installer for using make 22:46:04 <Nickman87> I can't load a game anymore, going to try with clean svn... 22:46:44 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:46:57 <Rubidium> Nickman87: use an older savegame :) 22:47:08 <Nickman87> I am ;) 22:47:15 <Rubidium> not old enough ;) 22:47:27 <Rubidium> like... 0.6 (or maybe 0.5) old 22:47:38 <Nickman87> ah 22:47:39 <Nickman87> :D 22:47:43 <Nickman87> why use old savegames? 22:47:54 <Rubidium> because I uhm... 22:48:00 <Nickman87> yep, trunk is broken? 22:48:17 <Nickman87> Unhandled exception at 0x00a27e9f in openttd.exe: 0xC0000005: Access violation reading location 0x00000004. 22:48:24 <Nickman87> Pretty useless like this I guess :) 22:48:50 <Nickman87> in std::list... :p 22:50:10 <Nickman87> I'll try an older save 22:50:12 <Nickman87> PSG 90 22:50:58 <Nickman87> Still not loading :s 22:51:41 <Rubidium> the intro game loads ;) 22:52:23 <Nickman87> :D 22:52:34 <Nickman87> trying r17720 22:52:42 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8798e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:26 <Nickman87> now I get an assert failure :D 22:56:03 <Rubidium> just revert to 17700 or wait :) 22:56:10 <StM> tss ;) isnt it forbidden to commit broken builds? :> 22:56:17 <Nickman87> Have to go to sleep... will look again tomorrow or so ;) 22:56:35 <Nickman87> I'll just wait for a new revision ;) 22:56:55 <Rubidium> but... it builds 22:57:09 <Nickman87> yeah, but it doesnt load! :D 22:57:12 <Nickman87> cya later! 22:57:20 <StM> Rubidium ok ok :p 22:57:42 <Rubidium> Nickman87: but it does load the intro game, which is just an old savegame 22:57:44 <Nickman87> night all 22:57:50 <Nickman87> yeah, that is strange... 22:58:09 <Nickman87> With the latest revision, it is somewhere in the loadsave part where it crashes so... 22:58:18 <Nickman87> Will look again tomorrow :) 22:58:22 <Nickman87> now, sleep ;) 22:58:29 <StM> build it with debug symbols and you know where :> 22:59:10 <Nickman87> I did, but closed it already ;) 22:59:30 <Rubidium> StM: actually, it's unlikely that he will find it quickly 22:59:43 <StM> :) 22:59:55 <Rubidium> but that's more due the nastiness of the bug 23:00:16 <Nickman87> yeah, I don't think I'll be able to pinpoint the exact cause of it :D 23:01:23 <StM> Blerg it looks that in the NoAI framework no code exists to get a tilelist of x tiles around a tile :( 23:01:51 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17734 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r17732): broke the assumption that 'this->packets == this', which broke loading old savegames. Now remove the (need for the) hack that needed that assumption. 23:02:32 <StM> is the id calculated like (x + (y*mapSizeX)? :) 23:02:39 <Rubidium> StM: AITileList::AddRectangle? 23:03:18 <Rubidium> StM: something like that, not sure about the exact formula; can't be bothered to look it up 23:03:19 <StM> I want a rectangle where a tile is the center of the rectangle with a size of Z 23:03:52 <Rubidium> request it at the forum, maybe Yexo can be bothered to implement it in the API 23:04:06 <Rubidium> (or tell you what function to actually use) 23:04:11 <StM> :) 23:05:25 <Yexo> StM: AITileList.AddRectangle(tile - AIMap.GetTileIndex(-2, -2), tile + AIMap.GetTileIndex(2, 2)) should so what you want 23:05:36 <Yexo> given that tile is at least 2 tiles away from the border of the map 23:05:46 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEad17.bae.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 23:06:43 <StM> tnx :) 23:08:21 *** Nickman87 [~nick.defr@d515370C5.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:21 *** fonsinchen [~alve@BAE97da.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:45 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has quit [Quit: PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 23:13:01 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:27:32 <StM> Thats doesnt work Yexo AIMap.GetTileIndex(-2,-2) gives -1,-1 23:27:48 <StM> or waiyt 23:27:49 <StM> wai 23:27:50 <StM> t 23:27:52 <Yexo> uhm, what? 23:27:59 <StM> pff 23:28:02 <Yexo> AIMap.GetTileIndex returns a single integer 23:28:09 <StM> yes 23:28:17 <StM> make a mistake in thinking 23:30:47 <StM> AITileList.AddRectangle(tile - AIMap.GetTileIndex(2, 2), tile + AIMap.GetTileIndex(2, 2)) works :)) 23:31:03 <Yexo> right 23:31:10 <Yexo> now I see the error in my line 23:31:28 <Yexo> + AIMap.GetTileIndex(-2, -2) should do the same as - AIMap.GetTileIndex(2, 2) 23:31:29 <StM> Now do i get more realistic results :> 23:31:33 <StM> yap :p 23:32:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77E27.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:33:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:34:03 *** fonsinchen1 [~alve@BAEad17.bae.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:40:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-215-153.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:43:49 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44:06 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:44:55 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:07 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 23:46:36 *** welshdragon [~markjones@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: 5 ] 23:49:47 *** Muxy [~Benoit@smtp.bdelalande.net] has joined #openttd 23:50:15 <Muxy> Hi Yexo, seen your post 23:50:52 <Yexo> hello Muxy 23:51:04 <Yexo> ah, I was wrong indeed 23:51:38 <Muxy> But _current_company is CompanyByte. But i thought there was some mistake in the function declaration, but cant see 23:52:23 <Muxy> other idea in mind ? 23:52:38 <Yexo> what file did you create WatchCompany in? 23:52:45 <Yexo> did you also add that file to the msvc project file? 23:52:59 <Muxy> i used the existing smallmap_gui.cpp 23:53:28 <Yexo> can you upload your diff? 23:53:51 <Muxy> oh yeap, let me do it... 23:55:47 <Muxy> done 23:59:42 <Muxy> anyway, it's late, have some rest. Thx for looking. night everybody !