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Log for #openttd on 3rd November 2009:
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00:00:56  <Sacro> TrueBrain: any chance you can get the openttd site to set the font color please
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00:01:17  <Sacro> when you have a light font in linux you can't read the dropdowns on the download page
00:02:17  <TrueBrain> better?
00:03:34  <Sacro> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable
00:03:37  <Sacro> the dropdowns :(
00:03:41  <TrueBrain> reload
00:03:45  <TrueBrain> (hard reload, css change)
00:03:58  <Sacro> wasn't that ctrl+f5?
00:04:06  <TrueBrain> how should I know what browser you use?
00:04:22  <Eddi|zuHause> read the access logs? :p
00:04:24  <Sacro> heh
00:04:32  <Sacro> hmmmm
00:04:38  <Sacro> can't install 0.7.3 deb on karmic
00:04:39  <TrueBrain> all IPs are 10.42.42.8 .. not helpful :p
00:04:44  <TrueBrain> focus! :p
00:04:53  <Sacro> seriously ubuntu
00:04:58  <Sacro> ><
00:05:46  <Eddi|zuHause> i suggested statically linking to libicu, but nobody was picking up on that
00:05:57  <Sacro> h,,
00:06:00  <Sacro> *hmm
00:06:03  <Sacro> TrueBrain: nope
00:06:18  <TrueBrain> so it doesn't listen to html color
00:06:20  <TrueBrain> stupid
00:06:26  <Sacro> yeah
00:06:30  <Sacro> i only have libicu40
00:06:34  <Sacro> bah
00:06:37  <Sacro> hating ubuntu ><
00:06:50  <Sacro> aside from the uber sexy font rendering
00:06:52  <Sacro> it sucks
00:06:55  <TrueBrain> Sacro: better?
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00:07:10  <Sacro> TrueBrain: perfect
00:07:22  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
00:07:23  <TrueBrain> select {
00:07:25  <TrueBrain>         color: black;
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00:07:26  <TrueBrain> }
00:07:28  <TrueBrain> lovely :p
00:07:29  <Eddi|zuHause> Sacro: there are threads in the forum about ubuntu/libicu
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00:07:47  <Sacro> tbh i might remove linux and go for a hackintosh
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00:08:30  <Eddi|zuHause> you mean the os that is not supported by openttd?
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00:09:12  <TrueBrain> hmm .. I was so happy I managed to compile OpenDUNE for 10.4+ with ppc and i386, and 10.6 with x86_64 :)
00:09:33  <TrueBrain> static binary :) (stupid libSDL, required 10.6 for x86_64 :p)
00:09:49  <TrueBrain> k, off to bed, night all
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04:09:59  <Rhamphoryncus> aww, limit of 16 bus stops in 1 station :(
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07:55:05  <Rubidium> bah... why must canonical release an ubuntu vista edition?
07:56:14  <SirSquid1ess> ... a what?
07:56:56  <Rubidium> a version that breaks way more than it fixes
07:58:17  <SirSquid1ess> lol.
08:05:48  <dihedral> Rubidium, 9.10? ^^
08:09:33  <Rubidium> no, 10.5 ofcourse!
08:09:46  <Rubidium> bah... lag :(
08:19:56  * Rubidium ponders taking dial-up for its incerased speeds; it ought to beat Fetched 176kB in 3min 7s (937B/s)
08:22:35  <dihedral> depends on the location of those 176KB
08:23:51  <Rubidium> by car, when all traffic lights are green and there's no traffic, yet staying with speed limits: less than those 3min 7s
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08:33:52  <Rubidium> woei... speeds have gone up by a factor 1000+ again :)
08:34:12  <Rubidium> and pings down by a factor 100
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09:52:31  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17961 /trunk/known-bugs.txt: -Document: also document the hanging of SDL on quiting if it 'talks' to PulseAudio via its virtual ALSA device
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11:13:35  <SmatZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_fVK-XjjC8 hehe :) (only german/slovak)
11:14:44  <Forked> hehe :( I feel excluded
11:16:03  <dihedral> the vid is great SmatZ
11:16:04  <dihedral> ^^
11:16:22  <SmatZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55AMfNtJy-4 oh this one is in english :)
11:16:25  <SmatZ> dihedral: :-)
11:19:19  <yorick> ooh, winston smith in one of the scans :D
11:22:08  <SmatZ> really? :)
11:23:57  <yorick> 2:05
11:25:01  <yorick> also notice the backward spelling of Orwell on the next name
11:25:17  <Rubidium> you didn't know that already?
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11:38:41  <Fast2> SmatZ: The video is made by the "Piratenpatei".
11:46:54  <Rubidium> Fast2: thus? It's not true by definition and whatever the current government says is true by definition?
11:51:05  <Fast2> Rubidium: I don't think I said this. (As far as I comprehended/got your message)
11:54:53  <Rubidium> with the bashing of those pirate(partie)s lately saying something is made by them gives it a "it's bad/incorrect/a lie" hidden message
11:54:55  <SmatZ> Fast2: just another bonus point for them ;)
11:55:32  <SmatZ> Rubidium: bashing? not here... but maybe it would be better if they were "bashed", they are hardly ever in news here :-/
11:55:44  <SmatZ> (our piratenpartei)
11:55:58  <Rubidium> it's more in general; the whole pirate bay stuff
11:56:49  <Fast2> Rubidium: The opposite is true for me (because I like the Piraten)
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12:05:39  <Rubidium> Fast2: I don't like the legalised blackmailing in the media industry either
12:07:48  <Rubidium> (or in the banking or in the healthcare or ...)
12:08:25  <SmatZ> blackmailing in healthcare?
12:09:30  <SmatZ> prescripting intentionaly pills from one given company (who sponsored your "study" holidays?)
12:10:05  <Rubidium> "you won't get paid if you don't do this or that"
12:11:08  <Rubidium> be it prescribe the cheapest drugs even if they obviously don't work or saying that they don't insure you at all because you have a pre-existing condition, e.g. astma
12:11:37  <Forked> I read "laid" and not "paid" .. but I guess it's all the same
12:12:09  <Eddi|zuHause> haha :p
12:12:12  <SmatZ> :-)
12:13:04  <SmatZ> [13:11:08] <Rubidium> be it prescribe the cheapest drugs even if they obviously don't work or saying that they don't insure you at all because you have a pre-existing condition, e.g. astma <== that's why I don't support commercial health insurance
12:13:38  <SmatZ> similiar, paying higher car insurance because you are <30 years old
12:13:52  <SmatZ> but if you had to pay because you are black, it would be discrimination
12:14:03  <SmatZ> or woman :-p
12:14:32  <Rubidium> or old!
12:14:38  <SmatZ> hehe very true
12:14:58  <TrueBrain> or SmatZ! (what is the conversation about? :p)
12:15:02  <SmatZ> ;-)
12:15:20  <SmatZ> TrueBrain: disadvantages of commercial insurrance
12:15:26  <TrueBrain> ah ;)
12:18:17  <SmatZ> though then politics use arguments like "why should people pay higher insurrance when there are smokers who take more money from the system?"
12:18:27  <SmatZ> attacking on right-winded people's envy
12:18:45  <SmatZ> which is funny as envy is often thought as property of socialists :-p
12:19:25  <SmatZ> society (nation) should work as whole, support each other
12:20:32  <Rubidium> oh SmatZ... with those ideas your a communists in the US (though I agree)
12:20:32  <SmatZ> when there are too many smokers, it's a problem of society, and there are other ways to reduce smoking (ban of ads, higher taxes)
12:20:35  <fonsinchen> society and nation are different concepts - especially in this context. The difference is exactly that between a left-wing and a right-wing argument ...
12:21:19  <SmatZ> for extreme-right-wing it's a difference
12:22:12  <fonsinchen> nation doesn't include immigrants and defines inclusion by heritage.
12:22:27  <Noldo> why should people pay higher taxes because of the self inflicted health problems of the smokers?
12:22:28  <fonsinchen> society defines inclusion by place of living
12:23:26  <fonsinchen> I mean the term "nation" and the term "society"
12:24:23  <SmatZ> Noldo: because they live in the same country
12:24:34  <SmatZ> (to avoid use of society/nation)
12:25:11  <SmatZ> as a note, I am not smoker
12:26:14  <SmatZ> also, once you start to differentiate between smokers and non-smokers, there is just a little step to differentiating between people with "healthy" and "unhealthy" genes
12:26:50  <Noldo> one is an action a person chooses and one is not
12:26:51  <SmatZ> (also, when someone smokes 1 cigarette/week, is he a smoker? 1/year? 1/day?)
12:27:12  <SmatZ> Noldo: then you can say overweight people should pay more
12:27:27  <SmatZ> then you have to decide whether it's because of their genes or not
12:27:30  <SmatZ> and blah blah
12:27:53  <SmatZ> it's simplest not to differentiate between people
12:28:00  <SmatZ> also most equal for all
12:28:29  <Rubidium> Noldo: but is being young/old or having astma something you choose to be?
12:28:37  <SmatZ> apart from spokers consuming more money from the healthcare system, I don't think their life is any better (and they die younger anyway)
12:29:06  <SpComb^> 555555555555
12:29:21  <Noldo> Rubidium: I sense a trap, but no it isn't
12:29:29  <SmatZ> I am using this example of smokers because they are often thought as group of people who should pay higher health insurrance
12:29:43  <SmatZ> and I am explaining why I think it's bad attitude from the beginning
12:30:32  <Rubidium> Noldo: then why are people with astma or people with old-age diabetes not accepted for certain health insurances?
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12:31:22  <Noldo> because insurance is a business?
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12:32:07  <Rubidium> if you did something yourself that's extremely dangerous and get sick because of that it's, in my opinion, another story than when it's because of your body being stupid
12:32:13  <SmatZ> and that's what we are talking about - is it good it is  a business?
12:32:31  <SmatZ> sorry, have to go :-x
12:32:34  <SmatZ> I will read logs :)
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12:33:12  <TrueBrain> bye SmatZ :)
12:34:30  <Chris_Booth> just to add to the fat people argument, lots of airline in the USA have started to charge fat people for 2 seats
12:34:41  <Chris_Booth> is that a good or a bad thing?
12:37:37  <Rubidium> Chris_Booth: if the fatness isn't caused by a valid medical condition I'd say it's fair, although... it might be better to just weigh them with clothes and luggage and calculate the price based on that
12:39:29  <Forked> it's not the airlines fault that some people weigh more than others.. should they take the extra cost? life is unfair, not just for the heavy people.
12:40:52  <Sacro> damn i misesd a good convo
12:41:01  <Sacro> i love discussing the US healthcare system
12:41:05  <Chris_Booth> well Forked the airlines dont charge small people less do they? well in a sence they do with kids but with if your a dwarf or a midget you still pay the same
12:41:06  <Sacro> < socialist
12:41:24  <Sacro> i hate the arbitrary weight limits on luggage
12:41:36  <Sacro> how come if it is 5kg over it gets penalised
12:41:38  <Noldo> Sacro: socialist by US standards?
12:41:45  <Sacro> wheras if i'm a fat bastard it's fine
12:42:00  * Sacro will next try eating his luggage
12:42:06  <Chris_Booth> well you know the sollution wear all your luggage
12:42:24  <Sacro> Yeah
12:42:27  <Sacro> it'd be cosy
12:43:23  <Chris_Booth> what i find most annoying is flight to skiing resorts airoprts they charge you more to take your skiis on the plane
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13:20:02  <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: did you ever bring skis to a non-skiing resort?
13:24:46  <Eddi|zuHause> Chris_Booth: increased demand allows for increased prices. primary rule of capitalism
13:25:36  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: that's the secondary rule! Primary rule is: short term profit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:26:07  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: "primary rule" doesn't mean there's only one such rule
13:26:12  <glx> and don't care about long term problems ;)
13:26:13  <Eddi|zuHause> it could be a set of primary rules
13:27:33  <Rubidium> but then they would be equal
13:27:53  <Rubidium> and there would be a monopoly
13:51:42  <Belugas> ello
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16:08:32  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17962 /trunk/ (known-bugs.txt readme.txt): -Fix: some spelling
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16:59:45  <oskari89> Can automatic train turning when waiting a green light on signal be turned off?
16:59:51  <oskari89> It's very annoying.
16:59:59  <oskari89> On OpenTTD.
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17:02:36  <yorick> oskari89: if you're using path signals, use normal ones
17:02:39  <yorick> they turn faster
17:02:55  <yorick> which makes it surprisingly less annoying
17:03:00  <yorick> because they turn back too
17:04:23  <oskari89> I'm using path singals always.
17:04:55  <yorick> there's your disadvantage
17:05:10  <yorick> they don't automatically turn back instantly with path signals
17:05:32  <yorick> just don't use path signals when normal signals would do exactly the same
17:05:38  <yorick> ;)
17:06:25  <oskari89> It cannot be configured?
17:06:34  <oskari89> No turning at all?
17:07:03  <yorick> it probably can
17:08:20  <Rhamphoryncus> I missed half this conversation..
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17:09:49  <yorick> 17:59 < oskari89> Can automatic train turning when waiting a green light on
17:09:50  <yorick>                   signal be turned off?
17:10:35  <Rhamphoryncus> Ah, there's a variable for that
17:11:04  <Rhamphoryncus> I actually wish it was faster too.  What happens more often is they turn because some track gets destroyed.  Then I have to manually turn them back
17:11:46  <yorick> they turn back automatically with normal signals
17:12:19  <Rhamphoryncus> they'd eventually turn back with path signals.. just takes very long
17:12:28  <Rhamphoryncus> And this is with one-way path signals
17:16:35  <oskari89> Is the variable on config?
17:18:04  <Rhamphoryncus> it's an internal one, you can set it from the config file or from the console
17:18:27  <thingwath> http://wiki.openttd.org/Yet_Another_PBS_Patch#Advanced_patch_options (the first one in the table)
17:18:49  <Rhamphoryncus> beware, it's for turning around at *any* "waiting for a path", so you'll probably get lots of unintended reversals
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17:30:21  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r17963 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: some documentation style
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17:36:50  <Rhamphoryncus> huh, all the attachment links give me 404.  Any idea why?  http://bugs.openttd.org/index.php?do=details&task_id=1128
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17:37:12  <yorick> because attachement.php gives you 404?
17:37:39  <Rhamphoryncus> thanks :P
17:38:15  <yorick> or getfile or whatever this script is called
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17:41:52  <Rubidium> use http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1128 instead of that ancient URL
17:42:43  <Eddi|zuHause> Nov  3 18:41:16 johannes-i kernel: MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 0.
17:42:45  <Eddi|zuHause> Nov  3 18:41:16 johannes-i kernel: Bank 1: 9400400000000152
17:43:03  <Eddi|zuHause> what do i do with such remarks?
17:43:52  <Rubidium> is the hardware still within warranty?
17:44:48  <Rubidium> if so, definitely let them make a notification about this that if your proc breaks on end-of-warranty+1 you can claim you've reported it before the warranty ended and they deemed it unneeded to replace
17:44:57  <_ln> "dear vendor, my computer has a 9400400000000152, can i get a new one through warranty?"
17:47:28  <Eddi|zuHause> no, my computer is definitely out ouf warranty for years
17:48:47  <Rubidium> then implement/review your backup strategy of that machine
17:48:55  <Rhamphoryncus> okay, figured it out.  If I click on start watching it gives me an ancient version of the page, with broken links
17:49:30  <Eddi|zuHause> my backup strategy is "i need a new one" for years...
17:49:45  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe around christmas-ish
17:50:11  <Rhamphoryncus> Rubidium: so where do I report bug tracker bugs to?
17:51:06  <Rubidium> TrueBrain :)... uhm, no the website 'section' of the tracker; see the dropdown in the 'toolbars'
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17:58:35  <Rhamphoryncus> thanks, done
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18:05:40  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: what?
18:06:15  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: remember that you worked on the links for files, not me ;)
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18:07:20  <Rubidium> remember that you worked on flyspray behind proxy?
18:07:28  <yorick> t is like r, but one to the right
18:07:42  <TrueBrain> in this case I think it has to do with your changes :)
18:07:43  <Rubidium> my links for files just added a piece of bogus ignored data to the links
18:08:02  <TrueBrain> somehow the links are relative instead of absolute :p
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18:09:25  <Rubidium> the 'task' part is missing for some stupid reason
18:09:42  <TrueBrain> in the first case the link already contains the 'task' part .. in the second it doesn't
18:16:33  <Rubidium> might be fixed now
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18:43:41  <Terkhen> hello
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18:45:02  <Luukland> Loads of clients tonight :S
18:45:23  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r17964 /trunk/src/lang/ (estonian.txt greek.txt):
18:45:23  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:23  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: estonian - 27 changes by KSiimson
18:45:23  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: greek - 1 changes by fumantsu
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18:50:22  <Luukland> 180 clients, 45 on mine servers :S
18:50:26  <Luukland> 25% :p
18:50:31  <Luukland> Still no 100% xD
18:52:16  <Rubidium> yet they're all using mine!
18:52:20  <andythenorth> hai hai
18:52:29  * Rubidium runs
18:53:00  <Luukland> not a mine >_<
18:53:01  <Luukland> Argh
18:53:08  * Luukland dives down
18:53:50  <Luukland> Seems like some other server stole our servers settings
18:53:58  <Luukland> with solid starting times >_<
18:59:10  <TrueBrain> Rubidium: see see! Now it is at the correct time :) /me is happy :)
19:00:23  <frosch123> TrueBrain: let's see what happens in 5 months
19:00:49  <TrueBrain> that is in the future; I don't care about the future right now :p
19:10:08  <Rhamphoryncus> anybody got a favourite timetable separation patch that applies cleanly to trunk or cargodist?
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