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Log for #openttd on 30th November 2009:
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07:49:00  <Sacro> IF NOT a = 7 THEN
07:49:02  <Sacro> if(!(( a  ) == (  6  )))
07:49:05  <Sacro> bah
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08:46:50  <bartavelle> hello
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09:36:42  <fonsinchen> 'ello
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10:19:13  <Eddi|zuHause> <_ln> fjb: Do you have age limits for books in libraries? <-- yes, books, like films and games, may be declared "harmful to youth", and must be kept inaccessible for people under 18 years.
10:19:57  <Eddi|zuHause> this is not only limited to pornography
10:20:43  <Eddi|zuHause> also "anticonstitutional" stuff, like nazi propaganda
10:20:47  <Eddi|zuHause> or violence
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10:44:55  <Terkhen> hello
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10:55:49  <dihedral> number of servers is increasing :-S
10:55:59  <dihedral> 179 servers ouch
10:56:00  <petern> and the number of players?
10:56:05  <dihedral> 94
10:56:07  <petern> lol
10:56:15  <dihedral> compared to 140 servers and 104 clients :-P
10:56:18  <dihedral> pffft
10:56:56  <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's not exceptionally unexpected that the number of players is low during the day...
10:57:04  <Eddi|zuHause> check back during the evening...
10:58:13  <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, but the number of servers is still quite high
10:58:14  <petern> it's evening in some countries :s
10:58:49  <Eddi|zuHause> petern: but the majority of players is from europe
10:58:56  <dihedral> looks like people are more enjoying being a lonely openttd admin rather than a company manager ^^
10:59:09  <Rubidium> openttd admin?
10:59:22  <Rubidium> they fire up a server and forget about it
10:59:23  <dihedral> openttd game server admin
10:59:28  <dihedral> aye
10:59:42  <dihedral> i did want to add "a bad one too" in brackets ^^
10:59:42  <Rubidium> which is not quite adminy at all
11:00:13  <dihedral> hehe :P
11:01:06  <Rubidium> fonsinchen: what compiler do you use?
11:01:10  <dihedral> but "they are the admin" ... "they are the master of /dev/null" :-P
11:01:28  <Arvid_> (11:20:03) (Eddi|zuHause) this is not only limited to pornography --- in norway, you can have kids by the age of 16, but cant buy porn until you are 18 ^^
11:01:43  <fonsinchen> g++ (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) 4.3.2, but ....
11:02:10  <fonsinchen> the effect happens on my powerpc laptop, but is curiously absent on my x86_64 desktop
11:02:23  <fonsinchen> both using the same OS and same compiler and so on.
11:02:32  <Eddi|zuHause> Arvid_: it's not like anybody can forbid you to have kids, when you are biologically able to do so... [which is somewhere between 12 and 14]
11:02:44  <fonsinchen> so it might be dependent on byte order.
11:02:46  <Rubidium> ah... so that is the important piece of information that has been left out of the bug report
11:03:09  <fonsinchen> I didn't have my desktop around last week.
11:03:17  <fonsinchen> I just noticed that right now
11:03:31  <fonsinchen> I'll add a comment to the FS task
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11:08:08  <Rubidium> fonsinchen: so http://rbijker.net/openttd/fs3333.diff fixes the problem?
11:14:23  <fonsinchen> That little Ibook is somewhat slow ... you'll get an answer in about 15 Minutes.
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11:28:44  <fonsinchen> Rubidium: yes, your patch fixes it.
11:30:05  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18351 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#3333]: endianness issue with saving the zoom level
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11:35:16  <Ch0Hag> Is the ttd music available as midi files?
11:35:28  <Ch0Hag> Or convertable thereto.
11:35:37  <Ch0Hag> I'd like the cheesy music at work occasionally.
11:35:53  <Rubidium> they are midi files
11:36:06  <Ch0Hag> Plain old midi?
11:36:18  <Ch0Hag> Not obfuscated in some weird and wonderful way?
11:37:01  <Eddi|zuHause> no, they are just renamed to .gm
11:37:02  <Rubidium> I guess not; we use midi playback APIs to play it
11:37:38  <Ch0Hag> Nifty.
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11:42:43  <petern> the windows ttd music files are midi
11:42:52  <petern> the dos music is not
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13:53:59  <Ch0Hag> Making gcc angry?
13:54:07  <Ch0Hag> Or maybe gcc is making you angry.
13:55:50  <PeterT> not yet
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13:59:41  <PeterT> ubuntu crashed
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14:08:38  <dihedral> what a great statement!!
14:09:55  <Belugas> hello
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14:10:40  <Eddi|zuHause> most of my crashes (even under windows) were clearly hardware-related
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14:18:01  <Fast2> Good afternoon
14:18:10  <PeterT> afternoon fast2
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14:24:41  <Xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: the fact he managed to crash one of the most user-friendly linux distros around is saying something :P
14:24:48  <Xaroth> (note, one of the)
14:25:48  <Eddi|zuHause> since when is "user friendly" related to "crash resistent"?
14:27:34  <Rubidium> has it ever been? User friendly getting credit vs credit crunch?
14:28:31  <blathijs> I guess there is usually (negative) correlation, so that's some relation, right? :-)
14:28:45  <Fast2> OpenTTD has just crashed, should I write a bug report? (I'm not sure because it's the first time and in trunk). Here's a screenshot of the error message: http://www.LupiUpload.de/file.php/file/cenC7XYBeC
14:29:16  <petern> cargodist
14:29:24  <Rubidium> so not to 'us'
14:29:31  <Rubidium> though fonsinchen might be interested
14:29:36  <petern> that's not "trunk"
14:30:13  <Rubidium> even then it's quite an old version
14:30:46  <Rubidium> and the station view is broken
14:31:16  <fonsinchen> What's wrong with the station view?
14:31:50  <Rubidium> the amount of cargo is incorrectly aligned
14:32:00  <Fast2> petern: I thougt it's trunk because of the name.
14:32:17  <fonsinchen> Should it be right aligned? I must have missed that.
14:32:49  <fonsinchen> Fast2: Do you have a crash.sav, crash.txt or anything similar?
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14:35:30  <Rubidium> fonsinchen: unlikely because based on the fact that the exception window shows up the error handling, i.e. crashlog creator, isn't started
14:35:37  <Rubidium> s/on/off/
14:36:32  <Fast2> fonsinchen: No, but I'll try to reproduce the bug ang coose another option
14:36:49  <fonsinchen> What option?
14:37:00  <Fast2> *ang coose|and choose
14:37:15  <Fast2> Ignore instead of abort
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14:39:13  <fonsinchen> ah, well, we already know this bug. It's the one about the vehicle preview being incorrectly formatted. It has been fixed. Try a newer version.
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14:47:58  <fonsinchen> I think I did the left-aligning on purpose. Like that you can easier spot the indentation for source/via/destination.
14:48:29  <fonsinchen> What's the problem about the amount of cargo being left aligned?
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14:50:48  <Rubidium> fonsinchen: it draws the text over the images making both less readable
14:51:32  <fonsinchen> Maybe I'll right-align the text for general cargo entries and left-align source/via/destination
14:52:23  <fonsinchen> brr, looks ugly.
14:52:52  <fonsinchen> I guess the images have to be drawn right-aligned then.
15:05:02  <Eddi|zuHause> SQL Error:
15:05:03  <Eddi|zuHause> 145 - Table './ttmain/mybb_posts' is marked as crashed and should be repaired
15:05:20  <Eddi|zuHause> (on tt-ms.de)
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16:36:24  <PeterT> @calc 1285-1232
16:36:24  <DorpsGek> PeterT: 53
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16:42:14  <Timmaexx> Hello
16:43:01  <PeterT> Hi Tammaexx
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18:33:36  <Forked> how come a thread about cargo distribution is suddenly a support thread for compiling? :\
18:34:27  <Belugas> "I can't compile that patch.  Can you help?"
18:34:30  <Belugas> and there is goes ...
18:34:34  <Belugas> seen more than once
18:34:55  <Forked> well as long as the patch is realistic..
18:34:57  <Belugas> "i'm too lazy to understand by myself.  Push the buttons for me"
18:34:59  * Forked hides
18:35:01  <Forked> ;D
18:35:10  <Belugas> :)
18:35:25  <Belugas> i'm in a good mood today.  Lucky you ;)
18:35:35  <Forked> heheh
18:41:48  <Rubidium> Forked: because each thread with 'interesting' patches ends up being a support thread for compiling
18:45:20  * fjb hopes that is not the of neither the tread nor the patch.
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18:58:06  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r18352 /trunk/src/lang/ (14 files): (log message trimmed)
18:58:06  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:58:06  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 35 changes by Maccie123
18:58:06  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 1 changes by josesun
18:58:06  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: croatian - 221 changes by UnderwaterHesus
18:58:07  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: danish - 129 changes by embql
18:58:07  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: dutch - 7 changes by habell
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19:09:47  <flikkflakk> Hello! Is there a way to disable landscaping on a server?
19:10:08  <planetmaker> Not with default versions.
19:12:12  <flikkflakk> So would I need to compile my own? or use nightly?
19:12:44  <planetmaker> You'd need to compile your own after you applied an appropriate patch
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19:14:28  <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/pm/patches/wwottdgd/no_terraform4.diff or http://www.openttdcoop.org/files/pm/patches/wwottdgd/one_tile_tf_r13397.diff might be interesting. Mind that they're outdated by about 5000 revisions.
19:15:38  <planetmaker> one of them is - IIRC - a server-side patch. E.g. you could compile it into the server and people could still use their usual client
19:17:15  <flikkflakk> would it be possible to just increase the price for terraforming on the server?
19:17:31  <planetmaker> via newgrfs, yes
19:18:13  <planetmaker> there's one around which does that... but I don't recall its name nor URL
19:20:01  <flikkflakk> hm, that sounds interesting
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19:21:57  <ashb> one in the 'harder server' thread i think
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19:26:59  <flikkflakk> Bigos Pack - Hard Srver Pack(r18288) this one?
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19:53:59  <PeterT> For any OpenTTD Moderator: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=46065
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20:53:46  <PeterT> @calc 5.16/30
20:53:46  <DorpsGek> PeterT: 0.172
20:53:53  <PeterT> @calc 5.16*30
20:53:53  <DorpsGek> PeterT: 154.8
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20:55:25  <PeterT> @calc 5000/5.16
20:55:25  <DorpsGek> PeterT: 968.992248062
20:56:01  <PeterT> @calc 365*3*5.16
20:56:01  <DorpsGek> PeterT: 5650.2
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21:02:54  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=120728 <-- is there a way that the tunnel glitch for (longer) train wagons can be removed?
21:03:33  <Rubidium> yes, but you won't like it
21:03:39  <frosch123> write a (nice) patch that clips the vehicle sprite
21:03:40  <planetmaker> shorter wagons :-P
21:04:03  <SmatZ> hehe @ Rubidium's aswer
21:04:15  <planetmaker> :-P I guess I was asking for it ;-)
21:05:01  <Rubidium> planetmaker: no, bigger 'normal' tiles, i.e. 66x33 instead of 64x32 (or whatever the correct size is) and remove all 'incorrect' numbers from the source
21:06:06  <planetmaker> that would mean overlapping ground tiles. And would mean to redraw all sprites... doesn't it?
21:06:24  <Rubidium> no, not overlapping ground sprite, just bigger ground sprites
21:06:40  <Rubidium> and yes it means redrawing more sprites than the 'few' wagon sprites
21:07:36  <planetmaker> well... then everything is scaled up a bit. and we end up where we are now with 3 pixels added or so.
21:07:56  <Rubidium> no, you wouldn't make the wagon bigger ofcourse
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21:08:39  <frosch123> btw. planetmaker: are you aware about the used recolouring of houses: http://svn.openttd.org/trunk/src/table/town_land.h
21:09:20  <frosch123> some use the bridge recolouring, some the company colour recolouring, and the churches use their own recolouring
21:09:36  <planetmaker> oh...? They are different?
21:10:09  <planetmaker> I mean... different houses use different re-colour schemes?
21:10:16  <frosch123> yes
21:10:32  <planetmaker> Indeed I didn't know at all.
21:11:17  <frosch123> "C6 C7 C8 C9 CA CB CC CD" <- company colour, "46 47 48 49 4A 4B 4C 4D 4E 4F" <- bridges, "69 6A 6D 6E 72 74 76 77 78 7B" <- church only
21:13:38  <planetmaker> hm, nice
21:13:50  <planetmaker> can I change that for a particular house in a base set?
21:14:25  <frosch123> no :) you can change the recolourtables themself, but that will break newgrfs using them
21:14:37  <planetmaker> that's no option :-)
21:15:06  <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/texts/ttdpalette.txt <- you might find some details about the different recolouring in the middle, but don't ask about the format of that file :p
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21:16:05  <frosch123> PALETTE_TO_STRUCT_xxx are the bridge type of recolouring, PALETTE_59x is the church type, PALETTE_TO_XXX is company colour
21:16:10  <frosch123> (everything afaik)
21:16:30  <planetmaker> hm. That might explain why one of the churches in OpenGFX is so glitchy, too.
21:18:43  <planetmaker> hm... but how does it then work, that a random CC is assigned, if PALETTE_TO_XXX is given expressely?
21:19:33  <frosch123> the same sprites appear multiple times in that table
21:19:56  <planetmaker> Ok, but then on the reverse logic: a house with a spriteID which has PAL_NONE... then a CC part won't ever be anything but the colour it is painted in?
21:20:05  <frosch123> but, maybe some building get some additional random recolouring
21:21:23  <frosch123> 	const DrawBuildingsTileStruct *dcts = &_town_draw_tile_data[house_id << 4 | TileHash2Bit(ti->x, ti->y) << 2 | GetHouseBuildingStage(ti->tile)]; <- that is the important line, so all "random" recolouring is part of that table
21:21:39  <frosch123> only recolourings mentioned in that table are used
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21:24:48  <planetmaker> interesting. No wonder it doesn't work for some houses :-)
21:24:55  <planetmaker> Thanks for enlightening me :-)
21:26:10  <frosch123> hehe, i was concerned about the recolouring in opengfx for quite some while, but never meet someone who would be able to deal with it :)
21:26:17  <frosch123> so, also thanks :)
21:27:41  <planetmaker> well... Now I have the nice task at hand to see which houses actually can use that... that will be joy! ;-)
21:28:41  <planetmaker> In any case, I'll add a note so that it won't get forgotten :-) Thanks a lot for telling me
21:29:00  <frosch123> i guess you can somehow automagically reverse that table to collect the recolourings used for a certain sprite
21:29:59  <planetmaker> yes, some awk, grep or alike magic should be able to do that.
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21:43:19  <Terkhen> http://paste.openttd.org/219279
21:43:37  <Terkhen> I got that error compiling current trunk with MSVC
21:44:12  <Rubidium> oooh... WT3...
21:45:24  <Terkhen> STR_STATION_BUILD_ACCEPTS_CARGO                                 :{BLACK}Prihva?a: {GOLD.aku} <--- here is the line causing the problem
21:46:51  <PeterT> Rubidium: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=46065
21:47:12  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18353 /trunk/src/lang/croatian.txt: -Fix: string colours can't have a case
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21:48:04  <Terkhen> thanks :)
21:48:35  <OutInDark> Can anyone do Voice?
21:48:50  <Belugas> i can sing, if yu which
21:48:59  <OutInDark> lol
21:49:14  <planetmaker> yes, please, Belugas :-)
21:49:28  <OutInDark> Turn on voice
21:49:31  <Belugas> i can kick and i can ban.  why do you want Voice?
21:49:35  <Rubidium> # I hear your voice on the wind
21:49:40  <Rubidium> # And I hear you call out my name
21:49:45  <Belugas> planetmaker, you do NOT want that ;)
21:49:50  <planetmaker> ;-)
21:49:56  <_ln> OutInDark: the Bene Gesserit type of Voice?
21:50:11  <planetmaker> I judge by the instruments ;-)
21:50:12  <OutInDark> The mic voip in irc
21:50:14  <Belugas> that reminds me something Rubidium...  what's that? not Dio...
21:50:31  <planetmaker> OutInDark, are you sure that you know what IRC stands for?
21:50:33  <Belugas> planetmaker, my guit sings better than me :D
21:50:44  <OutInDark> Internet Relay Chat
21:50:57  <planetmaker> and from what time it originates?
21:51:07  <glx> it's from before www :)
21:51:13  <Belugas> :D
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21:51:26  <planetmaker> haha :-)
21:51:28  <Rubidium> anyhow, what's the reason why someone we've never seen before to give them /voice... and now I'm too late
21:51:39  <Belugas> YEAH! another annoyance gone!
21:52:08  <Rubidium> Belugas: no, that was from "The Voice" from "Celtic Woman", whoever they may be
21:52:31  <Belugas> mmh...
21:52:38  * Belugas will search tonigh
21:52:47  <Belugas> and tonigh is coming soon for me :D
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21:54:52  <Rubidium> hmm, it sounds strangely familiar
21:55:10  <planetmaker> sounds actually like a plan...
21:55:33  <Rubidium> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaqQnhBtxaI&feature=video_response
21:57:20  <planetmaker> :-)
21:58:28  <Rubidium> oh, maybe it was when I was looking for the original of one of the tracks on an Amy MacDonald
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21:59:24  <planetmaker> as opposed to many singes she indeed does have a voice.
21:59:30  <planetmaker> s/singes/singers/
22:02:20  <Prof_Frink> I've never heard a sewing machine talk.
22:04:10  <Belugas> GONE!
22:04:13  <Belugas> bye bye
22:04:19  <Rubidium> night
22:04:41  <planetmaker> g'night Belugas, g'night all, also from here
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22:26:29  <Eddi|zuHause> <Prof_Frink> I've never heard a sewing machine talk. <-- that's easy, once you manage to install netbsd on it ;)
22:26:36  <Terkhen> good night
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22:27:04  <Eddi|zuHause> ... good ... night
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22:35:51  <_ln> "it makes very clear who can vote and who cannot; for example, a woman cannot vote but a horse can"
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22:49:35  <Nite_Owl> Hello all
22:49:44  <SmatZ> hello Nite_Owl
22:50:20  <Nite_Owl> Hello SmatZ
22:51:29  <PeterT> Hello SmatZ, hello Nite_Owl
22:51:41  <SmatZ> hello PeterT
22:51:43  <Nite_Owl> Hello PeterT
22:53:25  <Chrill> Hello Nite_Owl, hello SmatZ, hello PeterT
22:53:37  <PeterT> Hello Chrill
22:53:41  <SmatZ> hello Chrill
22:53:45  <Nite_Owl> Hello Chrill
22:53:50  <Chrill> :P
22:53:56  <PeterT> Hello :P
22:54:21  <Prof_Frink> Hello, Brian
22:55:04  <PeterT> Hello Prof_Frink
22:55:51  <Prof_Frink> You're not Brian.
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22:57:58  <Chrill> Who's Brian?
22:58:12  <Prof_Frink> Brian.
22:58:15  <Chrill> Ah
23:03:23  <Eddi|zuHause> you don't know Brian?
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23:59:55  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18354 /branches/0.7/ (10 files in 5 dirs):
23:59:55  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
23:59:55  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: - Fix: Endianness issue with saving the zoom level [FS#3333] (r18351)
23:59:55  <CIA-4> OpenTTD: [0.7] -Prepare for 0.7.4

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