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00:00:15 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 00:00:31 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 00:01:11 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=840482#p840482 00:01:19 <peter1138> ^ we didn't give it the right name ;( 00:02:59 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:55b0:fc6d:1:d8d0:e56a:f0f1:b4df] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:02:59 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 00:04:13 <PeterT> The new installer is GREAT! 00:04:19 <Eddi|zuHause> "Transport Tycoon (Deluxe) (name is still copyrighted)" <-- that's total nonsense 00:04:32 <Eddi|zuHause> names cannot fall under copyright 00:04:49 <Eddi|zuHause> they can only fall under trademark regulations 00:05:03 *** Rubidium changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.7.5, 1.0.0-beta1 | Website: *.openttd.org (BaNaNaS: bananas, translator: translator, server list: servers, nightly-builds: nightly, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | English only 00:07:00 <Rubidium> although I doubt that refering to a product by it's name is a trademark violation 00:08:11 <SpComb^> presenting some other product under that name is 00:09:15 <Eddi|zuHause> presenting another product in the same product class in the same country 00:14:41 <SpComb^> mm, country I don't do about, wasn't there some international facet? :) 00:15:53 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you have to register a trademark in each jurisdiction separately 00:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause> which is why google had so many problems with gmail in germany 00:18:41 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 00:21:59 <sparr> "You can now run OpenTTD without the original Transport Tycoon Deluxe data files, although you can still use them if you like them more." <-- shibby 00:22:26 <blathijs> shibby? 00:22:33 <sparr> "hooray"? 00:22:42 <blathijs> Ah :-) 00:23:43 <Eddi|zuHause> what language is that? :p 00:27:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C2C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:28:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:08 <PeterT> http://wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTD_1.0.0 00:35:45 <peter1138> err 00:35:51 <peter1138> it's not 1.0.0 00:35:58 <orudge> indeed 00:36:53 <PeterT> what is it, then? 00:36:58 <peter1138> 1.0.0-beta1 00:36:59 <orudge> it's 1.0.0-beta1 00:37:00 <orudge> as it says 00:37:06 <PeterT> Go to the damn page, please 00:37:15 <peter1138> OpenTTD 1.0.0 00:37:15 <peter1138> From OpenTTD 00:37:15 <peter1138> Jump to: navigation, search 00:37:15 <peter1138> OpenTTD 0.7.5 | OpenTTD 1.0.0 | Roadmap 1.0 00:37:15 <peter1138> This version was released on 2009-12-24. 00:37:17 <peter1138> OpenTTD's very first 1.0.0 release! 00:37:58 <PeterT> Why did you move it? 00:38:00 <PeterT> Grr 00:38:10 <PeterT> have you looked at: http://wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTD_0.7.5 00:38:15 <PeterT> and all the previous releases? 00:38:24 <PeterT> The Release Clients and betas are mentioned there 00:42:51 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 00:54:24 <welshdragon> ATTENTION! ATTENTION! The 2009 Unofficial TT-Forums Awards Results are in: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=46351&p=841172#p841172 01:06:40 <Dreamxtreme> murr 01:06:59 * Dreamxtreme gives welshdragon a hard drive 01:15:20 * welshdragon eats it 01:29:46 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9543.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-212-153.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:34:51 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:37:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F19A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:14:17 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 02:15:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 02:15:48 <sparr> Eddi|zuHause: english 02:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause> sparr: not the english that i learned at school... 02:16:22 <sparr> which is almost certainly 5-50 years out of date 02:16:59 <Eddi|zuHause> also not the english that i ever read on the internet before... 02:19:35 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2CCC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:20:47 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:20:50 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 02:20:51 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:21:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p5B2B2AC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:21:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 02:23:10 <sparr> by now i'm sure you've searched for it on google and found more info than i am willing to retype here 02:23:15 <sparr> where can I build banks? 02:23:31 <sparr> I keep getting "... can only be built in towns" no matter where I try to build one 02:32:37 <Eddi|zuHause> on top of a house 02:32:48 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 03:09:45 <sparr> thanks Eddi|zuHause 03:09:55 <sparr> seems to require a house with a free space to the west 03:10:05 <sparr> the placement cursor is a single tile, but the bank is two tiles 03:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> the curser is always on the top corner of the industry 03:13:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but it cannot know the size of the industry beforehand 03:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause> because the same industry can randomly chose between different sizes 03:15:51 <sparr> ahh, good to know 04:01:42 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1cf5:7ea7:4848:874d] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:16:23 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 04:36:08 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:36:28 *** chenpanzer [~chenyh@211.74.55.215] has joined #openttd 05:00:05 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 05:12:16 <Sacro> arch 05:12:24 <Sacro> arch dev has made openttd the rc 05:12:26 <Sacro> >< 05:12:36 <Sacro> there's an openttd-beta package for a reason 05:18:04 <Sacro> lol 05:18:12 <Sacro> he's jsut done 0.7.5rc1 05:18:16 <Sacro> and it's arleady out of date 05:19:18 <Sacro> hmm 05:19:20 <Sacro> it requires a sounds set 05:21:06 <Sacro> Hmm 05:21:21 <Sacro> openttd needs a way to automatically grab the opengfx and opensgx from the terminal 05:21:31 <Sacro> like a --download-opengfx 05:41:27 *** weaselboy246 [~weaselboy@67-54-241-148.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #openttd 06:01:02 *** chenpanzer [~chenyh@211.74.55.215] has left #openttd [Ex-Chat] 06:07:11 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 06:28:23 *** weaselboy246 [~weaselboy@67-54-241-148.cust.wildblue.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:48:20 *** robotboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:48:28 *** robotboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 06:49:24 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:50:09 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:03:21 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 07:07:55 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 07:15:44 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:15:48 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:16:29 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:24:59 *** AlienKing [~AlienKing@CPE-67-48-249-120.new.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 07:27:30 <AlienKing> Can someone help me test to see if I set up my port forwarding correctly? 07:29:51 <planetmaker> you can test yourself 07:30:04 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 07:30:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 07:30:10 *** jonty-pie [~jonty@vps.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 07:30:21 <planetmaker> by connecting to a server and/or testing whether your server shows up in the servers list 07:30:25 <planetmaker> @ports 07:30:26 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 07:30:46 <planetmaker> ^ AlienKing 07:31:45 <AlienKing> Right, I did that, I just wasn't sure if the advertising mechanism used only UDP which is working, but possible not TCP 07:32:29 <planetmaker> http://www.openttd.org/en/servers <-- server list. It updates every two? five? minutes 07:34:07 <AlienKing> Ah, I figured it out, I forgot to select advertise 07:34:43 <planetmaker> he 07:35:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.116.67] has joined #openttd 07:44:08 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-27-136-83.winn.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 07:50:04 <planetmaker> what a surprising version string actually for 0.8.0-beta1 :-) 07:51:39 <planetmaker> But true... the baby is coming of age :-) 07:53:15 <peter1138> some people seem to think it must progress from 0.7 to 0.8, 0.9, 1.0 07:53:23 <peter1138> but alas, they're stupid 07:54:09 <roboboy> I do to an extent 07:54:33 <peter1138> well yes, you're in that 'some' ;P 07:54:40 <planetmaker> haha :-P 07:55:15 <peter1138> you know that 0.10 comes after 0.9... 07:55:23 <peter1138> and then where do you stop? 07:55:34 <planetmaker> I thought it was 0.A :-P 07:55:38 <peter1138> 0.99 -> 0.100 (not unheard of) 07:55:44 <peter1138> 0.999 -> 0.1000 07:57:07 <planetmaker> what I wondered: the difference between a beta release and a RC or maintenance release is (in the case of OpenTTD) the absense and the presence of a separate branch respectively? 07:57:43 <AlienKing> One more stupid question, what the heck does "variety distribution" on the world generation screen do? I couldn't find it in the wiki or on the forum (maybe I suck at searching?). 07:58:06 <planetmaker> It's too new, AlienKing 07:58:29 <planetmaker> you could add it. Play around with it and set it to "none" and to "very high" and compare outputs of the map generator 07:58:39 <planetmaker> I prefert medium ... very high 07:58:42 <planetmaker> -t 07:59:20 <AlienKing> right, I guess I'm asking does it affect cities, industries, heightmap, or all? 07:59:26 <planetmaker> Indeed, please document it in the wiki :-) 07:59:40 <planetmaker> it only affects the shape of the landscape 07:59:56 <planetmaker> height map 08:00:09 <peter1138> planetmaker, the beta is basically to get more players testing it. it is a "this is where we're at" build. no gaurantees of savegame compatibility, or it might reformat your harddrive... 08:01:10 <peter1138> no feature freeze of course 08:01:49 <planetmaker> I figured that from looking back at older release branches :-) 08:02:21 <planetmaker> so it's basically, yeah, an announcement of "please test" :-) - but nothing branched yet (just checking) 08:02:50 <peter1138> it gives us some more bug testers, but i guess many people will just treat it as YA release 08:03:22 <planetmaker> hehe :-) yes. The amount of bug testers IS important. Indeed 08:03:34 <peter1138> haha 08:03:36 <peter1138> [357730.817974] general protection fault: 0000 [1] SMP 08:03:39 <peter1138> [357730.818744] Fixing recursive fault but reboot is needed! 08:03:42 <peter1138> niiiice 08:03:47 <planetmaker> :-P 08:07:34 <peter1138> lol 08:07:46 <peter1138> happypenguin has only just got 0.7.4 on 08:08:40 <planetmaker> he. A bit behind the schedule :-) 08:09:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:10:10 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2002:4e33:435f:1:d8d0:e56a:f0f1:b4df] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 08:28:16 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.228.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:29:45 *** pavel1269 [~pavel1269@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 08:34:58 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-3bf0e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:36:51 *** AlienKing [~AlienKing@CPE-67-48-249-120.new.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 08:37:54 <peter1138> two 1.0.0-beta1 servers up :D 08:40:25 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.245.1] has joined #openttd 08:44:56 *** kratt [~kaka@80-235-48-180-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:45:34 <Zuu> Yep, what is better than playing OpenTTD at Christmas? 08:58:17 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-27-136-83.winn.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:05:49 <planetmaker> playing OpenTTD in multiplayer at Christmas maybe? :-D 09:07:24 *** MyCatSchemes [~mycatverb@62-31-161-29.cable.ubr11.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:11:19 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:15:50 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:17:37 <Hirundo> *reads announcement of 1.0.0* santa claus is coming, to town! 09:17:59 *** jonty-pie is now known as jonty-comp 09:24:25 <planetmaker> hehe. Filing now 2nd bug report for 1.0.0-beta1 ;-) 09:25:11 <planetmaker> all peter1138's fault. Just trying to join his server. 09:26:10 <SmatZ> bad bad planetmaker :-p 09:26:33 <planetmaker> hey, I never use the server join lobby... 09:26:57 <SmatZ> OTTD can't run scan for GRF files ten times a second :-p 09:27:18 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: improve it :p 09:27:25 <SmatZ> haha :) 09:27:42 <SmatZ> but some "Rescan GRF files" button in that window would do the job 09:27:46 <planetmaker> SmatZ: I don't ask to rescan continuously. I ask to rescan when pressing the "update" button 09:27:52 <planetmaker> yes. That button 09:27:58 <TrueBrain> which button? 09:28:10 <planetmaker> lower right of the window 09:28:24 <TrueBrain> I was joking planetmaker :) 09:28:26 * TrueBrain hugs planetmaker 09:28:43 <planetmaker> given my latest bug report, I don't see that button anymore... so doesn't matter :-P 09:28:51 * SmatZ hugs planetmaker 09:28:52 <planetmaker> cant't click it anyway ;-) 09:28:54 * SmatZ hugs TrueBrain 09:28:57 <SmatZ> group hug :) 09:28:58 * TrueBrain hugs SmatZ 09:29:00 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:29:03 * planetmaker hugs SmatZ & Truebrain 09:29:37 <TrueBrain> one happy family :p 09:29:54 <SmatZ> :o)( 09:29:56 <SmatZ> -( 09:30:38 <planetmaker> :-) 09:32:36 <valhallasw> ah 09:32:49 * valhallasw sprinkles snow everywhere 09:33:00 <TrueBrain> we have enough snow already valhallasw, please keep it down :p 09:33:13 <SmatZ> we don't :( 09:33:20 * TrueBrain gives snow to SmatZ 09:33:26 <SmatZ> oh oh oh :) 09:34:17 <planetmaker> I have some ice here... anyone? Sufficient on the streets... 09:35:32 <SmatZ> hehe 09:43:47 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 09:58:24 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa962.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:01:50 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@31.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 10:01:55 <Terkhen> good morning 10:03:01 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-3bf0e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:36 <roboboy> Two quick questions. Would it be an idea to stick OpenTTD savegames on vista and win7 in the save games folder under the users profile folder? 10:08:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:09:26 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:09:33 <peter1138> well 10:09:40 <peter1138> i don't know what the buttons are 10:09:42 <peter1138> because it's in german 10:09:48 <peter1138> or some other crazy language 10:10:05 <peter1138> but rescan has only ever been on the add newgrf window 10:16:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D1A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:29:36 <planetmaker> peter1138: I meant the button labeled "Aktualisieren" 10:29:43 <andythenorth> morning 10:29:50 <planetmaker> moin andythenorth 10:31:17 <planetmaker> it's called "refresh server" in English... 10:31:41 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:31:43 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:32:36 <planetmaker> nor using any other button actually allows me to re-scan the grf list from that place. 10:34:22 <peter1138> it refreshes the server 10:34:25 <peter1138> it doesn't rescan the grf file 10:34:26 <peter1138> list 10:35:15 <planetmaker> obviously :-) 10:35:58 <planetmaker> You might then change this FS entry to feature request. It would be helpful to have that feature. Either as extra button somewhere around those windows or as part of that action 10:36:37 <planetmaker> adding it to "refresh server" would make even sense in some respect. The status of that server wrt my install changes. From yellow to green. 10:37:39 <planetmaker> given (my) translation of "refresh server" being rather only "refresh" I expected to update all relevant window content ;-) Yes, I know whom I can blame for the translation :-P 10:38:27 <planetmaker> besides that, that combination of Pikka's grfs is quite nice :-) 10:41:12 <peter1138> planetmaker, the thing is 10:41:20 <peter1138> planetmaker, it's been that way for several proper releases 10:41:48 <planetmaker> I suppose so, yes. I don't claim it's something new :-) 10:42:09 <peter1138> 09:24 < planetmaker> hehe. Filing now 2nd bug report for 1.0.0-beta1 ;-) 10:42:09 <peter1138> 09:25 < planetmaker> all peter1138's fault. Just trying to join his server. 10:42:21 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 10:42:46 <planetmaker> "fault" in the sense that you run the server and thus made me actually use those parts of OpenTTD. I usually don't 10:42:58 <planetmaker> I join our servers by giving them via command line 10:43:39 <planetmaker> and bug in the sense that it didn't behave like I expected it to behave. As said, if it fits better, make it feature request 10:44:39 <planetmaker> so ... it was not in any way my intention to blame you personally. Obviously a joke gone hay-wire :-( 10:45:16 <planetmaker> I guess I missed the " ;-) " 10:45:57 <SmatZ> planetmaker: you uploaded wrong screenshot sequence 10:46:06 <planetmaker> oh? :-( 10:46:36 <planetmaker> true. :-( 10:46:39 <SmatZ> :-( 10:47:41 <planetmaker> New one coming 10:48:08 <planetmaker> took the latest 4 images from the wrong folder ;-) And there's no preview. 10:48:48 <planetmaker> uploaded 10:49:09 <SmatZ> I would expect OSX to show preview in the file browser 10:49:16 <peter1138> pbs is messed up 10:49:37 <planetmaker> Well, but not in Firefox's file browser 10:50:35 <peter1138> atm trains can reserve a path under other trains 10:50:39 <peter1138> i don't know when that happened 10:52:12 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:46 * welshdragon isn't going to touch the 1.0.0-betas 11:16:26 <peter1138> why not? 11:18:59 <Rubidium> peter1138: obviously too much open bugs in the bugtracker 11:19:45 <peter1138> hehe 11:19:50 <welshdragon> :P 11:19:59 <peter1138> you were playing a nightly before... 11:20:03 <welshdragon> although i've just seen the features list :( 11:20:18 <welshdragon> peter1138: i can't spot any bugs 11:20:47 <welshdragon> but the fact that you said that pbs is messed up means I'm slightly wary 11:20:55 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@123.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 11:21:51 *** Terkhen is now known as Guest110 11:21:51 *** |Terkhen| is now known as Terkhen 11:23:58 <peter1138> welshdragon, it's messed up in the nightly we're playing 11:24:16 <peter1138> unless i was doing it wrong, i don't think pbs reservation should happen underneath another train 11:26:00 <planetmaker> the fine difference between "messed up" and "messed up" :-P 11:26:36 <welshdragon> peter1138: have you got highlight routes on? 11:26:38 *** Guest110 [~Terkhen@31.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:20 <peter1138> well yes 11:27:27 <welshdragon> I haven't 11:27:32 <welshdragon> so haven't noticed :P 11:50:25 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:11 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa962.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:20 <peter1138> hurr 12:01:32 *** kratt [~kaka@80-235-48-180-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 12:04:42 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:11:10 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:15:21 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 12:15:29 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d0e2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:57 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 12:25:51 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 12:32:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.116.67] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:11 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.6.105.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:17 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> what I wondered: the difference between a beta release and a RC or maintenance release is (in the case of OpenTTD) the absense and the presence of a separate branch respectively? <-- the difference is RCs are in feature freeze 12:56:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.114.6.105.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:59:18 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable246.69-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 12:59:42 <dragonhorseboy> any of you know how to tell openttd to rebuild its cfg file or there's no such command for that? 13:00:01 <Ammler> dragonhorseboy: remove the existing 13:00:04 <Ammler> or rename 13:00:36 <Ammler> or start with -c mynewopenttdconfig.cfg 13:04:40 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.29] has joined #openttd 13:05:31 <dragonhorseboy> ah .. hm thanks .. didn't see any mention of -c when I tried check the wiki 13:05:41 <dragonhorseboy> goign try that in a moment and see if it actually appears this time 13:06:58 <Ammler> openttd -h 13:11:35 *** __ln [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 13:12:01 <__ln> ho-ho-ho! english only! 13:12:51 <Ammler> E 13:19:01 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:21:49 <dragonhorseboy> hmm 7+ minutes to download .. blah 13:23:48 <SpComb^> that's fast 13:23:54 <SpComb^> I'm on 40kbit/s with 300ms latency at best! 13:25:11 <SpComb^> (and that's perfectly adequate for playing OpenTTD, surprisingly) 13:27:27 <welshdragon> so, do I get 1.0.0 beta1? 13:27:35 <welshdragon> it looks..... interesting 13:33:49 <planetmaker> go go go...! :-) 13:33:54 <planetmaker> it's pretty yummi 13:35:59 <dragonhorseboy> ok ammler that finally worked now ... I actually got a cfg file ever since 0.5.3 >_< 13:36:13 <dragonhorseboy> thanks a lot 13:37:25 <dragonhorseboy> hmm ammler now how to tell it to actually use that cfg file tho? I tried one quick manual edit (changing number of planes) and it just simply resetted that back to default :/ 13:38:21 <SpComb^> it overwrites it when it quits 13:38:32 <SpComb^> so edit it while openttd is not running 13:39:39 <dragonhorseboy> spcomb no thats the thing .. I actually closed openttd and edit the file then run again .. it just simply reset 13:40:11 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 13:40:25 <dragonhorseboy> hmm let me try make it recreate a different name..brb 13:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause> you either have to rename it to openttd.cfg and move it to the right directory, or you have to supply the -c argument every time 13:42:01 <dragonhorseboy> eddi well thats the problem .. it *is* set with '-c openttd.cfg' but it keep seemingly reset any custom changes back to default every single time I run it 13:43:12 <dragonhorseboy> hmm .. let me see what locking the file might do... 13:43:59 <Rubidium> dragonhorseboy: if you've got a mixture of old [patches] and the new settings stuff, then it will mess up things 13:45:07 <peter1138> how about deleting it, and using the... in game settings editor 13:45:15 <dragonhorseboy> rubidium this is actually fresh new folder 13:46:05 <dragonhorseboy> peter1138 as if the in-game one even has any of the towngrowth options and there's almost no pathfind configuration there 13:46:29 <dragonhorseboy> but anyway locking the file seem to do the trick 13:48:20 <peter1138> it certainly does have town growth options 13:48:39 <peter1138> no pathfinder penalty adjustments though 13:49:55 <Rubidium> dragonhorseboy: more than 99% of the time OpenTTD changes the settings you put in the config file means that you entered something that isn't considered valid 13:51:46 <dragonhorseboy> rubidium you telling me changing to 'max_aircraft = 10' is not a valid one? 13:52:12 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9A83.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:56 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:53:10 <dragonhorseboy> and peter1138 I don't see anything related to wait_for_pbs_path in the gui window etc basically. but anyway ... now that the cfg file is working time to try a few grfs 13:53:18 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2549:5cee:c72b:9b1] has joined #openttd 13:53:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:53:28 <Rubidium> dragonhorseboy: no, but... when I change it to 10, start OpenTTD, start a new game, verify it's still correct, close the game, then it's still 10 in my config file 13:53:56 *** Markmc [~markk@91.90.24.184] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:28 *** Markmc [~markk@91.90.24.184] has joined #openttd 13:56:55 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:25 <Belugas> yeah yeah yeah 14:00:30 <Belugas> at the office 14:00:35 <Belugas> just like an orifice 14:00:36 <peter1138> # IT'S CHRISTMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS 14:00:46 <peter1138> not that i put slade ont 14:00:48 <peter1138> or anything 14:00:57 <Belugas> :D 14:01:08 <Belugas> no, you would not dare! 14:01:48 <kratt> okay what is santa bringing to you this year 14:03:34 <peter1138> 1.0.0-beta1! 14:04:49 <SpComb^> I've been playing cargodist&daylength all christmas! 14:05:00 <Belugas> BOSS GT-5 14:09:11 <Belugas> well... maybe... 14:09:21 <Belugas> dunno if i've been good enough ;) 14:09:46 <Belugas> peter1138, i told my wif e to buzz off my back on monday ;) 14:10:33 <tokai> What does that mean? :) 14:10:57 <tokai> Belugas: You want her to be gone? 14:11:57 <Belugas> that means : let me play with my friend! 14:12:35 <Belugas> that means : don't ask me to do stuff for the house, just because i am not at work! 14:13:30 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-157-152-237.range86-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:13:41 <Rubidium> Belugas: be lucky you don't have children at the age where they can 'force' you to do stuff for the house 14:14:37 <Rubidium> like mom saying, you got to lay a new floor there and the children already helping with removing the old floor so you *have* to lay the new one 14:14:37 <Belugas> well... i might force him to do it with me! 14:15:19 <Belugas> anyway, as a good kid he is, he will want to help me 14:16:10 <Coco-Banana-Man> [15:05:05] <SpComb^> I've been playing cargodist&daylength all christmas! <--- what? Daylength and CargoDist together? Wonderful! Many thanks, SpComb! :D 14:17:09 *** kratt [~kaka@80-235-48-180-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has quit [] 14:17:21 <Eddi|zuHause> <SpComb^> I've been playing cargodist&daylength all christmas! <- did you time travel or something? because over here, christmas starts this evening, and lasts for the two consecutive days 14:17:23 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@123.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17:41 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:40 <Eddi|zuHause> <Belugas> anyway, as a good kid he is, he will want to help me <- the question in those cases is if the help is actually helping, or creating even more work 14:19:38 <Belugas> at 6, maybe. at 12, he'd better do it right 14:20:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well, fine, but that'll probably be the age where he stops wanting to help :p 14:26:30 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:27:21 * dragonhorseboy is already playing online a bit heh :) 14:28:42 <dragonhorseboy> anyone recall how to build two seperate station tiles joined as a single station again? 14:33:11 <Belugas> 9 chances out of 10 that it would involve a CTRL key somewhere... 14:35:25 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8211bc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:39:29 <SmatZ> hehe 14:41:06 *** thingwath [~thingwath@88.83.164.57] has joined #openttd 14:49:29 *** orava [~rain@a88-114-49-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:50:46 <orava> is there any way to make dedicated server scenario with newGRF:s? 14:53:13 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-131-93.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:42 <Belugas> there MUST be a way! 15:00:51 <Belugas> It would be so INTOLERABLE not to! 15:01:29 <Belugas> by the way, what aer you talking about? 15:02:00 <orava> maybe I can work it out with scenario editor : P 15:02:01 <dragonhorseboy> heh 15:02:22 <orava> I meant to host scenario with newGRF:s 15:04:19 <Belugas> you mean to play a game on a dedicated server based on a scenario created with Scenario Editor with grfs ? 15:05:05 <Belugas> if so, i'm convinced there are ways to do so 15:05:59 <orava> I figured it out now, had just load a scenatio to scenario editor and add newGRF there, after that start that edited scenario with dedicated server 15:09:27 <pavel1269> what an unexpected way 15:09:41 <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: I count it from the start of this week or so 15:12:34 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa962.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:22:17 <dragonhorseboy> hmm how do you delete a road station .. the bomb icon isn't working :/ 15:22:34 <PeterT> dragonhorseboy, is there an error? 15:22:45 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:22:50 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:16 <dragonhorseboy> 'can't clear this area, must demolish truck station first' 15:23:23 <dragonhorseboy> I'm already using the road construction toolbar 15:23:41 *** MyCatSchemes [~mycatverb@62-31-161-29.cable.ubr11.aztw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Merry Christmas, everybody.] 15:23:47 <SmatZ> use "Remove" 15:23:59 <orava> dragonhorseboy: press ARE hotkey when station build is selected 15:24:05 <orava> ups 15:24:08 <orava> R key 15:24:55 <dragonhorseboy> oh hm thanks a lot 15:27:31 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8211bc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 15:42:44 <Belugas> Deathm?le - Clotting Agent 15:42:46 <Belugas> LOVELY! 15:42:47 <Belugas> as always 15:43:15 * peter1138 puts on 15:43:54 <andythenorth> FISH 0.1 now on Bananas (thanks Ammler!) 15:43:57 <peter1138> :D 15:44:01 <Sacro> FISH? 15:44:14 <andythenorth> FISH is ships :) 15:44:33 <peter1138> so will it ever start earlier than 1900? 15:44:38 <andythenorth> yes 15:44:43 <peter1138> cool 15:44:48 <andythenorth> well, not guaranteed 15:44:54 <andythenorth> I might get hit by a bus. or bored. 15:50:15 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 15:51:13 <Belugas> OR NONE OF THE ABOVE! 15:51:33 <Belugas> mmh... looks who is talking :S 15:51:38 <Belugas> -s 15:55:18 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable246.69-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 15:59:50 <Belugas> and now, ladies and gentlemen, it's time for... 15:59:52 <Belugas> Deathm?le - Conniptions 15:59:57 <Belugas> YEAH!!! 16:00:10 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 16:10:05 <peter1138> Fighting off the emus 16:10:31 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:20:51 <Belugas> F, G... 16:20:54 <Belugas> gain angel! 16:23:52 *** Heinervdm [~thomas@pD9E142E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:25:22 <Heinervdm> openttd-1.0.0-beta1 and 0.7.4 doesn't run on armv4t. Gdb says: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x00068a7c in SQObjectPtr::~SQObjectPtr() () 16:25:41 <Heinervdm> can i provide something for finding the bug? 16:27:36 <Alberth> a stacktrace would be useful 16:28:05 <Heinervdm> ok that's long :) 16:28:10 <Heinervdm> will pastebin it 16:28:26 <Alberth> not sure how useful it would be, as we cannot debug it due to lack of hardware 16:28:49 <Alberth> (afaik none of the devs has a arm system) 16:29:32 <Belugas> no but i have a system to arm people... 16:29:33 <Alberth> hmm, SQObjectPtr sounds a Squirrel problem 16:32:03 <Heinervdm> strace: http://shr.pastebin.com/m420f8902 16:33:21 <Alberth> euhm, that is not a stacktrace. 16:34:05 <Heinervdm> that's strace output 16:35:00 <Alberth> I expected a dump with nested function calls 'in progress' at the time of the crash. The output of 'bt' in gdb. 16:35:08 <Alberth> Sorry if I was unclear. 16:35:32 <Heinervdm> ah, ok 16:36:07 <Alberth> you are running AI's ? 16:36:39 <Heinervdm> http://shr.pastebin.com/m7f47c1a 16:36:47 <Heinervdm> what is ai 16:37:08 <orava> artifactical intelligence or something like that 16:37:15 <Heinervdm> it's the first time i'm running openttd :) 16:37:32 <Heinervdm> i just run openttd without any options 16:37:48 <Alberth> AI's are the computer opponents 16:38:37 <Alberth> they are written in Squirrel 16:39:31 <Alberth> The stacktrace points to the compile function of Squirrel for the dummy AI (which does nothing). 16:40:42 <Heinervdm> ok, can i prevent openttd from loading the ai? 16:41:31 <andythenorth> @seen Pikka 16:41:31 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 3 days, 5 hours, 21 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <Pikka> a certain other project :P 16:41:39 <Alberth> Given that the same dummy AI does run at other platforms, suggests that the squirrel library (for OpenTTD a 3rd-party lib) is broken (perhaps for your platform/architecture?). 16:42:24 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa962.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:42:37 <Heinervdm> possible, never heard of squirrel, so i've probably never used it before 16:44:33 <Alberth> I see no option other than explicitly saying which AI you want loaded (where 'none' is not an allowed value :( ) 16:44:51 <welshdragon> andythenorth: he's on Holiday 16:44:53 <Heinervdm> how can i do that? 16:45:23 <Alberth> see the src/3rdparty/squirrel directory 16:45:31 <Alberth> -a ainame 16:45:44 <Heinervdm> ok 16:45:57 <Alberth> but since the dummy ai already breaks, I don't give you much chance. 16:46:27 *** orava [~rain@a88-114-49-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd [Leaving.] 16:46:37 <Heinervdm> yes, no difference 16:46:47 <Heinervdm> will have a look at the squirrel lib 16:47:01 <Heinervdm> thx 16:47:07 <Alberth> good luck 16:50:58 *** EdoDodo [~Dodo@ANice-157-1-63-243.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:52:11 <peter1138> i have an ARM system 16:52:28 <EdoDodo> Hey 16:53:13 <EdoDodo> Could anyone tell me where I can find a page on how the reliability of vehicles is calculated? I remember reading it once but can't find it anymore 16:53:15 <peter1138> it just runs RISC OS... 16:55:01 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-165-218.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 16:57:30 <andythenorth> I had one like that 16:57:41 <andythenorth> it often stopped running RISC OS. Rather abruptly 16:57:55 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 16:57:56 <andythenorth> taking away with it whatever you happened to be working on at the time 16:58:28 <andythenorth> I imagine Born_Acorn had something similar. Judging by the nick... 17:05:44 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #openttd 17:09:26 <peter1138> well, they have no mmu, heh 17:14:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:05 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:58 <andythenorth> peter1138: I misread that as no mu mu 17:19:04 <andythenorth> which is something else entirely 17:19:44 <andythenorth> before I go making myself look stupid....frequent pickup using RVs does get good station ratings right? 17:19:48 <andythenorth> it does in my games anyway 17:20:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:37:07 *** EdoDodo [~Dodo@ANice-157-1-63-243.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: EdoDodo] 17:45:36 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@222.72.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:38 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:43 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 18:07:09 <Kovensky> RVs? 18:07:12 <Kovensky> oh, road vehicles 18:07:30 <Kovensky> what is this "map variety" knob on the map creator 18:07:35 * Kovensky just built HEAD 18:08:07 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 18:27:10 *** Heinervdm [~thomas@pD9E142E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:38:06 <Belugas> burp 18:39:02 <welshdragon> http://www.charlespetzold.com/etc/DoesVisualStudioRotTheMind.html 18:40:18 <TrueBrain> bless you Belugas 18:40:43 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.140.33] has joined #openttd 18:41:27 <Belugas> well.. if beer is a blessing, i'm fully blessed alright, thanks! 18:45:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r18625 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed) 18:45:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: croatian - 36 changes by 18:45:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 6 changes by planetmaker 18:45:50 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changes by alyr 18:45:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 15 changes by lorenzodv 18:45:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: korean - 1 changes by junho2813 18:49:12 <Belugas> ho... SPACE made 36 changes again! 18:49:35 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:41 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has joined #openttd 18:53:20 * peter1138 has no beer 18:53:57 <andythenorth> I have beer 18:54:08 <andythenorth> so neh neh neh neh 18:54:19 <andythenorth> what should I draw? 18:55:08 <TrueBrain> a blank 18:55:10 <TrueBrain> ghehe 18:55:56 <peter1138> a beer 18:57:30 * Belugas has no beer anymore... 18:57:38 * Belugas is switching to red wine now 18:57:54 <Belugas> andythenorth, draw me a sheep 18:58:10 <Belugas> no, not a ship, you already did that... 18:58:12 <Belugas> a sheep 18:58:31 <andythenorth> done 18:58:32 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/sets/FIRS/schema/graphics 18:58:35 <andythenorth> Sheep Farm 18:58:47 <andythenorth> wasn't me, FooBar did it 18:58:50 <Belugas> o_O 18:58:58 <Belugas> never heard of St-Exupery, don't you? 18:59:32 <Belugas> hooo.. freaking nice gfx, andythenorth 18:59:49 * Belugas might be playing again.... 18:59:53 <Belugas> when not playing 19:00:01 <Belugas> buwahahahah!!! 19:00:38 <andythenorth> :D 19:00:49 <andythenorth> got to draw some more soon 19:00:54 <TrueBrain> I think Belugas should not take that wine ... 19:01:35 <andythenorth> meanwhile I have a saying: 19:01:38 <Belugas> why? just why??? 19:01:46 <andythenorth> "a game can never have *too many* dump trucks" 19:02:48 <Alberth> the limit is probably somewhere near 2048x2048x2 :p 19:03:43 <Alberth> (not that you'd ever get that in a running game) :) 19:03:53 * Belugas plays CutAnd Rage Full blast in the oofice!!! 19:05:54 <andythenorth> Belugas: go home? 19:06:18 <Belugas> naaa.... still some bugs to make 19:06:20 <Belugas> hem... 19:06:21 <Belugas> fix 19:06:33 <Alberth> ie move them :p 19:06:41 <andythenorth> :| 19:11:11 <andythenorth> would it be weird game play to have vehicles that move slower when loaded than when empty? 19:11:15 <sparr> Alberth: you mean a map that is solid road, every tile having 2 trucks on it? 19:11:31 <sparr> andythenorth: no, hence the freight multiplier for realistic train acceleration 19:11:46 <andythenorth> I already coded one ship that way, so I have code for it 19:12:10 <Belugas> andythenorth, it would make perfect sens, but it would make perfect poor-little-frustrated-user bug reports too 19:12:20 <Alberth> isn't the acceleration code in openttd not handling that? 19:12:31 <Alberth> s/ not// 19:12:48 <andythenorth> http://www.nicolas.fr/produits/vehicules-industriels-manutention-sur-site/acierie/plus-dinfos.html 19:13:01 <Alberth> sparr: that would be one way of distributing the trucks over the map 19:13:06 <andythenorth> moves at 20km/h loaded, 40km/h empty 19:13:50 *** Luukland [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:14:40 <sparr> nothing in between? 19:14:57 <Alberth> haha, I read the "produits" menu title as pro-duits, ie pro-german :) 19:15:10 <sparr> i think "realistic acceleration" would do well to be applied to all types of transport, based on the power of the engines and the total weight of the vehicle and cargo 19:15:36 <andythenorth> sparr: terkhen is working on better acceleration for RVs 19:16:02 <sparr> but, in the vein of what you are discussing, decreasing the top speed is also a possibility 19:16:13 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:20 <sparr> it would play havoc with huge shared networks like what openttdcoop does 19:16:29 <sparr> since trains would be going different speeds 19:17:34 <Belugas> realistic acceleration is a myth 19:18:32 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18:51 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 19:20:34 <andythenorth> Belugas: are you *sure* it doesn't exist in RL? 19:20:36 <andythenorth> :P 19:20:56 *** orava [~rain@a88-114-49-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:22:35 <Belugas> in the game, it would never be realistic 19:22:47 <orava> why openttd is taking 95% of cpu time even in main menu. is it normal? openttd version is 1.0.0-beta1 and OS is ubuntu 9.04 19:23:12 <Belugas> it can PRETEND to be, but as long as we have the proportions we do (and I hope it'll stay as such), it would never be "realistic" 19:24:03 <Belugas> orava, it could be music files running gaga 19:24:12 <Belugas> it could be immense maps 19:24:19 <orava> I don't even have music files 19:24:24 <Belugas> THERE YOU GO! 19:24:33 <orava> ?:P 19:24:35 <Belugas> the system keeps on searching 19:24:41 <Belugas> so iopen the juke box 19:24:44 <Belugas> and stop it 19:25:19 <orava> its paused and have not any song listed at all 19:25:46 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest165 19:25:46 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:46 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:26:49 <orava> Belugas: so is there any fix for this? 19:27:52 <orava> ingame options there is Base music set="NoMusic" 19:28:06 <orava> and Base sounds set="original_windows" 19:28:15 <Belugas> i fixed it a while ago, it somehow got broken up recentlty 19:28:36 <Belugas> seems that my fix was not a solid one :S 19:28:40 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:30:20 *** Guest165 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:45 <peter1138> Belugas, nah, Rexxars rewrote a load of it 19:31:48 <peter1138> errrr 19:31:50 <peter1138> Rubidium :s 19:32:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.140.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:37 <orava> should I try with OpenSFX? 19:34:00 <orava> hm, or maybe not 19:38:06 *** Luukland [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 19:39:11 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:40:45 <Alberth> there is also a NoSound sound library 19:40:57 <orava> where I can find it? 19:41:02 <Alberth> bananas 19:42:12 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:16 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46:15 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest169 19:46:15 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:15 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:46:40 <orava> it does not have any effect, still huge cpu % :/ 19:48:18 *** Guest169 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:48:24 *** Brianetta [~brian@78-105-191-80.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:53:50 <orava> noni 19:53:54 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:55 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest171 19:53:55 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:53:55 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:53:56 <orava> käyn sanoo veljelle että tulis kans 19:54:02 <orava> ups, wrong chat 19:54:19 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:56:48 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@219.104.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:49 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@24.12.4.37] has joined #openttd 19:58:49 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest172 19:58:50 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:00:34 *** Guest171 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:23 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@222.72.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:59 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:22 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:05:33 *** Guest172 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:13:36 <Belugas> heheh 20:14:08 <Belugas> you know how long it took me to figure out you were not talking to me ,peter1138 ? 20:14:10 <Belugas> you know how long it took me to figure out you were not talking to me ,peter1138 ? 20:14:19 <Belugas> ooops... 20:14:42 <Alberth> too much wine :p 20:15:32 <Belugas> quite... 20:16:59 <Eddi|zuHause> gnah... enough family for today... 20:17:01 <peter1138> Belugas, well... i was 20:19:35 <Eddi|zuHause> <orava> why openttd is taking 95% of cpu time even in main menu. is it normal? openttd version is 1.0.0-beta1 and OS is ubuntu 9.04 <-- it's a known problem, there's a solution somewhere in the forums 20:20:34 <orava> Eddi|zuHause: ok, i'l try find it. thanks for let me know 20:26:55 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:49 *** worldemar [~woldemar@188.122.245.1] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:31:52 *** worldemar [~woldemar@85.114.170.62] has joined #openttd 20:34:02 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: orava: it's actually even mentioned in known-bugs.txt 20:35:01 *** pavel1269 [~pavel1269@r2ao16.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: ^^] 20:36:30 <orava> "Extreme CPU usage/hangs when using SDL and PulseAudio [FS#3294] " 20:40:10 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 20:41:26 <orava> Thanks a lot. that spesific packege installation fixed it :) 20:41:49 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 20:41:50 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:42:00 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has quit [] 20:42:12 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:44:55 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 20:44:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 20:45:33 <Belugas> nope i'm not gone... just needed to reboot ... freaking screen driver :P 20:45:52 <Belugas> note : i SHOULD be going... 20:45:57 <Belugas> as quite useless 20:48:26 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:48:30 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 20:49:10 <TrueBrain> poor Belugas 20:49:19 <orudge> 'lo TrueBrain 20:49:30 <orudge> and a merry christmas to all #openttders 20:50:02 <TrueBrain> hi orudge :) And to you too! 20:53:48 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable246.69-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 20:54:08 <dragonhorseboy> just wondering if anyone wanted play a quick map together based on japan grfs? 20:57:48 <Belugas> baah... 20:57:53 <Belugas> where' my guit? :( 20:57:59 <dragonhorseboy> guit? 20:58:03 <Belugas> guitar 20:58:05 <Belugas> axe 20:58:08 <dragonhorseboy> lol 20:58:48 <TrueBrain> Belugas: who you are going to axe? :p 20:59:05 <Belugas> the music! 21:00:30 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@69.49.68.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:18 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:00 <dragonhorseboy> hmm guess maybe not 21:11:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-158-61.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:11:49 *** PierreW [sbnc@get-free-money-to-poker-with-at.no-deposit.info] has quit [Server closed connection] 21:11:49 *** PierreW [sbnc@get-free-money-to-poker-with-at.no-deposit.info] has joined #openttd 21:21:13 *** dragonhorseboy [~zerovnc@modemcable246.69-58-74.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [] 21:21:43 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:31:53 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2549:5cee:c72b:9b1] has joined #openttd 21:31:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 21:33:13 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF99CE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:36:26 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:38:28 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2549:5cee:c72b:9b1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:48:45 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D96.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 21:51:32 <Belugas> so... 21:51:39 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-99f5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 21:51:43 <Belugas> MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL 21:51:47 <Belugas> ENJOY THE PARTY! 21:51:50 <Belugas> and the family 21:51:50 <Rubidium> night Belugas, have a nice Christmas 21:51:59 <Belugas> have fun, most of all :) 21:52:03 <Belugas> you too Rubidium! 21:53:13 * Belugas is leaving office until tuesday 21:53:43 <Alberth> merry xmas! 21:54:00 <andythenorth> bye! 21:54:14 <Zuu> Mery Christmas Belugas 21:54:23 <Zuu> And everyone else :-) 21:54:32 <PeterT> Merry christmas, bye! 21:54:35 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:04:45 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:07:08 <sparr> is there a way to change graphics sets in multiplayer? 22:07:14 <sparr> while other players are using custom grfs 22:07:47 <Zuu> Each MP player can use their own Base Graphics/Sound set. 22:08:27 <Zuu> some (very few) GRFs can be activated as static I think even if the server does not use them. 22:08:29 <Rubidium> depending on what you mean with graphics sets yes or no 22:08:58 <Zuu> But I wouldn't recommend using static grfs unless you know what you are doing. 22:15:45 <planetmaker> you can use savely static tree newgrfs, And ground tile newgrfs 22:16:06 <planetmaker> and... merry Christmas :-) 22:16:52 <p-w> kim peek died =( 22:17:11 <sparr> how? 22:17:16 <sparr> for any/all of those "can" 22:22:47 <Zuu> by editing openttd.cfg 22:22:59 <Zuu> You can probably find it documented at the wiki 22:23:11 <Zuu> I would search for static and grf/newgrf. 22:41:46 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-157-152-237.range86-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:46:29 *** nicfer [~nicolas@190.50.29.23] has joined #openttd 22:46:47 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:53:46 *** glx_ is now known as glx 22:55:57 *** kratt [~kaka@80-235-48-180-dsl.kjj.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 22:56:16 <kratt> i have and some other guestion than ttd 22:56:23 <kratt> how can i merge 2 HDDs 22:57:21 <kratt> i have 250 gb and 500 and i want them to be 750 in my computer 22:58:31 *** nicfer [~nicolas@190.50.29.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:12 <glx> why merge them when you access them separately ? 23:00:12 <Rubidium> glx: because it's preferable to loose 100% of the data instead of just 33% or 66% 23:00:38 <glx> even when I have 1 HD I split it in multiple partition 23:00:56 <glx> that way I can reinstall the system without losing documents 23:02:19 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-27-136-83.winn.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Nadolig Llawen] 23:02:19 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:31 *** orava [~rain@a88-114-49-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has left #openttd [Leaving.] 23:19:49 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:20:28 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@219.104.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:25:48 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-99f5e655.510-8-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:36 *** Polygon [~Poly@p54B46F3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd