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Bawa http://www.bawa.com .] 01:58:40 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-075-176-105-070.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:59:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FBD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Tsch?ss] 02:09:57 *** welshdragon is now known as welsh 02:11:00 *** welsh is now known as welshdragon 02:11:25 *** DarkED2 [~J@cpe-075-176-105-070.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 02:18:25 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-165-135-113.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:18:35 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-075-176-105-070.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:27:04 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 02:34:10 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:34:26 *** DarkED2 [~J@cpe-075-176-105-070.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:37:10 <sparr> about to try applying a patch from r13664 02:37:14 <sparr> this should be interesting 02:37:58 <PeterT> what patch, sparr? 02:38:11 *** Choco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBC90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:38:16 <sparr> "Better Graphs" 02:38:25 <sparr> the one to generate income by speed/distance graphs 02:38:33 <sparr> I could do it in a spreadsheet, but I'm lazy :) 02:39:50 <sparr> hmm 02:40:11 <sparr> 11 out of 18 hunks failed 02:40:16 <sparr> maybe the spreadsheet would be easier... 02:40:38 <Rubidium> oh, so... 7 hunks didn't fail. That seems pretty good for something related to the GUI 02:44:23 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB221.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:44:23 *** Choco-Banana-Man is now known as Coco-Banana-Man 02:48:13 <roboboy> how do I disable servicing using the console? 02:51:05 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-20-194.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52:27 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-20-194.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 03:04:47 <roboboy> how do I disable servicing using the console? 03:06:46 <fjb> You don't have to ask more than one time. 03:09:30 <PeterT> how does roboboy disable servicing using the console? 03:10:51 <glx> and think it's 4AM here :) 03:11:04 <PeterT> 10PM here 03:11:13 <PeterT> hello, tomorrowers! 03:12:58 <PeterT> isn't it illegal posting sprites like this on the wiki? http://wiki.openttd.org/images/9/9f/Smoke_fireball.png 03:13:44 <sparr> I've travelled here from the year 1982 to relay this message... 03:13:49 <sparr> I'm AFK. 03:14:28 <PeterT> Night 03:14:50 *** PeterT [~Peter@c-76-19-211-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Goodbye] 03:17:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: glx * r18756 /trunk/src/ (heightmap.cpp screenshot.cpp spriteloader/png.cpp): -Codechange: direct accesses to png_*_struct members are deprecated 03:23:26 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 03:31:23 *** Cow [~cameronwi@S0106000f6629a51c.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:34:10 *** Cameron [~cameronwi@S0106000f6629a51c.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:35:12 <sparr> do statues go in the town that the industry belongs to or the town that the station belongs to? 03:35:19 <sparr> if the latter, how can you tell if it has been renamed? 03:37:35 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@host86-166-26-81.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40:56 <glx> statues goes in the town you bough them 03:47:39 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBC90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der bläht, als hinterster geht!] 03:56:01 <sparr> glx: yes, what I mean is which town should I buy it in, to get the rating bonus 03:56:25 <glx> where the station is 03:56:36 <glx> ratings are per station 03:59:04 <sparr> ok, then the second part of the question 03:59:14 <sparr> how can you tell which town a station is attached to after it is renamed? 03:59:27 <sparr> assuming it does not fall within local authority, or falls within multiple 03:59:33 <glx> ? menu should be able to tell you 03:59:49 <sparr> I shall investigate, thanks 04:24:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DF1D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:25:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77ADF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:25:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77ADF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:26:09 <Pikka> pedro ein ein drei acht... 04:26:25 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:5c85:14f1:5185:c6a0] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:38:35 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-101-5.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:40:49 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-111-105.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 04:40:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:45:56 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Utm Aœ - Aja 35] 04:48:24 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 04:57:39 *** TheTrav [9d80dace@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 04:57:45 <TheTrav> ahoy hoy 04:58:11 <TheTrav> a friend of mine is trying to set up a server for a bunch of us. We want to set it up so the game only runs when players are connected (pause when no-one is around) 04:58:22 <TheTrav> http://wiki.openttd.org/Openttd.cfg <- does not appear to list it 04:58:32 <TheTrav> anyone heard of / know how to set up that feature? 04:58:42 <TheTrav> I think I heard the coopetition guys did it 05:01:27 <Forked> min_active_clients ? 05:12:18 <roboboy> how do I change a config value using the console? 05:13:57 <TheTrav> roboboy: I think I was looking at a page that had that like, 20 mintues ago 05:13:58 <roboboy> found it 05:14:07 <TheTrav> ahh good 05:14:20 <TheTrav> do you know what min_active_clients does? 05:14:42 <Forked> Set it to two and see if the game runs with only one player :) 05:15:36 <roboboy> I would think 2 requires two people excluding the server if it is dedicated 05:16:19 <roboboy> hm is 0 Off and 1 On? 05:16:48 <roboboy> blah is 0 False and 1 True? 05:16:53 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm140.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:17:26 <roboboy> the console tells me that the current setting is False and that the min value is 0 and max is 1 05:17:59 <roboboy> and if I try and set it to True it tells me True is not an integer 05:20:40 <roboboy> all fixed 05:21:53 <TheTrav> fun times 05:35:37 *** Dade [~Dade@125.67-212-47-net.sccoast.net] has joined #openttd 05:35:55 <Dade> Hello all 05:45:17 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has left #openttd [] 05:45:45 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 05:55:15 * roboboy wonders if it would be worth adding the ability to run OpenTTD as a windows service 05:56:57 <roboboy> grr old MS Setups can be a pain on modern computers 06:04:57 *** TheTrav [9d80dace@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:26:00 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-075-176-105-070.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 06:26:53 <roboboy> hm runing openTTD with -D still requires a sound set 06:27:55 <Forked> there is a nosound set though? 06:28:40 <roboboy> I didnt download it on install as I thought dedicated wouldnt need it 06:29:40 <roboboy> lets see if NT Wrapper can run openTTD as a service 06:30:05 <roboboy> or once all the bits of OpenTTD are installed 06:31:15 *** DarkED [~J@cpe-075-176-105-070.carolina.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:35:48 <roboboy> it works 06:58:12 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@38.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 06:59:12 <Terkhen> good morning 07:07:31 <Pikka> guten morgen mein herr 07:10:59 <Rubidium> 0h... he's having his German phase again? 07:12:34 <Pikka> is he? 07:17:26 <peter1138> it is the pikka monster 07:18:06 <Pikka> jawohl 07:18:12 <Pikka> peetar 07:18:20 <Pikka> I wanted to play on your server 07:18:28 <Pikka> but big map + late game = unhappy eee 07:18:30 <peter1138> Rubidium is using vb :( 07:18:47 <Pikka> victoria bitter! horrible stuff. 07:19:38 <Pikka> http://www.beerstore.com.au/beerstore/uploads/beerImages/Victoria_Bitter_Large.jpg 07:19:41 * Pikka shrugs 07:20:04 <peter1138> project 1k is... ftw 07:20:10 <peter1138> except for being unfinished ;( 07:20:51 <Pikka> sorry 07:21:05 <Pikka> I'm in el japons away from my computer until the end of next month 07:21:34 <peter1138> apparently so 07:24:15 <Pikka> but when I return! 07:24:36 <Pikka> I shall start to finish beginning completion of pj1k! 07:26:03 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:27:03 <Rubidium> peter1138: which of the at least 3 VBs? VirtualBox, Visual Basic or Vista Basic? 07:28:31 <roboboy> Does anyone think it might be use enableing openTTD to be run as a windows service? 07:29:16 <Rubidium> no. There're already more than enough idle for the whole time servers 07:30:35 <Rubidium> e.g. http://www.openttd.org/en/server/25 07:30:50 <Rubidium> has been running for years without anyone playing on it 07:31:08 <Rubidium> with a Windows service you're likely to only make that worse 07:31:19 <roboboy> hm yeah 07:31:53 <roboboy> ill keep using my program that allows normal programs to be run as services 07:32:19 <roboboy> its only a local game for myself and friends 07:35:30 <Singaporekid> pikka is op 07:37:09 <Pikka> oh look 07:37:14 <Pikka> it's tavish mcgroot 07:38:06 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 07:39:23 <peter1138> Rubidium, one in which "0h" is valid 07:39:50 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 07:42:37 <roboboy> is reffiting in terms of grfs and capacities handled entirely by the grf 07:43:29 <roboboy> hm my aircraft are full loading even though I didnt tell them to 07:43:54 <roboboy> or they were 07:44:11 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 07:47:47 * roboboy feels there are still a few reference to road vehicles that could do with changing to Tram 07:48:21 <roboboy> eg the red error box that comes up when trying to turn a tram around 07:54:40 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-130-26.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 07:55:26 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:01:31 * peter1138 ponders variable radius farms 08:02:34 <Pikka> oh? 08:02:55 <Pikka> give us fully customisable fields, whydoncha? 08:07:57 <peter1138> well 08:08:01 <peter1138> who knows eh 08:08:43 <Singaporekid> daemomum 08:10:56 <Pikka> skiddles 08:11:03 <Pikka> have you got the eyelander yet 08:11:42 <Singaporekid> Yes 08:11:55 <Singaporekid> No targe though, and demoman is even more op than before now 08:12:16 <Singaporekid> The equalizer is pretty useful though, but I wish soldiers would stop holding it out while calling for medics 08:12:42 * Terkhen is happy burning W+M1 demomans 08:12:59 <Pikka> I only have the equaliser 08:13:09 <Pikka> not had too many problems with demomons 08:13:13 <Singaporekid> direct hit is the new anti-sentry weapon, too 08:13:24 <Pikka> I'm sure 08:14:55 <Pikka> I played for the first time yesterday, missed out on all the new weapon spam 08:15:48 <Pikka> nice scout nerfs too 08:16:03 <Pikka> nerfs/adjustments 08:16:12 <Singaporekid> There are probably charging demomans everywhere now 08:16:16 <Singaporekid> lol sandman 08:16:34 <Pikka> I haven't seen that many charging demomans 08:16:44 <Pikka> and the reduction in stickies is welcome 08:16:47 <Singaporekid> Did you see the new bots? They're pretty smart 08:16:56 <Pikka> nop 08:17:12 <Terkhen> can you get achievements against bots? 08:17:18 <Singaporekid> The engineers build sentry nests on kothes 08:18:11 <Pikka> oh yeah and I got another non-hat hat. 08:18:16 <Pikka> camera beard D: 08:19:28 <Singaporekid> Apparently the camera beard drops very often now since it's in the misc slot 08:20:59 <Pikka> o 08:21:09 <Pikka> so you can wear it with a hat? 08:21:11 <Pikka> intriguing 08:21:12 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:21:36 <Pikka> what happens if you craft four camera beards? 08:23:18 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 08:25:08 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@38.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 08:29:34 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 08:31:24 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:33:54 <Singaporekid> http://www.tf2items.com/crafting/blueprints.php 08:37:21 <Pikka> oic 08:44:43 *** werton [~werton@static243-159-174.adsl.no] has quit [] 08:49:40 <peter1138> pikka pikka 08:49:51 <peter1138> my towns shrink with tai :( 08:50:38 <Pikka> only if they replace a high-population building with a smaller one? 08:50:51 <Pikka> and they don't /all/ shrink... :o 08:51:11 <Pikka> tai is supposed to keep them small and (relatively) unpredictable... :o 08:51:38 <peter1138> not all 08:52:04 <peter1138> some towns get big, then shink 08:52:06 <peter1138> *SRHINK 08:52:09 <peter1138> *SHRINK :s 08:52:19 <peter1138> shame they don't clean up their roads... hehe 08:53:09 <Pikka> :P 08:53:12 <Pikka> well 08:53:14 <Pikka> in that case 08:54:26 <Pikka> it's probably that they build high-population buildings in the centre 08:54:41 <Pikka> so they don't "shrink", they just get more concentrated :P 08:54:52 <peter1138> nope 08:54:55 <peter1138> small houses 08:55:23 <peter1138> actually, looks like original buildings, hmm 08:55:23 <Pikka> how rare 08:55:30 <peter1138> no scrabble board, anyway 08:55:51 <peter1138> oh no, they are tai buildings 08:55:55 <Pikka> the highrises and parks have no scrabble board afair 08:56:02 <peter1138> and they are high population 08:56:18 <peter1138> just not many of them, so the population has decreased massively 08:57:12 <Pikka> hmm 08:57:24 <Pikka> if the populaton is decreasing a lot, sounds buggy 08:58:09 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:02:44 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02:53 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 09:05:46 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 09:06:11 <George> Yexo_: no problem. BTW, did you discovered the problem with a howse not being drawn in FS#3495, test5w.grf (the smallest one)? 09:12:01 <George> Yexo: I creted a new task for thet FS#3497 09:12:43 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:18:15 *** Tennel [~andreas@141.44.229.224] has joined #openttd 09:19:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:42 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@95.18.11.247] has joined #openttd 09:23:15 <Pikka> okay, time to go to dinner, latarz all 09:23:18 *** Pikka [~user@softbank220019198071.bbtec.net] has left #openttd [] 09:28:51 *** Tennel [~andreas@141.44.229.224] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:29:18 *** Tennel [~andreas@141.44.229.224] has joined #openttd 09:34:09 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 09:39:24 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:41:26 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:42:14 *** Tennel [~andreas@141.44.229.224] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 09:42:30 *** Tennel [~andreas@141.44.229.224] has joined #openttd 09:44:06 *** Tennel [~andreas@141.44.229.224] has quit [] 09:45:46 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:07:09 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:08:23 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 10:10:37 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:11:26 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:11:41 <George> Could devs say about the FS#3477? peter1138 provided the diff, so, that stops it from being included in trunk? 10:16:40 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:51 *** Tennel [~andreas@141.44.228.155] has joined #openttd 10:24:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77ADF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:43:33 *** Oli`` [~oli@92.27.146.145] has joined #openttd 10:44:19 <Oli``> I've put sample.cat in ~/.openttd but I'm getting "Error: cannot open file 'sample.cat'". What am I doing wrong? 10:45:42 <welshdragon> it needs to be in the /data directory 10:46:07 <welshdragon> (before anybody else says 'red the readme') 10:47:22 <Oli``> aaaaaah! 10:47:25 <Oli``> thank you welshdragon 10:48:03 <welshdragon> no problems Oli`` 10:53:22 <murr4y> the text files are pretty awesome 10:53:29 <Oli``> What about music? I've shoved the awe, fm and gm folders in data too and I'm not hearing anything remotely jazzy 10:53:35 <murr4y> i had the cpu problem with sdl and pulseaudio 10:53:48 <murr4y> and just skimmed the known-bugs.txt without any expectations 10:53:56 <murr4y> and what-do-you-know, there was the answer 10:54:06 * Oli`` searches for the docs 10:54:18 * Oli`` needs a doc to find the docs on ubuntu >_< 10:54:29 <murr4y> Oli``: gm folder does *not* go in /data :) 10:54:36 <peter1138> to be awkward, the gm directory doesn't go in data 10:54:43 <Oli``> How handy! 10:54:49 <murr4y> very intuitive 10:54:51 * roboboy thinks someone should write a patch that makes the submarines under disasters do something other than wander the map 10:54:56 <Oli``> what about fm and awe? 10:55:38 <Oli``> oh yeah now we're rocking! 10:56:04 <roboboy> is there a patch around to disable select disasters? 10:59:02 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-76-19-211-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:00:15 <SpComb> are the submarines disasters? 11:00:56 <peter1138> only gm is used 11:02:32 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:02:48 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc205e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:03:23 *** JVassie^ [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:03:44 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-76-19-211-133.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... so apparently it crashes on windows as well :( 11:04:18 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F213.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:27 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBC90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:09 <__ln> a portable crash 11:09:18 <Eddi|zuHause> shows how good wine has got, it even ports the crashes 11:15:36 <roboboy> the wiki classes them as disasters and they dont seem to happen when disasters are turned off 11:17:33 <Tennel> whats the problem with the submarines? 11:18:20 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:18:20 <roboboy> they do nothing 11:19:03 <Tennel> it's some kind of easteregg 11:36:06 *** Tennel [~andreas@141.44.228.155] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:49:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:14 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... that is weird... 11:49:43 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently the file "data\buildings\PB_C_Warehouse01ConstructionSite.GR2" is damaged 11:50:14 <Eddi|zuHause> which now explains why the missions 1 through 4 worked, there were no chinese people in there 11:50:53 *** Splex [~splex@n058152254152.netvigator.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:38 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 11:54:49 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:59:55 *** Splex [~splex@n058152254152.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 12:03:03 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.22.170.238] has joined #openttd 12:03:08 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 12:08:56 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 12:22:29 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:52 <__ln> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8447023.stm 12:24:38 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/1/6/822520/-Freak-Current-Takes-Gulf-Stream-to-Greenland 12:28:35 <Oli``> How do I convince a town to let me build an airport? 12:28:50 <ashb> bribe them or build lots of trees 12:29:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Oli``: if you have noise limits enabled, make the town grow or try to build further away from the centre 12:29:34 <Eddi|zuHause> or try a smaller airport 12:31:12 *** Tennel [~andreas@wh2-213.st.Uni-Magdeburg.DE] has joined #openttd 12:35:59 <Oli``> Hmm they think I'm appalling... Might have been because of the "delicate" landscaping I did to make room for the airport >_< 12:40:43 <Eddi|zuHause> then what ashb said 12:56:48 *** Tennel [~andreas@wh2-213.st.Uni-Magdeburg.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:00:45 <Wizzleby> Trees is probably the easier option considering how expensive a bribe is 13:01:05 <Wizzleby> and has thus far always worked for me when my lanscaping ticked off a town 13:01:17 <Ammler> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ActionB <-- should openttd support displaying parameters? 13:02:21 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-205-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:04:04 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:acfa:43be:c471:e272] has joined #openttd 13:04:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:05:17 <SpComb> nuke all the trees in the LA area and replant them 13:05:22 <Ammler> he, Action9 has broken skip rest, it does disable the whole grf 13:05:27 <SpComb> usually nets you a mediocre-good :) 13:07:01 <Rubidium> Ammler: action9 before action8? 13:08:27 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-20-194.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:34 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@95.18.11.247] has quit [Quit: ...] 13:10:12 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 13:10:30 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-20-194.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:07 <Ammler> Rubidium: no 13:16:28 <roboboy> whats the setting in the console for Always allow small airports? 13:16:36 <Ammler> Rubidium: #3500 13:17:22 <roboboy> or how do I turn it on using the console? 13:18:39 <Ammler> hmm, I really should learn to check the ticket properities BEFORE hitting submit :-/ 13:20:35 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:21:43 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F213.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:07 <Coco-Banana-Man> @roboboy: "always_small_airport = true" 13:23:53 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B305.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:03 <Coco-Banana-Man> hmm... 13:24:23 <Coco-Banana-Man> what's the difference between always_small_airport and never_expire_airports? 13:26:01 <Ammler> one might be former of the other 13:26:23 <KenjiE20> never expire will keep them all, small just small? 13:26:35 <roboboy> !rcon setting always_small_airport true using ap+ gives me 'always_small_airport' is an unknown setting. 13:26:35 *** roboboy was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 13:26:49 <Ammler> yes, because that is the old 13:26:51 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:27:08 <roboboy> Using !rcon setting always_small_airport true using ap+ gives me 'always_small_airport' is an unknown setting. 13:27:14 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c0ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:27 <Coco-Banana-Man> then try never_expire_airports... 13:28:38 <roboboy> I think I did 13:29:38 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:29:52 <roboboy> same response but replacing the new patch string in place of the previous suggestion 13:31:46 <Rubidium> you're not allowed to change it in network games anyway 13:33:56 <roboboy> not even using rcon? 13:34:16 <Eoin> not at all 13:34:36 <roboboy> hm then ill have to wait for the comuter airport 13:34:42 <Rubidium> no, it's setting is exported to NewGRFs as such it may not be changed (desyncs and the like) 13:35:00 <roboboy> ok 13:35:11 <roboboy> thats fine 13:35:54 <Ammler> roboboy: it takes around 30 secs to save it locally, change -> upload to server and load again 13:36:57 <roboboy> its not my server but I have rcon acces 13:38:14 * roboboy is sleepy 13:42:40 *** Tennel [~andreas@wh2-213.st.Uni-Magdeburg.DE] has joined #openttd 13:48:23 * roboboy wishes watch companies gui was fro trunk 13:48:47 *** kasuga [~osaka@81.28.163.84] has quit [Quit: ???????????? ???????] 13:49:17 <glx> roboboy: blame Muxy for not deving against trunk ;) 13:49:39 <roboboy> ok 13:53:08 <peter1138> heh 13:53:27 <Rubidium> but... then you can't play on his servers anymore! 13:53:33 *** slas [~chatzilla@25.201.216.81.static.s-o.siw.siwnet.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:31 <roboboy> Muxy can you convert Watch Companies Gui to trunk or provide a trunk version please 13:55:31 <roboboy> I was hoping to merge it with IS2.1.1 13:55:49 <Goulp> aha 13:56:26 <Goulp> roboboy: how much you like it ? 13:56:35 <roboboy> I wasnt going to join watch server GUI servers 13:56:39 * Goulp has Muxy inside 13:57:00 <roboboy> I connect 0.7.5 into letting me join servers with watch server gui patch applied 13:57:10 <roboboy> I conned 0.7.5 into letting me join servers with watch server gui patch applied 13:57:16 <roboboy> I like it alot 13:57:54 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:24 *** slas [~chatzilla@25.201.216.81.static.s-o.siw.siwnet.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 13:59:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75BAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:32 *** Maedhros [~Maedhros@calendular.dur.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:00:41 <Goulp> roboboy: watch server gui - in non dedicated mode, why not, but watch company gui is to be used on client side regardless of the server 14:01:24 <Goulp> *watch company gui patch of course not server - pfff 14:03:52 <roboboy> I realised that 14:03:52 <roboboy> I want to merge it with trunk and IS2.1.1's patch for trunk 14:06:00 <Goulp> ok, then i will work on it 14:07:03 <roboboy> thanx 14:07:32 <Belugas> Hello 14:07:39 <roboboy> some of the other people playing on the IS2.1.1 server sayed they think it would work well with IS2.1.1 as well 14:07:43 <roboboy> hello 14:09:30 <Goulp> sure it will 14:09:52 <Goulp> until you have only one client per company. 14:10:19 <Goulp> if you have many, it works also... but it's another story 14:10:28 * roboboy remembers that screensaver patch that made openttd into a windows screensaver 14:12:47 <roboboy> hehe 14:12:47 <roboboy> IS2.1.1 would be nice with it as sometimes you are working in partnership with another company and you may wish to watch your partners company 14:13:06 <roboboy> how can I generate a distributable package using MSVC? 14:14:31 <Rubidium> see Makefile.msvc 14:15:25 <roboboy> ok 14:17:33 <roboboy> can I get a win32 copy of make? 14:17:41 <roboboy> does MSVC come with it? 14:17:57 <Goulp> should be included into visual studio 14:18:37 <roboboy> ok 14:21:25 <roboboy> hm ill sort that out later 14:24:36 <roboboy> lets see if this compile works 14:31:27 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@25.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 14:33:28 * roboboy mmight go to bed in an hour or so 14:36:03 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-162-115.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 14:38:09 * roboboy shall probably go to sleep in an hour or so instead of waiting to hear anything about a release for the patch 14:41:42 <glx> converting the patch to trunk will take some time (window system is very different) 14:44:48 <Goulp> glx: may be rewrite with new window system will be faster 14:45:25 <roboboy> ok 14:45:29 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-81-107-141-166.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:45:44 <Chris_Booth> any one here know how to write a new AI? 14:45:49 <Chris_Booth> as i want to make my own 14:45:51 <Chris_Booth> and hi to all 14:46:18 <Goulp> roboboy: and i still work hour here 14:47:23 <roboboy> ok 14:47:45 *** Sweet|Home [~Sweet@cpc2-port3-0-0-cust22.cos2.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 14:48:42 <Terkhen> Chris_Booth: http://wiki.openttd.org/NoAI_Forum_FAQ 14:48:57 <Chris_Booth> thanks i found that page now 14:49:15 <Chris_Booth> i should have looked in the wiki first thanks Terkhen 14:49:16 * roboboy waits for OpenTTD to compile 14:51:59 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:48 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 14:55:25 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-57-134.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:57:02 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 14:57:04 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B305.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:03:43 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BD1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:23 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 15:16:43 *** JVassie [~TheExile^@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:21:05 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 15:21:28 <Coco-Banana-Man> hmm.. NoCAB is strange... 15:21:51 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 15:23:37 <Coco-Banana-Man> It has built 5 bus/truck stops in a town with ~800 inhabitants and 5 depots... 15:26:08 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:34:36 <peter1138> hmm, i need to go out to my shed 15:34:42 <peter1138> but i'll ruin the pristine snow ;( 15:36:40 <Timmaexx> I ste NoCab only to use Ships, and it was fine then i opened 12 other nocab companies and OpenTTD lagged ultimate 15:36:46 <Timmaexx> set 15:37:08 <Timmaexx> I know thats silly ;) 15:37:30 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 15:40:38 <Coco-Banana-Man> There really needs to be some way to remove outdated links in CargoDist :( 15:45:35 <Rubidium> peter1138: what about those techniques the army/navy uses to enter/restock ships, i.e. shooting a wire across 15:45:55 *** Elessar [D4QJMBHAbb@verne.ortolo.eu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:58 *** Elessar [pzMm1C6Hwh@verne.ortolo.eu] has joined #openttd 15:50:55 *** Timmaexx [~quassel@port-92-192-57-134.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:24 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:21 <Bluelight> Does anyone got a good server config file? 16:11:02 <Ammler> Bluelight: what's about default? 16:11:36 <Bluelight> I don't understand.. :p 16:11:45 <Bluelight> Default? 16:12:13 <Goulp> Bluelight: what's a good config ? 16:12:37 <Bluelight> It's the file "openttd.cfg", right? 16:12:53 <Goulp> yes, but what's Good ? 16:13:11 <Ammler> it depense what kind of gameplay you expect 16:13:14 <Bluelight> Well with a welcome message and some commands to bankrupt idle companies and stuff.. 16:13:35 <Goulp> welcome message is done by using scripts 16:14:05 <Bluelight> Luukland servers use good config I think.. Like restarting every 6 hours and stuff.. 16:14:22 <Bluelight> Scripts? Ok 16:14:23 <Goulp> restarting every 6 hours is made by patch 16:14:33 <Ammler> visit your own server and talk with the players 16:14:36 <Bluelight> Can someone explain scripts to me then? 16:14:45 <Ammler> then you might see, what's good, what's bad 16:14:57 <Goulp> and all time program is externaly stored 16:15:17 <Goulp> script uses console comands 16:15:38 <Ammler> Bluelight: check subdir scripts 16:15:39 <Goulp> *server console commands 16:15:42 <Bluelight> So it's not good for a n00b to do? 16:15:57 <Goulp> its good for a n00b to learn 16:16:14 <Ammler> Bluelight: much more important than the config is mods/admins to be around. 16:16:30 <Goulp> and wiki reading is a good learning 16:17:02 <Goulp> and curiosity is alos requiered 16:17:06 <Bluelight> Hmm.. Ok 16:17:21 <Rubidium> wiki *writing* is even better for learning 16:17:24 <Bluelight> I'm always curious.. :) 16:17:36 <Goulp> rubidium: Source code reading also 16:17:44 <Bluelight> He he, yeah.. 16:17:52 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm140.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:18:01 <Bluelight> Advanced stuff.. I still don't understand what headers do.. 16:18:23 <Bluelight> iostream.h 16:18:34 <Goulp> iostream.h useless 16:18:43 <Sacro> #include <iostream> 16:18:45 <Bluelight> He he.. 16:18:48 <Goulp> for learing how works OpenTTD 16:18:49 <Sacro> cout < "nooob" < endl; 16:18:59 <Bluelight> He he.. 16:19:00 <Tennel> << 16:19:13 <Tennel> cout << "noob" << endl; 16:19:15 <Rubidium> Sacro: that'll definitely cause compile warnings 16:19:21 <Goulp> Print "Noob" : End 16:19:36 <Xaroth> System.Diagnostics.Debug.WriteLine("noob"); 16:20:03 <Bluelight> So I have to dive into scripts.. :( 16:20:13 <Bluelight> What is the wiki url? 16:20:23 <Xaroth> wiki...... openttd.org? 16:20:23 <Goulp> replace 3w by wiki 16:20:49 <Goulp> as shown in the channel title 16:20:59 <Xaroth> and on the public website 16:21:21 <Goulp> on the public website: just clic 16:38:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f75e1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:40:36 *** fjb is now known as Guest1263 16:40:37 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BFB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:45:54 *** Guest1263 [~frank@p5485BD1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:16 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:49:12 *** fjb is now known as Guest1265 16:49:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F01E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:24 *** Tennel [~andreas@wh2-213.st.Uni-Magdeburg.DE] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:38 *** Guest1265 [~frank@p5485BFB9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:53:47 *** Tennel [~andreas@wh2-213.st.Uni-Magdeburg.DE] has joined #openttd 16:57:36 *** Tennel [~andreas@wh2-213.st.Uni-Magdeburg.DE] has quit [] 17:00:34 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-81-107-141-166.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 17:04:49 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 17:07:46 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.32.131.4] has joined #openttd 17:13:43 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 17:18:21 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:31:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.32.131.4] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:38:05 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d199-126-251-5.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:21 <Bluelight> How do I get companies to bankrupt after someone disconnects from the servewr? 17:50:46 <Bluelight> Aaahhhh!! There are players on my server.. 17:50:50 <Bluelight> BRB 17:53:17 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbc205e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:53:18 <Rubidium> reset_company? 17:54:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.32.131.4] has joined #openttd 17:54:19 <Ammler> :-) 18:01:26 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 18:02:13 <De_Ghosty> can i com level your game? 18:02:17 <De_Ghosty> come* 18:06:16 *** andythenorth [~andy@78.32.131.4] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:09:56 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:07 *** phalax [~phalax@84.19.128.89] has joined #openttd 18:10:11 <Bluelight> Sure.. 18:14:43 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 18:21:19 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:21 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has joined #openttd 18:26:22 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@25.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 18:27:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:36:13 *** Sweet|Home [~Sweet@cpc2-port3-0-0-cust22.cos2.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:37:24 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:11 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-16-169.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:44:38 *** Sweet|Home^ [~Sweet@cpc2-port3-0-0-cust22.cos2.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:46:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r18757 /trunk/src/lang/ (14 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:46:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:46:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 changes by arnau 18:46:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 69 changes by EraserKing 18:46:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: croatian - 36 changes by 18:46:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 11 changes by ReisRyos 18:46:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: danish - 11 changes by beruic 18:47:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r18758 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): -Change: move Malay to the 'finished' languages 18:55:18 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 18:59:20 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-20-194.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59:26 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@188.126.203.230] has joined #openttd 19:01:04 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-20-194.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:03:43 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Going!] 19:04:13 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:07:41 <sparr> how "broken" would you consider old saves to be if signs displayed in a different location? 19:08:12 * FauxFaux would hope that signs were saved against an integer tile reference. 19:08:50 <Eddi|zuHause> sparr: how about you ask a real question? 19:14:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r18759 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix [NewGRF]: don't segfault when a newgrf contains an action2 and action3 but no action0 19:16:10 <Yexo> sparr: if signs from old savegames appear at wrong locations please open a bugreport at bugs.openttd.org 19:16:23 <Yexo> if that's no the case, as Eddi|zuHause said ask your real question 19:18:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18760 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (rlots)[FS#3500]: Action 9 did not properly detect whether an Action 8 was encountered already. 19:28:29 <sparr> FauxFaux: they are 19:29:23 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:29:55 <sparr> FauxFaux: but the placement of the sign with respect to that tile is different at different zoom levels 19:30:17 <sparr> and which tile a sign is related to is not obviously visible 19:30:18 *** Yexo [~Yexo@38-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:30:35 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 19:35:20 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:36:13 <sparr> so I see a lot of signs that are placed such that a </>/v/^ "points" to the intended target 19:36:19 <sparr> which seems like a very clunky solution 19:36:27 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 19:41:49 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 19:45:03 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has quit [] 19:45:30 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 19:45:42 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has quit [] 19:46:00 <Eddi|zuHause> sparr: you are speaking in riddles 19:46:03 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 19:46:10 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has quit [] 19:46:14 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 19:48:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:07 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.96.92.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 19:50:03 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has quit [] 19:51:04 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 19:51:36 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has quit [] 19:51:39 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 19:52:26 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has quit [] 19:52:29 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 19:52:45 <andythenorth> hi 19:53:36 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has quit [] 19:53:52 <Yexo> hello andythenorth 19:54:10 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.181.3.36] has joined #openttd 19:55:15 <Roelmb> can anyone help me with this error i get in Visual c++ 2008 express will compiling openttd src\bridge_gui.cpp(23) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'table/strings.h': No such file or directory 19:56:02 <Yexo> yes, try compiling the whole solution instead of only the openttd project 19:56:19 <Yexo> table/string.h is build by the langs project 19:56:30 <Roelmb> so everything that i get from the svn 19:57:49 <Yexo> yes 19:58:08 <Yexo> if you open the solution you'll see 4 projects: "langs", "openttd", "strgen" and "version" 19:59:45 <Roelmb> yea 20:01:06 <Yexo> under "build" in the menu there is both "Build solution" and "build openttd" (or another proejct name if you selected another one 20:01:11 <Yexo> try "Build solution" 20:01:43 <Roelmb> nope still error 20:02:25 <Yexo> can you try and right-click the langs project, then select build 20:02:27 <Yexo> does that work? 20:03:23 <Roelmb> which of the to i have langs_vs80 and langs_vs90 20:03:40 <Yexo> just open the solution in visual studio first 20:03:49 <Yexo> then you should see the project in the solution explorer 20:05:48 *** roelmb2 [~roelyves@91.181.3.36] has joined #openttd 20:06:07 <roelmb2> got disconnected 20:06:23 <Yexo> just open the solution in visual studio first 20:06:24 <Yexo> then you should see the project in the solution explorer 20:06:28 <Yexo> that where my latest messages 20:07:04 <roelmb2> ok thnx which solution the one i made my self or the ones that are in the openttd directory 20:07:41 <Yexo> you made a solution yourself? 20:07:49 <Yexo> maybe it's better to start over completely 20:07:53 <roelmb2> i think so 20:08:00 <Yexo> just open projects/openttd_vs90.sln 20:08:05 <roelmb2> ok now i have vs90 opened 20:08:27 <Yexo> no .vcproj, but the .sln 20:08:39 <roelmb2> ok 20:09:15 <Yexo> do you see the 4 projects in the solution explorer now? 20:09:50 <roelmb2> yea 20:10:09 <Yexo> then try "Build"->"Build solution" now 20:10:44 <roelmb2> now i get the music error (did i forget to install directx thingy? not that i know) 20:10:58 <Yexo> then your directx install is not correct 20:11:07 <Yexo> did you install openttd-useful btw? 20:11:14 <Yexo> if not that may also be the problem 20:11:23 <roelmb2> usefull ? the files or what 20:11:24 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.181.3.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:11:39 <Yexo> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-useful 20:11:48 <Yexo> you need some header files / libraries to compile openttd 20:11:58 <Yexo> they're packed in a zip (see link above) 20:12:08 <roelmb2> that ones i have where to find the directx so i can reinstall it 20:12:31 <Yexo> there is a link on the openttd wiki 20:13:01 *** Tennel [~andreas@www.pf0hl.de] has joined #openttd 20:13:13 <roelmb2> found it 20:13:53 *** Tennel [~andreas@www.pf0hl.de] has left #openttd [] 20:14:45 *** Tennel [~andreas@www.pf0hl.de] has joined #openttd 20:16:53 <Tennel> hi, which irc bouncers are you using? 20:19:06 <roelmb2> damn the file from the directx takes 15 min to download XD 20:20:35 <Yexo> only 15? I remember having to wait over an hour for the download to finish 20:20:58 <roelmb2> hehe i download it with wireless normally it goes at lightning speed 20:22:27 <roelmb2> is their a way to get an newer patch to an older version without rewriting half of the code 20:22:49 <peter1138> hmm 20:23:36 *** noeN [~Neon@dslb-088-069-205-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:06 <Yexo> <roelmb2> is their a way to get an newer patch to an older version without rewriting half of the code <- no (and I don't understand why you'd want that) 20:25:23 <roelmb2> because i need to get the patch to a version of cargodist but the version of cargodist is not really compatible with the patch 20:25:58 <roelmb2> and if i change the version of cargodist all my other patches won't work anymore 20:26:21 <Alberth> going back in time will only increase your problems in the future 20:27:13 <roelmb2> i see so the only thing i can do is search for newer patches or rewrite the older ones 20:29:23 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 20:29:29 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:47 <roelmb2> what are you laughing with XD 20:30:18 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-205-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:40 <planetmaker> two paths ahead of you: you make a patch pack or you quit compiling ;-) 20:30:42 <Alberth> technically, you can backport a patch to an older version, but the effort is kind of the same as going forward, and eventually you will need to go in that direction anyway (changes tend to have a good reason of being done) 20:31:12 <Alberth> or stop making using patches :) 20:31:16 <planetmaker> Alberth: are you sure you change openttd with a concept and for a reason? >:-) 20:31:54 <roelmb2> I need cargodist for my clan we like playing that but the newest version has some things that should be added 20:32:42 <Alberth> planetmaker: with a concept yes ; for a reason, perhaps :) most changes in openttd are bugfixes though 20:33:53 <planetmaker> he, Alberth, I even read through your oo-window concept before you even started ;-) I added the wrong smiley. ;-) or... however to mark irony 20:34:21 <roelmb2> for example we like to use distant join stations but in cargodist it isn't implented now i tried to put it in and it became doing weird things 20:34:43 <planetmaker> roelmb2: cargodist is not THAT old 20:34:58 <Alberth> every version of openttd has things that should be added, including trunk 20:35:19 <planetmaker> you should hunt for the link to the git repo and clone that 20:35:38 <roelmb2> that i know but it has some weird things in it and also we would like to have the copy paste patch but that one is really old (the ones i found on the board) 20:36:03 <planetmaker> uh... so you take a fossil version of cargodist in order to add c&p? 20:36:08 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 20:36:09 <Alberth> planetmaker: you cannot have read my document before I started, I wrote it after writing the first patch :p 20:36:18 <Bluelight> What is engine_renew = false 20:36:27 <Bluelight> Company 20:36:30 <planetmaker> cargodist repo should be up to trunk with maybe a lag of two weeks or so 20:36:51 <roelmb2> i took the newest version of cargodist XD but after a will i took an older one to get some neccesary patches in it 20:36:54 *** Tennel is now known as Tennel|away 20:36:55 <planetmaker> Alberth: ok, let's say when you still tried to convince Rubidium that your concept is a good one :-) 20:37:18 <planetmaker> roelmb2: I doubt you did. What is "newest"? (Link) 20:37:53 <planetmaker> roelmb2: you're also aware that you'll have to give the binaries to all your mates, right? 20:38:03 <Yexo> Bluelight: it's to enable/disable autorenew 20:38:05 <Bluelight> I can't close my server.. It will wreck everything for those guys playing there.. lol 20:38:06 <planetmaker> and that they cannot play w/o them 20:38:16 <Bluelight> What is autorenew? 20:38:30 <Yexo> see the wiki 20:38:44 <roelmb2> planetmaker: this is the link to the topic http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41992 20:38:56 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has joined #openttd 20:39:04 <Alberth> Bluelight: you have 300 vehicles, that are all beyond their lifetime, renewing them manually is boring 20:39:33 *** Tennel [~andreas@88.150.10.254] has quit [] 20:39:37 <roelmb2> planetmaker: yes i'm aware of that and why shouldn't i put the binaries online 20:39:46 *** Tennel|away is now known as Tennel 20:40:01 <planetmaker> only make available the whole bundles. 20:40:07 <Bluelight> ohh 20:40:07 *** _Andel_ [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:10 <Alberth> planetmaker: any progress on the newgrf gui? 20:40:38 <planetmaker> Alberth: unfortunately not. :S 20:40:39 <roelmb2> planetmaker: and what then 20:40:49 <planetmaker> git clone http://fickzoo.com/fonsinchen/openttd.git <-- you got that version, roelmb2 ? 20:41:25 <roelmb2> no i got the one thats to the trunk 20:41:58 *** Sweet|Home^ [~Sweet@cpc2-port3-0-0-cust22.cos2.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18761 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_house.cpp newgrf_industrytiles.cpp): -Fix [FS#3497]: Spritelayouts do not need an Action 1 if only using default sprites. 20:42:56 <planetmaker> roelmb2: the link I gave that IS trunk 20:43:08 <Eddi|zuHause> <roelmb2> for example we like to use distant join stations but in cargodist it isn't implented now i tried to put it in and it became doing weird things <-- err... distant join has been included for months... 20:43:10 <planetmaker> with cargodist fit in. 20:43:25 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I try to tell him for long now ;-) 20:43:28 <roelmb2> it was an example XD 20:43:44 <planetmaker> I guess he's using an antique version dating back to 1943 or so 20:43:51 <Eddi|zuHause> wrong examples do not exactly support your point :p 20:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause> roelmb2: and generally, if you want to port patches to cargodist, you better use the git version 20:44:30 <roelmb2> planetmaker: and with what do i need to get the git 20:44:32 <planetmaker> a point well made, Eddi|zuHause ;-) 20:44:45 <planetmaker> roelmb2: yes, you do 20:45:06 <Eddi|zuHause> roelmb2: of course you need git to get the git 20:45:37 <roelmb2> fine i just downloaded the patch next to the link of the git 20:46:29 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:50:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE24.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:52:56 <andythenorth> for Manufacturing Supplies, cargo label MNSP or MASP? 20:53:14 <andythenorth> or MFSP or MGSP? 20:53:28 <FauxFaux> MFSP 20:53:37 <andythenorth> any other votes? 20:53:53 <roelmb2> MFSP 20:54:29 <Rubidium> use STUF and use it for everything. Makes it all a lot easier 20:54:47 <FauxFaux> Shut the up fuuuuuuuuu? 20:54:52 <andythenorth> Rubidium: nah, it'll conflict with the existing grf that does that 20:55:31 <andythenorth> How about MATT for Matter 20:55:36 <andythenorth> then AMAT for Anti-Matter? 20:55:50 <andythenorth> seems to have most things covered 20:56:01 <Rubidium> what about " " 20:56:24 <andythenorth> empty space? 20:56:46 <Rubidium> yeah 20:57:04 <FauxFaux> Oh, haha, you meant "stuff". That totally didn't occur tome. 20:57:05 <andythenorth> oh god the wiki formatting for the cargo labels table is terrifying :o 20:57:11 <andythenorth> I'm actually scared to edit it 20:57:30 <Rubidium> or... in Haskell 'speak' "____" 20:57:42 <Rubidium> (don't care) 20:58:20 <andythenorth> how is this in any way better than html: http://paste.openttd.org/220922 20:58:22 * frosch123 would prefer it being mediawiki instead of tikiwiki 20:58:22 <andythenorth> wiki crap 20:58:39 * andythenorth would prefer a proper markup instead of this childish crap 20:59:13 <frosch123> andythenorth: what do you expect from a nfo description :p 20:59:32 <andythenorth> it's only cargo labels... 20:59:41 <andythenorth> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=CargoTypes 21:00:18 * andythenorth stops whining 21:02:22 *** Bluelight [~Ivan@170.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 21:03:49 <andythenorth> MFSP was nice, but too easily confused with FMSP when coding. I've defined it as MNSP 21:04:47 <frosch123> MSPL :p 21:07:17 <Alberth> SUPL 21:08:22 <Eddi|zuHause> what about MSUP? 21:08:51 <planetmaker> are you sure they're a supremum? ;-) 21:09:41 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 21:09:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it's more about feeling than about being sure ;) 21:11:01 <Eddi|zuHause> technically, the cargo labels are integers, so it doesn't have to match a letter sequence at all... 21:11:34 <Yexo> true, but as AI author I wouldn't like a cargo label with invalid characters 21:11:59 <Eddi|zuHause> or add some more fun, make them lower case ;) 21:12:16 <frosch123> yeah, use "Eddi" 21:12:19 <Belugas> ATNL 21:12:29 <Belugas> Andy The North Lable 21:13:22 <Eddi|zuHause> andy always reminds me of the first doctor who episode: "why do you speak like someone from the north?" - "lots of planets have a north." 21:13:50 <Alberth> frosch123: we already have TOUR 21:15:15 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: For a given value of first. 21:15:33 <andythenorth> more importantly, why do the 'corrupt sprite' question marks make the game run dog slow / crash ? 21:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: the first one that i have seen 21:16:23 <Prof_Frink> First of the 'new' Who, certainly. 21:16:26 <andythenorth> or are the question marks just an indication that I've broken the grf, and therefore the slowness is some choking nfo... 21:16:28 <andythenorth> ? 21:16:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: well, obviously. 21:20:11 *** heffer [~felix@ip-88-152-182-156.unitymediagroup.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 21:22:59 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:26:28 *** roelmb2 [~roelyves@91.181.3.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:07 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 21:33:51 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool3-0-0-cust999.sotn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:38:21 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:46:47 *** Madis [~stabuinte@82.131.16.156.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558]] 21:56:36 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.181.3.36] has joined #openttd 21:58:03 *** amiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:59:48 *** Antigon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 22:04:15 <peter1138> ... ... ... 22:04:21 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/wtf.png 22:04:54 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:05:15 <Aali> peter1138: whats wrong? 22:05:24 <FauxFaux> Not enough signals. 22:05:50 <Rubidium> HAHA 22:05:57 <Rubidium> omflol 22:06:13 <Rubidium> epicness of epicness 22:06:24 <sawtooth> heh, adding more track to that must be annoying. gotta remove the signals first. 22:06:34 <FauxFaux> I totally don't get it. /o\ 22:06:49 * Rubidium wonders how many got the wtf 22:06:59 <Aali> the no signal gap thing atleast isn't hurting the trains 22:07:02 <FauxFaux> Both entry signals to the refinery are one way, but.. =p 22:07:07 <Aali> the broken presignals are 22:07:13 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/wtf2.png 22:07:43 <Rubidium> disabled 90 degree turns? 22:07:50 <peter1138> Rubidium, it seems that, actually, nobody knows how to signal :s 22:08:09 <rane> is there any reason to use path signals on a straight track like that? 22:08:13 <rane> instead of block signals 22:08:34 <Yexo> no 22:08:36 <Aali> rane: yes, it will use slightly more CPU 22:08:47 <frosch123> and you can reverse trains 22:08:56 <rane> alright, might be useful here then 22:08:59 <rane> -20?C 22:09:04 <frosch123> (though why would you want to :p) 22:09:07 <rane> also, path signals look cooler 22:09:20 <Belugas> hehehe 22:09:23 <Belugas> ho... 22:09:25 <peter1138> you guys need to learn up on signalling if you can't see anything wrong 22:09:26 <Belugas> time to go home! 22:09:27 <Belugas> bye!! 22:09:30 <sawtooth> also easier than switching the signal type 22:09:31 <peter1138> Belugas, enjoy 22:09:43 <Belugas> will, will peter! 22:09:48 * Belugas is gone 22:10:03 <andythenorth> be gone 22:10:06 <andythenorth> with you 22:10:10 <andythenorth> good night :) 22:10:29 <rane> I can see many weird things but I don't have enough experience to say for sure what's *wtf* 22:11:04 <Aali> everything is wtf, really 22:11:08 <Yexo> night Belugas 22:11:14 <andythenorth> well one wtf is how boring it must be to place that many signals on diagonal track 22:11:15 <Aali> not one single signal is optimally placed 22:11:28 <Yexo> andythenorth: drag-drop signals with signal distance 1 22:11:34 <Yexo> not boring at all 22:11:42 <sawtooth> peter1138: and the path signals clearly are not in safe waiting places 22:12:08 *** Antigon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:12:27 <peter1138> aww, they gave up and left 22:12:38 <peter1138> wonder how long until there's bug reports that signals don't work ;p 22:12:43 <andythenorth> since when did signal drag and drop work on n-s track? Seems I know nothing about signals either 22:12:57 <sawtooth> hmm...that is a nice looking font in that interface peter1138 22:13:02 <Aali> andythenorth: ctrl-click and drag one square 22:13:05 <sawtooth> at least better than whatever my openttd is using 22:13:08 <Aali> boom, whole track filled 22:13:25 <peter1138> Liberation Sans, Bold 16 22:16:52 <andythenorth> randomly found this while testing something else: http://tt-foundry.com/misc/kind_of_cute.png 22:17:44 <Yexo> nice :) 22:17:54 <Yexo> andythenorth: is that a single industry with multiple tilelayouts? 22:17:57 <andythenorth> yes 22:18:03 <Yexo> hmm 22:18:05 <andythenorth> well, no 22:18:13 <andythenorth> it's four industries 22:18:31 <andythenorth> do you mean 'industry id' or 'instance on the map' :) 22:18:35 <Yexo> industry id 22:18:36 <rane> what kind of industry is that? 22:18:41 <andythenorth> it's one industry id 22:18:43 <Yexo> ok 22:18:48 <andythenorth> rane: fishing harbour 22:18:55 <andythenorth> Yexo: should it feature a dock? 22:18:57 <Yexo> http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=Newgrf_Airports_Documentation#Action_0_Airports <- prop 14/15 I added yesterday 22:18:59 <Xaroth> looks quite nice 22:19:11 <Xaroth> what it do? 22:19:16 <andythenorth> supplies fish 22:19:18 <rane> is that downloadable? I haven't seen much decent looking NewGRF so far 22:19:21 <rane> that looks nice indeed 22:19:25 <Yexo> I think I should find a way to have a different arrivel tile per tilelayout 22:19:32 <Yexo> or maybe it needs a callback for it 22:20:18 <andythenorth> rane, it's in FIRS which is in development. There is a nightly, but I don't recommend it this week, it's going through birthing pains ;) 22:20:27 <Yexo> but that only brings me to the next problem that it'd be an airport callback and an airport callback can't access the industry information 22:20:28 <andythenorth> unless you like contributing to newgrf development by testing 22:20:48 <rane> does 22:20:58 <rane> does it contain other industries besides that? 22:21:04 <peter1138> Yexo, parent scope? 22:21:13 <andythenorth> rane http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=41607 22:21:27 <peter1138> (although that's probably already taken) 22:21:33 <Yexo> peter1138: parent scope for airports is the closest town 22:21:44 <frosch123> yeah, we need a third scope for both 22:21:56 <frosch123> airport->industry, and industry/industrytile->airport 22:22:10 <peter1138> either third scope, or just add industry properties to airport varactions 22:22:24 <peter1138> (bit messy mind you) 22:22:30 <frosch123> peter1138: industry variables and station variables conflict 22:22:46 <frosch123> esp. 80+ stuiff :p 22:22:56 <peter1138> hmm, true, i was thinking it was new stuff for both. weird 22:23:02 <Yexo> oh, parent scope for airports is currently the vehicle (if any) 22:23:03 <andythenorth> Yexo: so the current method of providing a special tile in the industry layout would be deprecated? 22:23:12 <Yexo> andythenorth: most likely yes 22:23:17 <andythenorth> ok 22:23:27 <Yexo> that is, "if it's up to me yes" 22:23:51 <andythenorth> currently the 18h tile magic is a bit crap anyway 22:23:56 <frosch123> so you found a way around needing stationtiles, or is there one hidden somewhere? 22:24:07 <peter1138> add more scopes, if that's possible 22:24:10 <Yexo> I don't need station tiles 22:24:20 <Yexo> ships don't need station tiles, just a station and a destination tile 22:24:28 <Yexo> and the destination tile should be plain water,so that was easy to implement 22:24:51 <Yexo> planes did need station tiles, but that was only a single assert that needed changing 22:25:04 <frosch123> what happens if a ship is in the statemachine and you turn the entrytile into land? :p 22:25:21 <Yexo> well currently ships can't enter the statemachine :) 22:25:27 <Yexo> haven't implemented that part yet 22:25:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.208.231] has joined #openttd 22:25:45 <Yexo> but that's a good point 22:25:56 <Yexo> on the other hand the entrytile is not necesarily the exit tile 22:26:00 <Yexo> so it might be valid 22:26:17 <frosch123> hmm, multiple entry/exit tiles are complicated, as not every entrytile might be connected to sea. 22:26:42 <Yexo> my current idea was to limit it to a single entry tile 22:26:44 <frosch123> and enforcing ships to only use the same tile for exit as for entering is weird 22:26:53 <Yexo> exit tiles are defined by the statemachine, so multiple exit tiles are no problem 22:27:12 *** sparrL [kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:27:23 <Yexo> but if not all exit tiles are connected that could be a problem 22:27:30 <frosch123> Yexo: well, not for the statemachine, but for the player :p 22:27:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@89.246.196.21] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:54 <sparrL> the decreasing payments for slow cargo delivery is a factor not sufficiently conveyed by the available graphs. i wish the new graphs patch was current, instead of hundreds of revisions old 22:27:56 <Yexo> yes :) 22:28:20 <frosch123> so, maybe the singletile thingie is good enough for a start :) 22:28:43 <sparrL> I knew that time was a factor, but I never realised that total profit could actually go DOWN for making longer deliveries 22:28:52 <sparrL> yay for the wiki :) 22:28:53 <frosch123> you would also get a stationtile again if you protect it from terraforming by placing a oilrigstationtile there :p 22:29:01 <Yexo> hehe :) 22:29:07 *** Roelmb [~roelyves@91.181.3.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:44 <frosch123> hmm, btw., doesn't ais need stationtiles? 22:30:55 <Yexo> perhaps, haven't thought much about that yet 22:30:58 <andythenorth> if you prevent ships from using the state machine.... 22:31:05 <andythenorth> ....I won't have to code the bloody state machine for them :P 22:31:08 <andythenorth> :D 22:31:34 <Yexo> andythenorth: if you just have an arrival tile where the ships can stop and load/unload (like the existing dock) the statemachine is very easy 22:31:40 <andythenorth> exactly... 22:31:50 <frosch123> andythenorth: just confess yexo to use a default statemachine if none is supplied 22:31:55 <andythenorth> anyway, I don't know enough about this aspect so I'll shutup 22:32:33 <Yexo> andythenorth: it's be as simple as a single varaction2 (not a varaction2 chain, a single sprite) 22:33:42 <andythenorth> ok 22:42:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r18762 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: unduplicate sprite layout drawing between industries and houses 22:42:55 <frosch123> hmm, some boring day i will start a poll about "unduplicate" vs. "undupify" vs. "deduplicate" :p 22:45:59 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 22:46:12 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 22:46:24 <asilv> only one google hit for undupify :) 22:46:46 <asilv> but 2 more soon I guess 22:51:41 *** Sweet|Home [~Sweet@cpc2-port3-0-0-cust22.cos2.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:51:44 <frosch123> http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1141760 <- :) 22:55:46 <frosch123> unduplication < unduplicate < deduplicate < deduplicated < unduplicated < deduplication 22:57:31 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:00:35 * frosch123 should better go to sleep 23:00:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f75e1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:31 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 23:02:46 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:03:45 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 23:03:59 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host81-135-85-113.range81-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:05:33 <SpComb> peter1138: stop playing online 23:15:09 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 23:18:21 <andythenorth> when cargo is distributed from station to neighbouring industry, could it use round-robin, not nearest neighbour? 23:28:10 <Rubidium> could yes, but that's more expensive to calculate 23:28:22 <Rubidium> because then it also happens for houses 23:28:38 <Rubidium> hmm, no not for houses, that's only the other way around 23:29:06 <Rubidium> although it should share passengers with houses then :) 23:31:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE24.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:59 <__ln> interesting situation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqnt_OEpHF8 (no nudity) 23:43:54 <Chrill> no nudity? aww 23:44:04 <Chrill> There we go, channel contribution of the day 23:56:44 <sawtooth> Chrill: at least my day is now complete 23:57:46 *** noeN [~Neon@dslb-088-069-205-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...]