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01:10:39  <Eoin> lol
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01:13:08  <fjb> They also have to eat.
01:15:10  <Eoin> and smoke, and piss
01:15:37  <fjb> No smoking.
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06:38:34  <roboboy> grr NekoMaster can be annoying
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09:05:56  <Sevalecan> gotta love git bisect.
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09:06:31  <Sevalecan> I'm going to find where this bug came from if it's the last thing I do!
09:07:29  <Noldo> I hope it's not
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09:31:43  <vici> morning :-)
09:31:49  <vici> bah
09:31:51  *** vici is now known as Celestar
09:32:02  <Noldo> that's better
09:32:04  <Noldo> hi
09:32:16  <Celestar> how's everyone doing?
09:32:31  <planetmaker> :-O A Celestar !
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09:32:35  <roboboy> hello
09:32:51  <Celestar> a new planet :D
09:33:02  <planetmaker> how's going?
09:33:19  <planetmaker> Do I now have to say 'you' to you? ;-)
09:33:25  <Celestar> lmao
09:33:29  <Celestar> doing really fine
09:34:14  <planetmaker> good to hear :-)
09:34:19  <Celestar> beeng tracking openttd a bit :)
09:34:31  <planetmaker> hehe. Old addictions die hard, eh?
09:34:38  <Celestar> they never did
09:34:43  <Celestar> I just didn't get around to coding
09:34:51  <__ln> first a Bjarni, now a Celestar.  they reappear in alphabetical order.
09:34:55  <Celestar> might resume once my dissertation is finished :)
09:35:10  <planetmaker> oh, I thought it is by now :-)
09:35:26  <Celestar> yeah so did :(
09:35:29  <Celestar> looong story
09:35:32  <planetmaker> welcome to the club
09:35:45  <Celestar> doing 2.5 years of full time sysadmin takes its tool
09:35:48  <Celestar> toll
09:35:52  <planetmaker> yeah
09:36:00  <Celestar> plus I have a job :P
09:36:10  <Noldo> plus?
09:36:19  <planetmaker> not at the 'versity you do your diss?
09:36:38  <Celestar> I quit Uni last fall.
09:36:41  * roboboy wonders whats happening in Eurpoe
09:36:47  <planetmaker> oh. right. That kind of thing
09:36:56  <Celestar> doing real work now :P
09:37:00  <Celestar> software development, for a change.
09:37:27  <planetmaker> he. You were doing what before? Aerodynamics?
09:37:30  <Celestar> yeah
09:37:39  <Celestar> Aerospace Engineering
09:37:46  <peter1138> __ln, except hackykid as well...
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09:37:52  <Celestar> PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETER :D
09:38:01  <Celestar> how ya been?
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09:41:41  <Rubidium> don't forget DV few months ago
09:42:11  <planetmaker> ghosts roaming these places :-P
09:42:37  <Eddi|zuHause> and truebrain after a few weeks of absence ;)
09:43:11  <peter1138> hi celestar
09:43:22  <peter1138> Celestar, i think we're a bit behind with cargodest ;(
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09:47:22  <Rubidium> anyhow... /me waves to Celestar
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09:48:13  <Celestar> peter1138: slightly?
09:48:17  <Celestar> Rubidium:  :)
09:48:33  <Celestar> peter1138: about time we change it? :P
09:48:36  <Rubidium> Celestar: yeah, we're always using those words :)
09:48:46  <planetmaker> :-D
09:48:50  <Rubidium> e.g. there has been a slight increase in traffic since 1.0.0-beta
09:48:52  <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/dec2.png
09:50:01  <Celestar> peter1138: but maybe a rewrite is needded :P
09:50:18  <planetmaker> hehe
09:50:58  <Eddi|zuHause> or a review of cargodist?
09:51:13  <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/stats.pdf <- also show small spikes with 1.0.0-beta1
09:51:13  <Celestar> lost track of that project tbh
09:52:02  <Celestar> what are the 2 trendlines Rubidium ?
09:53:01  <Rubidium> one (the green one) is a 2 (or 4?) week average, the other is the trendline as OOcalc think it should be
09:53:27  * roboboy pokes his head back in again
09:54:14  <Rubidium> oh, 30 day average
09:54:19  <Celestar> both point upwards :P
09:55:04  <Rubidium> last page is blue number of content downloads, yellow number of MBs downloaded
09:55:38  <planetmaker> he. All downloading base sets, I guess at Christmas?
09:55:38  <Rubidium> yes... at busy days 30 GB is downloaded via the content download system alone
09:56:10  <Rubidium> actually, the downloads done by the installer isn't included in either figure
09:56:20  <planetmaker> oh...
09:57:12  <Celestar> mesa liked the installed
09:57:15  <Celestar> installer
10:00:37  * roboboy wonders what nfo stands for
10:00:49  <Rubidium> nothing
10:01:10  <Rubidium> although there're probably enough backronyms to be found
10:02:07  <roboboy> yeah
10:02:33  <Wizzleby> you mean it doesn't just stand for 'info'? :)
10:03:32  <Celestar> heh
10:03:53  <roboboy> and would you call it a programming language?
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10:08:52  <Celestar> it's turing complete is it not?
10:09:00  <planetmaker> ^ so, yes, it is :-)
10:13:00  <Eddi|zuHause> why would "turing complete" be a requirement for "programming language"?
10:13:28  <Celestar> it's not a requirement
10:13:33  <Celestar> it's an indicator :P
10:13:43  <Eddi|zuHause> and lack of loops is a bit problematic
10:14:20  <planetmaker> difference between necessary and sufficient
10:14:50  <Celestar> afaik turning complete is neither necessary nor sufficient :P
10:14:56  <Rubidium> argh...
10:15:13  <Celestar> hm .. what IS the status of the Mac port?
10:15:20  <peter1138> argh?
10:15:21  <planetmaker> discontinued
10:15:33  <Rubidium> would it be acceptable if you laptop goes into uhm... thermal protected (i.e. kill itself) after 30 seconds of video playback?
10:15:35  <Celestar> forever? :P
10:15:52  <Celestar> Rubidium: if you play less .. hot videos, it might not (=
10:16:09  <Rubidium> but the daily show isn't that hot
10:16:13  <planetmaker> until someone picks it up again, I guess. With sufficient fevor and knowledge to become an official dev
10:16:19  <Rubidium> at least not hot enough to show on television here
10:16:41  <Celestar> maybe I should look at it :P
10:17:07  <Rubidium> you're a mac user now?
10:17:10  <planetmaker> many said that already...
10:17:32  <Celestar> Rubidium: nah I'm not, but I have access to macs.
10:18:35  * roboboy ponders trying to write a wikipedia artice for NFO
10:18:52  <Eddi|zuHause> from what i heard it's knowledge of mac api, not access to mac, that is the problem
10:18:54  <planetmaker> roboboy, wikipedia or the openttd wiki?
10:19:10  <roboboy> wikipedia
10:19:27  <roboboy> its listed under the disambiguation page for NFO http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nfo
10:19:33  <planetmaker> then it will probably be classified as 'irrelevant' :-P
10:19:47  <roboboy> It probably will
10:19:53  <Rubidium> roboboy: first find a number of good sources... otherwise they might quickly kill it again
10:19:59  <roboboy> but ill try
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10:22:51  <Sevalecan> Noldo: it took me until now to get the meaning of "I hope it's not" in response to my comment :P
10:23:12  <Sevalecan> I did find the revision the bug was introduced in without dying, though
10:23:21  <Noldo> great!
10:23:54  <Celestar> why do they have to make DVD playback such a pita?
10:26:50  <roboboy> has it already been written and deleted?
10:26:50  <roboboy> is the TTDP wiki a good initial source?
10:26:54  <Rubidium> oh yes... this new motherboard really helps with my stability problems...
10:27:09  <Rubidium> roboboy: no, that's the primary source, not an independent secondary source
10:27:38  <Sevalecan> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3551 <3 I wonder if subversion has an equivalent to git bisect.
10:27:41  <roboboy> hm /me wonders where to find secondary sources on NFO
10:27:50  <Rubidium> just look at the openttd page discussion about merging with the transport tycoon page
10:28:07  <roboboy> ive read some of it
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10:34:44  <Celestar> hm..
10:34:49  <Celestar> quite neat this VMWare Workstation 7
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11:04:02  <peter1138> MTBF: 294,928 hour(s)
11:04:06  <peter1138> isn't that a bit... specific?
11:05:27  <Sevalecan> lol
11:05:31  <Noldo> MTBF?
11:05:37  <Sevalecan> mean time before failure?
11:06:09  <peter1138> yeah
11:07:15  <peter1138> is it me, or is that over 33 years?
11:09:24  <Wizzleby> about 33 and 2/3
11:11:35  <peter1138> mm
11:11:39  <peter1138> i find that unlikely :)
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11:15:10  <Celestar> mean time between failures afaik
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11:21:24  <peter1138> yeah i know what MTBF means :)
11:22:05  <Terkhen> hello
11:25:38  <fjb> Be careful, it's a mean time.
11:25:47  <fjb> Moin Terkhen
11:26:06  <__ln> mean time between f***
11:26:30  <peter1138> yeah, that must mean in some cases it'll be much longer
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11:39:30  <Celestar> Hackykid :D
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11:43:35  <Rubidium> Pikka!
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11:48:03  <SpComb^> "Unfortunately the university does not allow any external DNS entries, that means anything outside the .utwente.nl range, to point to any machine within the university's IP-range. That includes our server. This means that it is not possible for projects to create a 'ftp1.nl.project.tld' and let that DNS point to our server."
11:48:32  <SpComb^> not possible eh
11:48:56  <Rubidium> ftp.nl.debian.org?
11:49:03  <Noldo> what does not allowing mean in practice?
11:49:45  <Rubidium> Noldo: just resolve ftp.nl.debian.org to an IP and reverse dns that to give you a clue
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11:51:14  <Rubidium> on the other hand, OpenTTD's mirroring system doesn't strictly need it :)
11:51:35  <__ln> how do they not allow it for me, for example?
11:52:13  <Noldo> so they don't want to configure the reverse to from their ip range to outside their dns range
11:53:04  <Rubidium> ah well, I know at least TWO dnses not in .utwente.nl that resolve to 130.89.0.0/16: ftp.nl.debian.org and utwente.de
11:53:24  <Rubidium> but technically they don't allow it
11:53:36  <Noldo> what are they doing to stop it?
11:53:48  <Rubidium> by the looks of it not much
11:54:03  <Rubidium> but... the question is: what's pointing
11:54:25  <peter1138> you might end up in the wrong vhost :)
11:54:32  <peter1138> (if it has vhosts)
11:54:47  <Rubidium> nl.binaries.openttd.org CNAME ftp.snt.utwente.nl" target="_blank">ftp.snt.utwente.nl \n ftp.snt.utwente.nl" target="_blank">ftp.snt.utwente.nl A 130.89.149.20
11:55:04  <Rubidium> does that mean nl.binaries.openttd.org points to an IP within the 130.89.0.0/16 range?
11:55:15  <Noldo> :)
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12:10:01  <peter1138> so, er, how do i set up ssh to require a password as well as keys?
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12:17:45  <Sevalecan> is that even possible?
12:17:58  <Sevalecan> unless you have to give a password to the key when you make it..
12:18:02  * Sevalecan doesn't know :P
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12:32:37  <TinoDidriksen> Yeah, you'd have to create the key locked with a password.
12:33:16  <TinoDidriksen> The whole point is that no password is sent over the wire.
12:38:42  <SpComb^> create a custom keyboard-interactive auth method that asks the user to type in their public key
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13:02:28  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18884 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt newgrf.cpp): -Fix: [NewGRF] Perform bounds checking for all NewGRF data reads. Explicit length checks (which were not always correct) are no longer needed so these are removed to simplify code.
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13:07:38  <Celestar> netsplits have not changed a bit :P
13:08:16  <Forked> hm
13:08:29  <glx> oh Celestar is back
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13:09:17  <planetmaker> Celestar, they only are present when you're here :-P
13:09:53  <planetmaker> Like "what was that?" - "A plug" - "How do you know" - "I hold it in my hands :-P" ;-)
13:09:57  <Celestar> oh heya glx
13:10:08  <Celestar> lol pm
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13:11:08  <planetmaker> joke aside, they're not that often, though. Bad timing, I guess
13:12:00  <peter1138> (sorry andythenorth)
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13:13:03  <planetmaker> hm @ peter1138 ?
13:13:31  <planetmaker> breaking FIRS?
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13:14:48  <peter1138> HEQS
13:15:12  <planetmaker> oh. May I ask how? I read the commit, but...
13:15:33  <planetmaker> wait... HEQS has some bad sprites IIRC, right?
13:15:37  <peter1138> exactly
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13:20:29  <Celestar> I gotta head out
13:20:32  <Celestar> work cals
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14:03:48  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18885 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r18884): Industry tile layouts weren't completely freed on error.
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14:19:38  <JVassie^> wheres the easiest place to get heightmaps of the uk from pls?
14:19:52  <JVassie^> anyone got any ideas?
14:20:24  <planetmaker> google maps? NASA? ESA?
14:20:39  <Noldo> aren't there some heightmap threads in the forums
14:20:51  <planetmaker> ^ might be even easier ;-)
14:20:56  <planetmaker> or even on bananas
14:20:57  <JVassie^> heh
14:21:07  <JVassie^> not looking for all of UK
14:21:35  <planetmaker> ok, easiest: your government bureau of cartography
14:21:40  <planetmaker> But it will cost you
14:21:51  <JVassie^> le sigh :p
14:21:55  <JVassie^> preferably free
14:22:01  <JVassie^> (i know its scabby)
14:22:08  <planetmaker> tsk tsk. All those nasty boundary conditions
14:22:11  <planetmaker> And online even, too
14:22:14  <planetmaker> and digital
14:23:28  <planetmaker> honestly, check out NASA (afair). They have global DEM at ~km scale. But it needs of course processing to something useful for OpenTTD
14:23:38  <JVassie^> yeah
14:23:43  <JVassie^> i have the thread handy
14:23:46  <JVassie^> toconvert them
14:23:52  <JVassie^> using microdem or whatever its called
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14:26:57  <planetmaker> http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/bathymetry/relief.html
14:27:23  <planetmaker> ^ JVassie^
14:27:30  <Eddi|zuHause> my new computer is here \o/
14:27:48  <Noldo> we got on Monday \o/
14:27:56  <JVassie^> thnx planetmaker :)
14:28:07  <Noldo> my son really likes the touchscreen
14:28:38  <planetmaker> yw
14:29:31  <planetmaker> good to have it bookmarked. Bad to have it in a pile of hundret bookmarks ;-)
14:30:04  <Eddi|zuHause> question: install first, or put hard drives in it first?
14:30:23  <Noldo> install what?
14:30:25  <planetmaker> dd old system
14:30:31  <planetmaker> and then boot from new ;-)
14:32:26  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i doubt that is a good idea :p
14:32:34  <planetmaker> depends ;-)
14:32:57  <planetmaker> but I wonder why you would want to start the new machine without HDD.
14:33:38  <Eddi|zuHause> well, it does have A hard drive in it
14:33:50  <planetmaker> ah ;-)
14:34:08  <planetmaker> well, if it is sufficient as system partition. Why not use it as such?
14:34:17  <planetmaker> having that separate is not a bad idea anyway.
14:34:29  <Noldo> I would put all hard drives in first
14:35:09  <Eddi|zuHause> well. i'd rather reuse one of the existing partitioned disks as system, so i could use that one in full...
14:35:28  <planetmaker> then I'd follow Noldo's advice
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14:40:37  <rait> hello. me again with the mysterious exit freeze on server 2008 r2. this time it's beta3. any point in uploading the dump?
14:41:50  <Noldo> it freezes when you click quit ?
14:43:13  <rait> yes
14:43:58  <Noldo> I had that too
14:44:22  <rait> what OS?
14:44:30  <Noldo> ubuntu 9.10
14:45:22  <rait> hmm, probablly different bug, mine seems to be caused by windows's sound system not releasing a channel or something.
14:45:47  <rait> i'm not a dev, but i think it is unrelated to my freeze
14:47:00  <rait> do you have any steps to reproduce?
14:47:12  <Noldo> click quit :)
14:47:24  <rait> happens every time?
14:47:26  <Noldo> yes
14:48:15  <rait> beta3?
14:48:53  <rait> as in openttd 1.0.0-beta3
14:49:25  <peter1138> use -s null ;)
14:49:53  <rait> who was it addressed to?
14:49:59  <peter1138> anyone
14:54:19  <planetmaker> rait, the question is: do you have a sure way to reproduce that behaviour?
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14:58:40  <Luukland> Ahum, I reported some graphical glitches some days ago in the nightlies
14:58:44  <Luukland> but they are still excisting
14:59:08  <Luukland> when leaving a game/leaving multiplayer, huge graphic errors, win32, win 7, latest nightly
14:59:11  <planetmaker> oh no!
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15:00:05  <Belugas> hello
15:00:13  <peter1138> hmm, don't see any FS report
15:00:40  <Luukland> For these things? :)
15:00:45  <peter1138> well yes
15:01:26  <Luukland> Let me make one
15:02:42  <Luukland> Ah no, I can't ;) I deleted my account :p
15:05:02  <Eddi|zuHause> what did you do that for?
15:05:41  <Luukland> None of your business
15:06:20  <Belugas> nasty boy
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15:10:17  <peter1138> silly RIPE, sending invoices that have already been paid
15:11:19  <planetmaker> he. But maybe accounting needs that for whatever purpose...
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15:17:32  <Eddi|zuHause> i think i'm out for a while...
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15:19:38  <luckz> is there btw anything to help distinguish what trains belong to which train set, if you have like 300?
15:20:18  <luckz> also, for using multiple vehicle grfs, is there one to get the default vehicles back/in too?
15:22:03  <Elessar> 300 trains. I am only beginning with OpenTTD (and *TTD, by the way), and I do not know hopw you can manage them.
15:22:47  <planetmaker> luckz, use the grf which provides the default vehicles (again)
15:22:56  <planetmaker> Most vehicle newgrfs deactivate the default ones.
15:23:13  <peter1138> just turn off multiple vehicle sets and stop loading so many
15:26:26  <Rubidium> rait: does your system have a sound card? If so, which one?
15:26:47  <luckz> planetmaker: I don't see "the grf which provides the default vehicles" in my Available NewGRF Files window, so.. do I have to make a copy of trg*.grf somewhere else, or ..?
15:27:09  <Yexo> luckz: no, you have to download origveh.grf
15:28:21  <planetmaker> ^
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15:34:34  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18886 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix (r18884): Spurious casting
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15:39:39  <rait> planetmaker: i have no way's to reproduce it, at least nothing that is 100% reliable
15:40:14  <rait> i only see this after playing sessions, ant they usually take hours. no way to tell what trigers it
15:40:33  <planetmaker> rait, if you have a non-reliable way it's better than none ;-)
15:41:00  <planetmaker> as long as the non-reliable way is... faster than hours ;-)
15:41:20  <planetmaker> e.g. do A, do B, do C, then D and with 70% you get a hang
15:41:21  <rait> Rubidium, only the one integrated on the mobo
15:41:58  <rait> planetmaker, if there is one, i haven't found it yet
15:43:23  <rait> Rubidium, motherboard is Asus M3N-hd/hdmi if that helps. a real beast with a total of 4 ways to output audio
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15:47:01  <rait> okay, just found a way to reproduce it. seems to be 100% and no problems with '-s null'
15:48:31  <rait> steps: 1. start 2. load a game 3. change the windows default audio output 4. save game 5. exit 6. freeze
15:49:13  <rait> just tested, you can skip steps 2 and 4
15:50:06  <rait> can anyone test this and verify?
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15:51:17  <planetmaker> just for curiosity: what is "window default audio output 4"? I usually have one... and that's the speakers
15:51:37  <glx> rait: like changing from speaker to digital ?
15:51:45  <rait> glx, yes
15:51:49  <glx> I can try
15:52:02  <rait> in my case from speakers to hdmi or back
15:52:37  <glx> I have only speaker and digital ;)
15:52:41  <rait> planetmaker, i have 4 audio outputs, 2 of them disabled. 4 is actually the fourth step in this case
15:54:12  <Luukland> thx for fixing the graphic errors peter1138 :)
15:54:51  <rait> glx, can you reproduce the freeze?
15:54:53  <peter1138> ?
15:54:58  <glx> compiling ;)
15:55:12  <glx> I try with trunk directly
15:55:18  <rait> ok
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16:00:14  <glx> confirmed
16:00:53  <glx> now I can try to fix it
16:01:41  <rait> if this ends up with a complaint to M$, i'll be happy to sign it :)
16:04:17  <peter1138> Luukland, what fix?
16:06:27  <SpComb^> woo, tracking some external .patch in a branch: git revert --no-commit && git apply ...
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16:07:51  <wysiwtf> mmh
16:08:28  <wysiwtf> im thinking about how hard it would be to add other "networks" to ottd
16:08:42  <wysiwtf> like a power and a data-network
16:08:55  <wysiwtf> or water
16:09:32  <wysiwtf> building it could be like building tracks, but there would be no vehicles but a throuhput of the track itself
16:10:13  <wysiwtf> would that be possible with existing grf toolkits or would the core-app need to be touched
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16:17:50  <luckz> SpComb^: what exactly does your (almost-)everything build contain? besides the two obvious biggies, IS & CD..
16:18:09  <SpComb^> luckz: mystery! :)
16:18:27  <SpComb^> luckz: nah... it's stuff from my openttd/patches/ dir, as in my thread in the dev forum
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16:19:23  <SpComb^> gathers: reading this diff-diff, I see you made some changes to the add-20ms-bit?
16:19:39  <luckz> the one with variable daylength, town growth, timetable-autofilling, towncargostuff, name length limit, minus the changes post jan11? or a different thread?
16:19:49  <SpComb^> that one
16:21:07  <gathers> SpComb^: from the previous patch? yes, I removed it from one place where it wasn't needed
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16:23:57  <SpComb^> might be imagining it but the wait times do seem a tad shorter
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16:26:38  <gathers> possible, or atleast they shoud get shorter faster
16:31:38  <SpComb^> is there a 1.0 branch for git?
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16:33:53  <Yexo> there is no 1.0 branch currently, so not for git either
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16:35:58  <SpComb^> seems like the tag-commits don't go into git?
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16:36:28  <SpComb^> just wondering if it's possible to build a release version off git
16:37:12  <Yexo> why not? see http://git.openttd.org/openttd/branches/0.7.git/ for example
16:37:46  <TrueBrain> release tags are not exported to git or mercurial
16:37:57  <SpComb^> well yes, r18871 isn't in git :(
16:38:58  <Yexo> r18871 isn't tagged with the svn version in mercurial either, maybe something went wrong with git too
16:39:47  <Yexo> oh, ignore that
16:39:52  <peter1138> most likely git/hg only track trunk?
16:40:02  <peter1138> branches being handled differently in svn
16:40:05  <TrueBrain> no, they also track branches
16:40:11  <TrueBrain> just not tags
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16:42:46  <TrueBrain> normal git/hg tags btw don't work: tags in subversion are not clean tags, there are changes while tagging .. a bit nasty way of tagging, but it works :)
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17:03:09  <rait> seems that openttd isn't the only thing i manage to crash
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17:11:43  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... so at least that part worked...
17:12:08  <Eddi|zuHause> two hours to move the hard drives, and get the old computer running again...
17:12:36  <Eddi|zuHause> question: how does one steer two computers with one mouse?
17:13:18  <Eddi|zuHause> and this hard disk is really loud... i should have chosen a different one...
17:13:55  <fjb> Steer to ebay and get e second mouse.
17:14:47  <fjb> What hard disk is it? Some anti vibration stuff may help.
17:15:04  <Eddi|zuHause> not worth it... some old WD with 120GB
17:15:57  <Eddi|zuHause> and the colours are totally off when i attach the TFT via VGA cable...
17:16:37  <fjb> Colors on TFT are always off.
17:16:41  <SpComb^> pfft
17:16:42  <SpComb^> someone broke your computer?
17:16:56  <Eddi|zuHause> no, i bought a new one
17:17:22  <Eddi|zuHause> so i connected the new one via DVI and the old one via VGA to the same monitor
17:21:09  <fjb> Sounds like the vga port of the monitor is crap.
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17:25:52  <Eddi|zuHause> might be the cable...
17:26:21  <Belugas> call the cable guy!
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17:37:39  <Eddi|zuHause> so, i have now two computers, one monitor, two keyboards and one-and-a-half mice... i'm getting hopelessly confused
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17:38:30  <Alberth> give one computer away
17:38:42  <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: you always have problems, don't you? :p
17:38:52  <fjb> Front or back half?
17:39:58  <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: you don't want or need two desktops
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17:41:03  <Goulp> eddi: what should i say with 4 computers, 1 with display,keyb,mouse and others without display keyb and mouse...
17:41:14  <Terkhen> I converted my old desktop in a server that I never use
17:41:24  <SpComb^> yes, that's how you're supposed to do it
17:41:31  <Goulp> hopfully they have network cable and remote connection
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17:42:59  <SpComb^> uh oh, my WS2008 VM somehow managed to corrupt itself
17:43:48  <fjb> Wer have 2010, no wonder WS2008 doesn't work anymore.
17:43:51  <thingwath> I wonder where my second computer is. It doesn't answer on network.
17:44:41  <SpComb^> which is somewhat annoying
17:44:58  <SpComb^> since the only snapshot of it that I have is from before I set up VS2008
17:45:28  <Eddi|zuHause> lack of backup strategy...
17:45:38  <Rubidium> WS = Wisual Studio? or Windows Server?
17:45:48  <SpComb^> WS = Windows Server, VS = Visual Studio
17:45:54  <fjb> And time to set up somethning more stable.
17:46:41  <SpComb^> didn't anticipate it corrupting its login GUI dlls
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17:52:20  <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like a virus gone haywire
17:54:04  <SpComb^> http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19303664.aspx
17:54:17  <SpComb^> disk error in my virtual machine? :o
17:56:48  <Alberth> that's a good emulation :p
17:56:56  <luckz> what do you use VS for?
17:57:08  * SpComb^ searches for the "random disk errors" check box in his VirtualBox setup
17:57:33  <Rubidium> SpComb^: all it requires is a somewhat flaky CPU or motherboard
17:57:38  <Rubidium> or memory or ...
17:57:54  <Alberth> of course there isn't one. Did you ever find such a switch at your HD?
17:59:04  <fjb> You find it inside. Just open the case.
17:59:28  <Belugas> don't try this at home, kids.  those guys are professionals
18:00:51  <fjb> We are good at giving good advises.
18:01:44  <Rubidium> actually, the last time I opened a HDD it became better than it was before
18:02:13  <TrueBrain> I tried it last week, but it never came back :p
18:02:43  <Rubidium> although that was like 15 years ago with an already 10 year old HDD (1 GB SCSI 2x5.25")
18:03:05  <Rubidium> that uhm... was in a remodelling (i.e. lots of dust) environment
18:03:29  <Rubidium> opening it and putting some oil on the bearings did help
18:03:55  <TrueBrain> I did learn not to spin up a 7200rpm HD when it is open .. it is SCARY!
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18:05:06  <Eddi|zuHause> did it cause death? :p
18:05:55  <TrueBrain> haha
18:06:02  <TrueBrain> Yeah, they have internet there too
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18:13:50  <DJ_Danni> hi
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18:29:03  <Ammler> someone else tried to install beta3 on windows? (download of [g|s]fx failed
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18:29:16  <Ammler> (with installer)
18:29:53  <luckz> don't think I ever tried the installer, no
18:30:06  <Wolf01> hello :O
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18:30:34  <Ammler> if you have windows, could you try, so we can confirm issues, maybe with the new mirroring system
18:30:56  <Forked> fails on xp (32bit)
18:31:03  <Forked> instant fail
18:31:25  <Ammler> now, who does bugreport :-)
18:31:45  <Forked> not me, sorry. Dinnertime
18:32:39  <peter1138> Ammler, you
18:32:49  <SpComb^> why is the DirectX SDK 2007 installer an .msi inside a self-extracting .exe inside a self-extracting .exe?
18:32:49  <peter1138> it would make a change ;p
18:33:06  <peter1138> because microsoft are strange
18:33:39  <Sacro> higher compression?
18:33:49  <SpComb^> worse
18:34:03  <SpComb^> they should just distribute the samples separately and they'd save 80% of the bandwidth
18:34:11  <Yexo> installer tries to download from http://binaries.openttd.org/installer/* but that directory doesn't exist
18:34:12  <Ammler> where shall I report it to? (Website, so Truebrain will see it..)
18:35:58  <Ammler> Yexo, will you report, you seem already have the solution?
18:36:05  <Yexo> no
18:36:09  <Yexo> I don't have the solution
18:36:13  <Rubidium> Yexo: try binaries.openttd.org/installer/opengfx-0.7.7z (or whatever install.nsi says)
18:36:36  <glx> 404
18:36:53  <Yexo> http://binaries.openttd.org/installer/opengfx-0.7.0.gz 404
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18:37:30  <frosch123> http://cz.binaries.openttd.org/openttd/binaries/installer/ <- from there i get all
18:37:46  <glx> http://binaries.openttd.org/installer/opengfx-0.7.0.7z works for me (IPv6 so nl)
18:38:06  <Rubidium> Yexo: .7z, not .gz
18:38:26  <Ammler> http://binaries.openttd.org/installer/opengfx-0.7.0.7z works
18:38:29  <Yexo> oh, that works indeed
18:38:40  <Ammler> from gb.
18:39:00  <Rubidium> so for some reason it can't follow the mirror's redirect
18:42:21  <peter1138> "GET /binaries/installer/opengfx-0.7.0.7z HTTP/1.1" 200 2842360 "-" "NSISDL/1.2 (Mozilla)"
18:42:28  <peter1138> NSISDL is the installer?
18:42:45  <Yexo> yes
18:42:58  <peter1138> it was working this morning then
18:43:13  <peter1138> though that might not've been beta3
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18:44:28  <Yexo> beta2 doesn't work either
18:45:04  <Rubidium> there's someone on the forum that claims it doesn't work either
18:45:26  <Rubidium> although... that it worked for peter1138 might also be some transparent proxy "doing the right thing"
18:45:45  <peter1138> that's just the log, i never tried it myself
18:45:54  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r18887 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files): (log message trimmed)
18:45:54  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:54  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 120 changes by Tvel
18:45:54  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: catalan - 4 changes by arnau
18:45:54  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 2 changes by jpx_
18:45:56  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by glx
18:45:56  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by planetmaker
18:45:59  <peter1138> does 0.7.5 have the downloader too?
18:46:04  <glx> no
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18:47:41  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18888 /trunk/src/table/ (sprites.h town_land.h): -Codechange: Rename PALETTE_59[EF] to something more meaningful.
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18:59:55  <SpComb^> curious how VS doesn't seem to offer any way to abort a running build
19:00:13  <Rubidium> it does, under the build thing (ctrl-break/end or something)
19:01:23  <SpComb^> although hmm, I'm really starting to think that VirtualBox is broken... "G:\...\objs\Win32\Release is not accessible. The file or directory is corrupted and unreadable."
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19:03:34  <devilsadvocate> hi, not sure if this is where i should be asking, but is the powerplant in the ECS newGRFs broken? the stantion nears it doesnt accept coal/oil...
19:04:48  <George> devilsadvocate: When? first 3 days of game - should not. Oil should not be accepted before 1950-th
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19:05:11  <devilsadvocate> 1st Jan 1914
19:05:24  <George> game started in?
19:05:28  <devilsadvocate> it seems to accept only passengers :\
19:05:32  <devilsadvocate> the same day
19:05:37  <devilsadvocate> oh, it takes 3 days
19:05:41  * devilsadvocate checks
19:05:49  <George> wait till 4-th of jan
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19:05:59  <devilsadvocate> yep
19:06:02  <devilsadvocate> my bad
19:06:04  <devilsadvocate> thanks :)
19:06:21  <George> the same for the most of the industries
19:06:25  <devilsadvocate> also, is the japanese trainset capable of handling the cargoes in the ECS vectors?
19:06:36  <devilsadvocate> or should i get URKS as well
19:06:38  <George> I do not know
19:06:55  <devilsadvocate> i cant seem to find anything that says it can, so i suppose that means it cant
19:11:07  <SpComb^> unix2dos for msys: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/cygutils.htm - Binaries + Depedencies
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19:25:34  <TrueBrain> glx / Ammler : probe
19:29:27  <Eddi|zuHause> is there a way to move a program from one display to another?
19:30:00  <TrueBrain> In linux? As in, from :1001 to :1002?
19:30:06  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
19:30:10  <TrueBrain> or do you want my catchy answer: with the mouse! :p
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19:30:23  <TrueBrain> there are a few apps which can try to move applications, but most applications do not support it and segfault when you do
19:30:36  <TrueBrain> applications have to implement some X11 command, which most do no
19:30:37  <TrueBrain> t
19:30:52  <Eddi|zuHause> hm, ok...
19:31:43  <Eddi|zuHause> brb
19:31:46  <TrueBrain> can't remember the tool who could do it :(
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19:34:45  <Eddi|zuHause> different approach, if i ssh -X into a computer, and open programs there, can i make it so the programs stay alive when i quit SSH, and reappear when i reconnect?
19:34:57  <TrueBrain> nope
19:35:05  <TrueBrain> most applications segfault if they can't communicate with the X11 anymore
19:35:16  <TrueBrain> you can try putting them to sleep (CTRL+Z)
19:35:19  <TrueBrain> some survive
19:35:21  <TrueBrain> most don't
19:35:31  <Eddi|zuHause> well, can't ssh keep alive the X server?
19:35:33  <TrueBrain> the only real solution I found was NoMachines NXServer
19:36:00  <TrueBrain> it fakes a whole X11 login, and forwards you the screen (in an efficient way)
19:36:09  <TrueBrain> an other solution would be VNCServer, but that is much more inefficient
19:36:24  <Eddi|zuHause> i should just throw mythtv on the box and put it somewhere i don't remember...
19:37:27  <Eddi|zuHause> ... i hate "bogus" progress bars that just go back and forth without displaying any actual progress...
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19:40:40  * Eoin is now officially certified by Microsoft!
19:40:53  <TrueBrain> my condolances
19:41:05  <Eoin> heh
19:41:13  <TrueBrain> owh, you are proud at it?
19:41:16  <TrueBrain> sorry, my mistake
19:41:19  <Eoin> lol
19:41:30  <TrueBrain> can't imagine why .. but everyone his/her fun
19:42:04  <Eoin> well
19:42:13  <Eoin> it means i can say i acheived something from college
19:43:34  <TrueBrain> I wish I wouldn't receive an email with a complaint, and the two people who are referred in it to know more, not being here :p
19:43:50  <TrueBrain> all this trouble of joining this channel .. all the typing
19:43:50  <TrueBrain> :p :p
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19:53:54  <Eddi|zuHause> what's the complaint?
19:54:10  <TrueBrain>   binaries balancer and windows installer
19:54:17  <TrueBrain> my guess is it doesn't understand HTTP Code 307
19:55:54  <Yexo> you miseed a few more complains when you in the time you left irc :p
19:56:27  <TrueBrain> I am sure I missed many more :) I only care about the ones people take the effort to let me know ;)
20:04:17  <SpComb^> xscreen
20:04:25  <SpComb^> some kind of persistent re-attachable XServer proxy
20:04:35  <SpComb^> should exist
20:04:44  <TrueBrain> any form of that fails more than it works
20:04:46  <SpComb^> (like, should exist in an ideal world)
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20:08:23  <glx> [20:25:46] <TrueBrain> glx / Ammler : probe <-- yes ?
20:09:27  <TrueBrain> glx: you know more about windows installer issues?
20:09:31  <TrueBrain> (downloading stuff)
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20:10:12  <glx> I just know it's an nsis plugin
20:10:39  <glx> and it used to work ;)
20:10:42  <TrueBrain> Rubidium told me it currently fails with the new balancer code, and that you might be able to help out testing?
20:11:32  <glx> yes I can test running the installer (but I'm fighting with a deadlock bug ;) )
20:11:46  <TrueBrain> no rush
20:11:52  <SpComb^> I'd test it but my mouse cursor is broken
20:12:02  <TrueBrain> those windows users just wait :) Mwhaha ;)
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20:14:18  <peter1138> Eoin is "certified"?
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20:14:35  <TrueBrain> peter1138: you got my requests yesterday? Mostly about changing the rdns of the ip?
20:14:45  <peter1138> nope
20:14:55  <TrueBrain> can you change the rdns from uk to gb.binaries.openttd.org
20:14:57  <Eoin> peter1138: IC3 lol
20:15:06  <peter1138> but but!
20:15:08  <peter1138> it's uk :(
20:15:10  <TrueBrain> we are phasing out 'uk.binaries.openttd' rather fast
20:15:19  <TrueBrain> GB is your landcode, sorry .. complain to ISO if you don't like it
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20:15:36  <TrueBrain> and I had another request, which I forgot ..... sad
20:15:45  <peter1138> hehe
20:16:27  <TrueBrain> <TrueBrain>	peter1138: I didn't know if you wanted a link to you or your company or what ever for the mirror, so it just names your name for now. If you like to have that changed, please let me know. (refering to: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?uid=3036&f=29&t=46889&start=0 / http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/mirror.txt / http://www.openttd.org/links
20:16:30  <TrueBrain> the grebs is nice
20:16:39  <peter1138> oh
20:16:41  <peter1138> no, not really
20:17:06  <TrueBrain> k :)
20:18:29  <Ammler> TrueBrain: I am no windows pro, can't help you more, just felt over it as I setup openttd on a windows..., back at KDE now, but if needed I can test again...
20:18:37  <andythenorth> hi hi
20:18:43  <TrueBrain> I need someone to test it a few times, so I can test different replies
20:21:59  <Ammler> Well, I can do that from vbox...
20:22:35  <Ammler> just ping :-)
20:22:46  <TrueBrain> well, go ahead :p
20:23:10  <peter1138> TrueBrain, done, btw
20:23:17  <TrueBrain> peter1138: tnx
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20:27:33  <SpComb^> http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/contrib/client-side/svn-clean <-- tsk, and it isn't even a .sh script
20:28:23  <peter1138> excessive!
20:28:30  <TrueBrain> Ammler: and?
20:28:56  <SpComb^> ridiculous how people seem to expect you have some dying language such as Perl 5 installed!
20:29:17  <Ammler> TrueBrain: still
20:29:31  <Ammler> "Downloading of OpenGFX failed"
20:29:46  <TrueBrain> and now?
20:30:00  <Ammler> Downloading OpenSFX failed
20:30:02  <TrueBrain> owh, now it even fails in FF :p
20:30:34  <TrueBrain> now?
20:31:01  <Ammler> works, genious :-)
20:31:17  <TrueBrain> problem is I need to send a 301, not a 307
20:31:23  <TrueBrain> (perm, instead of temp)
20:31:33  <peter1138> nasty
20:31:58  <Eddi|zuHause> why does the phrase "now?" ... "and now?" ... cause the reaction of "DONKEY!!"?
20:31:59  <TrueBrain> Ammler: can you run it again?
20:32:02  <Yexo> detect the useragent of the installer and send a 301 in that case and 307 in all other cases?
20:32:14  <TrueBrain> Yexo: exactly my plan :)
20:32:42  <Ammler> hmm
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20:33:00  <Ammler> now it was a bit other, it had a long timeout
20:33:06  <TrueBrain> yeah, was modifying
20:33:21  <TrueBrain> hit it again please
20:33:28  <Ammler> works
20:33:50  <TrueBrain> k, 301 for everything that starts with NSISDL in user-agent
20:33:54  <TrueBrain> 307 for all the other sane people in the world
20:34:14  <Eddi|zuHause> "other"?
20:34:22  <Eddi|zuHause> "sane"?
20:34:31  <TrueBrain> excluding Eddi|zuHause of course :)
20:34:32  <Ammler> maybe you can configure NSIS?
20:34:47  <TrueBrain> I think NSIS simply did not implement 307, but only 301
20:34:51  <TrueBrain> while they are of the same spec ..
20:35:02  <TrueBrain> bah, now the balance-tree has to retrain itself ... takes more than 24 hours :p
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20:36:44  <TrueBrain> k, fine-tuned the algorithm a bit .. but so far it seems to work as intended :)
20:37:01  <TrueBrain> tnx Ammler
20:37:20  <TrueBrain> glx: problem already fixed ;) Good luck with your deadlock :(
20:37:29  <Ammler> I'm here to serve :-P
20:37:52  <TrueBrain> if only that was true
20:38:15  <TrueBrain> :p
20:38:16  <Ammler> and of course to request this and that...
20:40:07  <Ammler> btw. why I am redirected to gb, isn't nl closer?
20:40:47  <TrueBrain> nl no longer exist; and 'master' is being offloaded as much as possible
20:40:48  <Ammler> or is that "balancing" :-)
20:40:54  <TrueBrain> we should have a new nl by the end of next week
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20:41:37  <Eddi|zuHause> i thought we have friday...
20:41:38  <TrueBrain> but even with it, you have a good chance ending up at a nearby mirror like GB or CZ
20:42:12  <Ammler> indeed, cz would also be nearer
20:42:29  <TrueBrain> CZ is much more loaded, so it offloads to GB :p
20:42:52  <TrueBrain> in the last 5 minutes, 27 requests were for CZ, 5 for GB (0 for NL/Master)
20:42:54  <Ammler> well done
20:43:24  <TrueBrain> I hope some mirror comes for Asia soon, so that traffic stays there too as much as possible
20:43:46  <TrueBrain> Australia would be nice too ..
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20:45:43  <TrueBrain> http://paste.openttd.org/221001 <- last snapshot before reset. Meaning: country:load:requests:totalbandwidth
20:45:46  <Eddi|zuHause> could check the japanese forum if someone there can host a mirror?
20:45:59  <TrueBrain> feel free
20:46:29  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't speak japanese ;)
20:46:42  <TrueBrain> neither do I
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20:47:14  <Eddi|zuHause> there might be a person in here that visited japan for a while :p
20:47:31  <TrueBrain> I think that person has enough other things to do
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20:55:12  <SpComb^> svn revert -R "$wc" && for file in $(svn status "$wc" | grep -e '^?' | cut -b 9-); do rm -r "$file"; done
20:55:21  <SpComb^> perfectly safe, guaranteed not to delete anything important :)
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21:01:41  <lennard> hi!
21:01:45  <lennard> TrueBrain around?
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21:01:59  <TrueBrain> more a rectangle
21:02:09  <Belugas> lol
21:02:15  <Belugas> good one :D
21:02:18  <lennard> *a*round, not round :P
21:02:29  <TrueBrain> I am not known for my reading
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21:02:38  <Xaroth> TrueBrain: get ready to get to yer SS then :P
21:02:46  * lennard would like to have a not-so-slow chat about the whole mirror stuff in private if at all possible ;)
21:03:05  <lennard> mail can get so cumbersome ;)
21:03:11  <TrueBrain> feel free
21:03:40  <TrueBrain> and hello Belugas  :)
21:04:16  <Belugas> hello my friend :) as i can see, you have not ost your humour over time ;)
21:05:38  <TrueBrain> never will ;)
21:06:43  <Belugas> hehe
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21:21:40  <TrueBrain> all gives a good hand to lennard for trying to get us a NL mirror :)
21:21:57  * lennard bows
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21:23:20  <TrueBrain> boring crowd here tonight ..
21:23:25  <lennard> also, your topic is weird
21:23:39  <lennard> but I'm sure y'all knew that
21:23:42  <TrueBrain> why?
21:24:12  <lennard> its formatting suggest a list of key->value pairs, but I don't see sense in it
21:24:13  <Eoin> Hmm
21:24:21  <Xaroth> because there's that many subdomains :P
21:24:21  <lennard> unless the al are values for *
21:24:24  <lennard> that might make sense
21:24:26  <lennard> all*
21:24:27  <Xaroth> ye
21:24:28  <TrueBrain> ;)
21:24:32  <Eoin> IPv6, this company want to hurry up and set me up a tunnel :D
21:24:58  <lennard> don't try to hurry sixxs, they'll smell it and make you wait :P
21:25:07  <TrueBrain> and some cocky people work there :s
21:25:11  <lennard> yup
21:25:13  <TrueBrain> tried to get an OpenTTD account and a personal account
21:25:19  <TrueBrain> after 7 mails, he still didn't understand
21:25:22  <lennard> very knowledgeable, too, but cocky
21:25:23  <TrueBrain> (or didn't want to)
21:25:46  <TrueBrain> I am happy to say OpenTTD now runs native IPv6, so I don't have to deal with that anymore :)
21:25:54  <lennard> are you sure you really want to do openttd-stuff over... right, that
21:26:04  <lennard> I wouldnt risk non-native for 'production'
21:26:18  <lennard> well, that is to say, I wouldn't advise it, I still do it myself
21:26:22  <TrueBrain> LeaseWeb was so nice to connect us as one of the first :)
21:26:37  <lennard> they can be nice if they want to :)
21:26:43  <TrueBrain> They are mostly nice to us :)
21:28:04  <Eoin> <DJ_Danni> Hey when i try to run Tycoon i get error in DPLAY.DLL
21:28:04  <fjb> Maybe they use OpenTTD to simulate their network.
21:28:12  <Eoin> DJ_Danni ask in the openttd channel :)
21:28:26  <Xaroth> I think LeaseWeb has bigger fish than ottd :P
21:28:38  <TrueBrain> I sure they do; still, they treat us nice :)
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21:28:56  <lennard> yeah.. you do know its just because they love to play ttd, right? :)
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21:29:15  <TrueBrain> pretty sure they do :)
21:29:19  <peter1138> who doesn't?
21:29:29  <Xaroth> people with no sense of awesome
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21:52:34  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18889 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Use (GroundSprite|SpriteLayout)PaletteTransform() also for drawing of default industries. They are compatible since the bubblegenerator is also randomly recoloured.
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21:59:08  <Terkhen> good night
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22:15:06  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:15:30  <Xaroth> Rubidium: you almost had him killed :P
22:16:13  <Belugas> bye bye!
22:17:02  <Xaroth> o/ Belugas
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22:20:50  <peter1138> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Indian_Pacific_Perth,_Western_Australia.jpg
22:21:09  <Eddi|zuHause> why did nobody ever complain that the bubble generator was changed from original TTD behaviour? :p
22:21:21  <peter1138> that would require railtypes with no engine
22:21:39  <peter1138> s/complain/notice/ ?
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22:32:51  <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r18890 /trunk/src/unmovable_cmd.cpp: -Codechange: Unify drawing of foundations for MP_UNMOVABLE.
22:33:35  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: because sirkoz only plays temperate
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22:53:57  <SpComb^> hmm... findversion.sh's CLEAN_VER still includes the 'M' flag?
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22:56:09  <SpComb^> what zip binary does the Makefile.bundle.in use?
22:56:33  <Rubidium> zip?
22:56:54  <SpComb^> http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/zip.htm <-- this?
22:57:11  <Eddi|zuHause> whichever is in the path, i presume...
22:57:17  <Rubidium> @kb HeavenRaiser
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23:05:17  <Muxy> @seen petert
23:05:17  <DorpsGek> Muxy: petert was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 22 hours, 7 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <PeterT> No what?
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23:25:58  <SpComb^> it would be convenient if findversion.sh also printed out the plain rev/branch without the 'M' as a fifth param
23:27:06  <SpComb^> also very annoying... findversion.sh takes the "Last changed Rev:" off the src\ dir, so if there's a rev that doesn't touch src/, it ignores it...
23:27:18  <SpComb^> but I guess that's intentional?
23:27:35  <Rubidium> yes, that's intentional
23:27:44  <Rubidium> because the network protocol doesn't change between them
23:28:18  <SpComb^> myes
23:29:30  <Rubidium> but a modified branch, what are you using that for?
23:29:50  <SpComb^> not using a branch
23:30:13  <SpComb^> I just mean it'd be useful to get a "this build was based off rXXXXX" rev for my use-case
23:30:42  <SpComb^> http://yzzrt.qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/scripts/build.sh
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23:31:24  <Rubidium> use the 2nd one
23:31:31  <Rubidium> that way it works for mercurial stuff too
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23:33:52  <SpComb^> true, didn't quite see that one
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23:53:04  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... but somehow computer A can output its sound on computer B via network, right?
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23:55:55  <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: pulseaudio
23:56:15  <SpComb^> Eddi|zuHause: ah, I get it, you're trying to use your old computer as a headless server :)
23:56:25  <Eddi|zuHause> yes ;)
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23:56:56  <Eddi|zuHause> i should probably just forget it, but the problem is the DVB-S card doesn't fit in the new one
23:57:04  <SpComb^> what I do is run mocp/spotify over ssh on my headless server (hooked up to speakers)
23:57:16  <Eddi|zuHause> (they advertised a PCI slot, but it's blocked by the GPU fan)
23:58:20  <Eddi|zuHause> and the fan seems very loud...
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