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00:02:53 <PeterT> will this french language problem be solved in tommorow's commit? 00:02:59 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-122-132.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:08 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-122-132.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 00:03:10 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:03:35 <Yexo> yes 00:07:48 <PeterT> Anyone have experience with x64 compiling? 00:07:56 <PeterT> I got a few errors (ignore the french.txt one) 00:08:16 <PeterT> http://paste.openttd.org/221421 00:11:08 <Yexo> you have not properly installed directmusic for use with a x64 compiler 00:11:25 <PeterT> Oh, is there a guide for that somewhere? 00:11:32 <Yexo> no idea 00:11:34 <PeterT> btw, that's exactly what happened 00:11:55 <Rubidium> just ask in #openttd.compile 00:12:09 <ccfreak2k> Yexo, quick, what number am I thinking of? 00:12:19 <SmatZ> 14 00:12:23 <Yexo> 42 00:12:32 <HackaLittleBit> 21 00:12:33 <Rubidium> 0/0 00:12:51 <ccfreak2k> I guess there's a bit of an identity crisis. 00:14:25 <SmatZ> ccfreak2k: so what number were you thinking of? 00:15:00 <Rubidium> identity crisis? How can that happen? I don't even have an identity... 00:15:07 <glx> <PeterT> Oh, is there a guide for that somewhere? <-- just do like you did for win32 00:15:07 <SmatZ> :) 00:15:35 *** rait [~rait@82.131.24.220.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15:37 <ccfreak2k> SmatZ, it was 3. 00:15:50 <Shapeshifter> Have any of you played openttd on the Nokia n900? It runs really well. Good stuff. But the lack of a "hovering" mouse poses a tricky problem at times ;) 00:15:55 <PeterT> glx: oh, i have directx installed already, so this will be easy 00:15:58 <PeterT> thank you :-) 00:16:05 <glx> just set paths ;) 00:16:17 <Rubidium> yay... I was right :) (3 = 0/0 => 3 * 0 = 0 => 0 = 0) 00:16:38 <PeterT> yeah, my express/professional doesn't always find the needed libraries with paths 00:16:56 <PeterT> I'd rather copy the dxgui.lib to my OpenTTD useful location 00:17:38 <glx> if it fails to find libs then you failed to set paths 00:18:01 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:18:10 <SmatZ> ccfreak2k: and the point is? 00:19:08 <ccfreak2k> I wanted to see if Yexo was psychic. 00:19:18 <ccfreak2k> Turns out he was just a lucky guesser. 00:19:23 <Rubidium> · <- there 00:19:48 <Yexo> of course I'm not psychic :p 00:19:52 <Yexo> and what makes me a lucky guesser? 00:20:12 <Yexo> PeterT's error was easily deduced from the log he posted, that was no guess at all 00:21:48 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:21:56 <SmatZ> Yexo: (4+2)/2 = 3 00:22:08 <Yexo> hehe :) 00:22:28 <Yexo> and your answer was -1+4=3 00:22:29 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 00:22:34 <SmatZ> hehe 00:23:07 <Rubidium> so everyone was right! :) 00:23:28 <PeterT> glx: Thank you, works perfectly so far 00:23:42 <SmatZ> :) 00:24:20 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB81B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 00:25:45 <Rubidium> 3.1415926539879323846 <- what am/was I thinking of? 00:26:27 <PeterT> You're missing a 5 00:26:45 <PeterT> 3.1415926535... 00:27:14 <PeterT> scratch that, replace the nine with a five 00:30:00 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:30:32 *** HackaBit [~Hans@87-196-221-66.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 00:31:06 *** HackaBit [~Hans@87-196-221-66.net.novis.pt] has quit [] 00:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> 3.14159265358979... 00:31:34 *** HackaBit [~Hans@87-196-221-66.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 00:31:54 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:32:51 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: nah, that's not what I was thinking of 00:33:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:10 <SmatZ> hello Eddi 00:33:25 <SmatZ> or is he really gone? 00:33:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:38 <SmatZ> I knew he will be back soon ;) 00:33:44 <PeterT> he is always back soon 00:33:51 <SmatZ> hehe 00:34:20 <Eddi|zuHause> unless i'm not one time... 00:35:19 <Rubidium> http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://wwwutnws.utwente.nl/new/printversie.php%3Fid%3D58111&ei=yqF0S8qSC8iF-AaN5ZicBg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CAwQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3D3,1415926539879323846%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff <- that's what I was thinking of :) 00:35:43 <SmatZ> now that's a short link 00:35:48 *** HackaLulleby [~Hans@87-196-221-66.net.novis.pt] has joined #openttd 00:36:02 <Rubidium> nah, it's fed through google translate, cause it's Dutch 00:36:16 <Rubidium> and it's nice to see what a mess google translate makes of it :) 00:36:42 <SmatZ> "A very attentive student knew UT-news" was it you? :) 00:37:06 <Rubidium> nope 00:37:19 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hans@87.196.221.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:37:21 <SmatZ> oh :( 00:37:58 <Rubidium> it's from way before I started to study there :) 00:38:01 * SmatZ remembers just 3.1415926536 00:38:04 <SmatZ> hehe :) 00:40:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BFD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:40:39 <SpComb^> 589? 00:42:34 *** HackaBit [~Hans@87-196-221-66.net.novis.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:43:19 <PeterT> SpComb^: Remember those batchfiles for building with MSVC? Do you have a copy that I can download to test? 00:45:50 <SpComb^> the ones I have online are slightly outdated (i.e. a little broken) 00:45:58 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: yexo * r19100 /trunk/projects/ (generate generate.vbs langs_vs80.vcproj langs_vs90.vcproj): -Fix: [MSVC] don't stop building language files if building one language file fails 00:46:12 <PeterT> Thanks ^ 00:47:24 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hans@87.196.221.66] has joined #openttd 00:47:36 <SpComb^> http://qmsk.net/~terom/openttd/scripts/ <-- those should work, I think 00:50:39 <PeterT> where should build.sh be placed? 00:50:57 <SpComb^> somewhere 00:51:08 <SpComb^> it'll put the build/ dir next to it 00:51:20 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:52:48 *** routinedecilit [~routinede@spock.makeitsoyoubonehead.biz] has joined #openttd 00:53:00 <PeterT> what is build tag? 00:53:06 <PeterT> and "[ ENV=VALUE [...]]"? 00:53:20 <PeterT> I entered this: PeterP@PETER ~ 00:53:20 <PeterT> $ ./build.sh -P win32 -c Release r19100 00:54:19 *** HackaLulleby [~Hans@87-196-221-66.net.novis.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:54:24 <SpComb^> those are the defaults for -P/-c 00:54:31 <SpComb^> build tag is the name of your build 00:54:57 <SpComb^> openttd-${build_tag}-${ottd_version}-${ottd_platform} 00:55:15 <SpComb^> and svn wc is the path to an svn working copy 00:55:26 <PeterT> So what should I add to the command above? 00:55:49 <SpComb^> ./build.sh path-to-checkout-of-trunk myfunbuild 00:57:11 <PeterT> SpComb^: http://paste.openttd.org/221423 00:57:51 *** HackaLittleBit [~Hans@87.196.221.66] has quit [Quit: Saindo] 00:58:15 *** Diareal [~Diareal@201.171.11.127.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] has joined #openttd 00:58:36 <SpComb^> a) create a build/ dir - forgot that big b) also download build-msvc90.bat and svn-clean.sh 00:59:25 <PeterT> why not just add a "mkdir" and "wget"? 01:00:16 <SpComb^> mkdir is missing, yes - wget no, that'd be silly 01:01:21 *** Diareal [~Diareal@201.171.11.127.dsl.dyn.telnor.net] has quit [autokilled: possible spambot. Mail support@oftc.net with questions. (2010-02-12 01:01:21)] 01:01:23 <PeterT> wow, this is great 01:01:36 <PeterT> how are you building MSVC from outside of MSVC? 01:02:04 <SpComb^> it has a command-line interface that's just about barely useable 01:02:20 <SpComb^> just don't try and interrupt/abort the script with ^C while it's building, or nasty things will happen 01:02:56 <PeterT> sounds kinky 01:03:17 <PeterT> where is this command line? 01:03:28 <SpComb^> look at build-msvc90.bat 01:03:33 <PeterT> you mean commands from cmd.exe 01:03:55 <PeterT> oh, the "call" 01:04:26 <SmatZ> someone please kill PeterT 01:04:39 *** PeterT was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [killed] 01:04:40 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host81-129-83-105.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 01:04:43 <SmatZ> yay it works 01:04:49 <SpComb^> SmatZ: OFTC implements this autokill feature 01:04:49 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:04:57 <PeterT> ?? 01:05:31 <SpComb^> if you can get someone to say the right stuff, or join the right channel, OFTC can autokill them 01:05:31 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Don't follow me] 01:05:52 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.92.171] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿] 01:06:06 <sparr> Eddi|zuHause: how about infrastructure costs, such as making road removal profitable? 01:06:11 <PeterT> SpComb^: http://paste.openttd.org/221424 01:06:30 <SpComb^> PeterT: as I said, create a build/ dir 01:06:33 <Yexo> someone please kill PeterT 01:06:35 <SpComb^> er, builds 01:06:39 <Yexo> SmatZ: ah, local only? :p 01:06:43 <PeterT> /builds? 01:06:46 <PeterT> oh, ok 01:06:55 <SpComb^> yes, builds, in plural :( 01:07:04 *** PeterT was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [killed] 01:07:04 *** PeterT [~PeterT@c-65-96-203-35.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:07:10 <SmatZ> Yexo: it has some delay :-/ 01:07:11 <PeterT> what the hell? 01:07:13 <Yexo> <sparr> Eddi|zuHause: how about infrastructure costs, such as making road removal profitable? <- you can do that with a newgrf 01:09:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:09:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:10:32 <SmatZ> I was surprised how PeterT teached TrueBrain about @ports today :) 01:10:45 <SmatZ> it's like, pupil learning his teacher... 01:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like the worst fitting phrase to the situation, but "every good teacher gets his pupil to the point where he surpasses him" 01:16:53 <SmatZ> :-) 01:18:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:19 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-122-132.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 01:18:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77CDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:27:44 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77CDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:27:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] 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Rubidium, watch out, you will never be normal after living under glx's life style/time zone ;) 03:01:02 <Belugas> night out 03:07:49 *** Fuco [dota.keys@comp68-70.vpn.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:40 <ccfreak2k> I fixed the multithreading issue. 03:08:58 <ccfreak2k> I made a small typo in that EndCritical() didn't actually unlock the mutex. :x 03:09:19 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 03:11:46 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 03:14:29 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:14:30 *** [com]buster is now known as [alt]buster 03:21:10 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:21:37 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:21:39 *** Rygir [~masked@d5153986F.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:21:49 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 03:36:23 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:958b:e739:9e52:91d1] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:36:42 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:37:33 *** KenjiE20|LT [~KenjiE20@host81-129-83-105.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:43:02 *** mib_b1vq3b [5893484c@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 03:45:16 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@166.151.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 03:47:32 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 03:56:34 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 04:05:08 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-153-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:05:19 *** gr00vy [cRave@dslb-188-097-154-154.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 04:24:58 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-143-192.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:27:09 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-71-236.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 04:27:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:31:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 04:31:08 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:31:12 *** [com]buster is now known as [alt]buster 04:33:35 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-17-131.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:52:35 *** cornjuliox_1 [~takdj@cable-202-8-238-234.d-one.net] has joined #openttd 04:52:55 *** cornjuliox [~takdj@122.53.125.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:54:45 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 05:02:59 *** cornjuliox_1 is now known as Cornjuliox 05:03:03 *** Cornjuliox is now known as cornjuliox 05:09:59 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 05:20:52 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 05:21:54 *** sparr [~kvirc@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:25:47 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 05:39:44 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:46:39 *** bryjen [~bryjen@cpe-75-81-201-131.we.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 06:32:48 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:41:38 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 06:41:46 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:00:25 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 07:04:53 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 07:12:08 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:18:03 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:22:27 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [] 07:26:13 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:26:30 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 07:28:05 *** APTX| [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 07:30:34 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:40:13 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa109.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:44:21 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 08:05:56 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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Uniform, gaussian, ... 10:11:59 <TrueBrain> (even more if you just assume it comes from a random generator) 10:12:25 <TrueBrain> as if not, it indeed is always random 10:12:37 <TrueBrain> but even this sentence in that case is completely random ;) 10:12:45 <planetmaker> point 10:13:04 <TrueBrain> (at least, from your point of view ;)) 10:13:14 <planetmaker> taken 10:13:18 <TrueBrain> :p 10:13:34 <planetmaker> :-) 10:14:14 <planetmaker> basically it's a question for predictability and not random-ness, though ;-) 10:14:30 <TrueBrain> hence, entropy ;) 10:14:34 <planetmaker> yeah 10:16:05 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:20:53 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 10:22:04 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:04 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:28:18 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@252.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 10:28:36 <Terkhen> good morning 10:33:30 *** roley [~df@S0106001c1092c1e9.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [] 10:40:43 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r19101 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix (r19039): Click sound was not played when pressing zoom in/out buttons. 10:47:57 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest1795 10:47:59 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:48:54 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.136] has joined #openttd 10:53:13 *** Guest1795 [~Chris_Boo@cpc8-newt30-2-0-cust508.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:00:06 <roboboy> do programs like Autopilot actually take full control over the console OpenTTD is running in? 11:01:41 <valhallasw> yes 11:01:52 <valhallasw> although it supports a pass-through console 11:01:56 <roboboy> ok 11:02:35 <peter1138> stdio doesn't work like that 11:02:50 <peter1138> the 'flow' is terminal <--> autopilot <--> openttd 11:03:40 <peter1138> and they're actually just file descriptors 11:14:18 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@wlan072137.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 11:15:58 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan-199071.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:50 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa109.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:19:25 *** ptr [~peter@p200-n251.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 11:21:18 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@79.88.151.166] has joined #openttd 11:27:57 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d2ac.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:30:47 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:37:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:44:46 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@92.10.92.171] has joined #openttd 11:54:53 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 11:56:22 *** elmz [~elmz@dhcp-010133.wlan.ntnu.no] has joined #openttd 12:01:52 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:03:12 *** Rygir [~masked@d5153986F.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:03:45 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa109.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11:15 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: yexo * r19102 /trunk/Doxyfile: -Codechange; let doxygen parse as much code as possible 12:14:46 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r19103 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use px/py for pixel coordinates in PixelToTile(), as promised by the documentation. 12:20:07 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:20:07 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:10 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 12:21:02 *** JayDubeu [~zombiepug@124.189.247.49] has joined #openttd 12:21:12 <JayDubeu> Holy sh-- 12:21:21 <JayDubeu> Did not expect this many people in the channel. 12:23:27 *** ptr [~peter@p200-n251.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:11 <Alberth> shall we all leave? 12:24:36 <JayDubeu> If you like. 12:24:44 <Alberth> nah :) 12:24:45 <JayDubeu> It would give me some privacy to take a shower. 12:24:50 <JayDubeu> Ohfine. 12:25:00 <JayDubeu> You can just all watch. 12:25:13 <Alberth> most do, it seems 12:25:17 <__ln__> Don't take the shower anywhere, I'll need it tomorrow. 12:25:29 <JayDubeu> Ahaha. Bad pun. :| 12:26:45 <Alberth> hmm, openttdcoop does seem to play other sizes than 2Kx2K too. 12:26:56 <Yexo> in fact, they never play 2kx2k 12:27:41 <KenjiE20> don't normally go above 1kx1k 12:28:11 <KenjiE20> most connections/PCs can't handle the load at that point 12:28:45 *** lolman_ [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 12:28:48 * JayDubeu will be setting up a dedicated server tomorrow. 12:28:57 <JayDubeu> I wanted to add TTD onto the server. 12:29:07 <JayDubeu> Already hosting Freelancer and Civ4. 12:29:26 <Noldo> There are currently more servers than players, right? 12:29:35 <Alberth> usually, yes 12:29:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:29:48 <JayDubeu> Private Server though. :V 12:32:09 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:16 <planetmaker> <Alberth> hmm, openttdcoop does seem to play other sizes than 2Kx2K too. <-- 1Megatiles is the limit. Clients cannot handle more usually 12:32:25 <planetmaker> And we don't want to deter half our player base 12:32:33 <planetmaker> And it's not like the smaller maps are no fun 12:33:20 <planetmaker> And KenjiE20 told so already :-P 12:34:54 <Alberth> I agree. I was just thinking that openttdcoop has the man power to fill such a map. 12:35:07 <planetmaker> We certainly would. But no one could play them 12:35:13 <planetmaker> Painful experience tells so 12:35:20 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:36:06 <roboboy> yep 12:36:19 <planetmaker> also it's hard to admin a server, if you cannot join it yourself anymore ;-) 12:36:36 <roboboy> ive been on coop maps that are nearly foold and kept geting desynched 12:36:50 <KenjiE20> "foold"? 12:37:21 <roboboy> filled 12:37:21 <cornjuliox> have the devs ever considered extending the single player gameplay? 12:37:38 <roboboy> what do you mean? 12:38:07 <KenjiE20> sandbox isn't extended enough? 12:38:15 <cornjuliox> i mean adding like an in-game tutorial for newbies, and a "campaign" 12:38:33 <cornjuliox> a real singleplayer campaign 12:38:55 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9D41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:38:59 <KenjiE20> there used to be tutorials in TTDLX, so that'd be cool 12:39:39 <roboboy> their implementation was borked 12:40:04 <roboboy> just changing the news settngs would brake them 12:40:05 <cornjuliox> KenjiE20, you're talking about the recorded ones, right? 12:40:19 <cornjuliox> i remember those 12:40:36 <Alberth> you can design a campaign without further openttd support. Just write a sequence of assignments on a wiki page 12:40:51 <cornjuliox> one of them was supposed to show you how the train signals worked but it looked like whoever was recording them gave up halfway through 12:41:17 <cornjuliox> Alberth, i mean one in-game, a "forced" campaign 12:41:31 <cornjuliox> like the kind you see in Rollercoaster Tycoon 12:42:00 <Alberth> what would be different? 12:42:06 <planetmaker> Not until there are scriptable scenarios. Which is an illusion ;-) 12:42:20 <planetmaker> at least now. As no one works on it. 12:42:52 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@wlan072137.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:01 <planetmaker> (except if Alberth has super-secret projects going on :-P ) 12:43:10 <Alberth> always :p 12:43:19 <KenjiE20> so secret even he doesn't know about it 12:43:24 <planetmaker> ha, I knew it! 12:43:42 <Ammler> "I have a patch for it..." 12:43:47 <Alberth> planetmaker: ask KenjiE20. he seems to know what I am doing 12:43:55 <planetmaker> that's another person ;-), Ammler :-) 12:43:58 <KenjiE20> :P 12:44:28 <Alberth> I do want to try hooking a AI into the GUI system one day.... 12:44:48 <planetmaker> what do you mean by hooking an AI into the GUI? 12:44:53 <Alberth> Probably I can never release that code. 12:45:06 <Alberth> AI controlling the mouse pointer, and clicking 12:45:12 <planetmaker> ah 12:45:30 <Alberth> you'd need that for a tutorial 12:45:42 <planetmaker> Not necessarily 12:45:51 <planetmaker> Depends upon how you want the tutorial to work 12:45:59 <roboboy> I'm geusing it would actually show what GUI buttons were clicked by the AI so as to kinda replicate the old TTD macro tutorials but in a more flexible way 12:46:24 <Alberth> roboboy: yeah, that's what you'd want to show, right? 12:46:30 <planetmaker> You could just display a sequence of instructions (with images) and continue, if the right action was taken 12:46:32 <roboboy> yeah 12:47:00 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 12:47:12 <roboboy> \but we want to minimise the space they take up and thus the amount of data being downloaded to play the game 12:47:17 <Ammler> planetmaker: but that, you can do with the wiki aswell 12:47:38 <planetmaker> Ammler, no, you don't have control over the flow then 12:47:40 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 12:47:49 <roboboy> or I'm asumiong thats what CS wanted and Alberth wants (escept CS had to fi it on Floppy/CD) 12:48:00 <Ammler> like that: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Tutorial_Savegame 12:48:11 <planetmaker> he, long time I looked at it :-) 12:48:23 <planetmaker> Maybe it should be updated somewhen 12:48:43 <planetmaker> ...long time since... 12:49:07 <Ammler> no pbs, else it is still very good 12:49:19 <Alberth> wrong graphics :p 12:49:25 <planetmaker> :-P 12:49:35 <planetmaker> well. A savegame cannot have wrong graphics ;-) 12:49:57 <Ammler> he 12:50:11 <Ammler> the gui might differ now 12:50:33 <roboboy> the old TTD Tutorials are even reliant on the old Map Generator. TTDO's new map generator amongst other TTDP settings brake them 12:50:49 <Alberth> yeah, like planetmaker discovered two new buttons on the smallmap recently :p 12:50:50 <peter1138> break 12:51:00 <roboboy> bah 12:57:08 <planetmaker> hehe :-) @ Alberth 12:58:50 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:849:e2d2:6fb7:4788] has joined #openttd 12:58:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:02:10 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06:48 *** ptr [~peter@p200-n251.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 13:09:52 *** ptr [~peter@p200-n251.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:57 *** ptr [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has joined #openttd 13:10:48 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@153.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 13:12:32 *** Rygir [~masked@d5153986F.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:49 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@252.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:29 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 13:35:14 *** |Terkhen| [~Terkhen@153.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:04 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: alberth * r19104 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix (r19039): Stablize main view centering in smallmap. 13:47:39 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:849:e2d2:6fb7:4788] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47:50 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:849:e2d2:6fb7:4788] has joined #openttd 13:47:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:53:21 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@54.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 13:54:29 *** bart_ [~quassel@83.101.78.25] has joined #openttd 13:55:51 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:03:24 *** Frankr is now known as Guest1805 14:03:26 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:03:38 *** fonsinchen [~alve@brln-4dbaa109.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:04:34 *** Frankr is now known as Guest1806 14:04:35 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:05:28 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 14:06:23 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has left #openttd [] 14:07:25 *** Frankr is now known as Guest1807 14:07:29 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 14:09:05 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [] 14:10:54 *** Guest1805 [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:54 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 14:11:54 *** Guest1806 [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:14:49 *** Guest1807 [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:16:31 <[Jako]> is there any way to stop industry from disappearin? 14:16:51 <[Jako]> i think there is some differences betveen scenarios 14:19:33 <Belugas> hello 14:20:12 <Alberth> [Jako]: no 14:20:22 <Alberth> Belugas: hai 14:20:43 <Noldo> shark? where? 14:21:04 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 14:21:36 * Alberth gives Noldo an english dictionary 14:21:51 <Belugas> [Jako] : play smaller maps. You will think there are less industries disappearing since there are less industries 14:22:12 <Noldo> Alberth: :P 14:22:17 <Alberth> also, when you service industry, they disappear less fast :) 14:22:38 <Alberth> Noldo: you needed something to throw, didn't you? 14:22:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> Noldo: unfortunately that joke doesn't work in english... 14:22:53 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 14:24:04 <Noldo> now don't tell me we managed to mangle 3 languages in to one "joke" 14:24:27 <Alberth> ok, I won't tell 14:24:49 <Noldo> but it's true! isn't it? 14:25:03 <TrueBrain> I only count 2 :( 14:25:14 * Alberth also counts two 14:25:39 <Noldo> hai is finnish for shark 14:26:34 <ptr> hehe 14:26:38 <ptr> haj is swedish for shark 14:26:46 <ptr> funny. 14:26:47 <Noldo> figures 14:26:49 <TrueBrain> Noldo: where does the 3rd language come from? 14:28:26 <Noldo> well, there is the hypothetical language where the so-called-joke works that isn't english 14:28:48 <TrueBrain> always a good excuse :) 14:30:45 <Noldo> and I know it isn't finnish either 14:32:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Hai is also german for shark 14:33:09 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.128] has joined #openttd 14:33:18 <__ln__> haj is also danish for shark, afaik. 14:35:03 <Eddi|zuHause> postulate 1: in all sane languages, "Hai" [modulo spelling] means "shark" 14:35:28 <rane> whoa, it is? 14:35:46 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, is 'shark' just another spelling of "Hai"? 14:36:04 <Noldo> aaa 14:36:17 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i'd love to see that sequence of vowel shifts ;) 14:36:29 <Belugas> to me, "Hai" is more related to the sound a human been would produce when seeing a shark swimming nearby 14:36:32 <rane> haifisch 14:37:29 <planetmaker> Belugas, that'd be more "haaiiiiiii!" - especially for swimmers ;-) 14:38:10 *** Hackykid [~quassel@wlan072137.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 14:38:53 <Belugas> indeed 14:38:56 <Belugas> thus the idea... 14:39:03 <Belugas> a scream for fear! 14:41:19 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42:35 <planetmaker> hm. "Hai" is a word which was derived from the 17th century Dutch word "haai". That Dutch word in its turn (like the Scotish 'hoe') was derived from the synonymous Icelandic 'hai' 14:42:47 *** bart_ is now known as Bartje 14:43:18 <planetmaker> Originally 'hai' it described a hook, so that the fish was named after its hook-shaped fin 14:43:31 *** Bartje is now known as jaja 14:43:36 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.128] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:44 *** jaja is now known as Bartjeje 14:43:46 <planetmaker> DUDEN Bd. 7 - Etymologie, 1997, 2. Aufl., S. 264 14:43:48 *** Bartjeje is now known as Bartje 14:44:10 <Noldo> etymology is always a bit odd 14:44:29 <Noldo> why would it be hoe in the middle? 14:45:20 <Eddi|zuHause> just because it's geographically the middle, doesn't mean it's etymologically the middle 14:46:19 <planetmaker> it also depends upon how things are pronounced in the respective language. 14:46:26 <planetmaker> Might even be the same, just different writing 14:47:13 <planetmaker> also it doesn't say it's derived from Scotish, but from Icelandish. Scotish 'hoe' is just also derived from the Icelandic 14:47:23 <Noldo> ok 14:48:10 <ptr> super-high quality 14:48:12 <ptr> super-hai 14:48:13 <ptr> ha-ha 14:48:55 <Eddi|zuHause> now you're just getting silly 14:50:32 <__ln__> hai > silli 14:50:47 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 14:51:43 <Noldo> __ln__: oh no 14:53:30 <ptr> lol, herring? 14:56:05 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC] 14:58:02 <Noldo> ptr: yes 15:00:06 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:44 <planetmaker> the question remains: what the heck is a brathering? 15:00:55 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 15:04:31 <Belugas> i know bracketing, but not brathering 15:05:03 *** elmz [~elmz@dhcp-010133.wlan.ntnu.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08:54 <ccfreak2k> As in "quit brathering me!" 15:10:29 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9D41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:53 *** Bartje [~quassel@83.101.78.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:08 <Belugas> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brathering :S 15:15:59 <JayDubeu> This sentance has been temporarily set to READ-ONLY. 15:17:23 <cornjuliox> really? 15:18:10 <Belugas> Fried Hering... 15:18:28 <Belugas> so... "Stop Fry my Hering" 15:18:31 <Belugas> ... 15:22:55 <planetmaker> Belugas, yes ;-) 15:23:40 <planetmaker> it's like the word is hard to reconize, if you expect it to be English, though ;-) 15:23:48 <planetmaker> *recognize 15:25:10 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@54.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 15:25:35 <Belugas> quite :) 15:33:35 *** Phazorx [~pavelkoll@77.239.236.193] has joined #openttd 15:33:40 <Phazorx> evening 15:34:01 <Phazorx> enlighten me please, what factors beside mass of train affect acceleration? 15:35:04 <Phazorx> err 15:35:10 <Phazorx> make that weight instead of mass 15:35:32 <Phazorx> so weight = mass * config weight facto 15:36:16 <Rubidium> HP, TE, incline, the ones I'm forgetting now 15:36:40 <Phazorx> TE? 15:36:46 <Rubidium> okay: 15:36:53 <Phazorx> and i do presume external conditions are fine 15:36:59 <Phazorx> so same rails 15:37:36 <Phazorx> i'm puzzled by 2 trains having diferent acceleration patterns here 15:37:43 <Phazorx> wile they have almost same weight 15:37:44 <Rubidium> weight, power, axle friction, rolling friction, speed, air drag, tractive effort, incline (slope) 15:38:04 <Phazorx> Rubidium: i mean in game :) 15:38:35 <Rubidium> in game, with the realistic accelaration it's 'limited' to: 15:38:37 <Rubidium> weight, power, axle friction, rolling friction, speed, air drag, tractive effort, incline (slope) 15:38:50 <Belugas> number of drinks the driver had before and during the drive 15:39:21 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@65.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:39:27 <Phazorx> weight = same, power = same engines, friction ??, speed same, air drag?? TE same, incline same 15:39:43 <Phazorx> where is air drag and friction coefs are noted in game? 15:40:06 <Rubidium> they're provided by newgrfs 15:40:37 <Phazorx> i figured that much but where can i see them? 15:40:56 <Rubidium> probably not 15:42:23 <Phazorx> so there is no way to knowingly recreate a train with different cars in respect to acceleration pattern? 15:43:11 *** roboboy [3aad2910@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:43:57 <peter1138> axle, rolling and air friction are all constant 15:44:10 <Phazorx> peter1138: per what? 15:44:32 <peter1138> so weight, power, max te and incline affects it 15:44:45 <peter1138> well, air drag is constant per train 15:44:57 <peter1138> axle/rolling is per wagon 15:44:59 <Phazorx> peter1138: per train as in same engine and same cars? 15:45:10 <peter1138> no, every train 15:45:22 <peter1138> (we don't implement the newgrf airdrag property) 15:45:28 <Phazorx> i see 15:45:35 <Phazorx> so that can be disregarded then 15:45:48 <Phazorx> and tractions are not displayed? 15:45:58 <Phazorx> neither per car nor for whole train? 15:45:58 <peter1138> max te is shown 15:46:40 <Phazorx> max te looks like it is massed and power based 15:49:44 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-27-249-61.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:50:11 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-82-27-249-61.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 15:50:24 <planetmaker> Phazorx, yes and no. It's separately defined 15:50:58 <Phazorx> planetmaker: err.. so MAX TE in engine is same as TE for train? 15:51:01 *** ptr is now known as Guest1819 15:51:22 *** Guest1819 is now known as ptr2 15:52:31 <planetmaker> yes. 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That is all. 21:12:56 <Rubidium> 5-9 degree C in Vancouver, 1 degree C in Crestview Florida :) 21:13:36 <michi_cc> A bit less rain wouldn 21:13:40 <michi_cc> t hurt though 21:14:54 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: It's all over.] 21:15:26 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:22 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:16:25 <SirSquidness> send the rain down here to south eastern australia! 21:16:48 <SirSquidness> ^_^ 21:18:03 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 21:19:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: a friend of mine returned from vancouver to berlin a few weeks ago, and he had a temperature drop of 20°C 21:19:54 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-24.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:20:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-237-245.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:25:55 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 21:28:01 *** thingwath [~thingwath@r10lq22.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:33:25 *** mib_pzqhv4 [5893471b@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:34:54 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:16 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:39:54 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ffde1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:09 *** wysiwtf [josh@blackbox.j-chaos.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:13 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19111 /trunk/src/ (53 files in 3 dirs): -Fix (r19070): the station view didn't show acceptance anymore 21:44:34 *** Rygir [~masked@d5153986F.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:43 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-141-68.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:59 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-141-68.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:54:10 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:56:44 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 21:58:52 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 22:01:25 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:03:29 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:49 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:03 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@65.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:17:01 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@65.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 22:18:08 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 540 seconds] 22:19:14 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:27:48 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: Untenmaa, Utm AÂœ - Aja 35 Odota seis] 22:30:53 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C818.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:31:06 <Belugas> grrrr 22:31:16 <Belugas> device keeps on resisting 22:31:48 <Belugas> going to have that problem in my mind for the whole weekend now... 22:31:52 <Belugas> bye bye 22:32:40 <Rubidium> noes... 22:32:52 <Rubidium> kill the device and don't think about it! 22:34:36 <ccfreak2k> Almost have joystick input tuned. 22:34:50 <ccfreak2k> I hope I didn't jinx myself by saying that. 22:35:29 <peter1138> you gotta get in to get out 22:53:40 *** patchbot [patchbot@patchbot.ttdpatch.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:53:41 *** patchbot [patchbot@patchbot.ttdpatch.net] has joined #openttd 22:58:26 *** Elessar [~tanguy@2a01:e34:ee8f:150:201:c0ff:fe04:d58b] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:58:27 *** Elessar [~tanguy@vanvogt.ortolo.eu] has joined #openttd 22:59:18 *** aber [~Adium@p5B32697C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:00:12 <ccfreak2k> The faster sounds are kind of funny, though. 23:00:21 <ccfreak2k> The honk of ships sounds like "beep beep!" 23:00:27 <ccfreak2k> Trucks sound like motorcycles. 23:00:49 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:00:51 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 23:00:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 23:00:57 *** mib_4pvuwq [5893471b@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:07:09 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like wrong sample rate 23:08:34 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-141-68.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:38 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 23:11:27 <ccfreak2k> Yeah it is. 23:11:49 <ccfreak2k> The GameCube sound driver assumes input is 32KHz if it's not 32 or 48. 23:16:22 <glx> hmm it's 44100 by default 23:17:46 <glx> but internally sounds are 11025 ;) 23:17:57 <Rubidium> except opensfx 23:18:27 <ccfreak2k> Once I get input working and verify that everything else works, I'll investigate using Secret Rabbit Code to resample sounds. 23:22:08 <Rubidium> ccfreak2k: just call MxInitiali[sz]e(32000) at the appropriate place 23:22:55 <ccfreak2k> In OpenTTD? 23:23:22 <Rubidium> yup 23:24:00 <Rubidium> you're using SDL? 23:24:09 <ccfreak2k> Yes. 23:24:25 <Rubidium> then it's called somewhere in src/sound/sdl_s.cpp 23:24:33 <Rubidium> *or* 23:24:39 <glx> line 40 ;) 23:25:47 <Rubidium> pass -ssdl:hz=32000 as parameter to ttd_main :) 23:26:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EFDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:26:43 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:30 <ccfreak2k> Now I need to figure out why I'm not getting button presses registered. 23:39:56 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: smatz * r19112 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Fix [FS#3611]: don't crash on broken lng file 23:41:35 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-213-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 23:45:38 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19113 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Change: [strgen] Remove the partially generated language file if compilation fails. 23:46:43 <ccfreak2k> Sounds are playing correctly now. 23:46:50 <ccfreak2k> Button presses still not working. :( 23:48:03 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19114 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: 23:48:03 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Change: [strgen] Modify the outputted format for MSVC builds of strgen so it 23:48:03 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: also shows fatal errors in the 'error list' and it also counts them. (Fatal) 23:48:03 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: errors are marked as warnings so a failing language file is not causing the 23:48:03 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: complete compilation to fail. 23:51:29 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 23:51:51 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:04 *** Rubix`` [~wrqwer@cbl-dhcp-5-050.machlink.com] has joined #openttd 23:52:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EFDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52:45 <Terkhen> good night 23:52:47 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@65.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 23:53:10 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 23:57:02 <rhaeder> hi 23:57:17 <rhaeder> will ccache support be added in the near future? 23:57:35 <rhaeder> would help people who recompile often 23:57:44 <Rubidium> nah 23:58:01 <Rubidium> we first need to find a way to make people read the help files :) 23:58:10 <rhaeder> ah, ok :D 23:58:36 <Rubidium> hmm, or... maybe it should be added to the help files 23:58:43 <rhaeder> the same to me? I did the generic way with export FOO="ccache foo-compiler" 23:58:56 <rhaeder> here is my ticket: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3615 23:59:37 <Rubidium> ./configure --with-ccache