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00:00:49 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 00:01:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19262 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: finalise BaNaNaS support for music sets 00:01:46 *** Xhinnus [~Xhinnus@190.209.76.203] has joined #openttd 00:01:51 <Xhinnus> hi 00:01:55 <Rubidium> hai 00:02:02 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 00:02:03 <Eddi|zuHause> wo? 00:02:20 <Rubidium> in my soup 00:02:45 <Xhinnus> i looking several for one think, i can`t find the answer, can anybody helpme? 00:03:10 <Eddi|zuHause> you know how mister Knigge died? 00:03:21 <Eddi|zuHause> he fell from a ship into the water and was attacked by a shark 00:03:32 <Eddi|zuHause> and when he pulled his sword, someone from the ship shouted: 00:03:42 <Eddi|zuHause> "but mister Knigge, fish with a knife?" 00:03:46 <Xhinnus> how can i grow up the city ranking of my company? plz 00:04:19 <Rubidium> Xhinnus: take a look at http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Local_authority_rating 00:04:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Xhinnus: with good service, trees or bribes 00:04:55 <Xhinnus> thX!!! :) 00:05:30 *** Xhinnus [~Xhinnus@190.209.76.203] has quit [] 00:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause> why do i always think of a guy flying past my screen when i read "THX"? 00:10:25 * Zuu looks on his airport wih NW, NE, SW and SE signs in their respective directions at the adjacent tiles and realize how much more work there is to add a multi-tile drop at a good location. 00:15:43 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:21:01 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 00:21:36 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77B88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:32:46 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:36:56 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c694.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:40:11 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:11 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:58 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:42:42 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 00:43:18 *** mateusjmf [~mateus@189.53.92.177] has joined #openttd 00:45:28 <supdood> is it possible as admin of a server to explode the whole map? 00:46:01 <notjotham> explode? 00:46:29 <supdood> yeah remove everything 00:46:42 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-223-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 00:47:24 <SpComb^> possible with cheats, but I guess those can't be enabled in mp 00:47:41 <supdood> how? so i atleast can try it 00:47:48 <SpComb^> (magic bulldozer + money) 00:48:06 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Quit: Flieht, ihr Narren!] 00:48:14 <SpComb^> depending on what value of "whole" you want 00:48:17 <mateusjmf> good night for all! how install openttd in linux Ubuntu 9.10? I have problem in instalation! 00:48:28 <SpComb^> does that include all industries and town houses? :) 00:48:46 <supdood> how do i enable multi bulldozer? 00:49:03 <SpComb^> using the cheat menu 00:49:42 <supdood> ahh cant seem to find it in mp :( 00:49:43 <mateusjmf> help me please! 00:51:17 <Rubidium> mateusjmf: just install the version that's packaged with ubuntu 9.10? 00:52:37 <Rubidium> otherwise install the generic package, not the one for Debian Lenny 00:54:27 <mateusjmf> in the hour to install of the error in the video! 00:55:08 <Rubidium> then install libsdl 00:55:23 <Rubidium> assuming that's the problem you're facing 00:57:22 <mateusjmf> already I installed libsdl and exactly thus it does not function! what it can be? 00:58:52 <Rubidium> we need more information than that, e.g. an error message 01:00:21 <mateusjmf> you know if exists IRC openttd of the Brazil? I am Brazilian and I speak little English! 01:02:04 <Rubidium> I'm not aware of a Brazilian channel; there seem to be (occasionally) Portuguese or Brazilian people in here although given the lack of reaction from any of those probably none at the moment 01:02:37 <mateusjmf> exists some site in web to lower the game with the folders necessary to complete the installation? 01:04:26 <mateusjmf> Of where it is using a keyboard? 01:05:24 <Eddi|zuHause> could you please type the exact error message you get? 01:06:23 <Rubidium> and tell what version of OpenTTD you're using / trying to install 01:07:37 <mateusjmf> I am having problems in using a keyboard with vocês! my English he is basic forgive, me! 01:08:20 <mateusjmf> I am having problems in using a keyboard with you! my English he is basic forgive 01:10:02 *** Wintersoldier [~davidclam@c-24-5-19-146.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Wintersoldier] 01:10:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping 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[~Neon@dslb-088-069-223-052.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:06 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19263 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r19184): some specific industry creation errors got replaced by 'site unsuitable'. 10:03:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19264 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Fix (r19179): strgen segfaults when trying to lookup the command for a non-existing command 10:08:30 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19265 /trunk/src/ (49 files in 3 dirs): -Fix [FS#3618]: "Can't build <industry> here... <industry> in the way" showed the to-be-built industry twice, instead of the to-be-built industry and the industry that's in the way 10:10:17 <planetmaker> those sound like fixes which will get backported ;-) 10:10:27 <Rubidium> not all :) 10:10:27 <planetmaker> good morning also :-) 10:10:39 <planetmaker> oh, not? 10:10:48 <__ln__> *shown 10:11:08 <Rubidium> 19184 is not in the 1.0 branch 10:11:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:12:21 <planetmaker> he :-) 10:12:57 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 10:16:16 <planetmaker> he, let's not introduce a new inconsistency in the German translation ;-) 10:16:37 <Rubidium> did I? 10:17:00 <Rubidium> planetmaker: https://secure.openttd.org:444/test-www/en/bananas/base/ :) 10:18:38 <planetmaker> No, you didn't. I was about to, but luckily noticed ;-) 10:19:12 <planetmaker> uhm... empty page, Rubidium ? 10:19:32 <Rubidium> oh, maybe you need ipv6 to reach that page :) 10:19:41 <planetmaker> I guess I don't have that here. 10:19:46 <Rubidium> after all, it's the website testbed :) 10:19:51 <planetmaker> :-) 10:20:16 <Rubidium> anyhow, with recent trunk downloading openmsx from bananas should work 10:20:34 <ccfreak2k> I see it. 10:20:46 <Rubidium> (recent trunk as in today's (UTC)) 10:20:50 <ccfreak2k> I don't think I've got an IPv6 address thjough. 10:21:34 <Rubidium> then maybe his browser barfs on the certificate? 10:22:09 <roboboy> mine barfed on the certificates, but I got there eventualy 10:25:29 * roboboy fires DOSBox up 10:26:18 <Rubidium> planetmaker: if you add OpenMSX to bananas, could you set 268454720 as minimum required version? That's 1.0 branch after 19264 which would mean it isn't downloaded with the betas/RCs as it doesn't work correctly there 10:27:43 <planetmaker> 268454720? That's rather a high number ;-) 10:28:03 <Rubidium> @base 10 16 268454721 10:28:03 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 10004B41 10:28:16 <planetmaker> oh, that funny bit. 10:28:29 <planetmaker> But... it means that current trunk won't download it? 10:28:48 <Ammler> current trunk is 1.1 10:28:51 <Rubidium> trunk will, that's 11004B42-ish 10:28:57 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 10:29:38 <planetmaker> oh... did the versioning scheme change somewhat that the 5-digit svn numbers don't work there? 10:29:47 <planetmaker> or did it always require a number of that kind? 10:30:10 <Rubidium> it always required such a number, although it was kinda hidden 10:30:26 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [] 10:30:31 <planetmaker> I guess I set all minimum version requirements wrongly then ;-) And probably not only me. 10:30:36 <Rubidium> e.g. 0.7.5 became 07500000 hex 10:30:56 <Ammler> I guess, it is well documented in the newgrf spec 10:31:00 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:5ae3:813a::1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:31:11 <Rubidium> so use the 10004B41hex as custom version 10:31:12 <planetmaker> yes, the specs have that kind of versioning scheme IIRC 10:31:23 <planetmaker> But I only ever extracted the SVN rev number ;-) 10:31:37 <planetmaker> ok, no problem :-) 10:31:40 <Ammler> (you could skip the release bits) 10:31:49 <planetmaker> Ammler, that's what I do, yes 10:31:54 <planetmaker> and that's why I forgot ;-) 10:32:54 <planetmaker> Rubidium, but bananas accepts the number only in dec, not in hex, right? 10:33:08 <Rubidium> IIRC yes, but you can try it :) 10:33:17 <planetmaker> :-) 10:33:43 <Ammler> it does somehow convert it, I ad some "strange" numbers there I didn't put. 10:33:49 <Ammler> had* 10:53:36 <Zuu> Wiki: "Co-operative (or co-op) gameplay is when _one_ or more people run a company using the multiplayer system, working together to achieve the same goals." :-) 11:00:20 <SpComb^> off-by-one error 11:01:55 <Rubidium> schizophrenia? 11:09:39 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:14:43 <planetmaker> good point, Zuu ;-) 11:14:44 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:10 *** Guest689 is now known as dihedral 11:15:13 <Zuu> I'd like to see a single-player co-operative game :-) 11:15:45 *** dihedral is now known as Guest694 11:15:45 <Zuu> (using the multi-player system) 11:16:16 *** Guest694 [~dih@62.75.241.204] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 11:16:19 *** dih [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 11:20:58 <SpComb^> Zuu: you could have spectators 11:20:59 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has joined #openttd 11:21:19 <SpComb^> for me, co-op is just the absemse of competition 11:22:13 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-94-167.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 11:22:44 <Ammler> Zuu: coop with your AIs :-) 11:23:22 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.214] has quit [] 11:25:01 *** Goulpy [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 11:25:04 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:12 *** Goulpy [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has left #openttd [] 11:25:55 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d7cc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B69B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:31:27 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:33:05 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B1D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:30 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:46:56 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.17.249.21] has joined #openttd 11:47:44 *** gathers [~gathers@c80-216-140-48.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:56:44 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:57:15 <roboboy> hello 12:00:01 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:05:23 *** db48x [~db48x@64.218.49.85] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:05:39 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:34 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-94-167.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:12:09 *** jpx [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:18:39 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@e83-245-141-68.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:53 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.132] has joined #openttd 12:26:11 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 12:29:13 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-48-216.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:40 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-48-216.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:33:24 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@35.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 12:33:38 <Terkhen> hello 12:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause> why does the ECS saw mill chop trees? 12:37:28 <peter1138> why not? 12:38:06 <planetmaker> hello Terkhen 12:44:38 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:46:08 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:11 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 12:48:24 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 12:49:06 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:49:50 *** DJNekkid [~thomas@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:05 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has joined #openttd 12:52:53 *** Forgetful_Lion [HydraIRC@CPE-121-208-195-54.szxk1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 12:54:23 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:56:27 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 12:56:51 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ac13:a191:c591:799c] has joined #openttd 12:56:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:01:37 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:05:07 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:12:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:12:54 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:15:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:17:12 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 13:24:48 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:15 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 13:27:46 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:32:26 *** Gar`zzz [~zombiepug@124.189.247.49] has quit [] 13:33:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33:51 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:05 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 13:51:23 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-74-109-48-216.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:03:47 <Belugas> hello 14:14:11 <roboboy> gnight 14:18:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:19:27 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 14:20:01 <Eddi|zuHause> # i say hello, you say goodbye 14:24:42 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@oops.i.forgot.to.set.my.hostmask.kingj.net] has joined #openttd 14:28:32 <Priski> haha, only in russia: a chimp has been sent to for clinic for alcohol/cigarette addiction 14:29:16 <Priski> how the hell chimp has been able to drink and smoke, apparently quite some time 14:32:03 *** lolman_ is now known as lolman 14:32:07 <Priski> "chimp has been given beer and cigarettes from zoo visitors" 14:35:50 <Eddi|zuHause> so he knows how to use a cigarette lighter? 14:40:09 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 14:48:01 <aber> probably he just asks for fire. 14:48:46 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:48:51 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.132] has joined #openttd 14:49:51 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 14:50:34 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:48 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: ragzid] 14:53:02 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 14:53:53 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EC42E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:01:17 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 15:02:45 <Priski> another interesting news for you 15:03:16 <Priski> in norway there soon are openin brothels that are free 15:04:12 <Priski> they just made law that made buying sex a crime, so now there are opening brothels that don't charge for sex 15:04:55 <Rubidium> so Christians may not have sex anymore, or get married for free 15:04:56 <Priski> 60 women and 30 men have been applied for soon starting jobs :D 15:05:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't pay for sex, but for condoms, wine, "entrance"? 15:06:13 <Eddi|zuHause> room usage 15:06:14 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: the news reports imply none of such, but who knows 15:06:47 <Priski> they haven't told the details yet 15:07:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like cinemas undercharge you for the ticket, but charge extra for cola and popcorn... 15:07:07 <Rubidium> you have to pay for the details 15:07:26 <Eddi|zuHause> or gas stations who don't earn money on gas, but only on stuff the people buy in the shop 15:07:31 <Priski> apparently it's backed by an political group that wants selling sex legal 15:09:57 <Priski> they open in 5. month in 5 different cities 15:10:25 <__ln__> Priski: did you book your flights yet? 15:10:25 <Priski> maybe I should make an cultural trip to oslo in during summer... :D 15:13:48 *** jpx [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:14:32 <Eddi|zuHause> "was ist bitte CAPSLOCK-Wetter" - "es SHIFT ohne ende" 15:15:09 <planetmaker> :-D 15:15:31 <planetmaker> I'll remember that one :-) 15:17:10 *** jpx_ [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:18:09 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, btw, the only safe way to get all dirs which I need, is unfortunately a bit longer than the one line you gave yesterday - though it's the basis: 15:18:32 <planetmaker> REPO_FILEDIRS1 := $(shell for i in $(REPO_FILES); do dirname $$i; done | sort | uniq) 15:18:32 <planetmaker> REPO_FILEDIRS2 := $(shell for i in $(REPO_FILEDIRS1); do for j in `echo "$$i" | grep -o -b '/' | cut -f1 -d:`; do echo "$$i" | cut -b1-$$j; done; done | sort | uniq) 15:18:32 <planetmaker> REPO_DIRS := $(shell for i in $(REPO_FILEDIRS1) $(REPO_FILEDIRS2); do echo $$i; done | sort | uniq) 15:18:37 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah. you might have to recurse the line... 15:18:41 <planetmaker> exactly 15:19:13 <planetmaker> the last line is then everything in order for a mkdir call 15:20:31 <planetmaker> and it still fails nicely on file and dir names with spaces. 15:20:37 <planetmaker> But I decided to not care about that 15:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause> of course... 15:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause> spaces are the death of such simple approaches 15:22:12 <planetmaker> grf authors who need space in their paths or filenames shall write their own makefile ;-) 15:22:40 <Eddi|zuHause> you could check for spaces first, and issue an error 15:23:11 <planetmaker> true. But that wouldn't make much of a difference, if I get an error there or then. 15:23:26 <planetmaker> It's anyway only important for bundling the source dir. 15:23:44 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but it makes sense to tell other people explicitly that spaces are not handled. 15:24:05 <Eddi|zuHause> instead of some very obscure error message about files not being found 15:24:06 <planetmaker> yes, I thought about a line in the ominous do-not-readme ;-) 15:24:32 <planetmaker> also... how do I test for spaces? 15:25:50 <Eddi|zuHause> when "wc" and "wc -l" differ by more than factor two? 15:26:43 <Eddi|zuHause> might rely on uncertain output format of hg st... 15:28:24 <Eddi|zuHause> for non-germans, the above joke plays on http://dict.leo.org/?search=schiffen (meaning 3) 15:28:37 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has left #openttd [] 15:29:34 <planetmaker> actually... when wc and wc -l differ at all for a hg st -A 15:29:46 <planetmaker> (or the appropriate subset) 15:29:52 <planetmaker> thanks for the idea :-) 15:32:00 <peter1138> huh? comparing output of "wc" with output of "wc -l" ? 15:32:07 <planetmaker> wc -w 15:32:16 <planetmaker> and wc -l 15:32:22 <peter1138> number of words vs number of lines 15:32:23 <planetmaker> if things are one per line that's fine 15:32:28 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:32:28 <planetmaker> yes. 15:32:38 <planetmaker> is one word 15:32:41 <peter1138> okay. sounds like you're doing something wrong somewhere... 15:32:42 <planetmaker> /blah/blub/filename 15:33:29 <planetmaker> please tell me :-) 15:33:50 <Eddi|zuHause> you can also use grep 15:34:09 <peter1138> what are you actually tring to do? 15:34:33 <planetmaker> peter1138, the idea is to detect whether the repo has anywhere a dir or filename with spaces 15:34:44 <planetmaker> as that will cause trouble later on. 15:34:58 <peter1138> trouble with what? 15:35:10 <planetmaker> what I do have is a list of all files with path in the form of /blah/blub/myfile.extension 15:35:35 <planetmaker> trouble with the mkdir and cp where I get their arguments from the variable. within the makefile 15:36:01 <peter1138> you've heard of quotes, right? 15:36:18 <planetmaker> yes... 15:36:56 <peter1138> FOO=/path with spaces; mkdir "$FOO"; ? 15:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: that doesn't work with for i in $(blah) 15:37:22 <planetmaker> ^ 15:37:32 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:38:23 *** jpx [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:38:32 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/224955 <-- the two relevant pieces from the makefile 15:39:09 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 15:39:53 <Ammler> what if you change field delimiter? 15:40:01 <Ammler> $IFS iirc 15:41:10 <planetmaker> hm... 15:41:34 *** jpx_ [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:09 *** lobstah [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:15 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [] 15:43:33 <planetmaker> might be an idea, if it works within a makefile 15:44:03 <Ammler> not sure, but might be easier than detect spaces :-) 15:47:36 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 15:50:44 <peter1138> you could probably do all that with a couple of awk statements ;p 15:53:04 <planetmaker> many roads lead to Rome ;-) 16:08:06 <Belugas> and many bits in a ROM 16:08:15 * Belugas has no idea why he said taht 16:08:26 *** Absolutis [~Absolutis@dsl-tlubrasgw1-fe87de00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:13:04 <peter1138> "why not" 16:13:05 <peter1138> :D 16:16:50 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:5ae3:813a::1] has joined #openttd 16:18:02 <Belugas> hehehe 16:18:15 <Belugas> yup, good enough reason 16:19:02 *** tdev [~tdev@p508EC42E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:23:21 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:24:46 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:11 *** Absolutis [~Absolutis@dsl-tlubrasgw1-fe87de00-63.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 16:25:33 <sparr> Rubidium: replied to your comment on my bug 16:27:35 <sparr> Rubidium: happy to discuss here, or in PM, if that's faster 16:28:19 *** jpx [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:29:42 <sparr> Rubidium: the idea behind the code, before and after my patch, is that the resources are split between the two stations based on rating (and the second station is penalized), then each station suffers some wasteage of the amount it was given. 16:29:50 <sparr> my patch doesn't affect the split, just the wasteage 16:30:40 <sparr> I can't say if the split in openttd matches ttd, that's a lot harder to test. But the wasteage definitely doesn't currently match, I think due to the bug in question 16:31:42 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBC43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:32:01 *** jpx_ [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:38:40 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:41:14 <sparr> thanks for taking the time to consider the patch, at least 16:42:23 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158]] 16:42:36 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:46:33 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:5ae3:813a::1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:05 *** ptr_ [~peter@dhcp-161-113.dsv.su.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:25 * Terkhen hates quaternions 16:58:23 <Rubidium> I can imagine you hate the complex things for a number of reasons :) 17:01:09 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 17:02:18 *** Frankr is now known as Guest728 17:02:20 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 17:03:40 <Terkhen> having to deal with them is the most important one :P 17:04:54 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:04:54 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest729 17:04:54 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:04:57 <Eddi|zuHause> what did the poor quaternions ever do to you? 17:05:53 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:05:54 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest730 17:05:54 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:06:28 <OwenS> Terkhen: Theres a reason I only use quaternions on the network. Matrices are soo much less confusing 17:07:30 *** Guest728 [~chatzilla@nas46-122.york.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:09:52 *** Hackykid_ [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 17:09:52 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:10 *** Guest729 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:21 <Terkhen> I'd prefer to use a matrix, but if I do someone at the final review will ask why I'm not using quaternions for performance reasons 17:12:43 *** KenjiE20 is now known as [ghost]buster 17:12:53 *** [ghost]buster is now known as KenjiE20 17:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause> so? all that needs is an argument for "i can optimise this better, so it reaches the same performance" 17:13:25 <Rubidium> Terkhen: but if with matrices *your* performance is better, doesn't that count? 17:13:34 *** Guest730 [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:14:23 <OwenS> Terkhen: Graphics work? 17:15:27 <Terkhen> hmm... I can justify using a matrix, yes... as long as the motive sounds "technical" enough 17:16:01 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:5ae3:813a::1] has joined #openttd 17:16:14 <Terkhen> OwenS: no, I need to store the orientation of a wiimote 17:16:52 <OwenS> Terkhen: Aah. If it was graphics work a valid excuse would have been "Converting the quaternion to a matrix for the graphics card makes things actually go slower" :p 17:17:07 <Terkhen> probably I'm worrying too much, I doubt any of the teachers will read my code / documentation 17:17:12 <OwenS> I can't imagine a Wiimote's input is so rapid to use more than 0.01% of CPU time though... 17:17:34 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:34 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest732 17:17:35 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 17:20:55 <Terkhen> well, the matrix / quaternion input will probably be used for graphics later 17:21:07 <Terkhen> I'll use that excuse, thanks :) 17:21:50 <OwenS> I don't know if it's true or not; to be honest, I don't care, since matrix multiplication isn't anywhere on my profiles 17:22:20 <Terkhen> as long as it sounds reasonable... :) 17:23:06 <OwenS> In fact, my profiles are 90% _nv######GL :p 17:23:54 <OwenS> And 10% Frustum::classify and std::sort 17:25:10 *** Guest732 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:45 <Eddi|zuHause> of course, "this is not performance critical" is a very good argument for not focusing on optimisation 17:26:38 <Terkhen> I hope to make something related to graphics, but I won't know for sure until I test how precise is the input 17:28:30 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:39:23 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19266 /extra/website/frontpage/templates/frontpage/development.html: [Website] -Update: the development page 17:43:56 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48:24 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@CPE-58-173-248-50.szxn1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 17:50:04 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:5ae3:813a::1] has quit [Quit: rebooting] 17:54:53 *** mib_w7pe0f [54de03d3@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:55:29 <mib_w7pe0f> http://varietytribe.forumcommunity.net/ 17:55:49 *** guru3 [~guru3@2002:5ae3:813a::1] has joined #openttd 17:56:34 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:18 *** mib_w7pe0f [54de03d3@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [] 18:11:37 *** Tulitoma1tti [tt@moeru.eu] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:13:35 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 18:13:52 *** aber [~Adium@p5B324B93.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:14:32 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe40a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:16:42 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@40.96.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:49 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:33:04 <sparr> Rubidium: ping 18:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause> great... digging a 6 year old topic... new record? 18:36:16 <Rubidium> nah 18:37:33 <sparr> Eddi|zuHause: someone complained about me doing the same... what's the problem? 18:37:48 <sparr> if there was an issue 6 years ago, and it's still an issue, why throw away all the debate about it then? 18:38:51 <Terkhen> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=859855#p859855 <-- wow 18:38:53 <Eddi|zuHause> sparr: there is a difference between reviving an old discussion with new insight, and senselessly spam an "i agree." under something that has been actually resolved... 18:40:30 <OwenS> Terkhen: I think that's a new luser attitude low 18:40:54 <Rubidium> OwenS: nah, it's just that they're not going directly to the locomotion part of the forum anymore 18:41:43 <Terkhen> it's only missing "And make also X while you are at it" to be "perfect" 18:42:25 <sparr> Eddi|zuHause: ahh, yes 18:42:31 <OwenS> And yay, my bytecode writer is working properly :-) 18:42:51 <sparr> www.tt-forums.net uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate is only valid for login.tt-forums.net 18:43:30 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:43:38 <sparr> Rubidium: in most situations I would let my rebuttal of your math speak for itself, but it occurs to me that your opinion has a bit more weight around here than mine, would you mind retracting? 18:44:09 <sparr> I fear another dev may look at the bug, go "oh, Rubidium said the patch is bad", and ignore it 18:45:23 <Belugas> i think that , personnaly, knowing Rubidium's knowledge and expertise on the game, his opinion has far more weight than mine, and even more than yours, sparr 18:45:31 <sparr> right, that :) 18:45:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19267 /trunk/bin/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:45:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: Bulgarian, Chinese (Traditional), Croatian, Indonesian, Norwegian (Bokmal), Portuguese, Russian and Slovenian base set translations. 18:45:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: +description.bg_BG = 18:45:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ?8?9?9?8?8?6?8?3?8?1?8?9 18:45:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ?8?8?9?1?8?3?8?4?8?6?8?6?8?7?8?1?8?9 18:45:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ?8?1?8?6?8?6?8?1?9?0. 18:45:37 <Belugas> and i'm pretty sure the other devs think the same too 18:45:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: +description.hr_HR = Muzi?6?1ki paket bez ikakve muzike. 18:45:48 <sparr> I agree 18:46:39 <Eddi|zuHause> interesting commit message :p 18:46:42 <Rubidium> argh... should've removed that :( 18:47:06 <Zuu> Is that some kind of UTF8/Unicode? 18:47:10 <Rubidium> oh WT3 where art thou? 18:47:20 <OwenS> I'd say itl ooks like Unicode escapes/ 18:47:21 <Belugas> that is one of his password 18:48:08 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: what's up with WT3 not committing? 18:48:40 <sparr> Belugas: does what I said make sense in that light? 18:48:42 <TrueBrain> I thin kyou broke it 18:48:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 18:48:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 18:49:18 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: yeah, I know I always break it :) 18:49:25 <TrueBrain> DNS issue 18:49:35 <TrueBrain> hahaha 18:49:37 <Rubidium> dns issue? Whut? 18:49:40 <TrueBrain> and you committed EXACTLY when it was committing 18:49:46 <TrueBrain> so it give an out-of-date error 18:50:39 <TrueBrain> generating commit 18:51:12 <Rubidium> woei... :) 18:51:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19268 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files): (log message trimmed) 18:51:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:51:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 4 changes by elleryq 18:51:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: esperanto - 272 changes by Ailanto, kristjan 18:51:15 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 18:51:16 <Rubidium> thanks! 18:51:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 18:51:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: indonesian - 11 changes by fanioz 18:51:19 <TrueBrain> np 18:51:37 <TrueBrain> still not 90% ... 18:51:55 <Rubidium> you have no esperanto translators for like 2 years and then you've got two :) 18:52:11 <Rubidium> so... where are those TWO Mac OS X maintainers? 18:54:05 <OwenS> Hmm... Time to learn (*gasp*) boost::spirit 18:55:14 <Rubidium> is that a boost library to burn CDs/DVDs? 18:55:17 * FauxFaux giggles at OwenS. 18:56:01 <sparr> I wonder how feasible it would be to convince a translated game like openttd to display things in one language but provide tooltip text in english, as a tool for learning the other language 18:56:17 <OwenS> It's the boost parser library. An unholy combination of operator overloading and templates 18:57:08 <OwenS> And while I may have issues with Boost - in particular, their build system (And to a lesser extent their coding conventions - but I can live with that) - as a header-only library, I can't really complain too much about Spirit 18:58:20 <Alberth> Rubidium: hopefully, it takes less than 2 years to get those maintainers 18:58:24 <Eddi|zuHause> sparr: make a new language.txt replacing all the _TOOLTIP strings 18:59:28 <Zuu> OwenS: Their library for parsing CLI arguments made me cry. 19:00:07 <OwenS> Zuu: Hah. I think that internally uses Spirit. Spirit's not too bad considering it takes as close to EBNF as you can get in C++ 19:00:09 <Eddi|zuHause> sparr: possibly useful sideffect: missing strings in the translation are displayed in english 19:00:11 <sparr> Rubidium: sorry to come across as demanding. thanks again for looking at it at all 19:00:16 <Zuu> They used the language in a such way that if you made a typo it could easily compile anyway and cause hard to find bugs instead of throwing comile errors right away. 19:00:41 <OwenS> Zuu: Thats an interesting change from the usual boost 50 line errors containing mainly "In this context" 19:00:52 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 19:02:50 <Zuu> I haven't been using boost for long time now. For signals I use sigc++ instead and the rest I don't use. 19:03:15 <OwenS> I'm using just boost::ptr_containers at the moment 19:04:48 <Zuu> (having curling on my second screen) - why do I always look away when the stones hit the center? :-p 19:14:09 <Chrill> CURLING 19:14:12 <Chrill> cus that's a sport.. 19:14:22 <Sacro> curling is awesome 19:15:23 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:15:37 <sparr> curling is more of a sport than shuffleboard 19:16:47 <Yexo> <sparr> I wonder how feasible it would be to convince a translated game like openttd to display things in one language but provide tooltip text in english, as a tool for learning the other language <- not to hard if you generate a new language file without the tooltips 19:24:22 <Ammler> :'-( lost 19:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause> what's wrong with lost? 19:29:55 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B1D8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:40:19 <Zuu> Maybe the wrong team lost the last curling game? 19:43:43 *** Razmir [~razmir@23.57.broadband10.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 19:53:07 <frosch123> as long as the right one wins it 20:02:14 <sparr> frosch123: thanks for the savegame. your observations differ from mine. i shall try to find out why. 20:03:19 <frosch123> maybe you can also discover why the transporation percantage varies a lot while the rating stays quite constant :) 20:03:20 <sparr> i should have made a savegame when i had a chance 20:05:49 *** gathers [~gathers@c80-216-140-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:08:32 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:28 * OwenS wishes all build tools learn't from CMake's progress outputs 20:20:47 *** SHADOW-XIII [Miranda@cpc2-lewi3-0-0-cust462.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:21:20 <SHADOW-XIII> anyone following on StarCraft II beta ? 20:21:26 <SHADOW-XIII> /join #sc2 20:22:20 <TrueBrain> @kban SHADOW-XIII spam 20:22:22 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!Miranda@cpc2-lewi3-0-0-cust462.bmly.cable.ntl.com] by DorpsGek 20:22:22 *** SHADOW-XIII was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [spam] 20:22:37 <OwenS> Spams bad in there today :-S 20:22:41 <planetmaker> Rubidium: is there no fallback music set defined? 20:23:00 <TrueBrain> OwenS: I am always in for a kick, so just tell me :p 20:23:18 <planetmaker> If the currently defined one is not found, it tells me that I'm most probably missing TTD original music also ;-) 20:23:21 <planetmaker> and then quits 20:24:03 <sparr> frosch123: the fluctuating transportation percentage makes this hard to do in general 20:24:17 <OwenS> I suppose that comes with being in the top 10 (?) channels on a network :-P 20:25:00 <TrueBrain> this channel is in the top 10? This network sucks :p 20:25:28 <frosch123> actually shadow is a regular visitor of this channel, no bot :p 20:25:38 <planetmaker> hehe, yeah 20:25:59 <TrueBrain> frosch123: yup, I am aware. He is mostly the person joining 100 times a day, not saying anything ;) Either way, even more reason why he should know not to do that ;) Ghehe :) 20:27:42 <Zuu> Does building a bus stop decrease the town rating? Eg, if I'm unsure if I will be able to connect the road station to the town, do I have anything to win by placing a depot there in the way during path finding? 20:27:49 <OwenS> irc.netsplit.de has you 9th, assuming it sorts the channels in descending order, which it appears to be doing 20:28:31 <OwenS> Sorry, 8th. 9 channels per page, wtf?! 20:29:14 <Alberth> just to discourage people to look at the lesser used channels :p 20:29:26 <Yexo> Zuu: indirectly yes, as unused stations decrease it 20:29:33 <Yexo> see http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_Mechanics#Local_authority_rating 20:29:41 <Zuu> Unused stations or unused station parts? 20:29:47 <Yexo> unused stations 20:30:11 <Zuu> Ok, then no difference in this case as I'm attaching bus stops to an existing inter-city station. 20:31:04 <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> this channel is in the top 10? This network sucks :p <-- we have been one of the largest channels here since the beginning... :p 20:31:15 <TrueBrain> scary 20:31:17 <Zuu> Though, I realized I could include in my road pathfinder callback support for putting big penalties on forbidden tiles. 20:32:38 <planetmaker> Zuu: you bad guy. Station walking! People will flame you ;-) 20:33:23 <Zuu> Who said anything about station walking? Isn't I'm a good guy trying to implement attaching stations without using distant join? 20:37:46 <Zuu> If you want to balme an AI for being lazy with station walking I suggest picking a better AI to blame than PAXLink ;-) 20:37:59 <SpComb^> hmmwtf, SHADOW-XIII 20:38:51 <SpComb^> he used to be a moderator or something on ttf 20:38:56 <orudge> a long time ago 20:39:02 <orudge> he also used to be very anti-OpenTTD :p 20:39:12 <orudge> and now plays it on his PSP or something along those lines 20:39:26 <orudge> he came to the first TT meet, more than you did, young SpComb^! 20:42:20 <planetmaker> hmpf... crash. 20:45:47 <SpComb^> orudge: I dispute the existance of such a thing 20:46:09 <orudge> a young SpComb^? or a TT meet? 20:46:38 <SpComb^> yes 20:47:05 <orudge> quite 20:50:32 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-17-162.A149.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 20:57:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:58:39 <Rubidium> planetmaker: no_music is part of the 'default' install 20:58:40 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@139.158.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 20:59:09 <planetmaker> Yes, but it wasn't selected when I removed my (old) openmsx w/o changing the config 20:59:14 <planetmaker> it asserted. 20:59:25 <Rubidium> asserted? More errored I hope 20:59:33 <Rubidium> and it does for all base sets 20:59:38 <planetmaker> uhm... true. sorry. 21:00:10 <planetmaker> But I have another one. With my current version of OpenMSX where songs are not consecutive 21:00:19 <planetmaker> There it crashes outright 21:00:36 <Rubidium> huh? They're not consecutive in the original set either 21:00:52 <planetmaker> hold on, I add it to FS for you to download 21:00:55 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:01:34 <planetmaker> uh... only killall helped :S 21:02:54 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-169-136-90.range86-169.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:04:21 <planetmaker> uploaded 21:04:35 <planetmaker> fs #4648 21:04:40 <planetmaker> #3648 21:04:49 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@40.96.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:44 <planetmaker> Rubidium: if I set the "new" song at position3 (as old2 = ...) then all is fine. 21:14:35 <planetmaker> I guess I'll add it there for now ;-) 21:14:45 <planetmaker> Then I can offer people a small taster :-) 21:15:34 <Rubidium> yay... works for me! 21:16:02 <planetmaker> he. 21:16:10 <Rubidium> or I've done something 'wrong' 21:16:50 <planetmaker> Select OpenMSX. Then chose an individual programme. For example "Little Blue Car", "Theme Song" 21:16:53 <planetmaker> Then press play 21:17:04 <planetmaker> And it does go bye bye for me 21:17:09 <planetmaker> mind the order of the songs 21:17:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-131-133.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:17:41 <Rubidium> take a look at the crash log 21:17:59 <Rubidium> it's completely in 'Apple' code, except the crash handler 21:18:15 <Rubidium> maybe it's the midi that crashes the midi player 21:18:16 <planetmaker> yiepieh 21:18:25 <planetmaker> The midi itself plays fine 21:18:31 <planetmaker> if I only select that song 21:23:18 <planetmaker> hm... it seems it's not as clear as it seemed initially. Now it died on me with that song only selected, too 21:23:24 <planetmaker> Nice. Another apple bug :S 21:23:38 <TrueBrain> I hate bugged apples 21:28:30 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:28:40 <planetmaker> why the heck do you own one in that case, TrueBrain ? 21:29:29 <Rubidium> especially the green apples are good, except when they are dry and such 21:29:39 <TrueBrain> they taste liked shit, apples that are bugged 21:29:41 <TrueBrain> dunno how about you ... 21:29:47 <planetmaker> Boskop 21:29:51 <TrueBrain> but sometimes you get them in a bunch 21:30:01 <TrueBrain> so I don't own them because I want to 21:30:04 <TrueBrain> it just happens :) 21:30:13 <planetmaker> he :-P 21:34:59 <Zuu> At some point I guess I should make libraries of the shared code between PAXLink and CluelessPlus instead of copying over things. This time I was almost sure I had implemented something but couldn't find it just to realize it was in the other AI. :-) 21:40:16 <Terkhen> good night 21:40:18 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@35.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:43:43 <andythenorth> hi hi 21:43:59 <Eddi|zuHause> the joy of copy paste :p 21:44:26 <Eddi|zuHause> even my mother understood why that is a bad thing :p 21:45:15 *** NekoMaster [~chatzilla@bas4-oshawa95-2925046103.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 21:45:46 *** NekoMaster [~chatzilla@bas4-oshawa95-2925046103.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 21:50:37 <Zuu> Was looking around to see if I could find a good teaser picture of the new feeder drop station building code for PAXLink when I found this construction that only an AI can do: http://junctioneer.net/openttd/long_ap_access_road.png 21:51:47 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:52:02 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 21:52:08 <Zuu> Hello Nite_Owl 21:52:18 <Nite_Owl> Hello Zuu 21:54:17 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@j104051.upc-j.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:54:46 <Belugas> mmmh 21:54:54 <Zuu> Hmm, building a half tile that becomes a slop and then remove it again does not restore the old state of the slope tile. 21:55:07 <Belugas> althougb i've not finished whay i should have, it's fucking time to fucking go home 21:55:13 <Rubidium> night Belugas, happy weekend! 21:55:22 <Belugas> you too Rubidium :) 21:55:32 <Belugas> nigh all 21:56:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host21-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:57:43 <Nite_Owl> later Belugas 21:57:52 <Wolf01> hello :D 21:57:57 <Zuu> Hmm, AIRoad can't tell me what road bits a single tile has so, there is no way I could restore the road bits on a slope as they where. 21:58:32 <Nite_Owl> Hello Wolf01 22:00:13 <Zuu> Though, I could check if the road stump at the other end of the tile is connected and chose to use RemoveRoad or RemoveRoadFull to not leave a half tile road stump. 22:01:37 *** zachanim1 [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 22:03:34 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:10 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:23:50 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:26:21 <Wolf01> orudge, you there? 22:27:09 *** jpx_ [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:32 <Rubidium> Wolf01: I think you can better ask the question than that meta question :) 22:29:43 <Wolf01> if I make 2 donations by paypal, one for the forums and one for OpenTTD is sufficient to specify the description? 22:30:20 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:31:46 <Zuu> Wolf01: When I did that, I used the paypal button on OpenTTD.org to get the OpenTTD donation correct. 22:32:34 <Zuu> It may be possible to write OpenTTD in the tt-forums paypal and have orudge read it and make a note. I don't know since I'm not orudge. 22:33:24 *** jpx_ [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:33:42 <planetmaker> IIRC it's even fine, if you drop him a note that it should be splitted 50:50 between forums and OpenTTD. At least he told me once, if my memory serves me well 22:34:09 <Wolf01> since both donations go to orudge I think the only way is to specify the description, for OTTD it's not a problem, for the forums I specified "tt-forums.net", I think it should be ok 22:34:09 <Rubidium> yeah, it's better to send it in one donation; less money goes to paypal 22:35:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe40a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:26 <Zuu> Rubidium: Okay, shall do that next time. 22:43:49 <OwenS> I so wish C++ templates generated sane errors 22:44:34 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:58 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 22:51:43 *** snorre [~snorre@c692BBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:53:12 *** jpx [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:55:28 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 22:56:28 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:57:49 *** jpx_ [jpx_@e83-245-150-15.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:57 <SmatZ> OwenS: try compiling this http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/testcase.cpp 23:03:52 <OwenS> SmatZ: lool 23:13:04 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:25:44 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-68-32.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:26:31 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@139.158.88-79.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 23:28:24 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 23:29:21 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-68-32.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 23:29:41 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-68-32.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:30:08 <Zuu> Extreemly hilly maps are intresting to see what cool constructions your AI could come up with. :-) 23:31:12 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:24 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:38 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-68-32.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 23:32:53 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-77-86-68-32.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:40:54 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:46:16 <Zuu> poor AI, built an airport on water :-( 23:47:42 <planetmaker> :-( 23:49:43 <aber> :( 23:51:07 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:55 <Zuu> At least I could fix that bug :-)