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Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 01:21:06 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 01:25:15 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 01:26:06 <Mazur> Good morning. 01:27:11 <PeterT> Morning, Mazur 01:46:43 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@95.169.62.99] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55:45 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-4db1a9c1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 01:57:41 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:01:13 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0efea.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:05:37 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:12:08 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-174-117.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 02:19:13 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c912.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46:55 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:48:11 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 02:48:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 03:31:29 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:32:50 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:34:14 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:01:05 <Mazur> I have a station next to a sawmill, and it's producing goods, yet in the station I see no goods waiting. Do I need to transport it there from the adjacent sawmill? 04:02:50 <SirSquidness> Is the sawmill in the station's catchement area? ie, does the station say it provides goods? 04:03:01 <SirSquidness> and has something attempted to pick up goods from the statoin before? 04:04:09 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:05:57 <SpComb> Mazur: the station has to cover enough tiles from the sawmill, and you need to have a train that carries goods waiting at the station 04:06:43 <Mazur> Yes, I just built the train and set it going, and it's loading. 04:07:01 <Mazur> GThought I'd build the goods truck line if needed after. 04:07:30 <SpComb> (train or other vehicle) 04:12:03 <Mazur> B.t.w. I've set Primary production for the time being fundable like secondaries, I'm still too slow setting up the infrastructure to support them. They kept dying on me before I was ready. ;-) 04:12:54 <Mazur> When I'm more experienced I'll set it to prospecting again. 04:14:44 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 04:20:14 <Mazur> Made my first billion Euro. 04:20:18 <Mazur> :-) 04:22:34 <SirSquidness> good work :) 04:39:00 <Mazur> Hm. I've just set up passenger and goods delivery to a mall on the other end of a city, and the mall relocates. Do I have to relocate my bus and goods stop at make sure it's in range or will it resolve itself? 04:39:35 <Mazur> Neither location was in range of the train station. 04:44:15 <Mazur> Relocated it, anyway, joined a new lorry stop at the new location and disconnected/removed the old one. 04:44:30 <Mazur> Same with busstop. 04:45:01 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 05:23:43 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 05:37:47 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-150-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:44:36 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:49:08 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 05:55:49 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:10:49 *** Splex [~splex@n219079142042.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11:16 *** Splex [~splex@n219079142042.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 06:51:12 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:52:28 <Mazur> You know, when adding a dedicated HSL track along existing routes, it helps using signs to remind yourself which pair is HSL and which are for stopping trains. 06:52:59 <Mazur> I discovered I join my planned HSL to a local coal run. 06:53:03 <Mazur> :-) 06:54:08 <Mazur> Had to redo a whole swath of tracks to clean it up. 07:08:21 *** Exception [~Rockstar@124-170-85-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:15:47 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@cpc1-oxfd18-2-0-cust689.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:17:45 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has joined #openttd 07:19:44 <dih> hello :-) 07:21:30 *** Exception [~Rockstar@124-170-85-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 07:30:14 <Zephyris> Morning all! 07:30:36 <Rubidium> morning y'all 07:30:42 <Zephyris> Feeling the slashdot effect? 07:31:06 <Jupix> oh, they posted it 07:31:15 <Jupix> too bad it wasn't my post 07:31:55 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 07:33:59 <SirSquidness> \o/ Merry delayed 1.0.0 07:34:18 <Rubidium> Zephyris: it's still less than when the day beta1 was released and the day after Christmas 07:35:54 <Zephyris> Interesting! A little investigation into the gaming habits of slashdotters... 07:37:53 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e0add03.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 07:38:43 <planetmaker> morning 07:38:50 <dih> hey ho sir 07:39:04 <planetmaker> a dih! Moin :-) 07:39:50 <dih> :-) 07:41:10 <planetmaker> [09:34] <Rubidium> Zephyris: it's still less than when the day beta1 was released and the day after Christmas <-- you speak of total download count? Interesting... 07:41:28 <Rubidium> planetmaker: no, of server bandwidth 07:41:36 <Rubidium> LW server bandwidth 07:41:38 <planetmaker> ah, ok 07:41:58 <Rubidium> although, the binary download is lower too 07:42:09 <planetmaker> including mirrors? 07:42:57 <Rubidium> the LW server doesn't serve the binaries anymore, so yes... it includes the mirrors 07:44:05 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0be718.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:44:05 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 07:44:23 <planetmaker> hm... interesting, why does beta get more downloads than the stable? 07:45:10 <DDR> Better. :) 07:45:43 <DDR> It's pretty stable itself, it adds great new features. There is really not any disincentive to use it. 07:45:56 <DDR> *to not use it. 07:46:48 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.11.240] has quit [] 07:46:51 <DDR> Also, I believe the beta is the community standard. Check multiplayer server versions. :) 07:47:27 <planetmaker> DDR: the servers run the stable release mostly. And the betas are not much more than re-labeled nightlies. So I could play those... 07:48:15 <Rubidium> oh, the stats from around Christmas a skewed due to 0.7.5 too :) 07:48:27 <dih> planetmaker: there's just a difference between what you know and what a bunch of people believe to know ^^ 07:48:39 <DDR> Hm, it's been a few weeks since I looked into the situation... and downloaded the beta. You know what? 07:48:40 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 07:48:42 <DDR> Ignore me. 07:48:59 <Rubidium> there's almost as many 1.0.0 downloads in a little less than 1 week as 1.0.0-beta1 in those two weeks 07:49:08 <planetmaker> DDR: a few weeks ago stable 1.0 release servers just could not have been running... 07:49:38 <planetmaker> ok, that's more to what I expected, Rubidium :-) 07:49:54 <DDR> Well... I often forget what I had for breakfast, it's probable I've just forgotten what I'm talking about. 07:50:29 <DDR> ***Not a reliable source.*** 07:50:39 <Rubidium> [Citation needed] 07:50:51 <peter1138> fff 07:52:56 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:53:11 <Rubidium> nevertheless, the peak back than is higher than it's now although the bananas download count is significantly higher than during beta1 07:53:43 <Noldo> more new users? 07:54:03 <Rubidium> in 5 days: 200 GiB via LW and 400 GiB via the mirrors 07:54:18 <planetmaker> he 07:54:48 <Rubidium> that's about the bandwidth of April in 2009 07:55:31 * peter1138 waits for everything to swap back in so that it can quit 07:55:35 <lennard> oh, that reminds me, I need to tell you guys some moments in time when the utwente mirror will be unavailable 07:56:17 <lennard> I'll need to look it up, but its over a week from now :) 07:57:42 <Rubidium> lennard: work on the power units? 07:57:52 <lennard> yes 07:57:57 <peter1138> ah, quitting monodevelop drops swap from 3GB used to 0.5GB 07:58:02 <lennard> who told you? :P 07:58:02 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@89.193.117.182] has joined #openttd 07:58:06 <Rubidium> then it's the 16th and 23rd from 15:00-00:00 UTC 07:58:18 <Rubidium> lennard: http://www.utwente.nl/icts/onderhoudstoring/ 07:58:28 <lennard> hmm, true 07:59:17 <lennard> oh my they actually made an app 07:59:20 <lennard> how silly of them 07:59:21 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@89.193.117.182] has quit [] 08:01:46 <lennard> well, at any rate, we plan to have the mirror simply be offline during the maintenance (real time down is from 06:00-09:00 UTC in both cases) 08:01:54 <lennard> err 08:02:01 <lennard> well, at any rate, we plan to have the mirror simply be offline during the maintenance (real time down is from 18:00-21:00 UTC in both cases) 08:04:20 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@cpc1-oxfd18-2-0-cust689.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:06:08 <Forked> wee.. you made slashdot 08:22:16 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 08:22:37 <Rubidium> openttd-1.0.0/src/newgrf_engine.cpp:4133567: error: expected unqualified-id 08:22:50 <Rubidium> somehow I think we don't have that many lines :) 08:24:47 <dih> :-P 08:24:54 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has joined #openttd 08:24:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 08:25:13 <planetmaker> hehe 08:32:24 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@191.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 08:32:32 <Terkhen> good morning 08:40:01 <peter1138> what produced that error? 08:40:16 <Rubidium> peter1138: some sparc gcc 08:48:11 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 08:51:13 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-244-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:54:42 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.127] has joined #openttd 08:57:53 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:08:20 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:17:21 <TrueBrain> we are receiving 6 visits per minute from slashdot .. can anyone go give slashdot a hug? :) 09:18:16 <__ln__> only 6? 09:18:35 <TrueBrain> on average, yes 09:19:10 <TrueBrain> (assuming all have their referer active) 09:21:05 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBA43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:23 <TrueBrain> @calc 5691 / 6934 09:21:23 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.820738390539 09:22:41 <blathijs> TrueBrain: 1.0 release was featured on /.? 09:22:47 <TrueBrain> yup 09:23:41 *** Mrruben5 [~ruben@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:23:42 <blathijs> :-) 09:23:46 <TrueBrain> normally we handle 6 to 7 hits per second. Since 1.0.0 this is between 12 and 16 hits per second. Currently, we are at a rate of 25 hits per second :p 09:24:12 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: are usually much quieter anyway 09:24:24 <TrueBrain> what is? 09:24:30 <Rubidium> nights 09:24:43 <Rubidium> why did I not write that? 09:24:45 <TrueBrain> you really make no sense, I think you typed a partly sentence 09:25:37 <Rubidium> anyhow, 30-35 downloads an hour from 2-5 UTC, 130-140 downloads from 15-19 UTC 09:26:13 <Rubidium> average hourly downloads is 90 09:26:55 <Rubidium> so given the download stats and your averages we're at roughly twice the normal amount 09:27:13 <TrueBrain> euh, make that '25' more like '40' ;) 09:28:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: let me put the stats differently: yesterday in the 08:00-08:59 range, there were 70k hits. Today that number was 173k 09:28:43 <TrueBrain> @calc 173075 / 68298 09:28:43 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 2.53411520103 09:28:49 <TrueBrain> 153% increase :) 09:29:40 <TrueBrain> random other stats: Python (Django), serving main website appears relative stable. php-cgi, serving bugs/wiki are having a hard time handling it .. go figure 09:32:58 <blathijs> TrueBrain: The PHP code needs to reinitialize one every request, which probably makes it more heavy 09:33:41 <TrueBrain> which makes PHP suck ass, yes :) 09:36:40 <dih> TrueBrain: got an accelerator? 09:37:29 <TrueBrain> lol: no; and wouldn't help :) 09:37:59 <dih> why would it not help? 09:39:57 <TrueBrain> because the time is not in the compiling. It is in handling and replying to the request, at this rate 09:40:44 <blathijs> and setting up database connections, and processing configuration, etc. I guess 09:41:11 <TrueBrain> yup 09:41:25 <TrueBrain> Django for example has a MySQL connection ready at all times, mmmuuucccchhhhh faster :) 09:41:41 <dih> yeah, that must be nice :-) 09:42:57 <dih> my php does support persistent connections 09:43:23 <dih> ^^ 09:44:21 <TrueBrain> unless you run your php stuff as a stand-alone app, it never really is 09:45:13 <blathijs> TrueBrain: With php-cgi or mod_cgi, the mysql_pconnect would save some trouble of connection setup though 09:45:37 <TrueBrain> blathijs: in return, killing your MySQL because of dangling connections ;) 09:47:29 <dih> i dont use php-cgi but a php module 09:53:41 <TrueBrain> hmm .. funny: the downloads amount went up with the same rate as the hits per second went up, meaning that our normal visitors download as often the game as slashdotters do :p 09:54:08 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 09:57:41 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 09:59:17 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.11.240] has joined #openttd 10:03:35 <Ammler> traffic of DevZone also doubled since April 1st 10:04:31 <Ammler> from 400 to 900 visits 10:06:01 <TrueBrain> to be expected, I guess 10:06:07 <Ammler> hmm, that is bundles., dev. has also doubled from 500 to 1000, silly, 10:06:27 <TrueBrain> strangly though, this channel hasnt been more empty :p 10:07:59 <Ammler> he someone commented that you should make a installier to include the addons ;-) 10:08:45 <Ammler> oh well, bon appetit :-) 10:12:42 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8721.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:23:02 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:23:52 <Sacro> ooh slashdot 10:24:19 <PeterT> oh Sacro 10:25:00 <dih> oh... fuck! 10:30:59 <Sacro> ? 10:34:59 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:50 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 10:40:12 *** OwenS [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:48:40 *** Aylomen [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.158.85.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:40 <ragzid> any idea why I can't build Junk Yard in Scenario editor? i always says "...site unsuitable". but generating "many random industries" creates it... 10:49:44 <ragzid> (using FIRS) 10:50:21 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.27.246] has joined #openttd 10:54:52 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8721.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: <Nachricht>] 10:54:53 <peter1138> speak to george i guess 10:55:01 <planetmaker> rather to andythenorth 10:55:51 <planetmaker> Dunno the pacement rules for those, though. SE should be SE. Maybe it requires vicinity of towns or alike 10:56:13 <glx> or special landscape layout 10:56:28 <planetmaker> seems even more likely. 11:02:19 <ragzid> hmm, now I figured that out... it must be built near the town and enough flat space around 11:05:31 <dih> and what is "enough flat space" ? 11:05:36 <dih> can you define that too? 11:06:13 *** Biolunar_ is now known as Biolunar 11:06:20 *** svip [~svip@prussia.theinfosphere.org] has joined #openttd 11:06:33 <ragzid> maybe 1 or 2 square around 11:06:59 <dih> TrueBrain: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_dbd.html 11:07:21 <Rubidium> dih: ain't no lighty 11:07:29 <dih> oh - ohhh ok 11:07:30 <TrueBrain> who still uses apache :s 11:07:44 <svip> :P Many. 11:07:51 <svip> In fact, most of all webservers. 11:08:05 <TrueBrain> number is reducing fast :) 11:08:19 <svip> :P Well, I just slapped a decent cache engine over Apache. 11:08:27 <svip> So now its slowish hog ain't present anymore. 11:08:42 <dih> svip - define 'decent cache engine' 11:08:46 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:53 <svip> dih: Varnish. 11:09:10 <TrueBrain> Apache is just 55% of all httpds (netcraft, March 2010) 11:10:04 <TrueBrain> 7% is nginx (what we use too) 11:10:25 <svip> I only use Apache out of habit. 11:10:34 <svip> A decent setup will still get you performance, however. 11:10:36 <TrueBrain> stop doing that ;) 11:10:44 <svip> Well, it works. :P 11:10:51 <svip> I have not yet seen a reason to switch. 11:10:58 <TrueBrain> a bike works too. But I dislike driving 100km with it 11:11:13 <svip> Well, I ain't riding my Apache server. 11:11:17 <dih> TrueBrain: can you give me some numbers from the sql server? i.e. statements / second? 11:11:20 <svip> Besides, I isntalled Varnish. 11:11:25 <svip> Which is like installing rockets on your bike. 11:11:33 <svip> installed* 11:11:49 <TrueBrain> svip: so maybe it now is fast, but an even higher chance to miss a turn ;) 11:11:50 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 11:11:59 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:12:05 <svip> :P 11:12:19 <svip> It actually performs without a hitch. 11:12:26 <TrueBrain> ;) 11:12:33 <TrueBrain> Apache can work very nice and stuff :) 11:12:42 <TrueBrain> just ... there are faster things out there :) 11:12:44 <svip> I meant Varnish. 11:13:28 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:24 <svip> It reacts faster than Google's Analytics. :( 11:14:55 <TrueBrain> that aint that hard :) 11:15:04 <dih> you really think that is a good comparison? 11:15:11 <svip> No. 11:15:18 <svip> But I was using Google Analytics. 11:15:20 <dih> i mean, comparing your setup against google? :-P 11:15:21 <svip> And its speed was annoying me. 11:15:48 <TrueBrain> @calc 178211 / 3600 11:15:48 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 49.5030555556 11:15:59 <TrueBrain> 50 hits per second and stable ... I think this setup is working :) 11:16:16 <svip> :) 11:16:50 <TrueBrain> still 150% increase in normal traffic 11:17:17 <svip> Well, so far, we only get like... 200k hits a day. 11:17:21 <TrueBrain> our main server is running at 10 mbit/s .. still plenty to grow :) 11:18:09 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d9fa.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:39 <svip> :) 11:18:41 <TrueBrain> 55 GB to US (from 1st of April), 325 GB to the rest, for binaries.openttd.org 11:18:50 <TrueBrain> this game really isn't catching on in the US :p 11:19:01 <svip> What do Americans know? :P 11:19:47 <svip> o_O 11:19:50 <svip> I don't get webalizer. 11:19:57 <TrueBrain> 73k downloads of release files, of which 25% is most likely 1.0.0 release, so that is almost 20k installs in 6 days time :p 11:19:58 <svip> It only seems to update when it feels like it. 11:20:21 <svip> It just skipped the first three days of this month. 11:20:50 <TrueBrain> nah, I have 31k confirmed, so that number is on the low side ... 11:21:09 <svip> Yeah, my server isn't serving binary files. 11:21:15 <TrueBrain> strangely enough, 2% of the downloads yesterday was for 0.6.3 :s 11:21:15 <svip> It is just serving Futurama information for the people. 11:22:21 <svip> But where else will you find an article like this; http://theinfosphere.org/Dandy_Jim 11:22:25 <dih> we have about 500-600 'useful' statements / second to your sql server 11:22:50 <dih> s/your/our/ 11:23:23 <TrueBrain> since 2008-09-14, OpenTTD has been downloaded 1.2M times 11:23:34 <svip> Congratulations. :) 11:23:46 <TrueBrain> 1M releases, 0.13M nightlies 11:23:59 <TrueBrain> we still have a lot to grow :) 11:25:51 <svip> :P indeed. 11:25:59 <svip> And so do we hope to do. 11:26:03 <svip> When Futurama returns this summer. 11:26:45 <dih> and an average of 190 established connections at any given time (according to netstat) 11:27:24 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: 31916 1.0.0 downloads up to 05-04 23:59 UTC 11:30:24 <TrueBrain> atm, on average, 1 person downloads OpenTTD every 6 seconds :p 11:30:36 <TrueBrain> (excluding linux distros and stuff of course :p) 11:38:17 <OwenS> I find that its "only" 0.13M nightlies is unimpressive considering how often people redownload them :-( 11:38:57 <planetmaker> OwenS, I guess that doesn't count the source checkouts. 11:39:04 <OwenS> True 11:39:14 <OwenS> That would be hard considering the multitude of repositories 11:39:39 <ragzid> sync sv->git happens once a day? 11:40:00 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:40:08 <OwenS> ragzid: every commit 11:40:24 <ragzid> OwenS: thanks 11:41:45 <planetmaker> luckily :-) 11:45:42 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:48:49 <Rubidium> must say Varnish looks ingenious, but I fear it doesn't do much good. Much of the content it automatically generated (i.e. uncachable), uses cookies (i.e. uncachable) or is already cached 11:49:45 <peter1138> sounds "good" 11:54:01 <Mazur> You know, when you build a double one-way track for stopping trains, it really helps if you maake hte one way path signals on one track facing the opposite way. 11:54:46 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-150-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:08 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-204-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:00:06 <Mazur> Oh well, I thought it funny when I discovered the error. 12:00:07 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:01:56 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 12:02:15 *** ragzid is now known as ragzid|cooking 12:07:52 <OwenS> The Itanic continues to sink - MS is officially dropping Itanium from future Windows Server releases 12:09:14 <Rubidium> who cares, as long as OpenTTD compiles & runs on Itanium it's not lost yet 12:09:35 <ddfreyne> heh 12:09:35 <TrueBrain> Itanium was lost before it was released :p 12:14:03 <peter1138> OS X is lost? :) 12:17:08 <svip> What is Itanium and why should I care? 12:17:27 <FauxFaux> A cpu architecture even more insignificant than x86_32. 12:17:44 <svip> So I shouldn't care? 12:18:35 <peter1138> it was intel's original version of a 64 bit platform until amd's trumped it. 12:18:48 <blathijs> Rubidium: OpenTTD will still need an OS to run on, though :-) 12:18:50 <Noldo> what is wrong with it? 12:19:15 <Rubidium> blathijs: that's what's Debian for 12:19:44 <peter1138> Debian's new name: OpenTTDOS 12:20:19 <svip> Just make a LiveCD of a Linux distro which only runs OpenTTD. 12:20:28 <Rubidium> peter1138: shall we at the same time release a DOS version of OpenTTD called OpenTTDOS? 12:20:35 <peter1138> correct 12:20:40 <peter1138> infact 12:20:56 <peter1138> yes, just runfreedos 12:21:01 <blathijs> Rubidium: Ah, we compile on Debian / Itanium, not Windows / Itanium of course :-) 12:27:58 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 12:28:00 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:01 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:44 <KenjiE20> hm, OpenTTD 1.0.0 is on slashdot 12:46:12 <OwenS> And loads of people there are complaining about the old AI *facepalm* 12:46:24 <KenjiE20> it's slashdot 12:46:49 <OwenS> Thats true :p 12:47:25 <KenjiE20> they're only marginally better than youtube commenters 12:48:31 <OwenS> For Youtube, theres Feyntube.js, which replaces the inane drivel with Richard Feynman quotes 12:49:26 <KenjiE20> I just don't ever read them 12:49:35 <ddfreyne> slashdot? :) 12:50:08 <ddfreyne> i cannot help but feel that diagonal bridges/tunnels would make some constructions so much easierâŠÂ probably rather hard to write a patch for that, though 12:51:06 <KenjiE20> It's been proposed a couple times on TT-F 12:51:16 <OwenS> Its also very hard 12:51:57 <KenjiE20> it would be awesome though, to be able to built proper flyovers :) 12:52:15 <ddfreyne> yep 12:52:39 <OwenS> And if you're implementing it, you probably just rewrote the map array.. so why not implement lomo-style complex bridges? :P 12:53:04 <ddfreyne> lomo-style complex bridges? needs some explanation :) 12:53:20 <OwenS> Multiple elevation changes, corners, etc 12:53:35 <ddfreyne> oh, sounds fun 12:53:45 <ddfreyne> (that *would* be useful too :P) 12:53:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:03 * TrueBrain gives Ammler a hug 12:54:17 <Ammler> thanks :'-( 13:00:12 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:00:42 <TrueBrain> our httpd just reached 55 hits per second :p (was 35 3 hours ago) 13:01:02 <glx> north america woke up ;) 13:01:03 <Rubidium> oh noes... the server's 15 minute average load has breached 1 13:02:06 <TrueBrain> I really wonder if we wil survive this day without downtime ;) 13:02:23 <planetmaker> :-D 13:02:38 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Its Lighty isn't it? :p 13:03:10 <Rubidium> not exclusively 13:04:00 <OwenS> What is used for the static content then? 13:04:06 <Rubidium> offloading ~20 Mbps to mirrors... lovely 13:04:19 <Rubidium> OwenS: lighty behind nginx I think 13:04:30 <Rubidium> mirror distribution is python behind nginx 13:04:49 <Rubidium> svn over http is apache behind nginx 13:05:07 <OwenS> Using LightHTTPd for the static seems a little silly. As for mirror distribution, I'd be tempted to learn Perl and have it run in-httpd 13:05:55 <Rubidium> OwenS: the mirror distribution is a webserver written in python dedicated to mirroring 13:06:29 <TrueBrain> OwenS: it depends on what you request, but our front httpd is always nginx 13:06:36 <TrueBrain> and using Perl for httpd is stupid 13:06:38 <TrueBrain> there are more efficient ways 13:07:13 <ashb_> less stupid than using ruby(1.8) 13:07:27 <OwenS> ashb_: Python owns Ruby any day :p 13:07:34 <TrueBrain> in what universe? 13:07:55 <OwenS> BTW, did you see the formal proof someone created that Perl is unparsable? 13:07:56 <ashb_> depends on your metrics. in raw thruput ruby sucks huge donkey balls 13:08:30 <TrueBrain> for ruby, you need to be well aware of your software 13:08:31 <ashb_> OwenS: in a context-free-manner, sure. well known inside perl community 13:08:58 <OwenS> ashb_: Not just in a context-free manner. It is completely impossible to parse Perl 13:09:11 <ashb_> well it clearly isn't 13:09:26 <OwenS> ashb_: Why? 13:09:29 <ashb_> what is the defintion of 'parse' there? 13:09:43 <OwenS> ashb_: Compose a syntax tree from the code. Do not execute any of it. 13:10:08 <ashb_> okay if oyu mean parse only and never exec files then okay 13:10:14 <ashb_> s/files/any code at all/ 13:10:23 <OwenS> That is the definition of parse ;-) 13:10:39 <ashb_> not strictly. you can parse one file given the right context 13:10:47 <ashb_> the context involves executing some code :) 13:11:06 <OwenS> Parsing Perl is equivilant to solving the Halting Problem ;-) 13:11:09 <ddfreyne> in my experience lighttpd handles static files quite well, but Iâm not used to dealing with distribution on this scale 13:11:21 <TrueBrain> lighttpd does it fine 13:11:23 <TrueBrain> nginx does it better 13:11:24 <ashb_> OwenS: only bad perl ;) 13:11:26 <TrueBrain> Apache does it wrong 13:11:42 <ddfreyne> you canât parse perl unambiguously 13:11:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:46 <OwenS> ashb_: Quite common perl actually 13:11:47 <ashb_> and it stems down to bareword method call. 13:11:57 <ashb_> OwenS: thats my defn of bad ;) 13:12:09 <OwenS> nginx owns any httpd server for performance. It just needs better config files 13:12:13 <TrueBrain> ddfreyne: wrongly formulated. You can _always_ parse thing unambigiously. Just it doesn't have to be unambigiously :) 13:12:35 <Rubidium> OwenS: except its performance to "leak" memory 13:12:45 <TrueBrain> OwenS: nginx not 13:12:47 <TrueBrain> lighttpd ;) 13:12:52 <OwenS> Rubidium: Huh? Its lighthttpd which leaks 13:12:53 <TrueBrain> OwenS => Rubidium 13:12:54 <TrueBrain> ;) 13:13:04 <ashb_> i prefer the config of nginx to lighty 13:13:15 <TrueBrain> even under this load, nginx is using 10 MiB RAM :p 13:13:31 <OwenS> ashb_: I have no experience with lighty, but nginx config, while simple, is limited. For example, no nested ifs 13:14:00 <Rubidium> OwenS: you're parsing it incorrectly 13:14:05 <ashb_> not needed that yet. but lighty is harder to parse (as a user) at a glance 13:14:27 <TrueBrain> lighttpd 1.5 had a more sane configure, but .. it seems that is dead 13:14:47 <ashb_> nginx confused the crap out of me at first with its proxy_pass; 13:14:52 <ashb_> it stomps on Host: header 13:15:08 <TrueBrain> Cherokee is best in configure 13:15:10 <blathijs> TrueBrain: That's an interesting thing to say about an unreleased version :-) 13:15:11 <TrueBrain> it comes with a webadmin :) 13:15:29 <TrueBrain> blathijs: why? The part about it being dead? Or more sane configure? 13:15:31 <OwenS> I use nginx exclusively. Except for mailman, which is proxied to apache because mailman sucks balls and uses CGI 13:15:40 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Your use of the past tense in "had" :-) 13:15:58 <TrueBrain> blathijs: well, there was NO development on the 1.5, so I consider it dead, so past tense :) 13:16:23 <blathijs> TrueBrain: But did development really cease? It does have some features I want, so I was hoping they'd finally release sometime soon... 13:16:39 <TrueBrain> what I gathered last time, is that they considered it a brainfart 13:16:47 <TrueBrain> and they continued back on 1.4 13:16:54 <blathijs> hmkay.. 13:17:03 <TrueBrain> the are now so far apart ... I wouldn't hold my breath on a 1.5 release .. ever 13:17:17 <jordi> blathijs: have you seen the sparc issue? 13:17:28 <blathijs> jordi: Yeah, Rubidium also spotted it 13:17:31 <Rubidium> jordi: that's IMO a non-issue of OpenTTD 13:17:42 <Rubidium> jordi: just look closely at the line number 13:18:05 <Rubidium> jordi: newgrf_engine.cpp:4133567: error: expected unqualified-id 13:18:07 <ashb_> OwenS: seem the python mail project thiny? 13:18:16 <Rubidium> jordi: i.e. line number 4 million something 13:18:22 <OwenS> ashb_: no 13:18:27 <ashb_> sec 13:18:33 <ashb_> http://lamsonproject.org/ i think 13:19:02 <ashb_> i don't know any details about it other than 'it exists' 13:19:05 <blathijs> jordi: Do you have access to a sparc machine? I was thinking about mailing the sparc porters about this issue / to ask for access. 13:19:08 <jordi> Rubidium: so your editor can't seek to line 4133567? ha ha! 13:19:32 <OwenS> ashb_: I don't want a new mail server. I want a decent mailing list manager :p 13:19:37 <jordi> blathijs: I could ask for access, but I guess a mail to debian-sparc is best 13:19:50 <jordi> OwenS: dude, ngix + mailman for the win 13:19:59 <jordi> +n 13:20:02 <OwenS> jordi: mailman doesn't work with nginx to my knowledge 13:20:26 <OwenS> blathijs/jordi: Considered asking for access to OpenSolaris' dev machines? 13:20:31 <TrueBrain> mailman sucks. period. 13:21:17 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:25 <Rubidium> jordi: no, my editor doesn't have access to 4132377 lines that are not in that file 13:21:38 <jordi> OwenS: http://paste.debian.net/67662/ 13:21:42 <blathijs> OwenS: I'd rather try with a machine that runs Debian, since the build failed on Debian 13:22:14 <jordi> blathijs: some good hint would be to compare the GCC versions of the rc3 compile and this one 13:22:15 <OwenS> blathijs: Fair enough. Theres also GCC's compile farm, which is available to OSS projects 13:22:34 <jordi> that, or any tool that generates stiuff during the openttd build, etc. 13:23:06 <jordi> OwenS: if you're interested (and use Debian/Ubuntu), I can give you the package I'll uplooad to Debian eventually (the cgiwrapper) 13:23:37 <jordi> if you don't use Debian/Ubuntu, it's a trivial C file you can compile on your own 13:23:38 <OwenS> jordi: I'm not too bothered at the moment. Its nice to see one of those projects finally producing something viable though 13:23:39 <blathijs> jordi: Hmm, are older logs archived anywhere? Simply changing the version number in the url doesn't seem to work... 13:24:26 <jordi> https://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=&pkg=openttd 13:25:04 <jordi> OwenS: if you are, just ping me. the .deb has an example file for mailman. It's a 5 min job 13:25:07 <Rubidium> g++-4.4_4.4.3-5 vs g++-4.4_4.4.3-5 13:25:17 <jordi> yay 13:25:42 <OwenS> jordi: Now if only either Debian or Ubuntu would package a recent nginx version ;-) 13:25:52 *** ashb_ is now known as ashb 13:26:06 <Rubidium> the toolchains are the same between rc3 and stable; the .cpp (or its dependencies) hasn't changed since rc3 either 13:26:14 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:17 <jordi> 0.7.x is current stable, right? 13:26:19 <Rubidium> the only thing that's different is that assertions aren't disabled 13:26:32 <KenjiE20> jordi: it's the first thing in the topic 13:26:56 <jordi> KenjiE20: I am aware about OpenTTD 1.0.0 13:27:06 <jordi> however, *nginx* is at 0.7.x :) 13:27:16 <KenjiE20> ahhhh 13:27:23 <planetmaker> :-P 13:27:27 <KenjiE20> :D 13:27:29 <jordi> ;) 13:28:00 <jordi> OwenS: I mean, why do you *need* 0.8.x? 13:28:04 <OwenS> jordi: I think so. I really need to check and update 13:28:10 <blathijs> Rubidium: The build has been done a different machine, though, so that might a factor 13:28:21 <OwenS> jordi: Last I checked Ubuntu didn't even package nginx. I think i'm on an oldish 0.7, must recompile 13:28:22 <blathijs> I guess I'll mail debian-sparc for access later today 13:28:29 <Rubidium> blathijs: shoddy hardware :) 13:28:59 <jordi> blathijs: I don't think you'll be granted access, porter boxes are developer-only except a few ( 13:29:16 <jordi> (kfreebsd-* eg) 13:29:23 <jordi> but I can do the test build if you want 13:30:02 <jordi> OwenS: debian testing & unstable have the very latest stable, fwiw 13:30:31 <jordi> OwenS: and the same version is available from backports. 13:30:34 <blathijs> jordi: It wasn't a problem for the hurd porter's machine a while back 13:31:14 <jordi> yeah, hurd and kfreebsd have granted more open access than DSA-administered boxes 13:31:28 <OwenS> jordi: If only I ran Debian then ;-) 13:32:03 <jordi> OwenS: what do you use? 13:32:16 <OwenS> jordi: Ubuntu LTS 13:32:38 <jordi> ah, our small cousin. :P 13:32:41 <blathijs> jordi: Ah, right. 13:32:57 <jordi> blathijs: should I ask for the build-deps? 13:33:03 <Belugas> hello 13:33:20 <OwenS> Assuming its a SPARC issue, should it not show up on other SPARC boxen? 13:33:44 <jordi> I suspect this is something weird with that buildd 13:33:46 <Rubidium> I think it's just a fluke 13:33:57 <Rubidium> hi Belugas 13:34:18 * jordi tries to find out if #debian-sparc exists 13:34:23 <blathijs> jordi: Yeah, I guess so. I was considering compiling just this one file, but that probably only works properly after a full configure etc. 13:35:49 <Belugas> hello sir Rubidium 13:37:32 * jordi tries to find out who needs some nagging to see if 1.0.0 in Ubuntu 10.04 is possible 13:38:25 <Rubidium> would slashdot coverage "help" that cause? 13:38:39 <jordi> hheh, no uidea 13:38:50 <jordi> I've found the optimal target. Attack launching! 13:45:21 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 13:47:44 <jordi> it seems there's hope 13:47:50 * jordi does the necessary stuff 13:48:43 <dih> you do the necessary stuff for 'hope' ? 13:51:49 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 13:53:19 <OwenS> I should dig out my Qt FastCGI/SCGI library... 13:55:46 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:56:22 <OwenS> Gyah. Why does MSIE only support TLSv1.1 server name indication on Vista and higher?! :-( 13:59:43 <ddfreyne> whoa, weird, my loan was £1M but the max loan is only £500K⊠weird. 14:00:08 <Rubidium> you took over some AIs 14:01:00 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:38 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has joined #openttd 14:02:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 14:02:39 <ddfreyne> ah, right 14:03:37 *** glx is now known as Guest1506 14:03:37 *** glx_ is now known as glx 14:04:22 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:05:34 *** Guest1506 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:06:45 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:08:22 <Mazur> Man, I made some ugly weird shit trackwise. 14:08:28 <ddfreyne> any way to get a list of all depots? 14:09:04 <planetmaker> nope 14:09:23 <planetmaker> well.... yes. But you won't like the method :-P 14:09:38 <planetmaker> Scroll the map and not each depot on a piece of paper :-P 14:09:42 <planetmaker> *note 14:09:44 <Mazur> CLeaning it up is a heacache, too, since I don't want to stop the trains. 14:09:44 * ddfreyne is curious :) 14:09:47 <ddfreyne> hah 14:09:50 <Mazur> :-) 14:10:47 <dih> note the tile number, then you can also use the command 'scrollto' :-P 14:11:11 <ddfreyne> itâs a huge map 14:11:19 <ddfreyne> but even if it were a small one, I wouldnât enjoy it :) 14:11:33 <dih> i always remembered where my depots were 14:11:46 <dih> i could spot them just by looking at the track layout in the minimap 14:11:57 <OwenS> Plop signs on top of them? 14:12:38 * dih plops 14:13:41 <Ammler> or simply use only one depot 14:13:49 <Ammler> (service center) 14:14:16 <planetmaker> stopped trains can also be found in the train list. They have a blue bullet 14:15:43 * ddfreyne bought a competitor but thereâs lots of awful depots around the place 14:17:27 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has joined #openttd 14:17:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 14:18:13 <planetmaker> just get out the BIG dynamite 14:19:02 *** V453000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:15 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:19:27 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.127] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:19:39 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:46 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:21:09 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:21:40 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:23:04 *** V453000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:25:29 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:26:20 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has joined #openttd 14:26:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:28:52 <planetmaker> hm... The unowned industry colour issue desync - can that be happening in 1.0.0? 14:29:06 <Yexo> yes 14:29:06 <planetmaker> (or do I recall one of those commit messages just wrongly?) 14:30:17 <planetmaker> should it then always affect all people or a random amount? The latter, right? 14:30:20 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it can, it's just unlikely as it's been that way for years 14:30:36 <planetmaker> We just had 5/10 players desync. 14:30:46 <Yexo> planetmaker: that desync will only happen if an industry newgrf uses var 0x45 in a gui-callback 14:30:54 <planetmaker> No newgrf. Then not. 14:31:08 <planetmaker> right. Forgot that part of the commit message, Thx Yexo 14:31:34 *** Yexo [~Yexo@205-89-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:37 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has joined #openttd 14:31:40 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 14:31:57 *** Yexo [~Yexo@205-89-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 14:32:26 *** glx is now known as Guest1511 14:32:26 *** glx_ is now known as glx 14:34:09 <Rubidium> planetmaker: and you can talk to those people that desync? 14:34:55 <planetmaker> some probably 14:35:07 <planetmaker> what should I ask except the origin of their binary? 14:35:13 <Rubidium> their OS 14:35:25 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.127] has joined #openttd 14:35:57 <planetmaker> ok 14:36:19 *** Guest1511 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:10 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has joined #openttd 14:37:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 14:40:34 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:30 <planetmaker> Rubidium, those two I could get hold of: both from your website, one Ubuntu 9.10 and Windows7 64bit. 14:43:25 *** rait [~rait@82.131.24.198.cable.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:43:43 <planetmaker> the ubuntu one is 32bit OS 14:44:14 <Rubidium> odd; then I don't really have a clue :( 14:44:59 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:06 <planetmaker> :-( 14:50:04 <Rubidium> I'm still a bit flabbergasted that it works for basically a year without desyncs and now the show up for you (and seemingly you alone) 14:55:24 <planetmaker> I have to admit that it may look suspicious :-) 14:56:05 <Ammler> well, it is patched with smatz log patch 14:56:09 <planetmaker> But from - not only the chat I had right now with those two players - many people seem not aware that it is a problem: they rather attribute it to faulty connection and so on 14:56:56 <planetmaker> and if (other) admins don't monitor a game actively, such desyncs will pass by unnoticed. 14:57:04 <planetmaker> I know, weak arguments. 14:57:30 <planetmaker> Interestingly I haven't seen one on our main server, the PublicServer. 14:57:34 <Ammler> but true, the other busy servers are the goal server, which are quite much patched 14:57:42 <Ammler> so they wouldn't report such desyncs 14:57:47 <planetmaker> they must not report ;-) 14:57:51 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 14:58:48 <dih> ps too is patched, is it not? 14:58:59 <planetmaker> with a logging patch. 14:59:05 <OwenS> planetmaker: Which server did this occur on then? 14:59:14 <planetmaker> OwenS, our 1.0.0 server 14:59:28 <OwenS> Aah 15:01:15 <planetmaker> hm... having the stable server run in desync mode would probably be pretty bad on the machine ;-) 15:01:47 <Rubidium> planetmaker: -ddesnyc=2 shouldn't be that hard on the server 15:02:05 *** rait [~rait@82.131.24.198.cable.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4002, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-02-22 08:48:07 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:02:18 <planetmaker> does that help, if the clients are non-desync clients? Does it work then at all? 15:02:50 <Rubidium> however, it's best to have some savegame to load once you've started a game with -ddesync=2 15:03:45 <planetmaker> you mean to load a game and keep that available? 15:03:52 <Rubidium> planetmaker: what it does is log all commands and the (game) time including when people join. That way one should be able to recreate the exact steps to reproduce it 15:04:58 *** jonty-comp is now known as jonty-comp` 15:05:19 <planetmaker> ok... so we re-compile the stable server with desync-debug enabled and set the desync debug level to 2 15:05:30 <planetmaker> And keep especially the savegame which was initially loaded 15:05:33 <Rubidium> no, not recompile 15:05:38 *** jonty-comp` is now known as jonty-comp^ 15:05:43 <Rubidium> just run openttd with -ddesync=2 15:05:48 <planetmaker> oh, not? ok 15:05:52 <Rubidium> just the binary you're running now 15:05:53 <planetmaker> even easier 15:05:57 <Yexo> or do "debug_level desync=2" in the console 15:06:12 <Yexo> then save and load the game 15:06:27 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 15:06:31 <Rubidium> yeah, especially the loading is needed 15:06:47 <planetmaker> yup, I see that 15:06:51 <Rubidium> because from then it becomes "reproducable" 15:07:44 <planetmaker> yep 15:09:03 <planetmaker> done 15:09:32 <planetmaker> :-O 22 players... :-) So chances are there 15:12:36 <planetmaker> hm... what would be the output file for the command log? 15:12:54 <Yexo> stderr, same as with other debug output 15:13:01 <Yexo> or maybe stdout, not sure 15:13:14 <planetmaker> hm, ok, then I need to tee autopilot's output 15:13:26 <dih> mkfifo for stdin stdout and stderr and use redirections ;-) 15:13:30 <dih> :-D 15:13:32 <dih> hihi 15:13:34 <Rubidium> planetmaker: autosave/commands.txt or so gets the autoput 15:15:04 <Rubidium> what did you do!?! :( 15:15:43 <planetmaker> what I did? I restarted the server so that autopilot's talking is piped into a file 15:15:45 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has joined #openttd 15:15:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:17:05 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.171] has joined #openttd 15:18:59 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:29:08 <jordi> blathijs: ping? 15:29:09 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has joined #openttd 15:29:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 15:29:17 <blathijs> jordi: pong 15:30:00 <jordi> blathijs: I need a diff between 0.7.5-1 and 1.0.0-1 of the Debian changes 15:30:08 <jordi> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openttd/+bug/556593 15:31:04 <blathijs> jordi: For review, I guess? 15:31:34 <jordi> for them to review 15:31:45 <jordi> ie, I need to attach that to the bug report 15:31:52 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:32:02 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.11.240] has quit [] 15:32:09 <blathijs> jordi: I'll have a look 15:32:21 <jordi> probably a diff of changelog.txt too 15:33:06 <blathijs> e.g., upstream changelog? 15:33:24 <jordi> yes 15:33:40 <Aylomen> wow....didn't think that city-builder is such a stress game :D 15:33:43 <jordi> after that I can request sync to Debian 15:33:53 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 15:38:49 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42:35 <blathijs> jordi: I'll attach the files to the report 15:43:03 <blathijs> I tried using debdiff, but I can't tell it to just list changes to debian/, so I'm just using the git diff instead (which should be fine, of course) 15:43:27 *** zombie_monkey [~krum@77.77.32.200] has joined #openttd 15:43:49 <jordi> git diff is what I was trying to get 15:43:54 <jordi> but I was getting upstream stuff too 15:44:22 <zombie_monkey> Hi, I rummaged through the wiki and manual, but I'm still not quite sure about one or two basic game mechanics, is this an appropriate place to ask? 15:45:02 <Mazur> Seems to be, I asked all my stoopid newbie stuff here and got polite answers. 15:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> ... we're definitely too good to people :p 15:46:06 <blathijs> jordi: Yeah, I used "git diff debian/0.7.5-1 debian/1.0.0-1 debian" now (the last "debian" is a pathname) 15:46:13 <Mazur> Lots of my network still looks like it was designed by a deranged lunatic with a picasso complex while having the fits. 15:47:25 <Sacro> that's how i design 15:47:41 <Mazur> I'm cleaning it up, though. 15:49:04 <Mazur> Just now unravelled a nightmare at a city, cleaning out 4 bridges and 3 tunnels. 15:50:10 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:50:23 <zombie_monkey> well the thing is: I can get info on what a square accepts, but does a station have to have the whole of, say, an iron ore mine in its coverage area, to have access to the whole production? 15:50:50 <OwenS> zombie_monkey: No 15:51:30 <zombie_monkey> so I can have just one square of a coal mine but all of the production of the mine will still be accessible to trains form that station? 15:51:43 <OwenS> yes 15:52:01 <zombie_monkey> great, thanks 15:52:47 <zombie_monkey> I was just wondering because individual squares of production facilities have individual accepts 15:56:09 <blathijs> jordi: Done 15:56:15 <blathijs> jordi: Anything else? :-) 15:56:29 *** OwenSX-28AC [~os@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:56:48 *** OwenS is now known as Guest1524 15:56:48 *** OwenSX-28AC is now known as OwenS 15:57:00 *** Guest1524 [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 15:57:58 <jordi> blathijs: no,I just subscribed ubuntu-release 15:58:05 <jordi> and now will ask for seconds 15:58:21 <blathijs> seconds? 16:01:04 <jordi> core ubuntu people to say "this looks ok" 16:01:14 <jordi> I just sent email 16:01:18 <jordi> we'll see tomorrow 16:01:30 <jordi> the biggest issue is the need to import many new packages 16:01:50 <blathijs> Ah, right :-) 16:10:49 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@8.98.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 16:13:11 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has joined #openttd 16:13:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:16:12 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 16:16:29 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:19:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:20:10 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-23-42-146.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:27:18 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has joined #openttd 16:27:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 16:30:14 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:36:25 <Rubidium> planetmaker: still no desync :( 16:36:31 *** jonty-comp^ is now known as jonty-comp 16:36:53 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:57 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:39:26 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@8.98.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 16:42:31 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa5e3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:02 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:56:41 *** Beklugas [~belugas@96.243.16.138] has joined #openttd 16:59:12 *** Beklugas [~belugas@96.243.16.138] has quit [] 16:59:17 *** Beklugas [~belugas@96.243.16.138] has joined #openttd 16:59:52 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:01:07 *** Beklugas is now known as Belugas 17:04:57 <planetmaker> I guess we'll have to wait. Sorry... If I could force it, I'd do it ;-) 17:05:03 <planetmaker> But then it wouldn't be required. 17:05:57 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:06:19 *** enr1x [~kiike@77.229.85.144] has joined #openttd 17:06:26 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.127] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:02 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has joined #openttd 17:17:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:19:22 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-23-42-146.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 17:20:48 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 17:32:53 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@191.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:10 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:32 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 17:46:10 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19568 /trunk/src/lang/ (12 files): (log message trimmed) 17:46:10 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:10 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 15 changes by mfans 17:46:10 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 13 changes by josesun 17:46:10 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: croatian - 1 changes by VoyagerOne 17:46:12 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: danish - 12 changes by silentStatic 17:46:12 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: dutch - 13 changes by habell 17:50:33 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has joined #openttd 17:50:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 17:53:44 *** yuriks [~yuriks@189.58.192.246.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 17:56:02 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:24 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ptr] 18:02:47 *** Mrruben5 [~ruben@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 18:08:29 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:25 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1a9c1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 18:11:19 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1a9c1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:13:48 *** larsemil [~h09emios@maggie.du.se] has joined #openttd 18:14:12 <larsemil> So. my openttd drains 100% cpu all the itme. what could be the cause. using version 1.0 with latest nightly open gfx 18:14:29 <Rubidium> larsemil: and you're using Ubuntu, right? 18:14:49 <larsemil> Rubidium: yes. :) 18:15:14 <Rubidium> then read known-bugs.txt, the part about CPU usage and such 18:15:15 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@154.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 18:15:34 <larsemil> Rubidium: ok thanks 18:18:00 <larsemil> Rubidium: where do i find it? 18:18:38 <larsemil> found it 18:18:46 <Rubidium> larsemil: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/tip/known-bugs.txt 18:19:07 <Rubidium> although also somewhere in /usr/share/docs or so on Ubuntu 18:20:59 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:21:10 <larsemil> yeah 18:29:09 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:34:15 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:35:46 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@8.98.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:57 <yuriks> what is the correct sign formation to use on a triangle intersection? 18:40:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yuriks: one for each rail segment. 18:44:25 <yuriks> ? 18:44:29 <yuriks> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1990844/2010-04/triangle.png I mean like this 18:44:47 <yuriks> normal signalers seem to create deadlocks sometimes 18:47:41 <SmatZ> yorick? 18:47:50 <PeterT> Yorick is not ehre 18:47:52 <PeterT> *here 18:48:07 <SmatZ> PeterT: yuriks looks suspicious :) 18:48:23 <PeterT> I thought the same thing :-) 18:48:28 <Rubidium> planetmaker: why is waiting for a desync so boring? 18:48:41 <PeterT> but yuriks has a different host name 18:48:44 <SmatZ> :) 18:48:47 <PeterT> Yorick is .nl 18:48:54 *** V453000 is now known as Guest1536 18:48:59 <yuriks> ? 18:50:18 <SmatZ> yuriks: probably nobody understands your question 18:50:30 <Yexo> yuriks: if you have 2 trains on those tracks, and they share only one part of that rails, then you put an exit signal on that piece of track and entry-signals on the other two 18:50:46 <Eddi|zuHause> yuriks: if you use path signals (second one from the right/fifth from the left) it should be easier to get deadlock-free 18:51:15 <SmatZ> ok, it is just me who didn't understand it :) 18:51:26 <Yexo> if you want to use path signals, put a path signal where I said entry-signal and don't put any signal where I said exit signal 18:52:30 *** V453000 [~V453000@ip147.anetliberec.cz] has joined #openttd 18:53:50 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:56:22 <ragzid|cooking> imho is better to use double-track if you have enough money 18:57:15 * ragzid|cooking is no longer cooking 18:57:20 *** ragzid|cooking is now known as ragzid 18:58:40 *** snaqo [~ugah@189.122.10.184] has joined #openttd 18:59:01 <snaqo> hello. anybody having sound problems on linux ? 18:59:18 <Rubidium> snaqo: by Linux you mean Ubuntu, right? 18:59:19 <PeterT> known-bugs.txt 18:59:41 <__ln__> Rubidium: are there others? 18:59:42 <PeterT> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/2316f2902827/known-bugs.txt#l141 18:59:51 <Rubidium> and by problems you mean that there is sound but that it's crackling or interrupted, right? 18:59:56 <Muxy> Hop Pierrot Gourmand 19:00:07 <Muxy> Hello TTD Gamers/devs/... 19:00:13 <__ln__> everyone is having sound trouble on linux, thanks to pulseaudio. 19:00:38 <Muxy> PeterT: The Goulp Server Side Patch is ready on tt-forums 19:00:41 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-94-172.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:49 <PeterT> Thanks a bunch! 19:01:00 <Muxy> it will cost you a big-mac 19:01:29 <Muxy> on your next trip to europe 19:01:31 * PeterT gives Muxy a ticket to see a concert of your choosing 19:01:38 <PeterT> Muxy: I'm going to Spain in April 19:02:00 <Muxy> of my choice ? 19:02:11 <PeterT> yes 19:02:17 <Muxy> GreenDay, Muse... 19:02:23 <__ln__> PeterT: it is April already 19:02:35 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-79-112.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:02:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:02:36 <PeterT> *April Vacation, then 19:02:42 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-23-42-146.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:02:43 <snaqo> i read that. but it's not only about cpu usage: no sounds play at all 19:02:59 <snaqo> songs seem to last 0 seconds, they keep switching 19:03:04 <snaqo> anybody having anything similar? 19:03:17 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: shouldn't "april vacations" usually be the week before or after easter? 19:03:27 <ragzid> snaqo: missing timidity? 19:03:28 <snaqo> Rubidium: ubuntu 64 bits, yes 19:03:29 <__ln__> PeterT: ¿adónde vas a viajar? 19:03:35 <Eddi|zuHause> at least that's how it works here... 19:03:35 <PeterT> Not in America, aparently 19:03:53 <Yexo> snaqo: do you actually have a music set? 19:03:54 <PeterT> __ln__: Voy a Madrid, Morroco 19:04:02 <PeterT> y muchos ciudades 19:04:10 <snaqo> yes. i have the original and i downloaded OpenSFX/MSX 19:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and in may the vacation is around pentecoste (is that the name?) 19:04:15 <PeterT> __ln__: Solo ingles! 19:04:16 <snaqo> all work the same 19:04:53 <snaqo> heh. i installed 'timidity' and it's working now 19:05:00 <Rubidium> snaqo: in the game options window, what does it say for sound and music set? 19:05:27 <snaqo> its working now. why isn't this package a dependency of the .deb ? 19:05:44 <snaqo> timidity (optional, for playing the music) 19:05:44 <snaqo> hehehe 19:05:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know about your geography, but in mine, Morocco is not in Spain 19:05:56 <Rubidium> snaqo: because it isn't required to run OpenTTD 19:06:12 <Rubidium> and it is a "suggests" dependency of OpenTTD 19:06:39 <snaqo> yeah.. its a trade.. its not 'dependent' but it is required if you want the original experience 19:06:53 <snaqo> some users may think it's just not working 19:07:38 <snaqo> well.. thanks a lot :) good work 19:09:45 <__ln__> PeterT: ¿has estado en España antes? 19:11:12 <yuriks> Eddi|zuHause, Yexo: I used combo-signals on all 3 entrances/exists and it seems to have worked... for now 19:11:39 <Yexo> yuriks: that isn't foolproof, it'll deadlock again at some time 19:11:52 <yuriks> hmm 19:14:27 <PeterT> __ln__: no 19:14:33 <yuriks> when you say 'use two tracks', do you mean two one way tracks? 19:14:49 <PeterT> Yes 19:18:29 <zombie_monkey> you can't switch transport methods, it seems 19:18:50 <zombie_monkey> like, have something transported partly by tran, partly by truck 19:19:16 <zombie_monkey> stations accept certain goods and supply certain goods and that's that? 19:19:28 <Yexo> use transfer orders 19:19:42 <Yexo> see http://wiki.openttd.org/Transfer 19:23:26 *** snaqo [~ugah@189.122.10.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:12 <TrueBrain> tsss, the slashdot effect is already over :( 19:30:33 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:30:46 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 19:31:30 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: yeah, it feel from the frontpage 19:31:34 <Rubidium> *fell 19:34:24 <andythenorth> Hah. "Conclusive proof" that OpenTTD is not a train game :P 19:34:37 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenTTD 19:34:49 <andythenorth> Apparently it's an "Urban planning and simulation game" 19:34:59 <andythenorth> I had better start on a town set :P 19:36:48 <andythenorth> That is google result number 3 for "OpenTTD" 19:37:37 <PeterT> Not for me 19:37:45 <PeterT> First is openttd.org 19:37:53 <PeterT> then www.openttd.org/download-stable 19:37:58 <PeterT> then en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenTTD 19:38:12 <ragzid> ~ number 3? :) 19:38:16 <zombie_monkey> Yexo: thanks 19:38:47 <zombie_monkey> I used to play TT a long itme ago, and I had heard of OpenTTD a lot lately, probably because it was nearing 1.0.0 19:38:50 <TrueBrain> that is the 3rd in my book ... 19:38:58 *** V453000 [~V453000@ip147.anetliberec.cz] has left #openttd [] 19:39:09 <Yexo> counting to 3 is apparently difficult for PeterT :p 19:39:14 <TrueBrain> clearly 19:39:25 <TrueBrain> lets teach him 19:39:32 <andythenorth> Ek do teen 19:39:32 <TrueBrain> PeterT: first you have number 1, that is the first, the one on top 19:39:36 <TrueBrain> then comes 2, the one below that, the second 19:39:47 <TrueBrain> then, yes, then, comes 3, the third, the one below the second, and two below the top 19:39:49 <TrueBrain> 1, 2, 3 19:39:50 <TrueBrain> see? 19:39:52 * andythenorth reads slashdot comments 19:40:08 <andythenorth> a habit I stopped a few years ago as a waste of life 19:40:26 <TrueBrain> in general it does not contribute to the general health, reading /. comments ;) 19:43:17 <Hirundo> PeterT: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071853/quotes?qt0470587 19:43:29 *** Aylomen [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.158.85.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 19:43:39 <PeterT> TrueBrain: :-P 19:43:42 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:42 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1540 19:43:42 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:43:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-54-82.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:44:21 <Progman> http://www.golem.de/1004/74290.html - fail 19:45:24 <Rubidium> what's this whole notion of 2560x1440 is the maximum resolution? Where does that myth come from? 19:45:41 <Rubidium> Miss Byron, can you debunk that myth? 19:46:16 <Progman> and the product is not called "Open Transport Tycoon" *g* 19:46:21 <__ln__> The existence of such a limit can only be confirmed by Savage & Hyneman. 19:48:20 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has joined #openttd 19:48:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:49:16 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: we in fact once had a limit on the resolution, so I guess from there that grew? 19:49:30 <andythenorth> Isn't marketing fun :D 19:49:56 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: yeah, but that limit was significantly lower than that number they pulled out of their arse 19:50:18 <TrueBrain> can;t remember the res. Only know it happened only on dualscreens in that time 19:50:39 *** Guest1540 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:39 <Rubidium> 2048x1200 19:52:38 <andythenorth> you can post comments on that site no? 19:52:47 <Rubidium> andythenorth: /.? 19:52:56 <Rubidium> or that German site? 19:53:02 <andythenorth> the german site 19:53:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56:47 <Terkhen> I have found a blog complaining that the free graphics are not included at the installer and that they are not listed as a suggested package (and even claiming that OpenGFX is not packaged separatedly) 19:58:03 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:51 <Nite_Owl> you cannot please all of the people all of the time 19:59:01 <andythenorth> Terkhen: there's a slashdot comment saying the same thing 20:00:17 <Nite_Owl> if you offered to go to their home and do the installation for them and then teach them how to play the game some people would still complain that you have not done enough 20:01:35 * andythenorth wonders what causes them to think they don't have the files though? 20:01:39 <Terkhen> indeed 20:01:54 <Nite_Owl> learning how to play a game is half the fun provided that you remember that it is just a game 20:02:27 <Rubidium> andythenorth: 85% of the people who react badly there react that way because that's the only way they get any attention 20:02:36 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:03:00 <andythenorth> on . /? 20:03:15 <andythenorth> It's one step up from YT comments in the food chain 20:03:29 <Terkhen> that's probably what happened with this blog entry... appears fourth when searching for "openttd 1.0.0" in spanish google 20:03:37 <Rubidium> andythenorth: youtube's probably 95% 20:03:48 <Terkhen> it has no comments, though 20:05:11 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has joined #openttd 20:05:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 20:06:54 <PeterT> changes in network protocol caused http://paste.openttd.org/225485 D: 20:08:09 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:36 <Terkhen> he has a point, though: when not starting OpenTTD from a console it silently fails to start with no messages at all (linux)... but I thought that linux users would notice the links to free graphics / sound / music just over the download link 20:11:26 <andythenorth> it's all about the out-of-the-box experience :) 20:11:30 <Rubidium> Terkhen: there's not much we can do about that... chicken + egg 20:11:59 *** Aylomen [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.158.85.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:45 <Terkhen> we could add one of those ugly notices that forces you to scroll down all of it before clicking on download :P 20:12:53 <ragzid> what about improve openttd-wrapper for debian? to check return code of openttd and at least print xmessage that something is wrong... 20:13:38 <Rubidium> ragzid: that script fails (failed?) for lenny 20:14:02 <Rubidium> also for the generic binary where people make a desktop item to openttd it fails 20:14:15 <Rubidium> and then it'll also fail when you don't have xmessage or something like that 20:14:27 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has joined #openttd 20:14:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:15:30 <ragzid> Rubidium: failed, blathijs fixed that 20:15:54 <Rubidium> ah, then it might be useful for the 1.0.1 debian-ish binaries 20:17:42 <ragzid> xmessage is part of x11-utils package, it could be considered as dependency, or something similar... 20:19:29 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:37 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@154.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:20:58 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@154.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 20:21:16 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8721.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:24:38 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:34 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has joined #openttd 20:30:49 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http://dev.openttdcoop.org] 20:30:49 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 20:30:49 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: gone...] 20:30:49 *** Guest1536 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: You must construct additional PYLONS to get me back!] 20:41:28 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41:37 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:41:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8721.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:01 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:43:01 *** V4530000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:44:01 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:44:07 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 20:45:10 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8721.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:57:24 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa5e3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:02:08 <Rubidium> lovely... 20% of pre 1.0.0-beta1 monthly bandwidth within 21 hours (for the mirrors alone) 21:10:13 <TrueBrain> it was a nice run today :) 21:11:38 <Rubidium> so... shall we make April 6th mirror appreciation day? :) 21:11:59 <TrueBrain> yeah :) 21:12:15 <TrueBrain> and the look-we-can-survive-the-slashdot-effect 21:13:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:49 <Rubidium> yeah, that effect is quite minimal... a nightly compile gives a higher bandwidth (factor 2) and load (factor 4) peak 21:14:13 <TrueBrain> at least we know all our httpds can handle 50 hits per second easy 21:14:34 <Nite_Owl> what until the how-the-heck-does-this-work effect hits in a few days (or less) 21:14:59 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:15:17 <Rubidium> then I've got a paper to write 21:16:52 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r19569 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_text.cpp newgrf_text.h strings.cpp): -Fix: possible buffer underflow in newgrf string code 21:17:57 <Nite_Owl> I guess the question load will depend on if they find the forums or the email links first 21:18:13 <TrueBrain> our email reply rate is very simple 21:19:31 <Nite_Owl> most likely be a lot of forum questions then 21:19:32 *** heffer [~felix@82.113.106.166] has joined #openttd 21:19:41 <TrueBrain> about the emails ;) 21:20:02 <Nite_Owl> or they could end up here 21:26:45 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-244-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 21:33:41 <Terkhen> good night 21:33:44 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@154.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 21:37:23 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:24 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1553 21:37:24 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 21:40:53 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:42:05 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 21:44:25 *** Guest1553 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:19 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 21:53:14 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 21:53:14 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: gone...] 21:53:14 *** V4530000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: You must construct additional PYLONS to get me back!] 21:53:14 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http://dev.openttdcoop.org] 21:53:31 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:48 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-83-234.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:07 *** Beklugas [~belugas@216.191.111.238] has joined #openttd 21:55:48 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:48 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1555 21:55:49 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 21:55:49 *** enr1x [~kiike@77.229.85.144] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:58:03 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has joined #openttd 21:58:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 21:59:23 *** Belugas [~belugas@96.243.16.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:19 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:31 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:01:38 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:02:59 *** Guest1555 [~Dale@pool-71-98-83-234.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:01 *** V453000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:03:24 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:24 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1559 22:03:25 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 22:03:35 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has joined #openttd 22:04:02 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:04:07 *** Beklugas is now known as Belugas 22:04:35 *** Guest1559 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:09 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:11:46 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has joined #openttd 22:11:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 22:13:34 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-79-112.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:09 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:45 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-8-45.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:15:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:18:37 *** John_Fredrik [~chatzilla@213.166.162.80] has joined #openttd 22:18:52 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@8.98.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:18:58 <John_Fredrik> Hey, real quick, what was the command for kicking a player from a server=? 22:19:09 <Yexo> have you tried kick? 22:19:47 <Yexo> first type "clients", then "kick ip" or "kick client-id" 22:20:42 <Nite_Owl> need to feed - later all 22:20:45 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:21:24 *** Ivan_ [~chatzilla@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 22:21:25 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: ZzZz...] 22:21:35 *** heffer [~felix@82.113.106.166] has quit [Quit: heffer] 22:21:36 *** Ivan_ is now known as Bluelight 22:21:51 *** Yperion [5a2ec7e3@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:22:24 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:38 <Bluelight> I'm trying to kick someone using rcon, what kommand should I use to kick? 22:22:45 <Bluelight> commend* 22:22:49 <Bluelight> command* 22:23:15 <Bluelight> Is it a client number? Where do I find this number on the client list? 22:23:56 <John_Fredrik> ty 22:24:19 <Bluelight> Where do I find the client ID? 22:24:32 *** Yperion [5a2ec7e3@webchat.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 22:24:44 <OwenS> Bluelight, list_clients iirc 22:25:01 <Yexo> just "clients" 22:25:06 <Bluelight> ty 22:25:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:01 *** V453000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: You must construct additional PYLONS to get me back!] 22:26:01 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http://dev.openttdcoop.org] 22:26:01 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 22:26:01 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: gone...] 22:31:04 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has joined #openttd 22:31:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 22:34:45 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:38:13 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:38:23 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@9.80-202-82.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 22:47:57 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:49:01 *** V4530000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:49:01 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:49:12 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 22:49:15 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 22:59:02 *** John_Fredrik [~chatzilla@213.166.162.80] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 23:12:47 *** zombie_monkey [~krum@77.77.32.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-54-82.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:24:15 *** V4530000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: You must construct additional PYLONS to get me back!] 23:24:15 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http://dev.openttdcoop.org] 23:24:15 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Bye - http.//dev.openttdcoop.org] 23:24:15 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: gone...] 23:25:43 <yuriks> do you really get a lot of questions over email? 23:25:44 <yuriks> wow 23:26:12 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:04 *** Aylomen [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.158.85.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:45:04 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-8-45.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:45:33 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: yexo * r19570 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_text.cpp stdafx.h strings.cpp table/control_codes.h): -Add: [NewGRF] support for extended text code 0x9A 11, print qword 23:47:20 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-30-151.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:47:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:49:24 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:59:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77353.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:59:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:59:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B774BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd