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Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 01:21:06 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 01:25:15 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 01:26:06 <Mazur> Good morning. 01:27:11 <PeterT> Morning, Mazur 01:46:43 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@95.169.62.99] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55:45 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-4db1a9c1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 01:57:41 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:01:13 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0efea.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:05:37 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:12:08 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-174-117.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 02:19:13 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c912.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46:55 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:48:11 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 02:48:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 03:31:29 *** Hackykid [~quassel@86.85.232.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:32:50 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:34:14 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:01:05 <Mazur> I have a station next to a sawmill, and it's producing goods, yet in the station I see no goods waiting. Do I need to transport it there from the adjacent sawmill? 04:02:50 <SirSquidness> Is the sawmill in the station's catchement area? ie, does the station say it provides goods? 04:03:01 <SirSquidness> and has something attempted to pick up goods from the statoin before? 04:04:09 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:05:57 <SpComb> Mazur: the station has to cover enough tiles from the sawmill, and you need to have a train that carries goods waiting at the station 04:06:43 <Mazur> Yes, I just built the train and set it going, and it's loading. 04:07:01 <Mazur> GThought I'd build the goods truck line if needed after. 04:07:30 <SpComb> (train or other vehicle) 04:12:03 <Mazur> B.t.w. I've set Primary production for the time being fundable like secondaries, I'm still too slow setting up the infrastructure to support them. They kept dying on me before I was ready. ;-) 04:12:54 <Mazur> When I'm more experienced I'll set it to prospecting again. 04:14:44 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 04:20:14 <Mazur> Made my first billion Euro. 04:20:18 <Mazur> :-) 04:22:34 <SirSquidness> good work :) 04:39:00 <Mazur> Hm. I've just set up passenger and goods delivery to a mall on the other end of a city, and the mall relocates. Do I have to relocate my bus and goods stop at make sure it's in range or will it resolve itself? 04:39:35 <Mazur> Neither location was in range of the train station. 04:44:15 <Mazur> Relocated it, anyway, joined a new lorry stop at the new location and disconnected/removed the old one. 04:44:30 <Mazur> Same with busstop. 04:45:01 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 05:23:43 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 05:37:47 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-150-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:44:36 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:49:08 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 05:55:49 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:10:49 *** Splex [~splex@n219079142042.netvigator.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11:16 *** Splex [~splex@n219079142042.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 06:51:12 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:52:28 <Mazur> You know, when adding a dedicated HSL track along existing routes, it helps using signs to remind yourself which pair is HSL and which are for stopping trains. 06:52:59 <Mazur> I discovered I join my planned HSL to a local coal run. 06:53:03 <Mazur> :-) 06:54:08 <Mazur> Had to redo a whole swath of tracks to clean it up. 07:08:21 *** Exception [~Rockstar@124-170-85-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:15:47 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@cpc1-oxfd18-2-0-cust689.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:17:45 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has joined #openttd 07:19:44 <dih> hello :-) 07:21:30 *** Exception [~Rockstar@124-170-85-81.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 07:30:14 <Zephyris> Morning all! 07:30:36 <Rubidium> morning y'all 07:30:42 <Zephyris> Feeling the slashdot effect? 07:31:06 <Jupix> oh, they posted it 07:31:15 <Jupix> too bad it wasn't my post 07:31:55 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 07:33:59 <SirSquidness> \o/ Merry delayed 1.0.0 07:34:18 <Rubidium> Zephyris: it's still less than when the day beta1 was released and the day after Christmas 07:35:54 <Zephyris> Interesting! A little investigation into the gaming habits of slashdotters... 07:37:53 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5e0add03.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 07:38:43 <planetmaker> morning 07:38:50 <dih> hey ho sir 07:39:04 <planetmaker> a dih! Moin :-) 07:39:50 <dih> :-) 07:41:10 <planetmaker> [09:34] <Rubidium> Zephyris: it's still less than when the day beta1 was released and the day after Christmas <-- you speak of total download count? Interesting... 07:41:28 <Rubidium> planetmaker: no, of server bandwidth 07:41:36 <Rubidium> LW server bandwidth 07:41:38 <planetmaker> ah, ok 07:41:58 <Rubidium> although, the binary download is lower too 07:42:09 <planetmaker> including mirrors? 07:42:57 <Rubidium> the LW server doesn't serve the binaries anymore, so yes... it includes the mirrors 07:44:05 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0be718.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:44:05 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 07:44:23 <planetmaker> hm... interesting, why does beta get more downloads than the stable? 07:45:10 <DDR> Better. :) 07:45:43 <DDR> It's pretty stable itself, it adds great new features. There is really not any disincentive to use it. 07:45:56 <DDR> *to not use it. 07:46:48 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.11.240] has quit [] 07:46:51 <DDR> Also, I believe the beta is the community standard. Check multiplayer server versions. :) 07:47:27 <planetmaker> DDR: the servers run the stable release mostly. And the betas are not much more than re-labeled nightlies. So I could play those... 07:48:15 <Rubidium> oh, the stats from around Christmas a skewed due to 0.7.5 too :) 07:48:27 <dih> planetmaker: there's just a difference between what you know and what a bunch of people believe to know ^^ 07:48:39 <DDR> Hm, it's been a few weeks since I looked into the situation... and downloaded the beta. You know what? 07:48:40 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 07:48:42 <DDR> Ignore me. 07:48:59 <Rubidium> there's almost as many 1.0.0 downloads in a little less than 1 week as 1.0.0-beta1 in those two weeks 07:49:08 <planetmaker> DDR: a few weeks ago stable 1.0 release servers just could not have been running... 07:49:38 <planetmaker> ok, that's more to what I expected, Rubidium :-) 07:49:54 <DDR> Well... I often forget what I had for breakfast, it's probable I've just forgotten what I'm talking about. 07:50:29 <DDR> ***Not a reliable source.*** 07:50:39 <Rubidium> [Citation needed] 07:50:51 <peter1138> fff 07:52:56 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:53:11 <Rubidium> nevertheless, the peak back than is higher than it's now although the bananas download count is significantly higher than during beta1 07:53:43 <Noldo> more new users? 07:54:03 <Rubidium> in 5 days: 200 GiB via LW and 400 GiB via the mirrors 07:54:18 <planetmaker> he 07:54:48 <Rubidium> that's about the bandwidth of April in 2009 07:55:31 * peter1138 waits for everything to swap back in so that it can quit 07:55:35 <lennard> oh, that reminds me, I need to tell you guys some moments in time when the utwente mirror will be unavailable 07:56:17 <lennard> I'll need to look it up, but its over a week from now :) 07:57:42 <Rubidium> lennard: work on the power units? 07:57:52 <lennard> yes 07:57:57 <peter1138> ah, quitting monodevelop drops swap from 3GB used to 0.5GB 07:58:02 <lennard> who told you? :P 07:58:02 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@89.193.117.182] has joined #openttd 07:58:06 <Rubidium> then it's the 16th and 23rd from 15:00-00:00 UTC 07:58:18 <Rubidium> lennard: http://www.utwente.nl/icts/onderhoudstoring/ 07:58:28 <lennard> hmm, true 07:59:17 <lennard> oh my they actually made an app 07:59:20 <lennard> how silly of them 07:59:21 *** Zephyris_ [~Zephyris@89.193.117.182] has quit [] 08:01:46 <lennard> well, at any rate, we plan to have the mirror simply be offline during the maintenance (real time down is from 06:00-09:00 UTC in both cases) 08:01:54 <lennard> err 08:02:01 <lennard> well, at any rate, we plan to have the mirror simply be offline during the maintenance (real time down is from 18:00-21:00 UTC in both cases) 08:04:20 *** Zephyris [~Zephyris@cpc1-oxfd18-2-0-cust689.4-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:06:08 <Forked> wee.. you made slashdot 08:22:16 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 08:22:37 <Rubidium> openttd-1.0.0/src/newgrf_engine.cpp:4133567: error: expected unqualified-id 08:22:50 <Rubidium> somehow I think we don't have that many lines :) 08:24:47 <dih> :-P 08:24:54 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c466:da88:8c39:c87f] has joined #openttd 08:24:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 08:25:13 <planetmaker> hehe 08:32:24 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@191.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 08:32:32 <Terkhen> good morning 08:40:01 <peter1138> what produced that error? 08:40:16 <Rubidium> peter1138: some sparc gcc 08:48:11 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 08:51:13 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-244-156.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:54:42 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.127] has joined #openttd 08:57:53 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:08:20 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:17:21 <TrueBrain> we are receiving 6 visits per minute from slashdot .. can anyone go give slashdot a hug? :) 09:18:16 <__ln__> only 6? 09:18:35 <TrueBrain> on average, yes 09:19:10 <TrueBrain> (assuming all have their referer active) 09:21:05 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBA43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:21:23 <TrueBrain> @calc 5691 / 6934 09:21:23 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 0.820738390539 09:22:41 <blathijs> TrueBrain: 1.0 release was featured on /.? 09:22:47 <TrueBrain> yup 09:23:41 *** Mrruben5 [~ruben@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:23:42 <blathijs> :-) 09:23:46 <TrueBrain> normally we handle 6 to 7 hits per second. Since 1.0.0 this is between 12 and 16 hits per second. Currently, we are at a rate of 25 hits per second :p 09:24:12 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: are usually much quieter anyway 09:24:24 <TrueBrain> what is? 09:24:30 <Rubidium> nights 09:24:43 <Rubidium> why did I not write that? 09:24:45 <TrueBrain> you really make no sense, I think you typed a partly sentence 09:25:37 <Rubidium> anyhow, 30-35 downloads an hour from 2-5 UTC, 130-140 downloads from 15-19 UTC 09:26:13 <Rubidium> average hourly downloads is 90 09:26:55 <Rubidium> so given the download stats and your averages we're at roughly twice the normal amount 09:27:13 <TrueBrain> euh, make that '25' more like '40' ;) 09:28:01 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: let me put the stats differently: yesterday in the 08:00-08:59 range, there were 70k hits. Today that number was 173k 09:28:43 <TrueBrain> @calc 173075 / 68298 09:28:43 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 2.53411520103 09:28:49 <TrueBrain> 153% increase :) 09:29:40 <TrueBrain> random other stats: Python (Django), serving main website appears relative stable. php-cgi, serving bugs/wiki are having a hard time handling it .. go figure 09:32:58 <blathijs> TrueBrain: The PHP code needs to reinitialize one every request, which probably makes it more heavy 09:33:41 <TrueBrain> which makes PHP suck ass, yes :) 09:36:40 <dih> TrueBrain: got an accelerator? 09:37:29 <TrueBrain> lol: no; and wouldn't help :) 09:37:59 <dih> why would it not help? 09:39:57 <TrueBrain> because the time is not in the compiling. It is in handling and replying to the request, at this rate 09:40:44 <blathijs> and setting up database connections, and processing configuration, etc. I guess 09:41:11 <TrueBrain> yup 09:41:25 <TrueBrain> Django for example has a MySQL connection ready at all times, mmmuuucccchhhhh faster :) 09:41:41 <dih> yeah, that must be nice :-) 09:42:57 <dih> my php does support persistent connections 09:43:23 <dih> ^^ 09:44:21 <TrueBrain> unless you run your php stuff as a stand-alone app, it never really is 09:45:13 <blathijs> TrueBrain: With php-cgi or mod_cgi, the mysql_pconnect would save some trouble of connection setup though 09:45:37 <TrueBrain> blathijs: in return, killing your MySQL because of dangling connections ;) 09:47:29 <dih> i dont use php-cgi but a php module 09:53:41 <TrueBrain> hmm .. funny: the downloads amount went up with the same rate as the hits per second went up, meaning that our normal visitors download as often the game as slashdotters do :p 09:54:08 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has joined #openttd 09:57:41 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 09:59:17 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@119.11.11.240] has joined #openttd 10:03:35 <Ammler> traffic of DevZone also doubled since April 1st 10:04:31 <Ammler> from 400 to 900 visits 10:06:01 <TrueBrain> to be expected, I guess 10:06:07 <Ammler> hmm, that is bundles., dev. has also doubled from 500 to 1000, silly, 10:06:27 <TrueBrain> strangly though, this channel hasnt been more empty :p 10:07:59 <Ammler> he someone commented that you should make a installier to include the addons ;-) 10:08:45 <Ammler> oh well, bon appetit :-) 10:12:42 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8721.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:23:02 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:23:52 <Sacro> ooh slashdot 10:24:19 <PeterT> oh Sacro 10:25:00 <dih> oh... fuck! 10:30:59 <Sacro> ? 10:34:59 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:50 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 10:40:12 *** OwenS [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:48:40 *** Aylomen [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.158.85.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:40 <ragzid> any idea why I can't build Junk Yard in Scenario editor? i always says "...site unsuitable". but generating "many random industries" creates it... 10:49:44 <ragzid> (using FIRS) 10:50:21 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.27.246] has joined #openttd 10:54:52 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8721.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: <Nachricht>] 10:54:53 <peter1138> speak to george i guess 10:55:01 <planetmaker> rather to andythenorth 10:55:51 <planetmaker> Dunno the pacement rules for those, though. SE should be SE. Maybe it requires vicinity of towns or alike 10:56:13 <glx> or special landscape layout 10:56:28 <planetmaker> seems even more likely. 11:02:19 <ragzid> hmm, now I figured that out... it must be built near the town and enough flat space around 11:05:31 <dih> and what is "enough flat space" ? 11:05:36 <dih> can you define that too? 11:06:13 *** Biolunar_ is now known as Biolunar 11:06:20 *** svip [~svip@prussia.theinfosphere.org] has joined #openttd 11:06:33 <ragzid> maybe 1 or 2 square around 11:06:59 <dih> TrueBrain: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_dbd.html 11:07:21 <Rubidium> dih: ain't no lighty 11:07:29 <dih> oh - ohhh ok 11:07:30 <TrueBrain> who still uses apache :s 11:07:44 <svip> :P Many. 11:07:51 <svip> In fact, most of all webservers. 11:08:05 <TrueBrain> number is reducing fast :) 11:08:19 <svip> :P Well, I just slapped a decent cache engine over Apache. 11:08:27 <svip> So now its slowish hog ain't present anymore. 11:08:42 <dih> svip - define 'decent cache engine' 11:08:46 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:53 <svip> dih: Varnish. 11:09:10 <TrueBrain> Apache is just 55% of all httpds (netcraft, March 2010) 11:10:04 <TrueBrain> 7% is nginx (what we use too) 11:10:25 <svip> I only use Apache out of habit. 11:10:34 <svip> A decent setup will still get you performance, however. 11:10:36 <TrueBrain> stop doing that ;) 11:10:44 <svip> Well, it works. :P 11:10:51 <svip> I have not yet seen a reason to switch. 11:10:58 <TrueBrain> a bike works too. But I dislike driving 100km with it 11:11:13 <svip> Well, I ain't riding my Apache server. 11:11:17 <dih> TrueBrain: can you give me some numbers from the sql server? i.e. statements / second? 11:11:20 <svip> Besides, I isntalled Varnish. 11:11:25 <svip> Which is like installing rockets on your bike. 11:11:33 <svip> installed* 11:11:49 <TrueBrain> svip: so maybe it now is fast, but an even higher chance to miss a turn ;) 11:11:50 <TrueBrain> ghehe :) 11:11:59 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:12:05 <svip> :P 11:12:19 <svip> It actually performs without a hitch. 11:12:26 <TrueBrain> ;) 11:12:33 <TrueBrain> Apache can work very nice and stuff :) 11:12:42 <TrueBrain> just ... there are faster things out there :) 11:12:44 <svip> I meant Varnish. 11:13:28 *** zachanima [~zach@90.185.77.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:14:24 <svip> It reacts faster than Google's Analytics. :( 11:14:55 <TrueBrain> that aint that hard :) 11:15:04 <dih> you really think that is a good comparison? 11:15:11 <svip> No. 11:15:18 <svip> But I was using Google Analytics. 11:15:20 <dih> i mean, comparing your setup against google? :-P 11:15:21 <svip> And its speed was annoying me. 11:15:48 <TrueBrain> @calc 178211 / 3600 11:15:48 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: 49.5030555556 11:15:59 <TrueBrain> 50 hits per second and stable ... I think this setup is working :) 11:16:16 <svip> :) 11:16:50 <TrueBrain> still 150% increase in normal traffic 11:17:17 <svip> Well, so far, we only get like... 200k hits a day. 11:17:21 <TrueBrain> our main server is running at 10 mbit/s .. still plenty to grow :) 11:18:09 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d9fa.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:18:39 <svip> :) 11:18:41 <TrueBrain> 55 GB to US (from 1st of April), 325 GB to the rest, for binaries.openttd.org 11:18:50 <TrueBrain> this game really isn't catching on in the US :p 11:19:01 <svip> What do Americans know? :P 11:19:47 <svip> o_O 11:19:50 <svip> I don't get webalizer. 11:19:57 <TrueBrain> 73k downloads of release files, of which 25% is most likely 1.0.0 release, so that is almost 20k installs in 6 days time :p 11:19:58 <svip> It only seems to update when it feels like it. 11:20:21 <svip> It just skipped the first three days of this month. 11:20:50 <TrueBrain> nah, I have 31k confirmed, so that number is on the low side ... 11:21:09 <svip> Yeah, my server isn't serving binary files. 11:21:15 <TrueBrain> strangely enough, 2% of the downloads yesterday was for 0.6.3 :s 11:21:15 <svip> It is just serving Futurama information for the people. 11:22:21 <svip> But where else will you find an article like this; http://theinfosphere.org/Dandy_Jim 11:22:25 <dih> we have about 500-600 'useful' statements / second to your sql server 11:22:50 <dih> s/your/our/ 11:23:23 <TrueBrain> since 2008-09-14, OpenTTD has been downloaded 1.2M times 11:23:34 <svip> Congratulations. :) 11:23:46 <TrueBrain> 1M releases, 0.13M nightlies 11:23:59 <TrueBrain> we still have a lot to grow :) 11:25:51 <svip> :P indeed. 11:25:59 <svip> And so do we hope to do. 11:26:03 <svip> When Futurama returns this summer. 11:26:45 <dih> and an average of 190 established connections at any given time (according to netstat) 11:27:24 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: 31916 1.0.0 downloads up to 05-04 23:59 UTC 11:30:24 <TrueBrain> atm, on average, 1 person downloads OpenTTD every 6 seconds :p 11:30:36 <TrueBrain> (excluding linux distros and stuff of course :p) 11:38:17 <OwenS> I find that its "only" 0.13M nightlies is unimpressive considering how often people redownload them :-( 11:38:57 <planetmaker> OwenS, I guess that doesn't count the source checkouts. 11:39:04 <OwenS> True 11:39:14 <OwenS> That would be hard considering the multitude of repositories 11:39:39 <ragzid> sync sv->git happens once a day? 11:40:00 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:40:08 <OwenS> ragzid: every commit 11:40:24 <ragzid> OwenS: thanks 11:41:45 <planetmaker> luckily :-) 11:45:42 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:48:49 <Rubidium> must say Varnish looks ingenious, but I fear it doesn't do much good. Much of the content it automatically generated (i.e. uncachable), uses cookies (i.e. uncachable) or is already cached 11:49:45 <peter1138> sounds "good" 11:54:01 <Mazur> You know, when you build a double one-way track for stopping trains, it really helps if you maake hte one way path signals on one track facing the opposite way. 11:54:46 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-150-105.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:08 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-204-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:00:06 <Mazur> Oh well, I thought it funny when I discovered the error. 12:00:07 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:01:56 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 12:02:15 *** ragzid is now known as ragzid|cooking 12:07:52 <OwenS> The Itanic continues to sink - MS is officially dropping Itanium from future Windows Server releases 12:09:14 <Rubidium> who cares, as long as OpenTTD compiles & runs on Itanium it's not lost yet 12:09:35 <ddfreyne> heh 12:09:35 <TrueBrain> Itanium was lost before it was released :p 12:14:03 <peter1138> OS X is lost? :) 12:17:08 <svip> What is Itanium and why should I care? 12:17:27 <FauxFaux> A cpu architecture even more insignificant than x86_32. 12:17:44 <svip> So I shouldn't care? 12:18:35 <peter1138> it was intel's original version of a 64 bit platform until amd's trumped it. 12:18:48 <blathijs> Rubidium: OpenTTD will still need an OS to run on, though :-) 12:18:50 <Noldo> what is wrong with it? 12:19:15 <Rubidium> blathijs: that's what's Debian for 12:19:44 <peter1138> Debian's new name: OpenTTDOS 12:20:19 <svip> Just make a LiveCD of a Linux distro which only runs OpenTTD. 12:20:28 <Rubidium> peter1138: shall we at the same time release a DOS version of OpenTTD called OpenTTDOS? 12:20:35 <peter1138> correct 12:20:40 <peter1138> infact 12:20:56 <peter1138> yes, just runfreedos 12:21:01 <blathijs> Rubidium: Ah, we compile on Debian / Itanium, not Windows / Itanium of course :-) 12:27:58 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 12:28:00 *** lasershock [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 12:30:01 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n1c.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:44 <KenjiE20> hm, OpenTTD 1.0.0 is on slashdot 12:46:12 <OwenS> And loads of people there are complaining about the old AI *facepalm* 12:46:24 <KenjiE20> it's slashdot 12:46:49 <OwenS> Thats true :p 12:47:25 <KenjiE20> they're only marginally better than youtube commenters 12:48:31 <OwenS> For Youtube, theres Feyntube.js, which replaces the inane drivel with Richard Feynman quotes 12:49:26 <KenjiE20> I just don't ever read them 12:49:35 <ddfreyne> slashdot? :) 12:50:08 <ddfreyne> i cannot help but feel that diagonal bridges/tunnels would make some constructions so much easierâŠÂ probably rather hard to write a patch for that, though 12:51:06 <KenjiE20> It's been proposed a couple times on TT-F 12:51:16 <OwenS> Its also very hard 12:51:57 <KenjiE20> it would be awesome though, to be able to built proper flyovers :) 12:52:15 <ddfreyne> yep 12:52:39 <OwenS> And if you're implementing it, you probably just rewrote the map array.. so why not implement lomo-style complex bridges? :P 12:53:04 <ddfreyne> lomo-style complex bridges? needs some explanation :) 12:53:20 <OwenS> Multiple elevation changes, corners, etc 12:53:35 <ddfreyne> oh, sounds fun 12:53:45 <ddfreyne> (that *would* be useful too :P) 12:53:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:03 * TrueBrain gives Ammler a hug 12:54:17 <Ammler> thanks :'-( 13:00:12 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:00:42 <TrueBrain> our httpd just reached 55 hits per second :p (was 35 3 hours ago) 13:01:02 <glx> north america woke up ;) 13:01:03 <Rubidium> oh noes... the server's 15 minute average load has breached 1 13:02:06 <TrueBrain> I really wonder if we wil survive this day without downtime ;) 13:02:23 <planetmaker> :-D 13:02:38 <OwenS> TrueBrain: Its Lighty isn't it? :p 13:03:10 <Rubidium> not exclusively 13:04:00 <OwenS> What is used for the static content then? 13:04:06 <Rubidium> offloading ~20 Mbps to mirrors... lovely 13:04:19 <Rubidium> OwenS: lighty behind nginx I think 13:04:30 <Rubidium> mirror distribution is python behind nginx 13:04:49 <Rubidium> svn over http is apache behind nginx 13:05:07 <OwenS> Using LightHTTPd for the static seems a little silly. As for mirror distribution, I'd be tempted to learn Perl and have it run in-httpd 13:05:55 <Rubidium> OwenS: the mirror distribution is a webserver written in python dedicated to mirroring 13:06:29 <TrueBrain> OwenS: it depends on what you request, but our front httpd is always nginx 13:06:36 <TrueBrain> and using Perl for httpd is stupid 13:06:38 <TrueBrain> there are more efficient ways 13:07:13 <ashb_> less stupid than using ruby(1.8) 13:07:27 <OwenS> ashb_: Python owns Ruby any day :p 13:07:34 <TrueBrain> in what universe? 13:07:55 <OwenS> BTW, did you see the formal proof someone created that Perl is unparsable? 13:07:56 <ashb_> depends on your metrics. in raw thruput ruby sucks huge donkey balls 13:08:30 <TrueBrain> for ruby, you need to be well aware of your software 13:08:31 <ashb_> OwenS: in a context-free-manner, sure. well known inside perl community 13:08:58 <OwenS> ashb_: Not just in a context-free manner. It is completely impossible to parse Perl 13:09:11 <ashb_> well it clearly isn't 13:09:26 <OwenS> ashb_: Why? 13:09:29 <ashb_> what is the defintion of 'parse' there? 13:09:43 <OwenS> ashb_: Compose a syntax tree from the code. Do not execute any of it. 13:10:08 <ashb_> okay if oyu mean parse only and never exec files then okay 13:10:14 <ashb_> s/files/any code at all/ 13:10:23 <OwenS> That is the definition of parse ;-) 13:10:39 <ashb_> not strictly. you can parse one file given the right context 13:10:47 <ashb_> the context involves executing some code :) 13:11:06 <OwenS> Parsing Perl is equivilant to solving the Halting Problem ;-) 13:11:09 <ddfreyne> in my experience lighttpd handles static files quite well, but Iâm not used to dealing with distribution on this scale 13:11:21 <TrueBrain> lighttpd does it fine 13:11:23 <TrueBrain> nginx does it better 13:11:24 <ashb_> OwenS: only bad perl ;) 13:11:26 <TrueBrain> Apache does it wrong 13:11:42 <ddfreyne> you canât parse perl unambiguously 13:11:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C2C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:46 <OwenS> ashb_: Quite common perl actually 13:11:47 <ashb_> and it stems down to bareword method call. 13:11:57 <ashb_> OwenS: thats my defn of bad ;) 13:12:09 <OwenS> nginx owns any httpd server for performance. It just needs better config files 13:12:13 <TrueBrain> ddfreyne: wrongly formulated. You can _always_ parse thing unambigiously. Just it doesn't have to be unambigiously :) 13:12:35 <Rubidium> OwenS: except its performance to "leak" memory 13:12:45 <TrueBrain> OwenS: nginx not 13:12:47 <TrueBrain> lighttpd ;) 13:12:52 <OwenS> Rubidium: Huh? Its lighthttpd which leaks 13:12:53 <TrueBrain> OwenS => Rubidium 13:12:54 <TrueBrain> ;) 13:13:04 <ashb_> i prefer the config of nginx to lighty 13:13:15 <TrueBrain> even under this load, nginx is using 10 MiB RAM :p 13:13:31 <OwenS> ashb_: I have no experience with lighty, but nginx config, while simple, is limited. For example, no nested ifs 13:14:00 <Rubidium> OwenS: you're parsing it incorrectly 13:14:05 <ashb_> not needed that yet. but lighty is harder to parse (as a user) at a glance 13:14:27 <TrueBrain> lighttpd 1.5 had a more sane configure, but .. it seems that is dead 13:14:47 <ashb_> nginx confused the crap out of me at first with its proxy_pass; 13:14:52 <ashb_> it stomps on Host: header 13:15:08 <TrueBrain> Cherokee is best in configure 13:15:10 <blathijs> TrueBrain: That's an interesting thing to say about an unreleased version :-) 13:15:11 <TrueBrain> it comes with a webadmin :) 13:15:29 <TrueBrain> blathijs: why? The part about it being dead? Or more sane configure? 13:15:31 <OwenS> I use nginx exclusively. Except for mailman, which is proxied to apache because mailman sucks balls and uses CGI 13:15:40 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Your use of the past tense in "had" :-) 13:15:58 <TrueBrain> blathijs: well, there was NO development on the 1.5, so I consider it dead, so past tense :) 13:16:23 <blathijs> TrueBrain: But did development really cease? It does have some features I want, so I was hoping they'd finally release sometime soon... 13:16:39 <TrueBrain> what I gathered last time, is that they considered it a brainfart 13:16:47 <TrueBrain> and they continued back on 1.4 13:16:54 <blathijs> hmkay.. 13:17:03 <TrueBrain> the are now so far apart ... I wouldn't hold my breath on a 1.5 release .. ever 13:17:17 <jordi> blathijs: have you seen the sparc issue? 13:17:28 <blathijs> jordi: Yeah, Rubidium also spotted it 13:17:31 <Rubidium> jordi: that's IMO a non-issue of OpenTTD 13:17:42 <Rubidium> jordi: just look closely at the line number 13:18:05 <Rubidium> jordi: newgrf_engine.cpp:4133567: error: expected unqualified-id 13:18:07 <ashb_> OwenS: seem the python mail project thiny? 13:18:16 <Rubidium> jordi: i.e. line number 4 million something 13:18:22 <OwenS> ashb_: no 13:18:27 <ashb_> sec 13:18:33 <ashb_> http://lamsonproject.org/ i think 13:19:02 <ashb_> i don't know any details about it other than 'it exists' 13:19:05 <blathijs> jordi: Do you have access to a sparc machine? I was thinking about mailing the sparc porters about this issue / to ask for access. 13:19:08 <jordi> Rubidium: so your editor can't seek to line 4133567? ha ha! 13:19:32 <OwenS> ashb_: I don't want a new mail server. I want a decent mailing list manager :p 13:19:37 <jordi> blathijs: I could ask for access, but I guess a mail to debian-sparc is best 13:19:50 <jordi> OwenS: dude, ngix + mailman for the win 13:19:59 <jordi> +n 13:20:02 <OwenS> jordi: mailman doesn't work with nginx to my knowledge 13:20:26 <OwenS> blathijs/jordi: Considered asking for access to OpenSolaris' dev machines? 13:20:31 <TrueBrain> mailman sucks. period. 13:21:17 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:25 <Rubidium> jordi: no, my editor doesn't have access to 4132377 lines that are not in that file 13:21:38 <jordi> OwenS: http://paste.debian.net/67662/ 13:21:42 <blathijs> OwenS: I'd rather try with a machine that runs Debian, since the build failed on Debian 13:22:14 <jordi> blathijs: some good hint would be to compare the GCC versions of the rc3 compile and this one 13:22:15 <OwenS> blathijs: Fair enough. Theres also GCC's compile farm, which is available to OSS projects 13:22:34 <jordi> that, or any tool that generates stiuff during the openttd build, etc. 13:23:06 <jordi> OwenS: if you're interested (and use Debian/Ubuntu), I can give you the package I'll uplooad to Debian eventually (the cgiwrapper) 13:23:37 <jordi> if you don't use Debian/Ubuntu, it's a trivial C file you can compile on your own 13:23:38 <OwenS> jordi: I'm not too bothered at the moment. Its nice to see one of those projects finally producing something viable though 13:23:39 <blathijs> jordi: Hmm, are older logs archived anywhere? Simply changing the version number in the url doesn't seem to work... 13:24:26 <jordi> https://buildd.debian.org/build.php?arch=&pkg=openttd 13:25:04 <jordi> OwenS: if you are, just ping me. the .deb has an example file for mailman. It's a 5 min job 13:25:07 <Rubidium> g++-4.4_4.4.3-5 vs g++-4.4_4.4.3-5 13:25:17 <jordi> yay 13:25:42 <OwenS> jordi: Now if only either Debian or Ubuntu would package a recent nginx version ;-) 13:25:52 *** ashb_ is now known as ashb<