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00:05:32 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:08:17 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 00:09:14 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:11:24 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8721.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:07 *** ChoHag [~mking@77-44-113-86.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:44 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has joined #openttd 00:13:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 00:16:59 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:07 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.27.246] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿ãªãã] 00:21:06 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:29:20 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-23-42-146.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 00:30:42 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:29 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31:38 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-23-42-146.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 00:32:14 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool12-2-0-cust451.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 00:33:53 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@cpc3-pool12-2-0-cust451.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 00:41:59 *** ChoHag [~mking@77-44-113-86.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #openttd 00:47:37 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-30-151.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50:41 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:55 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-169-146.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 00:50:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:54:54 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:56:49 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:57:40 *** OwenS [~os@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:05:51 *** fjb is now known as Guest1572 01:05:52 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DBA5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:12:27 *** Guest1572 [~frank@p5485DB03.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:15:25 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBA43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 01:19:12 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28:24 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:31:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DBA5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:56 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 01:44:06 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CCAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:44:30 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has joined #openttd 01:44:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 01:52:35 <yuriks> is there any disvantage to using path signals? 01:52:45 <yuriks> like, do they cost your more in maintenance or anything? 01:53:27 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a0a8:6c55:6353:6692] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:54:02 <PeterT> No. 01:54:25 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-4db19b0c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 01:57:04 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1a9c1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:58:26 <yuriks> PeterT: thanks again 01:58:40 <PeterT> Again? 01:59:11 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d9fa.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:59:15 <yuriks> I asked you about junctions before iirc =P 01:59:24 <PeterT> I don't believe that was me 02:00:28 <yuriks> hmm, right 02:00:36 <PeterT> Maybe... 02:00:44 <PeterT> I don't want to take credit if it wasn't me. 02:01:01 <yuriks> well, let's just let it at 'thanks' then =) 02:09:16 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:19:52 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:06 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.237] has joined #openttd 02:24:08 *** russell_h [~russell_h@ash.osuosl.org] has joined #openttd 02:24:44 *** ChoHag [~mking@77-44-113-86.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:25:24 <russell_h> is the opengfx, etc downloads site down? 02:31:37 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32:24 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.237] has joined #openttd 02:39:02 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:41:52 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43:02 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.237] has joined #openttd 02:51:46 *** welshdragon [~markmac@client-86-23-42-146.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 02:52:07 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.237] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52:37 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.237] has joined #openttd 02:53:00 *** ChoHag [~mking@77-44-113-86.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #openttd 02:58:57 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has joined #openttd 03:08:22 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 03:19:53 <Mazur> Man, I did some major, and I mean Major, retracking today. 03:22:02 <Mazur> 4, maybe 5 major crossroads, 10 cities, 10 villages... 03:32:36 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has joined #openttd 03:38:08 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:38:19 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 03:57:24 *** fjb [~frank@p5485CCAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:10:48 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has joined #openttd 04:15:06 <DanMacK> Hello all 04:18:53 <Mazur> Hi. 04:20:44 <Mazur> If you have a set of grouped trains on shread orders, and you actuvate the timerable on one of them, will hte timetable get shares, as well? And if so, will hte game space the set out over the trajectory they must follow? 04:21:13 <Mazur> shrad oorders, rather than shread. 04:28:02 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EFB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:33:09 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 04:33:16 *** DanMacK [~here@65.94.201.53] has quit [] 04:49:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Mazur: yes, no. 04:50:17 <russell_h> does anyone know where I can download opengfx? 04:51:57 <Eddi|zuHause> google knows. the installer knows. the game knows, the website knows... 04:52:07 <russell_h> the website seems to be down 04:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> which website? 04:54:12 <russell_h> pretty much anything on openttdcoop.org as far as I can tell 04:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause> then try this? http://binaries.openttd.org/bananas/OpenGFX-0.2.3.tar.gz 04:55:16 <russell_h> ah, looks like things are mirrored on 04:55:19 <russell_h> yeah, that 04:55:24 <russell_h> thanks 05:05:03 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:09:20 <Mazur> Thanks. 05:09:39 <Priski> morgen all 05:09:47 * Mazur <_---- bedwards. 05:09:57 <Mazur> See you tomorrow. 05:13:04 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EFB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:18:05 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:31:08 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:33:04 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has joined #openttd 05:37:28 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1592 05:37:28 *** DaleStan [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:44:44 *** Guest1592 [~Dale@c-24-12-4-37.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:10:34 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 06:38:43 *** ecke [~ecke@pc127-189.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 06:45:59 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:51:21 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:51:50 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-18-119.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 07:12:56 <planetmaker> moin 07:18:31 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:20:52 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:21:30 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:22:42 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 07:24:09 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:24:15 <dih> morning 07:24:48 <Priski> morning 07:25:16 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 07:25:54 <ragzid> morning 07:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause> gninrom 07:28:50 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:29:59 <Priski> hard to stay still after 4 cups of coffee 07:30:07 <Priski> yet I have nothing to do 07:33:22 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 07:33:55 <planetmaker> hm... openttd.org is also not really fast right now.... 07:35:05 <planetmaker> 504 Gateway Time-out 07:36:37 <Priski> does not open for me either 07:38:11 <peter1138> i'd fix it myself 07:38:43 <peter1138> but, being a professional sysadmin by trade, i have no rights on openttd's systems :p 07:38:52 <dih> :-D 07:40:33 <planetmaker> he :-P 07:43:31 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@26.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 07:43:38 <Terkhen> good morning 07:46:48 *** ecke [~ecke@pc127-189.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 07:57:56 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@26.68.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 07:59:07 *** zombie_monkey [~krum@77.77.32.200] has joined #openttd 07:59:28 <zombie_monkey> any advice on which AI to use? all of the ones I've tried so far have crashed 07:59:40 <zombie_monkey> like, they don't even start 08:00:17 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@4.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 08:02:50 <zombie_monkey> at the time they're supposed to start playing I get a message in the AI debugger 08:02:58 <zombie_monkey> and that's it. 08:04:32 <planetmaker> then try the other ones :-) 08:04:47 <planetmaker> and try with their newest versions 08:05:02 <planetmaker> especially NoCAB gets currently very frequent updates. 08:05:27 <zombie_monkey> I tried NoCab, Admiral, Simple and Rondja 08:06:07 <planetmaker> Give them a 2nd chance. And also try CluelessPlus 08:06:19 <zombie_monkey> rondje didn't crash, and it built and HQ and stopped 08:06:24 <zombie_monkey> the otehr ones crashed 08:06:36 <planetmaker> Also those AIs can only get better, if you help the authors by making decent bug reports about their respective AIs. 08:06:48 <zombie_monkey> oh, wait, it crashed now 08:06:56 <zombie_monkey> planetmaker: yeah, I know 08:07:23 <zombie_monkey> it's just... am I doing something wrong? 08:07:40 <zombie_monkey> I mean sure, I'd love to help with bug reports but they're not working at all 08:07:41 <planetmaker> for the end user there's not much more you can do than start the AI. 08:08:20 <planetmaker> While all those AI are not 100% stable, they usually do the job for me quite fine, especially AdmiralAI. 08:08:34 <planetmaker> And then NoCAB and CluelessPlus and Rondje 08:08:55 <planetmaker> ChoCho might still be interesting but developement seems to have stalled. 08:10:26 <zombie_monkey> planetmaker: maybe you have to play on specific map settings so they don't crash? 08:19:21 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-204-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:21:07 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:55 <zombie_monkey> well I odn't know what the problem is but none of them work at all. 08:22:59 *** zombie_monkey [~krum@77.77.32.200] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:25:24 <Terkhen> what message do you get? 08:26:17 <ragzid> Terkhen: he left 08:27:37 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:28:51 <Terkhen> one of the few cons of having join / part in a different window 08:29:51 <ragzid> that's why I'm using irssi in default configuration :) 08:30:56 <ragzid> anyway, time to go to school, test of integration is waiting... 08:31:26 <jordi> blathijs, Rubidium: the Ubuntu stuff got an OK, it's now on the hands of the release team 08:31:49 <Rubidium> jordi: lovely! 08:32:30 <blathijs> jordi: You mean the sponsor OK, right? 08:32:47 <jordi> and I have instructions to prod release team members if they don't say anything soon 08:32:51 <jordi> this needs testing ASAP 08:33:20 <blathijs> :-) 08:33:35 <jordi> so I'll use more superpowers because I know a few of the release team members well 08:34:15 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-214-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:38:10 <jordi> done 08:45:41 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B774BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:46:10 <Rubidium> yesterday 11740 downloads of OpenTTD (11219 of 1.0.0, 77% Windows, 15% Debian/Ubuntu, 4% Linux generic, 3% source). Furthermore 81960 BaNaNaS downloads (85% via the mirror). 138 GiB offloaded to the mirror, 77 GiB by our own server (80% of that HTTP traffic) 08:47:26 <planetmaker> wow. 08:47:37 <Terkhen> :) 08:47:43 <planetmaker> Nearly 10x the usual load, if I see that correctly 08:48:35 <Rubidium> planetmaker: bandwidth wise it is (at least comparing to pre 1.0.0-beta) 08:49:21 <Rubidium> 2009 average is roughly 2000 binary downloads a day 08:49:49 <Rubidium> and some 15000 bananas downloads a day 08:50:10 <Rubidium> and 600 GiB a month 08:50:14 *** Mrruben5 [~ruben@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:50:49 <jordi> Rubidium: who sponsors/pays for that bw? 08:51:14 <Rubidium> jordi: the main server, that's paid from the donations 08:51:36 <Rubidium> the mirrors are paid with appreciation 08:51:52 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/slashdot-lw-stats.png <- when did the slashdot article surface? :) 08:52:23 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/slashdot-download-stats.pdf <- just the downloads per hour 08:52:26 <planetmaker> Hehe :-) 08:53:26 <planetmaker> but it seems only the smaller sub-peak might be slash-dot - related, given the download count of the last days... 08:54:24 <Rubidium> that second peak looks like Europeans coming home and downloading OpenTTD or so (after checking out the website at work) 08:54:55 <planetmaker> Looking at http://www.openttd.org/en/stats it tells me that ~6000 ... 8000 were expected as opposed to the 11000 seen 08:55:32 <planetmaker> so... 3-4k downloads due to slashdot :-) 08:56:19 <TrueBrain> 6000 is more like what would be expected 08:56:24 <TrueBrain> so that make 5000 slashdot 08:57:00 <Rubidium> probably a bit more because of it being a tuesday which has less than in weekends and because monday was a holiday in Europe, i.e. TB's expectation is probably right/a little too high 08:57:43 <planetmaker> hm, yeah 08:58:15 <TrueBrain> we btw got 3760 visitors from slashdot 08:58:24 <Rubidium> and that's optimistic because with 1.0.0-beta1 we saw peak-40% after 5 days 08:58:25 <TrueBrain> (which have their 'referer' active) 09:02:41 *** zombie_monkey [~krum@77.77.32.200] has joined #openttd 09:03:16 <zombie_monkey> hm, so the problem is nothing compiles, there are erros in the libraries, and sometimes the ais can't find the libraries 09:03:21 <zombie_monkey> at all. 09:03:29 <zombie_monkey> someone in the forums has the same problem 09:03:51 <zombie_monkey> btw, downloading most things except ronje is not reflected in the online content download interface 09:04:01 <zombie_monkey> although I can see them in ~/.openttd/ai/ 09:04:41 <planetmaker> AI libraries are loaded automatically as a dependency 09:12:54 <zombie_monkey> http://pastebin.org/139828 09:12:56 <zombie_monkey> examples 09:15:48 <zombie_monkey> http://pastebin.org/139830 09:17:42 *** Mrruben5 [~ruben@s5594146e.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Mrruben5] 09:20:13 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:39:12 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:43:09 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:43:18 *** Biolunar_ is now known as Biolunar 09:45:28 *** owenshep [~owenshep@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:45:40 *** owenshep is now known as OwenS 09:50:45 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:52:32 *** Galdar [~Galdar@mail.holsths.dk] has joined #openttd 09:53:10 <Galdar> What am I supposed to do if I want this for OSX, anyone here who can tell me how, or you guys might at have guide of some sort? 09:53:55 <dih> google translate? ^^ 09:54:06 <dih> just kidding ;-) 09:54:11 <peter1138> there are some OS X builds floating around, i suppose 09:54:22 <dih> someone at the tt-forums built 1.0.0 for os x 09:54:29 <dih> never tried it - perhaps pm knows more 10:05:51 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 10:06:57 <Galdar> this one works well :) 10:06:58 <Galdar> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=47856&hilit=osx 10:07:14 <dih> Galdar: on which os exactly? 10:07:19 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.127] has joined #openttd 10:08:53 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:12:35 *** nico [5bcfd10d@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:12:43 <nico> hello 10:13:02 <nico> i was wondering where the downloaded AIs were stocked 10:13:18 <nico> because I tried moving the folder to another computer who cannot access the internet to get the AIs 10:13:21 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:25 <nico> and there isn't any :< 10:13:26 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:17:17 <nico> or, how could i change the default port to download the in game contents? 10:17:26 <nico> please? :3 10:19:37 <blathijs> nico: What port exactly and why do you want that? 10:20:41 <jordi> blathijs: I need someone to test 1.0.0 in lucid and confirm SDL works ok 10:20:43 <nico> cause the port of the in-game downloader is blocked here 10:20:59 <nico> i vpn'd at home to download the files using the in game downloader 10:21:09 <nico> then transfered the openttd folder 10:21:24 <nico> and there wasn't any of the things i had downloaded, yet they are present on the distant computer 10:21:40 <jordi> if there's any Ubuntu lucid user here, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openttd/+bug/556593 10:21:58 <dih> jordi: what's with a vm? 10:22:00 <OwenS> nico, they're stored under your user profile folder 10:22:36 <jordi> dih: lack of time 10:22:40 <nico> oh! 10:22:42 <nico> indeed :3 10:22:43 <nico> thanks 10:23:03 <jordi> dih: also, I'm happy with how well openttd works on squeeze right now. :) 10:23:12 <dih> ^^ 10:23:14 <blathijs> jordi: I'm already booting up beta-1 in Virtualbox :-) 10:23:16 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBB2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:23:30 <blathijs> Though it seems to be either really slow or not working right now 10:29:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF814F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:30:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D190.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:33:16 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:33:42 *** elmz_ [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 10:33:51 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34:08 *** Yexo [~Yexo@205-89-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:34:37 *** Yexo [~Yexo@205-89-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 10:34:52 *** lolman_ [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has joined #openttd 10:38:47 *** lolman [~Holygoat@cust247-dsl93-89-128.idnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:39:27 <blathijs> Bah, Lucid doesn't run in Virtualbox due to a virtualbox / kernel bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virtualbox-ose/+bug/510571 10:39:33 <blathijs> Perhaps without ACPI 10:40:11 <Noldo> dual booting is the way to go 10:40:37 <Galdar> dih os x snow 10:40:38 <blathijs> Noldo: Not for just doing some testing on the openttd package, really 10:40:51 <blathijs> Noldo: Also, I don't have any free disk partitions for dual booting :-) 10:41:00 <Noldo> lvm <3 10:41:30 <blathijs> s/free disk partitions/unassigned lvm space/ 10:41:38 <Noldo> :) 10:41:48 <OwenS> ZFS > LVM :P 10:41:59 <blathijs> I've already had to free up space to download the ISO :-) 10:42:07 <TrueBrain> omg, not that discusion again 10:42:11 <OwenS> :P 10:43:27 *** TT1a1a1 [~mIRC@5ad5d388.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:43:34 <TT1a1a1> hey guys 10:43:47 <TT1a1a1> first off, congrats on the release of version 1 10:43:51 *** Galdar [~Galdar@mail.holsths.dk] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:44:05 <TT1a1a1> second, what can i do to get on an authorities good side? 10:44:13 <TT1a1a1> apart from bribes 10:45:05 <OwenS> TT1a1a1, good service, tree bribes 10:45:10 <planetmaker> good service to stations in their area of influence and patience 10:45:26 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8cd40.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:45:31 <TT1a1a1> cant get a foothold in the area 10:45:49 <planetmaker> First build your stations while it is allowed, then the infrastructure. 10:45:52 <OwenS> Then tree bribe them: Demolish all their trees and replace them. They forget you demolished them in the first place :p 10:45:56 <planetmaker> For now build in another city :-) 10:46:27 <TT1a1a1> ah, ill try the tree bribe 10:46:38 <TT1a1a1> could do with a better way to do that 10:46:55 <TT1a1a1> maybe a 'assainate council leader' option 10:46:58 <TT1a1a1> lol 10:47:35 <TT1a1a1> no other cities left, playing the UK scenario and have been spending my time linking up scotlands towns 10:49:55 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.27.246] has joined #openttd 10:51:20 <dih> fast forward, start over, ... 10:53:54 <dih> http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/ <- heh! 10:54:30 <TT1a1a1> whats the plan now that version one is out? are there plans to expand it out to new features? 10:55:06 <planetmaker> no. It will be left as is and we all now start working on OpenRealism 10:55:32 <TT1a1a1> whats that? 10:56:03 <planetmaker> a moderately funny answer to a moderately sensible question :-) 10:56:03 <dih> a commercial clone of openttd just more realistic 10:56:43 <planetmaker> Well... anyone could even sell it :-) 10:56:45 <dih> there already is a contract with atari 10:56:46 <planetmaker> even now :-) 10:57:20 <dih> had a legal battle with CS, but he lost 10:57:27 * dih coughs 10:57:31 * dih chokes 10:57:37 <planetmaker> :-D 10:58:31 <planetmaker> TT1a1a1, honestly: sure it will go on. There's no "vision" yet as what constitutes a version 2.0, though 10:58:54 <TT1a1a1> ah cool 10:58:59 <dih> but everybody has a vision of what could be done 10:59:09 <dih> at least i assume they do ^^ 10:59:10 <planetmaker> but development already progressed passed 1.0 10:59:16 <planetmaker> with some very nifty features :-) 10:59:28 <planetmaker> dih, I don't think so. 10:59:36 <dih> uh... what have i missed in the past 10 days? 10:59:41 <planetmaker> Many people have a length wishlist of this and that patch or so. 10:59:45 <planetmaker> But vision? Few 10:59:47 <planetmaker> Very few 10:59:50 <dih> at least yexo should have some bright ideas ^^ 10:59:53 <TT1a1a1> definitely, im well impressed so far 11:00:03 <planetmaker> collection of ideas != vision :-) 11:00:26 <dih> but a vision requires ideas ^^ 11:00:42 <dih> at least that kind of 'vision' ^^ 11:01:04 <TT1a1a1> i dont think the ideas are the issue, its how to deliver them inside the game 11:01:22 <TT1a1a1> whether they are turned on or not 11:01:44 <planetmaker> The issue of a new vision rather is "what general direction do we want to go" - not the level of "this feature or that" 11:01:58 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-204-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:02:05 <planetmaker> cargodist + 3d + multicore + mmorp is no vision. 11:02:14 <TT1a1a1> lol 11:02:16 <TT1a1a1> agreed 11:02:32 <dih> no - it's sillyness ^^ 11:02:48 <planetmaker> not really :-P 11:03:37 <planetmaker> I think adding "multicore" in some way to the vision might be a good thing; maybe also a re-worked client-server model 11:03:41 <dih> 3d + multicore? 11:04:08 <planetmaker> dih, yes... 11:04:33 <planetmaker> I don't say it's easy, I'm aware of all the threads which result in "not possible" 11:04:44 <dih> ^^ 11:05:04 <dih> the gui just was reworked ^^ 11:05:05 <planetmaker> But given the way hardware development goes, the trend clearly is that people don't own the super high end computer anymore, but the number crunching is done on servers. 11:05:11 <Noldo> openttd is a single core app bt desing 11:05:16 <planetmaker> And bandwidth gets cheaper 11:05:50 <planetmaker> I don't claim I have an idea on the implementation side nor any detailed idea about it. But *something* in that direction might seem sensible. 11:05:58 <dih> openttd is very low on bw compared to other games, but again, comparing, openttd has a huge state 11:06:18 <planetmaker> "on bw"? 11:06:26 <planetmaker> nvm. bandwidth 11:06:55 <dih> erm - run a css server at home with it's 800GB traffic a month and see what your isp tells you ^^ 11:07:06 <planetmaker> yes. So there might be some trade-off between bandwidth and CPU usage to be considered 11:07:14 <__ln__> *its 11:07:21 <dih> yes, but the css state is small 11:07:25 <dih> compared to openttd 11:07:32 <planetmaker> dih, Those servers surely cannot be run from your dial-up, I know. 11:07:38 <dih> ^^ 11:07:49 <dih> 100 mbit, goot latency..... 11:08:31 <dih> *good 11:08:42 <Mazur> Morning, all. 11:08:59 <jordi> Rubidium, blathijs: this is looking good. 11:09:19 <Mazur> (Well, yes, it is afternoon, I know, I just played rather late, of course.) 11:09:38 <jordi> Rubidium: oops, I hadn't seen your reply 11:10:04 <jordi> Rubidium: thanks for the input 11:10:31 <blathijs> jordi: Yeah, I saw. I'll stop trying to get Ubuntu running now (Trying to compile openttd using only a ramdisk and 512MB of RAM turns out to be hopeless :-p) 11:11:27 <jordi> heh 11:12:41 <Mazur> Would it not be great, if you could predefine a number of combinations of items, so you can build them in one go? 11:12:50 <Rubidium> blathijs: just take the package from OpenTTD's site 11:14:35 <Mazur> Like for instance: I have a developing idea of how to implement a train station, if I could predefine the oombination(s), I would keep forgetting to build all the details like a busstop, a lorry bay and a depot. 11:14:49 <Mazur> would not 11:15:28 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:16:14 <Mazur> Or to buy adjacent land for expansion when the time comes. 11:17:54 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@s5591716a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:20:06 *** nico [5bcfd10d@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:22:15 <Mazur> Idea 2: I would be most convenient, if in train orders one could designate trains as either: Stopping Train (Meaning visit each station along the road) or IC (Meaning: Only visit those stations mentioned, pass the rest by if possible). 11:22:47 <Rubidium> you can already do that 11:23:02 <Rubidium> go non-stop to vs go to 11:23:09 <Mazur> Non-stop does the second half, not non-stop the first. 11:23:16 <Mazur> Yes, I realised. 11:25:07 <Mazur> Idea 3: Would it not be convenient to be able to have trains run from the end backwards through the list, instead of having to visit each intervening station again for say, a stopping train? 11:25:30 <Rubidium> that idea's not new either 11:25:33 <Mazur> Ooptional, of course, one might want a circle line. 11:25:52 <Mazur> Implemented? 11:26:11 <Rubidium> no, but it's suggested literally hundreds of times 11:26:18 <Mazur> Ah, ok. 11:26:45 <Mazur> Well, I was bound to have a non-original idea, as well. 11:26:55 <Mazur> :-D 11:28:54 <Mazur> I was a bit disappointed yesterday, when a group of 4 sharing trains took a different route back to the starting point, through a very crowded and overused station. But I'll be using waypoints in the future. 11:29:27 *** elmz_ [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29:39 *** heffer [~felix@82.113.121.164] has joined #openttd 11:30:00 <Mazur> I find Signs to be dreadfully helpful, by the way, I've been using them a lot yesterday when revamping my train network. 11:30:59 <Mazur> Making a sign everwhere where I was redesigning, to help memorise which track was supposed to go where. 11:31:30 <Mazur> Cleared out most of my spaghetti. 11:34:48 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 11:39:16 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:50:02 *** heffer [~felix@82.113.121.164] has quit [Quit: heffer] 11:59:59 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@115.108.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 12:03:44 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a58b:48f4:3cb0:f905] has joined #openttd 12:03:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:05:49 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19571 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3739]: The timetable button was not automatically raised (sbr) 12:06:16 <planetmaker> Rubidium, should be restarted 12:13:08 *** ptr_ [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 12:13:09 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:13:09 *** ptr_ is now known as ptr 12:13:40 <planetmaker> by now :-) 12:13:58 <planetmaker> (but same map) 12:15:17 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:37 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:17:08 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 12:46:18 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:40 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:48:08 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:29 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:00:03 <Jupix> what's a XXXX_z0m.png file? 13:00:14 <dih> an image 13:00:27 <Jupix> heh hee, i was asking for that, wasn't i 13:01:06 <Jupix> point was, what's its relation to 32bit-EZ 13:02:38 <Jupix> CC mask perhaps? 13:04:37 <Belugas> hello 13:04:51 <Rubidium> hello Belugas 13:06:34 <Belugas> sir master Rubidium, i humbly bow in front of you and present my most sincere salutations 13:06:57 <dih> oh my - this is getting ugly ^^ 13:07:50 <Rubidium> dih: what is? 13:10:32 <blathijs> jordi: Awesome, Ubuntu granted the exception :-D 13:10:33 <dih> imagining belugs with his oh so sincere salutiataions ^^ 13:10:45 <dih> *belugas 13:11:12 <__ln__> dih: you can't dereference belugas unless he's a pointer 13:15:51 <Rubidium> blathijs: that'll make many people happy! 13:15:51 <Belugas> i point out me deference to those who i consider worth it :) 13:16:00 <Belugas> you had yours too, dih ;) 13:16:03 <Belugas> jealous!!!! 13:16:28 <Rubidium> blathijs: so, only the "sparc" issue remains (did you or jordi poke sparc@buildd.d.o?) 13:17:16 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:19:02 <Rubidium> blathijs: did "we" ever test installing our OpenTTD packages over Debian's? 13:20:17 <jordi> blathijs: ha, fantastic 13:20:29 <jordi> hopefully 1.0.0 is a good enough version 13:20:38 <jordi> because getting 1.0.1 is going to be fscking hard 13:21:20 <Rubidium> jordi: but then they can download "our" package which should get all the other stuff from Ubuntu's repository 13:22:28 <jordi> "our" package is made by blathijs I assume, right? 13:22:37 <Rubidium> jordi: nah, by our compile farm 13:22:42 <jordi> ie, it's compatible, no file collisions, etc? 13:22:55 <jordi> "made by" means the debian/ dir is the same as in Debian 13:23:12 <Rubidium> no, it's slightly different to not make two packages 13:23:16 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a58b:48f4:3cb0:f905] has joined #openttd 13:23:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 13:23:28 <Rubidium> and the changelog's content is different 13:23:32 <jordi> uhm. hopefully it has the necessary replaces 13:23:35 <Rubidium> the rest should (now again) be the same 13:24:34 <blathijs> Rubidium: Hmm, I was going to test that, but I think I didn't 13:24:39 <Rubidium> oh, and it doesn't have the depends/recommends yet 13:24:56 <blathijs> jordi: It should have the necessary stuff, it just hasn't been tested yet I think 13:25:09 <blathijs> Rubidium: I'll try to test that later today 13:25:31 <Rubidium> lovely... 1.0.0 won't replace 1.0.0-1 :) 13:25:36 <Rubidium> that's "good" 13:25:59 <jordi> Rubidium: what do you mean "replace"? 13:26:10 <jordi> absence of Debian revision implies -0, if you mean that 13:26:39 <Rubidium> jordi: that it fails to downgrade it (not sure whether that's right or not) 13:26:52 <Rubidium> building a .deb with a much newer version to properly test it 13:27:14 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@115.108.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 13:27:19 <blathijs> Rubidium: Downgrade what to where? 13:28:02 <Rubidium> 1.0.0-1 to 1.0.0 13:28:44 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a58b:48f4:3cb0:f905] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:29:28 <blathijs> Hmm, I see that now as well. It considers removing openttd-data (which it should), but doesn't for some reason I don't understand 13:29:48 <blathijs> Perhaps because it is a downgrade? That's probably what you mean by building a newer version, then. 13:29:59 <blathijs> Rubidium: Why is the version number 1.0.0, not 1.0.0-1 ? 13:32:12 *** Galdar [~Galdar@94.145.61.163] has joined #openttd 13:33:09 <Rubidium> blathijs: because I didn't add the -1 in changelog I think; after all, it's not an official Debian package 13:33:39 <blathijs> Rubidium: No, but it's not a Debian native package either (which is what the current version number says) 13:33:56 <blathijs> Something like 1.0.0~openttd.org-1 might be better, then? 13:34:00 <Rubidium> blathijs: but as jordi says, it implies -0 13:34:16 *** Timmaexx [~Germany@port-92-192-126-187.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:34:18 <Rubidium> so I guess we'll just go with -0 from now on (if I don't forget) 13:35:16 <blathijs> Not sure if -0 is distinguishable from no debian revision everywhere 13:35:47 <blathijs> How about -1~openttd.org ? That's similar to what bpo does? 13:36:26 <blathijs> Rubidium: Btw, upgrading from Debian rc3 to openttd.org 1.0.0 doesn't work either, same error 13:36:47 <Rubidium> ah, shouldn't have added the Conflicts, that conflicts with Replaces 13:37:59 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38:20 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:42:42 <blathijs> Rubidium: Dunno, I thought it was obvious from reading the policy manual before, but now I don't exactly get the difference between the two uses of Replaces anymore 13:43:05 <blathijs> Here: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-replaces 13:43:13 <blathijs> jordi: Any comments on that? 13:47:47 <blathijs> Rubidium: It seems aptitude handles the Conflicts line just fine, when I put the openttd.org version in a repository 13:48:08 <Rubidium> dpkg doesn't 13:48:15 <blathijs> Even when downgrading 13:52:10 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:11 <blathijs> Rubidium: Removing the Conflicts line just makes things more confusing 13:52:31 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:52:48 <blathijs> Rubidium: It does install, but it keeps openttd-data around (since there are some files that aren't replaced, like stuff in /usr/share/doc/openttd-data and some directories in /usr/share/games/openttd/) 13:53:22 <blathijs> Let's ask #debian-devel 13:53:45 <Rubidium> so the 'current' package is 'better' :( 13:54:51 <Rubidium> and how to force the package building to perform the patch for openttd-wrapper? 13:55:10 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:31 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:56:20 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:42 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:57:09 *** TT1a1a1 [~mIRC@5ad5d388.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: He who asks a question may be a fool for five minutes, but he who never asks a question remains a fool forever] 13:58:54 <blathijs> Rubidium: Using dpkg --auto-deconfigure does work 13:59:27 <blathijs> Rubidium: Which is what dpkg suggests when it fails 14:01:09 <Rubidium> now I only need to figure out how to get the openttd-wrapper patch applied when creating the package 14:01:25 <Rubidium> from just a source checkout + ln -s os/debian debian 14:03:47 <blathijs> Rubidium: Do you have quilt? 14:04:02 <Rubidium> blathijs: Yexo 14:04:12 <Rubidium> blathijs: yes... tab completing words doesn't work :( 14:04:14 <planetmaker> what kind of openttd-wrapper patch is that you talk about? 14:04:36 <blathijs> Rubidium: Try running "QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt push -a" before building 14:04:59 <blathijs> planetmaker: It's a patch to make the .desktop file call openttd-wrapper instead of openttd 14:05:11 <blathijs> planetmaker: And the wrapper captures stderr and shows it if needed 14:05:39 <planetmaker> ah... so that even non-xterm users are able to capture that? Nice :-) 14:05:40 <blathijs> planetmaker: It's ugly (uses xmessage), but it beats silent failure :-) 14:05:55 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:05:58 <planetmaker> yup, very much so. 14:07:13 <blathijs> Rubidium: What do you use for building? Just calling dpkg-buildpackage? 14:08:16 <Rubidium> debian/rules binary (at the moment at least) 14:09:24 <blathijs> Rubidium: It seems dpkg-buildpackage doesn't do any patch application either, so that won't matter 14:09:30 <Rubidium> blathijs: http://rbijker.net/openttd/foes.diff <- the current difference (openttd-wrapper and NEWS are trailing whitespace) 14:10:50 <blathijs> Rubidium: Only dpkg-source does so, but then you need to build a source package and then extract it, since dpkg-source doesn't just seem to have a "only apply patches" command 14:10:57 <blathijs> Rubidium: So using quilt is probably best 14:12:56 <blathijs> Rubidium: If you want to minimize the diff, I'd still install everything into debian/tmp and just put a single line "debian/tmp" into openttd.install 14:15:24 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:45 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:16:38 *** Timmaexx [~Germany@port-92-192-126-187.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17:24 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:28 <Rubidium> yay... the package works 14:17:40 <Rubidium> now I only need to 'fix' the compile farm 14:17:47 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:18:47 <blathijs> Rubidium: As for the replaces/conflicts thing, #debian-devel thinks it is intended to work like this (though they're not entirely sure) and don't know how to fix this in the package 14:19:10 <Rubidium> okay, then we'll leave it at conflicts + replaces 14:19:21 <Rubidium> and I'll mess with the CF after tonight's run 14:19:25 <blathijs> Rubidium: but I guess our users that are smart enough to run "dpkg -i" in a console are probably smart enough to add the --auto-deconfigure when dpkg suggests so 14:23:10 <Rubidium> okay, going from 1.0.0-1 to 1.1~svn-0 and back seems to go fine (for -> 1.1~svn-0 the --auto-deconfigure is needed) 14:23:41 <Rubidium> now some time for something else 14:24:56 *** kyo313 [~kyo@92.3.9.107] has joined #openttd 14:26:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:19 *** RockerTimmy [~RockerTim@82-171-163-93.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:27:06 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 14:30:05 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:36:31 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:39:17 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 14:41:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 14:46:24 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:46 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:52:02 <Mazur> Is there a way to have a platform allow two trains to unload, one after the other? 14:52:14 <Mazur> Or load. 14:52:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19572 /trunk/os/debian/ (14 files in 3 dirs): -Change: sync Debian packaging updates from Debian, but keep building a single package 14:52:57 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19573 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Fix (r19541): Special cargos did not appear at the refit list. 14:54:52 <Mazur> Looking on the web I did not find it can, so i suppose not. 14:55:32 <Mazur> Of course, leave a gap in hte station with a signal between. 14:55:43 <Mazur> Dumb, dumb, dumb. 14:57:42 <Mazur> Except they'll start stopping at the first signal again, of course. 14:59:01 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 15:02:28 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has joined #openttd 15:05:00 *** kannerke [~pvandenb@83.101.79.237] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:06:38 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:59 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:09:09 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:30 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:10:35 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF814F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:26 *** glx_ is now known as glx 15:20:32 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 15:20:36 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19574 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Fix: graphs were not properly updated when going toggling keys (i.e. companies) 15:22:09 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:36 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:23:00 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:30:10 *** jpx_ [jpx_@e83-245-140-61.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 15:33:32 *** jpx_ [jpx_@e83-245-140-61.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:47:32 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.127] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:51:34 *** V4530000 [~V453000@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:53:19 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:53:32 *** Hirundo_ [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:54:32 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:58:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74BC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:09:21 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 16:09:25 *** Galdar [~Galdar@94.145.61.163] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:09:28 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:09:37 <Mazur> Here's my solution to my previous problem: http://53551a99.cable.casema.nl/pics/Double_length_Station.png 16:09:46 *** Galdar [~Galdar@94.145.61.163] has joined #openttd 16:09:49 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:10:13 <Mazur> Any comments? I saee the eight platform is not loading, and have not yet deciphered why. 16:10:15 <planetmaker> Mazur, you should seriously consider to open a thread about your findings in the tt-forums. 16:10:31 <planetmaker> Just not sure wheter screenshots or problems ;-) 16:10:52 <Mazur> Should I? I'd hardly expect to do any groundbreaking work here. 16:11:10 <Mazur> Only my first game, still. 16:11:33 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 16:12:09 <Mazur> planetmaker: Well, I can be a problem, I suppose. 16:12:15 <Mazur> ;-P 16:12:29 <planetmaker> I don't know wether it's ground working ;-) But it might a) be easier to review, if coherently described in a single posting and b) fetch the attention of those people who like to deal with that - but which aren't always online 16:13:53 <Mazur> Is this a polite way to say: Shut up, this is not the right place, you're bothering us? 16:14:51 <planetmaker> not really :-) This is the IRC channel related to openttd, both playing and developing, so it's the right place :-) 16:15:06 <Mazur> Ah, ok. 16:15:08 * Rubidium votes for wrong refit 16:15:54 <planetmaker> But... looking at that station, Mazur - it's horribly inefficient. 16:18:21 <Mazur> I suppose so, but from the "far end"/"middle end"/"near end" option I surmised it might be possible to use one platform for two trains simultaniously, and this is the test case. 16:18:33 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:18:54 <Mazur> So initially I just built a double length station, to test it out. 16:19:08 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 16:19:39 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/images/e/ed/PSG176.png <-- if you want something like that build it the fast way, oblique stations. 16:19:40 <Mazur> It became quickly clear I'd jumpewd to the wrong conclusion. 16:19:58 <planetmaker> you can skip the lone entry and exit, if you like, though it cuts on your station's through-put 16:20:45 <Ammler> he, seems like moving DevZone to nginx solved our issues :-) 16:21:13 <planetmaker> (what you see in that image is actually 6 stations - as a single station or saw mill cannot accept the amount of wood which we shipped there :-P ) 16:21:21 <planetmaker> Ammler, that's very good news :-) 16:26:15 *** welshdragon [~markmac@93-152-114-42.xln.managedbroadband.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:26:22 <Ammler> I really hope so... 16:27:08 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/images/a/a2/PSG140.PNG <-- Mazur maybe a bit simpler example 16:29:32 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:53 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:32:38 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@s5591716a.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 16:32:38 *** Hirundo_ is now known as Hirundo 16:36:27 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:55 <Mazur> Interesting study material, planetmaker. I bookmarked them both, for when I understand signals better, as well. 16:37:22 <planetmaker> Mazur, rather bookmark our PublicServer archive ;-) 16:37:33 <planetmaker> It has ~170 games of that style 16:37:37 <Mazur> Have already done so. 16:37:44 <planetmaker> ok :-) 16:38:03 <Mazur> Seen a few the examples there, too. 16:38:25 <planetmaker> some call it insane, some have fun with it ;-) 16:38:47 <Mazur> For now I'm using this station as a test case, also for learning loading speeds. 16:38:52 <planetmaker> If I play alone, I build usually something in between ;-) Efficient but dynamically grown 16:39:09 <planetmaker> loading speed is given by the wagons. 16:39:26 <planetmaker> And only drastically slower, if the station is too short 16:39:52 <Mazur> I mean which platforms load fastest. 16:40:18 <Mazur> I've noticed a bias towards certain positions. 16:41:09 <planetmaker> platform? 16:41:13 <planetmaker> It doesn't matter 16:41:31 <Mazur> If the production is to the side of the platforms, for instance, the one nearest fills way faster than the farthest. 16:41:43 <planetmaker> nope 16:42:02 <glx> some are good to test PF performance :) 16:42:12 <planetmaker> all station tiles are equal 16:42:40 <planetmaker> probably §1 of the declaration of independent stations or so :-P 16:42:51 <Ammler> [18:38] <planetmaker> some call it insane, some have fun with it ï¿Œ<-- insane is fun :-P 16:42:58 <Mazur> You sure? I thought I'd quite often seen the last train to arrive be one of the first to leave. And most certainly the percentage filled goes faster. 16:43:01 <planetmaker> :-D 16:43:30 <planetmaker> Mazur, the choice of which train gets loaded - that might be a function of the station tile. Dunno 16:43:42 <planetmaker> But the loading speed: I'm 99.5% sure that it doesn't matter. 16:43:42 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:43:56 <planetmaker> The 0.5% might be some kind of transient and weired bug. 16:43:58 <planetmaker> ;-) 16:44:02 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.159] has joined #openttd 16:44:38 <Ammler> glx, our current game is good to test pbs interval, we usually use 1, there we were able to drop cpu from 90 to 50% with rising it to 10 16:44:39 <Mazur> Not if there are no nearer trains, but in a full station, nearest gets filled first. Or so I thought to have seen. 16:45:41 <Ammler> the first time I saw a real game influenced from it 16:47:53 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:48:43 *** andythenorth_ is now known as andythenorth 16:52:37 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@host86-152-230-244.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:54:51 <planetmaker> Mazur, I'm quite sure it's not nearest, but rather the one which occupies the tile with the lowest ID 16:56:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i would have guessed the train with the lowest ID... 16:57:10 <planetmaker> or that :-) 16:57:25 <planetmaker> I've no clue 16:57:44 <planetmaker> But I'm quite sure it does NOT depend upon the distance to the source of the cargo ;-) 16:58:04 <Eddi|zuHause> what a crazy idea :p 16:58:16 <Mazur> Well, that's what I'm trying to find out, by observation. 16:58:17 <planetmaker> which in the case of a station embedded within a town would be quite difficult to determine 16:59:14 <Mazur> Well, I just don't know, do I? :-) But I will. 17:01:02 <Mazur> Just as I will learn all the pitfalls, problems and benefits of using one type of signal over the other, where which type is best, in other words, how to really use them. 17:01:08 <planetmaker> Mazur, then start reading the source code ;-) 17:01:36 <planetmaker> that will most reliably tell you the priority for loading one train or another. 17:01:44 <Mazur> I'd rather not, I expect there is a lot of it. 17:01:58 <planetmaker> 30k lines or so ;-) 17:02:02 <planetmaker> IIRC 17:02:04 <Belugas> naaa... just a few lines... 17:02:10 <Belugas> bummer :P 17:02:17 <planetmaker> :-P 17:02:22 <Mazur> And I prefer to postpone that until I understand the game mechanics better from playing. 17:02:29 <planetmaker> so... finally... BBQ is being heated :-) 17:02:36 <planetmaker> catch you later :-) 17:02:42 <Mazur> Eat well, 17:02:44 *** Adambean [CG1@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 17:02:53 * Mazur is also starting on dinner. 17:02:56 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 17:10:18 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:09 * Belugas has finished his lunch during meeting-conference call 17:22:17 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has joined #openttd 17:22:17 *** welshdragon [~markmac@93-152-114-42.xln.managedbroadband.co.uk] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 17:24:04 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 17:24:12 <ddfreyne> is it possible to irrigate land? 17:24:16 <ddfreyne> (probably a silly question) 17:24:35 <Eddi|zuHause> is this civilisation? 17:25:09 <Eddi|zuHause> ddfreyne: what would irrigated land do to a transport company? 17:25:31 <ddfreyne> Eddi|zuHause: give me a little bit of space to fund another industry 17:26:02 <Eddi|zuHause> ddfreyne: what do you think irrigation means? 17:26:19 <ddfreyne> convert desert to green land 17:26:31 <ddfreyne> well, technically not irrigation, but you get the point, I hope 17:27:18 <Eddi|zuHause> no, that is only possible in the scenario editor 17:27:37 *** Aali [~aali@h-90-31.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:28:14 <ddfreyne> right, is what I thought 17:28:22 <ddfreyne> hence the (probably a silly question) :) 17:30:56 *** Aali [~aali@h-90-31.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:33:54 <Belugas> at least, you have the honnor of being the first to ask that question :) 17:34:40 <peter1138> yes, we need settlers, phalanx and other units 17:34:51 <peter1138> irigating and fortifying our territory 17:36:08 <Belugas> hehehe 17:36:15 <ddfreyne> ARCHERS! 17:36:47 <Belugas> nope, sir, nope 17:37:01 <Belugas> archers are considered as an army feature 17:37:07 <Eddi|zuHause> phalanx... sure... but the game can't handle B.C. dates... 17:37:26 <Belugas> and TTD is against any form of violenc, apart from trains creaching trunks 17:37:41 <Belugas> crashing 17:37:41 <glx> there were no trains at time so not a problem :) 17:37:49 <Belugas> oh...right :) 17:38:37 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:32 * ddfreyne ships cannons to New Frentown 17:39:47 <Belugas> sipping is good, using is not :D 17:39:51 <Belugas> shipping 17:39:58 * Belugas shakes his keyboard 17:40:40 * andythenorth is upset that TTD people die in vehicle crashes 17:40:40 * ddfreyne sips on his cannon⊠mm, delicious 17:41:05 <ddfreyne> vehicle crashes? weâre talking war casualties here! 17:41:28 <glx> competition for transport is a war :) 17:41:32 * andythenorth is not talking war 17:41:46 <Belugas> i prefer Canon 17:41:56 * ddfreyne is a Nikon guy, really 17:42:05 <Belugas> :D 17:42:09 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:42:24 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 17:42:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i want cannons on my ship! 17:42:44 * Belugas was aiming for a D5000, but could not afford one. so got a 1000D instead 17:42:51 <Eddi|zuHause> Arrh... 17:43:11 <Belugas> funny how they had the "D" reversed depending of the brand... 17:43:21 <Belugas> hello Nite_Owl 17:43:37 <Belugas> go Eddi|zuHause, go! Draw them nice and nifty! 17:43:39 <Nite_Owl> Hello Belugas 17:44:41 <peter1138> Canon themselves switched the D a few times 17:44:50 * andythenorth is in a world of FAIL 17:45:50 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19575 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:50 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:50 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: estonian - 18 changes by Jaanus 17:45:50 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: hebrew - 13 changes by dnd_man 17:45:50 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: korean - 2 changes by junho2813 17:45:52 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: norwegian_nynorsk - 5 changes by 2rB 17:45:52 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: portuguese - 5 changes by JayCity 17:46:57 <Belugas> you're right, peter1138. i learned something today 17:47:55 <Belugas> EOS D2000, EOS D6000, EOS D30, EOS D60 17:48:07 <Belugas> everything else is xD 17:48:28 <aber> xD? 17:48:48 <glx> #D if you prefer 17:48:51 <Belugas> 1D, 7D, 5D, 300D... 17:49:22 <Belugas> wooo... EOS D6000 : a whoopy 6 megapixel slr 17:49:31 <Nite_Owl> But are they all SLR's 17:49:41 <Belugas> yup 17:49:55 <Nite_Owl> no matter where the D is ?? 17:49:56 <Belugas> http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/dslr/chrono_1995-.html 17:50:20 <aber> if prefer '0' | ('1'..'9') ('0' .. '9')*D 17:50:20 <Belugas> branding 17:50:33 <Belugas> the D is just for Digital 17:50:34 <Prof_Frink> DD? 17:51:52 <Nite_Owl> noisy landscapers 17:52:04 <Nite_Owl> outside my window 17:52:19 <Nite_Owl> trimming hedges 17:54:23 <Belugas> pour some boiling oil! 17:54:30 <Belugas> that will cool them 17:54:31 <Belugas> hohoho 17:54:59 <Nite_Owl> tough to pour from a one story home 17:55:11 <Nite_Owl> unless I clamber up on the roof 17:55:17 <Prof_Frink> Supersoaker. 17:55:30 <Nite_Owl> while carrying a pot of hot oil 17:55:52 <Nite_Owl> would not the plastic melt\ 17:56:43 <Nite_Owl> they will be gone soon enough - they never stick around for too long 17:57:02 <Nite_Owl> brb 18:00:21 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:50 <Nite_Owl> too late 18:01:26 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:02:23 <Nite_Owl> I cannot get the tree that hangs over my car trimmed this time 18:02:56 <Nite_Owl> it would have been a perfect time too since my car is in the shop and not under the tree 18:03:40 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:04:31 *** Timmaexx [~Germany@port-92-192-126-187.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:05:23 *** ptr [~peter@wpa-219.kthopen.kth.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 18:05:23 <Belugas> indeed :) 18:06:01 *** Timmaexx [~Germany@port-92-192-126-187.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:13 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 18:17:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:23:00 *** Galdar [~Galdar@94.145.61.163] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:24:11 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D190.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:04 *** ragzid [~ragzid@173-231-207-85.jizmorava.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:30:25 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EE0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:32:22 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:35:31 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:52 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:57:51 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 19:01:47 <Mazur> How does servicing work? I have a train last services in october 2310, we are now in may 2313, 2.6 years later, service interval is on 150 days, what gives? 19:02:48 <Nite_Owl> does the train have easy access on its route to a depot ? 19:03:12 <Mazur> Yes, at every station along the route twice, usually. 19:03:54 <Mazur> I have not put a service order in its list. 19:04:23 <Mazur> I'm not (yet) sending it manually, I wanted to check the automatics. 19:04:43 <Rubidium> have you disabled breakdowns? 19:04:49 <Nite_Owl> do you have "breakdowns" turned off ? do you have "no service if breakdowns turned off" on ? 19:05:11 <Mazur> I've not enabled it, more like. 19:05:32 <Mazur> Let me look. 19:07:14 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:07:36 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:07:52 <Mazur> Yep, that was the bugger. 19:07:59 <Mazur> Or simething like it. 19:08:12 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@115.108.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 19:08:13 <Mazur> No servicing is breakdowns are 0. 19:08:17 <Mazur> if 19:08:28 <Mazur> Thanks! 19:08:34 <Alberth> enable breakdowns :p 19:08:50 <Mazur> Nah, i'm still to green for that. 19:08:58 <Mazur> :-) 19:08:59 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1df0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:40 <Nite_Owl> change it from within the saved game with the Advanced Settings 19:10:05 <Nite_Owl> just changing it in the cfg will only effect new games 19:10:22 <Mazur> If I start a new game, will the default settings or my altered settings be used? 19:10:46 <Nite_Owl> depends on where you made the changes 19:10:53 <Alberth> new games use settings from the main menu, existing games use settings from the stored game 19:10:59 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:08 <Nite_Owl> what he said 19:11:20 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:11:20 <Mazur> Through the interface. Guess I'll have to run through the config file, as well. 19:11:37 <Mazur> Thanks. 19:11:45 <Nite_Owl> the main menu will change the cfg 19:11:59 <Nite_Owl> on exit 19:12:01 <Mazur> Ah, ok. 19:12:21 <Nite_Owl> I think it is on exit 19:12:24 <Mazur> Well, I do regularly exit. 19:12:25 <Alberth> yes, it is 19:12:34 <Mazur> Once per day, that is. 19:13:17 <Mazur> I can;t read if my trains keep howling their mournful calls to me. 19:14:04 <Nite_Owl> so make the changes on the main menu, exit out of the game, go back into the game, and start a new game for the changes to take place 19:15:09 <Nite_Owl> otherwise make the changes on the Advanced Settings menu from within a saved game - which will only effect that saved game 19:26:28 *** Adambean [CG1@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 19:28:42 <Mazur> Until you exit that saved game... 19:28:54 <Mazur> ? 19:29:02 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 19:29:28 <Nite_Owl> no - the changes will be saved with the game 19:29:51 <Nite_Owl> or within the saved game 19:31:47 <Mazur> Another weird thing: I have an engine only 5 years out of 20 old, yet it's reliability is listed as 0%? It does very long range 11 car coal hauling. 19:32:53 *** Anon7469 [~Max@93.2.73.139] has joined #openttd 19:33:02 <Anon7469> hello 19:33:40 <Anon7469> somebody ? 19:33:44 <Alberth> no 19:33:46 <PeterT> Hello Anon7469 19:34:03 <Anon7469> ty peter 19:34:28 <Anon7469> you play tycoon in network ? 19:34:42 <Alberth> only OpenTTD 19:34:53 <PeterT> Anon7469: You mean multiplayer? 19:35:00 <Anon7469> yes 19:35:19 <Anon7469> i want to taste it^^ 19:35:31 <Anon7469> so many years i play this game 19:35:41 <PeterT> Go ahead 19:36:08 <Anon7469> but i didn't succeed in joining a lan 19:36:55 <Alberth> LAN means your local network 19:37:00 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1df0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:15 <Anon7469> sorry i mean to say multiplayer online 19:37:29 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1df0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:37:48 <PeterT> why didn't you suceed? 19:37:53 <PeterT> what server, and what version? 19:37:53 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-114-159.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:37:58 <Alberth> MP on the Internet is done by selecting "Internet" instead of LAN 19:37:59 <PeterT> and error messages 19:38:09 <Nite_Owl> Mazur: Reliability is based on the last time the engine was serviced 19:38:54 <Anon7469> i don' have the good OTTD 19:39:01 <Anon7469> that's the message 19:39:15 <PeterT> ok 19:39:24 <Anon7469> because of grf ?? 19:39:28 <PeterT> You need the same version as the server 19:39:29 <Nite_Owl> if you have been having trouble with servicing then that is why the reliability is 0% 19:39:38 <Anon7469> ah 19:40:17 <Anon7469> ok got the 0.6.0 19:40:17 <Nite_Owl> without breakdowns turned on reliability becomes a non issue 19:40:28 <Anon7469> it too old 19:40:31 <Anon7469> see 1.0.0 19:40:33 <PeterT> Yes, download 1.0.0 19:40:37 <Ammler> yes, around 2 years 19:40:41 <PeterT> http://www.openttd.org/en/download-stable 19:41:06 <Alberth> Anon7469: http://www.openttd.org/en/servers shows the known servers, there is no 0.6.0 there 19:41:43 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:41:44 <Mazur> Ah, thanks, Nit_Owl, so I should just add servicing to that groups orders. Or lower their service interval. 19:42:03 <Anon7469> ty for the tip 19:42:05 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:42:09 <PeterT> Anon7469: sort by compatibility 19:42:28 <PeterT> it will only show servers that have the same version as you 19:43:11 <Anon7469> i can't sort by it 19:43:21 <Anon7469> is it the red light ? 19:43:39 <PeterT> Hit the little button about the flags 19:44:40 <Anon7469> i did it 19:44:48 <Anon7469> all red 19:44:50 <PeterT> and they are all red? 19:44:58 <PeterT> You downloaded 1.0.0 and installed it, right? 19:45:03 <Anon7469> not yet 19:45:18 <PeterT> Do that 19:45:27 <Nite_Owl> Mazur: Actually you could raise the service interval since it really does not matter 19:45:29 <PeterT> because you can't join 0.6.0 servers if there are none 19:46:30 <Anon7469> ty so much 19:46:53 <PeterT> You're welcome. 19:47:15 <Nite_Owl> the main reason to keep the "turn off servicing if breakdowns are set to none" setting on is so that you can still use the auto replacement feature 19:47:23 <Anon7469> ^^ 19:47:33 <Anon7469> this is so beautiful 19:50:51 <Nite_Owl> I play with breakdowns set to none - servicing on when breakdowns are set to none - vehicle servicing set to 365 days (once a year) - and I use go to depot orders when maintenance is needed 19:53:03 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:53:03 *** Alberth is now known as Guest1661 19:53:03 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 19:55:07 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:51 *** Guest1661 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:36 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF814F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:02:12 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 20:05:10 <peter1138> hmm, newzbin still running, heh 20:07:04 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:25 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:10:06 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: alberth * r19576 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_gui.cpp settings.cpp settings_func.h): -Codechange: Unduplicating parse_intlist(). 20:13:44 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1df0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:41 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1df0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:23 *** moot [moot@nom.nom.delicious.strawberrycupcak.es] has joined #openttd 20:24:18 <moot> So I understand the basics of the game, but I can't seem to make any profits. I start with a hanful of bus stations in the three or so biggest cities, but my profits never amount to more than 3k a year, is there something I'm missing? 20:24:44 <moot> hm, okay, that's really vague 20:24:57 <Alberth> buses are not the most profitable way of making money 20:25:28 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:25:29 <moot> Obviously. I just figured I should start small 20:26:33 <Nite_Owl> coal mines to power plants with trains at approx. 60 to 90 tiles distance 20:26:47 <Alberth> coal with a train is better, or a long airplane connection 20:26:56 <moot> I see. 20:28:14 <Alberth> if you like pax, you can do a train service between two cities, but you need a lot of trains for a regular service 20:28:14 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19577 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_gui.cpp settings.cpp settings_func.h): -Codechange: apply coding style to names of functions in settings.cpp 20:28:55 <Alberth> especially in the beginning when the engines are slow 20:30:01 <Alberth> under 'graphs' there is a 'cargo payment' window that shows how much you get for each type of cargo 20:30:23 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:47 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:32:57 <TrueBrain> orudge: did the tt-forums bandwidth increased with our /.? 20:35:26 <moot> Wow. 20:35:33 <moot> Managed to crash trains within the first five minutes 20:35:39 <Jolteon> fail 20:35:42 <Jolteon> No signals? 20:36:02 <moot> Not yet. I've never run a line with more than one train on it 20:36:11 <moot> hell, I haven't even been playing for a full day 20:36:46 <Alberth> the 'ignore signal' button tends to be dangerous :p 20:37:30 <moot> I'm still working on setting up a business that doesn't go bankrupt in the first decade 20:37:38 <moot> haven't even begun to touch signals 20:38:58 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:39:42 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc1df0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:03 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:45 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has quit [Quit: welshdragon] 20:49:44 *** welshdragon [~markmac@147.143.254.98] has joined #openttd 20:51:59 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:56:25 *** sbizna [~sbizna@nat.tejat.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:42 *** fjb [~frank@p5485EE0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:35 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@115.108.200-77.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 21:00:22 <sbizna> is there already an OSX build of 1.0.0 floating around? 21:00:37 <PeterT> Yes. 21:00:43 <sbizna> drat. 21:00:44 <PeterT> General OpenTTD forums 21:01:03 <sbizna> is there a reason it's not on the download page? 21:01:12 <welshdragon> it's unofficial 21:01:15 <PeterT> It's not supported 21:01:30 <sbizna> drat. 21:01:34 <welshdragon> why? 21:01:40 <Terkhen> sbizna: https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=45247 21:02:05 <PeterT> I asked for that topic to be sticked, and yet people don't see it. 21:02:46 <sbizna> I just put some time into building one of my own, when I could've saved it if I'd Googled a litte harder 21:03:15 <sbizna> I knew it didn't have a Mac dev 21:03:16 <sbizna> er, doesn't 21:03:28 <sbizna> mine runs okay on Snow Leopard 21:03:35 <__ln__> does that version contain the original data files? 21:04:19 <sbizna> I smooshed the OpenGFX and OpenSFX data files into it 21:06:11 <sbizna> I should be more specific... by "runs okay" I mean "starts up..." I haven't stress tested it yet. 21:07:38 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DB86.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:07 <andythenorth> I have been building my own Mac nightlies for ages (10.5). I have few problems 21:09:38 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-214-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 21:11:42 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 21:15:09 <moot> sweet 21:15:13 <moot> finally have a profit margin 21:15:16 <moot> thanks for the tip 21:15:22 <moot> I just needed the right start 21:15:43 <andythenorth> coal is the money maker in the standard game 21:15:57 <andythenorth> or passengers between two cities with about 1,000 inhabitants 21:16:14 <Belugas> going zhome! 21:16:16 <Belugas> bye bye 21:16:42 <ddfreyne> I funded two industries (£4M) and still make a yearly profit now :) 21:16:47 <andythenorth> bye 21:17:05 <ddfreyne> seeya 21:18:29 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19578 /trunk/src/settings.cpp: -Codechange: do not accept commas at invalid places in ParseIntList() 21:19:52 <planetmaker> Rubidium, you might want to grab the desync data 21:22:03 <Rubidium> planetmaker: okay 21:22:23 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19579 /trunk/src/graph_gui.cpp: -Codechange: auto-raise 'Enable/Disable all' buttons in the Cargo payment rates window 21:23:02 <ddfreyne> moot: in my experience, cargo types donât matter that much⊠the further away source and destination are, the bigger the pay (but the longer it is under way, the lower the pay, so train speed matters) 21:23:16 <planetmaker> ~25 minutes ago one occured. 21:23:34 <planetmaker> 30 21:24:01 <ddfreyne> moot: when using multiple trains, build two parallel tracks in opposite directions and use basic signals for each direction⊠stations need signals to; theyâre a bit more advanced 21:24:29 <ddfreyne> </random-hints> :> 21:24:39 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19580 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Codechange: auto-raise 'Enable/Disable all' buttons in the Smallmap window 21:24:40 <Rubidium> planetmaker: lovely... only after (almost) 2 hours 21:24:46 <planetmaker> yep 21:24:55 <planetmaker> seems to take (always) that long 21:25:01 <planetmaker> but not 100% sure 21:25:40 <ddfreyne> questionâŠÂ why are there two path signals in front of the station here? seem fairly useless⊠http://wiki.openttd.org/images/c/cb/Terminus.png 21:25:44 <Rubidium> for a server running 6.5 hours 21:25:59 <planetmaker> Though perception with single - digit number of cases can be easily caused by bad statistics 21:26:34 <Rubidium> @calc (747946 - 738945)/74 21:26:34 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 121.635135135 21:26:41 <planetmaker> MB data? 21:26:45 <Rubidium> @calc (747946 - 738945) 21:26:45 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 9001 21:27:10 <Rubidium> 9000 days, that's a lot 21:28:16 *** sbizna [~sbizna@nat.tejat.net] has quit [Quit: soy sauce] 21:29:58 <Rubidium> oh my... 21:30:04 <Rubidium> [2010-04-07 22:53:46] cmd: 000b6998; 00000023; d; 000000; 00000004; 00000000; a880043; 21:30:11 <Rubidium> last command before the desync 21:30:24 <fjb> ddfreyne: That are the exit Signals for the platforms. 21:31:01 <ddfreyne> fjb: with path signals those should not be necessary, should they? itâs already a path-signalled block, after all 21:31:14 <Rubidium> [2010-04-06 23:01:06] cmd: 000b10c6; 00000015; 6; 000000; 0000000e; 00000000; a880043; 21:31:22 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-mlimmlgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:24 <Rubidium> that's from just before the other desync 21:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> ddfreyne: they become necessary in case you want to extend the line on the other end 21:31:47 <ddfreyne> Eddi|zuHause: ahh! good point, thanks 21:31:57 <moot> I've yet to wrap my mind around signals 21:32:26 <Eddi|zuHause> plus, they look better 21:32:29 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:40 <fjb> Path signals are easy. Throw them in where a waiting train would not block anything important. 21:33:15 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19581 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Codechange: auto-raise 'All facilities/cargos' buttons in the Station list window 21:33:29 <ddfreyne> path signals are very powerful⊠i love them for terminus stations 21:34:02 <planetmaker> Rubidium, what does that tell me? I'm not quite into reading those command logs yet... 21:34:03 <ddfreyne> terminus stations with lots and lots of tracks and lots of entries/exits :) 21:34:40 <planetmaker> 00000000 a880043 is the same... 21:36:15 *** Hirundo is now known as Jasper 21:36:20 <planetmaker> brb 21:36:32 *** Jasper is now known as Hirundo 21:37:03 <Nite_Owl> Time to fly - later all 21:37:10 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 21:37:51 <Rubidium> planetmaker: same command, only different company taking over different company 21:38:11 <Rubidium> planetmaker: however, the a880043 happens only once in both logs 21:38:21 <Rubidium> planetmaker: and only shortly before the desync 21:38:46 <Rubidium> and you with #openttdcoop not having problems with it is simply because you never go bankrupt 21:40:31 <Eddi|zuHause> do you desync-debug trunk or cargodist? 21:40:35 <Rubidium> although I now realise that some useful information is missing in commands-out.log 21:40:39 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@242-174.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:41:53 * AC6000 sneaks in and takes a seat 21:42:19 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: neither 21:42:24 *** Anon7469 [~Max@93.2.73.139] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 21:46:12 <planetmaker> back 21:46:15 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: 1.0 21:46:31 <AC6000> hey planet :P 21:47:24 <planetmaker> hey AC6000 21:47:33 <AC6000> how be? 21:48:04 <planetmaker> not bad albeit quite busy :-) 21:48:17 <AC6000> lol 21:49:16 <AC6000> so am i, i have to paint a 7 1/2" gauge locomotive and the livery is a pain to do... 21:51:03 <planetmaker> :-) 21:51:23 <AC6000> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=316017&nseq=27 thats the livery 21:52:44 <planetmaker> please fit me in as I don't recall: what set do you paint that for? 21:52:58 <planetmaker> in any case it looks like a nice engine :-) 21:53:14 <AC6000> set? 21:54:21 <planetmaker> uhm... ... I'm probably subject to amnesia as it seems that I should know that you paint those engines... but I don't ;-) 21:55:02 <AC6000> oh, well its my first time painting one :P 21:55:19 <planetmaker> ah :-) 21:55:21 <AC6000> it gunna be real fun to do the logo <_< 21:55:26 <AC6000> *its 21:56:01 <Eddi|zuHause> how much is 7 1/2" in real measures? 21:56:14 <planetmaker> @calc 7.5*2.5 21:56:14 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 18.75 21:56:20 *** Jolteon [~Jolt@rdlbnc.com] has quit [Quit: Great News; I've gone!] 21:56:28 <planetmaker> cm? Not much 21:56:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that is certainly not much :) 21:56:36 <planetmaker> must be 7 1/2' 21:56:48 <planetmaker> @calc 30*7.5 21:56:48 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 225 21:56:51 *** Jolteon [~Jolt@rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:59 <planetmaker> 2.25m is too much. Doesn't make sense... 21:57:14 <planetmaker> or isn't that the rail size? 21:57:20 <AC6000> 1:8th scale :) 21:57:24 <planetmaker> :-D 21:57:37 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds about right 21:57:57 <Eddi|zuHause> because 1:87 is about 16mm gauge 21:58:01 <AC6000> and its gunna be fun to lug a 700 lbs loco around the shop on a dolly ._. 21:58:11 <planetmaker> @calc 18.75*8 21:58:11 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 150 21:58:52 <Eddi|zuHause> 1435mm or something is standard gauge 22:00:10 <planetmaker> two horse backs ;-) 22:00:41 <Eddi|zuHause> 4' 8.5" (what a weird measure) 22:01:23 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 1435/87 22:01:23 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 16.4942528736 22:01:41 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 1435/120 22:01:41 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 11.9583333333 22:01:46 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 1435/120*87 22:01:46 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 1040.375 22:01:50 <glx> 1435 seems right 22:02:11 <aber> the question is, who invented a standard for horse backs... 22:02:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the same guys that also invented a standard for horse power... 22:02:48 <AC6000> lol 22:02:51 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:16 <__ln__> 1524mm ftw 22:04:18 <glx> and the fun when you need to change bogie to cross a frontier ;) 22:04:39 <Eddi|zuHause> they do that in Brest ;) 22:04:53 <Eddi|zuHause> they raise the whole train at the station 22:05:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and put the new gauge bogies underneath 22:05:45 <glx> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fichier:Umspuranlage_Brest2.jpg 22:05:48 <Eddi|zuHause> from france to spain they had variable axles, i think 22:05:53 <__ln__> in soviet russia the gauge is 1520mm though 22:06:44 <Eddi|zuHause> in germany the new tracks are also slightly wider, when the trains are supposed to go faster 22:09:31 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:09:53 <aber> if a horse goes faster, it needs more space 22:10:35 <aber> its harder to coordinate the legs 22:13:02 <Eddi|zuHause> these damn horses... 22:14:13 <AC6000> so, anyone up for a "friendly" game of ottd? :P 22:14:25 <TrueBrain> can I bring my gun? 22:14:32 <AC6000> yus :P 22:15:08 <AC6000> and one quick question... 22:16:04 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:16:09 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has joined #openttd 22:16:14 <Eddi|zuHause> *peng* 22:16:21 <Eddi|zuHause> "shoot first, ask later" 22:16:25 <AC6000> Infrastructure sharing or no Infrastructure sharing? :P 22:17:07 <Eddi|zuHause> that wasn't quick at all... 22:17:14 <AC6000> <_< 22:19:02 <Terkhen> good night 22:19:04 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@4.69.220.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: ...] 22:23:35 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:07 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has joined #openttd 22:24:38 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:49 *** AC6000 [~AC6000@242-174.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 22:27:14 *** zombie_monkey [~krum@77.77.32.200] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:31:22 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19582 /extra/website/frontpage/templates/frontpage/download.html: [Website] -Change: mention mirror of OpenGFX, OpenSFX and OpenMSX downloads 22:38:09 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19583 /extra/website/ (5 files in 5 dirs): [Website] -Change: some minor website changes that have accumulated over time 22:39:40 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:45 *** LadyHawk [~here@office01.ldhosting.com] has joined #openttd 22:40:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:29 <Eddi|zuHause> what happened to "elementary" commits? :p 22:42:26 <Rubidium> me not really having a clue what changes belong together and which don't 22:42:49 <Rubidium> nor having a clue what over half of the changes tries to fix 22:46:04 <TrueBrain> and I have no clue how to commit from that machine :p 22:46:27 <TrueBrain> (and I am WAY too lazy to make a patch and commit it on my workstation :p) 22:52:12 <orudge> TrueBrain: we were on slashdot, eh? I hadn't noticed 22:52:39 <orudge> hmm 22:52:45 <orudge> higher bandwidth yesterday, indeed 22:52:50 <orudge> albeit not significantly 22:53:03 <TrueBrain> good :) 22:53:05 <TrueBrain> was just checking ;) 22:53:10 <orudge> how about on openttd.org? 22:53:31 <Rubidium> what is tt-forums' monthly (or daily) bandwidth use? 22:54:12 <Rubidium> orudge: little under 215 GiB yesterday (138 for the mirrors, 77 for the main server) 22:54:30 <orudge> generally around 230GB of HTTP bandwidth per month for tt-forums 22:54:33 <orudge> Rubidium: and what's normal these days? 22:54:41 <orudge> when not on slashdot :) 22:55:13 <Rubidium> orudge: 600-700 GiB a month for the main server 22:56:43 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:56:43 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1675 22:56:43 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 22:57:21 <Rubidium> although some 10 GiB a day (little less than half of total) of that was BaNaNaS and with 1.0.0 BaNaNaS goes mostly over the mirrors. Currently at about 85% of BaNaNaS downloads goes over the mirrors. 22:57:52 <Rubidium> so that would mean 400 GiB for this month could be seen as the "base-line" 22:58:01 <Rubidium> for the main server that is 22:58:30 <TrueBrain> yesterday we have twice as much hits on the httpd, and in fact everything just doubled for a good portion of the day 22:58:36 <Rubidium> first six days did 275 GiB and today seems to be quite busy too 22:59:06 <TrueBrain> so we finally produce more bandwidth than tt-forums ;) 22:59:09 <TrueBrain> Party! :p 22:59:36 <Rubidium> of which ~200 GiB was pure HTTP traffic for the main server 22:59:39 <Eddi|zuHause> orudge: while you are here, i have an annoying problem in the forum 23:00:03 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 23:00:10 <Eddi|zuHause> orudge: i turned off images in the forum preferences, but now when i click on an attachment, it doesn't have a mime type set 23:00:18 <Eddi|zuHause> so it doesn't open in the image viewer 23:00:25 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: finally? We have more than 230 GiB a month for quite a while already; was 800 GiB over April 2009 23:01:10 <TrueBrain> sssttttt 23:01:11 <TrueBrain> :p 23:03:12 *** Guest1675 [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:24 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:05:25 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1676 23:05:27 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 23:08:10 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:08:11 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1677 23:08:11 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 23:11:21 *** Guest1676 [~Dale@c-24-12-229-175.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:03 *** aber [~Adium@gb049.stw.stud.uni-saarland.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:13:47 *** fjb [~frank@p5485DB86.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:41 *** Guest1677 [~Dale@c-24-13-125-217.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:20 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:22:52 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FF23.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:47:55 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FF23.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:46 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 23:59:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74BC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 23:59:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77393.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd