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00:03:10 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:53 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC6F55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 00:07:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19753 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: 00:07:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#3740]: try a bit harder to find a suitable font that can be loaded, 00:07:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: i.e. while searching for a suitable font test whether you can open it and if not 00:07:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: search further instead of always returning the first suitable font even when it 00:07:42 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: can't be loaded 00:08:45 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:40 <FauxFaux_> (And our co-op game went a little downhill http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/openttd-sowrong2.png) 00:09:51 *** Eoin [~no@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: kthxbai] 00:18:53 <OwenS> wtf with all the oil rigs?! 00:19:29 <PeterT> FauxFaux_: does the game lag like a bitch now? 00:20:49 <FauxFaux_> The oil rigs happened by themselves; prospecting wasn't even on. And no, everyone's playing on modern (read: intel q series or above) hardware. :p 00:37:03 *** Devroush|2 [~dennis@ip-83-134-166-149.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:37:49 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:07:27 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:36 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:9451:7456:16c1:2491] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:12:33 *** fjb is now known as Guest96 01:12:34 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D3E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:19:10 *** Guest96 [~frank@p5485B747.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:55:03 *** Eoin [~no@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 02:11:58 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:24:18 *** exe- [~d@83.68.75.158.debica75.tnp.pl] has joined #openttd 02:25:11 <exe-> http://manicdigger.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/File:2010-05-03,_04_18_24.png <- half coverleaf bridge rail junction in 3d minecraft world 02:35:53 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:36 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 04:20:02 *** elmz_ [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 04:20:04 *** elmz [~elmz@222.80-202-29.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20:09 *** Cadde [~cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20:31 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 04:45:27 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 04:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76782.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:23:59 <dih> morning 05:26:19 <dih> exe- may i say that whatever that world is... it looks ugly? :-P 05:46:38 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 05:51:52 *** KloBass [~hadameko@20.221.broadband4.iol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:57:07 <Terkhen> good morning 06:34:15 <dih> is there a way i can use ccache on a project that does not support --enable-ccache? 06:35:44 <Rubidium> CC="ccache $(CC)" CXX="ccache $(CXX)" 06:35:55 <dih> sweet Rubidium, thank you 06:35:57 <Rubidium> unless they hardcode stuff 06:36:07 <dih> oh 06:37:12 <dih> so i set that line before i run make or before i ./configure? 06:37:24 <dih> i'd guess before ./configure ^^ 06:38:40 <dih> configure: error: C++ compiler cannot create executables 06:38:41 <dih> hehe 06:40:45 <dih> got it :-) 06:41:21 <dih> need to set CC="ccache gcc $(CC)" ^^ 06:41:32 <dih> as $CC is empty before ./configure 06:41:52 <Rubidium> well, then leave the $(CC) out 06:41:58 <Rubidium> after all, it does absolutely nothing 06:42:06 <dih> true 06:42:15 <Rubidium> and if it's filled gcc gcc will definitely fail too 06:42:39 <dih> ^^ 06:43:34 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:46:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D3E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:54:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F2F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:00:36 *** dih [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has quit [Quit: knock knock - gone] 07:00:57 *** dihedral [~dih@188.64.43.18] has joined #openttd 07:06:30 <dihedral> that worked wonderfully Rubidium, thanks 07:14:04 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has joined #openttd 07:15:30 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has joined #openttd 07:16:57 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has quit [] 07:24:44 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F2F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:33:57 <andythenorth> morning 07:44:00 *** KloBass [~hadameko@193.179.62.1] has joined #openttd 07:46:08 <andythenorth> Terkhen how about realistic acceleration for ships? 07:46:29 <andythenorth> I thought it was pointless, but now I'm thinking it might be good 07:46:34 *** KloBass [~hadameko@193.179.62.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:46:53 *** KloBass [~hadameko@193.179.62.1] has joined #openttd 07:48:20 *** KloBass [~hadameko@193.179.62.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48:37 <Terkhen> hmmm... why is the current ship movement not good enough? 07:52:51 <andythenorth> not for hovercraft :P 07:53:27 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:53:48 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:53:48 <andythenorth> the primary issue is that most hovercraft will travel slower when loaded. (partly because engine thrust is diverted to lift not propulsion) 07:54:36 <Terkhen> but you already implemented that using callbacks 07:54:46 <andythenorth> it's a hack :P 07:54:50 <andythenorth> I guess regular ships would also have a similar issue, depending on engine horsepower. 07:55:10 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 07:56:35 <planetmaker> moin 07:56:56 <Goulp> plus 07:57:05 <planetmaker> andythenorth: you will know: are ships, properties 14 and 15 (ocean_speed_fraction and canal_speed_fraction) implemented in OpenTTD? 07:57:11 <andythenorth> nope 07:57:20 <planetmaker> thanks 07:58:18 <Terkhen> adding weight and engine power for a minor effect that can be simulated via callbacks sounds a bit overkill to me :P 07:58:43 <andythenorth> ah well yes 08:01:31 <dihedral> morning pm 08:01:43 <planetmaker> at least I'm now confident that my implementation of feature 02 in NML works, andythenorth :-) 08:01:45 <planetmaker> hi dihedral 08:02:44 *** KloBass [~hadameko@193.179.62.1] has joined #openttd 08:09:51 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d325.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:20:42 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 08:32:17 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-117-208.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 08:45:10 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC6993.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:47:41 *** luddek [~ludde@h-92-160.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:54:15 * planetmaker really likes the NML idea :-) 08:54:15 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has quit [Quit: ã§ãã¯æ»çšœãããªãã§ããç§ã¯æ¬æ°ã§ãã] 08:55:04 <dihedral> pm: NML? 08:55:15 <planetmaker> nfo meta language :-) 08:55:28 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml 08:55:41 <planetmaker> or on a project where it's applied: 08:56:04 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfxplus/repository/entry/sprites/ogfxplus.nml 08:56:09 <Noldo> wooot? 08:56:10 <planetmaker> So much easier to read :-) 08:57:40 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfxplus/repository/entry/lang/default.txt <-- and translations are easy, too :-) 08:58:55 <planetmaker> It's not done yet, but it supports already quite a lot. 08:59:18 <planetmaker> And most important: it supports varaction2 and action6 which is considered the most complicated parts to abstract 08:59:49 <Noldo> do you have examples of those? 09:01:47 <Terkhen> something like that would be nice for FIRS translations too, less code duplication :) 09:02:44 <andythenorth> Ammler: did you give Terkhen commit rights yet :P 09:02:51 <planetmaker> Noldo, I don't quite have those, but I take Yexo's word on it 09:03:21 <planetmaker> I don't think so. Is he developer in one of the projects? 09:03:39 <planetmaker> Not that I'd mind at all :-) 09:03:41 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.153.79] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:34 <planetmaker> I don't have his ssh key, so simple answer: Terkhen so far has no commit rights at the devzone 09:04:49 <planetmaker> it'd just be a matter of giving us the public part of such key, though 09:05:08 <Terkhen> andythenorth: besides the spanish translation and maybe other string related stuff I will not be doing much :P 09:05:35 <andythenorth> that's ok 09:05:46 <andythenorth> it just makes translation easier for you 09:06:09 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.153.79] has joined #openttd 09:06:17 <Terkhen> I was thinking on something to easy up translations, but the way it's done in opengfx+ is better than my idea 09:06:43 <planetmaker> Terkhen, look possibly at the 2cctrainset how it's handled there. 09:06:54 <planetmaker> It's easier there than with FIRS, if I remember correctly 09:08:16 *** woldemar [~osaka@213.178.34.57] has joined #openttd 09:08:16 <Terkhen> okay, I'll check that 09:08:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.173.212] has joined #openttd 09:08:31 <planetmaker> hm... not much 09:08:36 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/entry/sprites/nfo/strings/7F_english.pnfo 09:09:46 <planetmaker> But actually it's not really code duplication. NFO needs an action4 for that 09:09:51 <Terkhen> I was thinking on having a common pnfo file with all the nfo code that would get included into the different language.pnfo files (each one with its own text defines) 09:10:02 <planetmaker> Though it can be saved actions, if more than one string is put into one action4. 09:10:23 <planetmaker> Terkhen, yeah, that's a nice thing to have, yes 09:10:25 <Terkhen> that way you'll code the action 4 only once, but it is really being defined for each language 09:10:46 <planetmaker> yeah :-) 09:11:11 <planetmaker> it can be done and I once had it (nearly), I think. But it broke somewhat... 09:14:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.166.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:15:48 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:19:27 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc0ef6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:08 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:28:03 *** Zuu_ is now known as Zuu 09:28:33 <Zuu> Nice work on that NML. :-) 09:30:09 *** luddek [~ludde@h-92-160.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30:24 *** luddek [~ludde@h-92-160.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 09:31:56 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 09:32:02 <planetmaker> Thank Yexo and Hirundo. I'm only a minor contributor 09:38:02 * andythenorth finds some things easier than others 09:43:16 <TrueBrain> that will be my new life slogon ... 09:51:16 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I have pushed the incorrect strings fix 09:51:18 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:51:50 <Terkhen> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/repository/entry/sprites/nfo/lang/7F_any.pnfo#L94 <-- also, bauxite seems to be missing a TABBR 09:52:08 <Ammler> he, another half empty wisdom :-) 09:53:12 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 09:58:35 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F2F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:10:23 *** Timmehh [~tim_york@cpc1-mfld2-0-0-cust757.nott.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:10:56 <Timmehh> anyone know how i can disable news messages popping up? they pop up like crazy and its annoying me lol 10:11:57 <Rubidium> in the main toolbar, click (and keep pressed) the newspaper button. Then select the message settings 10:12:09 <Timmehh> aaah 10:12:10 <Timmehh> thanks 10:14:28 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:16:16 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:20:43 *** ptr_ [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:24:32 <__ln__> the default settings for the news popups are crazy, but it's pointless to complain about that. 10:25:02 *** Goulp [~Goulp@ip163.opsio.fr] has quit [Quit: PACKET_SERVER_SHUTDOWN] 10:26:50 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 10:28:40 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: ecke] 10:37:54 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:17 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@77.106.153.79] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:43:34 * andythenorth decides all ships in FISH should run a little slower when loaded and a little faster when empty 10:43:56 * andythenorth can probably do it with maths or something :P 10:45:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.103.88] has joined #openttd 10:45:58 <Ammler> with nml :-) 10:46:35 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@ti0068a380-0789.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 10:47:12 <andythenorth> has someone written a migration tool to translate existing nfo->nml? 10:48:16 * andythenorth has a stupid question about nml and should probably read the source 10:48:20 <Terkhen> a lot of patience? :P 10:49:27 <andythenorth> nml is python? 10:51:08 <andythenorth> actually nvm the language, can I compute values in it at the compiler stage? I guess it's what I have in mind is a bit like macros. 10:54:02 <Eddi|zuHause> so you're probably fine with pnfo 10:57:18 <andythenorth> hmm 10:57:45 <andythenorth> I'm not very good with comp sci conventions, I don't know the terms for what I intend 10:58:40 <andythenorth> for values that can be hard coded into nfo (nml), I might want to use code to compute those values depending on the props of the vehicle, (or other values) 10:59:31 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:59:54 *** Cadde [~cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 11:00:54 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 11:04:00 *** Timmehh [~tim_york@cpc1-mfld2-0-0-cust757.nott.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 11:12:53 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:14:29 *** Goulpy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 11:16:20 *** robotboy 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you're right, but I can't let this speed thing go :) I was all set to remove the hovercraft code this morning, but it's just wrong :P 17:24:30 <planetmaker> Honestly I think doing that is a "I do it just because I can" without adding to gameplay 17:25:10 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@95.169.63.181] has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 17:25:18 <andythenorth> that's why I think you're right. There's no gameplay benefit. 17:25:28 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@95.169.63.181] has joined #openttd 17:25:44 <andythenorth> except when there is 17:25:45 <andythenorth> :P 17:25:55 *** ALL|bHa [~ait@192.84-48-227.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:26:02 <andythenorth> I already did this for the log rafts, and it makes sense there 17:26:22 <ALL|bHa> Hi there, i have a problem with building airplanes /q if you have a minute of your time, to help me. 17:26:32 <planetmaker> yes, but hardly for the other "normal" ships, I think 17:26:45 <planetmaker> ALL|bHa: we can only answer questions which are asked 17:27:38 <planetmaker> I agree, though, that it makes perfect sense for rafts 17:27:45 <ALL|bHa> OK, I'm not able to build airplanes. Why is that? 17:27:52 <planetmaker> too early? 17:28:00 <planetmaker> max_airplanes = 0? 17:28:15 <planetmaker> wrong newgrf? 17:28:17 <ALL|bHa> The other comps can build airplanes, but I cant :P 17:28:45 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:10 <ALL|bHa> Any idea? :P 17:29:16 <planetmaker> you have already too many? 17:29:24 <ALL|bHa> I have 0 ^^ 17:29:28 <ALL|bHa> Cant build them from start 17:29:50 <ALL|bHa> But the computer players can 17:30:34 *** ALL|bHa is now known as bHa 17:30:59 <planetmaker> you tried to build them on a proper airport, not a heli hangar? 17:31:11 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:31:42 <bHa> The "build" or "buy" button is bluried away, and when i try to doubleclick on a plane, a errormsg comes up with" Can't build airplanes" 17:32:18 <planetmaker> then the amount of available planes was changed later maybe? 17:32:57 <bHa> hmm 17:33:02 <bHa> its set to 500 tho 17:33:11 <bHa> ill take a check 17:33:14 <bHa> thanks for the help 17:35:14 <planetmaker> np. You could upload also the savegame somewhere 17:35:28 *** sparr [~sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:39 <bHa> Hmm 17:35:45 <bHa> Doesnt seem to work now either. 17:36:04 <bHa> When is the earliest date to buy airplanes? 17:36:13 <bHa> My games are always starting at 1951. 17:36:58 <planetmaker> that's about the earliest time planes become available 17:37:03 *** Eoin [~no@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:37:04 <planetmaker> default planes that is 17:37:13 *** Eoin [~no@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:37:16 <bHa> mm 17:37:20 * andythenorth sighs. designing sets is harder than coding sets :| 17:37:29 <bHa> got 3 planes avail 17:38:45 <planetmaker> got enough money? 17:39:13 <welshdragon> andythenorth: i have to agree 17:39:25 <planetmaker> very much so, yes, andythenorth :-) 17:39:32 *** bHa [~ait@192.84-48-227.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 17:40:30 <Ammler> I would guess, bHa didn't try to build in a Hangar 17:42:18 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:40 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:11 <planetmaker> where do you see the available planes otherwise? 17:44:13 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19754 /trunk/src/lang/ (luxembourgish.txt russian.txt swedish.txt): 17:45:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: luxembourgish - 3 changes by Phreeze 17:45:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: russian - 24 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:45:28 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: swedish - 3 changes by Zuu 17:47:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6587.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:16 <fjb> Hm, in the vehicles list. But there is no buy button. 17:48:27 <fjb> Quak frosch123 17:48:34 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:49:04 *** Eoin [~no@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:09 *** Eoin [~no@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:49:21 <frosch123> moin fjb :) 17:50:24 <planetmaker> moin frosch123 17:50:34 *** Eoin [~no@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:35 *** Eoin [Eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:50:37 <planetmaker> aren't you living in the wrong part of Germany in order to use "moin"? ;-) 17:50:39 * planetmaker wonders 17:51:56 <frosch123> here is hamburger fishmarket - already for 3 weeks - and I hate fish! 17:51:59 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:53:26 <planetmaker> :-D 17:53:32 <planetmaker> never go to Japan then 17:54:09 <planetmaker> I had fish there everyday. At least for breakfast 17:55:38 <frosch123> yeah, i also discovered that there is fish and vodka before every meal in moskow, though i thought it would be enough far away from the sea :s 17:55:53 <planetmaker> he 17:56:50 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 17:58:13 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:22 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:22 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F2F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:27 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:51 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:03:09 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 18:03:09 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F2F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:17 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:03:31 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:16:42 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe23dc00-198.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 18:20:28 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe23dc00-198.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:28:55 *** nighthawkcm [~nighthawk@pD9505E39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:25 *** Eoin_ [Eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:34:43 *** Eoin [Eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:07 *** nighthawk_c_m [~nighthawk@pD95068AC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:29 <nighthawkcm> test 18:40:51 <fjb> passed 18:41:07 <nighthawkcm> good 18:41:13 <nighthawkcm> and hi fjb 18:41:26 *** Ccesar_BRX [~Ccesar_BR@187.59.83.76] has joined #openttd 18:41:53 <Ccesar_BRX> hi 18:42:03 <Terkhen> hi Ccesar_BRX 18:42:05 <planetmaker> hi 18:42:08 <nighthawkcm> moin 18:42:43 <Ccesar_BRX> does somebody knows how to create a server??? 18:42:53 <planetmaker> nope. Not here 18:43:14 <Ccesar_BRX> where? 18:43:18 <planetmaker> we only talk gibberish here 18:43:37 <Ccesar_BRX> ah? 18:43:43 <planetmaker> "create a server" is a broad topic, you know 18:44:02 <Ccesar_BRX> ohh ok 18:44:10 <planetmaker> and there's not much we can help unless you have a concrete problem 18:44:18 <planetmaker> s/concrete/particular/ 18:44:35 <planetmaker> we don't even know what you tried where and how and what you expected and what you got instead 18:44:35 <Ccesar_BRX> i have(i think) 18:44:47 <Ccesar_BRX> i create the server but my frind cant see 18:44:53 <planetmaker> @ports 18:44:53 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 18:45:08 <planetmaker> open firewall(s) and router ports 18:45:43 <Ccesar_BRX> ok i will try it 18:46:06 <planetmaker> how exactly to do that... depends upon your system configuration (for firewalls) and the router 18:48:01 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:48:20 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:23 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 18:48:59 *** Ccesar_BRX [~Ccesar_BR@187.59.83.76] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 19:04:30 *** Eoin [Eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:04:31 *** Eoin_ [Eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust3.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:42 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:20 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d198-53-213-246.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:00 *** dihedral [~dih@188.64.43.18] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 19:24:09 *** dihedral [~dih@188.64.43.18] has joined #openttd 19:33:21 *** avdg [~Adium@78-22-165-5.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:33:25 <avdg> hey 19:33:27 <avdg> !players 19:33:27 *** avdg was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 19:33:46 <PeterT> hehehe 19:33:50 <nighthawkcm> rofl 19:39:38 <planetmaker> lalala :-) 19:44:07 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c469.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:07 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d325.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:34 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 19:53:28 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@95.169.63.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:22 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: frosch * r19755 /trunk/src/roadveh_cmd.cpp: -Fix: Blocked roadvehicles should first check whether they are still blocked before accelerating again, instead of continuous starting/stopping. 20:08:17 <Zuu> This sounds like a nice present. 20:08:51 <Zuu> Eg, zero speed when vehicles stand still. 20:14:01 *** Splex [~splex@n219078158076.netvigator.com] has joined #openttd 20:34:21 <yorick> hmm what is the _newgrf_version number in 1.0.1? 20:35:57 <Ammler> get svn rev from finger tags.txt 20:36:28 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 20:37:00 <planetmaker> haha :-) 20:37:06 <planetmaker> yorick: checkout the svn tag 20:37:14 <yorick> thanks :) 20:37:29 <yorick> hmm looks like I'm going to have to implement a finger client 20:37:37 <planetmaker> the other hg etc don't have the release 20:38:31 <Rubidium> why would you need the svn revision of a tag? 20:38:36 <Rubidium> just check out the latest rev 20:38:58 <yorick> Rubidium: because newer revisions require me to know the newgrf version to join :P 20:39:05 <planetmaker> bad wording. I meant he should checkout the tag 20:39:15 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-163-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 20:39:25 <yorick> hmm I'm still on ignore am I not? 20:39:32 <planetmaker> and not mess with another version and call it afterwards 1.0.1 ;-) 20:41:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:42:55 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@212-149-205-119.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:43:14 <yorick> hmm...isn't the revision supposed to be 0 for releases? 20:43:23 <yorick> "0-18 revision number; 0 for releases and when the revision is unknown" 20:44:25 <Ammler> yorick: the wiki should explain quite well 20:45:01 <yorick> hmm...where? 20:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: for comparison purposes, that value is probably a don't care 20:46:45 <yorick> Eddi|zuHause: I need the exact value ;) 20:48:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: can't you just check out the version and grep it? 20:48:11 <Eddi|zuHause> or diff the release? 20:48:33 <yorick> Eddi|zuHause: I already have the version ;) 20:48:48 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-088-069-243-039.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Something strange must have happened...] 20:48:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: the version and the newgrf version are both in rev.cpp 20:50:38 <Ammler> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action7 20:51:41 <Eddi|zuHause> why does svn not accep -cHEAD? 20:52:08 <Rubidium> because there's not HEAD+1? 20:52:26 <yorick> Ammler: thanks :) 20:52:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but it's "-r PAR-1:PAR" 20:53:10 <Rubidium> oh, then because it can't resolve HEAD-1? 20:53:25 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: use hg :-) 20:53:44 <Ammler> hg diff -ctip works 20:53:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: it just says "non-numeric parameter" 20:57:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6587.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:27 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 21:03:24 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:39 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 21:06:00 <Belugas> ok, time to head to home sweet home 21:06:03 <Belugas> night all 21:07:53 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-hkibrasgw1-ff1ec000-127.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 21:14:03 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:19:01 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-163-136-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:20:45 <PeterT> how does GPL apply autopilot, when there is no "binary"? 21:20:49 <PeterT> *apply to 21:23:24 <Zuu> GPL do not require there to be a binary. 21:24:26 <planetmaker> good night 21:24:33 <SmatZ> good night, planetmaker 21:24:37 <PeterT> good night planetmaker 21:24:45 <PeterT> Zuu: ok 21:28:55 <Terkhen> good night 21:29:05 <PeterT> night Terkhen 21:31:35 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C248.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:34:16 <SmatZ> good night, Terkhen 21:34:43 <nighthawkcm> Anyone here familiar with the 32bpp graphics? 21:45:35 <nighthawkcm> :-/ 21:45:47 <SmatZ> :-\ 21:45:57 <SmatZ> I can help you with 32bpp blitter... 21:49:38 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:50:56 <nighthawkcm> My problem is that I cannot get the 32 bpp to work in a patched game client - I am using ChillCores patchpack 21:51:13 <nighthawkcm> and for some reason I can't activate the 32 bpp set 21:51:27 <nighthawkcm> if I use the Fullzoom client it works just fine ... 21:52:09 <nighthawkcm> And I don't find the difference - blitter is set - the tar files are present in the download content directory as well as in the game data directory 21:52:36 <glx> extra zoom uses different naming scheme 21:53:03 <glx> incompatible with clean openttd 21:53:19 <nighthawkcm> so I can'tr use the graphics pack thats provided there, rather have to download the single 32 bbp sets? 21:53:34 <SmatZ> OTTD has only one sprite for all zoom levels, they are resized internally 21:54:37 <nighthawkcm> that doesn't really help me ... 21:57:38 <nighthawkcm> The weird thing is that it actually shows the new GUI - but nothing else works 21:57:55 <SmatZ> it's possible it's correct 21:58:04 <SmatZ> the last 32bpp set I tried was very incomplete 21:59:19 <nighthawkcm> well, if I use this set on the fullzoom client I at least get landscape + industry + roads and rails in 32bpp - on my patched client I only get the gui 21:59:29 <nighthawkcm> which pack should I download? 21:59:45 <glx> using dos or windows grfs ? 22:00:00 <nighthawkcm> I am on windows 22:00:09 <nighthawkcm> using opengfx 22:00:21 <peter1138> that's because the patched client doesn't contain 'fullzoom' (when did 'extra zoom levels' get renamed 'fullzoom'?) 22:00:22 <nighthawkcm> but I could also use the windows gfx 22:00:49 <nighthawkcm> ok, and how do I run 32bpp without the fullzoom as I don't want that 22:01:09 *** luddek [~ludde@h-92-160.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: luddek] 22:01:21 <SmatZ> ludde-k? 22:01:29 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has left #openttd [] 22:01:43 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:56 <Nite_Owl> Hello all 22:02:07 <SmatZ> good evening, Nite_Owl 22:02:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77386.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:24 <peter1138> nighthawkcm, normal openttd with 32bpp is always not 'extra zoom levels' 22:02:44 <Nite_Owl> Hello SmatZ 22:02:50 <peter1138> nighthawkcm, however, the 'extra zoom levels' stuff is a complete fuck up, and as you have discovered, the graphics sets are not compatible 22:02:54 <nighthawkcm> I know that - but which files do I need as supposedly the files for the zoom patch don't work without it 22:03:27 <nighthawkcm> so where do I get 32bbp stuff that works without it and how do I place it in my game directory to make it work 22:03:33 <nighthawkcm> I am kind of lost by now ... 22:04:36 <peter1138> there pretty much *isn't* any 32bpp stuff that works with openttd 32bpp... 22:05:25 <nighthawkcm> yeah, and even that doesnb't work - weird stuff 22:05:35 <nighthawkcm> no proper documentation either to be found 22:05:50 <peter1138> if something doesn't exist, how do you document it? 22:06:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76782.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:27 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 22:06:41 <glx> some working tar used to exist IIRC 22:06:48 <glx> but very incomplete 22:07:00 <nighthawkcm> yeah - so I place those where all Bannanas Tars go too? 22:07:45 <SmatZ> in data/ 22:08:08 <nighthawkcm> data in the gqame directory or under my documents? 22:08:28 * SmatZ puts everything under content_download 22:09:23 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8169.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:30 <SmatZ> so it's found no matter where I execute OTTD from, or whether I have openttd.cfg in current directory 22:09:32 <SmatZ> or so :) 22:11:19 <nighthawkcm> Well, I now downloaded 3 tars - but it doesn't seem to find them in the content-download/data 22:11:22 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 22:12:36 <nighthawkcm> I surrender on that for now ... 22:12:44 <nighthawkcm> night guys - I need some sleep 22:12:51 <SmatZ> night nighthawkcm 22:12:52 <nighthawkcm> another day another try I suppose 22:12:56 *** nighthawkcm [~nighthawk@pD9505E39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:15:07 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:51 <Zuu> hmm, lots of annoying users that can't seem to read on the forums lately.. 22:17:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:17:31 <PeterT> I haven't read the forums lately anyway 22:17:39 <SmatZ> 8-) Firefox eating 379% CPU 22:17:51 <Zuu> 379% that's a lot :-p 22:17:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:18:05 <peter1138> i've had it suddenly decide to use 1GB ram recently 22:18:10 <peter1138> several times, like 22:18:24 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 22:18:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C248.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:20 <Zuu> At least you get happy when there are newbies at servers who show faith and learn from your hints. 22:19:41 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 22:19:48 <Nite_Owl> with the 1.0 release lots of new users on the forum 22:19:59 <SmatZ> maybe Firefox is no longer supposed to be "lightweight" 22:20:08 <SmatZ> (I think it used to be) 22:20:20 <Zuu> Somewhere around 0.8 or so that would be. 22:20:29 <Nite_Owl> they will either learn and stick around or fall by the wayside once they get bored 22:21:29 <peter1138> SmatZ, yeah, strange isn't it 22:22:16 <Eddi|zuHause> what's a 0.8? 22:22:50 *** IPG [~chatzilla@daisu.martos.bme.hu] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]] 22:23:04 <Zuu> FF 0.8 22:23:32 <Zuu> The version when they introduced the search bar was the best one or maybe the one after that. 22:23:37 * SmatZ agrees with peter1138 22:24:18 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you can get it lightweight when you disable flash and javascript ;) 22:24:18 * peter1138 ponders starting a lightweight openttd ;p 22:24:27 <SmatZ> hehe :) 22:24:43 <peter1138> some menus in firefox take several seconds to show first time 22:24:45 <peter1138> things with icons 22:25:43 <SmatZ> entering anything in the adress bar causes my HDD to seek a lot 22:26:03 <SmatZ> because it is searching in some database of visited URLs 22:26:03 <Eddi|zuHause> firefox is just my "konqueror doesn't render ebay and google maps correctly" browser 22:26:49 <peter1138> SmatZ, yup 22:27:40 <Nite_Owl> set it up to clear your history when it closes 22:28:16 <SmatZ> it would be enough to search my bookmarks as it used to 22:28:30 <SmatZ> I don't want to reset my history 22:29:01 <SmatZ> maybe there is a setting for that, but I gave up modifying the defaults 22:29:08 <Nite_Owl> I have FF set to clear everything whenever it closes and it is not a big deal 22:29:33 <SmatZ> because it means modifying it at several computers, and on some computers at school, profile is reset to default everytime I relogin... 22:29:41 <Nite_Owl> most of the sites I visit with any frequency are bookmarked 22:30:41 <Nite_Owl> Ahhh - well if it is not your home computer then you have no real control over it 22:33:01 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DBF4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 22:43:38 <Zuu> SmatZ: At university (windows) I use a shortcut that gives an argument to FF to use a profile file in my home directory. This way saved changes to the profile will be stored among my files. 22:44:23 <Zuu> This way it is also possible to use ad-block etc. at university which would else be impossible. 22:46:21 <SmatZ> Zuu: I am using http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable somewhere, it's useful too :) 22:46:49 <SmatZ> your idea is good 22:47:08 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:11 <Zuu> I used to download their zip file and have it in my documents before it became commonly available at public computers. 22:51:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-35-81.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:53:01 <Nite_Owl> I need to feed - later all 22:53:04 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-98-254-113-47.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 22:54:18 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-f5f9e253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:54:57 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:20 *** kyo313 [~kyo@92.1.53.221] has joined #openttd 22:58:20 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 23:00:32 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [] 23:09:52 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:26 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 23:14:02 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c469.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:30 <berndj> so my trains sometimes get stuck trying to go the wrong way down a one-way block signal (or is it seeing the signal beyond that, a one-way PBS?), saying "waiting for free path". grrr 23:23:14 <Eddi|zuHause> berndj: trains turn around when they wait too long 23:24:52 <berndj> i set pf.wait_for_pbs_path to 255 (forever), i think in order to catch other cases of trying to go the wrong way 23:26:05 <SmatZ> berndj: it can happen when you are rebuilding your network, so trains can't find a way for a while 23:26:15 <SmatZ> so they end in that reversed position 23:26:51 <berndj> Eddi|zuHause, i think i saw someone say that wait-forever would cause trains never to consider going the wrong way - does that make sense? in fact see michi_cc's comment: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2274 23:27:18 <berndj> SmatZ, it happens while i'm rebuilding the network on the opposite side of the map! :) 23:27:43 <Eddi|zuHause> berndj: you must set all 3 wait times to 255, if you have mixed signals in your network 23:28:11 <berndj> all 3? what are the other 2 then please? 23:28:27 <Eddi|zuHause> wait_oneway and wait_twoway or something 23:31:57 <berndj> wait_oneway_signal, thanks for the hint 23:36:30 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19756 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: move UpdateViewport() from Vehicle to SpecializedVehicle in order to improve performance 23:40:39 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:02 *** OwenS [~oshepherd@cpc1-stkn14-2-0-cust562.11-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:43 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:45:00 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:06 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 23:45:26 *** Cadde [Cadde@c83-249-114-48.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 23:58:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ]