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Log for #openttd on 13th May 2010:
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01:43:21  <Eddi|zuHause> why is it, when i have X+10 MB free, and i copy a file of size X to the drive, i get "not enough space" error?
01:43:55  <Eddi|zuHause> (real MB, not drivemaker's MB)
01:48:52  <glx> 10MB is not a lot
01:51:27  <Eddi|zuHause> but i once learned X+10 > X
01:52:50  <glx> maybe the difference between file size, and file "real" size (the space it really uses on the disk)
01:53:06  <glx> but 10MB is a lot
01:53:23  <Eddi|zuHause> but shouldn't that be in the order of one cluster size?
01:53:34  <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. like 4kb?
01:54:00  <glx> unless those 10MB is the sum of all files wasted space
01:54:27  <Eddi|zuHause> why would df report that?
01:54:48  <glx> dunno I just send ideas as they come :)
01:55:27  <Eddi|zuHause> the most probable cause i can think of is that some space is reserved for root
01:55:44  <Eddi|zuHause> but i forgot where to check that
02:01:03  <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... "Reserved block count:     0"
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02:09:13  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand it... when i do "cat /dev/zero > test.xxx" it stops at 64MB, and when i start other such files, it makes additional 4-10MB each before stopping
02:09:20  <JFBelugas> GO HABS GO!
02:09:22  <JFBelugas> mmh
02:09:42  <Eddi|zuHause> JFBelugas: do people at your place have holiday tomorrow?
02:10:00  <JFBelugas> :(
02:10:02  <JFBelugas> no
02:10:09  * JFBelugas cries
02:10:38  <JFBelugas> why? you do?
02:10:44  <glx> of course :)
02:11:27  <Eddi|zuHause> it's one of the most important christian holidays... i believe pretty much everywhere in europe...
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02:12:31  <JFBelugas> it is?
02:12:40  <JFBelugas> la sant-glin-glin?
02:12:44  <JFBelugas> buwahahhq!!!
02:13:47  <Eddi|zuHause> of course over here it's also "men's day", meaning a lot of drinking :p
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05:29:49  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19805 /trunk/config.lib: -Codechange: disable warnings about unused but set variables when building with asserts disabled
05:34:34  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19806 /trunk/src/saveload/depot_sl.cpp: -Codechange: silence one warning
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06:21:36  <peter1138> holiday? where?
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06:24:03  <Forked> Norway
06:29:29  <planetmaker> SmatZ seems to be sleepless ;-)
06:29:38  <planetmaker> or became a really early bird ;-)
06:29:43  <planetmaker> good morning folks
06:30:07  <SmatZ> hello planetmaker :)
06:30:43  <planetmaker> hello SmatZ :-)
06:35:31  <Mazur> "I once had a girl, or should I say, she once had me."
06:36:27  <planetmaker> "and when looked around I noticed there wasn't a chair"
06:36:47  <Mazur> Close.
06:36:53  <planetmaker> :-)
06:37:00  <Mazur> ;-)
06:37:12  <planetmaker> any case it's nice Norwegian wood ;-)
06:37:49  <Mazur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkcRZSdc8us
06:41:04  <planetmaker> damn you. I now have to sing this song over and over.
06:41:26  <Mazur> Isn't it good, Norwegian wood?
06:41:44  <planetmaker> :-P
06:42:21  <Mazur> I know the feeling though, I saw a cartoon featuring "Moonlight Bay", couldn't get rid of it for a whole fscking week.
06:42:42  <Mazur> And hte lyrics in my head kept getting worse.
06:42:46  <Mazur> :-(
06:43:31  <planetmaker> he
06:44:16  <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=38524&start=100 <-- doesn't someone feel like making a small nice eye candy newgrf out of that?
06:46:11  <Mazur> I want to live on one of those.
06:46:35  <planetmaker> completely different topic: does it make sense to combine game creation from height map and from random map into one window?
06:47:01  <planetmaker> Mazur: maybe not live, but I wouldn't mind to do a world tour on one of those :-)
06:47:16  <planetmaker> or at least a summer sail for a few weeks
06:47:27  <Mazur> s/weeks/months/
06:47:31  <planetmaker> like up the Norwegian coast ;-)
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06:47:40  <planetmaker> hehe :-)
06:52:50  <Mazur> From Spitzbergen coast hopping to Jo'burg, and then across and up North again, or continent circling and now and again crossing an ocean.
06:53:06  <planetmaker> sound quite alrigt
06:53:07  <planetmaker> *alright
06:54:19  <Mazur> Though we might skip Somalia, I'm thinking.
06:54:58  * Mazur saw the South Park episode where Cartman goes there to become a pirate.
06:55:05  <planetmaker> :-) Somalia might be bad
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08:21:48  <andythenorth> morning
08:22:02  <andythenorth> wonder if this has any relevance for OTTD? http://browsersize.googlelabs.com/
08:22:12  <andythenorth> probably not :)
08:24:44  <SmatZ> andythenorth: it doesn't seem to work at all
08:24:52  <SmatZ> pressing the "GO" button does nothing
08:25:33  <andythenorth> works for me?
08:26:40  <SmatZ> hmm works in chromium, not in FF
08:27:22  <SmatZ> it doesn't apply to openttd.org much, the webpage is centered
08:27:57  <Rubidium> and we're not actively asking for donations at the moment
08:28:17  * Rubidium can't even see the whole 90% area
08:28:44  <Mazur> Works for me, in FF.
08:28:51  <Mazur> Linux.
08:29:18  <SmatZ> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; cs-CZ; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100419 Gentoo Firefox/3.6.3
08:30:24  <SmatZ> ok, works when I disable AdBlock
08:31:08  * andythenorth wonders if it's a useful indicator of screen resolution, or the actual browser window size
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08:32:42  <planetmaker> interesting page
08:32:55  * planetmaker sees something between 80% and 70%
08:33:07  <planetmaker> limited by screen height
08:33:12  <Rubidium> andythenorth: I know several people where screen resolution is quite different to the window size
08:33:29  <andythenorth> yup
08:33:54  <planetmaker> Rubidium: according to that page it's the browser window size. Not the screen size
08:33:58  <andythenorth> wondered if google are measuring browser size.  but think they'd need js to do that accurately
08:34:05  <planetmaker> And yes, I'm one of those people you mention
08:34:09  <Mazur> It's an indicator of generally used windowproportoions.
08:34:12  <andythenorth> so any non-js browsers will be left out.
08:34:22  <andythenorth> but I guess google are better at stats than me :o
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08:35:35  <Mazur> You never know.
08:36:05  <Rubidium> you've got lies, damn lies and statistics
08:41:20  <Mazur> Most people seem to get their understanding of statistics presentation from "How to lie with statistics.", anyway.
08:42:32  <planetmaker> but even if you (think you) know what you do, it has quite some pitfalls.
08:42:32  <Mazur> "Only, they don't get the point of hte book.
08:42:42  <Mazur> Yep.
08:43:48  <Mazur> At every step of the way from data-gathering to presentation.
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08:46:09  <planetmaker> oh yes
08:46:09  <andythenorth> 73% of people misunderstand statistics
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08:46:49  <__ln__> andythenorth: there's a 24,3% chance you are mistaken.
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08:50:05  <Mazur> Wat weet je niet, Maarten?
08:50:26  <Mazur> Morning, Puggle.
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08:56:14  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19807 /trunk/src/ (main_gui.cpp viewport_func.h viewport_type.h): -Codechange: instead of having an unnamed enum and passing it as an int, name the enum and pass that
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09:00:07  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19808 /trunk/src/network/network_server.cpp: -Codechange: NetworkCalculateLag returned an uint, so keep it that way
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09:04:52  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19809 /trunk/src/network/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: make some unnamed network related enums/defines static const variables
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09:09:34  <Terkhen> good morning
09:09:44  <planetmaker> moin Terkhen
09:11:39  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19810 /trunk/src/pathfinder/yapf/yapf_costcache.hpp: -Fix: [YAPF] Improperly formatted (global) constant
09:13:04  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19811 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Codechange: make the last bits from table/strings.h use static consts too instead of an unnamed enum
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09:44:57  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19812 /trunk/src/ (52 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: give some unnamed enums a name or, in case they consisted of unrelated values use static const (u)int
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09:50:04  <peter1138> 52
09:50:06  <peter1138> yikes :)
10:01:14  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19813 /trunk/src/main_gui.cpp: -Fix (r19807): initialising viewports kinda failed
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10:14:41  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19814 /trunk/src/ (30 files in 7 dirs): -Codechange: give some more unnamed enums a name, in case they consisted of unrelated values use static const (u)int
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11:07:18  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19815 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp pathfinder/npf/aystar.cpp): -Cleanup: remove two unused variables
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11:19:41  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19816 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: use static const uint for the unnamed 'tile consts' enum as well
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12:43:08  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19817 /trunk/src/ (disaster_cmd.cpp gfx.cpp rail_cmd.cpp viewport.cpp): -Fix: MSVC compile warnings
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13:11:06  <Belugas> hello
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13:19:17  <Alberth> hello
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13:38:46  <andythenorth> planetmaker...if you were looking for easy-to-ship incremental improvements, the tabs with yellow buttons looks fine in this layout: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=876916#p876916
13:39:04  <andythenorth> yellow buttons sucked in my layout, but that's not what is being coded right now :)
13:39:16  <planetmaker> I think the buttons are sorted :-)
13:39:38  <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/3826?project=1&order=id&sort=desc
13:39:49  <planetmaker> it's all the same colour, but it works smoothly
13:40:18  <planetmaker> and yes, that there is the reduced version. For easy trunk integration :-)
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13:43:08  <planetmaker> I currently have fun with integrating the height map into the view.
13:43:16  <planetmaker> And this time it's not an optical problem ;-)
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13:49:37  * planetmaker ponders how a call of ShowSaveLoadDialogue could cause something like  Message: Assertion failed at line 806 of /Users/ingo/ottd/gui/src/window_gui.h: nwid != NULL
13:50:46  <planetmaker> hm... no... another thing is that
13:51:24  <Rubidium> non-existing widget?
13:52:54  <Alberth> wrong widget type?
13:53:01  <planetmaker> that's my guess, too. Though I haven't found any non-existing one so far. Which by definition is difficult ;-)
13:53:11  <planetmaker> wrong widget type... maybe.
13:53:22  <planetmaker> I added yet another NWID_SELECTION ;-)
13:53:24  <Alberth> if the widget does not exist, you get NULL
13:54:07  <planetmaker> and if modes get switched between GNLW_GENERATE and GNLW_HIGHTMAP the displayed widgets change
13:54:17  <Alberth> if you ask for a widget-class X at position y, and a widget ptr at y exists, but it is not a (subclass of) X, you get an assert
13:54:33  <Alberth> s/position/index/
13:55:08  <planetmaker> that sounds then likely to be the case
13:55:37  <planetmaker> Maybe I just should keep all height map widgets present, but disabled...
13:55:38  <Alberth> the idea is that you as author know what widget class to expect at each index :)
13:55:39  <planetmaker> easier
13:55:52  <planetmaker> and not necessarily wors
13:55:54  <planetmaker> *worse
13:56:08  <Alberth> it is ok to have NULL values in the array
13:56:54  <planetmaker> yeah, but no to access them ;-)
13:57:48  <planetmaker> what's the general feel about integrating the heightmap into the new game dialogue?
13:59:38  <planetmaker> http://img.openttdcoop.org/images/bildscpdp.png <-- similar to that.
13:59:46  <planetmaker> obviously not quite functional
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14:01:08  <Alberth> I have not yet formed an opinion on what you are doing
14:01:29  <Alberth> (despite hi-jacking my thread :) )
14:02:42  <planetmaker> he, I don't mean to hijack your thread. Actually I even started my own ;-)
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14:03:53  <planetmaker> besides, I think that the re-design of the NewGRF GUI can nearly be independent of what I try to achieve here.
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14:04:12  <planetmaker> Once done, it might later be moderately easily be moved to the tab version
14:05:37  <Ammler> planetmaker: something strange on your tab gui
14:05:58  <Ammler> the tab buttons should be on the same level as the boarder
14:06:19  <planetmaker> but I hope you don't mind this "hijack" of the GUI topic :-) (though I'd object to the word 'hijack' ;-) - I rather picked it up, too :-) )
14:06:34  <planetmaker> Ammler: ?
14:08:47  <Ammler> Alberth: don't you like the proposal of andy?
14:09:02  <Ammler> IMO, that isn't OT in your thread
14:10:22  <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=876391#p876391      is something else than just newgrf gui imho
14:11:05  <Ammler> but it is newgrf gui too :-)
14:11:41  <Alberth> yes, that's how it got in that thread
14:11:53  <Ammler> don't you think, those should be identical?
14:13:10  <andythenorth> I started out with newgrf gui, then that led to thinking about overall 'flow' of game setup :)
14:13:32  <Alberth> Eventually, it would be good I think. However, all setup windows are taken/modified, so I have yet to see what the result is, and/or whether it is feasible
14:14:42  <peter1138> Reconfig done. Please re-execute make.
14:14:48  <peter1138> shouldn't it then... quit?
14:15:09  <Alberth> you shoul type 'make reconfigure ; make' :)
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15:17:02  <nighthawk_c_m> evening o/
15:18:15  <Alberth> oi
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16:01:28  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: smatz * r19818 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#3784](r16004): kicking clients by IP didn't work
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17:45:58  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19819 /trunk/src/lang/ (12 files): (log message trimmed)
17:45:58  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:58  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: croatian - 17 changes by VoyagerOne
17:45:58  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: esperanto - 1 changes by kristjan
17:45:58  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: finnish - 13 changes by jpx_
17:45:59  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: french - 23 changes by glx
17:45:59  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: hungarian - 22 changes by IPG
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18:15:00  <andythenorth> evening
18:15:42  <Belugas> ho he
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18:49:10  <__ln__> http://презОЎеМт.рф/
18:49:57  <Eoin> We did not find any results for: xn-- 12-4ha1c8wbabbbafl755fnsav7fja8536leza78d xn--idaa750vgqa. Please try a new query above.
18:51:11  <glx> works for me
18:51:24  <__ln__> Eoin: you are using the wrong character set then.
18:51:43  <glx> http://xn--d1abbgf6aiiy.xn--p1ai/ <-- that's it
18:52:41  <__ln__> and because Eoin's link is about two times longer, i'm assuming he sees my utf-8 link as iso-8859-x.
18:53:29  <Eoin> err
18:53:38  <Eoin> how do you change mIRC encoding
18:54:21  <glx> view|font
18:54:38  <Eoin> UTF-8 : Default
18:54:55  <Eoin> changed it to display and encode
18:55:01  <glx> change to "display and encode" yes
18:55:38  <glx> http://презОЎеМт.рф/ <-- now retry
18:55:49  <Eoin> http://xn--d1abbgf6aiiy.xn--p1ai/
18:55:57  <Eoin> :D
18:56:11  <glx> welcome in utf8 world :)
18:56:39  <Eoin> heh
18:59:45  <Eddi|zuHause> konversation horribly fails on that url...
19:00:08  <Eddi|zuHause> ... both of them...
19:00:45  <andythenorth> what to do what to do....
19:04:14  <Eoin> what else can i do with utf-8
19:04:15  <Eoin> €
19:04:19  <Eoin> make euro signs!
19:08:55  <Rubidium> ⢇⡞⢞⠢⡇⡇⢎⡁⢎⡱⢞⡱⢞⣭⠀⢞⢜⢞⢞⣀⢞⣀⢞⣭⢞⡱⠀⢰⠭⡆⣫⠰⣉⢞⢞⠀⢰⠭⡆⡯⡆⢹⠁⠀⢐⠰⡁
19:08:58  <Zuu> If you make enough of them, then you can maybe save the euro. :-p
19:13:45  <Eoin> lol
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19:18:07  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: you ripped that off frosch123's signature
19:18:26  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, I did
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19:18:53  <Rubidium> does ㏑ trigger you know whom's highlight thingy?
19:20:37  <welshdragon> http://i.imgur.com/EFOH6.jpg
19:20:39  <Eddi|zuHause> i have my doubts ;)
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19:20:46  <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: ooold...
19:20:59  <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: your face is old
19:21:12  <Eddi|zuHause> yes, indeed i look older than i am.
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19:48:43  <OwenS> glx: Hmm, that IDN doesn't seem to have any dots in it when expanded to Punycode? :s
19:49:02  <OwenS> OOh, it does, i'm blind :p
19:49:11  <OwenS> The xn-- in the middle should have been a great big clue :p
19:49:48  <OwenS> (Also, apparently ".xn--p1ai" is not in Chromium's safe for IDN registry :P)