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Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 01:22:11 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 01:35:04 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:42:46 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: They're takin the hobbits to Isengard!] 02:29:55 *** fjb is now known as Guest1766 02:29:56 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B067.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:32 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:34:34 *** Guest1766 [~frank@p5485F979.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:42:33 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:48:33 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:09:55 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC608A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 03:13:15 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-22-10.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:23 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:985:3871:9b11:beb1] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:18:37 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 04:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77A21.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B772F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:03:10 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:38:21 *** capeguy_2 [~capeguy@bb119-74-217-35.singnet.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:38:34 <capeguy_2> Anyone there? 05:38:38 <capeguy_2> !help 05:38:41 <capeguy_2> .. 05:38:56 *** capeguy_2 [~capeguy@bb119-74-217-35.singnet.com.sg] has left #openttd [] 05:58:39 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 06:00:48 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-13-210.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:02:11 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 06:02:46 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-108-33.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 06:02:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 06:07:49 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 06:17:31 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 06:25:09 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B067.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:30:17 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B7F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:36:20 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d199096.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:53:13 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:00:20 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:02:31 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-119-120.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 07:13:15 *** holyduck [~holyduck@77.106.153.34] has joined #openttd 07:20:10 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@ip-23-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:44:56 <Mazur> No, I'm here. 07:45:02 <Mazur> Not there. 07:45:04 <borgfish> hÀ 07:45:27 <Mazur> HÞ, hó. 07:46:38 <borgfish> °° 08:07:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EB3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:34:13 *** eper [psybnc@leviathan.eper.net] has joined #openttd 08:43:35 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 08:51:07 *** holyduck [~holyduck@77.106.153.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:55:14 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B7F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:56:51 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:57:55 *** Illegal_Alien [9c5301fb@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:03:26 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:05:51 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-108-33.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:08:06 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-40-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:08:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:18:34 <planetmaker> moin 09:19:09 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC608A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:49 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 09:30:50 <Terkhen> good morning 09:35:29 <Illegal_Alien> Morning? Its almost that other part of the day :P 09:35:42 <planetmaker> still half an hour to go ;-) 09:40:53 <Illegal_Alien> 15 minutes here 09:42:10 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB8F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:44:53 <sparr> that other part? prevening? 09:46:08 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 09:58:41 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:28 <Terkhen> good afternoon 10:07:03 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-40-17.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:10 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-47-151.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:09:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:19:55 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-47-151.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:08 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-113-109.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:22:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:25:17 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-254-168.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:36:03 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8501.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:37:43 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 10:43:44 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:43:44 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 10:48:01 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75726.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:47 <borgfish> can someone tell by what city growth is limited ? i got like 420k in there and its not growing anymore 10:50:20 <planetmaker> I got like 1.2 million 10:50:42 <planetmaker> but it depends upon which (if any) house newgrf used 10:50:59 <planetmaker> when a city builds something it can either replace an existing house or expand. 10:51:36 <planetmaker> the ratio of rim tiles vs. tiles within the town gets smaller the bigger a city gets. Thus growth will slow down quite naturally 10:51:38 <borgfish> well there is no newgrf. 10:51:50 <borgfish> okay 10:52:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B772F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:10 <borgfish> and if it has small cities arround it obviously cant grow into them. 10:52:16 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c344.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:52:18 <borgfish> but is not stopped genreally from growing arround ? 10:55:31 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 11:14:14 <borgfish> another question 11:14:29 <borgfish> i set "same_industry_close" but it still spawns alot of oil riggs 11:14:34 <borgfish> its too many of them 11:14:37 <borgfish> any other value ? 11:14:58 <borgfish> and is there a train lenght limit value for the mammoth train setting ? 11:15:11 <borgfish> i would love it to be like 14 instead of 8 11:27:18 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:31:01 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.83.181] has joined #openttd 11:43:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EB3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:54 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 11:48:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EB3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:49:05 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:03:03 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:32 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-22-10.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 12:12:30 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:49b2:11da:8b70:40cf] has joined #openttd 12:12:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:20:01 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-113-109.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:22:16 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-37-110.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:22:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:31:49 *** Clark_Lawson [~chatzilla@5acf025b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:57 <Clark_Lawson> !password 12:32:58 *** Clark_Lawson was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 12:43:10 *** sunk [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:46:05 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:48:07 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:40 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:51:05 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 12:51:28 *** sunk [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:56:34 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:10 *** JostVice [~jostvice@85.136.129.22.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 13:06:15 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 13:06:54 <Belugas> hello 13:07:06 <planetmaker> hello Belugas 13:07:15 <Belugas> sir planetmaker :) 13:08:04 <Alberth> hello planetmaker 13:08:17 <planetmaker> hello Alberth :-) 13:08:18 <Alberth> Belugas: how are you doing? 13:09:20 <Alberth> hmm, my system doesn't know the time any more :( 13:09:35 * planetmaker gives Alberth 15h and 10 minutes 13:09:38 <planetmaker> :-P 13:10:03 <planetmaker> Alberth, let it retreive time via ntp services :-) 13:11:00 <Belugas> Alberth, i;m fine, thanks. just in a rush as usual... 13:11:09 <Belugas> i've got a certification on-site in about 20 minutes 13:11:27 * Alberth starts the ntp service 13:11:30 <Belugas> and a few other projects almost simultaqenously 13:11:34 <Belugas> ntp? 13:11:40 <eper> network time protocol 13:11:41 <planetmaker> network time protocol 13:11:45 <eper> jinx 13:12:05 <Belugas> ha.. eayh 13:12:10 <Alberth> yeah, last friday of the month 13:12:22 <planetmaker> Alberth, you start the service or connect to it? :-P 13:12:38 <planetmaker> ntp.alberth.nl :-P 13:12:58 <planetmaker> Friday afternoon sillyness 13:13:30 <Alberth> planetmaker: I expect the system to sort out itself now :p 13:14:00 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 13:14:39 <planetmaker> :-) 13:15:10 <Alberth> the bios got messed up, I think. On boot, I also got the message that the case was opened. 13:16:58 <planetmaker> uh... probably old battery 13:17:19 <planetmaker> you might consider to replace it :-) 13:18:17 <Belugas> if ever it's still possible 13:19:25 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-119-120.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 13:23:40 * andythenorth considers trying civ 4 13:25:41 <planetmaker> consider the time it'll eat ;-) 13:27:09 * Belugas considers... working 13:27:23 * Belugas considers his mug of coffee 13:27:44 * Belugas looks at the kitchen and wonders if he feels like walking up to there for a refill 13:28:41 <Alberth> do you rather work, or refill your mug? 13:28:58 <planetmaker> there might be pre-conditions to be considered 13:29:31 <planetmaker> like optimising the net-gain function 13:29:36 * SpComb considers svn committing 13:30:28 <planetmaker> if work/time ~ coffee, it might well be worth to consider coffee. As zero coffee would result in zero work 13:30:40 <Belugas> Alberth, i've asked a colleague to refill for me :D 13:30:46 <planetmaker> :-D 13:44:55 *** lennard [lennard@lennardk2.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:06 *** lennard [lennard@lennardk2.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 13:47:36 *** sunkan [~Tarquin@90-224-108-233-no110.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 13:49:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 13:49:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v peter1138] by ChanServ 13:49:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v orudge] by ChanServ 13:49:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 13:49:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 13:59:55 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:12:55 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 14:12:56 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [] 14:13:35 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8501.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:02 *** Lapsus [~Lapsusant@H9.C206.cci.switchworks.net] has joined #openttd 14:18:07 <Lapsus> Hello! :3 14:20:01 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 14:21:04 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 14:24:01 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 14:30:58 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8501.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:35:07 <planetmaker> hello 15:03:57 *** Illegal_Alien [9c5301fb@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:14:38 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:26:28 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:29:18 *** Arkenklo [arkenklo@titan.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:31 <DJ_Nekkid> hi guys ... 15:37:52 <DJ_Nekkid> here is a very stupid question, but still ... What is the height of a tile (in px) 15:40:24 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-22-10.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 15:40:28 <planetmaker> 8px, DJ_Nekkid 15:40:43 <planetmaker> or you mean of a flat tile the y height? 15:40:48 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 15:40:51 <planetmaker> on the screen? 15:41:27 *** Strid_ [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:42:06 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-22-10.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:42:26 *** Sacro1 [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-22-10.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 15:43:20 <DJ_Nekkid> on the screen 15:43:24 <DJ_Nekkid> from one level to another 15:43:34 <DJ_Nekkid> how many px is that 15:44:43 <planetmaker> IIRC it says 8 px between two height levels 15:44:44 *** Strid [~Strid@c-fe85e555.013-46-6c6b7013.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 15:45:34 <DJ_Nekkid> oki :) 15:45:38 <DJ_Nekkid> ty mate 15:46:27 <planetmaker> http://marcin.ttdpatch.net/sv1codec/TTD-locations.html <--there 15:55:41 *** Arkenklo [arkenklo@titan.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 15:55:43 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:55:55 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:41:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75726.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:19 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-27-26-146.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: +++ OK ATH OK] 16:58:10 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 16:59:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5a7c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:08:01 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@89.246.171.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:39 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@client-86-27-26-146.glfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:15:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76D0F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:27:35 <Belugas> toum te de le de le doum 17:29:31 *** b_jonas [~x@dsl4E5C08C5.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 17:29:50 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes i don't get xkcd 17:32:45 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:35:54 *** Kraffslola [Kraffslola@c-adf9e253.011-100-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 17:41:18 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 17:44:55 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:37 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB8F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19900 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: french - 24 changes by ElNounch 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 10 changes by planetmaker 17:45:48 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: greek - 8 changes by fumantsu 17:45:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: indonesian - 4 changes by prof 17:45:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: irish - 69 changes by tem 17:59:06 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:04:50 <Belugas> sometimes, i don't get coffee 18:15:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a huge problem, obviously 18:15:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you should work on that 18:15:46 <lennard> sudo make me a sandwich 18:15:50 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:16:09 <Eddi|zuHause> you're not a sudoer 18:16:35 <Alberth> not in this channel anyway :) 18:22:10 <Alberth> Belugas: I can make you a cup of tea, or is that not strong enough for you? 18:23:02 <Alberth> lennard: nobody outside the unix community will understand that joke 18:23:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:24:06 <planetmaker> The linux community is strong within here ;-) 18:24:56 <lennard> well, some of the math people might recognize it 18:24:56 <Belugas> Alberth, in case of extreme limit, i MIGHT appreciate a cup of tea 18:24:59 <Alberth> the force is strong here :) 18:25:17 <Belugas> note: iced tea is wonderfull ;) 18:25:21 <Belugas> how strong? 18:26:20 <Alberth> I tend to have very light tea, but I can make your cup stronger :) 18:29:30 <planetmaker> You could bring Vla ;-) 18:33:34 * Alberth hands Belugas a hot cup of green tea 18:33:46 <Alberth> there you go, plenty of caffeine :) 18:34:17 <lennard> theine 18:34:25 <Belugas> meunoum meunoum! 18:34:49 <Belugas> lennard, who cares, as long as it gets right "ein" 18:34:53 <Belugas> buwhahahha 18:36:12 <Alberth> lennard: sure: http://www.amazing-green-tea.com/green-tea-caffeine.html 18:36:21 * Eddi|zuHause is fairly confident that Belugas really got mad now :p 18:36:45 <Alberth> friday afternoon, what do you expect ;) 18:37:01 <Alberth> he smells weekend :D 18:37:13 <Eddi|zuHause> why are you at work that late on fridays anyway? 18:37:39 <Alberth> at the other side of the big pond? sure :) 18:38:18 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:39:59 * frosch123 considered working a half day stupid. it is a whole lost day 18:40:38 <Belugas> hehehe :) 18:41:07 <Belugas> THIS friday is so crazy that i've gone mad just by looking at my workload 18:43:27 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-198-137-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 18:47:04 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:47:07 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: so you don't go to work on fridays? :p 18:47:51 <frosch123> i'm not working for volkswagen 18:50:36 *** DJ_Nekkid [~DJ___Nekk@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:54:13 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 19:03:03 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: ptr] 19:10:56 <andythenorth> evening 19:11:05 <Alberth> good evening andythenorth 19:12:38 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-37-110.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:14:45 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-52-238.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:14:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:26:47 <__ln__> http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/autonomous-quadrocopter-flies-through-windows-straight-into-our/ 19:31:31 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC608A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:42 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3874.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:43 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:46:43 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:24 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:48:37 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 19:51:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:52:41 <Belugas> 1:08 minutes still to ENDUUUUUURE! 19:53:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and i need to get up early... 19:57:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-54-199.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:13:41 *** Devedse [~Devedse@cable-213-34-232-56.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 20:16:09 <Belugas> 20h15. 26 secomds or so in GMT? 20:16:16 <Belugas> UTC 20:17:55 <Alberth> sounds about right 20:18:28 <Eddi|zuHause> only nobody is in that time zone actually ;) 20:18:45 <peter1138> bloody time zones 20:18:46 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe the icelandics 20:19:10 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i heard they shut down their aircraft inhibitor 20:22:46 <Belugas> time zones bloodying me quite madly 20:23:50 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 20:30:36 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39:33 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:07 <Wizzleby> Rubidium: (much belated response) AFAIK, 0.7.3 was gone from the tree by the time 0.7.5 was hardmasked. As it is currently, 1/2 of the arches needing to act on openttd-1.0.1 stabilization have done so. So FWIW, I think that things are not as bad as you suggest. I've been doing as much as I can currently to smooth things over between you folks and the gentoo devs, so, its not as if no-one cares. 20:55:09 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-90fbe253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:56:47 <Rubidium> Wizzleby: my point was that for 4 months they can live with a security issue which can be trivially exploited *without* modified binaries 20:57:09 <Wizzleby> Rubidium: and my point is, since I've started trying to smooth things over, that has changed 20:57:13 <Rubidium> but now..., after 0.7.5 got stabilised, they hardmask it 20:57:34 <Wizzleby> only two packages remain for arch teams to act on until 1.0.1 is entirely stablized 20:57:58 <Wizzleby> its still sub-optimal, that I will readily admit, but its better than when we first discussed the issue 20:58:04 <Rubidium> Wizzleby: the hardmasking on itself isn't my big problem, just their seemingly stupid reasons for (not) doing it 20:58:31 <Wizzleby> Rubidium: To which I pose no argument. I can't account for that, all I can do is attempt to rectify the situation 20:58:45 * Belugas gets the fuck-outta-heeeeere 20:58:50 <Belugas> bye bye all 20:58:53 <Rubidium> have a nice weekend Belugas 20:58:57 <Wizzleby> Take care 20:59:06 <Belugas> i will i will i will!!! 20:59:07 <Zuu> bye Belugas 20:59:09 * Belugas is gone 21:00:50 <Rubidium> Wizzleby: it just shows me there is no proper process for handling security issues in Gentto 21:00:54 <Rubidium> s/tto/too/ 21:01:39 <Wizzleby> Rubidium: there is, they just don't give a rat's arse about games security bugs (which is an issue I am aware of, and eventually aim on helping also). If it was not a game, they'd be much more responsive, which is silly I agree. 21:06:14 <Rubidium> Wizzleby: but if they don't care, they shouldn't hardmask either 21:06:44 <Rubidium> but then... Gentoo has had a hand in seeing major issues in basically non-issues and no issue with the real issue 21:08:17 <Wizzleby> Rubidium: they didn't hardmask. mr bones did at my request 21:08:39 <Wizzleby> after I informed him of the nature of the vulnerabilities 21:09:24 <Rubidium> e.g. a theoretically possible buffer overflow, only possible when using a custom language file with a string of > 2000 bytes, is seen as serious enough to actually make the effort to create a CVE record (why do that if you don't care?). And when you can possibly remotely execute code / a definite remotely exploitable buffer overflow isn't cared about. 21:10:38 <Wizzleby> Rubidium: we're on the same page that security issues related to games are not handled well. All I can do is put the same devotion towards fixing that as I have to addressing your concerns about how openttd is handled by us, which may take time, but is not something I intend to give up on 21:10:39 <Rubidium> still... the 0.7.5 issue is definitely a magnitude worse than any of the 1.0.1 issues 21:11:10 <Wizzleby> FWIW, it seems that when I applied that effort, things moved, which is at least better than them not moving. 21:11:37 <Rubidium> so "basically" (assuming packages aren't removed automatically) you'll leave people with 0.7.3 which is security wise worse than 0.7.5 21:12:02 <Rubidium> but yes, getting some movement in the repository is good 21:12:17 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 21:14:12 <Wizzleby> yes, currently, x86 and amd64 users will not see any openttd upgrade path until the x86 and amd64 teams stable the remaining two packages: opengfx and openttd. Its sad that ppc and ppc64 Arch Teams beat them to the punch, but if they don't have it addressed by tomorrow, i'm going to start asking them about it 21:14:48 <Rubidium> Wizzleby: 0.7.5 took 4 months for amd64 21:15:08 <Wizzleby> Rubidium: yeah, but catcodec only took them 1d. I'm giving them 2 till i start poking 21:15:10 <Rubidium> hmm, even more like 5 months 21:15:33 <Rubidium> catcodec is (almost) extremely trivial 21:16:13 <Wizzleby> They also reacted promptly for: grfcodec, nforenum, opensfx, and opengfx 21:16:38 <Wizzleby> I'm not sure what the hold up is for openttd and gfxcodec, but the others were prompt 21:18:15 <Rubidium> I'm wondering whether there's some sort of proces for checking which packages have requested stabilisation for a particular architecture 21:19:49 <Wizzleby> There is. Without actually discussing it with the amd64 AT, I can't speculate as to why they were so slow about openttd-0.7.5, but I intend to ask when I get the chance 21:21:34 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:21:43 <b_jonas> heh 21:22:11 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 21:22:28 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 21:23:04 <Wizzleby> Part of it could be a big queue, I'm seeing ~96 open STABLEREQ bugs addressed to the amd64 arch team 21:23:34 <Wizzleby> Their roster looks fairly small for handling such a widely used arch 21:23:51 <Wizzleby> roster of team members that is 21:23:53 <Rubidium> also, in theory at least, should be supportable on all platforms it supports; Debian has a compiled version for each of those architectures and I've never heard about any problems with it 21:26:58 *** b_jonas [~x@dsl4E5C08C5.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:27:49 <Wizzleby> Well, yeah. And I know for a fact that it is more than ready for stabilization on those two arches (which I actually use regularly). Each AT is composed of different folks though, and alas some seem faster to act than others. I will say that in general, the Gentoo ATs are understaffed, which has lead to a general lag into what gets a stable keyword 21:28:45 *** ptr [~peter@c213-89-142-224.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Zzzzzz] 21:28:47 <Wizzleby> Also that discussion has been going around the developer MLs on how to address when an AT is slow to respond over such stable requests as the ones we are discussing 21:31:02 *** Chillosophy [~fu@195-241-120-76.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 21:58:28 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 22:10:13 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:10:56 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:12:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EB3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:00 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-90fbe253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:02 *** Jezekus [~Jezekus@89.102.114.180] has joined #openttd 22:14:41 <Jezekus> Hello 22:15:42 <Jezekus> I'm little bit confused by generating random map when starting new dedicated server. It always results in same shape of map. 22:17:01 <Noldo> change the seed 22:17:36 <Jezekus> I did in cfg and also by parameter -G 22:24:13 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 22:28:21 <Rubidium> Jezekus: how do you generate the new map? By "restart"? 22:28:28 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 22:29:00 <Jezekus> Rubidium, yes 22:29:43 <Rubidium> there's your problem; restart is meant to start the same map again 22:29:45 <Rubidium> use newgame 22:29:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5a7c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:29:55 <Rubidium> or new_game 22:30:16 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:30:50 <Jezekus> Rubidium: ok so I have to login to rcon a do a newgame 22:32:12 <Jezekus> Rubidium: it looks like that it worked, thanks 22:32:56 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:37:30 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 22:44:32 *** Jezekus [~Jezekus@89.102.114.180] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:57:05 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has left #openttd [] 22:59:56 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d199096.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:46 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@r5ba58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:24:55 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 23:27:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:30:27 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:54 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-72-20.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:46:00 *** fjb [~frank@p5485ECF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:55:37 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.10.83.181] has quit [Quit: ãããã¿]