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00:03:41 <fjb> The French like frog's legs... 00:03:58 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8C23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:07:37 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:43 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-139-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:49 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-139-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:18:38 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3EB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 00:22:31 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 00:23:56 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-40-232.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:42:37 *** ajmiles2 [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:07:24 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051089072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: *schiel*] 01:09:12 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:17:45 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d4dc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:33:38 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:20:16 *** fjb is now known as Guest734 02:20:17 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FFC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:26:07 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:95bc:641c:8685:44bd] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:26:26 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@188.109.249.51] has joined #openttd 02:27:07 *** Guest734 [~frank@p5485ABC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:30:53 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-139-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:36:46 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 03:08:46 *** nickevasion [~thomas@adsl-070-145-036-129.sip.aby.bellsouth.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 04:49:51 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-253.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77848.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77BDE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:03:58 *** argotron [~chatzilla@86.122.14.1] has joined #openttd 05:04:03 <argotron> hello 05:06:11 <argotron> I would like to compile OpenTTD for Leopard and Snow Leopard Mac OS X, but I'm not sure what files to get by svn. I tried svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk but it will compile the latest nightly build. I would like to compile the latest stable version. 05:26:41 <argotron> svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/1.0.2 found it! :) 05:27:16 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF84E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:30:18 *** argotron [~chatzilla@86.122.14.1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35:48 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF84E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:35:53 *** argotron [~claudiu@86.122.14.1] has joined #openttd 05:50:10 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:50:14 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 05:50:44 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 05:55:26 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:05:52 <argotron> configure: error: no liblzo2 detected 06:06:00 <argotron> I just install it via macports 06:06:11 <argotron> I get the same behaviour on both 10.5 and 10.6 06:09:05 <DDR> The lib is installed, right? 06:09:31 <Rubidium> it's probably just installed somewhere unexpectedly 06:10:17 <Rubidium> I would ask the Mac OS X port maintainer to help you, but... there isn't one (which is probably the issue you've got as well) 06:12:19 <argotron> the lib is installed, yes 06:13:10 <argotron> well, where does OpenTTD configure looks for it? 06:13:47 <Rubidium> in /usr and /usr/local I guess 06:14:36 <peter1138> why don't we use pkg-config for these things? 06:14:38 <Rubidium> in any case, it looks in the same places as it looks for zlib (which is apparantly does find for you) 06:14:53 <Rubidium> peter1138: because pkg-config for liblzo2 is Debian specific 06:15:18 <argotron> yes, zlib is ok 06:15:30 <peter1138> oh right, lzo doesn't have a pc file (even on debian) 06:16:03 * peter1138 goes back to bed 06:17:13 <Rubidium> hmm, why do I see to remember liblzo2 having something pkg-config-y when it doesn't have it? 06:17:47 <argotron> is it ok to distribute MacOS X OpenTTD bundles on my website? 06:18:09 <peter1138> argotron, technically you need to distribute the source too 06:18:19 <argotron> no problem 06:18:24 <Rubidium> as long as you comply to the license 06:18:35 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:18:39 <argotron> There will be links to the official website too 06:19:45 <argotron> well, it worked just fine with --without-liblzo2 06:19:59 * Rubidium wonders how long it takes before people complain about it being broken in some way 06:24:05 <argotron> RUbidium, thanks for OpenTTD. I haven't got the chance to chat with you before. Thanks a lot for you work, it's an amazing game 06:26:34 <Ammler> argotron: please make specially the changes from original sources to your sources verbose, for example link to original source and provide a patch. 06:27:03 <argotron> I haven't touch the sources 06:27:24 <argotron> I got them via svn, ./configure, make, make build 06:27:24 <Ammler> then a link to openttd.org/download-stable or whatever should be fine 06:27:35 <argotron> sure, will do 06:36:12 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:37:35 <Mazur> And the search continues. 06:43:53 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:49:45 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3EB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:58:55 <argotron> allright, here it is: http://tanaselia.ro/openttd/ 07:09:10 <Ammler> argotron: Does it need the link to the download of TTD beside openttd? 07:09:40 <argotron> I thought it is a good ideea for people who like TTD graphics better 07:09:46 <argotron> like me 07:09:52 <Ammler> as ttd isn't abandoned and therefore it is illegal 07:10:52 <argotron> oh 07:10:59 <Ammler> http://www.chrissawyergames.com/faq2.htm <-- 2nd point 07:11:08 <__ln__> one cannot implicitly "abandon" copyright anyway 07:12:19 <Ammler> (you could link to amazon for example) 07:13:31 <argotron> fixed it 07:14:28 <Ammler> I got a 404 07:15:19 <argotron> where? on main URL? 07:16:28 <Ammler> no, the osx bundle 07:18:00 <planetmaker> hm... are there no snowy fences possible also with railtypes? 07:18:27 <argotron> Ammler, sorry for that, my bad, it should work now 07:18:33 <argotron> thanks for pointing it out 07:20:05 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:24:11 *** JVassie_ [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:34:02 * Rubidium wonders why you're not making an universal build with PPC 07:35:14 <Rubidium> after all, all the OS X trouble started when they started using x86 instead of PPC 07:36:21 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:41:05 <argotron> I tried making universal 07:41:20 <argotron> when linking, it gave me an error related to PPC 07:41:31 <argotron> it could not link, or something like that 07:42:13 <argotron> oh wait 07:42:18 <argotron> this was on Snow 07:42:25 <argotron> let me try it on Leopard 07:43:07 <Rubidium> probably macports doesn't give you support for that out of the box or something 07:43:18 <Rubidium> like not providing universal libraries 07:43:38 <Rubidium> interesting that you link against an unstable ICU though 07:44:03 <argotron> unstable ICU? 07:44:33 <argotron> I've just sudo port install icu 07:44:39 <Rubidium> yes, ICU 4.3 is the development version number for ICU 4.4 07:45:12 <planetmaker> macports by default only compiles libraries which match the current environment 07:45:21 <planetmaker> macports accepts as parameter UNIVERSAL:=1 07:45:30 <planetmaker> at least for some libraries. 07:45:41 <planetmaker> it has to be supported by the respective package 07:46:10 <planetmaker> but even then UNIVERSAL has a different meaning depending upon the SDK you build against. 07:46:20 <argotron> how about sudo port install lzo2 +universal ? 07:46:22 <planetmaker> e.g. on 10.6 it only means to build i386 and x64 libraries 07:46:33 <planetmaker> argotron: yes, that way 07:46:53 <planetmaker> as such a ppc build will need building at least against 10.5 07:47:08 <argotron> will try doing it now 07:47:33 <argotron> I'm no programmer, I'm just doing this for myself 07:47:34 <Rubidium> although for universal you should link against the 10.4u SDK/libraries 07:48:19 <argotron> and I thought sharing with anyone interested, though any help or input is greatly appreciated, since making a quality think is a top priority 07:49:14 <planetmaker> argotron: building a truely universal binary is unfortunately not quite straight forward 07:49:34 <Rubidium> then you're probably better of fixing the bugs than figuring out how to make a universal build :) 07:50:09 <argotron> I could report bugs, I have little knowledge on how to fix them :) 07:51:29 <Rubidium> oh, there are even more bugs than the ones already reported 07:51:32 <Rubidium> +? 07:52:38 <argotron> don't ask me, my previous OpenTTD worked flawlessly (Windows7, WindowsX, Leopard) 07:52:49 <argotron> I'm new to this dev part :) 07:53:10 <argotron> erm, WindowsXP that is 07:55:10 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:56:32 * planetmaker wants snowy fences 07:56:34 <argotron> interesting, after sudo port install lzo2 +universal, ./configure --enable-universal works and don't spit out errors about lzo2 07:57:28 <planetmaker> you will fail to install libtimidi via this easy macports way 07:57:41 <planetmaker> or I just didn't find it 07:58:03 <argotron> currently make-ing 07:59:04 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 08:01:09 <argotron> src/table/settings.h:660: warning: integer overflow in expression 08:01:22 <argotron> but keeps on going 08:02:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20009 /trunk/src/signs_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#3893]: sign sorting was unstable 08:02:48 <argotron> well, I don't think it will work: http://pastebin.com/SpAXWkVn 08:03:28 <Rubidium> what do you think those errors tell you? 08:04:22 <Rubidium> start as usual at the top because later errors/warnings can easily be caused by the cause of earlier errors/warnings 08:05:48 <argotron> I'll let it finish and then post the whole log 08:06:50 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-254-168.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:09:54 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:13:10 <argotron> fail compiling an universal: http://pastebin.com/hsC5PaAJ 08:14:05 <Rubidium> could've told you it would completely fail 08:14:26 <Rubidium> your libicu library is not a universal library so it fails linking to it for PPC 08:15:20 <Rubidium> the settings.h:660 warning makes no sense to me 08:18:14 <Eddi|zuHause> there's 5 kinds of issues in there: 1) icu not universal, 2) zlib is duplicate, 3) warning in settings.cpp, 4) warnings in newgrf_debug, 5) warnings in smallmap_gui 08:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause> settings.h 08:19:02 <Rubidium> the last is broken compiler 08:19:32 <Rubidium> then one before that is pointless (or is the destructor called on exit()?) 08:22:09 <Rubidium> the one before that I've got no clue about; there doesn't seem to be that much math in that line (or the macro expression expanded line for that matter) 08:38:20 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 08:39:42 <argotron> allright, website moved to www.starlog.ro/openttd 08:39:55 <argotron> hopefully, it will stay here 08:43:41 <peter1138> chrome[18833]: segfault at bbadbeef 08:43:43 <peter1138> hee 08:43:55 <SpComb> canary! 08:43:59 <FauxFaux> Derrr. 08:55:10 <Rubidium> were you reading about unicorn meat? 08:56:10 <peter1138> um 08:56:17 <peter1138> no 09:15:58 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3EB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:16:36 *** CIA-1 [cia@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 09:16:37 *** CIA-8 [cia@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 09:16:39 *** CIA-8 [cia@208.69.182.149] has quit [] 09:31:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:36:16 *** schlummOr [~a@pD4B9EF3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:36:38 <argotron> on Snow Leopard, are there any switches for x86_64 or i386 options, when compiling OpenTTD? 09:37:18 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:37:59 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051089072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:47:51 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:48:40 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9788.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:52:15 *** CIA-2 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 09:53:50 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:00:13 *** schlummOr [~a@pD4B9EF3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 10:01:43 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 10:10:22 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.250.146] has joined #openttd 10:22:12 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:28:27 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-44-89.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:41 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-69-111.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:30:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:30:56 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.206] has joined #openttd 10:31:46 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.206] has quit [] 10:33:35 <Rubidium> argotron: probably something with CFLAGS="-arch ..." 10:34:45 <argotron> allright 10:38:20 <planetmaker> argotron, most easy - if you only want one architecture is to use gcc_select 10:38:40 <planetmaker> ah, nvm. wrong answer of mine ;-) 10:38:51 <argotron> I would like to build it for both archs 10:38:57 <argotron> both 32 and 64 bits 10:39:40 <planetmaker> then just --enable-universal is sufficient 10:39:45 <planetmaker> if you're on 10.6 10:40:15 <planetmaker> you just have to make sure to have all required libraries also as i386 and x64 version present 10:40:28 <planetmaker> e.g. having installed them via macports with +universal on 10.6 10:40:35 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:40:48 <argotron> I tried that, but it fails while trying to compile for PowerPC 10:41:08 <argotron> on 10.6, that is 10:41:48 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it will always try to make PPC binaries with --enable-universal and never 64 bits (for that you need --enable-universal=64) 10:41:58 <Rubidium> but then you're still going to need PPC stuff 10:45:33 <planetmaker> Rubidium, true. Thanks 10:45:34 <argotron> damn 10:45:41 <argotron> I'm trying to avoid PPC stuff 10:45:43 <planetmaker> forgot about that... 11:08:04 *** FaRsCh [~f0.141283@188.91.213.177] has joined #openttd 11:09:54 *** FaRsCh [~f0.141283@188.91.213.177] has left #openttd [ BlaScript ] 11:14:20 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 11:17:35 <peter1138> yay, another chrome segfault 11:18:32 <fjb> Moin 11:20:35 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:40:50 *** argotron [~claudiu@86.122.14.1] has quit [Quit: argotron] 11:51:21 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8ce9:e89d:9d49:d2db] has joined #openttd 11:51:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:01:43 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:17:47 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e180229244.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:19:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:25:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@f051089072.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:20 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 13:25:08 <Belugas> hello 13:32:07 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 13:43:58 <fjb> Moin Belugas 13:44:21 <Belugas> yo yo jfb 13:44:25 <Belugas> ahrg 13:44:30 <Belugas> fjb 13:44:31 <Belugas> sorry 13:44:45 <Belugas> it's morning you have to be forgiving 13:48:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 13:53:37 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has quit [Quit: IRC is just multiplayer notepad] 13:55:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BEAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:59:21 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has joined #openttd 14:07:32 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has quit [Quit: IRC is just multiplayer notepad] 14:07:55 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has joined #openttd 14:08:37 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:17:13 <fjb> :-) 14:28:11 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@87.80-202-130.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 14:32:52 <Ammler> he, glx, looks like you got free time for coding ;-) 14:34:17 <Eddi|zuHause> south africa must win with at least 3 goals ahead, and in mex-uru one must lose, then south africa has chances to go on 14:34:49 <Ammler> yes, but if France loses, mex and uru will qualify 14:35:15 <Ammler> or shall I check the table again? 14:35:39 <Eddi|zuHause> they both have 2 points, and the others have both 5 points, i believe 14:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause> so it can be 8,5,5,2 then between the 5's the goal difference counts 14:36:14 <glx> mex and uru just need a draw 14:36:36 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, if they have a draw, it's 6,6,5,2 14:36:47 <Eddi|zuHause> or 6,6,3,3 14:36:54 <PeterT> glx: I think france will lose :p 14:37:10 <glx> of course they will :) 14:37:14 <Ammler> :-) 14:37:34 <PeterT> :-D 14:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause> PeterT: theoretically, they play against one of the weakest teams in the world cup 14:38:13 <PeterT> South Africa got another goal literally 5 seconds after you said that 14:38:14 <Ammler> but they are resistant against vuvuzelas ;-) 14:38:24 <PeterT> I HATE VUVUZELAS 14:38:34 <Rubidium> I doubt France will loose in the 90 minutes alotted 14:38:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: oh, so THAT's the plan :p 14:39:04 <Rubidium> or is the game already started? 14:39:14 <Ammler> yes, around 30 mins 14:39:15 <PeterT> Rubidium: yep, started 38 minutes ago ;-) 14:39:20 <Rubidium> and they didn't strike? 14:39:24 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 14:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: france has 1 player less, because of red card 14:39:58 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39:58 <Eddi|zuHause> (which was, apparently, too hard) 14:40:37 <PeterT> too harsh, you mean? 14:40:45 <PeterT> I agree, it was only an elbow to the face 14:41:11 <Belugas> better that then a hockey stick, if you want my opinion ;) 14:41:29 <Belugas> then->than 14:41:31 <Belugas> i think 14:41:41 <PeterT> haha :-) 14:41:44 <Eddi|zuHause> correct, Belugas ;) 14:41:49 <glx> seems way more valid than Kaka explusion :) 14:41:58 <Eddi|zuHause> but don't they have helmets in hockey? 14:42:36 <PeterT> glx: Kaka got a red? how are they going to win against portugal then? 14:42:42 <Ammler> [16:39] <Eddi|zuHause> (which was, apparently, too hard) <-- many red "wrong" red cards already 14:42:42 <Belugas> yeah, but it's not enough. they should wear knight armor, those guys 14:44:10 <Belugas> in the mean time, i've got something to announce! 14:44:28 <PeterT> Uruguay scores! 14:44:39 <Belugas> today is the last day of school for my son before summer vacations!! 14:44:52 <Rubidium> Belugas: the horror! :) 14:44:54 <PeterT> Belugas: congratulations! what grade? 14:45:04 <Belugas> for my wife, yes ;) 14:45:23 <Belugas> in septembre, he'll be on 1st grade :) 14:45:33 <PeterT> so he just finished Kindergarten 14:45:38 <planetmaker> oh :-) 14:45:52 <planetmaker> he looks as old that I thought he'd already attend school 14:46:03 <planetmaker> will be sooo exciting for him ;-) 14:46:09 <Belugas> yup. he's happy. he'll be with the olds now ;) 14:46:16 <planetmaker> :-) 14:46:22 <PeterT> hehe :-) 14:46:24 <Belugas> planetmaker, he's the tallest of his level. 14:46:28 <planetmaker> As long as he's looking forward all is fine :-) 14:46:29 <Eddi|zuHause> there's always gonna be someone older :p 14:46:41 <Eddi|zuHause> and they tend to always be the same guys :p 14:46:42 <PeterT> well, I enter my first year of high school next year :-D 14:46:42 <Belugas> whihc, as i've seen, is a good argument for him to the an openttd dev soon:D 14:47:07 <Belugas> been tall.. that is.. 14:48:07 <Belugas> PeterT, first year of high school? in US you mean? that makes you like a teenager? 14:48:50 <Ammler> hmm, what is that? 16? 14:48:50 <peter1138> he's a young whippersnapper 14:48:50 <Belugas> that must be an exciting moment. I can't remember my own time, to be honest 14:48:50 <Eddi|zuHause> watching a game on mute with subtitles is funny :) 14:49:06 <Belugas> lol@peter 14:49:24 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: because the subtitles lag a lot? 14:49:26 <PeterT> Belugas: yes, in US. I'm going to be 15 and going into 9th grade :) 14:49:35 <Rubidium> telling what has been said half a minute ago or something? 14:50:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yeah, about like that... 14:50:37 <Belugas> yurk... here is my delivery ... 254 logs to analyse 14:50:41 <PeterT> I think in the US, teenager is from 13-20 or so 14:50:44 * Belugas is on another planet now 14:50:52 <Rubidium> Belugas: add 2 and you're done! 14:51:19 <Belugas> :S 14:51:28 <Belugas> good luck and good fun, PeterT 14:51:36 <Eddi|zuHause> what would be funny now if france now doesn't appear anymore, and south africa gets scored 5:0 ;) 14:51:42 <glx> only if log count is uint8 14:51:55 <PeterT> Belugas, thanks very much :) 14:52:28 <Rubidium> ofcourse it is 14:54:50 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 15:03:21 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:12:45 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:20:20 <__ln__> Tegel is quite non-big to be an airport of a capital city of a big country 15:24:04 <Eddi|zuHause> west berlin kinda hat space-problems :p 15:24:16 <Eddi|zuHause> schönefeld in east berlin is bigger 15:25:18 <__ln__> and somewhere i read that they are building something new to replace tegel 15:25:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the second problem of tegel is, that it is not reachable by train 15:25:42 <__ln__> i was just about to say tegel doesn't have rail connection 15:25:58 <Eddi|zuHause> afair, they are expanding schönefeld into "berlin brandenburg international" 15:26:13 <__ln__> (not that any airport in finland would have, not even helsinki) 15:27:16 <Eddi|zuHause> many german airports have rail connection 15:28:29 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but... even Amsterdam's airport is directly reachable from Berlin by train 15:28:32 <Eddi|zuHause> there's an agreement that inner-german flight tickets are also valid on ICE trains on the same route 15:30:02 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:22 <__ln__> of german airports i've flown to/from Hamburg, Bremen, MÃŒnchen, Hannover and Tegel, and only Tegel and Hamburg (at least back then) weren't connected by rail 15:33:03 <planetmaker> [17:26] <__ln__> [17:20:21] Tegel is quite non-big to be an airport of a capital city of a big country <-- Berlin has three airports. All together they add up :-) 15:33:40 <Eddi|zuHause> three? i thought they closed tempelhof? 15:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause> haha... "france shot a goal, that makes them better than 2002 in south korea and japan" 15:35:22 <planetmaker> Schönefeld, Tegel and Tempelhof 15:35:28 <planetmaker> yes, the latter is closed meanwhile 15:35:29 <__ln__> tempelhof runway was filled with people rollerskating, but they didn't have wings. nor proper lights. 15:35:39 <Eoin> lolololol south africa 15:37:09 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: tegel might be fairly small, but you can get totally lost when driving a car :p 15:38:45 <Eddi|zuHause> and you can only park 20 minutes for free, which is kinda bad when the arriving plane is 50 minutes late 15:39:28 <__ln__> that can be a problem 15:41:19 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: the free parking time is quite common for airports 15:41:41 <planetmaker> the parking fees seem to follow a 1/r law wrt to the entrance of the airports 15:41:58 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: maybe they should do it like Marseille station; it's 10 minutes, but they stay there for more than an hour without getting fined 15:42:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: you can stay longer, but each 10 minutes more is like 3⬠15:42:46 <__ln__> i went to the Reichstag building before 10 o'clock this morning, but the line was already like 200 meters 15:42:46 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to pay on exit 15:43:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i never managed to get inside 15:43:10 <Rubidium> ah 15:43:13 <planetmaker> outch @ __ln__ 15:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> so... south africa has 6 more minutes to shoot 3 goals :p 15:46:24 <__ln__> that must be the so-called 'foot ball' you are talking about 15:46:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the finnish candy is great, but it's empty so fast 15:47:45 <__ln__> good to hear you liked it 15:48:30 <Eddi|zuHause> did you know that german is the only language where "Finnland" is written with two n? 15:49:04 <__ln__> i didn't know but i would have guessed so 15:49:25 <Eddi|zuHause> well, "important" language... 15:50:35 <__ln__> i assume Dumle is not available in germany despite the fact that the bag has text in german, czech and all other imaginable languages? 15:50:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never seen it 15:51:04 <Eddi|zuHause> but maybe i never looked 15:51:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Administr@88.130.163.115] has joined #openttd 15:51:51 <__ln__> i've also never seen it outside the nordic countries 15:52:49 <fjb> The finish candy is really great. 15:53:50 <__ln__> so, there's yet another reason for you both to visit finland 15:54:05 <Rubidium> it reminds me of "Chokotoff", although that's (much) harder 15:54:55 <__ln__> fjb: thanks again for the ride, btw 15:55:49 <fjb> No problem, the hotel was in my direction any way. 15:56:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Administr@88.130.153.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:26 <__ln__> uh oh, too much gprs data already, gotta go offline. 15:57:47 <__ln__> copenhagen airport out 15:58:49 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f43ee.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:02:07 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@87.80-202-130.nextgentel.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:06:51 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3EB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:46 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@87.80-202-130.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 16:15:18 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:28 <Belugas> hoo... the frosch123 man! 16:17:33 <Belugas> welcome aboard 16:18:13 <frosch123> afternoon belugas :) evening everyone else 16:18:37 <Belugas> :) 16:19:40 <planetmaker> hello frosch123 16:21:57 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20010 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/chuvash.txt: -Add: Chuvash language stub 16:25:01 * frosch123 was never good at geography 16:26:56 <planetmaker> central Asia 16:27:46 <Belugas> ALL OVER THE WORLD!!! 16:30:09 <planetmaker> yes. true. By 34000 people outside of Chuvashia 16:30:12 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has joined #openttd 16:32:40 <Eddi|zuHause> what the heck is chuvashia? 16:32:52 <Eddi|zuHause> never heard of that place 16:33:00 <peter1138> sounds like a local village for local people 16:33:09 <frosch123> something between russia and turkey 16:34:56 <Eddi|zuHause> that is _in_ russia 16:35:22 <Hirundo> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Map_of_Russia_-_Chuvash_Republic_%282008-03%29.svg 16:35:34 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: I wonder what Chuvashia is as well... it is said to be a republic but part of Russian 16:35:47 <Rubidium> s/n$// 16:35:54 <Eddi|zuHause> well, russia is a federal state 16:36:19 <Eddi|zuHause> so it's perfectly plausible that it consists of different republics with certain autonomous rights 16:36:23 <Rubidium> so Russia is like the EU? 16:37:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a little difficult to get it historically right... 16:38:03 <Eddi|zuHause> but even under communistic rule it was called a "federal republic" 16:38:33 <Eddi|zuHause> "russian socialistic federal soviet republic" -> "RSFSR" 16:39:52 <Eddi|zuHause> (and today it's called "Russian federation") 16:40:40 <Rubidium> so it's a bit of a special case 16:40:46 *** GVV [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has joined #openttd 16:42:18 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:30 <Eddi|zuHause> wikipedia says "republics" were created for non-russian people within russian territory 16:44:37 <Eddi|zuHause> other areas have less autonomy 16:45:19 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Federal_subjects_of_Russia_(by_type).svg&filetimestamp=20080301120453 16:52:25 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3EB8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 17:03:20 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:08:30 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:12:03 <Wolf01> hi 17:12:19 * Rubidium pre-emptively burries Wolf01 17:15:27 <fjb> Moin Wolf01 17:16:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:26:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:26:47 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:39:03 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20011 /trunk/src/lang/ (indonesian.txt swedish.txt): 17:45:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: indonesian - 4 changes by adjayanto 17:45:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: swedish - 11 changes by tool 17:59:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab8a2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:03:07 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:13 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 18:08:22 *** Alberth1 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:08:22 *** Alberth is now known as Guest812 18:08:22 *** Alberth1 is now known as Alberth 18:10:28 <Belugas> welcome home sir Alberth 18:10:48 <Alberth> hello Belugas 18:13:52 <fjb> Hello Alberth 18:14:09 *** Guest812 [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:14:16 <Alberth> it is a bit quiet here, it seems 18:14:22 <Alberth> hello fjb 18:14:40 <Belugas> quite :) 18:14:47 <Wolf01> hello Alberth 18:14:59 <Belugas> people are saying hello and just go silent :) 18:15:29 <Alberth> hmm, I should stop typing words here, then :) 18:15:36 <PeterT> hello fjb, Belugas, Wolf01, Alberth 18:15:37 * PeterT silent 18:17:19 <Alberth> anybody know how to convince hg that changes in line-endings are not real changes, and can be ignored safely? 18:18:36 <Eddi|zuHause> -w --ignore-all-space ignore white space when comparing lines? 18:20:09 <Belugas> hg... one day, i shold get on it... 18:20:35 <Alberth> today seems like a good day to me :) 18:21:12 <Belugas> hem... nope, i'm only halfway through my 254 logs uner investigation ;) 18:21:21 <Belugas> but thanks for the invitation hehehe 18:25:43 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:40:23 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@cpc10-lewi14-2-0-cust874.know.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:42:55 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:46:28 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: I have the Win32text extension enabled http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/Win32TextExtension , and it makes a mess with a file that has different line endings 18:47:00 <Alberth> But they now also have EolExtension, I noticed, which seems very interesting 18:57:55 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab8a2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:30 <Ammler> Alberth: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/home/wiki/Configuring_TortoiseHg_%28Windows%29#Ending-with-Line-Endings 19:07:14 <Ammler> dunno, if that is still up2date :-/ 19:09:13 * Alberth does hard-core cli terminal usually 19:09:54 <Ammler> well, that is also for the console mercurial 19:11:06 <Ammler> tortoisehg is just a frontend, afaik 19:11:40 <Yexo> you can set all those options also in ~/.hgrc 19:13:31 <Ammler> tortoisehg is btw. also very nice on linux :-) 19:16:08 <Alberth> yes, but you cannot script clicking on a button, hence I prefer cli 19:17:25 <Alberth> Ammler: "... it's decided that only Unix style line endings should be used in commits..." still holds? 19:17:26 <Alberth> if so, the docs/license.ptxt is broken. 19:17:51 <Ammler> Alberth: well, that was made for opengfx 19:17:51 <Alberth> (and it should be "it has been decided", I think, but that is another matter) 19:18:11 <Ammler> I think, it is generally up to the project managers :-) 19:18:19 <Alberth> oh, for swedishrails is that 19:18:34 <Ammler> but I guess, a good recommendation 19:18:46 <Alberth> I will ask pm when he returns :p 19:18:58 <Alberth> thanks for the info 19:19:17 <Ammler> we also found out, that the readme linebreaks at least for the releases should be windows 19:19:41 <Ammler> as linux can easy ignore \r but windows needs it 19:20:16 <Alberth> makes sense 19:20:24 <Ammler> but that should be done by unix2dos 19:32:36 *** einKarl [~einKarl@95-89-121-65-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:18 <Rubidium> s/windows/notepad/ 19:36:42 <Alberth> exactly :) 19:36:50 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 19:36:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 19:38:01 <Alberth> perhaps 'type' is also broken, but it is unlikely that any windows user would ever find that command :) 19:40:00 <Ammler> well, players usually don't have something else then notepad to read readme 19:40:17 *** GVV [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:18 *** SHADOW-XIII [~Miranda@cpc10-lewi14-2-0-cust874.know.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:58 <Ammler> and you can't blame those to read the readme if it is only useable with proper reader 19:41:01 <Alberth> they also have wordpad then, but adding \r seems like a good idea to me for the win* users 19:41:14 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@oc-192.z-labor.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:41:56 <Ammler> and for openttd, it is easy, they can customize the readme for plattform, we can't :-) 19:42:24 <Rubidium> Ammler: we can't either... it has \r if you're using wine when it wouldn't be needed 19:42:33 <Ammler> hehe :-P 19:46:52 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:51:03 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 19:53:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:04:55 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-33-183.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:23:40 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:05 <andythenorth> evening 20:25:14 <andythenorth> anything happening? 20:27:45 <Rubidium> andythenorth: some andythenorth entity is asking whether anything is happening 20:29:03 <andythenorth> strange 20:29:14 <andythenorth> these are cute: http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=329023&nseq=88 20:32:27 <Alberth> quite 20:32:53 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the RhÀtische Bahn, right? 20:33:03 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4A0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:05 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@87.80-202-130.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:42:23 <__ln__> 10 HOME SWEET : 20 GOTO 10 20:44:54 <Ammler> RhB 20:45:05 <frosch123> hmm, yes, basic used colons for separating instructions. would not have remembered that 20:46:51 <glx> but the "20" is syntax error in this case IIRC 20:47:14 <__ln__> yes, probably, now that i think of it 20:54:33 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dedd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:47 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57:47 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 21:00:23 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f43ee.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:39 <Belugas> night, i 21:10:47 <Belugas> m runnning a way, tired and opissed 21:11:18 <Alberth> good night 21:12:08 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:16:50 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:17:47 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:19:30 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:41 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:25:04 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:28:49 <SmatZ> @seen Zachanima 21:28:49 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Zachanima was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 22 hours, 10 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <zachanima> that would be nothing less than swell 21:29:09 <SmatZ> he's gone :( 21:36:11 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:53 <PeterT> SmatZ: so? 21:40:34 <Wolf01> 'night 21:40:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host226-233-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:41:21 <PeterT> he could come back :-) 21:41:47 <__ln__> fjb: that's PeterT above 21:42:10 <PeterT> __ln__: ? 21:42:20 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:43:07 <Yexo> __ln__: fjb only needed one line from PeterT yesterday to say "oh, that PeterT" 21:43:40 <PeterT> what are you guys talking about? 21:43:48 <__ln__> ah, i haven't read the backlog thoroughly enough 21:44:07 <fjb> __ln__: I know by now. :-) 21:44:28 <fjb> __ln__: But thank you. 21:46:43 <__ln__> btw, how many nationalities did we have... seven? 21:47:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BEAC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:28 <Yexo> german, dutch, swiss, czech, danish, swedish <- I only count 6 21:48:39 <__ln__> *cough* 21:48:55 <Yexo> ah, seven :) 21:48:58 <Yexo> finnish, right? 21:49:00 <__ln__> yeah 21:52:30 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:58 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:52 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:15:01 *** Nekomaster [~Nekomaste@CPE00222d3924d0-CM00222d3924cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 22:15:04 <Nekomaster> Hey guys 22:17:18 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dreamxtre@92.8.98.253] has joined #openttd 22:17:46 <Nekomaster> Anyone around? 22:18:17 <Yexo> please read the topic 22:19:41 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 22:19:55 <Nekomaster> What topic? 22:20:05 <Yexo> of this channel 22:20:09 <Yexo> @topic get -2 22:20:09 <DorpsGek> Yexo: Don't ask to ask, just ask 22:20:15 <glx> @topic get 3 22:20:15 <DorpsGek> glx: Don't ask to ask, just ask 22:20:20 <Nekomaster> Whats that suppose to meen? 22:20:29 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 22:20:38 <Yexo> don't ask "anyone around?" first, just ask whatever you want to ask 22:20:45 <Yexo> it's utterly pointless 22:21:00 <Nekomaster> Well sorry for asking if theres people to talk to 22:21:10 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-43-176.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:21:39 <TruePikachu> I am having quite a lot of trouble with multiplayer 22:22:01 <Nekomaster> How so? 22:22:07 <TruePikachu> The only way I can connect to ANY multiplayer is directly on my loopback 22:22:12 <TruePikachu> (I am on Linux) 22:22:16 <Nekomaster> Ahh... hmm 22:22:23 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4A0E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 22:22:33 * Nekomaster wonders what a loopback is 22:22:38 <TruePikachu> 127.0.0.1 22:22:52 <TruePikachu> ^ that IP 22:22:57 <glx> you are the server? 22:22:57 <Nekomaster> Normally it should just work 22:23:12 <TruePikachu> I can't find any servers though. 22:23:15 <Nekomaster> unless you have some weird network configureation 22:23:19 <TruePikachu> glx, yes, I hosted 22:23:40 * Nekomaster is trying to make a Narrow Gauge Covered Hopper 22:23:47 <__ln__> http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/kuvat/tmp/peine.jpg 22:23:48 <glx> so it can be normal to not be able to connect to your server via the router 22:24:02 <TruePikachu> wlan0: [PC]->[Wireless Adapter]~>[Wireless Modem]->[WWW] 22:24:14 <glx> some routers are stupid and don't redirect inside to inside 22:24:31 <TruePikachu> The thing is that the server is only able to be seen on loopback, not even on LAN 22:24:51 <TruePikachu> This router works with inside->inside redirecting all the time 22:25:02 <TruePikachu> (it works correctly all the time) 22:25:04 <Yexo> is there something in the [server_bind_address] section in your config file? 22:25:11 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab8a2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:16 <Yexo> and how are you starting your server? 22:25:16 <glx> I mean PC wants to access to PC via public IP 22:25:25 <glx> but router deny it 22:26:01 <TruePikachu> I start my server by in-game menu 22:26:18 <TruePikachu> [server_bind_addresses] is empty 22:26:35 <glx> you should be able to join local ip too if loopback works 22:27:13 <TruePikachu> My LAN IP is custom hostname wlan = 67.49.43.176 22:27:34 <TruePikachu> (so wlan is how the LAN sees me) 22:27:52 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D9788.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 22:27:59 <TruePikachu> remind me of the server port # 22:28:01 <glx> doesn't look like a private ip 22:28:06 <glx> @ports 22:28:06 <DorpsGek> glx: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 22:28:23 <TruePikachu> glx, ? 22:28:23 <Nekomaster> hmm 22:28:39 <TruePikachu> hostname is set in /etc/hosts 22:29:02 <TruePikachu> 192.168.0.*** is my LAN 22:29:31 <TruePikachu> This local IP is 67.49.43.176, subnet 255.255.255.0, broadcast 192.168.0.255 22:30:27 <TruePikachu> When I execute 'nmap -p3979 localhost', the port is open. A second instance of OpenTTD also finds it on localhost 22:31:10 <TruePikachu> When I execute 'nmap -p3979 wlan', the port is filtered. A second instance of OpenTTD decides it's offline 22:31:49 <glx> oh no router 22:32:14 <TruePikachu> I have a feeling that OpenTTD might only be looking at inet lo (which is loopback-only) rather than inet wlan0 (my wireless connection) 22:32:46 *** VVG [~sdfkhksd@85.249.0.43] has joined #openttd 22:33:02 <VVG> hi 22:33:05 <TruePikachu> oh no router??? 22:33:31 <glx> for me the weird thing is the ip of the PC 22:33:53 <TruePikachu> What makes you sure it's weird? 22:34:12 <TruePikachu> 192.168.***.*** is the standardized LAN for home networks 22:34:42 <TruePikachu> Businesses use 10.***.***.*** (I think) 22:35:34 <glx> <TruePikachu> This local IP is 67.49.43.176 <-- so this is the public IP (modem one) 22:36:12 <TruePikachu> That is the public IP address. 22:36:34 <TruePikachu> The 67.49.43.176 is the private IP address, only applying to the LAN 22:37:17 <TruePikachu> I can only see the server from loopback; not from the LAN, not from outside the LAN 22:37:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i suspect the network config is kinda wrong... 22:38:08 <Eddi|zuHause> your information sounds kinda contradicting 22:38:12 <TruePikachu> So do I, but it seems all correct to me. 22:38:29 <TruePikachu> ? what do you mean, for this contradicting? 22:39:16 <TruePikachu> *being contradicting 22:39:40 <Eddi|zuHause> <TruePikachu> That is the public IP address. 22:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause> <TruePikachu> The 67.49.43.176 is the private IP address 22:39:54 <glx> unless it's a bridge connection 22:39:55 <Eddi|zuHause> this is a contradiction in my book 22:40:04 <glx> in that case there's no router 22:40:19 <glx> but via wifi that's strange 22:40:23 <TruePikachu> I never said that 67.49.43.176 was the private IP address 22:40:49 <Eddi|zuHause> you did. it's right there... 22:40:52 <glx> can you reach your server via it's 192.168 ip ? 22:40:58 <TruePikachu> Yes. 22:41:20 <glx> ok then it's the usual stupid router not allowing you to reach public ip via inside 22:41:41 <TruePikachu> ? 22:41:46 <glx> and the "from outside" part is missing port redirections 22:42:13 <TruePikachu> No, I've forwarded 3979 to 67.49.43.176 22:42:24 <glx> that's wrong 22:42:35 <TruePikachu> And that doesn't explain why it can't be found from inside the network 22:42:36 <glx> you should forward to your 192.168 22:43:10 *** Nekomaster [~Nekomaste@CPE00222d3924d0-CM00222d3924cc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 22:43:12 <TruePikachu> ...67.49.43.176 is my private IP address; it is my 192.168 22:43:48 <Eddi|zuHause> you're not making sense 22:44:20 <TruePikachu> For the record: Public IP: 67.49.43.176 22:44:29 <TruePikachu> Private IP: 67.49.43.176 22:44:36 <glx> impossible 22:44:51 <glx> else you don't have a router 22:44:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:45:08 <TruePikachu> ???what do you mean 'I don't have a router' 22:45:20 <Yexo> a switch is not a router 22:45:32 <glx> it's wifi 22:45:35 <Yexo> ehm, hub 22:46:12 <glx> if it's wifi there's a router, and private ip can't be public ip 22:46:16 <TruePikachu> The modem is located in my home, connected to my cable line. 22:46:34 <TruePikachu> The modem has a wireless antenna and 4 LAN ports on it 22:46:44 <glx> so it's a modem router 22:46:45 <TruePikachu> I am connected to it through the wireless 22:46:52 <TruePikachu> YES!!! 22:47:11 <glx> then private ip can't be 67.49.43.176 22:47:23 <TruePikachu> It isn't 22:47:32 <TruePikachu> 15:42 < TruePikachu> For the record: Public IP: 67.49.43.176 22:47:32 <TruePikachu> 15:43 < TruePikachu> Private IP: 67.49.43.176 22:48:01 <glx> you just repeated it was 22:48:03 <bryjen> the 67.49.43.176 should be the address on the "public" side of the modem/router. the PCs on the "private" side should all have addresses starting 192.168. 22:48:11 <fjb> Public and private look the same for me, which is noct possible. 22:48:51 <TruePikachu> Is glx a troll? 22:48:57 <bryjen> are you? 22:49:00 <TruePikachu> no 22:49:02 <Yexo> no, glx is actually trying to help you 22:49:13 <Yexo> your public and private ip can't be the same if you have a router 22:49:15 <Eddi|zuHause> [23.06.2010 00:47] <TruePikachu> 15:42 < TruePikachu> For the record: Public IP: 67.49.43.176 22:49:16 <Eddi|zuHause> [23.06.2010 00:47] <TruePikachu> 15:43 < TruePikachu> Private IP: 67.49.43.176 22:49:32 <bryjen> we're seeing you type the same address for public and private 22:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what you said 22:49:36 <Yexo> and you keep telling us it is 22:49:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and that is not possible 22:49:41 <TruePikachu> Gosh, wait a moment... 22:49:42 <Yexo> so you are making an error somewhere 22:49:53 <bryjen> that's some intrusive NAT fixing up addresses in IRC traffic ;) 22:50:01 <Yexo> lol 22:50:21 <TruePikachu> I need an image pastebin which does not require registration 22:50:41 <fjb> What does ifconfig tell you? 22:50:55 <TruePikachu> I need a pastebin 22:51:08 <Yexo> paste.openttd.org 22:51:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the NAT screwing up the packets might very well also prevent any kind of connection to openttd servers 22:51:18 <fjb> pastebin.ca and imagebin.ca 22:51:34 <fjb> Or what Yexo told you. :-) 22:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause> so you should urgently turn off that packet mangling mode in your modem 22:52:50 <TruePikachu> Something is causing problems: http://imagebin.ca/view/yXoo5h.html 22:53:11 <glx> clearly 22:53:12 <fjb> But turning off ANT could kill his irc connection. On the other hand... 22:53:20 <bryjen> holy carp. I was only joking... 22:53:40 <TruePikachu> So I am not trying to troll 22:53:49 <TruePikachu> I posted the screenshot from IRC in http://imagebin.ca/view/yXoo5h.html 22:53:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i have heard fairy tales about such a router mode, but i have never seen it in action 22:54:15 <glx> first time I see something like that 22:54:21 <fjb> Oh, it mangles every string which contains the private network. That is crappy. 22:54:24 <bryjen> possibly to make DCC work? 22:54:51 <TruePikachu> IRSSI has support for DCC, but I'll need explicite commands to type 22:54:53 <fjb> Even then it is crappy. 22:54:54 <Yexo> with a router messing up things like that all bets are off 22:55:16 <Eddi|zuHause> TruePikachu: you need to read your router manual, how to turn off this modification 22:55:29 <Eddi|zuHause> else we won't be able to help you in any way 22:55:48 <TruePikachu> Explain the modification 22:55:50 <bryjen> no, I meant your router is re-writing the IP addresses in your IRC traffic possibly to help with DCC 22:56:20 <Eddi|zuHause> TruePikachu: your router is checking all outgoing packets, and replaces anything that looks like an internal IP with an external one 22:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> TruePikachu: this will also mangle packets sent by the openttd server, so they become invalid (and dropped), so connections will fail 22:56:48 <fjb> But something doing that is just another piece of hazadous waste. 22:56:50 <TruePikachu> Either that, or IRSSI is, or the IRC network is 22:57:22 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:57:33 <glx> anyway you probably won't be able to reach your pc using the public ip from the inside (some routers are stupid), but with the right redirection configuration people from outside should be able to reach it 22:58:19 <fjb> Make an upöoad to a text bin which contains your locval address. Then we se if it is the the router or irssi. 22:58:26 <TruePikachu> Well, the router thinks the port is closed 22:59:09 <TruePikachu> Can someone here type the standard 'default gateway'? 22:59:30 <FauxFaux> default gateway 22:59:30 <planetmaker> like 'default gateway' ? ;-) 22:59:53 <TruePikachu> one nine two dot one six eight dot one dot one 22:59:55 <glx> it's usually the router private ip 23:00:02 <TruePikachu> ^ in the real way 23:00:15 <glx> 192.168.0.254 for mine 23:00:29 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 23:00:42 <TruePikachu> seen 23:00:48 <TruePikachu> does that work here? 23:00:53 <TruePikachu> (bot command) 23:00:59 <Eddi|zuHause> no 23:01:15 <TruePikachu> I need a bot command that echos 23:01:18 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab8a2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:26 <glx> @say test 23:01:26 <DorpsGek> test 23:01:33 <TruePikachu> @say 192.168.0.1 23:01:33 <DorpsGek> TruePikachu: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 23:01:49 <glx> [01:01:37] <TruePikachu> @say 192.168.0.1 23:01:53 <glx> looks better 23:02:01 <TruePikachu> well, I didn't change anything 23:02:07 <glx> that's weird 23:02:26 <TruePikachu> @say 67.49.43.176 23:02:26 <DorpsGek> TruePikachu: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). 23:02:33 <glx> [01:02:30] <TruePikachu> @say 67.49.43.176 23:02:45 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:55 <TruePikachu> So something (most likely IRSSI) is replacing 67.49.43.176 with my external 23:02:56 <planetmaker> you're doing a great job as manual echo, glx ;-) 23:03:25 * fjb needs a glx for the scrips. 23:03:46 <glx> try an ip in the local range which is not yours, nor the gateway 23:04:07 <TruePikachu> ? 23:04:10 <TruePikachu> for what? 23:04:16 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:46 <glx> to try to find the "rewriter" 23:05:05 * TruePikachu just googled his private IP, searched properly 23:05:12 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 23:06:28 <glx> like .248 23:06:30 <fjb> Just say 192.168.0.20 23:07:03 <TruePikachu> Uh, .20 is my DS 23:07:19 <glx> just type the ip 23:07:27 <TruePikachu> 192.168.0.20 23:07:39 <glx> ok then the rewriter is on your pc 23:07:40 <fjb> That was not mangled. 23:07:48 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it skips http (port 80) connections 23:08:02 <Eddi|zuHause> so google will work 23:08:13 <TruePikachu> one moment... 23:08:23 <TruePikachu> brb 23:08:25 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-43-176.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:08:27 <Eddi|zuHause> try making an SSL connection to this network ;) 23:09:37 <fjb> Something really weird is going on there. 23:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly sure it's a router setting 23:18:46 <fjb> Hm, connection lost? 23:21:52 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-43-176.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:22:32 <TruePikachu> It is definitly with my modem or Linux, as KSirc does it too... 23:23:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly sure it's the modem 23:23:16 <Eddi|zuHause> might be called "gaming mode" or something 23:24:16 <TruePikachu> Oh well, the problem is with the connection and servers, NOT with IRC 23:24:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm also fairly sure that both are effects of the same problem 23:25:24 <fjb> Apropos gaming, the Killer nic is back. Wonder how many people will by the new version. 23:26:40 <TruePikachu> Well, this is a Netgear CG184WG 23:27:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't care what it's called... YOU have the manual to the thing... 23:27:09 <Eddi|zuHause> only you can fix it... 23:27:52 <TruePikachu> Actually, Time Warner has the manual 23:28:20 <fjb> First line of first hit on google for that router: "I'm using a Netgear CG184WG (yes, the notorious one)..." 23:29:04 <TruePikachu> Most problems are for ComCast users 23:29:59 <TruePikachu> Anyway, my Wii works with the modem correctly, so that is the wrong place to look :P 23:30:45 <Eddi|zuHause> if you won't take our advise, why bother asking at all?!? 23:30:49 <fjb> Hm, it didn't look like it works correctly a few line above. 23:31:19 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 23:31:21 <PeterT> <TruePikachu> seen<TruePikachu> does that work here?<TruePikachu> (bot command)<Eddi|zuHause> no <-- yes it does, try @seen 23:32:21 <TruePikachu> ? 23:32:35 <PeterT> You asked about the seen command? 23:32:41 <PeterT> @help seen 23:32:41 <DorpsGek> PeterT: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. 23:32:44 <TruePikachu> no 23:32:45 <glx> PeterT: not important 23:32:55 <PeterT> glx: ok, sorry 23:32:58 <TruePikachu> fjb: ? 23:34:27 <fjb> It mangles your private IP number. I wold not call that correctly working. 23:35:44 <TruePikachu> ...I'm not on my Wii, I'm on my Linux PC 23:35:45 <glx> and all google results are about something not working 23:36:24 <TruePikachu> Should I drive 12 volts backwords into it so we can get a replacement? 23:36:30 <TruePikachu> *backwards 23:36:57 <TruePikachu> It is rated for 9 volts 23:37:18 <fjb> Simply buy a better one. 23:37:20 <TruePikachu> Time Warner never listens to the tech problems we have 23:37:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you should START TO LISTEN! and READ THE MANUAL 23:37:33 <TruePikachu> I have no manual 23:37:55 <TruePikachu> fjb, the modem MUST be supplied by them 23:38:10 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a router. it has a configuration. you need to change the settings there... 23:38:24 <TruePikachu> I've tried, to no avail. 23:38:32 <TruePikachu> I'm even using SUPERUSER 23:38:54 <fjb> Why must it be supplied by Time Warner? 23:39:09 <fjb> If you destroy it you wil get the same model again. 23:39:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm out... 23:39:50 <Eddi|zuHause> this is not leading anywhere... 23:40:00 * TruePikachu hates this modem, as it has mainly just caused problems 23:40:12 <TruePikachu> It always turns itself off, for one... 23:40:54 <TruePikachu> And the modem has to have a valid ID programmed into it for Time Warner to work with it 23:41:55 <TruePikachu> Also, don't get me started with the WG111V2 wireless adapter I am having trouble using that they supplied as well 23:42:58 <glx> your ISP is probably one of the "internet is http only" one 23:43:31 <TruePikachu> As in that's what their techs think? 23:44:23 <fjb> Time Warner... what do you expect? 23:44:49 <TruePikachu> Well, we can't change our ISP 23:45:02 <glx> we have that kind of "internet" for mobile phone here 23:45:15 <glx> if you want mail it's an option 23:45:34 <glx> and orange even removed google apps from android phones 23:45:36 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8dedd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:43 <TruePikachu> Still, why would the modem mangle the IP? 23:45:46 <glx> (because it's mail via http) 23:46:13 <glx> and they want to sell pop/imap options 23:46:33 <fjb> It is a broken kind of NAT. 23:47:28 <glx> or it expects the "server" to ask it to open ports 23:47:48 <TruePikachu> Should I try dropping a line to TW? 23:49:38 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust443.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:50:25 <fjb> Time Warner usually tell you what to think and do and does not ask what you want to do. 23:51:01 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:52:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it can only be in the router, because that's the only thing having both the internal and external IP 23:53:05 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: He told you it is not the router. He knows better then we all here. 23:54:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i never imagined saying this again... "AOL user"... 23:56:50 <TruePikachu> ...I never said that 23:57:02 <TruePikachu> And I don't use AOL 23:57:10 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.250.146] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 23:57:30 * fjb prefers TrueBrains over TruePikachus... 23:59:28 *** Anderus [~Anderus@24-176-46-57.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 23:59:30 <Eddi|zuHause> it's totally funny how the people at the forum always know that things are "easy to implement" 23:59:51 <Anderus> i'm locked out of my company, i think i made the pw too long 23:59:54 <Eddi|zuHause> like the totally trivial task of "multi track depots"