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has joined #openttd 04:30:31 *** _Muddy is now known as Muddy 04:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75710.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74888.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:19:27 <SmatZ> hello 05:20:07 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 05:22:19 <planetmaker> moin SmatZ 05:23:08 *** snc [~snc@ip10.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23:08 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45:48 *** Samanth0r [~samantha@203-59-254-145.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:46:39 <Samanth0r> I didn't really have a reason to come in here, I just wanted to say i've been playing openttd for years and you guys are fucking awesome. 05:46:41 <Samanth0r> that is all. 05:46:43 <Samanth0r> XD 05:47:24 <planetmaker> that's a good enough reason :-) 05:48:20 <Samanth0r> so how are you today 05:48:47 <planetmaker> luckily 10°C cooler than 24h ago 05:49:27 <Samanth0r> ah. it's the middle of winter here. 05:49:34 <Samanth0r> well what passes for winter in Au. 05:51:06 *** snc [~snc@ip10.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 05:52:16 <Samanth0r> .. 05:52:19 <Samanth0r> FauxFaux, :P 05:53:15 <__ln__> btw, don't forget to thank Chris Sawyer for the game. 05:53:24 <Samanth0r> i will 05:53:29 <Samanth0r> I should email him or something :) 05:54:15 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 05:54:49 <SmatZ> I don't think he likes TTDP or OTTD 05:54:59 <planetmaker> send a donation to OpenTTD via tt-forums 05:55:06 <SmatZ> :) 05:55:26 <planetmaker> that's more sustainable than an e-mail to CS ;-) 05:56:04 <Samanth0r> XD 05:56:28 <planetmaker> servers have running costs... 05:56:53 <Samanth0r> i know how you feel.. 05:57:21 <Samanth0r> I am going to get some lunch 05:57:22 <Samanth0r> I will bbiab 06:18:48 <Moodles> i like to have the hardest possible difficulty with singleplayer games (mountainous terran, low towns, low industries, low rough, sea level high), which is the best AI that handles that kinda setup the best (ie. competitive) 06:19:00 <Moodles> *very rough 06:19:30 <Moodles> most ive tried always seem to go bankrupt after a year 06:19:55 <planetmaker> which have you tried? 06:21:17 <Moodles> ive downloaded them all with the ingame online content downloader, probably tried half of them 06:21:22 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:22:10 <Moodles> trAIns seems to do the best job ive seen so far 06:24:06 <planetmaker> if you tried them all... then you know the answer(s) 06:24:17 <planetmaker> especially as the answer may differ from map to map 06:26:17 <planetmaker> e.g. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=857702#p857702 or http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=887212#p887212 06:26:39 <planetmaker> it will also heavily depend upon the newgrfs being used 06:27:04 <Moodles> some of them have trouble starting at 1950 06:28:36 <Moodles> i gues i should just start a new game, and an AI of each type 06:28:59 <planetmaker> you might consider to post your AI test results in the NoAI sub-forum, too 06:30:45 *** sparr [sparr@c-24-98-228-62.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 06:37:30 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:39:35 * MeCooL :) 06:47:09 <Moodles> i remember playing years ago, the default ai actually did a really good job 06:49:07 <planetmaker> then play the versions from years ago 06:50:57 <planetmaker> but "default AI" and "really good job" are two things which never fit into the same sentence unless separated by a "never did a" 06:51:58 <Ammler> there are a lot AI tournaments etc. 06:52:35 <Ammler> maybe it should be time to measure how well the AIs go with human players 06:53:52 <planetmaker> Ammler: well... that's more difficult to measure 06:54:06 <planetmaker> as you cannot measure neutrally a human playing strength ;-) 06:58:24 *** Chris_Booth 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[~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:37:36 *** JVassie [~James@nelocat2.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:52:57 * dih is looking for a job 07:54:04 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc149-119.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 07:54:10 * PeterT assigns dih to official ad-clicker 07:56:41 *** fjb [~frank@p5485B063.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:05:15 <fjb> Moin. 08:05:40 <Rubidium> dih: I've got some laundry that needs to be done 08:43:31 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-86fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:52:03 <Terkhen> good morning 08:52:22 <Zuu> good morning 08:52:35 <PeterT> good morning 09:03:29 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 09:04:13 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-68-24.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 09:05:29 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-109-173.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #openttd 09:09:13 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 09:09:45 *** George is now known as Guest2929 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seconds] 10:16:46 *** Grelouk [~Grelouk@93.21.11.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:40 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:29 *** dfox [~dfox@e80.dkm.cz] has joined #openttd 10:38:28 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@c122-108-245-233.kelvn3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:38:43 <Pikka> lies and pies 10:39:20 <Rubidium> oh... pies... that's good 10:40:57 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 10:41:08 <Rubidium> so... when are we getting a pie oriented cargo system? 10:41:35 <Rubidium> getting flour, eggs and water into a factor that makes dough 10:41:52 <Rubidium> that with coal or wood to a factory that bakes it 10:42:02 <Hirundo> the 'cargo' part of the performance rating seems to count the num of cargo types delivered in this quarter, not the last as the description states 10:42:38 <Rubidium> and finally delivering the pies and possibly other pastries to the towns 10:43:13 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-77-86-68-24.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 10:43:52 <planetmaker> [12:41] <Rubidium> so... when are we getting a pie oriented cargo system? <-- :-D 10:44:03 <planetmaker> That sounds actually like a very good mod for toyland :-) 10:44:11 <Rubidium> pieland! 10:44:19 <planetmaker> exactly :-) 10:49:37 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db1a2d5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:43 *** Zuu [~Zuu@c-86fae253.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:53:32 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 10:56:50 <Pikka> oops :) 11:01:02 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA1B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:02:46 <planetmaker> hm, do RV really not support callback 36 (change vehicle property) wrt speed? 11:02:55 <planetmaker> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Callbacks#Change_vehicle_properties_36_ 11:08:41 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.9.42.146] has joined #openttd 11:13:44 <Terkhen> to my knowledge, they don't 11:16:09 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-131-146.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:16:45 <planetmaker> hm... trains have different colours for different players in our game. And it desyncs 11:17:00 <planetmaker> fs #3945 11:24:08 <Pikka> you broke it :o 11:25:05 * planetmaker hides 11:25:59 <Ammler> players is a bad word in openttd, use client or company :-) 11:26:14 <planetmaker> players in the same company 11:26:21 <Ammler> so client 11:26:25 <planetmaker> or clients in the same company. yes 11:26:32 <planetmaker> quite peculiar. 11:26:47 <planetmaker> seems reproducable for the single person. But... not consistent between clients 11:26:50 <Ammler> as I started playing openttd player was a company :-) 11:27:28 <Rubidium> does one player first join the server as spectator and then join the company, and the other joins directly? 11:27:30 <Ammler> funny bug then :-D 11:27:57 <planetmaker> Rubidium: I tried. Makes no difference for me 11:28:05 <Rubidium> *one* player can reproduce it reliably and the rest can't? 11:28:20 <planetmaker> well. Every player seems to have 'his' colour. 11:28:43 <planetmaker> :-O 11:28:50 <planetmaker> they flicker their colour! 11:28:58 <planetmaker> they were transiently orange for me now 11:30:45 <planetmaker> oh oh 11:30:54 <planetmaker> yes... changing colours randomly 11:30:58 <planetmaker> seemingly at least 11:31:04 <Rubidium> oh... lovely 11:31:08 <planetmaker> by the day 11:31:58 <planetmaker> as do the vehicle colours in the purchase menu 11:32:04 <Rubidium> using a NewGRF you haven't used before? 11:32:07 <planetmaker> and now I desynced 11:32:10 <planetmaker> 2cctrainset-beta2 11:32:17 <planetmaker> yes, not used before 11:32:38 <Rubidium> guess that's pushing some boundary somewhere 11:32:38 <planetmaker> at least very probably that it's not been used before 11:32:43 <planetmaker> probably then 11:37:26 *** Morloth_ [~bram@pc-bram.cis.strath.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:48:48 *** clum [clum@92.18.190.59] has joined #openttd 11:49:06 *** Adambean [CG1@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:54:08 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.218.212] has joined #openttd 11:54:40 *** Moodles [Tallarines@60-242-71-35.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Quit: Eating kladdkaka] 11:56:45 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:59 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:39a4:544:7bb3:ea84] has joined #openttd 12:03:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:05:34 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 12:07:25 <peter1138> hmm, anyone familiar with sqlite? 12:07:56 <Noldo_> how familiar do you need? 12:08:33 <peter1138> i have a db that is mostly working, but sometimes data is not saved 12:10:02 <peter1138> so an insert will execute, and i can select against it as normal... but later it's not there :s 12:11:30 <__ln__> peter1138: pragma integrity_check; 12:12:12 <Sacro> yes, i use it 12:12:12 <Sacro> are you confirming the transaction on the insert? 12:14:17 <peter1138> how do you mean? 12:15:30 <Eddi|zuHause> AIs have really big problems with high sealevel 12:16:12 *** functionofxy [~functiono@pool-72-79-106-29.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:25 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB456.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:23:54 <Pikka> Eddi: AIs have really big problems with hilly terrain and locomotives with 12kN TE. :P 12:30:22 <__ln__> http://cache-03.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/07/500x_thread.jpg 12:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: this image is impossible, because there are completed lines 12:32:32 <Eddi|zuHause> it's fake! i can tell by the pixels! 12:35:22 <__ln__> capitalist propaganda 12:35:24 *** Celestar [~vici@89.204.153.99] has joined #openttd 12:42:06 <peter1138> heh 12:44:22 *** functionofxy [~functiono@pool-72-79-102-172.nwrknj.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:34 <SmatZ> "You are not authorized to su root" gentoo is again forcing me to run KDE as root... 12:47:35 <Noldo_> there propably some group you need to be in 12:47:51 <SmatZ> well, it worked until yesterday :) 12:48:06 <SmatZ> I don't want that wheel stuff on my one-user computer 12:49:49 <Belugas> hi hi 12:49:56 <SmatZ> hello Belugas 12:50:19 <Belugas> hello you sir SmatZ :) 12:50:33 <SmatZ> :-) 12:51:06 <SmatZ> woohoo, SU_WHEEL_ONLY=no :) I wonder how could I overlook that in the merge 13:07:37 *** Grelouk_ [~Grelouk@93.25.102.90] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 13:14:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host99-236-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:15:28 <Wolf01> hell(it's hoooot)o! 13:15:51 *** Modi [~modi@5571fde3.ftth.concepts.nl] has joined #openttd 13:17:53 <Eddi|zuHause> # heeeellll-o 13:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> # he hee hell-oh 13:23:06 *** Pikka [~chatzilla@c122-108-245-233.kelvn3.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939]] 13:28:22 <Belugas> L ' eau 13:34:36 <Eddi|zuHause> funny tidbit: all french nouns ending on -eau are male, except eau, which is female 13:37:26 <Sacro> titbit 13:37:59 <Wolf01> ... 13:39:05 <Wolf01> if you want to know something funny about Italy, I can tell you that we mispell very often the plural and the adjective of composite nouns, like pomodoro->pomodori: wrong, it should be pomidoro 13:39:28 <Noldo_> interesting 13:40:02 <Noldo_> so pomodori wins google fight? 13:41:52 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:55 <Wolf01> pomodori is now tolerated because of common use 13:42:07 <Wolf01> but it's wrong 13:42:42 <Wolf01> it derive from "pomo d'oro" (literally golden apple, because of their color) 13:43:01 <Wolf01> so the plural is indeed "pomi d'oro" 13:43:41 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:27 <Wolf01> and about articles and adjectives, we often rely on the last letter, so if it's A or E, it's female, else it's male... which is not true in all cases, especially on composite nouns 13:45:16 <Wolf01> __ln__, if you wantes an italian lesson, here you can learn something :P 13:45:20 <Wolf01> *wanted 13:46:40 <Wolf01> another now tolerated form is "ma però" wich could be translated with "but but" so it's redundant 13:46:52 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:44 <Noldo_> I started thinking that composite nouns in finnish all might have the substantive part in the end 13:48:38 <Eddi|zuHause> in german, the gender of the compound noun is usually that of the last noun 13:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Der Dampf + Das Schiff = Das Dampfschiff 13:49:37 <Wolf01> and I don't tell you about our misused double negations in a sentence, which makes our intentions quite understandable... 13:49:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Der Dampf + Die Lok = Die Dampflok 13:50:26 <Eddi|zuHause> double negations are difficult in any language 13:50:58 <Wolf01> but we use always double negations, that's why I like taking tests in English 13:52:12 <Wolf01> like the IQ tests, the Italian one is a pain... 13:52:24 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA1B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:05 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has joined #openttd 14:14:21 *** Modi [~modi@5571fde3.ftth.concepts.nl] has quit [] 14:23:06 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF856F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:32:14 <__ln__> there's always a relevant monty python sketch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3iAqxNpQ-A 14:40:23 *** insulfrog [~chatzilla@78.149.63.154] has joined #openttd 14:40:24 *** heffer [~felix@mue-88-130-109-173.dsl.tropolys.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 14:41:22 <insulfrog> hello, just testing ChatZilla on my firefox browser :) 14:57:43 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 15:00:53 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:03:21 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:04:37 *** Eoin [eoin@cpc1-dund8-0-0-cust17.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:08:19 <planetmaker> test successful 15:08:39 <planetmaker> :-) 15:12:13 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 15:13:04 <insulfrog> yup :p 15:15:57 <VVG> hello 15:15:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 15:16:20 <VVG> What are FIRS' farms' max production values? 15:23:29 *** Me [~chatzilla@188-221-14-78.zone12.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:23:45 *** Me is now known as silverrus 15:23:50 <silverrus> hello 15:25:07 <insulfrog> hi 15:25:07 <silverrus> anyone there? 15:25:09 <peter1138> hmm 15:25:17 <silverrus> i need some help with openttd 15:25:41 <silverrus> how do i get the old music on the newer versions 15:25:56 <Zuu> Do you have a TTD windows CD? 15:25:59 <silverrus> nope 15:26:02 <insulfrog> you will need the files from the original game 15:26:08 <Zuu> That's your problem 15:26:17 <insulfrog> ditto 15:26:28 <Zuu> The old music is on the Windows edition of the TTD CD. 15:27:03 <silverrus> i have the old music on my comp as .gm files 15:27:11 <silverrus> d/l'ed from forums 15:27:13 *** elmz [~elmz@166.80-202-30.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 15:27:16 <silverrus> but i dont know how to replace the current music 15:27:47 <Zuu> Put the gm folder (with the gm files inside) in your OpenTTD dir (not in the data dir) 15:28:05 <Zuu> Then in OpenTTD go to game options and select the original music set. 15:28:11 <silverrus> mmm ok 15:28:35 <Zuu> After than you need to enter a game, open up the music window and hit play. 15:31:12 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:33:32 <silverrus> zuu, the original music set does not appear in the list (on game options for music) 15:33:44 <Zuu> Where did you put your gm folder? 15:33:57 <silverrus> in the openttd folder 15:33:59 <Zuu> Ie what is the path to it? 15:34:12 <silverrus> program files\ 15:34:51 <insulfrog> path should be 'root'/openttd/gm 15:35:05 <Zuu> So you have C:\Progarm files\openttd\gm ? 15:35:07 *** elmz_ [~elmz@166.80-202-30.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:08 <silverrus> ah 15:35:12 <silverrus> i know what the problem is 15:35:24 <insulfrog> (e.g. c:\openttd\gm) 15:35:25 <silverrus> i didnt name the music folder to 'gm' 15:35:33 <insulfrog> heh 15:35:40 <silverrus> no wait 15:35:43 <silverrus> im wrong there too! 15:36:00 <silverrus> ok, so the individual gm files should all be in \gm ? 15:36:07 <Zuu> Yes 15:36:08 <insulfrog> yup 15:36:11 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 15:36:34 <Zuu> insulfrog: You do not need to put the openttd directory in the root directory. 15:36:51 <insulfrog> i know, its just an example 15:37:17 <Ammler> (you could read the readme) 15:37:24 <Zuu> "path should be 'root'/openttd/gm" <-- does not look like an example to me. 15:37:56 <insulfrog> ¬_¬ 15:38:01 <silverrus> hmm 15:38:08 <silverrus> ok the music is working a-o-k 15:38:13 <Zuu> Nice 15:38:13 <insulfrog> nice 15:38:15 <silverrus> but it sounds nothing like the music i once heard on this game 15:38:27 <Zuu> Possible a different soundcard? 15:38:32 <silverrus> no i mean 15:38:34 <silverrus> the music itself 15:38:40 <Zuu> The music is midi, so it depends on your soundcard. 15:38:44 <silverrus> no no 15:38:46 <silverrus> the actual music 15:38:52 <silverrus> its not the same tracks 15:39:08 <silverrus> this is the scott joplin anthropolgy 15:39:11 <insulfrog> what do you mean 'the same tracks' ? 15:39:12 <Zuu> Do you have OpenMSX installed? 15:39:18 <silverrus> yes 15:39:29 <Zuu> But you selected original music in game options? 15:39:44 <silverrus> no i selected scott joplin anthropology 15:40:01 <silverrus> and now its playing this piano crap 15:40:04 <Eddi|zuHause> anthology, not anthropology 15:40:11 <silverrus> yes that 15:40:14 <silverrus> my mistake 15:40:30 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> anthropology is where you research prehistoric mankind 15:40:32 <Ammler> Zuu: you should not support someone using illegal download ;-) 15:40:47 <silverrus> its not an illegal download 15:40:50 <Eddi|zuHause> anthology is a collection of items 15:40:51 <silverrus> it was from openttd forums 15:40:52 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:40:57 <Zuu> well, I did not help him getting the files. 15:40:58 <silverrus> its public domain stuff 15:41:16 <Rubidium> silverrus: 1) you didn't download it from the OpenTTD (sub)forum, 2) it's not public domain 15:41:33 <silverrus> oh sorry i meant tt-forums 15:41:37 <silverrus> .net 15:41:49 <silverrus> anyway 15:41:52 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:53 <silverrus> forget about them tracks 15:42:03 <silverrus> i want the music that was in the early versions of the game 15:42:07 <Rubidium> 3) it's not illegal to download stuff in all countries 15:42:19 <VVG> it plays the music that you selected in game options 15:42:24 <Eddi|zuHause> silverrus: you have to take that from your original game cd 15:42:27 <VVG> you selected anthology, it plays anthology 15:42:32 <silverrus> yes but 15:42:38 <silverrus> this sounds nothing like the music i once heard 15:42:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the scott joplin anthology is not the original music 15:42:51 <VVG> select original music, it will play original music 15:42:56 <VVG> provided you installed it 15:43:02 <Ammler> silverrus: which sound packs do you have in your list? 15:43:19 <silverrus> hmm 15:43:38 <silverrus> openmsx, scott joplin and the 'no music' option 15:44:10 <Zuu> AFIK the original music sholud show up as "original music", not scott joplin. 15:44:17 <silverrus> hmm 15:44:41 <peter1138> meh 15:44:48 <silverrus> give me 5 mins while i put my eye-patch on and find some treasure i mean uhh original ttd cd 15:44:50 <peter1138> my sqlite skills fail me :( 15:45:03 <peter1138> no errors 15:45:16 <insulfrog> the options should be called 'original_windows' 15:45:25 <Zuu> Ok 15:45:51 <silverrus> there's an OBM for the original but no actual music files 15:46:00 <glx> normal 15:46:11 <Eddi|zuHause> of course there aren't, we can't offer them for download 15:46:18 <silverrus> hmm 15:46:18 <glx> we provide the obm (our format), you provide the music files 15:46:33 <silverrus> i see 15:46:34 <insulfrog> now it's about time i had a quick go on openttd myself :) 15:46:35 <silverrus> give me a second 15:46:57 <glx> it's the same for obs and obg 15:49:32 <Rubidium> planetmaker: re desync: did the colour thing happen before you enabled debug desync? 15:50:28 <Chris[A]> ok, I'm quite thoroughly confused now ... I've set up a simple rail system w/ 3 trains, 3 branches and they are moving goods to/from 3 industries (water/diamonds/oil) but the trains seem to ignore the first 2-way signal, stop at the second and then jame up the works till I fix it (I have 2-way signals on every branch at there respective junctions) 15:51:58 <Eddi|zuHause> what do you mean "ignore"? 15:52:09 <SpComb> Chris[A]: screenshot if you can 15:52:09 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: 2wayeol? 15:53:06 <SpComb> Chris[A]: generally speaking, two-way signals shared by multiple trains going in different directions are massive fail 15:53:24 <silverrus> oh dear 15:53:55 <insulfrog> a complete rework of your rail system is definatly advised :D 15:53:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Chris[A]: try to use path signals, they're more likely to do what you want 15:54:01 <silverrus> if the file names are all in lowercase but the OBM refers to them with capital letters will it not recognise them? 15:54:18 <Eddi|zuHause> silverrus: that should not matter 15:54:18 <Chris[A]> ok 15:54:22 <silverrus> ok 15:54:59 <silverrus> ah 15:55:02 <silverrus> i know what im doing wrong 15:55:29 <silverrus> SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 15:56:28 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 15:56:36 <Chris[A]> Eddi|zuHause: that worked, ty 15:56:36 <insulfrog> what did you do? 15:56:43 <silverrus> got the old music on the game 15:57:01 *** Celestar [~vici@89.204.153.99] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:58:17 *** silverrus [~chatzilla@188-221-14-78.zone12.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.6/20100625231939]] 15:58:45 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:01:51 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-33.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 16:09:06 <insulfrog> right, gotta go, cyas :) 16:09:08 *** insulfrog [~chatzilla@78.149.63.154] has left #openttd [] 16:16:04 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC34A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:20:30 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc07ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:33 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc07ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:00 *** dfox [~dfox@e80.dkm.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:21 *** snc [~snc@ip10.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:21 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:39 <planetmaker> planetmaker: re desync: did the colour thing happen before you enabled debug desync? <-- I don't know 16:59:02 <planetmaker> ^ Rubidium 16:59:23 <planetmaker> I could just turn off desync debuging and test it 17:00:44 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA1B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:49 * planetmaker switched off debug_level desync=3 17:09:46 <planetmaker> Rubidium: mind though that I only turned on the desync debug after I saw the first one 17:10:07 <planetmaker> so it alone cannot be (all) the cause of the issues we have 17:14:00 <Rubidium> true, but if it's the desync debugging turned on that "causes" the issue it's (quite) likely something in the initialisation stage, i.e. something that happens when loading/joining the game, instead of some broken gamestate change (remember taking over bankrupt companies?) 17:14:28 <planetmaker> vvg claims he saw the different colours before. 17:14:44 <planetmaker> I don't know. And my trains so far stay blue. But that doesn't mean anything 17:15:48 <Rubidium> 'kay, lets assume it's something that isn't triggered by desync debugging 17:16:07 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 17:19:55 <planetmaker> in any case: the TGV uses the wrong colours. CCs are yellow+blue. And it uses Blue+red 17:20:20 <planetmaker> and some vehicles show yellow/blue others yellow/red in the purchase view 17:20:39 <planetmaker> like the last screenshot I attached 17:21:48 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:25:08 *** snc [~snc@ip10.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 17:25:45 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:45 <Rubidium> okay, without debug desync I desync from your stream, with it I don't 17:27:08 *** welshdragon [~dragon@ip05.rdlbnc.com] has joined #openttd 17:27:22 *** Polygon [~Poly@x0581b.wh7.tu-dresden.de] has joined #openttd 17:29:07 <planetmaker> hm. 17:29:18 <planetmaker> but it wasn't on initially... 17:29:33 <planetmaker> ... so... two issues? :-( 17:29:51 <planetmaker> one seldom, one desync debug desyncs issue? 17:30:48 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:31:08 <Rubidium> desync debug effectively tests the "joining" part every tick, which means if its behaviour differs depending on that setting it's something that's triggered by "joining" at the wrong time 17:31:22 <Rubidium> so it's still quite possible the same issue 17:31:25 *** George is now known as Guest2960 17:31:44 <Rubidium> just more easily reproducable now the server is "joining" itself every tick and the clients aren't 17:36:31 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.218.212] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 17:36:52 *** Guest2929 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:31 * Rubidium is already increadibly happy it's so much easier to just get the initial reproduction state 17:41:38 <planetmaker> as opposed to when? :-) 17:41:59 <planetmaker> btw... the "changes colour daily" is mostly not true. Only the time I reported it in IRC 17:42:46 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 17:45:02 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [] 17:45:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:cdbd:754:d991:f438] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe1f8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:36 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:cdbd:754:d991:f438] has joined #openttd 17:46:51 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-54-33.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: translators * r20135 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 17:50:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:50:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 26 changes by pda1573 17:50:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: traditional_chinese - 6 changes by josesun 17:50:28 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: dutch - 10 changes by habell 17:50:29 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: romanian - 10 changes by kkmic 17:50:29 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: serbian - 5 changes by etran 17:54:55 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.231] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:05:10 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:05:56 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA1B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:55 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA1B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:25 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn13-22.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:21:24 *** eQualizer|dada [~lauri@dyn13-22.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:30:35 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:38:00 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-85-207.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:40:00 *** Sirenia [~sirenia@93.186.164.51] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54:16 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-85-207.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 18:57:08 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-85-207.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:59:13 <andythenorth> evening 18:59:23 <frosch123> hihi 18:59:54 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 19:00:38 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-190-238.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:05:38 <andythenorth> bah 19:05:58 * andythenorth forgets (a) where grfcodec is and (b) how to use it to decode UKRS 2 19:05:59 <andythenorth> :D 19:06:06 * andythenorth blames the make files 19:06:11 * andythenorth reads the docs 19:07:56 *** tdev [~udev@p508EA1B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:51 <andythenorth> :o grfcodec is in my path 19:12:51 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:12:52 <andythenorth> win 19:13:06 <frosch123> :p 19:13:21 <andythenorth> :o pikka has included a lot of nice stuff in p1kj 19:13:27 <frosch123> grfcodec -d path/to/grf dir/to/trash/stuff/into 19:14:14 <frosch123> how far is the 1k trains target? 19:14:57 <andythenorth> ? 19:15:25 <frosch123> maybe p1k shall contain 1000 trainmodels somewhen 19:15:41 <andythenorth> nah 19:15:50 <andythenorth> it's pretty limited by design I think 19:17:33 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@209.80-203-100.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:18:22 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-13-89.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:18:33 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 19:18:42 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I'm doing some additions for P1JK / UKRS2 19:18:50 <andythenorth> I want to stick them in a repo... 19:19:45 <andythenorth> it's only graphics, dunno if it's worth a whole project or not. I could just hide them in HEQS or something 19:27:10 <planetmaker> andythenorth: no problem to make a separate repo for that 19:27:25 <planetmaker> you should be able to just create a project yourself 19:27:41 <frosch123> planetmaker: what is wrong in gui screenshot of fs#3945 ? 19:27:50 <frosch123> s/gui/purchase list/ 19:28:12 <planetmaker> frosch123: the trains have 3 different CC there: red, yellow and (dark) blue 19:28:31 <planetmaker> red is not one of the chosen CC 19:28:35 <frosch123> it is 19:28:39 <planetmaker> and you can also see it ingame 19:28:40 <planetmaker> hu? 19:28:45 <frosch123> there are separate liveries for emu and freight wagons 19:28:56 <frosch123> and electric engines 19:29:09 <planetmaker> hm... then I learnt something new :-) 19:29:09 <frosch123> at least in the save you uploaded :) 19:29:24 <planetmaker> then there's probably no error in there 19:29:29 <frosch123> click on the train icon in the company colours gui :) 19:31:03 <planetmaker> oh... I guess... I clicked on it AAAAAges ago. And then totally never clicked on those buttons again 19:31:14 <planetmaker> so totally forgot about those possibilities 19:31:17 <planetmaker> :-) 19:32:21 <planetmaker> Thanks for showing me (again) 19:32:23 <frosch123> and there is also an advanced setting "interface -> display options -> show company liveries" to enable the advanced livereis per client 19:32:37 <frosch123> so the two screenshots might not be a problem either 19:33:16 <planetmaker> hm 19:34:00 <planetmaker> well... then *maybe* someone played around with those settings at that time. I cannot absolutely exclude that, of course 19:34:16 <planetmaker> Though I hope someone would have said, when we discussed the colours 19:35:48 <frosch123> hmm, i wonder what happens when those colours are changed... 19:36:04 <frosch123> what caches are cleared, and are they cleared on all clients? 19:36:26 <planetmaker> hm. 19:36:30 <planetmaker> I just tested 19:36:37 <planetmaker> It did not have any effect 19:36:47 <planetmaker> and... the trains are now yellow and not blue 19:38:24 <planetmaker> oh... wait. I had 'none' in liveries 19:38:32 <planetmaker> too many config places, honestly 19:39:23 <planetmaker> when I change that setting between 'none' and 'all companies', the liveries of trains change when they turn 19:39:47 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 19:40:09 <frosch123> you mean the colour is updated when they turn the next time? 19:40:23 <planetmaker> yes 19:40:35 <planetmaker> reversing at EOL or in station probably, too 19:40:52 <frosch123> quite likely changing the setting does not invalidate the cache 19:42:00 <frosch123> oh, nice, indeed that colour info can cause desyncs 19:42:13 <planetmaker> :-O 19:42:19 <frosch123> newgrf can access the livery colour, not the primary company colour 19:42:28 <frosch123> and that is controlled by a client setting 19:42:32 <planetmaker> he 19:42:40 <frosch123> but, does 2cc use the company colour variable? 19:42:46 <planetmaker> yes 19:42:53 <frosch123> for what? 19:43:05 <planetmaker> oh, you mean in the code via action2? 19:43:09 <planetmaker> hm... dunno 19:43:20 <frosch123> var43 19:44:18 <frosch123> no, no var43 in the grf 19:44:27 <planetmaker> neither in the source 19:44:31 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:cdbd:754:d991:f438] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:09 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:cdbd:754:d991:f438] has joined #openttd 19:50:59 <frosch123> hmm, the grf only uses vars 0C, 10, 40, 41, 47, B4 and C6 19:50:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host99-236-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:51:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host36-232-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:53:58 <planetmaker> frosch123: not necessarily said then that it's the trains causing the desync 19:54:28 <planetmaker> I wondered about the colours - totally unaware of their adv. configuration possibilities and per-client setting related to it 19:55:49 *** a1270 [~Cheese@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 19:55:52 <frosch123> did you already tried the usual things, like disabline yapf cache? 19:56:43 <planetmaker> I didn't 19:56:58 <planetmaker> can it be disabled on the fly? 19:57:26 <planetmaker> actually... no-one desynced again since we _disabled_ desync debuging again 19:57:57 <planetmaker> that is for two hours 19:58:08 <planetmaker> but of course... doesn't mean anything 20:01:22 <Rubidium> frosch123: the "problem" happens reliably when resetting the NewGRF caches 20:01:47 <Rubidium> i.e. when calling CheckCaches with non-zero desync debug level 20:04:03 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host76-235-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:04:03 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2969 20:04:03 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 20:05:17 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf02 20:05:22 *** Wolf02 is now known as Wolf01 20:05:44 <frosch123> does it report a "cache mismatch" ? 20:09:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host76-235-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 20:09:13 *** 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23:08:49 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:28 <Mazur> I is, 23:18:07 <Rubidium> planetmaker: were you, at the time of the first desync, in a mixed electrified/non-electrified network? 23:19:25 <Rubidium> in any case... the cause of this desync could've triggered two (quite) distinct locations for desyncing 23:21:06 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2DB456.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 23:26:31 *** heffer [~felix@static-87-78-98-150.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 23:31:41 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC34A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 23:33:58 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20137 /trunk/src/elrail.cpp: 23:33:58 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#3945]: desync due to (temporary) wrong railtype; when loading a savegame the railtype of some (high ID) trains could be wrong. 23:33:58 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: After loading the vehicle data in the trains are updated, but after that the 23:33:58 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: "electrification" checks are done which can change the "global" vehicle data. 23:33:58 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: However, this update is not propagated to the vehicles until the consist is 23:33:59 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: updated, e.g. turning around and going to a depot. 23:34:01 <CIA-9> OpenTTD: This makes some of the trains of a just joined client run as non-electrified trains which can cause it to take a wrong path or to not (randomly) show the electric sparks. 23:35:41 <ccfreak2k> That's quite the explanation there Rubidium. 23:37:54 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:48:40 <Wolf01> wow, that was a nice bug to fix 23:50:24 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 23:52:25 <Wolf01> 'night 23:52:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host76-235-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:52:59 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d3ba.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]