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00:02:21 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:04:07 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF89E9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:07:16 <Narigo> thanks, SmatZ! 00:07:33 <Narigo> that looks better :) 00:07:59 <Narigo> the statue looks better than the original graphics :) 00:13:52 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:46 *** BlackXanthus [~Berk@87.113.98.53.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 00:30:33 <BlackXanthus> anyone here know anything about build openttd AI's? more specificially about building buses? I have a problem where despite picking one with hte right cargo, when I come to build it, it's a truck, rather than a bus 00:32:56 <Eddi|zuHause> msybe you're better off asking such things in the AI forum? it might not be as quick to get a response, but you are more likely to find a knowledgable person there 00:33:39 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=65 00:33:49 <glx> looks like a wrong EngineID 00:38:03 <BlackXanthus> I thought about that... but it was the quick response I was after =) 00:38:16 <BlackXanthus> if I fail at working it out, then I'll post on the forums before I go to sleep. 00:38:29 <BlackXanthus> it's irritating because it's the last piece of the puzzle. 00:38:56 <glx> maybe your method to pick the engineid is incorrect 00:46:06 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 00:50:13 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:32 *** ajmiles 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morning 05:56:27 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:59:13 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:21:32 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:21:35 <robotboy> afternoon 06:22:24 <andythenorth> for some, yes 06:26:21 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-53-151.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 06:26:29 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-53-151.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [] 06:29:17 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4879.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:30:13 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-53-151.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has joined #openttd 06:30:26 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 06:32:59 <robotboy> hmph now sed is whinging it can not close stdin 06:33:21 <robotboy> I might give in to building OpenTTD on DOS soon 06:37:10 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 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has joined #openttd 07:54:57 <fjb> Moin Wolf01 07:58:06 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:58:28 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@66.183.125.176] has joined #openttd 08:01:39 *** DDR__ [~chatzilla@66.183.125.176] has joined #openttd 08:03:13 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:03:22 *** DDR__ is now known as DDR 08:07:58 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@66.183.125.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:11:27 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:12:34 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@66.183.125.176] has joined #openttd 08:13:13 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:13:16 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 08:25:48 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9d18.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:26:06 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d215.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:43:02 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@66.183.125.176] has joined #openttd 08:43:36 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:43:51 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:44:52 <Terkhen> good morning 08:46:45 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:48:13 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:17 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 08:51:26 *** xi23 [~xi23@78.110.223.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:56:15 <Alberth> good morning 08:56:20 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.125.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:56:53 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9d18.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:26 <planetmaker> good morning 09:00:46 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@202-65-53-151.xdsl.net.oyster.net.ck] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:01:42 *** Aali [~aali@h-90-31.A189.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 09:04:08 <robotboy> gevning 09:05:55 <robotboy> will configure >> configure.log redirect the output of everything from configure to the file configure.log? 09:06:22 <robotboy> or does bash to redirection differently 09:07:12 <robotboy> i'm now having issues with sed 09:08:38 <robotboy> and I get pages of the error couldn't close stdin bad file descriptor 09:09:08 <robotboy> I want to redirect it to a log so I can leave it and come back to read the entire output later 09:10:05 <TomyLobo> robotboy no, stderr will not be redirected 09:10:23 <TomyLobo> configure > configure.log 2>configure.err 09:10:34 <Alberth> you are running bash, and inside bash you run configure? 09:10:58 <Alberth> then ./configure >& logfile 09:11:01 <robotboy> yes 09:11:13 <TomyLobo> >&? interesting didnt know that ^^ 09:11:23 <TomyLobo> that merges all streams into one file? 09:12:07 <Alberth> yeah, although it is not the recommended syntax, I seem to remember from the last time I browsed bash(1) 09:13:12 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:13:20 *** 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If you want both, stdout and stderr re-directed, go for ./configure 2>&1 > configure.log 09:25:36 <planetmaker> though for a normal configure you expect stderr to be empty ;-) 09:30:24 <robotboy> ok 09:32:48 <robotboy> my DOS machin is becomming even more FrankenDOS 09:38:48 <robotboy> I shall see what I get in my log after adding another load of DOS posrts of *nix programs 09:39:22 <planetmaker> dosnix :-P (or nixdos - a pun working much better in German :-P ) 09:39:42 <TomyLobo> indeed :) 09:40:16 <Alberth> planetmaker: isn't that called minix? :) 09:44:35 <planetmaker> Alberth, by the looks of it: minix is much leaner, smaller and more reliable than DOS could ever be ;-) 09:44:44 <planetmaker> though... DOS itself had little problems actually afair 09:45:13 <Alberth> yes, DOS was fine :) 09:45:37 <Alberth> minix was a unix variant for hardware without memory manager 09:48:33 <andythenorth> when an industry is constructed, could it transform adjacent tiles? 09:52:38 <andythenorth> Alberth: have you put anything about the industry chains on the forum? 09:55:54 <Alberth> no 09:56:21 <Alberth> it just got included in the nightly last evening 09:56:31 <Wolf01> robotboy and if you want to add the date-time to the log filename you can use "for /f (tokens=1-3 delim=/) %%j do ( echo %%j-%%k-%%l) 09:57:17 <Alberth> Wolf01: is that bash syntax ?? 09:57:23 <Wolf01> batch 09:57:30 <planetmaker> in any case: I love the industry chain display :-) Nice idea and implementation 09:57:38 <Wolf01> but if he's using cygwin it should work 09:58:17 <planetmaker> One thing I'd change a bit, it's the scroll speed in the tree view there; it's quite slow compared to other places 09:58:23 <robotboy> when I stick 2>&1 > configure.log on the end, I start getting errors about os=0 not being recognised yet i am actually using --os=DOS 09:59:17 <robotboy> that should work if for is an external dos command 09:59:56 <Wolf01> if you make a batch process to make, you can append variables 10:00:48 <Wolf01> like "make %1 2>&1 > logfile_%DATE%.log" 10:00:53 <andythenorth> Alberth: I'm mentioning the chains display in a post - is that ok? 10:01:04 <robotboy> hm I have no idea why it's no longer taking --os=DOS even without redirecting to configure.log 10:01:14 <Alberth> andythenorth: sure, it is available in the nightlies 10:01:49 <robotboy> ill leave this alone for a while 10:01:51 <Wolf01> I use various batch process scheduled to backup my server (I run on winhose xp) 10:02:05 <robotboy> im running DOix 10:02:13 <Wolf01> try freedos 10:02:35 <Wolf01> maybe doix does not support all dos functions 10:03:01 <robotboy> im usind MS-DOS with various *nix commands ported 10:03:09 <Wolf01> oh 10:03:17 <Wolf01> ok, it should be fine then 10:03:28 <robotboy> and im doing ./configure from within bash 10:04:27 *** DJNekkid [~DJ___Nekk@static128-249.mimer.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:04:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r20215 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#3971]: Remove all road pieces rather than aborting at the first ownership error (Krille). 10:05:35 <Wolf01> lol, I made my very first led flashlight with an inductor, a transistor and a resistance, all without using instruments to make all perfect, so it works but not as intended :D 10:09:52 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 10:10:19 <Chrill> kind of unrelated question 10:10:31 <Chrill> will RCTPatch allow RCT 1 to run on XP? 10:11:03 <Wolf01> It should be able to run, at least I remember to have played it on XP 10:11:40 <Wolf01> Maybe you might have to enable the compatibility to w98 10:13:17 <Chrill> ah, thank you 10:13:24 <Chrill> I'm helping out Mr. Saibot from TT-Forums =) 10:16:10 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:58e1:49ae:80d9:713f] has joined #openttd 10:17:25 <Wolf01> Rubidium, has that italian guy been satisfied by the email? 10:21:11 *** DJNekkid [~DJ___Nekk@static128-249.mimer.net] has joined #openttd 10:21:24 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4879.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 10:22:06 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 10:25:27 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC4879.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:29:52 <Alberth> planetmaker: yeah, I guess the scrollbar code is not expecting pixel-precise scrolling :) 10:31:35 * Alberth ponders about a good step size for scrolling 10:32:31 <planetmaker> Alberth, 10 pixels or so 10:32:43 <planetmaker> But I didn't yet play around with 10:33:08 <planetmaker> but typical line heights in other windows might be a good indicator 10:33:19 <planetmaker> maybe font height? 10:33:42 <Alberth> I was also thinking in that direction 10:33:50 <Alberth> I'll do an experiment 10:36:36 *** xi23 [~xi23@78.110.223.65] has joined #openttd 10:37:09 <Rubidium> Wolf01: never received a reply from him, so can't say 10:40:14 <Wolf01> as always... 10:40:32 <Wolf01> they ask, you reply, they disappear 10:42:37 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.187.169] has joined #openttd 10:42:45 <Rubidium> Wolf01: it's less annoying than people filing bug reports and not replying, and then seeing them make hundreds of changes a day on the wiki 10:43:32 <Wolf01> eheh :D 10:44:33 <Wolf01> gah, the worst thing to do when upgrading a PC is to reinstall _everything_ 10:44:52 <Wolf01> where _everything_ takes from 1 hour to many ages... 10:45:27 <Rubidium> why reinstall everything? 10:46:20 <Wolf01> because it was really messed up, and now I purchased win7 pro 10:47:05 <Rubidium> oh... Windows, that makes some sense yes 10:47:14 <planetmaker> tehehe 10:47:40 <Rubidium> I've only done a reinstall when I went to a new computer with a different architecture 10:48:27 <Rubidium> and even then: export package list, reinstall base, install all packages from the exported package list, copy home directory... presto... 10:49:20 <Wolf01> 3 days ago I updated ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04, 4 hours but everything is ok and I didn't have to touch the keyboard but 2 times where asked me something but I pressed "enter" to select the default 10:49:55 <Rubidium> and the most time was probably spent downloading the packages :) 10:50:44 <Wolf01> about 2/3 of the time 10:51:59 <Wolf01> then I only had to download manually some -dev libraries because I needed to compile linpopup2, which doesn't work well, it sends empty messages 10:53:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-202-15.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 10:53:00 <Rubidium> ieuw... popups 10:53:00 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA5CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:56:43 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@75-12-89-18.lightspeed.wyngmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:56 <Wolf01> It's the only easiest way to send lan messages without using net send or smbclient 10:57:24 <Wolf01> and with linpopup it receives messages from windows too 10:59:48 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9d18.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:02:20 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@75-12-89-18.lightspeed.wyngmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." --Bertrand Russell] 11:05:00 *** xi23 [~xi23@78.110.223.65] has quit [Quit: Want to be different? 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I didn't look at it. I just saw that a crash was reported ;-) 14:46:24 <planetmaker> so... shall I (still) open an FS entry about it? 14:47:52 <frosch123> hmm, in the 2cc set i have (some old checkout) there are spaces in front of the names, instead of SETX 14:47:56 <frosch123> or at least it looks like that 14:48:01 * frosch123 updates 14:49:07 <planetmaker> that guy uses the 2cctrainset-v2.0beta3 14:49:42 <planetmaker> hm... the guy even correctly selected version 1.0.2 ;-) 14:52:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.163.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:52:59 <frosch123> src/fontcache.cpp:970: const Sprite* GetGlyph(FontSize, WChar): Assertion `IsPrintable(key)' failed. <- haha, even better :) 14:53:18 <planetmaker> yes :-) 14:54:00 <planetmaker> the rars contain the full required crash infos. 14:54:32 <Rubidium> so the bug report is that we don't strip the string "properly" 14:54:49 <planetmaker> likely that's the OpenTTD side. 14:55:02 <planetmaker> Probably 2cctrainset is (also) doing something wrong then 14:55:33 <Rubidium> yeah... using those huge vehicle images and thus requiring setx/spaces 14:55:43 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:58 <frosch123> ok, but what is the correct behaviour? 14:56:00 <planetmaker> :-) 14:56:17 <frosch123> i.e. if you just remove the setx we get bugreports that the names overwrite the sprites after renaming ... 14:56:18 <planetmaker> frosch123: I'd assume to just skip the non-printable characters? 14:56:29 <planetmaker> hm, is setx not allowed anymore? 14:56:41 <frosch123> or add a specialcase to keep setx at the very front... 14:56:58 <planetmaker> hm... I see. 14:57:10 <Rubidium> or ... remove the possibility to rename "engines" 14:57:18 <planetmaker> If I were you I'd forbid setx :-P 14:57:58 <Rubidium> planetmaker: and forbid spaces for alignment... so 2cc must revert to the "small" amount of pixels the normal vehicles have 14:58:05 <planetmaker> But I don't recall all arguments from the previous discussion about it. 14:58:13 <Rubidium> same for fish and lots of other vehicle NewGRFs 14:58:31 <frosch123> [16:57] <Rubidium> or ... remove the possibility to rename "engines" <- i bet sirkoz is the first one to complain :p 14:58:39 <planetmaker> he :-) - or adjust to the length of the longest available vehicle 14:59:14 <planetmaker> if the name strings are aligned by the longest vehicle sprite, I guess all these problems are gone 14:59:38 <planetmaker> though it requires to parse all sprites, even those not displayed yet 14:59:40 <frosch123> hmm, isn't there already something like that for the rtl version? 14:59:53 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yeah... people are very good in keeping vehicle sprite sizes to a minimum... those huge seas of blue pixels 15:00:20 <planetmaker> Rubidium, isn't there some kind of internal -c? 15:00:38 <planetmaker> like cropping to the necessary area and adjusting placement? 15:00:52 <Rubidium> no, unlikely to ever happen either 15:01:05 <planetmaker> ok 15:01:26 <planetmaker> Still... then the deep blue seas will extend sprites by maybe 10 pixels or whatever. 15:01:31 <planetmaker> or 20. 15:01:33 <planetmaker> so what? 15:01:46 * frosch123 also thinks so. it is no good idea to add too much magic (like cropping) inside ottd 15:02:17 <planetmaker> let the name then for those cases start further right. Not much harm then 15:02:37 <planetmaker> It's a newgrf 'bug' or glitch in those cases where there's significant empty space between the name and the sprites 15:03:24 <planetmaker> and... I don't think that there's too much blue left and right for the horizontal view for the largest vehicles. 15:03:34 <planetmaker> (different for short ones possibly) 15:03:41 <planetmaker> but that doesn't matter then 15:07:50 <Eddi|zuHause> "two prison inmates broke free in argentina. due to budget cuts, the guard was only a doll" :p 15:08:12 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 15:15:50 <frosch123> hmm, i guess the same applies to townnames and such 15:16:24 <planetmaker> they have no setx issue, though, I guess 15:16:39 <frosch123> only as long as noone uses them :) 15:16:57 <frosch123> anyway, likely the same applies to colourcodes and such 15:17:30 <planetmaker> :-) 15:29:22 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:35:00 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't we already discuss a year ago that setx was a time bomb waiting to go off? 15:35:51 <planetmaker> something like that. I just don't recall the reasons to keep it :-) 15:36:22 <Rubidium> massive NewGRF breakage and/or NewGRFs breaking RTL support 15:36:24 <planetmaker> which obviously are ^ 15:38:24 <planetmaker> Rubidium, where can newgrf use the setx? 15:38:40 <planetmaker> and where _do_ they actually do so? 15:38:53 <planetmaker> I'd assume (only) to align strings in the purchase list 15:38:58 <planetmaker> maybe in some industry windows? 15:39:25 <frosch123> planetmaker: whenever you want to indent stuff 15:39:26 <Rubidium> at least in the vehicle list, but I've seen people wanting to use it in the industry view 15:39:53 <planetmaker> Rubidium, there's two industry sets. So... FIRS will quickly adopt, so it's no problem 15:40:05 <planetmaker> and ECS... dunno wether it does use it 15:40:12 <planetmaker> well. PBI 15:40:20 <planetmaker> but I don't recall 15:41:18 <frosch123> hmm, btw. does someone know whether the editbox works with rtl stuff? 15:41:24 <frosch123> (including rtl control codes) 15:42:17 <Rubidium> never had any complaints about it not working 15:43:03 <Guest1135> planetmaker: [19:38:07] and ECS... dunno wether it does use it - use what? 15:43:07 *** Guest1135 is now known as George 15:43:34 <George> planetmaker: [19:38:07] and ECS... dunno wether it does use it - use what? 15:43:38 *** George is now known as Guest1149 15:43:42 <frosch123> George: stringcode 01 and 1F 15:43:53 <frosch123> set X resp XY position 15:44:34 <Guest1149> ECS does not use them 15:44:48 <planetmaker> good :-) 15:48:41 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 15:48:48 *** Guest1149 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [] 15:49:27 *** George34 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 15:49:40 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.39] has left #openttd [] 15:51:54 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:52:21 *** George34 is now known as George 15:53:17 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 15:54:28 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:28 *** George3 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 15:54:49 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 15:55:28 *** George is now known as Guest1151 16:00:37 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=43949 <- well, back then it was only oz stuff 16:01:05 *** Guest1151 is now known as George 16:01:31 <frosch123> so nothing to care about 16:09:11 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:12 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [] 16:09:33 <planetmaker> frosch123, 2cctrainset used it also... afaik. But ... that's a set which also can adopt :-) 16:13:04 * robotboy might give in to building OpenTTD on DOS 16:17:57 <Rubidium> nah, you've been so stubborn that you should keep on going 16:18:23 *** George|3 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:18:59 <robotboy> I might try and hack ./configure to force the OS as DOS 16:19:08 <andythenorth> Alberth: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=46689&p=892011#p892011 16:19:11 <andythenorth> :D 16:20:11 *** George|3 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [] 16:20:15 <robotboy> I added a few more *nix utils that ./configure was whinging I didn't have and one of the ones that came with cut seems to have prevented me from parseing --os=DOS to ./configure 16:20:35 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:20:59 <robotboy> it tells me I passed --os=0 even if I passed --os=DOS 16:21:37 <Rubidium> maybe you've got a broken tr? (or no tr) 16:21:51 <robotboy> hm 16:22:12 <Rubidium> although, then it would've failed earlier I'd say 16:22:45 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [] 16:22:48 <Rubidium> although... you're not setting endian 16:23:01 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:23:08 <Rubidium> maybe expr fails 16:23:16 <robotboy> I shall try getting a new tr 16:23:27 <robotboy> It was working before though 16:23:29 <Rubidium> nah, it's more lileky expr fails 16:24:47 <robotboy> ok 16:25:07 *** George|2 is now known as George 16:25:42 <robotboy> this is just to get a dedicated build for the time being 16:25:47 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [] 16:26:06 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:26:13 <robotboy> If that builds then Ill try and work out why Allegro isn't linking 16:26:33 <robotboy> or isn't being found 16:27:02 <planetmaker> hm. Indeed only unreleased newgrf are using SetX(Y). Something to bother? 16:27:30 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:28:19 <robotboy> where is the best place to start writing a draft article for the wiki? 16:28:36 <andythenorth> planetmaker: murder it ! 16:28:37 <robotboy> my userpage\articlename? 16:28:44 <andythenorth> It's a wrong feature 16:28:49 <andythenorth> shouldn't exist 16:29:43 <planetmaker> andythenorth, it's not in my power to murder it :-) 16:29:56 <andythenorth> persuade Rubidium to do it 16:29:58 <planetmaker> but frogs are know to eat pesky insects 16:30:33 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:30:58 <Alberth> andythenorth: a bit of advertising is always welcome :) 16:30:59 <TruePikachu> Hello 16:31:15 *** andythenorth was kicked from #openttd by Rubidium [I'm assuming this is "it", right?] 16:32:20 * TruePikachu wonders if anyone has taken the time to database all of the NARS locomotives and wagons 16:32:30 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:31 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:32:49 <Rubidium> "it" is time for me to make some dinner! :) 16:33:07 <TruePikachu> Lol, I just woke up 16:33:13 * andythenorth has been busy 16:33:13 <andythenorth> http://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth/sets/72157624453772117/ 16:33:26 <Alberth> enjoy your dinner 16:35:24 <TruePikachu> Stupid neighbors kept setting off fireworks from 22:00 to 00:00 last night :( 16:35:36 <robotboy> TruePikachu, try pikkawiki 16:35:46 <TruePikachu> They are illegal here in California 16:36:03 <TruePikachu> robotboy: There isn't a list of the rolling stock stats there, IIRC 16:37:03 <Alberth> andythenorth: nice, not a Mud-plugger off-road heavy hauler, but very nice 16:37:35 <TruePikachu> brb *goes to start Lynx on TTY2* 16:37:36 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:37:37 <andythenorth> Alberth: you've seen the *big* truck then? 16:37:57 * robotboy should go to sleep 16:38:09 <TruePikachu> ummm...what's the URL for pikkawiki? 16:38:10 <Alberth> no idea, most likely not 16:38:36 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm36.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has left #openttd [Leaving] 16:38:56 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 16:39:01 <planetmaker> http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=NARS_Vehicle_List <-- like that, TruePikachu 16:39:12 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0f4db.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:17 <Alberth> I am just wondering that kind of vehicle it is :) 16:40:27 <planetmaker> apropos, andythenorth : I guess the two vehicle tickets you created last night / this morning belong to HEQS, not FIRS, right? ;-) 16:40:47 <TruePikachu> planetmaker: that only has the locomotives, not the rolling stock. 16:40:56 <andythenorth> planetmaker: probably 16:41:02 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [] 16:41:15 <andythenorth> Alberth: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth/sets/72157624355148698/ 16:41:19 <planetmaker> I took the liberty to move them to HEQS :-) 16:41:29 <andythenorth> thanks 16:42:25 <Alberth> andythenorth: wow! 16:42:46 <andythenorth> it's about 1m long and rather heavy 16:43:08 <TruePikachu> andythenorth: what is? 16:43:48 <Alberth> the vehicle in the photos 16:43:56 <TruePikachu> Which is... 16:44:31 <planetmaker> read 8 lines back 16:45:00 <TruePikachu> That's just a URL to an image, which Lynx cannot open 16:45:01 <Alberth> that's quite long. I have never built anything that long from lego 16:45:22 <planetmaker> TruePikachu, then use a better browser 16:45:36 * TruePikachu doesn't want to start KDE to use Firefox 16:46:05 * TruePikachu will wait for his friend to come here before starting KDE 16:46:15 * planetmaker wonders why KDE should be a pre-requisite for starting FF 16:46:43 <TruePikachu> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE 16:46:46 <TruePikachu> ^^ read 16:47:22 * Alberth does not want to explain in words what is much easier explained in pictures 16:47:42 * TruePikachu is in text mode 16:47:51 <Alberth> duh 16:48:38 <TruePikachu> planetmaker apparently doesn't understand the function of KDE 16:49:10 <Rubidium> it's: slow your computer down? right? 16:49:15 <TruePikachu> Text mode Linux : MS-DOS :: KDE : Windows 16:49:30 <TruePikachu> Rubidium: Yes, it does slow down the computer 16:49:35 <Rubidium> firefox should be able to run in just your framebuffer 16:49:38 <Alberth> you can run an X server without window manager, if you like 16:49:39 <TruePikachu> Everything slows down a PIII 16:50:04 <Eddi|zuHause> <TruePikachu> Text mode Linux : MS-DOS :: KDE : Windows <-- that is not correct 16:50:28 <TruePikachu> It is good enough 16:50:39 <TruePikachu> I know that there are other UI interfaces out there 16:50:46 <TruePikachu> I just can't remember their names 16:50:51 <planetmaker> <TruePikachu> planetmaker apparently doesn't understand the function of KDE <-- I do. It's what I run here, too 16:50:57 <Eddi|zuHause> Text mode Linux : MS-DOS :: X : Windows :: KDE : explorer.exe 16:50:58 <planetmaker> But it's by far not required. 16:50:59 <Alberth> why don't you use plain X and a very light weight window manager, like twm or so? 16:51:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.19.171] has joined #openttd 16:51:14 <planetmaker> ^ 16:51:24 <Alberth> runs easily, even at a 386 16:51:25 <planetmaker> kwm is not know to be light 16:51:31 *** perk111 [~perk11@85.173.13.48] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:37 <Alberth> Twm :) 16:51:38 <planetmaker> as it always wants to start kde, too 16:51:40 <Rubidium> TruePikachu: please tell me how to configure MS-DOS for 240x75 "mode" instead of just 80x25 16:52:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: hm, back in my days, i had a program for that 16:52:12 <TruePikachu> Rubidium: I'm not sure if it's possible, you can try "mode con lines=240 cols=75" 16:52:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it definitely needs a special graphics driver 16:52:45 <TruePikachu> *put the numbers in backwards 16:52:57 <TruePikachu> mode con lines=75 cols=240 16:52:58 <Rubidium> it never did work for more than 80x50 for me 16:53:06 <TruePikachu> Neither for me 16:53:11 <andythenorth> Alberth: I took a few more pictures http://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth/sets/72157624454166047/ 16:53:18 <TruePikachu> MS-DOS is terrible for these things 16:53:25 <Eddi|zuHause> my graphics card had a mode for something like 144x53 16:53:28 <Rubidium> also unicode is kinda lacking in MSDOS 16:53:51 <Eddi|zuHause> and it came with a program to switch the mode 16:53:59 <TruePikachu> Eddi|zuHause: Then it's most likely a graphics mode, which I've never had much luck for setting to the prompt 16:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause> TruePikachu: no, it was a text mode 16:54:22 <TruePikachu> O_o was the program a TSR? 16:54:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think so 16:54:56 <TruePikachu> O_O\ 16:55:00 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm really not sure anymore 16:55:09 <Eddi|zuHause> it was like 15 years ago... 16:55:41 <Eddi|zuHause> my graphics card back then was an ET 4000 16:55:44 * TruePikachu knows Linux > MS-DOS 16:55:56 <TruePikachu> Eddi|zuHause: No wonder. It was an alien! 16:56:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i wonder if i still have the manual 16:57:01 <Eddi|zuHause> indeed i do... 16:57:53 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-73-251.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:58:10 <Eddi|zuHause> "you are now the owner of a state-of-the-art video adapter that offers features and functions equal to, and beyond any other in the VGA class." 16:58:34 <Rubidium> but since you so well versed in MSDOS, maybe you can help robotboy with his MSDOS problem 16:58:35 <TruePikachu> JUST VGA? NOT SVGA? (emph, not yelling) 16:59:03 <Eddi|zuHause> "Extended text modes providing 132x24, 132x28, 132x44, 100x40 and 80x60" 16:59:08 <Rubidium> WUXGA FTW :) 16:59:32 <TruePikachu> I fixed it for you: WUXGA FTL :) 16:59:41 <Eddi|zuHause> TruePikachu: it was an SVGA card, but saying you are better than all those is probably wrong :p 16:59:54 <TruePikachu> ? 17:00:00 <Rubidium> TruePikachu: oh... a faster than light screen? Cool! 17:00:12 <Rubidium> should be good for gaming, no? 17:00:18 <TruePikachu> FTL = For the Lose 17:00:42 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-73-44.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:43 <Rubidium> nope, not here 17:01:46 <TruePikachu> Sometime, someone should design a NewGRF OpenTTD locomotive which has 0hp, but can go on rail, monorail, and maglev, in order to aid in converting track systems 17:01:48 <Eddi|zuHause> "5. Software Utilites [...] EANSI.SYS - replaces the ANSI.SYS device driver [to support] the extended screen modes" 17:02:10 <Alberth> andythenorth: the umbrella makes the size more clear :) and I like the details of the engine 17:02:32 <andythenorth> can't spend all my time on pixels and hex :) 17:02:34 <Eddi|zuHause> "DMODE.EXE - a utility [...] to switch the [...] display modes" 17:03:23 <TruePikachu> I remember that in yesterday's OpenTTD game, I had the "Musical Coke" mines 17:03:46 <TruePikachu> My friend was labeling coal mines with how much they were supplying 17:03:58 <TruePikachu> "200 metric tones of cola!" 17:04:11 <TruePikachu> My reply was "...sounds of Coke?" 17:04:40 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.19.171] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 17:05:09 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe he was playing toyland :p 17:05:30 <TruePikachu> No, this was all the first terrain type (I forget it's name) 17:05:39 <TruePikachu> It was a typo 17:05:56 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-73-251.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:00 <TruePikachu> coal ~ cola 17:06:18 <TruePikachu> tons ~ tones 17:06:40 <TruePikachu> We effectivly got a coal mine full of people belching :) 17:07:54 <Eddi|zuHause> so... this manual is: 10 pages to describe the hardware, 10 pages to describe the software, and 30 pages to describe how to get user programs from AutoCAD to Windows to use the drivers... 17:08:22 <TruePikachu> lol 17:08:34 <TruePikachu> Was OpenTTD listed? 17:09:02 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [] 17:09:05 <Eddi|zuHause> no, but WordPerfect 5.0/5.1 17:09:12 <TruePikachu> But I wanted to use the drivers for OpenTTD! 17:09:36 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:09:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Microsoft Windows Version 2.xx 17:09:43 <TruePikachu> Lol 17:09:58 <TruePikachu> Not even 3.0? 17:10:11 <TruePikachu> What DOS version? 17:10:15 <Eddi|zuHause> (and a separate entry for 3.0 and 3.1 each) 17:10:47 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:13 * Rubidium ponders the onomatopÅia of something heavy being thrown in a lake 17:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> and something called Microsoft Windows/386 Version 2.1 17:11:45 <TruePikachu> Rubidium: If it's big enough, it'll float 17:12:24 * Eddi|zuHause ponders the view of a killfile floating away... 17:12:40 <TruePikachu> lol 17:13:08 <TruePikachu> If it's dense enough, it'll sink 17:13:11 *** robotboy is now known as robobed 17:13:13 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.19.171] has joined #openttd 17:13:41 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but it's heavier now 17:14:35 <TruePikachu> bbl 17:14:36 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause> "choosing a mode that your monitor is not capable of displaying will bring unsatisfactory results" 17:16:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: the problem is that your "Lautmalerei" [why must foreign languages always use words from other foreign languages instead of just saying what they mean] results in a "*platsch*" instead of a "*plonk*", which is rather the sound of something metallic and resonant 17:16:37 <Rubidium> that's like "choosing a location that can't handle the number of people wanting to go there will bring unsatisfactory results" 17:16:37 *** Devroush [Devroush@94-225-68-150.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:17:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i sometimes believe that the german language is way too pragmatic for people to see the genious behind it... 17:18:38 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: if it were pragmatic it would have apartheit, not apartheid 17:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: that's just a really rarely used word... 17:19:25 <Eddi|zuHause> if it were in common use, its spelling would quickly be assimilated 17:19:41 *** Terkhen [~Terkhen@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:19:45 *** Ammler [~ammler@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:55 *** Hirundo [~Hirundo@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:17 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@salieri.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:35 * Rubidium likes the German pronounciation of ICE, even though it's more an English abbreviation 17:21:47 <Rubidium> instead of something like "sehr schnelle zug" like the french with TGV 17:21:51 <FauxFaux> "..ICE BABY"? 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17:49:28 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-73-44.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:49:56 *** Devroush [Devroush@94-225-68-150.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:01 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.112.145] has joined #openttd 17:56:30 <planetmaker> that's much nicer scrolling now, Alberth. It 'feels' right now :-) 17:57:13 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:58:30 *** Sacro_ [~ben@87.102.19.96] has joined #openttd 18:04:05 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-47-145.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:35 <Alberth> good 18:08:34 <frosch123> planetmaker: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email 18:08:52 <frosch123> only written though, not spoken :) 18:18:06 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:20:29 <TruePikachu> For today's game, should I make it PAX focused or FGT focused, using NARS? 18:20:39 <TruePikachu> And no ECS vectors 18:21:37 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 18:23:50 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.34] has joined #openttd 18:25:09 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:28:41 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 18:31:56 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:59 * andythenorth is hungry 18:32:40 <Wolf01> then feed yourself 18:33:19 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: "Email" is a white covering on metal surfaces, to prevent corrosion ;) 18:33:29 * andythenorth takes advice from Wolf01 18:34:05 <andythenorth> "In this room I can see a plate, a sandwich, and an elephant. What should I do?" 18:34:16 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.8.7.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:16 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email 18:34:43 <Wolf01> use the elwish sword with the elephant 18:34:58 <Wolf01> oh, that was zork, sorry 18:35:10 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: you are slow :) 18:35:18 <Alberth> andythenorth: feed the sanfwich to the elephant, so you can escape 18:35:28 <Alberth> *sandwich 18:35:32 <andythenorth> "The elephant doesn't like sandwiches" 18:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: why? there's only like 10 lines inbetween ;) 18:36:01 <Wolf01> play fresbee with the elephant 18:36:17 <Alberth> andythenorth: I am very bad with adventure games :( 18:36:25 <Wolf01> and when it's busy catching the plate, you steal the sandwich 18:36:31 <Terkhen> eat the elephant 18:36:34 <andythenorth> I cut my teeth on BBC Basic adventure games 18:36:36 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.8.7.42] has joined #openttd 18:36:45 * andythenorth likes Terkhen's suggestion 18:36:50 <Eddi|zuHause> although, Email is technically also a loan word 18:37:05 <Wolf01> "click on finish to continue" the only button is [cancel] ... 18:37:29 <Wolf01> Eddi|zuHause, in fact it should be e-mail 18:37:44 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:37:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: no, that is not what we are talking about ;) 18:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalto :) 18:38:25 * TruePikachu comes in and hears a discussion about what the discussion is about O_o 18:38:41 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.8.7.42] has quit [] 18:39:47 <Wolf01> you are talking about lending words from english: email is a german word, e-mail should be the right lent word 18:39:49 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.203] has joined #openttd 18:40:13 <Wolf01> so no collision 18:40:36 <Wolf01> but for ease, we always remove the - from e-mail 18:40:59 <Wolf01> or we should at least use eMail with the correct case 18:41:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Email, in this form, is a loan word from french Ãmail, with frankian [i.e. german] root "Smalt" or "Schmalt" 18:43:20 <Wolf01> ah, in that case 18:44:14 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.8.7.42] has joined #openttd 18:49:00 * planetmaker knows Email only as Emaille 18:49:02 * andythenorth should play a FIRS test game to see if industry closure is stopped 18:51:30 <TruePikachu> me is still waiting for his friend 18:51:34 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 18:51:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember a sketch a few years back, which went like "my grandfather alread had 'E-Mail', only they called it 'Email'." 18:54:16 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has joined #openttd 18:54:35 * TruePikachu is wondering where his friend even _is_ right now 18:57:07 * TruePikachu is glad he can store messages for later sending 19:01:35 <TruePikachu> **12:00 here, game was scheduled to begin now** 19:05:16 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:08:20 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.8.7.42] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:50 *** Xrufuian [~Xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-103.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:54 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: OpenTTD Server is UP] 19:11:30 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:11:37 <TruePikachu> Come on, the server is up 19:11:57 <Xrufuian> I beleve your IP changed. 19:12:06 * TruePikachu shrugs 19:12:19 <TruePikachu> On my join, you should have gotten my IP 19:12:22 <Eddi|zuHause> ever heard of /whois? 19:12:25 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.10.65.66] has joined #openttd 19:12:29 <TruePikachu> Yeah, that too 19:13:20 <Xrufuian> Ok. So IP is same. Looks like we're back to the same issue as yesterday. 19:13:32 <TruePikachu> What was the command with the IP tables? 19:13:59 * TruePikachu checks root's BASH log 19:14:44 <TruePikachu> Got the command, one moment... 19:14:59 <TruePikachu> (and I'll set it up as a real command in /bin) 19:16:15 <Xrufuian> And to think that you wondered why I keep Windows as my primary OS... 19:18:32 <TruePikachu> Try now 19:18:43 <Xrufuian> Ok, it's set. 19:18:54 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT] 19:19:32 <planetmaker> hm... 19:19:53 * planetmaker wonders how ignore lists work in xchat... seems to have failed 19:20:32 <planetmaker> probably got the host mask wrong 19:23:05 <Eddi|zuHause> very probably 19:23:20 <frosch123> night 19:23:27 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f67a9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:38 <Eddi|zuHause> quak 19:27:09 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dba9d18.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:17 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0f4db.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: bis dann] 19:29:50 *** JGR [~JGR@25-34.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 19:43:56 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:47:56 *** robobed [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:41 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@66.183.120.120] has joined #openttd 19:55:33 *** DDR [~chatzilla@66.183.112.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:39 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 20:09:06 *** Amis [~Amis@5400EBE8.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:33 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:22:13 *** perk111 [~perk11@94.233.252.100] has joined #openttd 20:27:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.19.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:05 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-228-224.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 20:38:16 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA5CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:02:47 *** Cian [~cian@83-71-9-78-dynamic.b-ras1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:02 *** MYOB [~cian@83-71-9-78-dynamic.b-ras1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:06 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.10.65.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08:13 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.10.65.66] has joined #openttd 21:10:50 *** Cian [~cian@83-71-9-78-dynamic.b-ras1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12:42 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 21:12:46 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:13:15 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:58e1:49ae:80d9:713f] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:48 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:58e1:49ae:80d9:713f] has joined #openttd 21:13:48 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-228-224.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 21:19:40 <Wolf01> 'night 21:19:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host138-20-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:27:51 *** KouDy [~KouDy@rb5ck203.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:28:25 *** heffer [~felix@HSI-KBW-095-208-017-052.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has quit [Quit: heffer] 21:29:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CC05.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:39 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:58e1:49ae:80d9:713f] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:59 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:58e1:49ae:80d9:713f] has joined #openttd 21:36:58 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:11 *** tdev [~udev@p508EDE26.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:46:58 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:49:40 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.19.96] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:30 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 21:52:20 *** Sacro [~Sacro@87.102.19.96] has joined #openttd 21:53:52 <MYOB> where does liblzo2 come from? google can't find it for me 21:54:09 <Rubidium> http://www.oberhumer.com/opensource/lzo/ 21:54:58 <MYOB> thanks 21:57:05 <MYOB> whoever did the initial patches for Haiku support appears to have built it with --disable-zlib --disable-lzo2 21:59:11 <Rubidium> ouch 21:59:46 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Quit: fmauneko] 21:59:53 <MYOB> mainly because the configure script doesn't even find where zlib is on Haiku and there's no liblzo2 port around 22:01:23 <MYOB> just checked and the last binary build for BeOS was a 0.47-era SVN build, oh dear 22:01:31 <MYOB> my fault as I vanished for about 4 years 22:01:40 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA5CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:51 <Rubidium> yeah, long long time ago 22:03:55 <MYOB> hah, I'm still in the credits list 22:05:38 <perk111> MYOB: What's the point to use BeOS? Is it better than Unix? (I'm just been interested) 22:05:58 <MYOB> perk111 well, you don't use BeOS anymore, its Haiku now 22:06:02 <MYOB> BeOS is a full decade out of date 22:06:16 <perk111> ok, the same question for Haiku 22:06:20 <MYOB> as goes "better than Unix" - yes and no. depends entirely what you want to do with it 22:06:35 <MYOB> its a lightweight natively graphical desktop OS. Is no server 22:06:38 <MYOB> Its* 22:06:56 <perk111> does it work with modern software? 22:07:10 <MYOB> what little there is for it uyes 22:07:11 <MYOB> yes* 22:07:22 <perk111> ok 22:07:22 <MYOB> its highly POSIX compliant and now, finally, has GCC4.3 22:07:28 *** perk111 is now known as perk11 22:07:40 <MYOB> and QT4.somethingorother if you insist on having ports 22:08:35 <MYOB> webkit based browser 22:08:45 <MYOB> native not QT 22:09:12 <perk11> but what makes it worth to be used? 22:09:27 <MYOB> what makes any OS worth using? 22:09:40 <Rubidium> stability 22:09:58 <MYOB> its fairly stable, especially compared to BeOS R5.03 22:10:19 <Rubidium> and a fancy name is appreciated as well 22:10:41 <Rubidium> something that doesn't sound like: I sat in the office and how are we going to call this operating system 22:10:48 <perk11> :) 22:10:58 <Rubidium> oh... I see a window... or oh... I see a McDonalds 22:11:27 <MYOB> haiku's named after the error messages from the including browser on BeOS 22:11:35 <MYOB> which were in the form of haikus 22:12:35 <perk11> a haiku-poem browser? 22:12:45 <MYOB> not the most marvelous reason, but they were under legal pressure to stop calling it OpenBeOS 22:12:48 <MYOB> no, it was called NetPositive 22:13:05 <MYOB> the error messages for incorrect urls etc were in the form of haiku's 22:13:16 <perk11> Oh 22:14:55 <perk11> thanks for enlightment, good bye 22:15:42 *** perk11 [~perk11@94.233.252.100] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 22:15:48 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3F55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!] 22:19:26 <Rubidium> MYOB: where can I see the (current) packaging stuff for OpenTTD on Haiku? 22:20:58 <MYOB> Rubidium packaging? we don't really have packaging... 22:21:13 <MYOB> I only found out about the existing 'port' by seeing the patches that went in 22:21:25 <Rubidium> ah 22:21:47 <Rubidium> that might've been me with Haiku in VirtualBox 22:21:55 <MYOB> there *is* a proto-packaging/port system, which I've not learnt properly 22:22:05 <MYOB> Rubidium if it is you didn't fix configure to see zlib ;) 22:22:35 <MYOB> now, if I'd remembered to connect my CD drive to virtualbox before starting I could get the data files, oh well 22:22:45 <MYOB> *restarts vbox* 22:23:11 <glx> just use open data files 22:23:12 <MYOB> I do actually use it on real hardware, just rather pathetically slow real hardware generally 22:23:20 <Rubidium> the commit message states that it kinda must have worked 22:23:37 <MYOB> vbox on my desktop is faster than the laptop I generally use 22:24:21 <Rubidium> and some jrepan did make a fix for the home directory later on, which I'd assume means he could get it to find zlib as well (or he just didn't care about that) 22:24:44 <Rubidium> lzo2 is something from not that long ago 22:25:27 <MYOB> he might not have cared 22:25:48 <Rubidium> at least, it wasn't added that long ago (we have minilzo, but that didn't quite agree with OpenTTD's CFLAGS) 22:25:57 <MYOB> current svn head has some mental graphics corruption, but that could be down to vbox 22:26:26 <Rubidium> I'd blame vbox and/or SDL 22:26:46 <MYOB> SDL is also a possibility yes 22:27:02 <MYOB> I had to 'upgrade' libs there, lets try a recompile 22:28:11 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.203] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:06 <MYOB> well relink first 22:30:04 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.10.65.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:21 <MYOB> its not just graphics corruption, the window keeps creeping bigger too 22:30:25 <MYOB> so definitely sounds like SDL! 22:30:51 <Rubidium> you could try -b32bpp-simple 22:31:27 <MYOB> will do after it recompiles (about 25mins on that vbox session) 22:31:38 <MYOB> I do have Haiku physically installed on this PC but its antiquely out of date 22:32:01 <MYOB> and contains the only working build environment for VLC on Haiku that I still need to document how to set up... 22:33:36 <Rubidium> ouch 22:33:56 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.10.65.66] has joined #openttd 22:34:02 <MYOB> well, the only working build environment for the ancient version of VLC that has a native interface that is 22:34:07 <MYOB> someones got the newer QT one "working" 22:34:31 <MYOB> with some slight problems like, oh, not being able to play any disc based media. and IIRC, no sound.... 22:34:49 <MYOB> VLC was the other thing I was port maintainer for when I got bored, see 22:35:02 *** Jhs [~Jhs4@188.113.85.20] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42:01 <Rubidium> found the haiku ports stuff, looking at zlib I'm wondering... why does 1.2.3 have some --prefix=/boot/common and the 1.2.5 one not? 22:42:09 <Rubidium> does 1.2.5 do it automagically? 22:42:34 * Rubidium would've so much liked a zlib-config and lzo2-config :) 22:43:16 <MYOB> I'd guess it must have, I'm not that involved with haiku-ports to know 22:43:19 <MYOB> generally just use the binaries 22:43:35 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:35 <Rubidium> the 1.2.5 source has no trace of haiku (anycase) 22:43:48 <MYOB> there's a possibility beporter sets that path itself 22:43:51 <Rubidium> and only a bit of defined(__BEOS__) 22:44:18 <MYOB> boot/common is the path where it'll always be installed, however 22:44:20 * Rubidium dislikes magic :) 22:45:11 <Rubidium> you might try allegro if sdl's graphics still fail 22:45:31 <Rubidium> it's performance is a bit worse than SDL's though 22:46:48 <MYOB> that compile is taking so long the screen blanker kicked in, jesus 22:47:06 <MYOB> think I might throw a more recently nightly on to the other HDD in this... 22:47:28 <MYOB> I had to buy one of the last processors going with no VT-x of course 22:47:58 <Rubidium> poor soul 22:48:16 <Rubidium> I just searched till I found one that did have VT-x :) 22:48:26 <MYOB> it was cheap in PC World. Suspiciously cheap, in fact... 22:48:33 <Rubidium> and if that's not what Intel uses, the Intel equivalent of that 22:48:40 <MYOB> its Intel's 22:48:48 *** Coco-Banana-Man [~Stephan.D@p5B2D965D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Regel Nr. 1: Jeder hört auf mein Kommando! - Regel Nr. 2: Jeder bleibt auf dem Weg! - Regel Nr. 3: ... ... Der, der blÀht, als hinterster geht!] 22:49:02 <MYOB> live in the shadow of Intel's IFO and Fab24/24-2, people don't buy AMD here 22:49:51 <Rubidium> been at Intel... wasn't that fun; Atmel was much nicer 22:50:47 <MYOB> OK, its SDL 22:51:57 <MYOB> never worked for Intel but its impossible not to know people that do here 22:52:42 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-202-15.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:54:35 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:12 *** Dreamxtreme [Dreamxtrem@92.10.65.66] has quit [Quit: Going!] 22:57:27 <MYOB> time to try SDL from haikuport's 22:58:53 <Rubidium> anyhow, where's zlib/lzo (or where would it be?) 22:59:02 <Rubidium> or have you modified config.lib already? 23:00:58 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:01:13 *** elmz_ [~elmz@166.80-202-30.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 23:02:14 <MYOB> it'd be in /boot/common 23:02:22 <MYOB> I've modified config.lib for zlib 23:02:27 <Rubidium> /boot/common/include and such, right? 23:02:28 <MYOB> not even built liblzo yet 23:02:30 <MYOB> yeah 23:02:33 <Rubidium> so http://rbijker.net/openttd/haiku.diff would probably work 23:02:49 <MYOB> yeah 23:02:52 <MYOB> thats effectively what I have 23:03:48 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 23:04:15 *** Kovensky [~kovensky@abraxo.bluebottle.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:04:18 <Rubidium> can you test whether it actually works? 23:05:14 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 23:06:03 <MYOB> in a few moments 23:09:00 *** elmz [~elmz@166.80-202-30.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:02 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 23:09:49 *** JGR [~JGR@25-34.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else] 23:11:11 <MYOB> or more than a few as I need SDL reinstalled for it to get that far in the configure script 23:11:34 <Rubidium> use --enable-dedicated :) 23:12:53 <MYOB> it finds zlib alright 23:12:58 <MYOB> I assume liblzo uses the same routine? 23:13:04 <Rubidium> good & yes 23:14:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20219 /trunk/config.lib: -Fix: Haiku uses a "special" location for headers 23:15:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20220 /trunk/ (known-bugs.txt src/misc_gui.cpp src/string.cpp): -Fix [FS#3974]: strip non-printable characters before showing it in an edit box, so when renaming a vehicle type you won't get the "SETX stuff" that some NewGRFs use 23:17:14 <MYOB> that was painless as beating stuff in to submission for Haiku goes 23:17:38 <MYOB> before we got the GCC4 loading support it was hell trying to work around GCC 2.9.x's extremely poor C99 23:19:13 <Rubidium> you'll have to wait a while before that fix makes it into a stable release though 23:20:27 <MYOB> not like Haiku particularly understands the idea of stable releases ;) 23:20:43 <MYOB> its like ffmpeg a few years ago, they're done but there's an instant answer of "use the nightlies" when theres problems with them 23:21:26 <glx> we do the same "check if the bug is in nightlies too" 23:21:28 <Rubidium> oh... it's not going to take years, just a bit over two months 23:22:25 <MYOB> once this actually works I'll fire a build up on bebits just so people realise I'm actually alive 23:23:05 <MYOB> the last build there is an svn one also, from around the time network play started to not desynchronise ever five minutes ;) 23:23:05 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:58e1:49ae:80d9:713f] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@2a01:198:5c1:0:58e1:49ae:80d9:713f] has joined #openttd 23:23:42 <Rubidium> back then desyncs were easy... just load a NewGRF and tell nobody 23:24:15 <Rubidium> now it's becoming quite hard, and the methods to reproduce them have become much better 23:24:50 <glx> stable are as stable as possible yes 23:26:29 <Rubidium> lately all desyncs seem to be NewGRF related :( 23:27:22 <MYOB> SDL is still building *starts banging head against wall* 23:27:44 <Rubidium> in any case... happy desyncs are easier to debug now, even though everything's a lot more complex 23:28:22 * Rubidium remembers trying to do a desync hunt with an PPC OS X user that didn't know anything about compiling 23:32:46 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8d215.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:35 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 23:34:45 <Xaroth> poor Rubidium 23:35:44 *** APTX_ [~APTX@chello089076052083.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:57 *** snc [rdlBNC@178.32.93.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:57 *** welshdragon [rdlBNC@178.32.93.53] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:58 <MYOB> methinks there's a bug in our SDL implementation 23:38:11 <MYOB> does the application query the screen resolution on opening by any chance? 23:38:15 <Rubidium> tried -b32bpp-simple? 23:38:53 <MYOB> yeah, same 23:38:56 <Rubidium> MYOB: it might be querying for valid resolutions, though AFAIK not the current resolution 23:40:34 <MYOB> just trying to think what could be causing the window size to continually creep bigger and bigger 23:41:02 <Rubidium> resize events 23:41:45 <Rubidium> SDL gets (from OS) message: window 1 pixel bigger, passes that to OpenTTD, which sets the window 1 pixel bigger after which the whole story starts again 23:42:01 <MYOB> so it sounds like an SDL bug then 23:42:09 <Rubidium> yep 23:42:53 <MYOB> how old an SDL rev can we use? 23:43:36 <glx> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/1532 was fun to debug :) 23:44:03 <Rubidium> MYOB: I've got no idea; never tested that, but I reckon a really really old one 23:44:20 <MYOB> 1.2.12 is the oldest on haikufiles, and its not particularly old at all 23:44:35 <Rubidium> not much has changed in the sdl part of OpenTTD since 0.1.1 w.r.t. called functions 23:44:59 <Rubidium> and there isn't something checking a particular minimum version, so we haven't had problems with that either 23:46:08 <MYOB> .12 doesn't build on GCC4 Haiku it appears, lets try .13 and then the mercurial head after that... 23:46:21 <Rubidium> glx: yeah, though the Korean path stuff one was fancy as well 23:46:39 <Rubidium> MYOB: or just use allegro :) 23:46:57 <MYOB> Rubidium I want to figure out if this a bug I need to log against SDL first ;) 23:47:00 <glx> the font stuff ? 23:47:07 <MYOB> well, more like, find out when it became a bu 23:47:09 <Rubidium> glx: yes 23:47:38 <glx> yes we had some fun with that too 23:49:23 <MYOB> oh I can't be bothered installing mercurial at this time of night 23:55:03 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-224-240.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]