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00:00:58 <TruePikachu> Lol, it's amazing 00:01:16 <TruePikachu> Slow, but amazing 00:01:32 <TruePikachu> (and it isn't slow from PC lag) 00:08:19 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 00:10:00 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:21 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:15:19 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 00:15:30 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 00:16:53 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:19:19 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.165.204] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 00:22:05 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:22:40 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:32:37 *** fmauneko [~fmauneko@88.166.241.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:58:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A58E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:11 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:41:23 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:44:39 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:09:05 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.6.241] has joined #openttd 02:17:01 <VVG> morning 02:34:35 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:59:49 <TruePikachu> VVG: it's 8PM, you sure sleep in :) 03:00:58 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ddad.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:18:34 <VVG> yeah, i like to sleep 03:19:30 <VVG> If i say that "Non-destructive autofill updates only traveling times, if waiting times are preset", this will be correct? 03:19:59 <VVG> i just noticed it's in trunk since 14592 but wiki has nothing about it 03:31:27 <VVG> captchas used on wiki are something totally out of this world 03:37:45 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:48e9:1e3f:a5d8:8f7a] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:43:37 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 03:50:17 <VVG> Is it ok to use both a warning and a note right after it on wiki? 03:51:49 <TruePikachu> Can you suggest an easy-to-beat AI that actually tries to win? 03:53:53 <TruePikachu> VVG: About the Wiki, you can put it with both, and, if unneccessary, part of it will be deleted 03:54:33 <VVG> no, i don't play with AIs 03:54:43 <TruePikachu> :( I'm bored 03:55:31 <TruePikachu> How quickly does 256*256 fill up, compared to 1024*256? 03:56:47 <TruePikachu> And should it lag as much as 1024*256? 03:58:15 <VVG> dunno, no 04:00:23 <TruePikachu> Lol, I'll try SimpleAI 04:00:30 <TruePikachu> It tries to imitate the old AI 04:00:46 <TruePikachu> BUT I'm using lots of game changes since then 04:01:11 <TruePikachu> One thing is, like how the old AI did lots of 90deg, well, they're disabled ;D 04:26:09 <TruePikachu> Can AIs buy exclusive rights? 04:30:33 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.6.241] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77E46.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74BC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:32:53 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:42:45 <TruePikachu> Lol, the AI was going to cross one of my major rail lines 05:42:57 <TruePikachu> I quickly set up a road for them to take 05:43:03 <TruePikachu> They took it 05:43:20 <TruePikachu> Later, I set both ends of the road to one-way RIGHT INTO THE TRACKS :D 05:43:53 <TruePikachu> A few years later, the CPU went bankrupt replacing all those vehicals rather than finding the source of the problem 05:50:43 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:06:59 <Terkhen> good morning 06:15:49 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 06:38:11 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 06:39:16 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:40:18 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:54:19 <VVG> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=49799 :) 06:54:52 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 07:02:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:21:15 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~Br33z4hSl@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 07:24:13 <TruePikachu> VVG: Are you aiming for trunk integration? 07:24:57 <dihedral> he should aim at making an as clean as possible patch 07:25:05 <dihedral> trunk integration is then up to other people 07:25:33 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe34dc00-202.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:26:07 <dihedral> personally i must say i find the thought of yet another time in the game confusing 07:27:12 <TruePikachu> yes 07:27:18 <VVG> dihedral: did you saw a link about 24h timetables game? 07:27:56 <TruePikachu> I did, I think 07:28:08 <dihedral> let me put it this way - as it is network compatible across various settings and is purely client side, i am not forced to like it :-P 07:28:31 <dihedral> it can rest in the game without me ever needing to take notice ^^ 07:28:33 <VVG> :) 07:28:43 <dihedral> i am sure there are people out there who would like it though 07:28:47 <dihedral> perhaps Wolf01 07:29:52 <VVG> well, that's how it happened to me - saw a link, wanted to try, failed at organizing it properly, because there is just no stable loop to base it on. thus, came the desire to resurrect the patch 07:32:11 <dihedral> well - i guess you will get to know that part of the code well :-) 07:34:56 <TruePikachu> What is the EXACT ratio to ticks per day? 07:35:30 <VVG> day is 74 ticks long in trunk 07:35:37 <TruePikachu> Exactly? 07:35:46 <VVG> yeah 07:36:02 * TruePikachu wonders where 74 comes from now 07:36:11 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8D2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:36:53 <dihedral> TruePikachu, why is the origin important? 07:37:09 <TruePikachu> I'm wondering 07:38:00 <dihedral> have a look at the world time of swatch, it's in beats 07:38:04 <dihedral> a day has 1000 beats 07:38:30 <TruePikachu> ? 07:39:19 <dihedral> why on earth they did that i do not know ;-) 07:39:26 <dihedral> i do not need to either :-P 07:39:36 <VVG> thousand sounds cool! 07:39:41 <TruePikachu> @calc 74*3 07:39:41 <DorpsGek> TruePikachu: 222 07:39:58 <TruePikachu> 2.22 seconds per day, not significant enough 07:40:25 <dihedral> depends on your computer ;-) 07:40:40 <dihedral> a slow computer needs longer to calculate the 74 ticks 07:40:42 <TruePikachu> @calc factor(74) 07:40:42 <DorpsGek> TruePikachu: Error: 'factor' is not a defined function. 07:40:47 <dihedral> and thus needs more than 2.22 seconds 07:40:59 <TruePikachu> dihedral: Look @ my computer 07:41:25 <dihedral> why should i? 07:41:31 <TruePikachu> IT's slow :P 07:41:37 <TruePikachu> *It's 07:41:38 <dihedral> not my concern :-P 07:41:47 <TruePikachu> Wait, I got an idea 07:42:06 <dihedral> and perhaps your definition of slow != my definition of slow ;-) 07:43:08 <TruePikachu> :( 67.569... seconds per month, doesn't help much 07:43:43 <dihedral> @calc 67.56 / 31 07:43:43 <DorpsGek> dihedral: 2.17935483871 07:43:46 <dihedral> @calc 67.56 / 30 07:43:46 <DorpsGek> dihedral: 2.252 07:43:49 <dihedral> @calc 67.56 / 28 07:43:49 <DorpsGek> dihedral: 2.41285714286 07:43:54 <dihedral> which month? ^^ 07:44:03 <VVG> you forgot 29 07:44:22 <TruePikachu> An average of days of the month throughout all eternity 07:45:08 <TruePikachu> 30.43684954... days ~ 1 month 07:45:10 <VVG> eternity is 2^31 around here 07:45:16 <VVG> long* 07:46:38 <TruePikachu> 74 = 37 * 2 07:48:01 <TruePikachu> 3.459[459]... days in 256 ticks 07:48:54 <TruePikachu> Wait, what year was Chris Swayer born in? 07:48:58 <TruePikachu> *Sawyer 07:51:57 * TruePikachu thinks that the year 1974 has some significance to him 07:54:16 <TruePikachu> Google seems to be little help 07:55:11 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:55:39 <TruePikachu> TomyLobo: Know of any significance of the number 74? Possibly with Chris Sawyer? 07:56:01 <TomyLobo> uh 07:56:16 <TomyLobo> it's 42 with one bit moved :) 07:56:31 <TomyLobo> the msb moved one left 07:56:43 <TruePikachu> ...seriously? 07:56:47 <TomyLobo> yes 07:57:10 <TomyLobo> 64+8+2 vs 32+8+2 07:57:14 <TruePikachu> Lol, I didn't know that the rate of time in OpenTTD was based upon the meaning of life :D 07:57:24 <dihedral> TruePikachu, the reason is in the source ;-) 07:57:35 <TomyLobo> i guess it fit his test machine :) 07:57:43 <TomyLobo> or minimum target platform 07:57:45 * TruePikachu doesn't know where in the source 07:57:54 <TomyLobo> i personally would have probably picked 64 07:57:58 <TomyLobo> for the shiftings 07:58:02 <Rubidium> *sigh* 07:58:10 <TruePikachu> I would have done something like 72 07:58:14 <dihedral> 1 day is 74 ticks; _date_fract used to be uint16 and incremented by 885. On 07:58:14 <dihedral> 10 * an overflow the new day begun and 65535 / 885 = 74. 07:58:47 <dihedral> 1 tick is approximately 30 ms. 07:58:54 <dihedral> 1 day is thus about 2 seconds (74 * 30 = 2220) on a machine that can run OpenTTD normally 07:59:01 <TomyLobo> ok and where does the 8856 come from? :) 07:59:29 <TomyLobo> 886* 07:59:31 <TomyLobo> 885* 07:59:34 <TruePikachu> lol 08:00:45 * TruePikachu doesn't understand 08:01:18 <TruePikachu> You wrote "10 Ctrl+I space * bunch of spaces"... 08:01:50 <TomyLobo> 64*32ms = 2048ms 08:02:30 <TomyLobo> 65536/1024 = 64 08:04:50 <TomyLobo> TruePikachu why 72? 08:05:07 <TruePikachu> Each tick would be 20min 08:05:17 <TruePikachu> in-game 08:05:43 <TomyLobo> huh? 08:06:03 <TruePikachu> 1 day / 72 = 20 min 08:06:59 <TomyLobo> ah 08:07:29 <dihedral> TruePikachu, diskuss it with Rubidium or TrueBrain ;-) 08:07:32 <TomyLobo> well this way it'd be 22.5 mins 08:07:51 <TomyLobo> 1/8 h 08:07:56 <TomyLobo> err 08:08:02 <TomyLobo> 3/8 h 08:08:26 <TruePikachu> For how many ticks? 08:08:30 <TomyLobo> ^tick 08:08:33 <TomyLobo> 1 tick 08:08:46 <jordi> Rubidium: not really. Probably it's been enough now 08:08:57 <TruePikachu> 1 tick in a day would be 24 hours per tick :P 08:09:32 <TomyLobo> oh i thought you were asking how many ticks in 3/8h 08:09:39 <TomyLobo> the answer is 64 in that case 08:09:54 <TruePikachu> Lol, just figured that out 08:10:46 <TomyLobo> 32 bit virtual time integer: ddddddddddddddddddddddddddtttttt 08:10:51 <TomyLobo> 64 bit accordingly 08:11:00 <TomyLobo> as you can see, it's easy to separate 08:11:40 <TruePikachu> Yes, it is 08:11:48 <TomyLobo> time = virtual_time & 63; date = (virtual_time & ~63) >> 6 08:11:56 <TomyLobo> actually 08:12:01 <TomyLobo> time = virtual_time & 63; date = virtual_time >> 6 08:14:46 *** akfaew [dude@server1.bshellz.net] has joined #openttd 08:17:18 * TruePikachu just proved that you can put 50% more straight pins into a box by hand rather than by machine; Now I'll see how it can be benificial to rails and NoAI 08:17:58 <TomyLobo> lol 08:18:13 <TomyLobo> i guess that's just transport safety 08:18:24 * TruePikachu 's hands hurt now 08:18:29 <TomyLobo> and profit margin :D 08:18:40 <TruePikachu> 600 individual pins :( 08:18:50 <TruePikachu> By hand w/o gloves 08:19:10 <TomyLobo> do your fingers bleed? 08:19:32 <TruePikachu> They aren't, but it's annoying when you are using rattlesnake eggs to try and help 08:19:43 <TruePikachu> Pinc some flying towards them 08:19:47 <TruePikachu> *pins 08:19:53 <TruePikachu> *come 08:19:59 <TruePikachu> lol, switched letters 08:20:15 <TomyLobo> better rattlesnake eggs than butterfingers 08:20:24 <Rubidium> jordi: too bad there isn't some limit :( 08:20:40 <TruePikachu> Anyway, it's even more annoying when you have a second one sitting in the middle of the pin pile, and it gets attracted to the one in your hand 08:21:34 <TruePikachu> Surprisingly, no real injuries 08:21:46 <TruePikachu> Unlike what I did to an AI earlier today 08:22:45 <TruePikachu> An AI was going to build across one of my train routes with light traffic, so I helped by building some roads for them 08:23:07 <TruePikachu> I also helped control the traffic flow with one-way arrows :D 08:24:01 <TruePikachu> The trucks kept getting destroyed, so the AI kept rebuilding them, and they went bankrupt because they never found the problem 08:26:15 <TruePikachu> That was fun 08:27:48 <dihedral> open up a blog, and let those interested in your stories read it 08:29:13 * TruePikachu decides to create a page in OpenTTD Wiki Userspace about OpenTTD stories 08:29:52 <TruePikachu> Nah, I hate keeping things like that up to date 08:33:34 <TomyLobo> shoo dihedral, i thought it was funny 08:33:49 <Rubidium> dihedral: you can actively suppress those stories on IRC as well 08:34:48 <TruePikachu> I was bored 08:34:49 <dihedral> ^^ 08:35:48 <dihedral> Rubidium, i just have not come across such a feature on the bouncer 08:35:58 <dihedral> else i need to keel the list up to date on every client i use :-P 08:36:09 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: A key, command, or action that tells the system to return to a previous state or stop a process.] 08:36:16 <Rubidium> use screen+irssi 08:36:24 <TruePikachu> ...I am... 08:37:09 <TruePikachu> (oh, and my comment about being bored was regarding what I did to the AI) 08:37:37 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 08:40:15 <peter1138> dihedral, there's a feature called /quit, or possibly /exit 08:40:34 <dihedral> :-D 08:40:42 <TruePikachu> What about /part ? 08:40:54 <dihedral> that is not as significant ^^ 08:41:19 <TruePikachu> /server localhost 08:41:21 <peter1138> he could still receive messages after using part 08:42:07 <TruePikachu> I know an ever better one, but it has to be done from BASH 08:42:15 <TruePikachu> sudo /sbin/init 0 08:42:28 <TruePikachu> Oh, you need sudo privliges 08:43:04 <TruePikachu> Oh, and that's only for *nix 08:43:33 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:43:48 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 08:44:06 <TruePikachu> ^^ What did you try? 08:44:25 <peter1138> oh please 08:44:32 <peter1138> has to be done "from a shell" 08:44:41 <peter1138> don't assume everyone uses bash, eh? 08:44:48 <TruePikachu> Ok 08:46:33 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:46:48 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 08:47:26 <TruePikachu> dihedral: I'm just wondering, why are you doing that? 08:48:10 <TruePikachu> Or, at least, what are you trying to do? 08:49:28 <dihedral> update my bouncer! 08:49:41 <Rubidium> did you install the ignore module of znc? 08:49:46 <TruePikachu> bouncer being... 08:49:46 <dihedral> :-P 08:50:13 <dihedral> TruePikachu, you have enough keywords to use google 08:50:23 <TruePikachu> Try /ignore , that may be what you're after (I'm not sure what exactly what you're after, though) 08:51:11 <TruePikachu> Oh, I was way off :P 08:54:55 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*dih@*.noaddedsugar.net] by peter1138 08:54:55 *** dihedral was kicked from #openttd by peter1138 [this works] 08:55:47 <Rubidium> peter1138: isn't it better to ban the troll? 08:56:55 <peter1138> who's the troll? 08:57:03 <Rubidium> TruePikasomething 08:57:17 <akfaew> if a vehicle waits on a station on "full load" and after some time departs, is the cargo depart time equal to vehicle depart time, or the time it was first loaded? 08:57:39 <peter1138> I fail to see any trollishness from him 08:58:00 <peter1138> only dihedral complaining about content he doesn't care about 08:58:10 <Rubidium> peter1138: see e.g. FS#4070 08:58:19 <peter1138> and it's temporary :) 08:58:30 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*dih@*.noaddedsugar.net] by peter1138 08:58:33 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 08:59:06 <peter1138> Rubidium, perhaps pointless. not trollish though. 08:59:43 <Rubidium> then at least he's extremely annoying 08:59:58 <peter1138> i find dihedral extremely annoying 09:00:20 <Rubidium> then /ignore him :) 09:00:55 <peter1138> can't do that, i might forget why and remove it 09:01:19 <Noldo> irssi has temporary ignores 09:01:20 <Rubidium> in any case, I find people who have no clue about a particular subject telling incorrect things to unsuspecting users quite annoying 09:01:48 <Rubidium> Noldo: the point is that he needs some way of adding a note why he ignored the person 09:02:20 <TruePikachu> Oh, the shortcomings of all blocking softwares; no way to really type a remark 09:02:55 <dihedral> peter1138, i found my ignore module ;-) 09:03:14 <dihedral> problem solved on my side ^^ 09:03:55 <VVG> i usually forget the reason for ignore right after setting ignore. later, there being and ignore is a reason enough for me to keep it 09:04:06 <VVG> s/and/an 09:05:26 <TruePikachu> Rubidium: What was that comment on the flyspray about? I am just trying to help, not trying to troll 09:06:58 * TruePikachu thinks that Rubidium thought I was a troll ever since that incident from my first day here 09:07:24 <TruePikachu> Stupid NAT 'fixing' 09:09:05 <peter1138> TruePikachu, has he you on ignore, so don't bother :) 09:10:01 <TruePikachu> I hate when people get the wrong first impressions of me, it causes things like this to happen 09:10:47 <TruePikachu> And it's even worse when the people pay more attention to my mistakes than my successes 09:12:06 <TruePikachu> Then they flame/bash/etc me, and make me look bad 09:14:28 <dihedral> thegrebs.com do not log this channel anymore? what a shame - i liked those logs 09:15:05 <TruePikachu> Great, now Rubidium seems to be trying to break into my computer; the IP address from DenyHosts matches his IP address 09:15:08 <planetmaker> moin 09:15:14 <planetmaker> there's more than one person with that setting, peter1138 :-) 09:15:28 <VVG> dihedral: that's kinda funny point in time to bring that topic :) 09:15:39 <TruePikachu> lol 09:15:47 <Terkhen> hi planetmaker 09:15:57 <TruePikachu> hello planetmaker 09:16:26 <dihedral> hey pm 09:16:28 <VVG> dihedral: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/ there are some logs there 09:16:35 <VVG> hey there 09:16:35 <dihedral> i know ;-) 09:16:50 <dihedral> but i always enjoyed the ones at thegrebs.com a bit more ;-) 09:16:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A1E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:16:56 <dihedral> personal preference, that's all 09:17:12 <VVG> nvm then :) 09:17:13 <peter1138> why bother reading logs to see what people you're ignoring are saying? 09:17:16 *** emielia [~emielia@84-105-178-112.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:17:43 <emielia> hi all 09:17:50 <dihedral> merely checking the ignore module worked ;-) 09:18:04 <Terkhen> hi emielia 09:18:09 <planetmaker> moin emielia 09:18:13 <VVG> hei 09:18:40 <TruePikachu> Lol, just noticed it's 2AM here, night all 09:18:40 <emielia> how are you terkhen? 09:18:47 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:18:55 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 09:19:17 <emielia> 11:30 in the netherlands 09:19:20 <planetmaker> the public logs are much more chitter chatter than my local ones :-) 09:19:29 <dihedral> :-D 09:19:31 <dihedral> lol 09:19:34 <planetmaker> you're off by 11 minutes, emielia ;-) 09:19:44 <emielia> ? 09:19:52 <planetmaker> it's 11:19h here 09:19:58 <dihedral> dito 09:20:05 <Terkhen> studying, and as a result bored 09:20:11 <emielia> how do you know that? 09:20:12 <Terkhen> 11:20 here 09:20:36 <dihedral> it is now Terkhen ^^ 09:20:41 <Terkhen> :P 09:20:46 <planetmaker> :-P 09:21:10 <VVG> you are all lying about time at "here"! 09:21:48 <emielia> oh 09:22:18 <blathijs> Hmm, TruePikachu != TrueBrain apparently 09:22:37 <planetmaker> blathijs: of course! 09:22:52 <blathijs> Well, TrueBrain isn't very nick-steady, so it could have been ;-) 09:22:55 *** elho [elho@psycho.elho.net] has quit [Quit: brb] 09:23:09 <planetmaker> :-) It's usually feasable quite quickly to tell from the behaviour :-) 09:23:48 <emielia> im loking for new new grf's 09:24:24 <planetmaker> hm... write one? 09:24:30 <emielia> sure 09:25:25 <planetmaker> otherwise become aquainted with the 'online content' feature 09:25:46 <emielia> hmm 09:26:40 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:45 <emielia> who know a grf for openttd?? 09:26:51 <planetmaker> ... 09:27:00 <emielia> new grf 09:27:02 <planetmaker> [11:25] <planetmaker> otherwise become aquainted with the 'online content' feature 09:27:03 <dihedral> planetmaker, anotherone? :-D 09:27:27 <planetmaker> dihedral: no 09:27:50 <emielia> im listing on youtube 09:28:00 <planetmaker> maybe yes... 09:28:03 <dihedral> :-D 09:28:04 <emielia> look at my provil on youtube innioppo 09:28:04 <dihedral> hehe 09:28:58 <emielia> bye guys om going look for other new grf's 09:29:13 *** emielia [~emielia@84-105-178-112.cable.quicknet.nl] has left #openttd [] 09:29:20 <planetmaker> now, that was weired 09:29:22 <Terkhen> lol 09:33:24 *** yorick [yorick@2001:470:8:257::2] has joined #openttd 09:35:00 <planetmaker> http://vimeo.com/14054461 <- some people just have a hand for photography it seems 09:52:15 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.12.231] has joined #openttd 10:03:33 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:30 *** dihedral [~dih@188.64.43.18] has joined #openttd 10:08:14 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:09:10 *** dihedral [~dih@188.64.43.18] has quit [] 10:09:25 *** dihedral [~dih@188.64.43.18] has joined #openttd 10:15:59 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 10:17:37 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 10:21:49 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-53-177.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:00 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-71-208.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:24:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:27:40 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 10:34:32 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:39:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:39:52 <Wolf01> hello 10:41:38 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.73.132] has joined #openttd 10:41:48 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.19.165.204] has joined #openttd 10:52:27 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8f98c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:34 <Wolf01> I asked securom to ban 2 of my serials, so I can freely crack the game, cracked runs better :| 11:05:08 <planetmaker> lol? 11:05:59 <Wolf01> the original asks always to activate... and freezes in the middle of a game 11:07:20 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:35 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 11:09:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A1E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10:45 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:12:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it is well known that "copy protection" stuff only makes things worse for "honest buyers" 11:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and has practically no effect on actual copying 11:13:19 <Wolf01> I told it to securom, they replied "is not our problem" 11:13:48 <Rubidium> yeah, like DRM on CDs so older CD players can't play it. They got "sued" in the NL and now most CDs don't have the "this is a CD"-logo anymore, so it doesn't need to work in older CD players 11:14:02 <Wolf01> oh, maybe the DDOS attack to their servers is not my problem... 11:14:12 <Rubidium> yay for DRM making the world a worse place 11:17:07 <Wolf01> the real problem is now trying to find a "crack only" for the right language and version, maybe clean from trojans, I don't need the game, I already have the DVDs, I don't want to download 12GB for 5MB of crack :P 11:19:14 <Wolf01> since those stupid releasers don't understand how to make a .torrent, they can add 2 separate files, one for the game and one for the crack, not all in a single archive -.- 11:20:14 <Rubidium> Wolf01: but they can't password that (and thus ask money from you) 11:22:14 <Wolf01> I already spent my money... I think I'll bring back te game and replace it for the Xbox360 version 11:23:16 <Wolf01> charging the shop because the xbox edition (game+exp) costs less than PC game + PC exp purchased in 2 times 11:26:53 <Eddi|zuHause> luckily, for computer programs, there exists §69a UrhG 11:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> "(5) Die Vorschriften der §§ 95a bis 95d finden auf Computerprogramme keine Anwendung." 11:28:05 <Eddi|zuHause> where §§95a to 95d relate to circumventing DRM 11:28:26 <Wolf01> unluckily I live in Italy, here exists Mafia, lupara, Berlusconi 11:38:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 11:38:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i just wonder if any judge ever ruled that cooking receipts constitute "computer programs" 11:38:59 <peter1138> cooking receipts? 11:39:15 <Eddi|zuHause> probably mistranslation ;) 11:39:19 <peter1138> recipes? 11:39:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, that sounds more appropriate 11:39:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the same word in german... 12:00:46 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has joined #openttd 12:06:31 *** Guest337 is now known as SmatZ 12:12:37 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: bye] 12:17:24 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 12:18:15 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:20:40 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8D2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A1E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:22:11 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:10 <Wolf01> "We are sorry, that you have troubles. Please contact the game publishers 12:24:10 <Wolf01> support about this issue and how to resolve it." 12:24:12 <Wolf01> ahahahahaha 12:27:08 *** michi_cc [michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 12:27:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 12:30:54 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has joined #openttd 12:45:08 *** Sacro [~ben@87.102.12.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:46:05 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:48e9:1e3f:a5d8:8f7a] has joined #openttd 12:46:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:52:46 <Belugas> hello 12:53:28 <dihedral> hello Sir Belugas 12:53:42 <Rubidium> morning Belugas 12:56:58 <Belugas> hihi :) 12:58:49 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.73.132] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 13:00:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: if you really threaten to lawyer up, you could get a price repayment on the game ;) 13:00:50 <Wolf01> hello Belugas 13:01:48 <Wolf01> eh, I don't have enough money to repair my new car after a crash, do you think I can find enough money to pay a lawyer? 13:03:15 <dihedral> ... 13:03:17 <Rubidium> do you need a lawyer to say you're going to get a lawyer? 13:04:11 <Wolf01> uh.. 13:04:17 <dihedral> if expressed as a threat - 'either ... or i get a lawyer'... that does not go down very well 13:04:50 <Wolf01> and if they want to go on? 13:05:31 <Rubidium> don't you have some government sponsored legal service for people without any money? 13:05:33 <Wolf01> or, if they "lol" at me and I can't go on? 13:05:53 <Wolf01> eh, that's the problem, I have some money :D 13:06:19 <dihedral> Rubidium, only if you really need one ^^ 13:09:46 *** Sacro [~Sacro@87.102.12.231] has joined #openttd 13:11:48 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8D2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:20:55 * peter1138 hmms at webcams 13:21:05 <peter1138> "cheese" works, but effectv and camstream don't :s 13:30:06 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.73.132] has joined #openttd 13:30:08 <SpComb> cheees 13:31:18 *** redd [~unknown@host217-44-141-112.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:32:08 <redd> hey all. is there an easy way to close a busy airport for upgrading? 13:33:49 <dihedral> delete in the right second, rebuild in time 13:34:18 <KingJ> Not that i'm aware of, I just hover with my finger on the pause button, as soon as a plane tries to land, pause, skip orders, resume until there are no planes landed 13:34:23 <Rubidium> not really, besides ordering the aircraft to another airport 13:34:36 <redd> it's seriously busy though, like the holding pattern is chocablock 13:34:41 <redd> damn 13:35:03 <redd> ok thx 13:37:14 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 13:38:04 <SpComb> replace the planes with trains 13:38:20 <redd> :P 13:38:22 <KingJ> or that 13:38:47 <redd> float some signals up above airport to prevent arrivals 13:39:05 <SpComb> build a bouy and send the planes there 13:41:19 <andythenorth> replace the planes with ships :P 13:41:19 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:33 <andythenorth> ships have effectively infinite capacity :P 13:41:42 <andythenorth> (up to the ~1m vehicle limit) 13:43:44 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:44:12 <redd> not a bad idea, except half of a docks catchment area is over water (unless you're somehow allowed to dig a canal into the city by the council) 13:44:59 <andythenorth> distant join stations :P 13:45:04 <andythenorth> canal to the airport 13:45:22 * andythenorth will be proffering hydrofoils some time in 2011 13:45:31 <andythenorth> and also some *very* large ferries :P 13:52:07 *** rienholt [97cc1b18@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:55:02 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:45 <rienholt> Howdy. Don't know if anyone is around but I had a quick question. Does anyone know if it is possible to compile OpenTTD or to get a an updated version of libc6 for Ubuntu 8.04? I think I am out of luck but I wanted to double check. 13:56:06 <Progman> you can compile openttd always by yourself 13:56:21 <Progman> download the source code, run ./configure, run "make" and then play ;) 13:57:00 <Rubidium> rienholt: http://wiki.openttd.org/Compiling_on_Linux#Debian_and_Ubuntu 13:57:53 <Rubidium> and further down that page there's a description on how to get the sources and how to compile/run OpenTTD 13:58:28 <Rubidium> if you fancy a .deb to install: the bottom of the page describes how to do that 13:58:46 <rienholt> Compiling after using the --enable-dedicated flag yields "openttd: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.11' not found (required by openttd)" 13:59:19 <Rubidium> that's odd, because OpenTTD doesn't require such a recent libc 13:59:30 <Rubidium> did you compile on Ubuntu 8.04? 13:59:41 <rienholt> Yes. 14:00:12 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 14:00:12 *** George is now known as Guest539 14:00:12 *** George|2 is now known as George 14:00:30 <Rubidium> you haven't installed any PPAs or stuff from newer versions? 14:00:43 <Rubidium> custom compilers or something like that? 14:01:08 <rienholt> Negative. haven't stuck anything in since I use this server for some important things. 14:01:41 <rienholt> openttd: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.11) but 2.7-10ubuntu6 is to be installed Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0) but 2.5.0-2ubuntu3 is to be installed 14:02:07 <Rubidium> hmm, so you've installed OpenTTD from somewhere 14:02:18 <Rubidium> I suggest uninstalling that version first 14:03:22 <rienholt> Yes it is. That error was from earlier stating the dependencies. I removed that (because I wasn't paying attention and nabbed the Lucid .deb) before atempting the compile. 14:03:51 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:03:51 <rienholt> However I seem to still be missing those dependencies for my compile 14:03:53 <Rubidium> it "just" depends on 2.11 because it was compiled against that version 14:04:21 <Rubidium> rienholt: what happens when you give the path to the OpenTTD binary you just built? 14:04:49 <Rubidium> because I fear typing "openttd" will get that failed-to-install openttd that requires libc >= 2.11 14:05:46 <rienholt> 1 second remaking 14:06:02 <Rubidium> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libicu38 (>= 3.8-5), liblzo2-2, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4), libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) 14:06:15 <Rubidium> that are the depends of 1.0.3 compiled for Debian Lenny 14:06:34 <Rubidium> so it definitely works with libc 2.7 as well 14:06:46 *** Guest539 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:09:16 *** redd [~unknown@host217-44-141-112.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:29 *** redd [~unknown@host217-44-141-112.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:16:15 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.6.241] has joined #openttd 14:26:52 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has joined #openttd 14:49:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.149.12] has joined #openttd 14:49:15 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:09 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 14:52:56 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 14:54:05 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has joined #openttd 14:55:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.164.46] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:57 <VVG> hello 15:03:22 <avdg> hey 15:11:07 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 15:15:56 *** Darkomen [4dc2a7fb@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:19:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7ad3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:22:01 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:23:00 *** rienholt [97cc1b18@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:30:50 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 15:36:46 *** Yexo [~Yexo@77-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 15:42:29 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-2-26-106.phlapa.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A1E0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:48:38 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.202] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:38 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8D2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:00 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:16 *** Yexo [~Yexo@77-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56:32 *** Yexo [~Yexo@77-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 15:56:34 <planetmaker> hm... parameter settings miss one button: 'remove all parameters'. Or 'reset all parameters to default'. However it may be called. 15:58:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:58:03 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 16:05:27 <VVG> planetmaker: fs 4005 :) 16:07:42 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 16:08:01 <planetmaker> :-) 16:09:26 <roboboy> hm gnight even though its 2:15 AM 16:09:53 <planetmaker> then good morning ;-) 16:10:39 <VVG> i'd consider that as still being a night 16:12:19 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.73.132] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:41 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.73.132] has joined #openttd 16:13:41 <Ammler> until 9 o'clock 16:14:13 <VVG> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4063 , might this be a reason there were some desyncs in coop game PSG189? 16:15:47 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.6.241] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:52 <frosch123> unlikely, i am not aware of any newgrf using that variable 16:16:05 <planetmaker> VVG: I think frosch123 checked that back then :-) 16:16:15 <planetmaker> It was just the trigger to become aware of it 16:16:23 <Ammler> hmm, planetmaker you have experience with houses 16:16:31 <planetmaker> some. or little :-) 16:16:33 <Ammler> you could code stolenhouses 16:16:38 <planetmaker> haha :-) 16:16:39 <frosch123> Ammler: he lives in one 16:16:46 <planetmaker> :-D 16:16:53 <planetmaker> I even own 1/8 ;-) 16:17:04 <Ammler> the kitchen? 16:17:15 <planetmaker> undefined... :-) 16:17:16 <frosch123> not a bad choice 16:17:26 <planetmaker> But definitely mine, if I'd have to chose, yes 16:17:46 <planetmaker> a big kitchen was one of the main criteria for the flat I live in :-) 16:18:10 <Ammler> well, we were able to sit in until the almost morning :-) 16:18:53 <planetmaker> :-) Something not uncommen in it :-) 16:20:18 * Rubidium wonders whether someone ever reported those desyncs in PSG189 16:22:20 <planetmaker> I think you even fixed it yourself 16:22:39 <planetmaker> and yes, there was a report you closed in response. Found it yesterday, forgot the number 16:22:40 <Rubidium> I guess not, as I can't find a desync fix since r20146 16:22:43 <planetmaker> was about railtypes 16:23:12 <planetmaker> we updated during the game. So it was a bit earlier rev probably 16:23:26 <Rubidium> PSG188 used 20146 as well 16:23:30 <planetmaker> hm 16:24:16 <Rubidium> although gamelog lists 20214 as well 16:24:59 <planetmaker> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/1dfd96eec6eb <-- I think it was that... 16:25:24 <planetmaker> but i might be wrong 16:25:27 <VVG> hm 16:25:33 <Rubidium> unlikely, since the game started at 20146 16:25:53 <planetmaker> hm 16:26:14 <VVG> i see hg vcs. Does that mean i could use it directrly instead of hgsubversion to clone svn.openttd.org using toirtoiseHG? 16:26:17 <Rubidium> if PSG188 is meant, then that might be somewhat more believable 16:26:18 *** Darkomen [4dc2a7fb@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:26:53 <planetmaker> VVG: of course 16:27:03 <VVG> such a fail on my side :( 16:27:08 <planetmaker> :-) 16:27:25 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has joined #openttd 16:27:47 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has joined #openttd 16:28:02 <frosch123> \o/ for "WITH!!!!!" in topic title 16:28:03 <planetmaker> I don't know anymore which rev we had the desyncs 16:31:24 <planetmaker> or which game 16:32:00 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32:32 <planetmaker> it was #188 16:33:15 <planetmaker> and I know that we talked quite lengthily about those desyncs 16:36:07 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has joined #openttd 16:47:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@178.34.73.132] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:42 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:50:25 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8D2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:58:25 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@banning.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:05:37 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:15:12 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 17:15:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:08 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8D2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:12 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:20:21 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:22:16 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:25:44 *** Chrill [~Chrill@wsip-70-183-110-228.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:55 *** DarkNemesis [~sara@cpc1-sgyl30-2-0-cust231.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:44:26 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:32 *** akfaew [dude@server1.bshellz.net] has left #openttd [] 17:44:48 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@banning.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20597 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 4 changes by habell 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: esperanto - 10 changes by Christopher 17:45:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 17:45:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 17:45:55 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: icelandic - 54 changes by grjonib 17:46:33 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 17:57:52 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:08 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:05:35 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-71-208.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:55 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-98-91.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:07:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:09:52 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:55 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:09:55 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest563 18:09:56 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 18:10:16 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 18:14:44 *** Guest563 [~wolf01@host176-238-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:19:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20598 /trunk/ (11 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: [Win32] Replace the external x64 asm with a built-in Windows function. 18:20:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r20599 /trunk/src/os/windows/crashlog_win.cpp: -Add: [Win32] Append a decoded stack trace to the debug.log. Most of the time, the result will only be useful if the corresponding PDB file is present. 18:22:28 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-88-117.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:24:11 *** WizzleBLincoln [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:22 *** WizzleBLincoln [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 18:24:56 *** Wizzleby is now known as Guest566 18:25:15 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:24 *** Guest566 [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:08 *** Yexo [~Yexo@77-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:28 *** Tennel [~Tennel@port-ip-213-211-212-60.reverse.mdcc-fun.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:37:51 * Belugas yawns 18:38:16 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:38:42 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:42 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8D2E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:53:39 * andythenorth learns about crocodiles 18:53:49 <trebuchet> tell me about them 18:53:52 <trebuchet> did you learn from wikipedia 18:55:01 <andythenorth> yup 18:55:07 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile_(locomotive) 18:59:43 <glx> oh I know them 19:02:04 <frosch123> Video Game Appearances <- those sections are always weird 19:04:57 <Ammler> http://pastebin.com/Ezz5AWj9 <-- is that already helpful with gdb or does it need more? 19:05:43 <glx> bt maybe 19:05:53 <Ammler> bt: http://pastebin.com/LXi6SFKf 19:06:06 *** Yexo [~Yexo@77-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:06:13 *** jpx_ [~jpx_@a91-156-253-85.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 19:09:16 <planetmaker> ha, hi glx :-) 19:09:32 <planetmaker> I'd like to talk you into doing two French translations :-) 19:15:22 *** [hta]specx [~opera@ip94-126-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:17:13 <Ammler> Rubidium: possible that the new "missing sprite error" can cause a seg fault? 19:18:44 * andythenorth puts newgrf projects on hold until certain Lego questions have answers :P 19:37:11 *** devilsadvocate [~devilsadv@202.3.77.41] has joined #openttd 19:39:19 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@209.80-203-100.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 19:39:43 <avdg> :/ everybody likes my flipflop 19:41:17 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:42:02 * andythenorth ponders how to build a swiss re 4/4 in lego 19:42:07 <andythenorth> windows are a problem :( 19:42:52 <frosch123> start with green 19:43:14 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 19:44:15 <andythenorth> re 4/4 460 looks more lego-friendly 19:46:52 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-104-238.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:49:20 <Bluelight> What was the port numbers? 19:49:59 <DorpsGek> try @ports 19:51:10 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.112.102] has joined #openttd 19:51:39 <Bluelight> @ports 19:51:39 <DorpsGek> Bluelight: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 19:57:34 <VVG> ports 19:57:48 <VVG> port numbers 19:58:05 <VVG> what port numbers 19:58:15 <VVG> port numbers? 19:58:24 <planetmaker> the ids where ships dock, you know ;-) 19:58:28 <VVG> what port numbers? 19:58:37 <planetmaker> ps.openttdcoop.org:3979 19:58:40 <planetmaker> for example 19:58:46 <VVG> err 19:59:09 <VVG> just checking, how smart is dorpsgek deciding when to suggest trying @ports 19:59:13 <planetmaker> consider those ports a communication channel 19:59:18 <planetmaker> your computer can have 64k 19:59:37 <planetmaker> openttd chooses those two to communicate with other OpenTTD clients and servers and the content download 19:59:42 <planetmaker> and master server 19:59:46 <VVG> i know that part 19:59:52 <planetmaker> it's always the same ports 19:59:53 <VVG> i'm not asking here what are ports :) 20:00:00 <planetmaker> sounded like. sorry 20:00:11 <VVG> [23:49:23] <Bluelight> What was the port numbers? 20:00:11 <VVG> [23:50:01] <@DorpsGek> try @ports 20:00:17 <VVG> [23:59:11] <VVG> just checking, how smart is dorpsgek deciding when to suggest trying @ports 20:00:19 <VVG> there :) 20:00:26 <planetmaker> haha :-) 20:00:34 <Prof_Frink> @starboards 20:00:59 <VVG> what are port numbers? 20:01:00 <planetmaker> damn. 20:01:08 <DorpsGek> VVG: try harder 20:01:38 <VVG> DorpsGek: you are making me look stupid :( 20:01:52 <Prof_Frink> :o Dorpy has become self-aware 20:02:24 <Bluelight> 3978-3979 20:02:36 <Bluelight> Where is the config files saved? 20:02:47 <VVG> mydocs/openttd 20:02:51 <Terkhen> depends on your os 20:03:01 <VVG> or correspoding data folder on ohter OSes 20:04:42 *** slimerski [4d146b8e@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:04:45 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@95-27-104-238.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:04:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-104-238.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:56 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 20:05:33 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:41 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:05:52 *** Devroush|2 [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:06:17 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 20:09:03 *** Chrill [~Chrill@wsip-70-183-110-228.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 20:09:10 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@209.80-203-100.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716]] 20:14:41 *** slimerski [4d146b8e@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:15:21 *** Chillosophy [~fu@82-170-139-109.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [] 20:25:21 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:26:00 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:27:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7ad3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:35 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 20:40:10 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:56 <Rubidium> Ammler: it didn't for me 20:42:30 <Ammler> I try to reproduce, maybe the issue with some symlinks I have 20:43:04 <Ammler> compiling with --without-personal-dir and removing the symlinks worked 20:45:54 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:50:51 <glx> planetmaker: just checked my mails ;) 20:52:19 <planetmaker> :-) Nice. Which address did you sent them to? ottd@ ...? 20:52:27 <planetmaker> or planetmaker@openttdcoop? 20:52:53 <glx> my not yours :) 20:53:07 <glx> so I just noticed the PM 20:53:17 <planetmaker> oh... missread what you wrote :-) 20:53:25 <planetmaker> :-) 20:53:44 <planetmaker> best way is to add them to the respective threads IMHO. 20:55:18 <planetmaker> glx: If you'd like to translate TTRS, too, it'd be nice. I didn't mention it in the mail, I think 20:55:52 <glx> translating snow line for now 20:55:58 <planetmaker> :-) 20:56:11 <planetmaker> Might well be the last translation which makes it into the release :-) 20:56:27 <planetmaker> Though I'll wait till the weekend, I think 20:57:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "The German classes E 93 and E 94, also used by the ÃBB as series 1020, are sometimes called 'German crocodiles'. They are sometimes nicknamed "Alligators", instead, because of their broader, shorter snouts." <-- [citation needed]? i never heard that term... 21:02:40 <glx> planetmaker: snow line done 21:02:51 <planetmaker> :-) thanks 21:06:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i only know that the E94 [later renamed BR 254] was called "Eisenschwein" [iron pig] in eastern germany 21:06:50 <Eddi|zuHause> but "Alligator" i never heard... 21:07:30 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:14:23 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc17af.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:18 <Belugas> i like that vorob character 21:16:31 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:42 <Belugas> i like him because he is making it easy to hate him big time 21:18:29 <Rubidium> Belugas: you shouldn't hate people on the forum or IRC 21:19:18 * planetmaker hugs Belugas 21:19:47 <planetmaker> smooth and quiet, be a nice Belugas :-) 21:21:28 <Belugas> ho.. i never said that I do hate him 21:21:34 <planetmaker> :-D 21:21:40 <Belugas> i just said that he makes it easy to be hated 21:21:53 <Belugas> like... demanding, not even polite, rude, blablabla 21:21:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20600 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#4075]: "downscale" a full load order to a load if possible order when removing the order while the vehicle is loading. This to prevent the vehicle from (possibly) staying forever in the station 21:22:22 <Belugas> i just had some very good news today, so i'm in a very good mood :) 21:25:00 <planetmaker> :-) That sounds goooood :-) 21:33:21 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [] 21:34:41 <TomyLobo> Eddi|zuHause krokodil, not alligator 21:35:11 <Eddi|zuHause> TomyLobo: it's a quote from wikipedia 21:35:52 <TomyLobo> from the discussion page? :) 21:36:51 <Eddi|zuHause> TomyLobo: from this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile_(locomotive) 21:38:09 *** lewymati [~lewymati@89.230.159.206] has quit [] 21:38:37 <TomyLobo> well it's austria 21:39:20 <Eddi|zuHause> what? 21:39:58 <TomyLobo> ÃBB 21:40:41 <Eddi|zuHause> really... what?? 21:41:02 <Eddi|zuHause> could you please answer in whole sentences? 21:41:15 <TomyLobo> <Eddi|zuHause> "The German classes E 93 and E 94, also used by the ÃBB as series 1020, are sometimes called 'German crocodiles'. They are sometimes nicknamed "Alligators", instead, because of their broader, shorter snouts." <-- [citation needed]? i never heard that term... 21:41:26 <TomyLobo> ÃBB. about the 10th word 21:41:41 <TomyLobo> ÃBB is the austrian railway company 21:41:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i know that 21:41:56 <Eddi|zuHause> but what relevance does this have? 21:42:24 <TomyLobo> they might be nicknamed "Alligator" in austria 21:42:25 <Belugas> and here i go@ 21:42:52 <TomyLobo> do you want me to go on stating the obvious? 21:43:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. please. 21:43:05 <planetmaker> Krokodil is a known name for the engine andy shows 21:43:13 <Eddi|zuHause> because you're making hardly any sense 21:43:14 <TomyLobo> austria has a certain dialect 21:43:25 <TomyLobo> different from high german 21:43:51 <TomyLobo> they're using strange terminology sometimes, like "Palatschinken" 21:43:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but your assumption is purely speculative. 21:44:03 <TomyLobo> of course 21:44:16 <Rubidium> nightynight Belugas 21:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> thus, it does not add anything of relevance to the discussion... 21:45:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i asked for a citation... 21:45:24 <Eddi|zuHause> and all you told me was that you haven't heard the term either... 21:45:37 <TomyLobo> well the whole article needs an overhaul 21:45:41 <TomyLobo> nothing is cited there 21:46:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's a pretty bad article 21:47:09 <TomyLobo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile_%28locomotive%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile#Locomotion 21:47:13 <TomyLobo> don't mix those up! 21:47:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20601 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_config.cpp newgrf_config.h newgrf_gui.cpp): -Feature: [NewGRF] Add 'DEFA' field to set parameter defaults with action 14 21:48:32 <Eddi|zuHause> DEFA was the east german film association 21:48:40 <planetmaker> :-) 21:49:01 <Eddi|zuHause> located mainly in Babelsberg (near Potsdam) 21:49:04 <Rubidium> oh, that'll be the thing I learnt today then :) 21:49:22 <planetmaker> "Spur der Steine" :-) 21:49:52 <TomyLobo> scene 14...action! 21:50:43 <Eddi|zuHause> before the german division it was called "UFA" 21:54:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20602 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Change (r20601): use DFLT instead of DEFA as name for the default field 22:00:58 <Eddi|zuHause> haha ;) 22:02:01 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbc17af.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20603 /trunk/ (config.lib src/misc/dbg_helpers.h src/order_backup.h): -Codechange: silence some ICC warnings 22:04:07 *** Progman [~progman@87.161.161.224] has joined #openttd 22:05:16 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:16 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Quit: Good bye] 22:05:47 *** ajmiles [~aj@78.86.188.187] has joined #openttd 22:12:32 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:12:40 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-216-203.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:21 *** redd [~unknown@host217-44-141-112.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 22:17:37 <avdg> hmm, I'm now using the latest opengfx content (not from the online content) and its still complaining I'm not using the latest version of it 22:17:55 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:28 <Rubidium> you're using the latest OpenGFX nightly? 22:18:33 <avdg> yeah 22:18:43 <Rubidium> odd 22:19:19 <avdg> I know its hard to find for the content download tracker to know its version 22:19:26 <Rubidium> as it doesn't do that for me 22:19:30 <avdg> maybe its better if there is a warning 22:19:53 <avdg> hmm 22:19:56 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:31 <avdg> strange 22:20:32 *** Muxy [~Muxy@81.56.185.201] has joined #openttd 22:20:43 <Rubidium> didn't check with the latest version (had r501), but r502 doesn't warn either 22:20:47 <avdg> I open content download and can click on select upgrade 22:21:01 <avdg> it selects only opengfx, download done 22:21:15 <avdg> close and open that window and I can download it again 22:21:21 <Terkhen> good night 22:21:24 <avdg> gn 22:21:38 *** Goulp [~Goulp@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:47 <planetmaker> avdg: that's not the OpenGFX nightly you need 22:21:55 <avdg> hmm 22:22:00 <planetmaker> they are not available from online content 22:22:07 <avdg> yes indeed 22:22:12 <Rubidium> avdg: yeah... OpenTTD "only" finds the newest OpenGFX when starting and as the nightly is not the same as the one on bananas it thinks you don't have it 22:22:14 <planetmaker> and the release of the next version is scheduled not yet 22:22:42 <avdg> but it can detect its a modified version of it right? 22:22:56 <planetmaker> base sets have version information 22:23:25 <Rubidium> avdg: it notices you don't have the same version and the version in bananas is considered to be the newest version 22:23:26 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a64c8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:51 <planetmaker> correction: release is scheduled but not imminent ;-) 22:24:03 *** elho [elho@psycho.elho.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:10 <avdg> hm.. how to get the version of opengfx? 22:24:24 <planetmaker> bundles.openttdcoop.org/opengfx 22:24:26 <Rubidium> open the game options window 22:24:30 <elho> hi 22:24:31 <planetmaker> :x 22:24:37 <Rubidium> at the end of the description you'll have the version 22:24:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74BC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:24:55 <planetmaker> hi elho 22:24:56 <avdg> -r502 22:24:58 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74BC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:25:03 <planetmaker> that's new enough 22:25:31 <avdg> hmm and no1 can reproduce that error? 22:25:42 <Rubidium> I can, but only with old OpenGFXes 22:25:50 <planetmaker> ^ 22:26:14 <Rubidium> avdg: any patches you might not have mentioned to us? 22:26:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20604 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): -Feature: add a reset button to the newgrf parameters window 22:26:26 <avdg> only that mac fix 22:26:48 <avdg> I can rebuild if you want it 22:26:51 <planetmaker> 'that'? 22:27:10 <avdg> bug 4070 and 4066 22:27:43 *** Sacro [~Sacro@87.102.12.231] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:44 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:50 * avdg recompiles to be sure 22:28:08 *** keoz [~keikoz@pha75-8-82-230-2-115.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 22:28:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20605 /trunk/src/ (livery.h newgrf_engine.cpp vehicle.cpp vehicle_func.h): -Fix [FS#4063]: let NewGRFs var43 var (information about liveries) for vehicles not be influenced by the local setting determining whether to show liveries or not. 22:29:34 <avdg> pm witch version are you using? 22:30:09 <planetmaker> OpenGFX r502M :-P and OpenTTD r20602 22:30:11 <Rubidium> witches have nothing to do with OpenTTD :) 22:30:14 <avdg> :) 22:30:26 <Rubidium> planetmaker: heh, we're using the same OpenGFX! :) 22:30:28 <avdg> nvm then 22:30:33 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 22:30:49 <elho> i have this monorail circle with CL 3 (and 3.5) and it is doing the expected 275 km/h most of the time. but sometimes it slows down like here: here: http://stranger.elho.net/curvespeedlimit_glitch.png 22:31:57 <planetmaker> I see only a huge empty screen and two train windows 22:32:53 <elho> 249 km/h is the lowest i see, but with the steps being 226 and 252, it seems to try and slow down to 226 km/h which would correspond to 4 vehicles between 2 turns, which is too far off to be a corner case. :o 22:33:25 <elho> planetmaker: train 87 is the one you see in the center 22:33:43 <Rubidium> that seems to behave like mentioned in the game mechanics page 22:33:54 <Rubidium> When making two or more 45° turns in the same direction, the max speed is limited as follows: [big table] 22:34:00 <planetmaker> basically I mean: provide a savegame, if you wonder about train behaviour ;-) 22:34:10 <Rubidium> but under monorail it lists 226 and 252 22:34:19 <planetmaker> :-) 22:34:22 <Rubidium> which means you're hitting those limits 22:34:28 <planetmaker> oh, listen to Rubidium :-) 22:34:58 <Rubidium> the limits differ per railtype, so monorail can corner faster than normal trains and maglevs can corner faster than monorail 22:34:58 <planetmaker> forget the savegame 22:35:51 <elho> no, i am not following the simplified table, but the game source 22:36:25 <planetmaker> maybe the comment there is wrong? 22:36:34 <elho> initial calculation is the same for all railtypes, in the end it is just speep + speed/2 for monorail 22:37:35 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:48e9:1e3f:a5d8:8f7a] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:46 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:48e9:1e3f:a5d8:8f7a] has joined #openttd 22:37:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 22:39:56 <elho> and the initial calculation is based on how many vehicles go are between the first and last turn. that number is divided by turns-1 and used as x in that (232-(13-x)^2 formula. that converted to km/h gives the displayed speed 22:41:28 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:41:56 <elho> but the whole point here is, that it goes at 275km/h most of the time, which is exactly what above calculation gives, but in some cases slows down, but on different turns. so that same point it goes 249 km/h it would go 275km/h the next round 22:42:06 <elho> _that_ is the weird part 22:44:18 <planetmaker> sounds weired 22:44:20 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: yexo * r20606 /trunk/src/ai/ai_scanner.cpp: -Change [FS#4042]: change the debug level of the "Registering two AIs/libraries with the same name and version" message from 0 to 1 22:44:23 <avdg> rubidium: could it be a failed attemp? 22:45:05 <Rubidium> avdg: failed attempt of what? 22:45:31 <avdg> donno, version mismatch/ download&install or anything related 22:45:42 *** Devroush|2 [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:45:49 <planetmaker> got a savegame, elho ? 22:46:00 <Rubidium> avdg: OpenTTD should always use the latest OpenGFX it finds 22:46:25 <Rubidium> and if you really got OpenGFX r502, then it should be fine 22:46:31 <Rubidium> otherwise I have absolutely no clue 22:47:07 <elho> http://stranger.elho.net/curvespeedlimit_fine.png here it is doing the next round at full speed :o 22:47:22 <elho> planetmaker: i'll do one... 22:49:57 *** Progman [~progman@87.161.161.224] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:55 <planetmaker> elho: as you post screenshots, you should do have a savegame... 22:54:27 <Rubidium> planetmaker: looks like one of those 10 MiB savegames 22:54:35 <planetmaker> o_O 22:54:43 <planetmaker> those of course are the best to test... 22:55:18 <elho> planetmaker: http://stranger.elho.net/curvespeedlimit.sav 22:55:19 <avdg> ok, I've removed the nightly and now it matches fine, strange 22:56:27 <elho> planetmaker: i did a fresh one in a newly started game, so it is a) smaller and b) not my old savegame just broken or sth. 22:57:29 <Rubidium> it does seem to slow down reliably before each corner 22:57:43 <Rubidium> well, each second corner 22:59:10 <planetmaker> for me, too 22:59:11 <Ammler> avdg: but now you get the red message box 22:59:16 <avdg> indeed 22:59:44 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:56 * avdg thinks he does something stopid, but can't find any clue 22:59:59 <Ammler> so either have that or the "wrong" msg from content gui 23:00:12 <elho> here i count up to 6 corners without slowdown. or 3-4 corners after reaching 275 km/h before it slows down again 23:00:13 <Ammler> no, you don't 23:00:29 <planetmaker> 3 :-) 23:00:39 <Rubidium> elho: what version are you using? 23:00:44 <elho> maybe something fixed after 1.0.1 23:00:52 <elho> Rubidium: ^ :) 23:01:00 <planetmaker> rather 4 23:01:07 <avdg> yep, unpack and same problem 23:01:37 <avdg> does the location really matters, openttd can find it so I guess there is no problem 23:02:06 <Ammler> my openttd crashes, if I try to load ogfx nightly 23:02:09 <Rubidium> avdg: in the Game Options window it shows "OpenGFX blablalba r502"? 23:02:15 <planetmaker> elho: it slows down always when it's on a / or \ track (the ones parallel to the grid) 23:02:33 <planetmaker> when it reaches the 2nd corner of that 23:02:46 <planetmaker> and it accelerates when it leaves the 1st 23:03:01 <avdg> OpenGFX nightly-r502 23:03:14 <Ammler> the ottd crashes because my ogfx-nightly is compiled with the broken pcx :-) 23:03:25 <planetmaker> eh? 23:03:28 <Ammler> shall I report that? 23:03:37 <planetmaker> how can it be compiled with broken pcx? 23:03:40 <Ammler> planetmaker: one of the grfs is missing 23:03:50 <planetmaker> grfs? 23:03:56 <planetmaker> of the 6? 23:03:58 <planetmaker> How so? 23:04:13 <planetmaker> didn't make terminate? 23:04:17 <Ammler> no 23:04:27 <Ammler> cat failed that 23:04:32 <Rubidium> planetmaker: remember the cat thing I talked about? 23:04:43 <elho> planetmaker: does it slow to 249 for you, too? 23:05:29 <Ammler> omg, that was really strange 23:06:08 <planetmaker> elho: nope. 262 23:06:33 <planetmaker> when the head hits the 2nd corner of the 3-tile straight track pieces 23:07:29 <planetmaker> accelerates continuously to 275 up to when it's about to leave the 1st corner of that 3-tile straight track piece with its rear engine 23:07:40 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@95-27-104-238.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 23:07:40 <elho> makes more sense, as that is >=252 (the next step below 275) 23:07:42 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-104-238.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:07:50 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 23:07:56 <avdg> Well, I'll report it 23:08:03 <avdg> I have no clue what to do now 23:08:14 <planetmaker> and then up to 291 when it's about to hit the 2nd corner of the next short track piece 23:08:33 <planetmaker> try with a nightly first 23:08:41 <planetmaker> or the 1.0.3 23:09:22 <Rubidium> avdg: me neither, and reporting something that we can't reproduce won't help much 23:09:36 <avdg> hmm 23:09:41 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:b868:8455::1337] has quit [Quit: Vadtec was here...] 23:09:42 <elho> uh, 291. never goes faster than 275 here. faster trains, now if that isn't a reason to upgrade... ;D 23:09:44 <Rubidium> as "not able to reproduce" == "not able to fix" 23:09:50 <avdg> I know 23:10:32 <avdg> but should I submit it or not then? 23:10:59 <Ammler> avdg: openttd works, the problem you have is only that if you check content service, it tells you that opengfx isn't downloaded, right? 23:11:13 <avdg> yeah 23:11:33 <planetmaker> oh, not the missing sprite thing? 23:11:37 <Rubidium> oh, so this isn't the warning about missing sprites anymore? 23:11:40 <Ammler> so that is because opengfx nightly is newer as newest bananas, that is all 23:11:45 <planetmaker> I thought you were talking about missing sprites all the time... 23:11:55 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:b868:8455::1337] has joined #openttd 23:12:39 <avdg> but openttd has still downloaded something what already isn installed 23:12:48 <avdg> *is 23:12:50 <Ammler> it is :-) 23:12:59 <planetmaker> yes 23:13:08 <planetmaker> Just don't download it (again and again) 23:13:13 <planetmaker> ;-) 23:13:16 <Ammler> openttd just thinks, because your newest version doesn't match banans newest, it should download again 23:13:29 <avdg> how does it compare then 23:13:33 <planetmaker> (which is rather a bananas bug) 23:13:37 <planetmaker> or something 23:13:52 <Ammler> in this case it is our ;-) 23:13:59 <Rubidium> avdg: version + md5 on bananas == version + md5 locally, no: then you don't have it 23:14:12 <Rubidium> which somewhat backfires if you use nightlies 23:14:17 <planetmaker> hm 23:14:20 <avdg> and it only checks with the loaded ones 23:14:37 <avdg> right? 23:14:39 <planetmaker> Rubidium: but what does it do with newgrf and savegames: there it checks all versions 23:14:43 <Ammler> yes, and it loads only the newest 23:15:20 <Rubidium> planetmaker: for opengfx/openmsx/opensfx it doesn't 23:15:34 <planetmaker> hm, ok 23:15:54 <planetmaker> I guess it would have to keep a list otherwise 23:15:56 <avdg> I still consider it as a bug, openttd shouldn't redownload content 23:16:02 <planetmaker> or re-scan the whole dirs 23:16:30 <planetmaker> though I'd prefer to have something resident. Re-scans are somewhat lengthy at times 23:16:45 <elho> planetmaker: still, with the straight 3 tiles fitting 6 vehicles. it should not go less than 275 there either, so there must be a glitch where the game for a moment sees only 5 vehicles between that 2 corners 23:16:47 <Rubidium> planetmaker: DV is working on that 23:16:48 <avdg> I don't want to check between 100 files what is banana's whats not 23:16:56 <Ammler> avdg: if you are used to nightlies, you are aware of it :-) 23:17:06 <avdg> but still 23:17:31 <Rubidium> so... you want a "feature" that tells you: you have a newer version of a base set than the one on bananas. You can't download it 23:17:32 <avdg> remembering is too much ;-) 23:17:32 <planetmaker> DV? 23:17:40 <Rubidium> planetmaker: Darkvater 23:17:45 <planetmaker> :-O 23:17:51 <Rubidium> last time he was here he said he would write it 23:17:52 <planetmaker> so my guess wasn't wrong 23:18:11 <planetmaker> hm... last time... that's looong ago unless I missed it 23:19:28 <Ammler> uploading a nightly for the nightlies would solve it :-P 23:19:49 <elho> heh, when i add another vehlicle (13 instead of 12) the train just goes fine at a constant 273km/h :o 23:20:59 <planetmaker> hm. 123 players playing 1.0.3 online :-) 23:21:56 <avdg> there are more servers then players :p 23:22:06 <planetmaker> not 1.0.3, I think 23:22:15 <avdg> hmm yeah 23:22:47 <PeterT> I have 5 players in total on my 4 servers 23:22:50 <avdg> donno howmany players are playing at the bussiest moment 23:22:57 <PeterT> Luukland steals all the clients :P 23:23:07 <avdg> luukland cheats :p 23:23:40 <PeterT> yes he does 23:24:58 * avdg thinks it will be more correct must it be listed by players online, filtered by version 23:25:09 <PeterT> yes 23:26:05 <planetmaker> well, Luukland doesn't steal our players :-) 23:26:15 <avdg> :p wrong version 23:26:44 <avdg> but our players are more technical skilled (right?) 23:26:55 <planetmaker> though it'd be nice, if those goal server guys would actually openly develop their patches 23:27:17 <avdg> then force them to do it 23:27:18 <avdg> :p 23:27:24 <planetmaker> one can't 23:27:33 <planetmaker> and yes, our players are more skilled 23:27:42 <avdg> its actually hard I think 23:27:50 <avdg> its again managing patches 23:27:54 *** ajmiles [~aj@78.86.188.187] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:28:05 <planetmaker> I tested. We won two games in a row when we joined them :-) 23:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> YOU are cheating ;) 23:28:35 <planetmaker> hm? 23:28:59 <Rubidium> I would start by modifying my binary to send bogus error messages attached to the commands. If their code is like the stuff on the forum I'll get around all limitations :) 23:29:18 <planetmaker> :-) 23:29:40 <Rubidium> ouch... bananas doesn't store/use the version from the ob[sgm] files, so can't query that 23:29:48 <planetmaker> hmmm 'bogus error messages attached to commands'? 23:30:05 <Rubidium> so to "fix" the multiple downloading issue I'd have to keep information about all base sets, even the ones we're not going to use, in memory 23:30:49 <planetmaker> Rubidium: can't you just store the current version? 23:30:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:31:00 <planetmaker> and do a if bananas < current? 23:31:03 <avdg> what about file checking? 23:31:15 <avdg> or is that "too expensive" 23:31:45 <Eddi|zuHause> file checking is done by md5sum, it can't tell you which one is newer 23:31:45 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:09 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 23:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. please do blitzquit on me! :) 23:32:31 <Eddi|zuHause> avdg: file checking is done by md5sum, it can't tell you which one is newer 23:32:56 <avdg> so it has to calculate all stuff again :( 23:32:57 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:03 *** avdg [~Adium@78-21-57-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 23:33:15 <avdg> hmm 23:33:31 <avdg> fmauNeko's server gives me a lot irc disconnects :p 23:33:54 * avdg closed openttd 23:34:14 <Rubidium> planetmaker: bananas does not store the version, so I can't compare the bananas version 23:34:25 <Rubidium> unless I go into string comparision, which is definitely going to fail 23:34:37 <planetmaker> Rubidium: can't that be changed / added there with not too much effort? 23:35:27 <planetmaker> only for future uploads would suffice IMHO 23:35:29 <avdg> you've still got filesize, but I guess everybody will hate it :p 23:35:53 <planetmaker> that is no version indicator 23:35:57 <Eddi|zuHause> avdg: what sense would that make? 23:35:58 <avdg> indeed 23:36:04 <planetmaker> nor os independent 23:36:21 <avdg> donno, just random minds 23:36:27 <Eddi|zuHause> avdg: filesize is a waaaay "weaker" indicator than md5sum, and it can't order by version either 23:36:32 <avdg> indeed 23:36:35 <avdg> I agree 23:36:43 <avdg> someone could just modify bytes 23:36:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't make any sense at all 23:37:26 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... are there known md5sum collisions? 23:38:04 <planetmaker> yes http://www.mscs.dal.ca/~selinger/md5collision/ 23:38:53 <avdg> whops, thats what I call a fail :/ 23:39:23 <avdg> but I guess md5 is still usable for fles 23:39:48 <avdg> *files 23:40:12 <ccfreak2k> avdg, MD5 with file size. 23:40:26 <avdg> lol 23:40:31 <ccfreak2k> The chance of two files with identical length AND identical hashes are astronomically low. 23:40:36 <avdg> didn't you read the hack 23:41:39 <planetmaker> ccfreak2k: the page describes just that ;-) 23:41:47 <planetmaker> you can force that actually 23:42:10 <avdg> :p its still astronomically low that the grf file is still readable 23:42:16 <ccfreak2k> Exactly. 23:42:29 <ccfreak2k> I'm guessing PE allows garbage data at the end of the file. 23:42:54 <planetmaker> I think so, yes 23:43:21 <ccfreak2k> Well, at least there's SHA256 for now. 23:43:37 <avdg> you are still stuck with the md5 but I think there is indeed nothing else that can replace it 23:43:43 <avdg> *file reading 23:44:04 <avdg> except caching 23:44:26 <Rubidium> http://rbijker.net/openttd/please_avdg.diff <- does that help? 23:44:46 <avdg> I'm complaining too much, am I? :p 23:45:44 <avdg> lets see 23:45:55 <Rubidium> no, you're going on about one subject and then without saying you solved that issue you continue onto the next while half of the channel still tries to figure out your first issue 23:46:19 <avdg> :p 23:47:20 * avdg calls hisself dumb programmer 23:48:00 <avdg> yep :) 23:48:04 * avdg is happy :p 23:48:56 <PeterT> <SN1> Medvedus (White): I just want to play realistic :) 23:48:56 <PeterT> <SN1> Altus (Purple): and your definition of realistic is extortion and bribery? 23:49:01 <PeterT> lol 23:49:28 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r20607 /trunk/src/ (base_media_base.h base_media_func.h): -Fix: retain information about all base sets that are found and not only the latest version. This to stop confusing people that use newer versions of the base sets than those available via BaNaNaS. 23:51:22 <planetmaker> nice :-) 23:51:56 <PeterT> :D 23:52:01 <avdg> again its rubidium that fixed it :) 23:53:25 <avdg> hmm⊠I think I have to come up with a name about what I'm doing :p 23:53:45 <avdg> something like "being dumb" 23:54:37 <Eddi|zuHause> how about "applicant for The List"? 23:55:06 <avdg> wich list :p 23:55:41 <avdg> *witch -_- 23:56:52 <planetmaker> which? 23:56:55 <planetmaker> ;-) 23:56:59 <avdg> whatever... 23:57:01 <Rubidium> planetmaker: no, the list of people to burn/drown 23:57:10 <planetmaker> :-D 23:57:13 <avdg> :) 23:57:20 <avdg> I like that list :p 23:57:25 * planetmaker gets a torch 23:57:37 <planetmaker> someone got some wood? 23:57:50 * avdg give pm wood 23:57:51 <orudge> go to Cardiff 23:57:56 <orudge> I believe you can find Torchwood there 23:58:03 <planetmaker> :-) 23:59:13 <Rubidium> orudge: IIRC that was kinda torched 23:59:22 <orudge> well 23:59:24 <orudge> perhaps 23:59:28 <orudge> but I never said when you should go to Cardiff