Log for #openttd on 25th August 2010:
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00:27:28  <TruePikachu> FS#4079
00:27:49  <TruePikachu> ^^ that has the new files
00:30:01  <TruePikachu> I'm not sure if I got the category correct, though
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01:13:36  <TruePikachu> Oh, so your server keeps kicking you?
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01:22:13  <ccfreak2k> Connection gain, connection loss.
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01:22:57  <TruePika> No, I wasn't aware that my connection dropped
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01:35:13  <TruePikachu> How much more processor-intensive is 32bpp verses 8bpp?
01:36:53  <ccfreak2k> Connection lost.
01:36:55  <ccfreak2k> Connection found.
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01:37:13  <ccfreak2k> TruePikachu, it was actually faster when I used the opengl blitter.
01:37:14  <ccfreak2k> B)
01:40:20  <TruePikachu> ?
01:40:54  <TruePikachu> nvm for right now, gtg
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02:57:05  <TruePikachu> back
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06:32:45  <Terkhen> good morning
06:33:23  <planetmaker> good morning
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06:41:27  <Eddi|zuHause> new sports: "Duke Nukem Mikado" - "who releases first, looses"
06:41:37  <Eddi|zuHause> s/oo/o/
06:42:21  <planetmaker> :-D
06:42:41  <planetmaker> George isn't that bad :-)
06:42:59  <planetmaker> And George clearly said that he stops LV5 until <something I forgot>
06:43:08  <planetmaker> Some FS entry he would like to see resolved
06:44:08  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, improved curvature information
06:44:30  <Eddi|zuHause> i implemented that, but it wasn't included in trunk, afair...
06:44:35  <planetmaker> yeah, sounds like one of the things he likes
06:45:30  <Eddi|zuHause> fs#2521 it might be
06:48:29  <planetmaker> yes, I think
06:49:20  <planetmaker> and he's somewhat right: without anything new to add technically there's no point to up the version from LV4 to LV5.
06:49:35  <planetmaker> Might of course be that there are meanwhile other things which could be done
06:50:19  <Eddi|zuHause> well... the patch is there, it's just untested...
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06:52:40  <Eddi|zuHause> "Systemmanager Server (m./w.) - Schwerpunkt Unix" <-- anyone think i should apply for such a job?
06:56:05  <planetmaker> If you like it and the company, its work-style and if the payment is ok
06:58:49  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm more a person of the theory, but i don't want to stay at the university, and it's difficult to find a job that matches that, if you also want to stay in the region...
07:04:02  <planetmaker> he. That's two limitations :-)
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07:04:13  <planetmaker> That makes it more difficult indeed
07:08:11  <dihedral> good morning
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07:08:20  <dihedral> looks like you had an interesting night :-P
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07:13:25  <Eddi|zuHause>
07:15:06  <planetmaker> lol
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07:16:30  <Eddi|zuHause> "Apple hat die Wortmarke IPOD offenbar nicht nur fÌr MP3-Spieler und verwandte GerÀtschaften angemeldet, sondern unter anderem auch fÌr "GerÀte und BehÀlter fÌr Haushalt und KÌche"."
07:16:55  <dihedral> :-D
07:16:56  <planetmaker> That's indeed the most interesting sentence there and leaves one wondering
07:17:12  <dihedral> the company is allowed to name any other product "eiPOTT", just not that one :-P
07:17:47  <dihedral> i saw one here, and was wondering if i should buy one before they get banned :-P
07:19:13  <planetmaker> I definitely would
07:19:53  <dihedral> yeah, but not for 8 eur
07:20:13  <dihedral> it's an egg cup in the shape of an ipod :-P
07:21:04  <Eddi|zuHause> it's clearly one of the prime examples how patents "help" innovation
07:24:25  <planetmaker> dihedral: they make awesome presents
07:24:37  <planetmaker> like "Darling, I brought you a brand new eipott" ;-)
07:25:06  <dihedral> i think i'd only do that once with my darling :-P
07:25:12  <planetmaker> why?
07:25:25  <planetmaker> personally I'd laugh my head of
07:25:27  <planetmaker> *off
07:25:40  <planetmaker> both, giving it away and receiving it
07:25:42  <dihedral> well - if it were a birthday present :-P
07:25:51  <dihedral> hehe
07:26:02  <planetmaker> of course it doesn't work, if an iPod was asked for. But...
07:26:03  <dihedral> na, she'd laugh ^^
07:26:15  <Eddi|zuHause> they'd be a cool "Prasselgeschenk"
07:26:22  <planetmaker> also :-)
07:26:26  <dihedral> jeah - junk-wichteln
07:27:07  <planetmaker> auch genannt "Schrottwichteln" ;-)
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07:35:35  * dihedral had fun reading the backlog from the night :-D
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07:37:23  <Eddi|zuHause> there wasn't really much going on, what was so funny?
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07:38:18  <planetmaker> hm, what was the (new) log URL?
07:39:53  <Eddi|zuHause> i believe
07:40:41  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know what happened to mikegrb... i think we kicked him once...
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07:56:44  <Rubidium> so now we need to use a few hundred euro iPod to break an egg? Seems like a waste of money
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08:07:53  <planetmaker> damn :-( One of my monitors died over night :S
08:09:03  <Rubidium> and you were too late for CPR?
08:10:10  * dihedral moans in silence :-P
08:10:51  <Rubidium> lordaro: you shouldn't have re-added the post requesting the sources of tb's tournament thingy after I read your post, you subsequently removed it and I added the sources to my post
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08:11:53  <dihedral> not that they would cleanly apply i guess ....
08:12:07  <Rubidium> they will
08:12:11  <dihedral> uh?
08:12:18  <dihedral> that is interesting
08:12:25  <Rubidium> to r15254
08:12:31  <dihedral> ah :-)
08:12:41  <dihedral> i was not quite clear then i take it :-P
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08:35:29  <TruePikachu> Someone should take a look at 4080 and contact the creater if they have not been contacted.
08:35:35  <TruePikachu> *FS#4080
08:36:42  <TruePikachu> The report takes second place for the prize for 'bug report with least amount if information given', first prize went to 2 identical photographs of a computer, 'before' and 'after'
08:37:15  <TruePikachu> I told them to attach crash.dmp - crash.sav doesn't seem to apply to server list problems
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08:40:25  <Eddi|zuHause> people who report bugs automatically get an email when someone writes a comment
08:40:43  <Eddi|zuHause> but thanks for caring
08:40:46  * TruePikachu re-read the crash log, and thinks that McAfee may possibly be the problem
08:41:30  <TruePikachu> They may be using McAfee AV software; they are running McAfee SiteAdviser according to crash.log
08:42:33  <SmatZ> 3rd party tools sometimes cause problems in openttd, yes
08:42:34  <TruePikachu> On the XP+McAfee box here, McAfee has caused the majority of network problems, even with the firewall practically disabled
08:42:47  <TruePikachu> It even crashed Windows 3 times in a row!
08:43:13  <TruePikachu> boot->Login screen->5sec->reboot
08:43:37  <TruePikachu> Once in safe mode, I found the problem to be the antivirus scanner
08:44:33  <TruePikachu> (and SiteAdviser seems to never hook into IE/FireFox, therefore slowing the system by 2-3%)
08:45:04  <TruePikachu> (and when it does, you get 5-10 SiteAdviser icons in a row at the end of search results -_-)
08:47:05  <TruePikachu> For FS#4079, did anyone remove the attachments?
08:48:24  <SmatZ> TruePikachu: uploading of attachments sometimes fails for some reason
08:48:27  <dihedral> i hate it when plugins do not work as desired
08:48:40  <SmatZ> the dev team has decided it's user fault because we were never able to reproduce the problem
08:49:32  * TruePikachu will re-upload the images, but swears they uploaded correctly earlier today
08:50:08  <TruePikachu> O_o imagine if it failed on FS4080
08:51:46  <SmatZ> hmm why people love to upload instead of separate files
08:52:03  <SmatZ> so I have to download the archive in order to view crash.log...
08:52:07  <TruePikachu> Especially as a zip; it is ugly compression
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08:53:07  <gynter> Hello, anyone compiled openttd on freebsd?
08:53:24  <TruePikachu> gynter: No, but I've compiled on Linux ;)
08:54:11  <SmatZ> @fs 1928
08:54:11  <DorpsGek> SmatZ:
08:54:24  <SmatZ> probably fixed some freebsd problem
08:54:33  <SmatZ> so at least the reported tried to compile openttd there
08:54:38  <SmatZ> *reporter
08:54:45  <TruePikachu> ^^ seems like a relativly useless @ command for me
08:55:18  <gynter> configure script is fine, gmake cries about missing lzo/lzo1x.h
08:55:25  <gynter> thou I have lzo installed
08:55:36  <gynter> lzo2 and lzop too
08:57:13  <gynter> freebsd 7.1 & latest openttd stable source
08:57:17  <Rubidium> does Debian/kfreebsd count?
08:57:19  <TruePikachu> Check your PATH
08:57:33  <SmatZ> gynter: do you have some lzo(2)-devel package installed?
08:57:38  <TruePikachu> Can you execute the command from '/'?
08:58:17  <TruePikachu> ^^ yes, I hate those kinds of package dependancies
08:58:59  <TruePikachu> If you have it all installed, sounds like the libUSB problem I've had when compiling TiLP
09:00:04  <gynter> does --enable-dedicated also require data files?
09:00:05  <TruePikachu> Stupid thing that 1.x and 0.x are not compatable :(
09:00:15  <gynter> eg Open* or original
09:00:16  <Eddi|zuHause> gynter: yes
09:00:18  <gynter> k
09:00:47  <Eddi|zuHause> there's some needed information e.g. for land generation in there
09:01:47  <Eddi|zuHause> sound and music is not needed
09:02:13  <gynter> header files are in /usr/local/include/lzo
09:02:26  <gynter> for lzo2 and in /usr/local/include for lzo
09:02:49  <TruePikachu> Is the missing file in there?
09:02:52  <Eddi|zuHause> and if you add that path to CFLAGS?
09:03:16  <Eddi|zuHause> gynter: mit be a bug in ./configure
09:03:19  <TruePikachu> I know it may seem like a dumb question, but it won't hurt to double-check
09:04:09  <gynter> lzo1x.h is in both dirs
09:04:34  * TruePikachu has no clue as to the problem then, as that has never happened to him
09:04:35  <Rubidium> it should just work with /usr/local/include/lzo/lzo1x.h
09:05:00  <Rubidium> maybe config.log can give a clue?
09:05:56  <TruePikachu> Are you able to read the file? If not, the problem could be with permissions...I've had that happen once, for some reason...
09:06:07  <gynter>   trying /usr/local/include/lzo/lzo1x.h... found
09:06:07  <gynter> checking lzo2... found
09:06:13  <gynter>   trying /usr/include/lzo/lzo1x.h... no
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09:06:30  <gynter> in config.log
09:06:40  <gynter> that means it found the header thou
09:07:02  <TruePikachu> Well, then 'sudo cp /usr/local/include/lzo/lzo1x.h /usr/include/lzo/lzo1x.h' :)
09:07:24  <TruePikachu> Or, you could do a symbolic link, replacing 'cp' with 'ln -s'
09:07:26  <gynter> cannot
09:07:31  <TruePikachu> No root?
09:07:33  <gynter> i'm in freebsd jail
09:07:47  <gynter> and /usr/include is symlink to basejail
09:07:54  <gynter> eg base system
09:08:06  <Eddi|zuHause> TruePikachu: that is _definitely_ the wrong thing to do
09:08:28  <gynter> well but it did found it in /usr/local/include/lzo too as the logfile says
09:08:40  <gynter> afaik this should work fine
09:08:45  <TruePikachu> Well, all I know about FreeBSD is that the archetecture is similar to Linux
09:09:14  <TruePikachu> Try to prevent the check on /usr/include
09:11:27  <Rubidium> could you paste config.log somewhere? or so?
09:16:47  <gynter> sure,
09:18:01  <peter1138> right... where's the RISC OS port?
09:18:54  <gynter> hmm, a what?
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09:29:41  <Rubidium> hmm, that config log looks fine, so it fails somewhere during compilation?
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09:33:33  <Rubidium> gynter: it sounds like /usr/local/include isn't a "search" path for your gcc
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09:34:42  <Rubidium> gynter: does ./configure --disable-builtin-depend help you
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09:37:06  <gynter> no
09:39:22  <Rubidium> gynter: does ./configure CFLAGS=/usr/local/include help?
09:39:42  <Rubidium> and it's gmake that is having the trouble and not gcc?
09:40:51  <gynter>
09:40:53  <gynter> output
09:41:43  <Rubidium> so it's gcc that's not finding the file, i.e. the include path misses /usr/local/include
09:41:58  <Rubidium> and I (ofcourse) just gave you a wrong test
09:42:11  <Rubidium> gynter: ./configure CFLAGS=-I/usr/local/include
09:42:23  <Rubidium> slightly different than the previous, but I forgot the -I
09:42:34  <gynter> remove disable-builtin-depend?
09:43:05  <Rubidium> if that pasted error is the error you've always had, then you can remove the disable-builtin-depend
09:43:16  <Rubidium> though the strndup thing worries me a bit
09:47:02  <gynter> yea, lots of strndup stuff
09:49:20  <Rubidium> oh, they added strndup in FreeBSD 7.2
09:52:57  <VVG> hello
09:53:33  <Rubidium> this whole strndup stuff being "unreliably" available is just annoying. I guess configure needs to actively test for it's existance (yay for autotools/autoconf style :()
09:53:58  <gynter> hmm, is there a way to specify custom installation directory?
09:54:10  <dihedral> --prefix?
09:54:12  <Rubidium> gynter: see configure
09:54:15  <Rubidium> gynter: see configure --help
09:54:30  <gynter> thans, anyway, it compiled now
09:54:33  <gynter> thanks*
09:54:54  <Rubidium> it linked even due to those strndup warnings? No duplicate symbols or something?
09:55:29  <gynter> nope
09:58:21  <Rubidium> then one small test, does changing "#if defined(_GNU_SOURCE) || (defined(__NetBSD_Version__) && 400000000 <= __NetBSD_Version__)" to "#if 1" fix all the strndup warnings still make it link?
09:58:32  <Rubidium> that at the bottom of string_func.h
10:05:21  <gynter> sec
10:05:21  <gynter> icon-dir and icon-theme-dir are required for desktop icons etc?
10:05:50  <gynter> is it possible to disable creation of those? i only need it for dedicated server
10:16:25  <gynter> Rubidium, it fixed the warnings
10:20:46  <gynter> do I need all Open* stuff or only OpenGFX?
10:21:00  <gynter> for dedicated server
10:21:20  <Eddi|zuHause> only opengfx
10:36:35  <gynter> has configuration file changed alot, comparing to 0.6.3?
10:37:17  <Eddi|zuHause> 0.6 is a long time ago
10:37:52  <Eddi|zuHause> can you be more specific?
10:38:14  <Eddi|zuHause> openttd will load old config files and rewrite them
10:39:23  <gynter> nevermin, i'll just remake the server conf
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10:41:15  <dihedral> \o/
10:41:58  <Eddi|zuHause> he asked me why i was calling him a troll
10:42:18  <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't have the heart to answer "because you're not exactly splurting of competence"
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10:47:38  <Eddi|zuHause> random thought: if you check the "related object" of a wagon  (i.e. the engine). is the spec somehow extendible so you can submit a parameter to ask for the Nth vehicle in the chain instead?
10:48:01  <Eddi|zuHause> as a more generic approach to fs#2521
10:52:22  <Hirundo> The approach of random action2 type 84 should be applicable to varaction2 as well
10:55:27  <Eddi|zuHause> i think it should need 4 ways of addressing: {absolute, relative} and {whole chain, chain of same ID}
10:56:10  <Eddi|zuHause> ("and" standing for cartesic product here)
11:01:45  <Hirundo> Randomaction2 allows 3 of those (all except relative in chain of same ID)
11:02:26  <Hirundo> There are still some bits free, though
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11:03:37  <Eddi|zuHause> crazy people might also want to address the end, but that could be done by providing negative numbers to "absolute", if that has at least 8 bits
11:04:00  <Eddi|zuHause> a chain may be up to 100 vehicles
11:04:43  <Hirundo> That does not work, currently (max count is 16)
11:06:27  <Eddi|zuHause> whoever wrote that spec... :p
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11:19:42  <gynter> is there example dedicated server only config file somewhere for 1.0.3?
11:20:15  <dihedral> ./openttd will create a config file for you
11:20:23  <dihedral> you can then edit it
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11:23:06  <Eddi|zuHause> :o
11:24:34  <dihedral> hello Celestar
11:24:35  <dihedral> :-)
11:24:40  <Celestar> hi :)
11:24:44  <Celestar> how is life?
11:25:21  <dihedral> does openttd in the mean time support "Enhanced_Tunnels" as by this grf:
11:26:25  <dihedral> good, how's yours?
11:26:42  <Celestar> other than I'm ill ... not too shabby
11:26:58  <Celestar> and I'm having a fight with my ubuntu
11:27:36  <Eddi|zuHause> no, openttd does not support "enhanced tunnels" [as in rail over the tunnel entrance]
11:27:46  <Eddi|zuHause> and to my knowledge, also nobody is working on it
11:28:00  <Celestar> meh.
11:28:04  <Celestar> I had a branch for that.
11:28:08  <Celestar> but ran into probs
11:28:27  <Eddi|zuHause> it should be very similar to custombridgeheads
11:28:42  <Eddi|zuHause> with some graphical issues
11:28:44  <Rubidium> dihedral: you should know by now that a NewGRF can't implemented enhanced tunnels
11:29:02  <Celestar> yeah but cbh is hard with our virtual bridge thingy
11:29:25  <dihedral> Rubidium, the newgrf itself cannot - hence i am asking if it's in openttd in the meantime
11:29:40  <Eddi|zuHause> i remember the biggest issue was signal on the bridgehead, and maybe some stuff with turning around
11:30:04  <Celestar> yeah, in 1 out of 4 cases the train disconnected on turning around
11:30:19  <Rubidium> dihedral: ofcourse not, otherwise you'd've seen a commit log saying so
11:30:49  <dihedral> i recall not being around for a good few hundred revisions :-P could have checked the logs, true
11:31:36  <Eddi|zuHause> the logs might not be totally conclusive with regards to such features... e.g. try searching for "implement tram support" :)
11:33:39  <dihedral> it would have definately been marked with -[Ff]eature(?:ete|ish)?
11:34:07  <Celestar> hrhr
11:34:12  <Celestar> nice regex >P
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11:44:19  <Eddi|zuHause> @openttd commit 9923
11:44:21  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Commit by rubidium :: r9923 /trunk (18 files in 5 dirs) (2007-05-25 22:07:40 UTC)
11:44:22  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: -Add: support for Action 0 Road vehicles, property 1C, bit 0.
11:44:39  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think that matches ;)
11:45:54  <Rubidium> but name me what NewGRF bit is about rail on tunnelheads :)
11:46:18  <Eddi|zuHause> that should rather be a TTDP flag?
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11:46:34  <Rubidium> good idea :)
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12:06:29  <Eddi|zuHause2> soo... who holds the plug in his hand?
12:07:50  <dihedral> it must be orudge, he just wanted to hide his join!
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12:43:15  * yorick thinks ludde would do that
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12:46:59  <Eddi|zuHause> what's a noiv?
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12:48:54  <gynter> is ; comment in openttd.cfg?
12:49:28  <Eddi|zuHause> it's the same format as .ini files
12:49:48  <Eddi|zuHause> probably # works
12:50:16  <gynter> hmm ; works, but it removes the commented lines
12:50:17  <gynter> not good
12:53:04  <avdg> :)
12:53:15  <avdg> whoops wrong channel
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12:57:17  <Belugas> hey low
12:57:34  <planetmaker> moin Belugas
12:58:14  <Belugas> boing boing planetmaker :)
12:58:24  <dihedral> boing boing? ^^
12:58:29  <dihedral> how cute ^^
12:59:50  <Eddi|zuHause> i only know boeing, and they're not making planets, only planes, without t
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13:00:49  <planetmaker> hehe :-)
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13:06:40  <Belugas> it's just a sound :)
13:08:01  <Eddi|zuHause> i know :) i was just making fun of the close spellings ;)
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13:13:26  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it's the rdns of (yes multiple things are hosted there) because it didn't connect over IPv6 to OFTC (in which case it should be getting as rnds)
13:14:22  <Rubidium> unless IPv6 rdns doesn't work, in which case I blame orudge
13:14:32  <Rubidium> though I can't be bothered that much by rdns-es anyhow
13:14:59  <VVG> Recent trunk gives me a warning about old opengfx. Where do i get a new one?
13:15:35  <Ammler>
13:16:13  <gynter> is it possible to remove/add newgrf-s to existing scenario?
13:16:24  <VVG> oh, no new stable opengfx yet?
13:16:41  <gynter> nevermind
13:16:53  <Ammler> there was no stable opengfx yet at all
13:17:24  <VVG> what about the one on bananas?
13:17:41  <Eddi|zuHause> gynter: only in single player, and it's not recommended
13:17:57  <gynter> why it's not recommended?
13:18:33  <Eddi|zuHause> gynter: it may have bad side effects
13:18:36  <Rubidium> imagine the maglev changing in a steam train that's not able to run on maglev tracks
13:18:40  <planetmaker> <Ammler> there was no stable opengfx yet at all <-- I'd call 0.2.x 'stable' :-)
13:20:07  <Rubidium> or your sand quarry giving invalid cargo and looking like a part of a coal mine
13:20:28  <Ammler> I call 0.2 complete :-)
13:20:51  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... if anyone of you expected a delivery of ~2kg uranium from moldova, that shipment likely won't arrive...
13:20:55  <Rubidium> or a 1x1 becoming one tile of a 2x2 house, but the other parts not built at the right place
13:21:07  <Ammler> VVG: I just meant, contributions are still welcome :-P
13:21:08  <Eddi|zuHause>
13:22:29  <VVG> Ammler: i have nothing i could contribue to opengfx
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13:22:36  <Rubidium> Ammler: under those premises OpenTTD isn't stable either
13:23:15  <VVG> but it has been complete :)
13:23:41  <Ammler> opengfx should at least have no bugs, so yes, it is stable
13:24:14  <Ammler> but it might have a lot glitches :-)
13:26:07  <dihedral> ...
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13:30:55  <planetmaker> <VVG> but it has been complete :) <-- yes and no. It has no black boxes anymore
13:31:20  <planetmaker> But it has not yet fulfilled its mission: replace all original sprites by a unique sprite :-)
13:32:17  <Rubidium> even so, one could argue whether OpenGFX can ever be complete up to the moment OpenTTD dies a silent death (no more sprites needed from OpenTTD's point of view)
13:32:21  <VVG> planetmaker: that was reffering to ottd
13:32:37  <planetmaker> Though I'd rephrase the mission as "provide the graphics which make the best vanilla experience possible"
13:32:46  <planetmaker> oh, ok
13:33:02  <Rubidium> s/vanilla/out of the box/
13:33:13  <planetmaker> yes :-)
13:33:21  <planetmaker> It's not written yet anywhere. But I should ;-)
13:33:31  <Ammler> mÀh :-P
13:34:20  <peter1138> hurr, rpcemu's source code mentions openttd
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13:38:29  <Belugas> can i have moka out of the box instead?  not much a vanilla guy...
13:39:30  <Rubidium> peter1138: where? In its OSX specific code or something?