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00:00:20 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 00:01:58 *** trebuchet [~Trebuchet@69.51.104.87] has joined #openttd 00:05:13 *** Carci [~illyume@c-174-52-247-223.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:05:55 <Carci> Graaaah, I haaaaate the 'minimum vehicle income' rating. :/ 00:10:22 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:12:57 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:14:01 <Eddi|zuHause> just don't care about it. 00:14:03 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC31F8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 00:14:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:32 <Carci> But it's keeping me from having a perfect rating! 00:17:29 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:20:16 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:52 <avdg> carci: just sell the trains with no income 00:24:32 *** murr4y [~murray@112.84-48-67.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:25:10 <fjb> That is fun if they are part of a feeder system. 00:27:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:27:54 <Carci> What fjb said >.< 00:35:45 *** murr4y [~murray@112.84-48-67.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 00:42:55 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 00:49:44 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-241-119.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:09:20 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 01:15:05 *** murr4y [~murray@112.84-48-67.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:25:33 *** murr4y [~murray@112.84-48-67.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 01:39:01 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:42:02 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n12.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 01:57:33 <TruePikachu> Ummm... 01:58:34 <TruePikachu> dbg: [misc] Drawing string using newlines with DrawString instead of DrawStringMultiLine. Please notify the developers of this: [] 01:59:02 <TruePikachu> ^^ got 9 of them from forked output 02:36:07 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> charon.oftc.net quits: Sacro, luckz, @Rubidium, Vadtec, Andel, ack, lugo, LaSeandre, TruePikachu, Markk, (+45 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 02:37:06 *** Netsplit over, joins: @orudge, Born_Acorn, zodttd, murr4y, Eddi|zuHause, Carci, trebuchet, TruePikachu, a1270, Sacro (+45 more) 02:37:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 02:38:37 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a14c:dee:2eca:afe1] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:05:24 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> plasma.oftc.net, magnet.oftc.net quits: jonty-comp, heffer, Vadtec, APTX, Prof_Frink, peter1138, +michi_cc, dotwaffle, PierreW, TrueBrain, (+6 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 03:06:55 *** Netsplit over, joins: +michi_cc, Vadtec, dotwaffle 03:35:46 <GhostlyDeath> Is SourceForge slow for anyone else? 03:40:41 <G> how crazy am I to think it'd be nice to commission a rail line, basically what I'm thinking is, using the rail tool you can draw out your proposed route, even reserve it/purchase the land when you do so, but only build the tracks when you have enough money 03:42:20 <GhostlyDeath> What if you can't afford the purchasing of land? 03:43:22 <G> well it'd still happen but if a competitor blocks your route, then it fails as-is 03:43:31 <G> that or even sketch a route would be nice 03:44:08 <GhostlyDeath> Optimal route: Least cost, most speed for trains, least distance 03:44:58 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c74b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 03:45:58 <G> nah can't take the thinking out, but long distance routes get weird when creating them manually from both ends 03:46:33 <GhostlyDeath> I got an idea 03:47:16 <GhostlyDeath> In the yaer 1994, allow the usage of a ring that creates a wormhole between two points 03:47:30 <GhostlyDeath> Allowing for one way instant travel to another point 03:48:17 <GhostlyDeath> Time to start coding 03:49:29 <G> haha 03:49:49 <G> but anyway, I'm more interested in people saying how crazy I am for thinking it'd be a good idea at this point :) 03:52:20 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c085.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:58:00 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 03:59:34 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 04:00:10 <Carci> :p 04:01:21 <Carci> Well, I got up to 1,000 points... let's see if I can get the timing right to keep it at that as I cross into 2050 04:01:29 <Carci> That's when it records the points, correct? >> 04:01:50 <fjb> Tunnels are wormholes in TTD world. 04:12:48 <Carci> I... win... I think. xD 04:19:45 <TruePikachu> +3,486 04:19:54 <TruePikachu> *103 04:20:14 <TruePikachu> I got 3,486 off of one delivery 04:20:45 <TruePikachu> A half trainlength delivery from my factory uberstation 04:21:11 <TruePikachu> ~10 tiles of goods (12 tile train) 04:21:50 * TruePikachu an't wait to get a full-length set up 04:21:53 <Carci> Hehehh. 04:21:55 <TruePikachu> *can't 04:22:12 <TruePikachu> It is funny how a 12 tile long train fits in 1 depot 04:22:17 <Carci> I was getting 0,000 regularly form my train deliveries cross-continent from one factory-town to another factory-town. 04:22:32 <TruePikachu> This was a short-ish distance 04:22:36 <Carci> Ohhh. 04:23:06 <TruePikachu> @calc 140+80 04:23:06 <DorpsGek> TruePikachu: 220 04:23:08 <Carci> I was a billionare at the end. :D 04:23:12 <TruePikachu> ^^ that many tiles 04:23:39 <TruePikachu> I death feed factories 04:24:11 <TruePikachu> How far for you was "cross-continent"? 04:25:15 <Carci> It was... well, it was a 1024 wide map... and I was about 3/4 of it. 04:25:26 <Carci> It wasn't the furthest I could possibly go, but it was a long haul. 04:25:38 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:26:59 <TruePikachu> Lol, I get ~0,000 off of ~250 tiles; you got ~0,000 off of ~640 (?) tiles 04:27:17 <TruePikachu> AND I just needed to clone that train a couple times 04:27:35 <Carci> It might have been more. I don't remember >.> 04:27:46 <TruePikachu> (station has dedicated space for 4 of these trains, of DOUBLE length) 04:27:59 <Carci> Nice :D 04:28:06 <Carci> My station was, hmm... 04:28:13 <TruePikachu> My destination station is limiting the size to 12 tiles 04:28:29 <Carci> I think it was six wide or so, by 7 long. 04:28:35 <TruePikachu> Eventually, I'll double the freight platforms to the full 24 tiles 04:28:54 <Carci> Both stations were, and they had waiting bays for an equal number of trains as they'd fit. 04:29:08 <TruePikachu> Imagine a 24 tile goods train keeping ahead of traffic :D 04:30:03 <TruePikachu> This train travels 65mph, but I can up the speed if I reduce car capacity (flatcars have lower speed limits than boxcars in NARSv2) 04:30:15 <TruePikachu> (and higher capacity) 04:30:20 <TruePikachu> (it seems...) 04:30:47 <TruePikachu> I may be able to up it to 80mph, the caboose max speed 04:30:50 <Carci> Heheheh. 04:30:54 <Carci> Hmmm... 04:31:13 <TruePikachu> BUT I don't want to pull out boxcars until I get better capacity off them 04:31:29 <Carci> So, it's very easy to sink a 512x1024 map with about 0,000,000 04:31:59 <TruePikachu> Lol, 12 tile train going at 38mph 04:32:09 <Carci> Heh xD 04:32:10 <TruePikachu> (38mph is depot depart speed) 04:32:51 <TruePikachu> Oops...blocking mainline traffic (another 12 tile train) 04:33:16 <TruePikachu> (+ 5 PAX that were caught behind the other 12 tile's 65mph) 04:33:53 <Carci> Uhoh 04:35:18 <TruePikachu> Lol, after the depot train left, the 12 tile is pulling past the junction, and next in line is another 12 tile coming from depot ... expect heavy delays 04:37:21 <TruePikachu> Lol, after that line of 3 12 tile trains, there is an 8 tile crossing mainline at 17 mph (I think I need more power there) 04:37:41 <TruePikachu> In an evil X's longest path with long block 04:37:43 <Carci> Just maybe :P 04:38:05 <TruePikachu> These trains are hilarious right now 04:38:55 <trebuchet> i fucking love trains choooo chooooo 04:39:44 <TruePikachu> KDW factory has 675 crates of goods waiting - a 12 tile holds 484 - clones were really needed 04:41:24 <TruePikachu> Uhh...I might need MORE clones... 04:44:14 <TruePikachu> Lol, factory in KWD closing (not mine, though) 04:44:24 <TruePikachu> *KDW 04:44:35 <TruePikachu> *actually, all KWD 04:44:44 <Carci> Wait a second... 04:44:50 * TruePikachu waits 1 second 04:44:54 <TruePikachu> Now what? 04:45:01 <Carci> Why do I have no loan, no structures, and I'm still getting charged 0 per year of 'other' fees? 04:45:27 <TruePikachu> That's just general office upkeep 04:45:39 <Carci> Ah, alright *shrug* 04:46:06 <TruePikachu> There is always a flat 0/yr in other for that 04:46:16 <TruePikachu> Actually, /mon 04:46:23 <Carci> *nod* 04:46:51 <TruePikachu> One person at the forum thought it was employee salaries 04:47:14 <TruePikachu> If they paid all their employees a total of /mon... 04:47:28 <TruePikachu> STRIKE!!! 04:47:39 <Carci> Hahahh. 04:47:49 <TruePikachu> You can actually search for the thread 04:47:58 <TruePikachu> It is quite funny 04:51:00 <TruePikachu> Lol @ this farm: 108 grain, 12 livestock 04:51:37 <Carci> Heh, sounds like all the ones I had. 04:52:03 <Carci> Was really annoying, actually. ended up having to sell off a lot of my livestock trains because they were dinging me with negative income, and I was trying to get the 1,000 points. 04:52:15 <TruePikachu> Lol @ this other farm: 117 grain 6 livestock 04:52:53 *** llugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c74b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54:13 <TruePikachu> Untouched (but not for long) farm: 99G 162L 04:54:51 * TruePikachu hooks it up to the uberfactory 04:55:06 <TruePikachu> Wait, too far :( 04:55:11 <Carci> Oooh 04:55:17 <Carci> Too far? 04:56:07 <TruePikachu> Yes; over 200 tiles from my current mainline 04:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B752B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:56:27 * TruePikachu goes to try to make steel and more goods 04:56:41 <TruePikachu> Steel platforms for uberstation are 6 tiles long 04:56:49 <TruePikachu> *uberfactory 04:57:21 <TruePikachu> Grain 12, livestock 18, goods 24 04:57:45 <Carci> Ooh. 04:57:55 <Carci> Does it need all that? >.> 05:01:05 <TruePikachu> That is actually due to the structural design of the station 05:01:41 * TruePikachu will eventually post it to the Wiki 05:01:57 <TruePikachu> It is being very efficient 05:02:13 <Carci> *nos* 05:03:00 *** davis [~b@p5B28B5F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:03:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B756CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:07:04 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 05:07:31 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 05:07:35 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:13:10 <TruePikachu> O_o 12 tile livestock trains off of the 162L 05:18:49 <TruePikachu> ^^ Lol @ how much speed that train lost climbing a mountain with full load 05:19:01 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 05:19:06 <TruePikachu> 1mph/60mph 05:19:25 <TruePikachu> (it was going 59mph) 05:23:15 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-141-185.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 05:26:07 <TruePikachu> (on the mountain, it went 59) 05:28:34 <TruePikachu> Lol, that train just pulled profit from a hat 05:29:30 <TruePikachu> It was < -,000 for the year so far, and on Dec. 31, it delivered and got > ,000 05:29:45 <TruePikachu> (for year) 05:32:34 <__ln__> what newgrf has trains with hats? 05:43:10 <planetmaker> good morning 05:43:27 <planetmaker> (but that's no newgrf name to my knowledge ;-) ) 05:44:08 <__ln__> morgen 05:53:01 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:56:19 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11:07 *** TruePikachu [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Night] 06:16:11 <dihedral> morning 06:26:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:53:09 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e073.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:11:32 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 07:13:34 *** Carci [~illyume@c-174-52-247-223.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:13:48 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:22:35 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:24:35 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:24:57 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db817a8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:28:16 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e073.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:28:34 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:29:43 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e073.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:31:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db817a8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:35:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1C60C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:47:45 *** FloSoft [bouncer@www.siedler25.org] has joined #openttd 07:47:47 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has joined #openttd 07:47:47 *** peter1138 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 07:47:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 07:47:54 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 07:47:57 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn13-22.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:47:57 *** APTX [~APTX@chello089077244008.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 07:47:58 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 07:48:11 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 07:48:11 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC300A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:48:11 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.72.132] has joined #openttd 07:48:11 *** PierreW [sbnc@bnc.peterbox.net] has joined #openttd 07:48:25 *** Osai [~Osai@vs185047.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 07:49:25 *** SmatZ [~SmatZ@vs185047.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 07:51:57 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 07:52:45 *** Markk [~markk@213.229.75.82] has joined #openttd 07:54:55 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:57:06 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 07:57:56 *** Joni_ [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:00:04 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 08:04:05 *** Joni- [~Joni-@80.220.0.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:00 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:20:47 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 08:27:55 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.15.143] has joined #openttd 09:39:40 *** Joni_ is now known as Joni- 09:41:58 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:43:47 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 09:46:49 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 09:46:53 <Eddi|zuHause> 562% CPU! 09:48:01 <peter1138> How many cores? 09:48:46 <Eddi|zuHause> 6, obviously 09:49:38 <__ln__> isn't 4 cores enough for 562 if they have hyper threading® 10:09:58 *** GecK [Geck@pro75-3-82-229-184-63.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 10:10:09 <GecK> hi everybody 10:13:30 *** beyre83 [5c1aad13@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:13:51 <beyre83> hello :) 10:15:50 <beyre83> well i dont know if you remember, my dell laptop with the Broken Screen, just called dell again today and they have repaird the computer, and are shiping it back to me, should arive today or tommrow, so i guess it was a problem caused by waranty :) 10:25:19 <planetmaker> I never heart that a warranty _caused_ a hardware problem 10:25:35 <planetmaker> s/heart/heard/ 10:27:00 <Noldo> yes, it's the ending of warranty that causes them 10:27:46 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:27:58 <SpComb> covered 10:28:18 <SpComb> or they'll send the inovice back along with the laptop 10:28:28 *** Fixer [~Fixer@91.202.128.79] has joined #openttd 10:28:49 <planetmaker> you spoilt it, SpComb ;-) 10:31:19 *** icmlfy [~icursemyl@ip4da73f5f.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 10:40:09 *** icmlfy [~icursemyl@ip4da73f5f.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 10:40:21 *** icmlfy [~icursemyl@ip4da73f5f.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 10:40:43 <icmlfy> ohai 10:50:14 <planetmaker> hi 10:52:59 <Fixer> hello guys, sorry if that asked before but reliability of last vehicles will go down even after 2050? 10:54:35 *** icmlfy [~icursemyl@ip4da73f5f.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [] 10:59:10 <SmatZ> Fixer: I think it won't, else all vehicles would be unusable after 2070 11:00:16 <SmatZ> /* Determine last engine aging year, default to 2050 as previously. */ 11:00:18 <SmatZ> _year_engine_aging_stops = 2050; 11:00:26 <SmatZ> _year_engine_aging_stops = max(_year_engine_aging_stops, ymd.year); 11:00:44 <SmatZ> so with some engines, the year when aging stops can be moved further 11:02:05 <peter1138> Some? _year_engine_aging_stops seems rather global to me. 11:03:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i think he meant adding a newgrf engine that appears later 11:03:29 <SmatZ> yeah... what I wanted to say, when there is one engine with intro_date + lifelength/2 > 2050, then aging of all engines will stop at the later date 11:04:12 <peter1138> *nod* 11:04:29 <Fixer> Eddi|zuHause: 11:04:38 <Fixer> Eddi|zuHause: no just standart vehicles* 11:05:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Fixer: in that case, the answer is "no" 11:05:34 <Fixer> thank you 11:07:15 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:47 <planetmaker> Fixer, for helicopters it won't stop... you'll simply left without ;-) 11:18:01 <planetmaker> they expire before 11:23:04 <Fixer> thank you 11:31:51 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 11:33:59 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:34:55 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:35:38 <Fixer> that reliability with breakdowns is funny, i've suddenly noticed it when TIM highest rel. was 30% and my entire network was in smoke :p 11:36:26 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host142-59-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:37:53 <Wolf01> hello 11:51:58 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-110-6.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 11:54:45 *** Knall [~weechat@178-191-206-10.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 12:01:43 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 12:07:30 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:11:22 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8411.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:20:36 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:21:14 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c8d:642:39a9:5709] has joined #openttd 12:21:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:21:38 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:21:46 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:21:53 <Nite> Hi 12:24:39 <dihedral> Nite! 12:25:13 <Nite> ja? 12:25:30 * andythenorth_ ponders 12:26:08 <andythenorth_> should FIRS sand pit and gravel pit be combined to one industry? 12:26:11 <andythenorth_> irl they could be 12:26:29 <Nite> ah its firs again 12:26:43 <Nite> are there supplies still? 12:27:48 <glx> an industry can supply 2 cargo 12:28:09 <glx> it would make sens to combine sand and gravel 12:28:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite: afair you can disable the effect of supplies 12:28:27 <andythenorth_> Eddi|zuHause: no 12:28:32 <Nite> ah very nice 12:29:27 <planetmaker> andythenorth_: yes, it'd actually make sense 12:29:33 <planetmaker> and one less industry. 12:29:43 <planetmaker> which at the current state would not be bad. 12:29:51 <andythenorth_> it would mean a lot of sad graphical work for me :) 12:30:04 <planetmaker> Do you think? 12:30:07 <andythenorth_> yes 12:30:15 <planetmaker> it'd just mean to creat a few transition tiles ;-) 12:30:24 <planetmaker> half grey, half yellow ;-) 12:30:30 <andythenorth_> :P 12:30:34 <Eddi|zuHause> gravel is not harvested from a water-filled pit. 12:30:39 <andythenorth_> yes it is 12:30:39 <Rubidium> 13. ``Perfection (in design) is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but rather when there is nothing more to take away.'' 12:30:42 <planetmaker> it is 12:30:42 <Eddi|zuHause> but i said that before... 12:30:56 *** beyre83 [5c1aad13@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:31:14 <Nite> (all those "stone" pits sometimes fill with water) 12:31:25 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:31:27 <andythenorth_> Eddi|zuHause: there is a plan to remove supplies in a future edition of FIRS 12:31:31 <andythenorth_> if that helps any 12:31:44 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth_: i have no problem with supplies 12:31:45 <glx> andythenorth_: and with CB 14C you could still have sand only or gravel only for some of them 12:32:03 <Nite> well disabling also helps - so you have the choice - which ist good in many cases 12:32:25 <Chris_Booth> andythenorth_: why remove supplies? can't you just have a dissable/enable parameter? 12:32:38 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8c74b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:40 <andythenorth_> Nite: you prefer the default industry production increase behaviour? 12:32:42 <Chris_Booth> IMO supplies add an extra layer and are fun 12:33:15 <planetmaker> Chris_Booth: the plan is to remove them as an _option_ 12:33:22 <planetmaker> not principally 12:33:31 <andythenorth_> in one or more economies 12:33:37 <Chris_Booth> ooh ok 12:33:43 <andythenorth_> it will mean also gutting quite a few industry chains 12:33:47 <andythenorth_> as they'll be pointless 12:33:51 <planetmaker> :-) 12:33:55 <andythenorth_> so it needs some careful thought :) 12:34:03 <andythenorth_> or we get drunk and just fix it one evening 12:34:11 <planetmaker> primary and secondary. We had that. Two industry types. Maybe even only one ;-) 12:34:30 <Chris_Booth> andythenorth_: you could still have supplies just have them sent to towns rather than industies 12:34:36 <Chris_Booth> as a seond type of goods 12:34:44 <andythenorth_> got building materials for that :) 12:34:45 <Eddi|zuHause> that'd be silly... 12:34:48 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 12:34:55 <andythenorth_> 'farm supplies' -> town seems odd no? 12:35:02 <Chris_Booth> Eddi|zuHause: why would it me 12:35:05 <Chris_Booth> be 12:35:19 <Chris_Booth> andythenorth_: no not realy, you can buy tractors in towns 12:36:00 <Rubidium> andythenorth_: seems quite normal for actually not so long ago 12:36:01 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody can open this page? http://avidemux.org/admWiki/index.php?title=Scripting 12:36:17 <Nite> ("little pig little pig let me in - to the openttdcoop welcome server" - btw) 12:36:48 <Chris_Booth> what Nite? 12:37:09 *** Fixer [~Fixer@91.202.128.79] has left #openttd [] 12:37:15 <Chris_Booth> Eddi|zuHause: works for me 12:37:33 <Chris_Booth> ooh it has qt on it 12:38:42 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:40:10 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: I get the main page 12:40:34 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:41:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i got lots of timeouts, but now it seems to work. the real link should be http://avidemux.org/admWiki/doku.php?id=using:scripting i guess it was outdated 12:41:51 <glx> yes found this page too, and no timeout problem 12:41:54 <andythenorth_> pros for changing to sand & gravel pit: (1) it will need more vehicles routing to the industry, making things more complicated 12:42:01 <andythenorth_> (2) fewer industries on minimap 12:42:11 <glx> (1) is fun 12:42:13 <andythenorth_> (3) more chance of getting a source of both sand and gravel on hilly maps 12:42:30 <andythenorth_> ^ currently a hilly map has very low chance of sand and/or gravel and/or clay 12:42:42 <andythenorth_> against: (1) I have to redraw stuff 12:42:48 <andythenorth_> (2) it's more changes to cargo chains 12:43:14 <andythenorth_> I guess I'm the only one who cares about redrawing :o 12:43:33 <glx> well you can keep the current drawing and add one for both (if you use CB 14C) 12:43:35 <Chris_Booth> what ever happened to TAI? 12:44:11 <andythenorth_> CB 14C is discouraged as very annoying to players :) 12:44:14 <glx> like at least one combo then possible sand only or gravel only 12:45:18 <planetmaker> andythenorth_, it's IMHO a definitive go. No disadvantage 12:45:45 *** joern [~joern@85.183.114.52] has joined #openttd 12:45:58 <planetmaker> (combining gravel + sand) 12:46:32 <planetmaker> Hm.. CB14... Actually it might be fun to have such option :-) 12:46:52 <planetmaker> Like... Prospecting mine. you find coal or iron or bauxite or sand or gravel ;-) 12:47:03 <glx> hehe 12:47:07 <andythenorth_> I'd (probably) enjoy that 12:47:13 <andythenorth_> it could be called 'random mine' 12:47:16 <planetmaker> May the if ... then ... else clauses have fun ;-) 12:47:30 <Chris_Booth> you would need to include oil in it aswell 12:47:51 <planetmaker> It'd be fun, yes. Problem: scenario editor or players wanting / needing a specific resource 12:47:55 <planetmaker> yes, oil, too 12:48:17 <glx> then they don't build "random mine" 12:48:17 <Chris_Booth> once again can be disable for players who are wimps 12:48:22 <andythenorth_> planetmaker: just leave the other mines in place, add a new one 'random mine' 12:48:30 <planetmaker> hm... :-) 12:48:45 <peter1138> Then you fire it up in Minecraft... 12:48:50 <planetmaker> Interesting idea. And a parameter which enables / disables its probability 12:48:58 <andythenorth_> ach 12:49:09 <andythenorth_> what I should do is finish the biofuel plant and stop dreaming up 'new' 12:49:15 <planetmaker> ach? Sounds too German for your throat ;-) 12:49:17 <andythenorth_> I'll try and do that later 12:49:23 <andythenorth_> I have to drive for an hour soon 12:49:33 <glx> minecraft is time consuming 12:49:43 <Chris_Booth> what is timecraft? 12:49:55 <Chris_Booth> minecraft or what ever 12:50:01 <glx> but now I have torch, I can work at night ;) 12:50:08 <Chris_Booth> loads of people are raving about minecraft 12:50:09 <andythenorth_> I should say...combining sand & gravel just came about as a possible solution to "can't build sand pit / gravel pit" on hilly maps 12:50:17 <andythenorth_> there could be other solutions 12:51:03 <Chris_Booth> andythenorth_: maybe have some indstry that can be built on slopes 12:51:11 <Chris_Booth> but that would need more drawing 12:51:48 <planetmaker> That's for later. Beautification :-) 12:51:55 <planetmaker> (my opinion) 12:51:55 <andythenorth_> it would need a lot of drawing 12:52:08 <andythenorth_> it would need a grid of quarry tiles that can be combined 12:52:16 <andythenorth_> each tile needs 16 slope variations 12:52:17 <planetmaker> but it'd make sense for mines and similar 12:52:23 <andythenorth_> there would need to be minimum 4 tile types 12:52:29 <andythenorth_> more like 9 for decent looks 12:52:38 <andythenorth_> @calc 9*16 12:52:38 <DorpsGek> andythenorth_: 144 12:52:52 <andythenorth_> ^ how many unique tiles I have to draw, and make them all interconnect in a grid 12:53:01 <andythenorth_> is there a cheating way to do it? 12:53:11 <planetmaker> yep ;-) 12:53:18 <planetmaker> colourful boxes :-P 12:53:57 <andythenorth_> night mode? 12:54:02 <andythenorth_> then I just draw flood lights 12:54:11 <andythenorth_> run the whole game in night mode? 12:54:16 <andythenorth_> black + lights 12:54:23 <planetmaker> you'd need to draw 10k sprites then 12:54:38 <andythenorth_> probably worth writing an app to process them 12:54:48 <planetmaker> I'd happily encode those into a night base set just for you, though ;-) 12:55:13 <andythenorth_> Eddi|zuHause: you sometimes have solutions to intricate problems....any idea of a shortcut to make quarry tiles? 12:55:18 <andythenorth_> (slope aware) 12:56:46 <andythenorth_> maybe there's an optical illusion I can use... 12:58:44 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 13:07:01 <Belugas> hello 13:08:29 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.218.220] has joined #openttd 13:09:39 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:14 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.218.220] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:26:38 *** Knall [~weechat@178-191-206-10.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2] 13:27:04 <Wolf01> hello mr. Belugas 13:34:33 <Nite> afk 13:45:50 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 13:47:04 <Belugas> hello sir Wolf01 :) 13:47:21 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-239-44.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:49:40 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-89-176-209-74.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:40 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:52:13 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has joined #openttd 14:12:50 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 14:18:20 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@host81-157-87-106.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:21:58 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:23:03 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-5-169.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:25:04 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-183-251.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:25:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:28:04 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8411.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:04 * andythenorth_ didn't think of a clever way to do quarries yet 14:28:51 <andythenorth_> I could limit the number of directions 14:29:10 <andythenorth_> no point drawing quarries for back slopes (north / nw / ne facing) 14:29:49 <andythenorth_> I could prevent building on steep slopes too 14:30:29 <planetmaker> just the 4 normal ones, I'd say. And the two front ones with priority 14:30:59 <planetmaker> adding *every* slope is not needed anyway 14:31:31 <andythenorth_> no 14:31:41 <andythenorth_> but more than just the 'normal' ones 14:31:47 <andythenorth_> otherwise placement is near-impossible 14:31:55 <andythenorth_> PBI quarry is hard to build 14:32:46 <planetmaker> any slope would be an improvement. So starting with the easy ones :-) 14:33:06 <andythenorth_> better to start with the hard ones :) 14:33:16 <andythenorth_> then I don't go down a dead end 14:33:45 <andythenorth_> hmm 14:33:55 <andythenorth_> if individual quarry faces are always quite small.... 14:33:59 <andythenorth_> that will ease placement 14:39:34 <GhostlyDeath> What about roads that gown down and back up on a slope when built on ground like that? 14:40:05 <GhostlyDeath> You can't move off the road regardless so why bother making it sloped 14:41:08 <andythenorth_> ? 14:41:49 *** davis [~b@p5B2894A6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:43:56 *** Knall [~weechat@178-191-206-10.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 14:47:04 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:51 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:50:57 *** lolman [~lolman@188-220-249-104.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:51:55 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8411.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:53:27 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.57.193] has joined #openttd 15:07:59 *** nicfer1 [~nicfer@190.50.18.112] has joined #openttd 15:11:58 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.57.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:22 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 15:21:35 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@host81-157-87-106.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 15:23:33 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 15:24:47 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:30:16 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 15:35:58 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:20 *** lobstar [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:47:23 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8411.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:44 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:52:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f48e1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:32 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 15:58:25 <Belugas> right... 2 days to find out that the girl clicked on the Print button like a crazy fool until the system crashed.... 15:58:44 <Belugas> my fault... i should have known there are still psychopaths on the loose 16:00:22 <Lakie> Heh 16:00:52 <Lakie> Things users do... 16:02:18 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:02:31 <frosch123> hmm, why is this channel not present on the current xkcd image? i talk most here :p 16:02:42 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 16:03:03 <glx> Belugas: like disable button while printing is not finished ? 16:03:12 <Rubidium> frosch123: bias? 16:03:31 <Rubidium> like... what's this facebook thing? or that twitter thing? 16:06:26 <Belugas> glx: it was already th case, just that the whole window should have been disabled for a longer period. i protected the vital part, thinking it was enought 16:06:41 <glx> hehe 16:06:54 <Belugas> but it's more about what to do after the payment has been processed. 16:07:04 <Belugas> print was only one part of the processes 16:07:31 <Belugas> the other one was invoicing if no more to receive (amount due was 0) 16:07:43 <Belugas> as if this one was not critical enough :S 16:08:00 <planetmaker> frosch123, IRC is present... as a very very tiny island :-) 16:08:22 <planetmaker> also: hello :-) 16:09:02 <frosch123> the great firewall is nice though :) 16:10:31 <davis> great firewall of china 16:11:21 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:25 <planetmaker> yeah :-P 16:11:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:12:12 *** waldtroll [~goblin@krlh-5f72fe7a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:12:31 <planetmaker> but I also like the 'Northern wasteland of unread updates' ;-) 16:18:05 <Rubidium> oh, you mean all those people telling you you've got family you're not aware of? 16:18:50 <planetmaker> I guess it meant those status updates in facebook and similar no-one cares about 16:20:54 <Rubidium> ah, so the "deceased and wants to give you their money"-status updates don't count :( 16:21:06 <Rubidium> I'm definitely receiving more of that latter group 16:21:09 <dihedral> frosch123, i like the "great firewall" :-D 16:25:31 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e07cb77.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:26:01 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not exactly a new name... 16:27:29 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 16:28:31 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:24 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 16:38:09 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.15.143] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.21.227.88] has joined #openttd 16:41:00 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:42:56 <Chris_Booth> does anyone have the direct number for richard branson (the owner of virgin media) so I can find where he lives and kick him in the ball for his shit internet 16:44:59 <planetmaker> 0800-virgin-media? 16:45:22 <davis> Fan Mail Address: 16:45:22 <davis> Richard Branson 16:45:22 <davis> 120 Campden Hill Road 16:45:22 <davis> London W8 7AR 16:45:22 <davis> UK 16:45:24 <davis> goodluck. 16:48:23 <Eddi|zuHause> for certain values of "fan mail" :p 16:50:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.194.137] has joined #openttd 16:54:01 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 16:55:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.178.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:59:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-216.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:04:16 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 17:04:25 *** nicfer1 [~nicfer@190.50.18.112] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:52 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5DDFE629.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:04:52 *** fjb is now known as Guest1946 17:04:52 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 17:09:19 <Chris_Booth_> davis maybe I could pay the post man to kick him in the nuts 17:10:00 *** Joni- [~Joni-@dsl-vsabrasgw1-fe00dc00-41.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:10:27 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db817a8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:20 <Belugas> butt 17:11:24 <Belugas> not nuts 17:11:35 <Belugas> violent one. 17:11:40 <Belugas> you should be HANG! 17:12:16 *** Guest1946 [~frank@p5DDFF6A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:30:19 *** sparr [~sparr@c-24-98-253-213.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:16 *** Chris_Booth__ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:41:31 *** Chris_Booth___ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:42:46 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest1950 17:42:46 *** Chris_Booth__ is now known as Chris_Booth 17:42:56 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: bbml] 17:43:46 *** Chris_Booth___ is now known as Booth 17:44:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r20904 /trunk/src/lang/ (italian.txt portuguese.txt romanian.txt ukrainian.txt): 17:44:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:44:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 2 changes by lorenzodv 17:44:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: portuguese - 2 changes by JayCity 17:44:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: romanian - 2 changes by kkmic 17:44:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 2 changes by Fixer 17:45:02 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:46:29 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:47:42 *** Guest1950 [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:01:59 *** sparr [~sparr@c-24-98-253-213.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4340, sources date: 20100125, built on: 2010-05-20 14:18:13 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:02:06 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:02:29 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:10:17 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8411.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:20:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:29:59 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:53 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 18:50:30 <Wolf01> 'nighty night 18:50:32 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@host81-157-87-106.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:50:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host142-59-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 18:51:57 *** Knall [~weechat@178-191-206-10.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:04 <SmatZ> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=50307 that guy deserves certain amount of slapping 18:59:14 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8411.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: <Nachricht>] 19:01:46 <Booth> ok SmatZ that guy needs a kick in the Nads 19:01:51 <Booth> YAPF is great 19:01:56 <Booth> and I never get lots trains 19:01:56 <dihedral> SmatZ, it is rather odd that someone wants to rewrite a pathfinder and has no idea how the current implementation functions :-P 19:02:07 <dihedral> nor where it is seemingly failing 19:02:18 <Booth> it will be fails with his building 19:02:24 *** Lurimax [~quassel@ti0028a380-dhcp1175.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 19:02:28 <dihedral> Booth, it's definately not great for ships :-P 19:02:50 <__ln__> *definitely 19:02:57 <Booth> dihedral: I dont use it for shipd 19:03:02 <dihedral> thanks - i always wonder what i get wrong with that word, __ln__ 19:03:02 <Booth> but it never looses trains 19:03:04 <__ln__> you're welcome 19:03:22 <__ln__> *loses 19:03:39 <dihedral> shipd sounds like a daemon :-P 19:05:06 <V453000> andythenorth_: when is going to come the next FIRS release please? :) possibly without the "colourful boxes" instead of industries :) 19:05:53 <joern> SmatZ: slap on, please! 19:06:12 * andythenorth_ doesn't know 19:06:22 <andythenorth_> most of the boxes are gone in the nightly 19:06:31 <dihedral> hihi - it's joern :-) 19:06:34 <dihedral> hello joern 19:06:37 <andythenorth_> simply because most of the industries got removed ;) 19:06:37 <joern> moin 19:08:02 <joern> do you actually have good reasons to call me a blockhead, apart from "well, _I_ never lost any trains in my games"? ;) 19:08:44 <V453000> andythenorth_: thats great :) I would just need it to be on bananas to make it available for public stable servers :p 19:08:44 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 19:09:47 <SmatZ> joern: it's not nice to start your post with "YAPF sucks" 19:09:57 <V453000> ye 19:09:59 <V453000> that sox 19:10:05 <SmatZ> joern: also, YAPF DOES cache 19:10:13 *** Muddy_ [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has joined #openttd 19:10:20 *** Muddy [muddy@playing.OpenTTD.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:20 *** Muddy_ is now known as Muddy 19:10:42 <SmatZ> other things don't have anything in common with YAPF, but rather the way it works 19:10:50 <SmatZ> eg. are not YAPF-specific 19:11:03 <SmatZ> but behave the way you described for all pathfinders 19:11:48 *** ar3kaw [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:53 <joern> SmatZ: my preferred mail client is mutt, because it really does suck less 19:11:57 <dihedral> but one has to grant: it's a bold attmpt 19:12:24 <SmatZ> joern: also you need to be desync-safe, so you might need to save further data in the savegame 19:12:26 <dihedral> i'd love to see a patch :-) 19:12:41 <joern> but maybe that is too much of an insider, even if i tried to explain it 19:12:46 <SmatZ> yup, improvements and even new PF would be welcome :) 19:13:20 <joern> before coming up with a patch, i need to figure out what i'm working against 19:13:22 <Booth> has the right click scrolling changed in 1.0.4? 19:13:38 <Booth> or is the linux scrol different to the windows scroll? 19:13:42 <joern> i.e. the pathfinder API, which i didn't see documented anywhere 19:13:50 <dihedral> joern, it might help to understand what the current pathfinder does 19:14:13 <dihedral> and at which speed 19:14:38 <SmatZ> Booth: it shouldn't have changed, but there might be a bug :) I haven't noticed any change though 19:14:43 <Booth> joern: also why so amny path signals? 19:14:45 <dihedral> a pathfinder for ships would be amazing 19:14:46 <SmatZ> Booth: maybe you have disabled "reverse scroll direction"? 19:14:49 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-216.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:14:57 <Booth> no its the speed of scrolling 19:15:08 <SmatZ> might have somthing to do with mouse sensitivity 19:15:14 <Booth> might do 19:15:20 <Booth> I do have a new mouse 19:15:31 <SmatZ> :p 19:15:35 <Booth> or the VM might be doing something funny to it 19:15:39 <dihedral> my mum thought the picture on her tv got better with a new remote, too 19:15:49 <SmatZ> :( 19:15:59 <dihedral> she thought i was mean to laugh :-D 19:16:11 <SmatZ> :p 19:16:21 <SmatZ> it's not nice to laugh over your mother :p 19:16:43 <dihedral> could not help it :-P 19:16:47 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-216.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:07 <dihedral> even had to laugh when she started telling me of a friend of hers, who claimed to have windows 10 19:17:12 <dihedral> at work 19:17:34 <dihedral> and suggested i might not be quite up to date on certain things 19:18:27 *** b_jonas [~x@BC24C4DD.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 19:18:49 <frosch123> maybe it was windows 1.0 19:19:02 <dihedral> hehe 19:19:11 <b_jonas> the town list should have a way to sort by number of statues 19:19:12 <dihedral> or she has office 10 :-P 19:19:34 <dihedral> or even worse: SuSE 10 :-D 19:19:40 <dihedral> Ubuntu 10.04 19:19:44 <frosch123> solaris 10 ? 19:19:51 <b_jonas> it's hard to hunt statues in towns 19:20:06 <b_jonas> I think I have one in all towns in this game, but I'm not sure 19:20:28 <dihedral> next time you can place a sign with each statue 19:20:38 <andythenorth_> planetmaker: maybe I don't need to recolor the sandpit to make it sand and gravel :) http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/171226 19:20:44 <b_jonas> dihedral: hmm, not bad 19:21:13 <b_jonas> how long do advertising campaigns last? 19:21:22 <dihedral> few months 19:21:27 <dihedral> -> wiki.openttd.org 19:21:33 <b_jonas> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics doesn't say 19:21:33 <dihedral> might even have the correct info 19:21:45 <b_jonas> it says how much it increases the rating 19:21:57 <b_jonas> "Advertising campaigns give an instant, temporary boost to ratings of nearby stations. The boost will gradually fall down to the calculated rating. " 19:22:02 <dihedral> i'd assume it would last a quarter 19:22:57 <andythenorth_> this one's pretty yellow too: http://www.ntexsand.com/?page_id=312 19:22:58 <b_jonas> thanks 19:23:45 <Booth> linux and windows right click scroll are different 19:23:46 <Booth> wtf 19:24:34 <dihedral> if you change that you'll get a huge amount of complaints ;-) 19:25:51 <Booth> dihedral: I am complaining 19:26:33 <dihedral> one complaint is too little :-P 19:26:46 <frosch123> complaining at dihedral is fine 19:26:52 <Booth> have you seen the difference though? 19:27:07 <dihedral> Booth, most people who play this game do not play on 2 different platforms 19:27:19 <b_jonas> do they scroll in a different direction or different speed? 19:27:26 <Booth> I am not playing on 2 platform 19:27:30 <dihedral> so if you believe it needs fixing, it means either windows or linux 'users' will notice a huge change 19:27:34 <Booth> b_jonas: different speeds 19:27:35 <b_jonas> or is it that they move the mouse on one? 19:27:53 <Booth> windows you drag the mouse 19:27:55 <b_jonas> hmm, can it be an option then? 19:28:02 <dihedral> Booth, different speeds is too vague 19:28:09 <dihedral> as that entirely depends on your system settings 19:28:13 <Booth> I am making a video 19:28:18 <dihedral> and i believe they are different in windows and linux ;-) 19:28:21 <b_jonas> the linux one is better because that's how the original ttd works, right? 19:28:28 <dihedral> WHAT? 19:28:39 <Booth> no windows is orginal ttd 19:28:43 <Booth> click and drag 19:28:44 <dihedral> ...? 19:28:51 <avdg> openttd is a clone of ttd 19:28:56 <dihedral> why would 'original' be dependent on the OS? 19:29:06 <Booth> linux is click and just move the mouse a tiny bit and you have flown of the map 19:29:20 <dihedral> "sorry sir, you have a mac, you cannot play OpenTTD with 'original' settings on that OS" 19:29:35 <dihedral> Booth, like i said - it totally depends on your settings 19:29:36 <Booth> well give me the original setting in linux 19:29:42 <dihedral> i can tell you it's not the case for me here 19:29:56 <dihedral> all os's use the same default settings 19:30:15 <dihedral> i have no clue how you even got to consider openttd to be at fault when it's mouse sensitivity 19:30:29 <Booth> I will show you dihedral 19:30:39 <frosch123> Booth: scrolling might fail in a virtual environment if you have absolute mouse positioning 19:30:43 * SmatZ shows Booth a dihedral 19:30:57 <frosch123> it also fails on tablet-thingies 19:31:07 <frosch123> thus the left-click drag-scrolling was added 19:31:07 <dihedral> Booth, you cannot show me ;-) 19:31:46 <Booth> I can record the screen adn show you 19:31:53 <dihedral> you can demonstrate that sensitivity is different in the one os compared to another 19:32:04 <Booth> no its the way it scrols 19:32:08 <dihedral> however you cannot demonstrate that both systems are using the exact same settings ;-) 19:32:28 <Booth> I can show you that they are for open ttd 19:32:30 <dihedral> + if you are in a vm that makes it even more tricky 19:32:50 <dihedral> then you should run both tests inside a vm 19:33:03 <dihedral> Booth, SYSTEM settings, not OPENTTD settings! 19:33:13 <joern> Booth: goal is find a nice design that maximises throughput. the path signals are the best i have found so far 19:33:14 <Booth> I know that dihedral 19:33:20 <dihedral> medium on mouse sensitivity in linux and windows can both mean different things ;-) 19:33:30 <joern> dihedral: does anyone actually understand what yapf does? and if yes, who? 19:33:38 <dihedral> uh 19:33:39 <Rubidium> KUDr 19:33:47 <dihedral> that is a very very good question :-) 19:33:53 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-241-91.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:33:54 <Booth> no one joern :p 19:33:55 <joern> :) 19:34:38 <joern> all i could find was a pseudo-laymans-description somewhere in the forum 19:34:49 <Rubidium> although I'd argue that the question is phrased incorrectly; YAPF finds the path between the curent location and its destination 19:34:54 <joern> which basically said "A* plus a bunch of optimizations" 19:35:15 <frosch123> joern: there is the trackfollower which creates the graph, then there is the costestimation which compuites costs for the edges. the costs are cached for the edges. then there are a few things that operate on that graph 19:35:37 <Rubidium> joern: it's actually "A*", the optimisations don't change the algorithm, just the cost "lookup" 19:36:30 <frosch123> due to the cache yapf is very fast if a lot of vehicles share their routes 19:36:45 <b_jonas> but does it create a graph with paths collapsed to a single edge? 19:36:47 <joern> frosch123: ok, so the graph is cached, but yapf still has to traverse the complete graph whenever it has to decide which route to pick? 19:36:52 <frosch123> even shippathfinding is faster for yapf if you have a lot of ships on one route 19:36:57 <joern> is that correct? 19:38:03 <frosch123> if there is no route i would expect it to traverse the whole grf. no idea whether there is some limit 19:38:17 <frosch123> if there is a path a* will of course make it not to have expand all nodes 19:38:22 <Rubidium> frosch123: there's a max open node limit 19:38:54 <b_jonas> the problem with this map I'm playing is that the three biggest cities are in the middle of the map forming a single metropolis 19:39:17 <Booth> b_jonas: majic buldozer them then 19:39:28 <Booth> or make an urban rail network 19:39:59 *** Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.10/20100914125854]] 19:40:18 <b_jonas> it's just that I have to make all passenger services going from there to somewhere else, so they're a bit crowded 19:40:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:41:17 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Booth 19:42:33 <joern> frosch123: then i guess yapf is halfway between plain a* and my design 19:43:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db817a8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:43:27 *** Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 19:43:51 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:44:21 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 19:44:43 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db817a8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:59 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:47:38 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47:50 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:51:34 <Chris_Booth> Sorry about all the joining/parting 19:51:39 <Chris_Booth> my VM died 19:52:04 <__ln__> we'll never forgive you 19:52:26 <__ln__> hmm.. wait a minute, it wasn't that serious. 19:57:26 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 20:01:53 <b_jonas> these trains are stupid, most of them go on the same lane even though there are two lanes 20:02:01 <b_jonas> or tracks if you call it like that 20:03:54 <b_jonas> just because this track is shorter, you can use the other one too, guys! 20:04:30 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8411.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:06:44 * andythenorth_ wonders if sand and gravel production amounts should be same 20:06:45 <b_jonas> lazy maglevs 20:06:48 <andythenorth_> probably 20:07:11 <b_jonas> uh, where would you use the sand or gravel? 20:09:38 * andythenorth_ doesn't understand scenario editor 20:18:24 <planetmaker> [22:16] * andythenorth_ [22:07:33] wonders if sand and gravel production amounts should be same <-- random 20:18:42 <andythenorth_> write a ticket... 20:18:43 <andythenorth_> :) 20:18:45 <planetmaker> like default farms :-) 20:20:04 <planetmaker> I guess I'll do that then :-) 20:20:13 <andythenorth_> thanks 20:20:24 <planetmaker> actually... the same could be done for a mixed farm: random production rations of what they produce 20:20:30 <planetmaker> and other farms as well 20:23:15 <planetmaker> done 20:29:21 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:30:30 *** ajmiles [~aj@78-86-188-187.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:32:59 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe83de00-38.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 20:37:08 *** avdg1 [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:37:08 *** avdg [~avdg@94-227-100-192.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:09 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:37:15 *** b_jonas [~x@BC24C4DD.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:43:01 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:09 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 20:44:16 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4db817a8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:39 * Belugas listens to Led Zep - kashmir 20:46:45 <Belugas> and he feels soooooo goood... 20:46:58 <Belugas> now, if only there was a guitare somewhere... 20:50:41 <frosch123> night 20:50:45 <Rubidium> night frosch123 20:50:47 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f48e1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:04 <Rubidium> Belugas: yeah, sounds pretty good 20:52:43 <Belugas> i love that song... 20:53:10 *** avdg1 is now known as avdg 20:58:11 *** Wizzleby [~wizzleby@pool-108-16-114-12.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:58:21 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@host81-157-87-106.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 21:04:01 *** Lurimax [~quassel@ti0028a380-dhcp1175.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:08 *** Lurimax [~quassel@ti0028a380-dhcp1175.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 21:06:48 <Belugas> cani have a preview of what the game looks like? 21:07:06 <Belugas> preview of the grfs, preview of the scenarios... 21:07:16 <Belugas> a bit of a loon... 21:07:38 *** Lurimax [~quassel@ti0028a380-dhcp1175.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:46 *** Lurimax [~quassel@ti0028a380-dhcp1175.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 21:08:27 <Rubidium> Belugas: just look out of the office window; by the way, the game's called: "going to the kid and wife" :) 21:10:12 <Belugas> lol 21:10:14 <Belugas> right :) 21:10:45 <Belugas> i'll leave the previews of both of them to get the real thing instead 21:10:47 <Belugas> night all 21:11:00 <Rubidium> bon appetit 21:11:20 <Belugas> marci ben, toé avec :) 21:11:40 <Belugas> naaa... it's not real french ;) 21:11:43 * Belugas is gone 21:13:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 21:15:37 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:16:29 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B752B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:16:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B752B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:41 *** TomyLobo [~foo@port-212-202-171-176.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 21:23:54 *** waldtroll [~goblin@krlh-5f72fe7a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: good night] 21:27:38 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B752B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B752B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:26 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8411.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:26 *** Lurimax [~quassel@ti0028a380-dhcp1175.bb.online.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47:46 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-78-102-180-216.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:48:02 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:07 *** GecK [Geck@pro75-3-82-229-184-63.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 21:56:46 *** Spoons [faux@molotov.compsoc.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:56:54 *** Spoons is now known as FauxFaux 22:01:56 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 22:07:11 *** bryjen [~bryjen@63.147.94.149] has quit [Quit: Quit] 22:07:57 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:17:27 *** thvdburgt [~thvdburgt@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:31 *** ^Spike^ [~spike@d200003.upc-d.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 22:53:26 *** TruePika [~chris@cpe-67-49-42-88.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:53:32 *** TruePika is now known as TruePikachu 22:54:09 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:16 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:24 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.18.112] has joined #openttd 23:13:02 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e073.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us.] 23:13:50 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:20:03 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:05 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-110-6.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 23:30:51 <TruePikachu> Can someone manage my comment for FS#4154 ? 23:33:11 <ccfreak2k> Is your comment out of control? 23:34:08 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-213-49-110-6.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 23:36:49 <TruePikachu> No, I mis set the priority 23:36:55 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 23:37:22 <SmatZ> TruePikachu: you can set Priority when opening the task? 23:41:31 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.201.131] has joined #openttd 23:44:18 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause> only the severity, afair... 23:46:51 <Eddi|zuHause> ... or he actually meant that 23:59:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B752B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]