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Terkhen can do that... but within a VM 08:28:43 <planetmaker> it can also be done with cygwin or mingw. But that might take its time 08:28:57 <andythenorth_> I am trying to help Kogut build it 08:29:04 <andythenorth_> I don't know what platform he uses though 08:29:05 <planetmaker> oi 08:29:19 <planetmaker> tell him to install make and gcc :-) 08:29:56 <planetmaker> and grfcodec, nforenum and md5sum and zip ;-) 08:30:04 <planetmaker> and bash actually 08:34:12 <andythenorth_> :| 08:34:19 <andythenorth_> I forgot all those things 08:35:38 <planetmaker> mingw provides all those basically 08:35:42 <planetmaker> as does msys 08:36:14 <planetmaker> so it's "just" a matter of installing that and of setting up a mingw compile environment 08:40:39 <xiong> Does anyone think there'd be another application for a Perl script that more or less brutally converts all numbers in a file from kilometers to miles? 08:49:59 <__ln__> "It was 1950 and the population was already 200,000." -> "It was 1211,93 and the population was already 124,301."? 08:53:04 <xiong> __ln__, Yes; it's inelegant. Even if I were willing to put in the work, I can't think of a way to parse a random page of text and decide which numbers in it might represent km and which something else. Sorry. You have to choose your input file with some... regard. 08:54:06 <xiong> If I knew I were parsing XML and the XML were properly written, such that the km measures were so identified, it would be different. The only value of my script is that it doesn't disturb text that isn't numbers. 08:55:17 <xiong> I wrote the script for this: (http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Trains). I can vaguely see a future application in the TTD realm but only barely. 08:58:21 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:58:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:18:33 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-89-102-137-248.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:19:41 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.31.222.11] has joined #openttd 09:21:13 <Terkhen> good morning 09:21:51 <Terkhen> andythenorth_: it can be built on windows, if all the patches I coded have been applied to it 09:22:12 <Terkhen> I don't remember if they were applied to FIRS or only to the newgrf base project 09:22:39 <planetmaker> I don't know that either anymore ;-) 09:22:49 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:22:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:35:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6829.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:35:54 <planetmaker> quak Alberth und frosch123 :-) 09:36:12 <frosch123> moin planetmaker, hai alberth 09:36:38 <Alberth> good morning all 09:42:08 *** AveiMil [~AveiMil@232.81-166-168.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:03:18 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 10:07:08 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:17:22 *** thefiler [29871d36@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:17:32 <thefiler> hi guys 10:19:11 <thefiler> stupid question - i've started using open ttd for the first time in a year again. usually within the game you could set your industries cargo production to max or min while playing now with the new version it seems you cant 10:19:25 <andythenorth_> cheat menu 10:19:36 <andythenorth_> ctl-alt- 10:19:37 <andythenorth_> c 10:19:56 <thefiler> thanks ill try quickly 10:20:15 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA066.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:20:57 <thefiler> thanks Andy for the help... 10:26:45 <AveiMil> Helps! http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/table/engines.h?rev=21100 <- Line 587, the max_speed says 37. But when I set: 10:26:46 <AveiMil> item(FEAT_AIRCRAFT, SampsonU52, 0) { property { cost_factor: 14*param[50]/100; running_cost_factor: 85*param[55]/100; speed: 37; } } 10:27:00 <AveiMil> And load up the .grf in the game, the speed for that aircraft is NOT default 10:29:54 <thefiler> another stupid question, why can one build all other industries close together but you cant do it for banks 10:30:53 <planetmaker> AveiMil: the numbers there are not km/h nor miles/hour or m/s but NFO / OpenTTD internal units 10:31:13 <planetmaker> sometimes, e.g. for wagon weight they equal metric units, sometimes not 10:31:54 <planetmaker> but... what difference do you get with your example? 10:31:58 <Terkhen> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/table/engines.h?rev=21100#L573 10:32:37 <AveiMil> I did not expect the number to be a real unit. But I expected "37" to be the default in game speed, which is 476 (~) in the game. 10:32:45 <planetmaker> Terkhen: but... in NML giving no units should work as giving the NFO value... so it might still be considered a problem 10:32:47 <AveiMil> But when I do speed: 37 it's like 150~ in the game 10:33:50 <Terkhen> indeed 10:34:09 <planetmaker> AveiMil: that should be a bug in NML 10:34:34 <planetmaker> it might work if you use km/h as units and the proper value. What is the result then? 10:35:14 <AveiMil> I just discoevered through trial and error 10:35:28 <planetmaker> @calc 1/0.279617 10:35:28 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 3.57632046692 10:35:33 <AveiMil> that 474km/h = speed: 131; 10:35:37 <Alberth> thefiler: there are advanced settings for that (economy, it seems) 10:36:04 <AveiMil> strangly enough, there's no difference between speed: 127,128,129,130 10:37:03 <Alberth> looks like it gets divided by 4 somewhere 10:37:12 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:37:14 <AveiMil> so from 126 the speed was 461 10:37:23 <AveiMil> and no difference until 131 which was 474 10:37:30 <AveiMil> which is the default speed in the game for the SampsonU52 10:38:24 <planetmaker> @calc 1/12.8 10:38:24 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 0.078125 10:40:04 <Alberth> nml does a lot of conversions from 'nice' units to internal data values that have 'weird' ranges 10:40:35 <AveiMil> hmmm 10:40:58 <AveiMil> any way to figure otu the correct speed value for each aircraft then 10:41:03 <AveiMil> without trail and error? 10:41:17 <AveiMil> can you write a script that outputs i? 10:41:21 <AveiMil> it* 10:41:25 <planetmaker> AveiMil: you can try to change nml/nml/action0properties.py:305 10:41:39 <planetmaker> try to replace the conversion value given there by 0.078125 10:41:54 <planetmaker> I *think* that fixes it... 10:42:51 <Alberth> planetmaker: if you change the source, please add the calculation rather than the magic number 10:42:52 <AveiMil> will that affect other things? 10:43:58 <Alberth> AveiMil: I think not, each entry there is one of the settings you can do, it is a quite 1-to-1 mapping 10:44:42 <planetmaker> hm... that's not the fix I think 10:44:56 <AveiMil> lol, no, that made it worse :) 10:45:00 <planetmaker> it will make it worse ;-) now the plane is 37km/h ;-) 10:45:06 <AveiMil> yes 10:45:07 <AveiMil> hehe 10:45:19 <AveiMil> but tweaking that number fixes it I guess 10:45:25 <planetmaker> 12.8 then 10:45:39 <planetmaker> but... it should accept nfo when no unit is given... 10:46:47 <AveiMil> 12.8 results in compile error 10:46:55 <AveiMil> nmlc: "input", line 255: Action 0 property too large 10:47:04 <planetmaker> hm 10:47:08 <AveiMil> 12.8x37 = more than 255 10:47:14 <AveiMil> wait 10:48:53 <AveiMil> nvm 10:49:18 <andythenorth_> how much is TE related to friction? 10:49:47 <andythenorth_> quite a lot 10:50:53 <andythenorth_> so for two vehicles with equivalent weight, the one with larger tyres will have higher TE? 10:51:33 <planetmaker> not necessarily 10:51:50 <planetmaker> important is the pressure 10:52:27 <andythenorth_> so a vehicle with central tyre inflation system... 10:52:34 <AveiMil> 'unit_conversion': 1.035456703125 10:52:36 <AveiMil> that's the number 10:52:50 <AveiMil> albeit SLIGHTLY off, maybe because it rounds up or something? 10:53:02 <AveiMil> with speed: 37 I now get ingame speed 487 10:53:03 <planetmaker> so for equivalent weight the larger tyres will actually increase the area with the ground, thus decrease the pressure 10:53:37 <planetmaker> so actually... hm... smaller types should be better ;-) 10:53:50 <AveiMil> 0.279617=128 10:53:50 <AveiMil> X=474 10:53:56 <AveiMil> That's what I did to figure out the number 10:54:08 <planetmaker> but you need of course some area to put the power from the vehicle to the ground... thus... 10:54:11 <planetmaker> difficult ;-) 10:54:17 <AveiMil> ah, 128 is supposed to be 131 10:54:21 <AveiMil> there's my small error 10:55:28 <AveiMil> 'unit_conversion': 1.011743954198473 10:55:36 <AveiMil> there, that number gives me CORRECT in-game speed 10:55:39 <AveiMil> with speed: 37 10:56:09 <planetmaker> AveiMil: unfortunately the bug is not the conversion factor. But it seems the unit detection 10:56:26 <AveiMil> ok, but changing the unit conversion works as a workaround 10:56:33 <planetmaker> changinge the factor breaks conversion for other units, e.g. km/h ;-) 10:56:39 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-55-59.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 10:57:25 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-55-59.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:57:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:57:42 <AveiMil> seems fine to me? 10:57:50 <AveiMil> both imperial and metric are correct numbers 10:58:52 <planetmaker> hm, yes. AveiMil add as unit 'nfo' 10:59:11 <planetmaker> then 37 works. I'm just trying to find out whether it is as designed :-) 10:59:36 <AveiMil> aye, so I have a good work around 10:59:46 <planetmaker> using 'nfo' is not even a work-around 10:59:54 <AveiMil> I use the 37 because that's what I found off that site 11:00:07 <AveiMil> I'm confused 11:00:11 <AveiMil> what you mean 11:00:18 <planetmaker> openttd's internal units are nfo units 11:00:27 <AveiMil> right, like 37 11:00:37 <AveiMil> (?) 11:00:53 <planetmaker> yes, the plane speed is in nfo plane speed units 11:02:00 * Terkhen wonders why the air drag implementation is considered realistic 11:03:17 <planetmaker> AveiMil: aye. It works as designed 11:03:26 <planetmaker> If you don't specify any units, SI units are assumed 11:03:30 <planetmaker> and 37 m/s is about 11:03:34 <planetmaker> @calc 3.6 * 37 11:03:34 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 133.2 11:03:36 <planetmaker> ^ 11:03:40 <planetmaker> km/h 11:04:23 <AveiMil> so I can just use y any units, SI units are assumed 11:04:23 <AveiMil> [12:03] #openttd: <@planetmaker> and 37 m/s is ab 11:04:26 <AveiMil> wtf 11:04:34 <AveiMil> so I can just use 'unit_conversion': 1.011743954198473 then 11:04:58 <planetmaker> eh? 11:05:14 *** Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 11:05:15 <planetmaker> NML is working as designed 11:05:32 <planetmaker> If you want to use nfo units you have to specify 'nfo' as unit 11:05:39 *** Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:05:39 <AveiMil> where? 11:05:46 <planetmaker> if you specify no units, it's assumed you mean the value in SI 11:05:53 <planetmaker> after the speed 11:05:56 <AveiMil> 37nfo? 11:06:11 <planetmaker> speed: 37 nfo; 11:06:15 <planetmaker> yes 11:06:33 <planetmaker> it'd be better readable, if you used 476 km/h ;-) 11:06:55 <planetmaker> but when mimicing default behaviour metric might indeed not be 'best' (whatever that is) 11:07:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.205.86] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:07:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.205.86] has joined #openttd 11:10:38 <AveiMil> Hey guys, I'm trying to play my NewGRF with a friend over MP. 11:10:49 <AveiMil> We both have installed it in the Data folder 11:11:03 <AveiMil> But when he tries to join the gae he gets "newgrf mismatch", ti's the same grf 11:11:52 <AveiMil> Does it have to be installed in a different way? 11:12:04 <planetmaker> it has to be _exactly_ the same newgrf 11:12:09 <planetmaker> you probably have a newer version 11:12:16 <planetmaker> (or older) 11:12:55 <AveiMil> Ehm, nope, I even start a new instance on my own computer, so I have two OpenTTD's running 11:12:59 <AveiMil> and the second one says the same thing 11:13:34 <planetmaker> then those use different data folders with different newgrf versions 11:20:57 <Alberth> run openttd with openttd -d grf=1 you'll get a dump of where grfs are loaded from 11:21:58 <Alberth> at least 1 looks like it is enough, higher numbers give more output 11:23:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:26:17 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 11:27:23 <AveiMil> How do you get the prompt window to pause? 11:27:26 <AveiMil> it dissapears 11:29:56 <AveiMil> it probably says taht on my client because the second instance can't load it up as it's already in use 11:29:59 <AveiMil> I'm guessing 11:30:40 <planetmaker> dunno for windows, but I doubt that windows bitches there more than other OS. It works here 11:30:40 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-239.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:33:16 <AveiMil> recompiled and now it works 11:33:18 <AveiMil> dunno wth 11:36:17 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-55-59.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:37:57 <planetmaker> not updated ;-) 11:37:58 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.104.150] has joined #openttd 11:38:30 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-57-48.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:38:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:41:46 <AveiMil> How do I clear crashed trains? :) 11:41:59 <Alberth> wait :) 11:42:03 <planetmaker> wait 11:42:13 <planetmaker> slow me :-P 11:42:35 <AveiMil> wait? 11:42:48 <AveiMil> oh just wait 11:42:50 <AveiMil> lol 11:43:21 <Alberth> AveiMil: first open a terminal/command window, then type the openttd command (from my memory: start->run_cmd->'cmd' or 'command' or so) 11:50:23 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2F6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:59:47 <thefiler> is there a way to stop new industries from beginning? so that the only new way is to fund them 12:01:07 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1a721.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:01:16 <Alberth> you can set number of industries to none, when generating a game 12:01:31 <Alberth> however, then you don't get any industries 12:01:50 <Alberth> you can also make a scenario with that setting so you have an initial setup 12:01:58 <Rubidium> IIRC there's some NewGRF that stops generating industries 12:02:20 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-57-48.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:04:31 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-37-133.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:04:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:04:38 <Alberth> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/details.php?do=details&id=244 this grf. not sure what settings it has 12:05:22 <Alberth> it's called manual industries iirc, you should be able to find more info about it at the forums 12:05:51 <planetmaker> Alberth: the manual industries are also on bananas 12:06:20 <frosch123> only for nightly users 12:06:20 <thefiler> thanks 12:06:20 <planetmaker> our green(?) amphibian developer put it there ;-) 12:06:35 <planetmaker> oh, right... nightly only 12:06:59 <frosch123> saves writing a readme :p 12:07:49 <planetmaker> :-) 12:16:11 *** saronpasu [~saronpasu@catv075-208.lan-do.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 12:19:17 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-37-133.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:21:34 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-58-188.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:21:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 12:32:40 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:32:54 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 12:40:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-105-132.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:46:43 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.9.61] has joined #openttd 12:51:08 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:06:14 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 13:11:25 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:12:58 *** Chillosophy [~fu@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:15:25 *** thefiler [29871d36@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:30:49 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-84-42-201-222.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:32:26 <__ln__> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1369/5150688859_8ba31a4880_o.jpg 13:35:20 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r21107 /trunk/src/ (ground_vehicle.cpp pathfinder/yapf/yapf_costrail.hpp): -Fix: Don't use the maximum track speed where the maximum vehicle speed is meant. 13:35:25 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r21106 /trunk/src/ (ground_vehicle.cpp ground_vehicle.hpp roadveh.h train.h): -Change: Tuned realistic acceleration to be a bit more realistic in order to make acceleration "slower", which highlights the differences between vehicle types more. 13:38:08 <frosch123> CIA-2: don't mess with the universe 13:48:33 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 13:51:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21108 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Add: Copy the 'editable' flag of the newgrf window to its layout widget. 13:54:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21109 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Add: Don't display available newgrfs when the newgrf list is not editable. 13:54:56 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21110 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Add: Tidy up the buttons of the active newgrfs list. 13:55:39 <planetmaker> Add: Remove display real-estate :-P 13:56:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21111 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Add: Remove the buttons below the newgrf details if the list is not editable. 14:06:21 *** KouDy1 [~koudy@ip-86-49-8-184.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:22:21 *** KouDy1 [~koudy@ip-86-49-8-184.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:24:15 *** Xyzzy_ [~Xyzzy@41.31.222.11] has joined #openttd 14:24:17 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.31.222.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:23 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 14:32:24 <nicfer> where's the openttd.cfg placed by default in windows 7? 14:33:10 <planetmaker> readme, section 4.2 tells you 14:34:31 <nicfer> there I found it 14:35:14 <AveiMil> Inflation, it increases purchase cost/running cost in addition to income cost per passenger trip etc? 14:35:28 <AveiMil> And does it also affect buldings costs? 14:40:57 *** thefiler [29871d36@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:41:06 <thefiler> any experts here? 14:42:06 *** Xyzzy_ [~Xyzzy@41.31.222.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:20 <thefiler> i cant seem to get this to work http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=39870&start=20 :( 14:43:49 <planetmaker> and where does what fail? 14:45:00 <thefiler> well I went to place it where its suppose to be, but I cant get the option to disable new industries from coming up 14:45:52 <thefiler> i've disabled all other grf settings and only have this running... but every time I start a new game or scenario new industries starts up 14:46:24 <thefiler> i cant get this option http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/manindu 14:46:56 <Hirundo> What version of openttd are you running? What grf parameters did you set? 14:48:07 <thefiler> ttd 1.0.4 14:48:16 <planetmaker> that doesn't support the new parameter window 14:48:25 <thefiler> what parameters were i suppose to set 14:48:28 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 14:48:49 <planetmaker> the easy parameter window is only present in current nightlies 14:49:41 <thefiler> sorry im really dumb at this. what should i do 14:49:57 * andythenorth_ wonders if the rail Gmund Mog should carry cargo at all 14:50:06 <planetmaker> one of two: a) play a nightly version of OpenTTD or b)forget about using that newgrf 14:50:32 <thefiler> ahh ok ill download the new nightly version 14:50:57 <planetmaker> there's an (older) version of manual industries.... you may find that somewhere, but I don't know where. Grfcrawler might help 14:51:44 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 14:53:02 <thefiler> so if I had to download nightly r21102 it should work then? 14:53:21 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 14:53:59 <planetmaker> yes 14:54:14 <dih> if you download the nightly you can try it... 14:54:23 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 14:54:31 <planetmaker> but mind, you cannot join only servers with the exact same version. 14:55:03 <planetmaker> and savegames are not backward compatible, only forward 14:56:06 <thefiler> thats fine. 14:57:09 *** stinkyfax [~stinkyfax@wowmod.eu] has joined #openttd 14:57:18 <stinkyfax> morning all 14:58:24 <planetmaker> good evening 14:59:52 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:00:39 <stinkyfax> can i run open ttd server on linux? 15:00:47 <Markk> Yes 15:01:00 <stinkyfax> mind giving me any relatively easy guide on how to? :) 15:01:26 <planetmaker> ./openttd -D 15:01:35 <planetmaker> easy enough? 15:01:48 <Yexo> http://wiki.openttd.org/Dedicated_server 15:01:50 <stinkyfax> :) -D - dedicated? 15:02:03 <stinkyfax> Yexo: thanks 15:04:01 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.31.253.66] has joined #openttd 15:04:32 <stinkyfax> where can i get linux executables for open ttd? 15:04:59 <Alberth> openttd.org download ? 15:05:28 <stinkyfax> oh, thanks 15:05:35 <stinkyfax> though there is only windows 15:05:58 <Hirundo> nope 15:06:29 <Alberth> select something else than 'windows' in the dropdown box 15:07:34 <Alberth> for a server, you may want to use a 'stable' 15:07:54 <planetmaker> testing works fine, too 15:08:09 <planetmaker> nightly... might have very limited audience 15:08:25 <Alberth> but you stand out from the crowd :) 15:09:04 <stinkyfax> when I try to run deb file i get: 15:09:04 <stinkyfax> ./openttd-1.0.4-linux-debian-lenny-amd64.deb: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' 15:10:02 <kenneth> dpkg -i openttd-1.0.4 15:10:04 <dih> stinkyfax, now that is really funny 15:10:12 <dih> i am somewhat amuzed 15:10:15 <kenneth> dpkg -i openttd-1.0.4-linux-debian-lenny-amd64.deb 15:10:18 <kenneth> stinkyfax 15:10:20 <kenneth> use that command 15:10:22 <stinkyfax> :)) 15:10:35 <stinkyfax> i am having linux for 1 month :( 15:10:40 <thefiler> im at a total lost... downloaded install nightly... can modify the parameters of the disable industries, but everytime new stuff starts up 15:10:43 <Alberth> stinkyfax: better yet, learn about your package manager 15:10:43 <kenneth> when i run shutdown -r now my pc reboots 15:11:17 <kenneth> thefiler what platform are you playing on ? 15:11:35 <Alberth> thefiler: settings in the main menu have no influence on loaded games 15:11:49 <thefiler> windows 7 15:12:01 <thefiler> i've tried all possible ways, even scenarios 15:12:15 <kenneth> are you manually editting your config file, or are you doing it within game? 15:12:21 <planetmaker> thefiler: it only works on new games 15:12:35 <kenneth> hello planetmaker 15:12:40 <planetmaker> ho kenneth 15:12:46 <kenneth> got a 1.0.5 server up :D 15:12:48 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.31.253.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:52 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.31.253.66] has joined #openttd 15:13:00 <planetmaker> I doubt there's a 1.0.5 yet ;-) 15:13:23 <kenneth> release candidate 15:13:25 <kenneth> i apolagise 15:14:01 <thefiler> i've also tried it on new games 15:14:41 <Yexo> do you have other newgrfs loaded? 15:15:00 <dih> odd - i cannot get linux to run, ./linux-kernel-2.6.32-686.deb 15:15:53 <frosch123> @kick dih weird things happen when i use @kick 15:15:53 *** dih was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [weird things happen when i use @kick] 15:16:01 <stinkyfax> why would server require graphics set? 15:16:03 *** dih [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 15:16:06 <dih> :-P 15:16:25 <Alberth> stinkyfax: it contains more than just graphics 15:16:28 <frosch123> :) 15:16:43 <stinkyfax> Alberth: where do i put graphics set? 15:16:57 <Yexo> where readme.txt tells you to put it 15:16:58 <Alberth> stinkyfax: read the readme file 15:17:40 <Alberth> dih: duh, you have to write the file to the first sector of your HD :p 15:17:54 <dih> LOL 15:18:07 <dih> very nice addition, Alberth :-D 15:18:33 <Alberth> don't blame me, I just programmed it :) 15:18:50 <dih> you programmed the kernel? :-D 15:18:59 <stinkyfax> /usr/share/games/openttd# find **/*readme* 15:18:59 <stinkyfax> scripts/readme.txt 15:19:36 <Alberth> that's not how find works 15:19:54 <Alberth> find . -name "readme*" -print 15:20:17 <stinkyfax> aha :) thanks 15:21:32 *** saronpasu [~saronpasu@catv075-208.lan-do.ne.jp] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:22:42 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.31.253.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:25:59 <Ammler> opengfx has a nogfx branch 15:28:43 <stinkyfax> i've started server. when i try to query server from client i see "queried server" but yet it doesn't seem to be working 15:29:35 <stinkyfax> where do I put openttd.cfg file? 15:29:35 <Ammler> check servers.openttd.org 15:29:44 <stinkyfax> i have no openttd.cfg file 15:30:00 <Alberth> close down the program, and it writes one 15:30:07 <stinkyfax> ah 15:31:23 <stinkyfax> is there any good cfg for servers available? 15:31:49 <Ammler> the default cfg is fine 15:32:02 <dih> wiki.openttd.org 15:32:10 <dih> that'll be for your openttd related questions 15:32:11 <Qantourisc> I started at the translatios, but it's a tricky language :) "goods" would you see them as "goods as the thing" or "stuff to be transported" ? 15:32:20 <dih> for the linux related stuff: www.linuxqeuestions.org 15:32:20 *** thefiler [29871d36@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:33:13 <Ammler> default settings we change: http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Setdef 15:33:29 <AveiMil> Is proxy transporting possible? 15:33:45 <AveiMil> Transporting passengers from city A to the coast, and then from coast to city B by boat? 15:33:56 <Qantourisc> AveiMil: yes 15:34:02 <Ammler> halfish 15:34:06 <Qantourisc> AveiMil: using "transfer" at the unload order 15:34:06 <AveiMil> couldn't get that to work with passangers 15:34:10 <AveiMil> ah 15:34:11 <Qantourisc> AveiMil: however 15:34:14 <Qantourisc> make sure you don't load them :) 15:34:23 <Qantourisc> so transfer "and leave empry" 15:34:43 <Ammler> you should make 2 docks 15:34:45 <Qantourisc> unless the game is smart enough not to pick the old ones up to transfer them back :) 15:35:07 <Alberth> it is not that smart 15:35:24 <Alberth> AveiMil: look at feeder systems at the wiki 15:35:30 <Ammler> we need "station slots" :-) 15:35:39 <Alberth> ? 15:36:10 <Ammler> where you could define a slot for departure and one for arrival 15:36:36 <stinkyfax> do i put competitor speed to 0 for multiplayer? 15:37:05 <Ammler> just use defaults :-) 15:37:17 <Ammler> and adjust with playing 15:37:32 <AveiMil> But that does not work with subsidies transfer? 15:37:50 <AveiMil> or does it? 15:38:58 <Alberth> if it doesn't it sounds like a bug 15:39:32 <Alberth> I'd expect that it works, but never tried it 15:40:32 <Ammler> I am not sure, if authority should pay you, if you don't setup a direct route 15:41:24 <AveiMil> I noticed at least that the boat now says "passengers from (the proxy stop)" and not the city where the bus collected the passangers from 15:41:30 <AveiMil> so I'll guess it dosen't work with subsidies 15:41:33 <AveiMil> which is a shame 15:41:45 <Ammler> or a feature :-P 15:42:15 <AveiMil> haha, doubtful it was intentional 15:42:39 <AveiMil> can you change the maximum intrest level via a NewGRF? 15:42:40 <Alberth> don't be too sure, when you bring cargoes (like passengers) to the final destination, a final computation takes place 15:42:59 <Ammler> it's not the meaning to sponsor a route, where the passenger has to switch vehicle 10 times 15:43:14 <Hirundo> AveiMil: interest cannot be changed via grf 15:43:16 <AveiMil> (they're not real passengers) 15:43:17 <AveiMil> :D 15:43:37 <AveiMil> damn, why is it capped at 4%? 15:43:39 <Alberth> they are just collections of 0s and 1s :) 15:44:37 <Ammler> that is just my explaination, why it is a feature and not a bug, if it doesn't work :-) 15:44:50 <AveiMil> I'll start a new game and test it 15:44:58 <AveiMil> but back to the intrest, how can that be changed? 15:45:04 <AveiMil> it's odd it's capped at 4% 15:45:42 <Hirundo> Inflation is coupled to interest, else inflation would get too high 15:46:11 <Hirundo> resulting in nasty overflow bugs etc. 15:47:34 <AveiMil> Does inflation affect everything? 15:47:50 <AveiMil> Like building costs/running costs/pruchase cost and also income per passenger etc? 15:48:14 <planetmaker> yes 15:49:50 <AveiMil> does it affect maximum loan? 15:49:54 <AveiMil> or does that stay static? 15:53:14 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.9.61] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:15 <Qantourisc> What is the difference between maize and grain in openttd ? 15:53:58 <Qantourisc> AveiMil: the amount of money they pay go up as the years progress 15:54:01 *** Zen0x [~Zen0x@cm-84.211.233.232.getinternet.no] has joined #openttd 15:54:04 <Qantourisc> AveiMil: so i'm betting costs also go up 15:54:13 <Qantourisc> AveiMil: and stuff also gets more expensive so 15:54:19 <Hirundo> costs and income go up, but costs go faster 15:54:21 <Qantourisc> (to buy) 15:54:58 <Qantourisc> Ow wand the grain-maize question was not to be a prick, i need to know this to translate :D 15:55:00 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Grain http://wiki.openttd.org/Maize 15:55:07 * Qantourisc looks 15:55:16 <planetmaker> Qantourisc: it's different. But in effect the same thing ;-) 15:55:20 <AveiMil> eh? What I was wondering was if I have setting maximum loan set to 200,000 15:55:31 <AveiMil> after 50 years, due to inflation, will I be able to borrow more from the bank? 15:55:34 <AveiMil> or is that limit static? 15:55:40 <Qantourisc> planetmaker: i see 15:55:41 <Alberth> haha, picture is the same :) 15:55:48 <Qantourisc> planetmaker: does it occur in the same game ? 15:55:57 <planetmaker> not by default 15:55:58 <Qantourisc> planetmaker: or is it a differnt cargo-unit-type 15:56:17 <Qantourisc> otherwise i translate it twice the same, and otherwise i need to add a slight difference to the translation 15:56:29 <planetmaker> one is temperate climate, the other arctic. or alike 15:56:39 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Farm <-- lists the climates 15:56:46 <Qantourisc> planetmaker: is the cargo-type the same ? 15:57:02 <Qantourisc> check source code ? 15:57:21 <planetmaker> I can write you a wagon which works for MAIZE and fails for GRAIN 15:57:30 <Qantourisc> so differnt 15:57:37 <planetmaker> and make both available ingame 15:57:37 <Qantourisc> ok then i must translate it differntly 16:02:11 <AveiMil> nobody knows? 16:02:30 <Qantourisc> AveiMil: sorry i missed the question 16:02:39 <Qantourisc> AveiMil: if the maintaince cost goes up ? 16:02:48 <Alberth> AveiMil: apparently not 16:03:00 <Qantourisc> 'AveiMil: after 50 years, due to inflation, will I be able to borrow more from the bank?' <= that one ? 16:03:05 <Alberth> AveiMil: you can check the source code, or try it 16:03:16 <Qantourisc> iirc you can borrow more later 16:03:23 <Qantourisc> not 100% sure 16:03:32 <Alberth> yes, it is releated to the size of your company 16:03:55 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.31.253.66] has joined #openttd 16:06:10 <AveiMil> ok 16:09:52 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED67292.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:13:31 <stinkyfax> "no suitable ai's available" 16:13:56 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-58-188.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:10 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-50-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:16:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:16:27 <stinkyfax> what is subsidy multiplier? 16:17:04 <Spoons> The multiplier for subsidies. 16:17:15 <planetmaker> when you accept a subsidy, you get paid that factor more than you'd get paid for providing tha transport usually without the subsidy 16:17:43 <stinkyfax> i see, thanks :) 16:18:09 <planetmaker> usually not worth to look for subsidies ;-) 16:20:08 <stinkyfax> can't get AI to work :( 16:21:45 <planetmaker> download some. 16:21:58 <stinkyfax> tried PathZilla 16:22:00 *** Xyzzy_ [~Xyzzy@41.26.106.3] has joined #openttd 16:22:11 <stinkyfax> ow it seem to work 16:22:14 <stinkyfax> but very slow :) 16:22:14 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:24:16 <Terkhen> give it some time ;) 16:26:15 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.31.253.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:41 <planetmaker> also try different AI. They have different strengths and weaknesses 16:29:48 <AveiMil> item(FEAT_AIRCRAFT, SampsonU52, 0) { property { cost_factor: 14*param[50]/100; running_cost_factor: 85*param[55]/100; speed: 37; } } 16:29:59 <AveiMil> dosent look like I can set running_costs for aircraft using running_cost_factor 16:30:08 <AveiMil> any idea why it's different from trains/viehcles etc? 16:31:58 *** holyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 16:34:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:42 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B775B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:39 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-89-102-137-248.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:38:40 <AveiMil> I don't get it :( 16:38:51 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:57 <Hirundo> running_cost_factor should work like the other vehicle types 16:39:33 <Hirundo> except that there is a typo in the source ... 16:39:37 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 16:40:12 <Hirundo> I"ll add a fix later tonight 16:40:30 <AveiMil> what should I use now then? 16:41:00 <Hirundo> 0x0E should work 16:41:08 <Hirundo> instead of running_cost_factor 16:42:04 <AveiMil> nmlc: "input", line 255: Unknown property number: 14 16:42:58 <AveiMil> gave me that error 16:43:05 <AveiMil> 0x0E: 130*param[55]/100; 16:47:18 <AveiMil> any idea? 16:51:00 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:54:02 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has joined #openttd 16:54:27 *** avdg [~avdg@78-21-59-217.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:56:09 <AveiMil> Hirundo, 0x0E did not work :( 16:56:21 <AveiMil> I've gone through and tried with parameter numbers 1-15 now 16:56:23 <AveiMil> not working 16:56:50 *** Xyzzy_ [~Xyzzy@41.26.106.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:12 * AveiMil cries crocodile tears 17:06:00 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 17:06:46 <AveiMil> 'running_cost_factor' : {'size': 1, 'num': 0x0D}, 17:06:59 <AveiMil> tried that from the action0properties file 17:07:01 <AveiMil> but no dice 17:08:30 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:03 <AveiMil> Hirundo, what was the TYPO??! So I can use the typo'ed property? 17:11:30 <Hirundo> AveiMil: Change 0x0D to 0x0E on the line you cited above 17:11:53 <AveiMil> nmlc: "input", line 255: Unknown property number: 14 17:12:02 <AveiMil> that's what I get with 0x0E 17:12:12 <planetmaker> 'running_cost_factor' : {'size': 1, 'num': 0x0D}, 17:12:22 <Hirundo> should become 'running_cost_factor' : {'size': 1, 'num': 0x0E} 17:12:44 <AveiMil> oh in the nml source 17:12:51 *** holyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:58 <Hirundo> I'll commit a fix to nml 17:13:04 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:13:09 <Yexo> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Trains#Running_cost_base_0E_and_factor_0D_ <- lists the factor as 0x0D 17:13:54 <Yexo> oh, it's about aircraft, sorry 17:13:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:14:24 <AveiMil> that's much better, I did not understand you meant to fix the nml source 17:14:26 <planetmaker> good to have additional testers :-) 17:14:35 <AveiMil> so I used 0x0E in the item propert line 17:14:46 <AveiMil> now it works 17:14:53 <Yexo> don't, always use the name in your nml file 17:14:57 <planetmaker> AveiMil: can you create a tiny newgrf which defines all properties of a single plane? 17:15:45 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 17:16:12 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/984 <-- and make it available for us by attaching it to that topic? :-) 17:16:37 <AveiMil> not if you expect me to assign each property the default and correct value 17:16:46 <planetmaker> you'll help directly making sure that these problems you encounter get solved and _stay_ solved ;-) 17:16:47 <AveiMil> that took ages just for the three properties I already have :) 17:16:59 <planetmaker> I don't care really about the values really 17:17:07 <planetmaker> and only one plane, not all planes 17:17:28 <AveiMil> oh, that's easy then 17:26:44 <AveiMil> How do I upload? 17:27:59 <AveiMil> Tried to create an account. 17:28:06 <AveiMil> Says successful but can't seem to login 17:28:40 <AveiMil> http://www.aveimil.com/OpenTTD/Aircraft_Properties.zip 17:28:50 <AveiMil> planetmaker, uploaded it there 17:29:11 *** RjR [RjR@seagate.surgehost.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:23 <planetmaker> what's your account name at the devzone? 17:31:51 <AveiMil> AveiMil 17:32:30 <planetmaker> and... did you get the registration e-mail? 17:32:37 <AveiMil> ah, you have to activate 17:32:43 <AveiMil> the registration process did not mention that 17:33:12 <planetmaker> I think one has to 17:33:22 <planetmaker> otherwise it would be spammer's heaven 17:33:26 <AveiMil> logged in now 17:33:35 <AveiMil> but don't see any way to upload files to your link 17:34:08 <planetmaker> update at the buttom of the page should do the trick 17:35:51 <AveiMil> done 17:35:53 <AveiMil> hope that's fine 17:36:12 <planetmaker> thanks :-) 17:36:24 <AveiMil> np 17:39:41 <AveiMil> The early starting aircraft 17:39:46 <AveiMil> Don't seem very balanced. 17:40:23 <AveiMil> I don't see why you would ever choose one of the two taht's not Coleman Count 17:40:36 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 17:44:12 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 17:46:35 *** fjb is now known as Guest101 17:46:37 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD4C5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:51 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:53:32 *** Guest101 [~frank@p5DDFD35C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:03 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-50-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 17:55:05 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72ca03.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:02 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-50-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:57:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:02:09 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 18:05:54 <Eddi|zuHause> aircraft was always one of the least balanced (aka interesting) parts of the game 18:06:12 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:08:39 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:22 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 18:10:15 <AveiMil> that's something I intend to do fix 18:16:36 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 18:20:09 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:20:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21112 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Codechange: reduce the amount (of copying) variables 18:21:51 *** Keyboard_Warrior [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Quit: Forlater kanalen] 18:22:20 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 18:22:41 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:20 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2F6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:28:19 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5D66.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:17 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 18:30:34 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-67-91.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:30:46 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:36:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21113 /trunk/src/ (strgen/strgen.cpp strgen/strgen.h strings.cpp): -Codechange: remove the amount of places where the language pack identifier magic value is 18:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21114 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: basque - 11 changes by HerrBasque 18:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 18:45:42 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: german - 1 changes by planetmaker 18:45:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changes by IPG 18:45:43 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 4 changes by lorenzodv 18:46:58 <AveiMil> What the hell? Is the max reliablity of stuff RANDOM? 18:47:02 <AveiMil> I // Steam Engines 18:47:02 <AveiMil> item(FEAT_TRAINS, KirbyPaulTankSteam, 0) { property { cost_factor: 7*param[10]/100; running_cost_factor: 50*param[20]/100; } } // Temperate 18:47:02 <AveiMil> item(FEAT_TRAINS, ChaneyJubileeSteam, 8) { property { cost_factor: 13*param[10]/100; running_cost_factor: 120*param[20]/100; } } // Temperate 18:47:02 <AveiMil> item(FEAT_TRAINS, GinzuA4Steam, 9) { property { cost_factor: 19*param[10]/100; running_cost_factor: 140*param[20]/100; } } // Temperate 18:47:03 <AveiMil> item(FEAT_TRAINS, SH8PSteam, 10) { property { cost_factor: 22*param[10]/100; running_cost_factor: 130*param[20]/100; } } // Temperate 18:47:04 <AveiMil> item(FEAT_TRAINS, Wills280Steam, 7) { property { cost_factor: 14*param[10]/100; running_cost_factor: 130*param[20]/100; } } // Sub-Artic / Tropical 18:47:04 <AveiMil> item(FEAT_TRAINS, PloddyphutChooChoo, 2) { property { cost_factor: 10*param[10]/100; running_cost_factor: 90*param[20]/100; } } // Toyland 18:47:05 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55928dd9.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:47:06 <AveiMil> item(FEAT_TRAINS, PowernautChooChoo, 3) { property { cost_factor: 15*param[10]/100; running_cost_factor: 130*param[20]/100; } } // Toyland 18:47:06 <AveiMil> item(FEAT_TRAINS, MightymoverChooChoo, 4) { property { cost_factor: 19*param[10]/100; running_cost_factor: 145*param[20]/100; } } // Toyland 18:47:08 <AveiMil> // Diesel Engines 18:47:10 <AveiMil> ehhh whops ignore that 18:47:15 <AveiMil> every other game I create 18:47:21 <AveiMil> max reliablity of the airplanes differ 18:47:47 <planetmaker> yes, reliability is somewhat random 18:48:00 <AveiMil> that's not very good for balance 18:48:11 <planetmaker> it's very good for the re-play fun 18:48:13 <dih> the knowledge of pastebin is not very wide spread is it? 18:48:16 <Terkhen> AveiMil: http://www.pastebin.com/ 18:48:37 <AveiMil> I wasent supposed to paste that though 18:48:41 <AveiMil> shit+ins my mistake 18:48:45 <AveiMil> shift even 18:48:53 <AveiMil> by even 18:48:54 <AveiMil> jeez 18:49:04 <Terkhen> :D 18:49:05 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72ca03.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:14 <AveiMil> planetmaker, don't see how that adds to the replay fun 18:49:30 <AveiMil> might as well randomize the cost of everything too 18:49:32 <planetmaker> every game another vehicle is 'best' 18:49:40 <planetmaker> yes, might. But isn't. 18:50:07 <AveiMil> it's very hard to even know how much of a difference 5-10% max reliability makes in terms of cost effectiveness 18:50:13 <AveiMil> so I totally disagree 18:51:01 <AveiMil> there's no way to force the reliability 18:51:01 <AveiMil> ? 18:51:47 <planetmaker> switch off breakdowns 18:52:29 <AveiMil> that would make maintenance pointless 18:52:42 <dih> no it would not 18:53:28 <AveiMil> no? wear and tear affects speed perhaps 18:53:34 <dih> ... 18:53:40 <dih> rating 18:54:06 <dih> ^ that for your information is a keyword - go search 18:55:05 <AveiMil> "Each vehicle has a different reliability rating, which is related to the number of Breakdowns the vehicle can suffer. " 18:55:11 <AveiMil> that's all I see related to rating 18:55:20 <AveiMil> just say what your point is instead pelase 18:55:56 <dih> i'll expand the keyword: station rating 18:56:48 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f727666.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:07 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:57:24 <AveiMil> Max speed of last vehicle entering station and speed is effected by maintenance, is that what your trying to say? 18:58:44 <dih> better rated cargo pays better off 18:59:26 <dih> so if that rating at the station is influenced - it influences your pay 18:59:47 <AveiMil> is that a 'yes' to my question? 19:00:19 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 19:05:47 *** Zen0x [~Zen0x@cm-84.211.233.232.getinternet.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:11:44 <frosch123> AveiMil: newgrf do not affect the max-reliability of an engine. but they can set how fast the reliabilty drops for a vehicle 19:12:28 <AveiMil> ok ty for the tip 19:15:05 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f727666.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:16:46 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:16:54 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72d19f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:20:06 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 19:23:44 *** Chruker [~no@port113.ds1-vj.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 19:31:25 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-145-23.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 19:36:18 *** LaSeandre [~sean@millsie.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host98-95-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:38:38 <Wolf01> hello 19:40:40 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72d19f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:40:46 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72d19f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:26 *** LaSeandre [~sean@millsie.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:46 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-36.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:55 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a023:a7ce:84f3:1f61] has joined #openttd 20:00:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:00:58 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:49 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.9.61] has joined #openttd 20:09:04 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Quit: Quit] 20:09:23 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 20:14:50 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:20:01 <andythenorth_> why do trams have slightly higher friction coeffecient than trains? steel on steel.... 20:20:24 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 20:21:23 <Rubidium> rubber from cars on the tracks? 20:22:00 <SpComb> thicker air in the cities 20:22:03 <SpComb> or denser 20:23:33 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 20:39:25 <Alberth> are trolleys not also considered a tram? 20:39:33 <Alberth> +buses 20:39:58 <Terkhen> andythenorth_: I don't remember, those values where agreed while I was coding the improved acceleration for rv patch 20:41:05 <Terkhen> found it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_resistance#Rolling_resistance_coefficient_examples 20:41:54 <__ln__> what's the status of adding a distinct sign for tram stops? 20:42:29 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1D169.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:25 * Alberth was not aware of the existence of such an issue 20:45:49 <__ln__> it has been discussed here, at least. i doubt there's a formal bug report about it. 20:46:22 <Alberth> I am pretty often not here, so that is very well possible 20:47:16 <__ln__> here are some non-genuine screenshots to illustrate the idea: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/tramstops3.png http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/tramstops4.png 20:47:42 <__ln__> Eddi might have even a better icon for a tram... 20:48:04 <planetmaker> __ln__: then you need (also) a separate icon for reach track type 20:48:06 <Hirundo> What about freight trams? 20:48:46 <planetmaker> or at least incompatible train track type 20:49:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:16 <__ln__> planetmaker: why? 20:49:25 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 20:49:30 <planetmaker> consistency? 20:49:46 <planetmaker> or why should trams get their own symbol, but maglevs not? 20:50:33 <__ln__> because in real life trams have their own symbol (except in germany), while maglevs don't (because all maglev projects got cancelled). 20:51:22 <planetmaker> realism seldomly has been a good support argument ;-) 20:51:50 <__ln__> planetmaker: anyway, a tram is not a bus, but a maglev is still a train. 20:51:59 <planetmaker> is it? 20:52:17 <__ln__> i don't know, never rode one. 20:52:20 <planetmaker> I dare say the means of transport are similiarily distinct 20:52:52 <__ln__> I dare say being symbolised with the icon of a bus is an insult against trams. 20:53:19 <planetmaker> as is for maglevs being symbolized as a steam train. as is for helis to be symbolized as a plane etc pp 20:53:48 * SpComb yawns 20:53:51 <planetmaker> honestly I don't see a 'just add the tram symbol' happening 20:53:53 <SpComb> seems I created myself a maintenance burden 20:54:12 <SmatZ> trams are just baby trains 20:54:13 <planetmaker> while a separate symbol for each means of transport - might be a nice option 20:54:43 <__ln__> planetmaker: sillier things have 'happened' in the past... 20:54:44 <planetmaker> someone woke SmatZ ;-) hi 20:54:54 <SmatZ> hello planetmaker :) 20:54:57 <planetmaker> did someone say beer? ;-) 20:55:19 <__ln__> yes, a distinct sign for trams and beer 20:55:29 <SmatZ> nope :) I am reading this place all the day, I am just not saying anything :) 20:55:35 <planetmaker> yeah... I'm quite happy andy re-considered beer for FIRS 20:55:38 <SmatZ> :-) 20:55:41 <planetmaker> :-) 20:55:58 * andythenorth_ wants a symbol specific to dump trucks 20:56:01 <andythenorth_> and one for tractor 20:56:10 <planetmaker> for floats 20:56:16 <planetmaker> and hovercraft 20:56:20 <planetmaker> and catemaran 20:56:30 <planetmaker> passenger vs. goods ships 20:57:17 <andythenorth_> planetmaker: beer in FIRS 0.5.3? 20:57:24 <planetmaker> is there? 20:57:38 * Alberth ponders a green hovering diamond above a tram-stop 20:57:45 <planetmaker> Dunno... I for unknown reasons like particularily fish and beer as cargo :-) 20:57:57 <andythenorth_> fish, chips and beer 20:57:59 <Alberth> fish and chips :) 20:58:02 <andythenorth_> potatoes are an important crop 20:58:07 <andythenorth_> maybe we add them 20:58:07 <planetmaker> must be because those were the first cargos I had fun on MP servers :-) 20:59:47 <__ln__> would everyone be happy if the current bus icon was just given a pantograph? 21:00:10 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:03:22 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21115 /trunk/src/strgen/strgen.cpp: -Codechange: make it more clear that genders and cases in the base translation are not supported 21:04:44 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1a721.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:10 <planetmaker> __ln__: it would have the big disadvantage of "where are the trams?" in plain OpenTTD 21:05:11 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 21:05:26 <planetmaker> so... I'd be unhappy ;-) 21:06:22 <__ln__> isn't there already the "where are the trams?" disadvantage, as trams are hinted about in the road construction menu, but it's disabled. 21:10:11 <michi_cc> andythenorth_: The rolling friction in the game stands for all related resistances like curve resistance for example. And tram tracks generally have sharper curves than rail. 21:10:41 <andythenorth_> ok 21:11:39 <michi_cc> And if you want more reasoning you can also imagine the tram tracks to be less stable (and thus have more deformation). But in the end the only real explanation is better game balance :) 21:15:26 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72d19f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:22 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:58 *** ar3k [~ident@87-239-75-101.internetia.net.pl] has joined #openttd 21:23:53 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f7251a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:46:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r21116 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Add [FS#3012]: Reduce the chances to accidentially break savegames with NewGRFs 21:50:51 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 21:51:20 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.216.29] has joined #openttd 21:52:28 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:58:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.205.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:42 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 22:07:51 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 22:07:51 *** George is now known as Guest125 22:07:52 *** George|2 is now known as George 22:11:19 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-230.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 22:12:18 *** Guest125 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:56 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA066.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:02 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 22:18:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D169.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 22:18:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D169.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:20:50 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has quit [] 22:23:29 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:27 *** last_evolution [~last_evol@ip-89-102-137-248.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:29 *** macee [macee@macee.vpk.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 22:27:48 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-50-254.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:30:05 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-58-21.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:30:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:35:00 *** macee [macee@macee.vpk.bme.hu] has left #openttd [] 22:44:13 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-58-21.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:45:25 <Terkhen> good night 22:46:25 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-83-187.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:46:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:46:42 <planetmaker> good night Terkhen 22:47:54 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has quit [Quit: -a-] 22:48:13 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has joined #openttd 22:51:34 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-184.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:51:55 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has quit [] 22:58:42 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has joined #openttd 22:59:50 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f7251a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:03:03 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has quit [] 23:03:26 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has joined #openttd 23:08:23 *** Xyzzy_ [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has joined #openttd 23:08:24 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6829.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:25 *** Xyzzy_ [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:44 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has joined #openttd 23:16:03 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 23:19:26 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has quit [] 23:25:11 <Hirundo> planetmaker: You committed one of your ponies :) ? 23:25:13 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has joined #openttd 23:25:21 <planetmaker> :-P 23:25:35 <planetmaker> indeed 23:30:13 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:37:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D169.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:21 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has joined #openttd 23:45:07 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:46:48 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:14 *** Xyzzy_ [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has joined #openttd 23:51:42 *** Xyzzy_ [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52:10 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has joined #openttd 23:58:05 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-36.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:27 *** Xyzzy [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:58:53 *** Xyzzy_ [~Xyzzy@41.29.160.62] has joined #openttd