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00:06:22 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8543.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:30 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:32 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:46 <Wolf01> 'night and merry xmas to everybody 00:10:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host57-20-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:14:03 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.140.52] has quit [Quit: bed now] 00:31:52 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:32:00 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:32:30 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 00:34:02 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:40:19 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.197.32] has quit [Quit: Merry yuletide mid-winter solstice holiday festival of possible religious significance] 00:54:23 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 01:00:22 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B560.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45:54 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@adsl-99-64-233-244.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 01:48:57 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:03:16 *** clum [~clum@92.0.201.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:20:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-200-16.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:27:26 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 02:33:07 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:35:04 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-43-157.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 02:40:52 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-34-229.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:46:00 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:70b3:7ff8:cde6:3919] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:52:27 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 03:40:12 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B763EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75E15.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:11:39 <Terkhen> good morning and merry christmas! 07:20:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.128.38] has joined #openttd 08:23:20 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21630 /trunk/projects/determineversion.vbs: -Fix (r20308, r21615): version detection of subversion branches and tags got broken 08:23:24 <Rubidium> +for Windows 08:27:02 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:36:42 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 08:36:44 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 08:48:59 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:49:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:14:46 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 09:20:29 <TrueBrain> and that on xmas day :D 09:30:06 <Zuu> Just for information, the ftp.snt.utwente.nl mirror seem to not have synced last nightly. Hopefully next nightly will work as usal. 09:30:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:44:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.128.38] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 09:45:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.128.38] has joined #openttd 09:47:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CC61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:01:52 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B6A8.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:33 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-35-157.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:10:48 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-43-157.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:12:43 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 10:23:25 *** clum [~clum@92.0.201.40] has joined #openttd 10:59:05 *** Tennel [~Tennel@p3EE351D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:59:33 *** KouDy [~KouDy@118.101.155.24] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:06:18 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-75-247.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:08:03 *** ecke [~ecke@211.143.broadband13.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:16:58 <fjb> Moin, fröhliches Konsumfest, happy consumption celebration. 11:20:47 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 11:21:11 <IchGuckLive> Hi all ,Happy holyday around the world B) 11:21:28 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... anyone learned proper grammar in school? anyone can explain to me the discrepancy between "sich erschrecken" -> "ich habe mich erschrocken" [strong verb] and "jmd. erschrecken" -> "ich habe dich erschreckt" [weak verb]? 11:21:59 <IchGuckLive> im stock i a nother signal problem -> http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/251210121916_blocked_station.png 11:22:12 <IchGuckLive> Eddi|zuHause: not me ! O.o 11:23:00 <Eddi|zuHause> IchGuckLive: you don't have signals at the end of the platform 11:23:12 <IchGuckLive> the train in the picture blocks the hole Station only one train can be in at the time igot PBS-oneway at the entrence and out to all tracks 11:23:51 <IchGuckLive> Eddi|zuHause: whitch shoudt i put there 11:24:01 <Eddi|zuHause> IchGuckLive: two-way path signals 11:24:17 <IchGuckLive> i try 11:24:20 <IchGuckLive> Thanks 11:25:01 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [] 11:27:00 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:33:08 <ccfreak2k> <TomyLobo> dont ask a german about german grammar rules 11:33:09 <ccfreak2k> <TomyLobo> we just apply them, we dont necessarily know them 11:33:12 <ccfreak2k> So much for that. 11:36:10 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: that's why i asked in a non-german channel! 11:36:35 <ccfreak2k> Yeah apparently Germans don't have as much interest in the whys as English-speakers do. 11:37:00 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: it has nothing to do with German vs. English 11:37:08 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.197.32] has joined #openttd 11:37:09 <ccfreak2k> I didn't say it did. 11:37:09 <Eddi|zuHause> ccfreak2k: it has to do with native vs. non-native 11:37:25 <__ln__> Eddi|zuHause: the mirror seems to know: http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/zwiebelfisch/0,1518,314546,00.html 11:39:00 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: it doesn't really explain why either... 11:39:08 <__ln__> true 11:49:08 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 11:49:56 <IchGuckLive> Eddi|zuHause: keine gute idee ->http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/251210124835_Big_miss_again.png 11:50:13 <IchGuckLive> the trains now move up to the platform and block it 11:50:39 <Eddi|zuHause> IchGuckLive: that signal is turned the wrong way 11:50:46 <IchGuckLive> witch 11:51:07 <IchGuckLive> in front of 41 11:51:26 <Eddi|zuHause> IchGuckLive: signals must be facing the platform 11:51:56 <IchGuckLive> the red part facing the platform 11:52:41 <__ln__> a witch?! where?? 11:53:47 <IchGuckLive> __ln__: B) O.O 12:08:45 <Eddi|zuHause> IchGuckLive: the signal isn't much use when the driver can't see it, is it? 12:09:02 <IchGuckLive> agree 12:20:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21631 /trunk/src/pathfinder/opf/opf_ship.cpp: (log message trimmed) 12:20:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#4325]: ships with the old pathfinder would easily show up as lost, even 12:20:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: when it would eventually find a path. Now also the distance from the "end" of 12:20:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: the pathfinding run to the destination is compared to the current distance to 12:20:32 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: the destination; if the distance to the destination at the end of the pathfinder 12:20:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: run is less than the current distance from the destination the ship won't be 12:20:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: marked as lost. This means that the ships with the old pathfinder will less 12:21:52 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.58.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:49 <IchGuckLive> Question what can i doo to make a Town take goods i piled up at a station many of them but thewre is no city within 100tiles to take it 12:25:01 <IchGuckLive> there are 4 citys of <400people around 12:25:02 <Alberth> make it grow, deliver passengers in the town 12:25:13 <Alberth> eg a few buses 12:25:28 <Alberth> or look further than 100 tiles :) 12:25:40 <IchGuckLive> thanks 12:26:27 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.58.174] has joined #openttd 12:26:29 *** Brianett1 [~brian@78-105-191-76.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:27:25 <Alberth> if you click at the town, sometimes the window displays cargoes that it needs to grow 12:27:38 <Alberth> (only in climates where that is relevant) 12:28:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@212.183.128.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:29:34 <IchGuckLive> can i transport goods with ships 12:29:52 <Terkhen> yes 12:29:57 <Alberth> I think so 12:30:27 <Alberth> open the ship vehicle list, and look at the ships you can buy (a button at the bottom somewhere) 12:30:28 <IchGuckLive> ok does a ship station need any access to a train or road the pattern gives me it takes goods 12:31:20 <IchGuckLive> there is direct a housee behind the place where i will put it 12:32:05 <Alberth> just before you place the dock, the placement window shows whether goods are accepted 12:32:30 <IchGuckLive> i now that 12:32:47 <Alberth> I don't understand the question then 12:33:05 <IchGuckLive> so it does not matter if there is any following thing beond 12:33:34 <Alberth> dock is just a station for ships, it follows the same rules as all other stations 12:35:52 <IchGuckLive> ok i made a channel to the goodds producer 12:36:03 <IchGuckLive> by landscaping 12:38:32 <IchGuckLive> hovercraft does not take goods thats bad 12:38:55 <z-MaTRiX> hey-ho 12:43:17 <Alberth> if you are in a hurry, trains are faster than ships 12:43:30 <Alberth> z-MaTRiX: ho-hey 12:44:14 <IchGuckLive> but a train has to go araund the hole 3/4 map 12:44:39 <z-MaTRiX> why cant hovercraft hover on land? :( 12:45:21 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:47:13 <Mazur> Because there are no harbour-ramps. 12:47:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r21632 /trunk/src/ (viewport.cpp window.cpp): -Codechange: call ResetObjectToPlace() even when current place_mode is HT_NONE 12:47:24 <Mazur> Only quays. 12:48:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: smatz * r21633 /trunk/src/order_gui.cpp: -Fix (r21616): newly created skip-to order was created at wrong place 12:49:51 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21634 /trunk/ (config.lib src/os/unix/unix.cpp): -Codechange: apparantly the "broken" iconv interface is the new official interface, so update the variable/definition naming slightly as it's not broken just different from the earlier iconv interface 12:57:51 <IchGuckLive> what is heli +Depo 13:01:39 <Eddi|zuHause> a heliport with a depot (to buy/maintain helicopters), obviously 13:04:50 <glevans2> Merry Christmas all 13:05:41 <IchGuckLive> got it thanks and end for today BY 13:05:54 *** IchGuckLive [~chatzilla@88-134-59-132-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100423140709]] 13:08:17 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 13:12:13 <roboboy> gnight 13:21:30 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 13:35:24 <Sacro> merry christmas everyoneast 13:37:00 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:47 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:21 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host103-157-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:51:37 <Alberth> good afternoon 13:51:44 <Wolf01> hello :D 13:52:23 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:36:42 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e871:6436:dfed:2f80] has joined #openttd 14:36:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:51:49 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host103-157-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:51:49 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest2273 14:51:49 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 14:57:11 *** Guest2273 [~wolf01@host103-157-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:07 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:21 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 15:02:17 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:10 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.62.161] has joined #openttd 15:13:16 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21635 /trunk/src/os/windows/ottdres.rc.in: -Change: simplify/reduce release preparations/changes 15:42:09 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-18-197.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 15:43:24 *** KouDy [~KouDy@121.121.133.193] has joined #openttd 15:51:33 <Wolf01> he's working on xmas :| 15:53:26 <Rubidium> Christmas is in two weeks 15:53:40 <Rubidium> or so "they" say 15:57:36 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@118.100.116.217] has joined #openttd 15:58:17 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@121.121.133.193] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:10 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.62.161] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:19 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:35:41 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@118.100.116.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@118.100.116.217] has joined #openttd 16:39:41 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 16:45:14 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:59 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@82.95.127.26] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:06 *** KouDy [~KouDy@118.100.116.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:27:53 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-226-198.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:30:29 *** Tennel [~Tennel@p3EE351D1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:34:34 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:34:44 <Nite> Hi 17:35:07 <Nite> i wonder about setting the parameterst of basecostmod3 17:35:24 <Nite> when is set 119 17:35:45 <Alberth> I think you should first look for the author :) 17:35:46 <Nite> how does the system know i want 1 and 19 and not 11 and 9 ?? 17:36:17 <Nite> well i hope someone is here who uses it and knows 17:36:39 <Alberth> if you have more than one parameter, you should add a comma in between afaik 17:36:46 <glx> or a space 17:37:00 <Nite> ok i was misunderstood 17:37:16 <Nite> i only have one parameter 17:37:37 <Nite> it should use id one and multiply it 17:37:47 <Nite> so 111 17:38:29 <glx> I guess this newgrf has a readme 17:38:35 <Nite> it has 17:38:41 <Nite> but it doesent explain it 17:39:11 <Nite> so 111 is DI1 ond multiplied 3 times 17:39:46 <Nite> but how does it know it is not ID11 halfed 9 times ? 17:40:27 <glx> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/BaseCosts_NewGRF <-- the screenshot shows more than one parameter 17:40:44 <Alberth> perhaps they interpret the number themselves (ie divide by 100 -> get '1') 17:40:44 <Nite> yes it does 17:40:55 <Nite> but you can use as many parameters as u want 17:41:33 <Nite> every parameter describes the iD yof costs you want to multiply (or hlaf) 17:41:59 <Alberth> your best chance is to either ask the author, or decode the grf to nfo, and read that 17:42:04 <Nite> and how much you want to multiply it 17:43:01 <Nite> ok sry its pairs of parameters 17:43:01 <Alberth> it looks like an internal interpretation issue that few people besides the author know 17:43:39 <glx> it's id exp+8 id exp+8 id exp+8 17:43:46 <glx> if I read correctly 17:44:53 <glx> so 1 9 doubles build track cost, 1 7 halves it 17:46:06 <glx> and you can't multiply 3 times ;) 17:46:34 <Nite> i meant useing the power of 2 3 times 17:47:07 <glx> so 1 11 for build track * 8 17:47:08 <Nite> now i know that pairs of params are used everything is clear 17:48:17 <Nite> 1 10 woudl be ID1 * xxx³ ? 17:48:23 <Nite> ;) 17:48:41 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:48:41 <glx> ID1 * 4 17:48:47 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0cefca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:53 <glx> (old * 2^2) 17:49:33 <Nite> ig et it it is just hard to write it down ;) 17:50:40 <Nite> thx vm anyway ... 17:52:24 <planetmaker> new_val_param1 = old_val_param1 * 2^(param2-8) 17:52:41 <planetmaker> always in those pairs of param1 and param2. 17:52:47 <planetmaker> param1 is a base cost ID 17:53:02 <planetmaker> and param2 the new value. Where a value of 8 is the default for *cost values 17:53:07 <planetmaker> IIRC 17:59:46 <Nite> guess thats it 18:00:21 <Nite> again i only overread that bascostmod uses PAirs of params ... 18:00:29 *** Brianett1 is now known as Brianetta 18:00:53 <Nite> ah brienetta is still alive ;) 18:16:55 *** fjb is now known as Guest2287 18:16:56 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFCC68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:17:45 <Eddi|zuHause> <Rubidium> Christmas is in two weeks <- Jesus' birth probably wasn't in december at all, and almost certainly not 2010 years ago. 18:21:50 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0cefca.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:35 <Nite> and jesus "probably" also wasn't born without mary having sexual intercourse ... 18:23:47 *** Guest2287 [~frank@p5DDFD2EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:06 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:26:57 <peter1138> In two weeks isn't in December either :D 18:29:37 <Nite> some say 2013 was last year 18:32:30 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: well, it is, if you count in julian calendar :p 18:35:45 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:43:14 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.62.161] has joined #openttd 18:43:34 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0cefca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:22 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.197.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21636 /trunk/src/lang/ (esperanto.txt polish.txt slovenian.txt turkish.txt): 18:45:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: esperanto - 10 changes by Christopher 18:45:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: polish - 6 changes by wojteks86 18:45:29 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: slovenian - 1 changes by ntadej 18:45:31 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: turkish - 3 changes by niw3 18:46:11 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.8.197.32] has joined #openttd 18:59:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-170-254-62.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:01:07 <andythenorth> did christmas get shipped yet? 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19:48:19 <Alberth> hai 19:48:31 <ZirconiumX> Hello, good sir 19:49:19 <ZirconiumX> (you always call a dev/mod sir, you don't know what they may do...) 19:49:35 <ZirconiumX> How are you? 19:49:39 <Alberth> albert is fine too :) 19:50:17 <Alberth> just making random changes in code, trying to figure out how to change it :) 19:50:31 <ZirconiumX> Right, I guess the thing that I have to bring up, though I hate having to, is my pathfinder 19:50:43 <ZirconiumX> meh, randomness is the spice of life 19:51:37 <Alberth> don't know whether I can help you, but give it a shot 19:52:40 <ZirconiumX> I want to create nodes in a arrangement that will be show in the pastebin afterwards, O is no node, X is node there 19:53:24 <ZirconiumX> http://mibpaste.com/GRz0lw 19:53:35 <Rubidium> SAC'll like that :) 19:53:58 <ZirconiumX> meh, hello other good sir 19:54:14 <ZirconiumX> *random tic tac toe* 19:54:27 <planetmaker> moin 19:54:36 <ZirconiumX> Hello PM 19:55:13 <ZirconiumX> *excited at the fact I'm talking to the guys who let me play 1.1.0-beta1* 19:55:43 <ZirconiumX> I have many identities, the one you may recognise on the forums is OTTDmaster 19:56:44 <ZirconiumX> I personally think I need to talk to TrueBrain about my AI 19:57:14 <ZirconiumX> After all, he wrote the road pathfinder 19:57:20 <ZirconiumX> or Yexo 19:57:42 <ZirconiumX> but he doesn't appear to be here 19:58:00 * planetmaker points at the date... 19:58:16 * TrueBrain points at his reply to the PM he received earlier today ... 19:58:19 <ZirconiumX> Xmas day, I know! 19:58:32 <ZirconiumX> *apologises 19:58:46 <ZirconiumX> *goes off to play with Xmas toys* 19:59:02 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21638 /trunk/src/viewport.cpp: -Codechange (r1): Simplify testing that outersize.x is bigger than 0. 19:59:15 <TrueBrain> you sure it is r1, or pre-r1? :D 19:59:25 <ZirconiumX> heh 19:59:31 <Alberth> pre r1 :) 19:59:38 <ZirconiumX> rUNKNOWN as PM put it 20:00:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21639 /trunk/src/ (gfx.cpp table/palettes.h): -Codechange: simplify setting the colour remap 20:00:35 <ZirconiumX> woot two updates in two minutes 20:00:36 <planetmaker> did I? 20:00:44 <Rubidium> rtoolongago 20:00:49 <ZirconiumX> in openttdcoop? 20:01:28 <Eddi|zuHause> kids are so easy to impress at christmas time. 20:01:34 <Alberth> ZirconiumX: it's my first commit today! 20:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it's adorable. 20:02:11 <ZirconiumX> put this in my sig 20:02:19 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21640 /trunk/src/ (gfx.cpp gfx_type.h): -Change/Feature-ish: allow disabling the shading when drawing text 20:02:36 <ZirconiumX> 3 updates in 3 20:02:43 <ZirconiumX> lol 20:02:57 <ZirconiumX> Change/Feature-*ish*| 20:03:01 <Alberth> you get these bursts every now and then 20:03:27 <ZirconiumX> I'm a witness to three changes of the trunk 20:03:30 <ZirconiumX> lol 20:03:39 <Eddi|zuHause> -ish is Rubidium's favourite word-ending 20:04:02 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yes-ish :) 20:04:03 <ZirconiumX> :bow: 20:04:34 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but I especially like km-ish/h :) 20:04:47 <planetmaker> ZirconiumX: if we have an average of about 7 to 8 per day, it has to be done somewhen... 20:04:52 <ZirconiumX> I've been doing AI debugging, and it's impossible to know the difference between { and ( 20:05:14 <Eddi|zuHause> use a better editor 20:05:22 <Eddi|zuHause> one that lets you select fonts 20:05:27 <ZirconiumX> AI Debug menu... 20:05:45 <Eddi|zuHause> oh. that you mean. 20:05:50 <ZirconiumX> courier in plain text suits me fine 20:05:54 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you can select fonts for the game as well ;) 20:06:00 <ZirconiumX> courier-ish 20:06:21 <ZirconiumX> *makkes note to do improved font for openGFX* 20:06:57 <ZirconiumX> *no-one really cares about ^^* 20:07:01 *** ecke [~ecke@211.143.broadband13.iol.cz] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 20:07:23 <ZirconiumX> I GTG 20:07:30 <Alberth> wouldn't running with -d ai=2 or so be more useful? 20:07:39 <ZirconiumX> Mac 20:07:49 <ZirconiumX> that setting doesn't work on mac 20:08:03 <planetmaker> it does quite well 20:08:13 <Alberth> more likely, you don't know how to enter it :) 20:08:20 * Eddi|zuHause mumbles something about cliche 20:08:26 <ZirconiumX> I go to a homebrew patched version 20:08:37 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: don't bother, we know :) 20:08:46 <ZirconiumX> it somehow does the debug console 20:09:06 <ZirconiumX> that guy, ecke 20:09:15 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: can you explain https://github.com/fonsinchen/openttd-cargodist/blob/patches/auto-orders_r21635.diff#L258 to me? 20:09:45 <ZirconiumX> If you listen more, and become wiser, then if you quit, do you become dumber? 20:09:48 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: I've also made so small changes/improvements to that diff, see http://rbijker.net/openttd/auto_orders.diff 20:10:38 <Rubidium> IIRC it was automatic orders not being removed when a station was removed, and thus showing invalid station and later a completely different station 20:10:46 <ZirconiumX> anyway, see you if/when I do. 20:10:51 <ZirconiumX> Bye! 20:10:54 <Alberth> bye 20:10:54 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 20:11:03 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-199-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:09 <Rubidium> and the departure/arrival times not being shown when there were some automatic orders 20:13:44 <Alberth> good night 20:13:51 <planetmaker> good night, Alberth 20:14:04 <Rubidium> moi moi Alberth 20:14:27 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:14:30 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:57 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: I ask you to explain that change because you end up with if (expression) break; break;, i.e. the if statement is completely removed 20:15:19 <Rubidium> and that doesn't sound okay to me; the if has to be placed there for some reason 20:19:03 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... the kid really put seven random IRC lines in his sig? 20:21:28 * fonsinchen is thinking 20:23:19 <fonsinchen> I had a reason for that break/return thing ... 20:24:40 <fonsinchen> we don't want to increment the order index if we haven't reached the destination station 20:24:52 <fonsinchen> as the order _index_ always points to the next manual order 20:25:05 <fonsinchen> the current_order is the actual (possibly automatic) order 20:25:37 <fonsinchen> this is why I changed it to return. The only thing happening in that function after this statement is IncrementOrderIndex after all. 20:26:25 <fonsinchen> oh, I actually changed it the other way round. 20:26:35 * fonsinchen has to think about that some more. 20:27:01 <Eddi|zuHause> is there [gui] functionality to turn an automatic order into a manual order? 20:27:54 <fonsinchen> you can delete and recreate it 20:28:16 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not really what i had in mind :p 20:29:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean something like: you let it make one round, and then click a button to "fix" the schedule 20:29:59 <Eddi|zuHause> also, autofill timetable could work like that. 20:30:18 <fonsinchen> Rubidium: actually it's the other way round. The Vehicle::current_order is always the next manual order. Vehicle::cur_order_index points to the real next (possibly automatic) order. 20:30:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it always records the last trip time, and at any point you please you might click on "fix this timetable" 20:30:54 <fonsinchen> So at that place we have to increment the order index, no matter if the station we have reached is the final destination of the current order or only a stop in-between 20:31:20 <fonsinchen> Of course I could have just removed that line, but somehow I didn't get that idea. 20:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause> this has the advantage that you also get a hint about arrival times at automatic orders 20:32:23 <fonsinchen> Eddi|zuHause: This shouldn't be too hard to implement but I don't want to bloat the patch. 20:33:30 <Wolf01> mmmh, I might need a "go-via xyz if not busy" 20:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: formulate "busy" in terms that are evaluatable in conditional orders? 20:34:35 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... that's probably not a word :p 20:35:13 <Wolf01> when you are "waiting for free path" and the next block contains your "go-via" waypoint/station 20:35:50 <Wolf01> I'm sure I can do the same work by balancing the penalties 20:36:28 <Eddi|zuHause> that's really something you should leave to the pathfinder penalties 20:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause> or possibly restricted/programmable signals 20:48:45 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-199-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49:52 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-199-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 20:54:34 <planetmaker> picasa's face recognition is frighteningly good... 21:01:16 *** Brianett1 [~brian@78-105-191-76.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:01:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@78-105-191-76.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:05 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-170-254-62.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:15:20 <andythenorth> how much does a passenger weigh? 21:15:23 <andythenorth> or how many per t 21:15:47 <fonsinchen> Rubidium: I've cleaned up the dead code in vehicle.cpp, applied your changes and pushed a new version. 21:15:50 <fonsinchen> thanks a lot. 21:16:07 <Wolf01> mmm auto-orders started to break my orders, I use non-stop and auto orders between the last one and the non-stop one make trains stop at every station 21:16:18 <peter1138> 1/16th of a tonne 21:16:34 <andythenorth> win win 21:16:56 <fonsinchen> Wolf01: can I see a savegame, please? 21:16:59 <peter1138> which is a pretty reasonable figure 21:17:00 <Wolf01> I need to manually set non-stop to all auto-orders 21:17:07 * andythenorth thinks a ferry that carries 218 PAX probably doesn't refit to just 13t of cargo though :) 21:17:14 <andythenorth> something in between 21:17:23 <peter1138> no :) 21:17:32 <peter1138> something in between? 21:18:31 <fonsinchen> Wolf01: the behaviour shouldn't change with auto-orders, only the visualization. 21:19:10 <Wolf01> now trains stop in the station I use for reversing, before they didn't 21:19:49 <fonsinchen> I'd like to see a savegame, so that I can examine the problem. 21:20:24 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/ttsaves/Wolfolo_Movings.sav 21:20:29 * andythenorth hopes for a new landscape generator for christmas 21:20:56 <andythenorth> incidentally, I couldn't find a varaction 2 to check the system datetime 21:21:27 <andythenorth> I was thinking of some seasonal industries :P 21:21:28 <fonsinchen> what version is that? 21:21:43 <andythenorth> christmas tree farming chain, only available one day of the year 21:21:54 <Wolf01> nightly, 21636 21:22:21 <fonsinchen> that doesn't have auto-orders 21:22:35 <Wolf01> really? 21:22:40 <fonsinchen> so probably nightly 21636 with auto-orders patch applied? 21:22:45 <fonsinchen> which patch then? 21:22:50 <Wolf01> no patches 21:23:09 <Wolf01> I have orders with an (S) which there weren't 21:23:43 <fonsinchen> That must be something different. 21:24:42 <fonsinchen> this is not a savegame for plain 21636 21:24:54 <fonsinchen> can you tell me the version string from the main GUI please? 21:25:58 <Wolf01> it's plain r21636, I just dlded it 21:26:37 <fonsinchen> ah, well, the savegame isn't fully downloaded, yet ... 21:26:39 * fonsinchen blushes 21:26:57 <Wolf01> maybe you need to download "some" grf 21:29:46 <fonsinchen> well, 15 minutes ... the server isn't that fast, is it? 21:30:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i've had downloads that take 2 weeks :p 21:30:43 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2DB6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:31:56 <Wolf01> I can upload at 10-15kb/s max 21:36:18 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-199-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:48 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@ip-199-139-106-77.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:04 <Wolf01> uhm, the orders with that (S) are from a waypoint (N)orth and (S)outh, maybe I loaded the wrong savegame 21:46:18 *** andythenorth [~andy@host86-170-254-62.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 22:10:11 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 22:10:30 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:51 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [] 22:11:33 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 22:21:46 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 22:29:01 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:29:48 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:04 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:44:57 <kamnet> Merry Christmas all :-) 22:45:57 <clum> merry xmas 22:46:17 <__ln__> ho-ho-ho 22:47:13 <kamnet> Anybody wanna help ol kamnet code up some fake road pieces as a NewObject :-) 22:48:21 * kamnet hears crickets 22:51:04 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:51:20 <Eddi|zuHause> if you hear crickets at sub-zero temperatures, you're probably going crazy :p 22:51:55 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-213-220-225-182.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:52:14 <fonsinchen> They're living under my bed. No sub-zero temperatures there. 22:52:52 <kamnet> There's no accounting of my mental state :D 22:53:20 <Eddi|zuHause> well, in that case, you're probably getting crazy simply from hearing crickets all the time :p 22:53:44 <Eddi|zuHause> you're just switching out the symptom for the cause :p 22:53:59 <kamnet> Hm. Quite possibly. Especially this one on my shoulder who keeps trying to sway me from getting in trouble 22:55:24 <z-MaTRiX> hey-hoo 22:57:01 <planetmaker> kamnet: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/repository/entry/regression/015_basic_object.nml 23:00:39 *** ZiPA [~LegionUse@145-85.vpn.aichyna.com] has joined #openttd 23:01:23 <kamnet> I understand NML even less than I understand GRFCodec ;-) 23:01:33 <planetmaker> tough luck 23:01:42 <kamnet> Then again, I've completely forgotten everything about GRFCodec at this point 23:01:49 <kamnet> *grin* 23:05:11 <planetmaker> too tired, good night :-) 23:05:19 <Xaroth> nn 23:05:20 <kamnet> Goodnight 23:05:26 <kamnet> slweep well 23:07:28 *** SmatZ is now known as Guest2304 23:08:28 <Terkhen> good night 23:11:39 *** ZiPA [~LegionUse@145-85.vpn.aichyna.com] has quit [Quit: legion chat v1.0] 23:15:14 <__ln__> is the new T***: Legacy movie any good? 23:16:39 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 23:16:53 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:17:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't seen it 23:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i barely remember the old one 23:17:41 <__ln__> same problem 23:19:37 <Wolf01> __ln__: I hope it will be, if they didn't keep the quality of the story it will be another 3D movie with only special effects 23:20:11 <__ln__> the soundtrack sounds quite nice 23:20:42 <Wolf01> like the second part of transformers 2, Giza at 15 minutes by car from Petra :| 23:21:10 <__ln__> my ears could be lying though 23:24:02 <Wolf01> does it is midi music or it was replaced by disco? 23:25:13 *** bryjen [~bryjen@cpe-75-81-201-131.we.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:26:56 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:03 <__ln__> not quite either 23:32:06 *** Markavian [~Markavian@188.158-26-211.dynamic.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:34:20 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF86D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:35:31 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 23:36:01 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:36:19 *** `Fuco` [~dota.keys@188.123.106.105] has joined #openttd 23:37:36 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:40:10 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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