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00:09:32 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 00:23:59 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:27:32 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:27:34 <kamnet> Good evening 00:28:01 *** LordAro [56a75487@ircip3.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 00:34:25 *** Xaroth_ [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 00:35:09 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-223-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:35:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:41:04 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:08 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-223-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:43:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:45:37 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... is there an equivalent figure of speech in english if one were to say "Jetzt ist Sense" [literally: now is 'scythe', meaning "this is the end"] 00:53:42 *** [Xed] [~Xed@host104-247-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 00:55:18 <__ln___> "That does it"? 00:55:50 *** Vitus [~chatzilla@138.194.wms.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:16 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln___: doesn't sound very equivalent 01:06:09 <kamnet> Turn out the lights, the party's over? 01:09:35 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.107.57] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3] 01:10:16 *** welshdragon [~dragon@95.154.244.195] has left #openttd [Leaving] 01:10:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D4BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:48 <Eddi|zuHause> kamnet: yes, that's the meaning, but it isn't such a nice figure of speach 01:11:57 <Eddi|zuHause> *speech 01:15:42 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-160.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:37 <kamnet> what do you mean by "nice"? Do you want polite? Cool? Insightful? Meaningful? 01:17:54 <Eddi|zuHause> kamnet: "figuratively" 01:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause> kamnet: "something that you don't get unless you are a native speaker" 01:19:45 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:21:51 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 01:29:23 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AFA0FE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:29:45 <kamnet> Stick a fork in him/her/it? 01:33:12 <kamnet> Or the big kibosh? 01:43:20 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 01:44:11 *** inji [~inji@217-209-1-220-no145.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:51:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:11:31 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-84-42-201-180.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:16:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-217-149.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:17:52 *** supermop 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[~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:14:34 <planetmaker> moin 09:14:45 <LordAro> woo! got irssi working :) 09:14:49 <LordAro> moin also 09:18:53 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:23:49 <andythenorth> what is this doing at l576 in road_map.h? 09:23:49 <andythenorth> _me[t].m7 = rot << 6; 09:23:55 <andythenorth> I figure it's rotating bits 09:24:03 <andythenorth> but which ones, and why? 09:24:17 <andythenorth> (and if I move road works counter to m4, do I need to consider this line) 09:25:28 <Alberth> where does it rotate? it only shifts 09:26:50 <andythenorth> ah 09:27:00 <andythenorth> rot is a variable, not an operator :m 09:27:37 <Alberth> yep, just like three = 2 does not assign 3 :) 09:31:30 <dihedral> with regex, is it possible to find any lowercase char after a _ and turn that into an uppercase char? 09:31:36 <dihedral> good morning :-) 09:32:12 <Alberth> with plain regexp, you can only find things 09:32:30 <Alberth> I know in vim you can change case, but no idea how to say that 09:32:34 <dihedral> find and replace 09:32:41 <__ln___> regexp is not for replace 09:32:41 <andythenorth> not sure why those bits are shifted 09:32:48 <dihedral> true 09:32:53 <dihedral> find :-) thanks 09:33:42 <Alberth> andythenorth: in MakeRoadCrossing they add 'road' without shifting, so I guess that's what the bits are for 09:33:51 <andythenorth> must be to do with setting tram / road on the tile 09:33:54 <andythenorth> m7 7 and 6 09:34:12 <andythenorth> so not affected by moving roadworks counter 09:34:44 <andythenorth> but if I move the owner *into* m7 I probably have to think about changing the shift 09:35:42 <Alberth> dihedral: I have not encountered other programs where you can express 'change case' in a regexp (except of course s/_a/_A/ ; s/_b/_B/ etc) 09:35:56 <dihedral> hehe 09:36:04 <dihedral> i know perl can do it :-P 09:36:26 * Alberth is not surprised 09:37:25 <Alberth> I would write a few lines of Python :) 09:37:35 *** LordAro [~Charles@host86-167-84-135.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:56 <andythenorth> if I've patched ottd to change which map bits are used, and I load a savegame with no handling of the change, should I get kaboom? 09:38:17 <Alberth> that would be an option :) 09:38:26 <dihedral> sadly i am stuck in java 09:38:34 <Alberth> depending on the exact contents of the save game 09:38:41 <andythenorth> I don't get kaboom yet :( 09:39:06 <andythenorth> I reckon the roadworks counter has a low chance of kaboom 09:39:19 <Alberth> bits at the wrong place may give nicely subtle problems :) 09:39:23 <dihedral> andythenorth, did you tamper with the saveload code 09:39:38 <andythenorth> not yet 09:39:42 <andythenorth> I might need to 09:39:46 <dihedral> there you probably have it then :-) 09:40:36 *** Charles_ [~Charles@host86-167-84-135.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] 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the bits 09:48:59 <andythenorth> it's probably simple? 09:49:25 <Alberth> that would be the idea, I think 09:49:33 <andythenorth> I have to check just for road tiles, or bad things happen 09:53:06 *** LordAro [~Charles@host86-167-84-135.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:53:29 *** LordAro [56a75487@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:53:57 * LordAro prefers mibbit, but makes a note to use irssi on linux machines... 09:54:06 *** perk111 [~perk11@46.159.163.230] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 09:58:48 <dihedral> i do not like mibbit 09:58:57 <dihedral> only use it if there is no alternative 09:59:11 <LordAro> what do you use then? (on windows) 09:59:19 <dihedral> i do not use windows 09:59:27 <planetmaker> :-) 09:59:38 <dihedral> however, there still is putty + irssi 09:59:54 <dihedral> nice little subtle smile there planetmaker :-) 10:00:56 <Alberth> dihedral: you use windows without Windows 10:00:58 <dihedral> i had windows running in a vm on my laptop, to show someone how well my laptop performed - he was very annoyed when i showed him that it was only a vm :-D 10:01:03 <planetmaker> I mostly smiled at the assumption that *everyone* *has* to use windows at least somehow ;-) 10:01:17 <dihedral> heh 10:01:19 * andythenorth wonders about savegame versions 10:01:20 <dihedral> that's cheating 10:01:26 <planetmaker> ha, lool :-) 10:01:32 <dihedral> :-) 10:02:27 <andythenorth> planetmaker: should I branch in the roadtypes repo? 10:02:28 <andythenorth> my gut says no 10:04:36 <planetmaker> then don't 10:05:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.161.119] has joined #openttd 10:10:13 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-98-193.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:10:29 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B6ADA.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 10:10:42 *** asnoehu [~ashnohoe@524B6ADA.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:12:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D2EB.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:19 *** asnoehu [~ashnohoe@524B6ADA.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 10:13:33 *** asnoehu [~ashnohoe@524B6ADA.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:13:40 *** asnoehu is now known as tycoondemon 10:13:43 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B6ADA.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 10:13:55 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B6ADA.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:16:28 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-36-135.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:16:56 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC52E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:22:35 <JOHN-SHEPARD> http://images.4chan.org/new/src/1294541931690.jpg only in usa 10:25:14 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:25:23 <ZirconiumX> hello 10:25:32 <ZirconiumX> @logs 10:25:32 <DorpsGek> ZirconiumX: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 10:28:48 <dihedral> JOHN-SHEPARD, wtf is that for? 10:29:23 <JOHN-SHEPARD> there was a usa politician shot in usa 10:29:33 <JOHN-SHEPARD> and on sarah palin's websight 10:29:39 <JOHN-SHEPARD> there is this image 10:29:43 <JOHN-SHEPARD> with targets 10:29:53 <JOHN-SHEPARD> its very bad for palin's image 10:30:05 <dihedral> it actually is not even funny 10:30:25 <ZirconiumX> You do realise that any american's *will* push for you to be kicked by that 10:30:26 <__ln___> dihedral: is it supposed to be funny? 10:31:02 <dihedral> and i do not thing it'll affect her image at all :-P 10:31:03 <JOHN-SHEPARD> its not supposed to be funny 10:31:15 <JOHN-SHEPARD> oh yes it will it already does 10:31:34 <JOHN-SHEPARD> but only in usa will you see a politician use such images 10:31:34 <dihedral> why would it? 10:31:47 <JOHN-SHEPARD> isnt it obvious 10:31:49 <dihedral> no 10:32:04 <JOHN-SHEPARD> well i feel sorry then 10:32:09 <dihedral> it's a silly image trying to link some politician to some nasty incident 10:32:18 <JOHN-SHEPARD> its on palin's website 10:32:20 <JOHN-SHEPARD> it's her image 10:32:25 <JOHN-SHEPARD> the map 10:33:23 <dihedral> and you really believe this woman has something to do with it? 10:33:27 <dihedral> then i'd be sad! 10:33:48 <JOHN-SHEPARD> lol 10:34:07 <JOHN-SHEPARD> the last image is added for ironic purposes 10:34:13 <ZirconiumX> Oh ho ho 10:34:21 <dihedral> if they wanted to get rid of someone by an assassing they have the means to do that in a more decent way 10:34:31 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 10:34:35 <dihedral> JOHN-SHEPARD, yes, i can see that ;-) 10:34:39 <JOHN-SHEPARD> it just shows that simple minded people will be taking such maps the wrong way 10:34:40 <dihedral> also the black line 10:34:45 <JOHN-SHEPARD> so it's dangerous to use such advertising 10:34:52 <JOHN-SHEPARD> and only in use do you see such advertising 10:34:55 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:35:01 <__ln___> dihedral: nobody suggested palin has anything to do with this directly 10:35:03 <dihedral> anybody can turn anything a politician says around like that 10:35:08 <JOHN-SHEPARD> only in usa* 10:35:09 <ZirconiumX> "On The Tragedy in Arizona" My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice. - Sarah Palin 10:35:34 <ZirconiumX> "On The Tragedy in Arizona" My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice. - Sarah Palin 10:35:46 <dihedral> you want to post that again? 10:35:51 <ZirconiumX> sorry, lag 10:36:02 <JOHN-SHEPARD> it's just that i live in france 10:36:07 <dihedral> i know :-) 10:36:11 <JOHN-SHEPARD> and i have never seen such advertisement 10:36:12 <JOHN-SHEPARD> here 10:36:18 <__ln___> http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/flashback-giffords-warned-of-consequences-to-palins-target-imagery-video.php 10:36:18 <dihedral> hehe 10:36:18 <JOHN-SHEPARD> where you see a map with targets 10:36:25 <JOHN-SHEPARD> well in europe too 10:36:29 <JOHN-SHEPARD> whole of europe 10:37:28 <ZirconiumX> http://www.sarahpac.com/ 10:37:38 <ZirconiumX> the targets have been taken down 10:38:06 <dihedral> what country is sad 10:38:15 <ZirconiumX> whatever happens within a few hours I bet that Sarah will come under fire for that 10:42:34 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce2b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:42:45 * ZirconiumX does the traditional 5 minutes of mourning 10:44:27 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9927.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:45:07 <ZirconiumX> http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/palin-crosshairs.jpg 10:45:34 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46:31 * ZirconiumX wonders how to resurrect the chatroom 10:48:06 <__ln___> dihedral: your comments? is there absolutely no reason to say palin may have been influencing all this? 10:49:08 <dihedral> if pailing was directly or indirectly (knowingly) involved, it would not seem so obvious 10:49:10 <ZirconiumX> methinks that palin rallied, and in a quote, someone shot her for her 10:49:56 <dihedral> it's probably some poor person who took this into his/her own hands (or a group) or totally unrelated and used the chance to cover it up 10:51:02 <ZirconiumX> quote = Sarah Palin; Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD! 10:51:22 <ZirconiumX> I agree with you, dihedral 10:51:53 *** Devroush [~dennis@94-225-64-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:52:06 <__ln___> it was already known from the presidential campaign that death threats against Obama increased in number after each speech by palin. 10:52:52 * andythenorth draws stuff 10:53:15 <ZirconiumX> __ln___: C'est la vie. 10:53:24 <ZirconiumX> (Such is life) 10:55:02 <Alberth> it is just too sad for words 10:55:37 <ZirconiumX> :-( 10:56:44 *** Pulec|XNB [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 10:58:20 * ZirconiumX attempts to cheer everyone up. 10:59:55 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:01:13 <Alberth> you fixed wheeling of scrollbars? 11:01:18 <dihedral> they are not any better than the far east themselves :-P 11:01:27 <dihedral> uh? what? nice! 11:01:37 * andythenorth is bored of openttd for today 11:01:42 * andythenorth does other things 11:01:54 <Alberth> go build something of lego 11:02:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:03:05 <ZirconiumX> set andythenorth=lego 11:09:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host130-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 11:09:09 <Wolf01> hello 11:09:13 <ZirconiumX> hello 11:20:35 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.0.107.57] has joined #openttd 11:28:20 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:32:56 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:33:20 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 11:38:55 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:40:05 <tycoondemon> when is new zoom level coming out? 11:44:03 <Rubidium> when it's acceptable? 11:44:13 <tycoondemon> eh 11:44:25 <tycoondemon> when wil it be that then? :) 11:44:45 <Alberth> ask the author? 11:45:22 <__ln___> what is a new zoom level? 11:45:29 <Rubidium> when those that are interested in it make it acceptable? 11:46:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:56 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:52:23 <dihedral> hehe - "those that are interested in it" :-P 11:52:25 <Nite> reinstalling here, its not too easy to get to a very derived information 11:53:08 <Nite> which files do i need from the ttd cd and where to place them? 11:53:40 <Nite> (intrested in what?) 11:54:30 <Alberth> try the do-not-readme file: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/readme.txt 11:58:21 <Nite> thx - so only the *.dat files are needed? 11:58:35 <Nite> i remember it where only two files 11:59:03 <Alberth> last time I installed is > 3 years ago, so no idea any more :) 11:59:03 <peter1138> i'm interested in extra zoom 11:59:11 <peter1138> not enough to write it though 11:59:24 <peter1138> well, i tried once, but gave up with sub-pixel considerations (or something like that) 11:59:36 <__ln___> Nite: wtf are *.dat files in ttd context? 11:59:43 <peter1138> (my effort would've been just doubling sprites) 12:00:22 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:29 <Alberth> peter1138: like http://scale2x.sourceforge.net/index.html :) 12:00:55 <Nite> same as in every other context fiels that have the extension "dat" 12:01:34 <Nite> i know some ppl dont even know that files have extensions anymore 12:01:40 <Nite> which cuses confusion 12:01:47 <Alberth> the only file I know with that extension for openttd is opntitle.dat 12:02:03 <Nite> "vehicel.dat" 12:02:21 <Nite> couple of demo**.dat files 12:02:28 <Rubidium> those are not used by OpenTTD 12:02:37 <Alberth> all unknown files to me 12:03:06 <peter1138> Alberth, i even tried those algorithms 12:03:14 <peter1138> Alberth, but really, just simple scaling works better 12:03:45 <Alberth> oh. it looked so nice already. 12:03:59 <Nite> ok so i only need files from the data folder 12:04:00 <Rubidium> those algorithms probably work better on the "whole" screen than on the sprites individually 12:04:02 <peter1138> it doesn't for ttd sprites 12:04:27 <Nite> (i copied the whole ttd cd to teh directory, obviously having unneeded files now 12:04:43 <Rubidium> Nite: you need to files that are listed in that file that ought to be read by users but isn't 12:04:47 <Alberth> Rubidium: yeah, that was one of the puzzles I had discovered :) 12:05:13 <Rubidium> Nite: no need to keep asking for something that has been perfectly well explained already at a place you can't be bothered to look 12:06:11 <Nite> ok i will serch myself 12:07:51 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF83A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:59 * Rubidium bangs his head on the wall till the grey and red goo stop spilling 12:11:47 <fjb> Moin 12:11:59 <Alberth> moin 12:12:06 <Rubidium> moi 12:12:34 * fjb hands Rubidium an Aspirin. 12:14:00 <Nite> i wonder why ottd tries to load "original windows" grf as default 12:14:25 <Nite> and not teh opengfx 12:15:12 <Rubidium> it doesn't 12:15:28 <Rubidium> it all depends on what graphics set is found first while scanning for them 12:15:43 <Nite> maybee because i had installed ottd before and set it to wondows original? 12:15:59 <Nite> ok ok 12:16:34 <Rubidium> yes, the configuration file telling it to load the original Windows graphics would pretty much make it prefer the original Windows graphics as well 12:19:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21743 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#4386]: coast tiles weren't drawn under bridges 12:19:08 *** dfox [~dfox@e22.dkm.cz] has joined #openttd 12:20:08 *** [Xed] [~Xed@host104-247-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:20:42 <Nite> it works but is wierd 12:21:47 <Nite> it wouldn't start so i copied th opengfx to data - it worked started but with original windows gfx that it must have found somewhere on the disc 12:22:23 <Nite> very fiddly 12:23:04 <Rubidium> it works as described in that file that users ought to read, but apparantly never read 12:23:24 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:34 <Nite> no it does not work - i did wierd things 12:23:45 <Nite> i read it 12:24:11 <Nite> its just sunday afer a long night ;) 12:24:51 <__ln___> *weird 12:25:10 <Alberth> even 'weird' does weird :) 12:25:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6576.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:27:38 <Nite> the thing is i made ottd to always want the original win grf files even when i play with opengfx 12:28:02 <Nite> and i know who to blame - me 12:29:51 <Nite> whoa how did you do it that map downloading is so fast in the latest beta (?) 12:32:51 <Nite> i also like the upgraded saving dialog (saving now works for me in online games again without disconnect) - and teh gameplay changes are cool too 12:33:08 <Nite> i like 1.1.0 very much 12:35:02 <Nite> but i hear ppl already wanting the oldrealistic acceleration model in ... 12:46:14 <LordAro> random noobish question: If, for some reason, Rubidium were to leave OTTD forever, never to return (:)), who would take over as project leader? 12:46:47 <Alberth> do we have a project leader? 12:47:16 <LordAro> Rubidium is listed as the project leader (somewhere...) 12:47:34 <Nite> "we are all rubidium" *nonsense* 12:48:11 <LordAro> here, in fact: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/70393f978370/readme.txt#l573 (ok, but lead coder is basically the same as project leader) 12:48:21 <Rubidium> LordAro: Strontium? 12:49:20 <LordAro> :D 12:49:39 <LordAro> or caesium... 12:49:46 <Nite> its really remarkable how updates in ottd are (almost) never worsegrades ... 12:50:16 <Nite> the "almost" beeing the timetables for me 12:50:41 <Nite> are ppl happy with the timetables at all? or: does anyone use them? 12:51:23 <Ammler> if you don't like those, don't use those, how is that worse? 12:52:01 <Nite> its not worse - but its also not a real timetable 12:52:12 <Nite> and treu i do not use them 12:52:23 <Nite> but does anyone? 12:52:48 <Nite> occasionaly the wait for x days is useable 12:56:04 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@117.39.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 13:06:40 <Eddi|zuHause> # Sitting in an English garden 13:06:42 <Eddi|zuHause> # Waiting for the sun 13:06:47 <Eddi|zuHause> # If the sun don't come 13:06:49 <Eddi|zuHause> # You get a tan from standing in the English rain 13:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite: the timetables are fine once they are setup. the setup is a pain... 13:11:54 <Nite> ja, and when vehicles run late it gets more painful 13:11:55 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9927.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r21744 /trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp: -Fix: Allow Ctrl+Clicking automatic orders for scrolling to their destination. 13:12:52 <Nite> htat you have to release vehicles manually in the time you want between them makes this pain 13:13:15 <Nite> releas from depot i mean 13:14:13 <Nite> iam thinking of use it more automated with some order (maybee condi order) 13:15:32 <Nite> also i have to admit i have no ide how to introduce maybee another system of timetables 13:15:55 <Nite> what we want i vehicles evenly distributed across the network 13:16:06 <Nite> thats clear 13:16:41 <LordAro> hmmm - 'annotating' on http://vcs.openttd.org/svn doesn't seem to work in either chrome nor firefox, with the error: "HTML preview not available, since no preview renderer could handle it." which browser can render it? 13:16:57 <Nite> well it doesent mathers that much with high capacity networks because you just cram as much vehicles as possible on the track there 13:17:58 <Nite> LordAro : works noramlly here 13:18:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite: that's what the timetable start date is for 13:19:08 <Nite> ah i recheck that 13:19:51 <LordAro> but does this work?: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/blitter/32bpp_optimized.cpp?annotate=blame&rev=18809 13:22:09 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9927.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:22:53 <Alberth> LordAro: I think it was disabled. It is much easier to do it locally with a hg or git clone 13:23:25 <Nite> hmm i dont get what the start date does at all 13:24:07 <LordAro> Alberth: boo. :( what about those of us that can't get hg/git... 13:24:29 <Alberth> what exotic machine are you using? 13:24:40 <Nite> maybee i do not get it - but the vehicle is * days late even without anything set up in the timetables 13:25:33 <Alberth> hg is a python program, should run pretty much anywhere 13:25:38 <Nite> also i dont get whats teh difference between expected and scheduled 13:25:38 <LordAro> Alberth: it's called a computer that i don't have admin rights on 13:26:20 <Alberth> hmm, that's bad 13:26:55 <Nite> well i leave timetables for now again 13:27:27 <LordAro> unless someone can find a .exe version of the installer (there's no official one, at least) 13:27:34 <Nite> getting the russian trains&tram set on bananas would be nice since it is a coool set 13:28:00 <Nite> but is hard to comunicate that because of language barriers (?) 13:29:41 <Alberth> LordAro: you only need python at the machine to install hg afaik 13:30:29 <LordAro> i can (i believe) install hg on it's own, but i cannot install tortoisehg, which is what i'm aiming for 13:31:17 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.156.129] has quit [Quit: I was raided by the FBI and all I got to keep was this lousy quit message!] 13:31:38 *** Dreamxtreme [~Dre@92.30.156.129] has joined #openttd 13:31:55 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f4f6:4f07:b412:74d1] has joined #openttd 13:31:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:32:09 <Alberth> that would be a much bigger challenge indeed :) 13:33:35 <Eddi|zuHause> yay. apple removed vlc from appstore because of licensing restrictions... 13:35:00 <Alberth> it is such a nice company :p 13:35:16 <Nite> "very cool that you can save newgrf settings out of some online game" 13:35:22 <Eddi|zuHause> well. at least they care about not violating the GPL :p 13:35:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite: wtf are you talking about? 13:38:37 <Nite> saving presets of teh newgrf list 13:39:21 <Alberth> wouldn't you simply save the game instead? 13:40:49 *** |kesselhaus| [~kesselhau@tmo-104-186.customers.d1-online.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:10 <Nite> true could do that also - but i only wanted some params of newgrfs but as preset ... 13:45:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-164-80.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> "David E. Kelley's new project 'Wonder Woman' failed the presentation. none of the networks will pick it up as a pilot this season. The CW and NBC can't raise the licensing money, CBS is cautious because of the 'Bionic Woman' desaster, ABC already has own comic adaptions in progress ('Hulk', 'AKA Jessica Jones') and FOX doesn't see it fitting into the program at all. Due to the expected costs of the prestige project, no cable channel is 13:45:48 <Eddi|zuHause> expected to be able to pick it up" 13:47:20 <Alberth> aka bad timing :) 13:48:15 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes the market is just saturated and not ready for certain ideas 13:53:21 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r21745 /trunk/src/newgrf_canal.cpp: -Fix: [NewGRF] Canal variable 80 shall return consistent heights within a lock. 13:54:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r21746 /trunk/src/newgrf_canal.cpp: -Fix: [NewGRF] Canal variable 83 accessed water random bits also for non-water tiles (e.g. watery industries or objects). 13:55:47 <Alberth> wonder woman does not really sound ground breaking :) 13:56:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: if you look over the stuff that got picked up over the last decade, almost none of the ideas really are ground breaking... 13:57:09 <fjb> Do wonder women wear wonder bras? 13:57:54 *** einKarl [~einKarl@77-23-166-116-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 13:57:54 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.qakey.com/womens-health/does_wonder_woman_wear_a_wonder_bra.html <-- first result on google 13:58:17 *** dfox [~dfox@e22.dkm.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:23 *** kesselhaus [~kesselhau@tmo-104-186.customers.d1-online.com] has joined #openttd 14:00:49 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-160.dslextreme.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:01:49 *** ABCRic_ [~ABCRic@207.50.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 14:02:10 *** ABCRic is now known as Guest3806 14:02:10 *** ABCRic_ is now known as ABCRic 14:06:44 *** Guest3806 [~ABCRic@117.39.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:09 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-118-58.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:30 *** inji [~inji@217-209-1-220-no145.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 14:22:31 *** LordAro [56a75487@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:51:54 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce2b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:55:22 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 14:55:36 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21747 /trunk/src/tilearea.cpp: -Fix [FS#4395]: the diagonal iterator would iterate twice over some tiles (fonsinchen) 15:09:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21748 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 15:09:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 15:09:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: czech - 1 changes by SmatZ 15:09:07 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 20 changes by leaderroy 15:09:18 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 15:12:03 *** einKarl [~einKarl@77-23-166-116-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:44 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce2b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:14:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21749 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): -Prepare: for 1.1.0-beta3 15:15:47 *** [Xed] [~Xed@host104-247-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 15:16:44 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF9927.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:21:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21750 /tags/1.1.0-beta3/: -Release: 1.1.0-beta3 15:22:53 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21751 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Fix: Re-initialize the stationpicker data when newgrf classes have disappeared. 15:23:11 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21752 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Doc: document the stationpicker widgets and variables. 15:24:52 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21753 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use a widget for the coverage text, and re-init instead of resize to adapt for height changes. 15:25:49 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21754 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Codechange: Scroll the matrix widget to make a clicked entry fully visible. 15:28:00 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21755 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Feature: Display newgrf station sprites during station picking. 15:28:55 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 15:31:27 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21756 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt rail_gui.cpp): -Add: Display name of the selected station type in the station picker window. 15:32:23 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:32:43 <ZirconiumX> hello 15:33:20 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21757 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Use a list instead of a dropdown for selecting the station classes. 15:33:59 <Zuu> Looks nice @ last commits by Alberth 15:34:17 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21758 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Add: Allow vertical resizing of the stationpicker window. 15:35:12 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21759 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Increase the initial horizontal size of the stationpicker slightly. 15:35:36 * ZirconiumX approves of the changes 15:36:11 <deepa> But you're using Mibbit 15:36:26 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: alberth * r21760 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix (r20452): Restore wheeling of vertical scrollbars. 15:36:36 <ZirconiumX> it's working now, I know what the problem was 15:37:09 <Alberth> Zuu: I hope you like it :) 15:37:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:37:59 <Zuu> I haven't tried the patch but have seen the discussions at tt-forums and it looks promising. 15:37:59 <ZirconiumX> I linked directly to the chat client, and I think the main page finds out what IP I have, so it knows which account was logged on. 15:38:57 *** LordAro [56a75487@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:39:02 <Alberth> Zuu: huh? 15:39:25 <Zuu> Isn't your commits about the station building GUI? 15:39:43 <ZirconiumX> hello LordAro 15:39:51 <Zuu> But maybe it is your own implementation rather than what has been on display at the forums. 15:39:59 <LordAro> hello ZirconiumX 15:40:06 <Alberth> Zuu: yes, I made it from scratch 15:40:26 <LordAro> Alberth: was it your intention to miss beta-3 by 7 minutes? ;) 15:40:56 <Alberth> I didn't miss it 15:41:11 <ZirconiumX> He hasn't 15:41:18 <Alberth> now you have two new exciting versions :) 15:41:46 <Zuu> LordAro: Commiting major changes just before a public release is usually not optimal. 15:41:52 <Alberth> ZirconiumX: it is not in beta-3, but that was not by accident 15:42:20 <ABCRic> Zuu: it's called beta for a reason :D 15:42:21 <LordAro> so, yes, it was your intention :) 15:42:29 <LordAro> ZirconiumX: your explanation of why mibbit was failing is wrong, i think it was just them with server problems... 15:42:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 15:43:53 <Zuu> ABCRic: Never the less it yeilds more feedback and bug reports than the trunk builds. So if Alberth have made any obvious mistakes trunk users will find it and they will be fixed before the broad masses report the error many more times. 15:44:37 <ZirconiumX> well, if it's beta-3 why isn't it on the main page? 15:44:45 <ABCRic> I'm sure Alberth did everything alright :) 15:44:50 <Zuu> Also if a show-stopper sneaks in to a public release, then all the manual work is wasted and less subtile bugs will not be found untill manual work is spent on another beta. 15:45:01 <Alberth> ZirconiumX: beause it does not exist yet 15:45:17 <Alberth> ABCRic: as with beta-1, I reckon :) 15:45:21 <LordAro> ZirconiumX: is still being compiled, or will be shortly 15:45:24 <Rubidium> ZirconiumX: because we don't have the processing power to build 15 binaries instantly 15:45:41 <LordAro> take your pick from 3 answers :D 15:45:42 <Zuu> Also they need to propagate to all mirror servers. 15:46:37 <ZirconiumX> Alberth's answer I pick 15:46:49 <ABCRic> Alberth: are you done committing? I'd like to know if I can compile yet :) 15:46:51 <Alberth> ZirconiumX: there is an easy fix for it. Download the source, and compile it yourself. 15:47:06 <Alberth> ABCRic: for now, yes I am 15:47:16 <ZirconiumX> I can wait 15:47:22 <ABCRic> ok, compiling time then :D 15:48:36 <LordAro> Rubidium: roughly how long does it take to compile 15 binaries (and publish them)? 15:48:42 <ZirconiumX> use correct shell, that might help /self talk 15:49:04 <Rubidium> LordAro: currently a little over an hour 15:49:35 <ZirconiumX> Rubidium: that's not bad at all 15:49:58 <ABCRic> Rubidium: with how many machines? 15:49:58 <LordAro> considering i could compile around 3-5 times in an hour... 15:50:26 <ZirconiumX> 4 minutes a binary 15:51:04 <LordAro> Rubidium: so we can expect beta-3 around 16:30 (GMT)? 15:51:22 <ZirconiumX> 12-20 minutes for LordAro 15:51:49 <LordAro> :D only because of ancient computers... 15:51:58 <Rubidium> LordAro: I guess so 15:52:00 <ZirconiumX> What speed do you have? 15:52:07 <ZirconiumX> Processor 15:52:09 <planetmaker> turbo speed 15:52:37 <LordAro> 450Mhz or 1Ghz... 15:52:45 <LordAro> yes, that is an 'M' 15:53:18 <ZirconiumX> 1Ghz, or on my dead comp 600Mhz 15:55:44 *** test [~opera@p549597D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:57:29 <Alberth> LordAro: I once build a new kernel in 3 hours :) 15:58:17 <LordAro> is that bad? i don't know kernel compiling times... 15:58:26 * ZirconiumX wishes that libiconv would be detected, so fish ./configure will work... 15:58:56 * planetmaker once compiled one two days long 15:59:19 <planetmaker> just for fun on an old machine ;-) 15:59:27 <ABCRic> Alberth: mouse wheel scrolling of the station sprite menu doesn't seem to be working :( 16:00:07 * Alberth knows, but it is a general matrix widget problem 16:00:36 <Alberth> I just started looking into it 16:01:21 <ZirconiumX> planetmaker, is the option to change the revision --revision=rXXXXX 16:01:29 <ZirconiumX> on ./configure 16:01:31 <Alberth> and wheeling on the scrollbar works, but is very slow 16:01:58 <Alberth> ZirconiumX: normally, download a repo, and it gets computed automagically 16:01:59 <ABCRic> indeed 16:02:14 <planetmaker> not with hg ;-) 16:02:45 <planetmaker> well. it does. But not the corresponding svn version. Which on needs in order to join servers 16:02:46 <Alberth> oh you do get a revision, it just doesn't start with 'r' :) 16:02:52 <planetmaker> :-) yeah 16:03:24 <Alberth> hmm, it doesn't? there was code for it in the build scripts, wasn't there 16:03:26 <planetmaker> ZirconiumX, for these questions we have ./configure --help ;-) - but yes 16:03:39 <planetmaker> Alberth, not that I know 16:03:52 <Alberth> indeed :( 16:04:15 <planetmaker> The problem with that is: you cannot make it failsafe 16:05:03 <planetmaker> if we did, I could commit my own stuff to the hg repo with a specially crafted commit message and the version detection would pick it up as whatever svn version 16:05:23 <planetmaker> or even if I just commit some things - what would it show? 16:05:37 <Alberth> so what? ./configure --revision=... now works too 16:05:53 <planetmaker> of course 16:06:02 <Alberth> a changed version should show a HG number imho 16:06:04 <planetmaker> that's the general override 16:06:21 <planetmaker> Alberth, but if I commit something on top of the official hg pull. Is it changed? 16:06:25 <planetmaker> How would I know? 16:06:36 <planetmaker> or in between, some merge 16:06:37 <Alberth> no revision number in the commit 16:06:52 <fonsinchen> Just edit rev.cpp and you can fake any revision you like. 16:06:57 <planetmaker> :-) 16:06:58 <fonsinchen> This is how I do it. 16:07:03 <planetmaker> bad advice, though 16:07:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: what if you pull in a trunk merge, and your change is buried >20 revisions ago? 16:07:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: how do you detect the modification? 16:07:49 <Alberth> you have to merge your changes again don't you? 16:08:22 <Alberth> so the top is "merged" afaik 16:08:38 <Eddi|zuHause> that depends... 16:08:43 <Alberth> but I always use a branch, so perhaps if you don't do that ... 16:08:58 <planetmaker> then we do a hg rebase... ;-) 16:09:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i think there are different ways to do "merge commits" 16:09:50 *** Chruker [~no@87-104-39-161-dynamic-customer.profibernet.dk] has joined #openttd 16:09:52 <Alberth> you'd have to rebase trunk on top of your changes, then yes, it causes havoc. duh 16:11:09 <planetmaker> I somewhere have a small patch for myself which actually solves this exact problem... - but in the simplest way possible: reading the last commit message 16:11:27 *** test [~opera@p549597D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 16:11:31 <planetmaker> and then deciding upon a --revision=rXXX or not 16:12:03 <Alberth> I think it is pretty complicated to get a commit from trunk on top of something modifications, if you do sane things only 16:12:10 <Alberth> *some 16:12:44 <LordAro> planetmaker: i was going to say, surely it can't be any more difficult than doing that... (but perhaps it is) 16:13:43 <Alberth> planetmaker: like line 110 in findversion.sh? :) 16:14:13 <planetmaker> LordAro, it is. If my local commit message reads like " (svn r21760) -Fix (r20452): Nice little daylength mod to trunk r21760" 16:15:32 <planetmaker> Alberth, ah, yes. I think I even then only re-used it in the other place 16:16:46 <ZirconiumX> ...And now we wait... 16:17:52 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:20:37 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:20:41 <ZirconiumX> attempt No. 2 16:23:39 *** Doorslammer [770b0cc9@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:24:18 *** kamnet [4cb171cd@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:28:47 *** perk11 [~perk11@85.175.207.63] has joined #openttd 16:41:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:44:50 *** ZirconiumX [561b9bc6@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:47:20 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:47:21 *** George is now known as Guest3815 16:47:21 *** George|2 is now known as George 16:47:35 *** einKarl [~einKarl@77-23-166-116-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 16:52:51 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:53:12 *** Guest3815 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:00:20 *** George is now known as Guest3819 17:00:24 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:03:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:06:14 *** Guest3819 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:39 *** Doorslammer [770b0cc9@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:13:39 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce2b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:36 *** nicfer [~nicfer@190.50.16.78] has joined #openttd 17:17:00 *** George is now known as Guest3820 17:17:04 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:20:27 *** George is now known as Guest3822 17:20:31 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:21:42 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce2b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:19 *** test [~opera@p549597D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:22:59 *** Guest3820 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:26:19 *** Guest3822 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:05 *** George is now known as Guest3827 17:38:09 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 17:43:21 *** clum [~clum@92.8.121.51] has joined #openttd 17:44:03 *** Guest3827 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:57 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5DC69B89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:05 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5DC69B89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:48:24 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5DC69B89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:45 *** fjb is now known as Guest3828 17:51:46 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD2F1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:59:19 *** Guest3828 [~frank@p5DDFF83A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:11:29 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:24:49 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce2b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:05 *** LordAro [56a75487@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:38:31 *** test [~opera@p549597D4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [] 18:44:24 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r21761 /trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp: -Add: Wheel-scrolling in the new build station GUI. 18:44:44 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #openttd 18:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r21762 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 18:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: english_US - 1 changes by Rubidium 18:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hungarian - 1 changes by IPG 18:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: korean - 1 changes by junho2813 18:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 21 changes by leaderroy 18:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: swedish - 1 changes by Ledel 18:47:05 *** clum [~clum@92.8.121.51] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:50:44 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-118-58.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:50:46 <JOHN-SHEPARD> hey 18:50:54 <JOHN-SHEPARD> why is it so easy to block someone from building stuff in the game 18:51:04 <JOHN-SHEPARD> theres a guy that got mad for some reason 18:51:12 <JOHN-SHEPARD> and blocked my station by buying the land in front of it 18:51:20 <JOHN-SHEPARD> this is retarded 18:51:31 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-590f6576.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:52:06 <JOHN-SHEPARD> some polish server or whatever 18:53:12 <Rubidium> please tell us how to prevent someone from blocking you in a reliable manner 18:53:43 <JOHN-SHEPARD> the little land card 18:53:46 <Rubidium> and if someone gets mad, talk to the admin of the server you're playing on 18:53:46 <JOHN-SHEPARD> take it out or something 18:53:55 <JOHN-SHEPARD> make an area around a station to avoid this kind of things 18:53:59 <JOHN-SHEPARD> haha 18:54:01 <ABCRic> Maybe a setting to define whether buying land is allowed or not. 18:54:04 <JOHN-SHEPARD> no admins 18:54:10 <JOHN-SHEPARD> they were together 18:54:10 <Rubidium> JOHN-SHEPARD: but then they'll just build something else 18:54:16 <Yexo> and instead of buying land that griever would just build some rail there instead 18:54:17 <Rubidium> like rails 18:54:26 <JOHN-SHEPARD> ok then 18:54:29 <JOHN-SHEPARD> what are good servers 18:54:32 <JOHN-SHEPARD> with good players 18:54:44 <JOHN-SHEPARD> and not some kids who get mad at the slightest things 18:54:46 <Rubidium> and the fun thing is that rails are *easier* and *cheaper* to build than those land flags 18:54:51 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce2b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6576.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:44 <JOHN-SHEPARD> its pathetic to see such behavior 18:55:50 <dihedral> 'good' is relative 18:55:50 <JOHN-SHEPARD> from some players 18:55:57 <dihedral> what i would define as good someone else might not 18:56:06 <JOHN-SHEPARD> a good game where people play fair 18:56:10 <JOHN-SHEPARD> and dont block others paths 18:56:24 <JOHN-SHEPARD> thats exploiting 18:56:27 <dihedral> i had one of those :-P 18:56:30 <Rubidium> so basically a server with an active admin/moderator 18:57:42 <JOHN-SHEPARD> the little idiot ruined one hour of good gaming 18:57:56 <Rubidium> which sadly enough is only a minority of the servers 18:58:12 <Rubidium> JOHN-SHEPARD: true, but there's nothing that can be done about it technically 18:59:26 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Quit: keoz] 18:59:31 <Rubidium> well, besides letting the players not build stuff. But that kinda breaks the whole multiplayer as watching industries to be founded and closed is extremely boring 19:00:00 <JOHN-SHEPARD> yes 19:00:57 <Rubidium> though try something like the #openttdcoop welcome server 19:01:05 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce2b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:10 <Rubidium> that has some moderation if/when you ask for it 19:01:27 <dihedral> JOHN-SHEPARD, which version of OpenTTD are you playing? 19:06:50 <JOHN-SHEPARD> latest i think 19:06:51 <JOHN-SHEPARD> wait 19:06:53 <JOHN-SHEPARD> let me check 19:07:06 <dihedral> "latest" is vague ;-) 19:07:07 <peter1138> latest isn't a version :D 19:07:25 <JOHN-SHEPARD> 1.0.5 19:07:44 <Alberth> not latest by a long shot :) 19:07:51 <JOHN-SHEPARD> lol ok 19:08:09 <JOHN-SHEPARD> stable 19:08:13 <dihedral> :-) 19:08:32 <Alberth> you can call it latest stable, but there is also latest 1.1 beta, and latest nightly 19:09:03 * dihedral looks forward to 1.1.0 :-) 19:09:54 <Alberth> I never play stable versions :) 19:10:04 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1bdca.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:08 * peter1138 never plays any version 19:10:20 * andythenorth occasionally plays some version 19:10:34 <andythenorth> when I do, it's a specific version 19:10:46 <andythenorth> 'hg up any' doesn't work :P 19:10:47 *** einKarl [~einKarl@77-23-166-116-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:56 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #openttd 19:15:46 *** clum [~clum@92.8.121.51] has joined #openttd 19:23:29 <Rubidium> Alberth: what dihedral means is that with 1.1.0 openttd-python will be completely broken and people will basically have to use his stuff :) 19:28:10 <Alberth> oh, getting users because competition gets broken :) 19:29:22 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 19:30:34 <dihedral> no - i might consider using my own stuff ^^ 19:35:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:36:14 <Alberth> :) 19:41:26 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:44:07 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Quit: keoz] 19:51:29 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.224] has joined #openttd 19:51:33 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 19:56:14 *** welshdragon [~dragon@95.154.244.195] has joined #openttd 19:58:39 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #openttd 20:01:19 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:06:43 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Quit: keoz] 20:14:52 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:30 <planetmaker> omg, what kind of shouting nick had been shouting around here lately? 20:17:55 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 20:18:57 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:25 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 20:21:40 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has joined #openttd 20:22:21 *** andythenorth is now known as ANDYTHENORTH 20:22:24 <ANDYTHENORTH> hi planetmaker 20:22:34 <ANDYTHENORTH> how is your ill? 20:23:55 *** ANDYTHENORTH is now known as andythenorth 20:25:03 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 20:26:11 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:17 <planetmaker> ill is ill 20:29:03 <dihedral> a shouting one 20:31:36 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:27 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 20:35:16 *** keoz [~keikoz@418pc.wohnheimg.uni-frankfurt.de] has quit [Quit: keoz] 20:37:46 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 20:38:17 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:28 <Terkhen> hello 20:38:44 <Rubidium> ola 20:39:20 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r21763 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h): -Codechange: Pass the distance to Scrollbar::UpdatePosition() in units of small or big steps. 20:40:31 <andythenorth> hi Terkhen 20:40:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r21764 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Change: Make the scrollbar associated to a NWidgetMatrix scroll in steps of the matrix when using the wheel or the scrollbar-buttons. 20:43:44 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:52:13 <Ammler> station gui in trunk? 20:52:16 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 20:52:57 <Rubidium> error: question ambiguous 20:52:57 <Alberth> we have a station picker in trunk many years already :) 20:53:20 <Ammler> I don't get that forum comment 20:53:38 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 20:53:50 <Alberth> and it remains to be seen whether it is a station gui, since it is src/rail_gui.cpp :) 20:54:32 <Alberth> @commits 21755 20:54:42 <Alberth> @commit 21755 20:54:44 <DorpsGek> Alberth: Commit by alberth :: r21755 trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp (2011-01-09 15:27:48 UTC) 20:54:45 <DorpsGek> Alberth: -Feature: Display newgrf station sprites during station picking. 20:55:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21765 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#4369]: PBS reservation was not shown on road crossings with NewGRF railtypes (andythenorth) 20:55:30 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:55:32 <Alberth> although there are 5 or 6 after that to finish the gui job :) 20:55:33 <Ammler> ah, right after beta3 :-P 20:56:03 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 20:56:52 <andythenorth> he 20:57:00 <andythenorth> I now have 2 credits in commits 20:57:09 <Rubidium> but... that's not the station GUI; FS#2401 is about the improved stations GUI 20:57:13 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:57:43 <Ammler> he, you should have called it "better station gui" :-P 20:57:52 *** perk11 [~perk11@85.175.207.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:31 *** [Xed] [~Xed@adsl-ull-223-21.47-151.net24.it] has joined #openttd 20:58:43 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 20:58:46 *** DarthShrine [~angus@60-242-109-62.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:03:03 *** DayDreamer2 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 21:05:25 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:05:27 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:36 *** clum [~clum@92.8.121.51] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:10:50 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 21:10:55 *** clum [~clum@92.8.121.51] has joined #openttd 21:12:42 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:53 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 21:14:22 *** DayDreamer2 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:14:38 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5DC69B89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 21:14:45 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:45 <planetmaker> everything has to be called New<Whatever> 21:15:10 *** LordAro [56a75487@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:15:32 <Alberth> template <class T> New<T> ? 21:16:34 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:16:38 <Rubidium> planetmaker: nope 21:16:53 <Rubidium> "yet another" is prefered over "new new" 21:17:27 <Chris_Booth> "yet another again" instead of "new new new"? 21:17:48 <LordAro> andythenorth: well done on trunking at least part of your level crossings patch :D 21:17:49 <TrueBrain> no, then follows: "More Bullshit" 21:17:57 <planetmaker> NewNew would be so much cooler! :-P 21:18:14 <planetmaker> especially in time when we end up with NewNewNewNewNewStations 21:18:23 *** LordAro [56a75487@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 21:18:38 *** LordAro [~56a75487@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:19:06 <Wolf01> 'newnight 21:19:13 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host130-236-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:19:14 <planetmaker> it would also be anti-discriminating for people with certain speach problems ;-) 21:19:26 <frosch> how many "New"s can be abbreviated with one "Realistic"? 21:19:32 <frosch> RealisticStations... 21:19:54 <andythenorth> just start calling things 'Final' 21:20:16 <andythenorth> I have seen so many web projects with a folder called 'Foo Final' 21:20:21 <Chris_Booth> andythenorth: then finalfinal? 21:20:21 <andythenorth> followed by 'Foo Final Final' 21:20:29 <andythenorth> 'Foo Final Final Amended' 21:20:31 <andythenorth> etc 21:20:51 <andythenorth> people are weak thinkers :P 21:20:55 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 21:20:58 <Chris_Booth> maybe just a nice numbering system, like v0.0.0 21:21:05 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 21:21:17 <andythenorth> do it in a byte 21:21:22 <Chris_Booth> or trust me this is the final edit I am going to make for a few weeks 21:21:29 <andythenorth> I predict RoadTypes0xDF might make trunk 21:22:39 <Rubidium> andythenorth: extended byte ;) 21:24:26 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-72-25-106-219.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 21:26:34 <andythenorth> dword 21:26:38 <andythenorth> more bloody likely 21:29:11 *** x [x@188.27.16.108] has joined #openttd 21:29:45 <x> Hi, anybody know how to add openttd on my n97 ? 21:30:02 <orudge> Nice nickname 21:30:11 *** x is now known as ovh 21:30:16 <ovh> sorry for that. 21:30:25 <ovh> orudge can you help me? 21:30:26 <orudge> no, I was impressed you could get a single-letter nickname 21:30:29 <orudge> and I'm afraid I can't 21:30:42 *** ovh is now known as A 21:30:43 *** A is now known as x 21:30:46 *** x is now known as ovh 21:30:47 <ovh> :D 21:30:48 <orudge> there's a thread in the forums about that, I think 21:30:52 <orudge> but I may be wrong 21:30:53 <dihedral> you just cannot register it ;-) 21:30:56 <Rubidium> I'd say, try to find the symbian port and use that 21:31:00 <orudge> there are unofficial ports to assorted portable devices 21:31:16 *** SpComb is now known as ^_^ 21:31:17 <ovh> i have installed but its not work. 21:31:18 <^_^> Mui. 21:31:46 <ovh> the req libraries is not for my fone 21:31:52 *** ^_^ is now known as Guest3847 21:31:57 *** Guest3847 is now known as SpComb 21:31:58 <Rubidium> but beyond that I'm somewhat of an old fashions mobile phone users; it can make a phone call, but nothing more 21:33:07 <ovh> Oke, when the game will stop ?, no more units and so on... ? 21:33:27 <dihedral> what? 21:33:40 <Rubidium> there'll be no new vehicle types after 2050, but it doesn't quite "stop" then 21:33:54 <Rubidium> many people even start in 2050 as they can't be bothered with the introduction of new vehicles 21:33:57 <ovh> im in 2040 :) 21:34:21 <ovh> but i want more vehicles :P 21:34:22 <ovh> :D 21:34:29 <Zuu> There is a practical limit of aronud 1500 trains but the theoretical limit is way higher. 21:34:45 <LordAro> how do you commit a .patch file with mercurial? 21:35:13 <Hirundo> hg import 21:36:11 <planetmaker> or just patch and commit... 21:36:36 <LordAro> haven't got patch installed - only mercurial 21:36:56 <LordAro> (so it's still possible, just harder, and more likely to go wrong ;) ) 21:37:23 <Chris_Booth> Zuu: I disagree, I have network on my save list on 512^2 maps with way more than 1500 trains 21:37:37 <Chris_Booth> ok the are 3 tile trains but still more than 1500 21:37:46 <Zuu> okay 21:37:51 <SmatZ> :) 21:38:02 <ovh> how to edit costs? 21:38:04 <Chris_Booth> but then I am not a normal player 21:38:14 <ovh> running costs? 21:38:23 <Chris_Booth> most people dont build 8 lane MLs arround there maps 21:38:29 <Rubidium> Chris_Booth: practical is more in the sense of network games getting too heavy for many of the clients 21:38:31 <Zuu> Around 1500 is what is the common guideline of what a normal computer can do. But there are many factors that influence that. 21:38:51 <Rubidium> if you want you could run a million half-tile trains 21:39:16 <ovh> i have 1208 trains :P 21:39:20 <planetmaker> I think the vehicle limit is 5000 per type and company ;-) 21:39:23 * andythenorth does draw 21:39:28 <planetmaker> unless you modify source - or did that change? 21:39:44 <Chris_Booth> Rubidium: half tiles trains would be stupid, 1 tile would be smallest parcticle 21:40:03 <ovh> Anybody knows how to modify costs/running costs? 21:40:08 <Chris_Booth> planetmaker: does that count in SP#? 21:40:17 <planetmaker> ovh, via newgrf. or difficulty setting 21:40:20 <planetmaker> not ingame 21:40:28 <planetmaker> only from main menu 21:40:46 <Zuu> ovh: Check out the base cost mod NewGRF. 21:41:25 <ovh> i dont find that in check onlne... i use beta2 21:41:29 <planetmaker> and set the running cost base cost to like 4 or so ;-) 21:41:30 <Zuu> If you're on a nightly/beta you get a convient GUI (compared to what it was before) for it. 21:41:33 <Rubidium> Chris_Booth: but then it'd be only half a million one tile trains 21:42:28 <Zuu> hmm, and they will never be allowed to emit smoke or sparks? 21:43:31 <Rubidium> Zuu: yeah 21:46:23 *** ovh [x@188.27.16.108] has quit [] 21:49:43 <dihedral> night 22:04:37 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 22:05:46 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i had this crazy idea: scratch the possibility of ever introducing infrastructure sharing, and instead run TrainController+pathfinder for each company in a thread 22:09:22 <Eddi|zuHause> won't work for road vehicles as they influence each other 22:09:25 <Rubidium> what about level crossings? 22:09:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: that will need to be handled after the thread synching 22:10:17 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:32 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 22:12:37 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18:25 <andythenorth> good night 22:18:34 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 22:18:57 <Terkhen> good night andythenorth 22:19:31 *** andythenorth [~andy@cpc9-aztw25-2-0-cust133.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:19:39 <LordAro> good night 22:24:39 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: even then vehicle moving (which takes quite a big chunk of the time) needs to be synced as they're modifying the vehicle hash 22:25:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:25:18 <Eddi|zuHause> synched per company only 22:25:50 <Rubidium> dirty bits are global 22:26:04 <Eddi|zuHause> what do you mean dirty bits? 22:26:12 <Rubidium> dirty bits on the viewport 22:26:23 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't repaint during the tick 22:26:24 <Rubidium> i.e. the pieces that need to be redrawn 22:26:41 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but you mark them as needs to be redrawn 22:26:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. the hash only needs to have valid states after the thread synching 22:27:07 <Eddi|zuHause> which means all you need is a thread-safe hashtable 22:27:23 <Rubidium> which basically means locking 22:27:39 <Eddi|zuHause> which is certainly not trivial, but can't be an unsurmountable hurdle 22:28:08 <Rubidium> but it's doing loads and loads of work for usually little benefit 22:28:27 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 22:28:49 <Rubidium> as how often are there so many companies with lots of trains that the overhead of threading really pays off? 22:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause> not a majority of the vehicle movement code involves updating the hashtable. which means there's still plenty to be done besides waiting for the hash-lock to be resolved 22:29:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: don't know, that can only be found out by testing 22:30:07 <Rubidium> I seem to remember that SmatZ did something like this, but without locking 22:31:20 <Rubidium> when it worked it was a whopping N% faster on multi core, but >N% slower on single core. N was a relatively small number 22:32:20 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but i can't really think of other parts to be multithreaded without tearing the whole game engine apart 22:43:14 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 22:46:48 <SmatZ> there was some experiment with multithreading 22:46:54 <SmatZ> with not very interesting results 22:48:38 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@207.50.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: The bad thing about quit messages is that you never know how people react to them.] 22:54:02 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-590f6576.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:42 <SmatZ> hmmmmm 22:58:56 * SmatZ got that "how could that code ever work?" feeling 23:01:11 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1bdca.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:31 *** LordAro [~56a75487@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:03:08 *** LordAro [56a75487@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:07:01 <SmatZ> after ispecting the code, it was pure luck 23:23:32 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:32 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4d0ce2b8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 23:27:22 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:23 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 23:42:44 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DC63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:43:05 *** SpComb^_ [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 23:43:38 *** [Xed] [~Xed@adsl-ull-223-21.47-151.net24.it] has quit [Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~] 23:44:26 *** Ylioppilas [~svkoskin@hoasnet-fe17dd00-222.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 23:44:42 *** SpComb^_ [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [] 23:44:58 <z-MaTRiX_> 1 second patch would look like inserting sleep(1) before checkpassword 23:47:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:55:38 <Yexo> z-MaTRiX_: anyone with access to rcon can move himself to your company and set a new password without the need to know the old one 23:56:16 <Yexo> so before you assume someone has bruteforced your password look at the other options your password could've been changed