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00:23:51 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:24:18 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:20 <supermop> hello 00:30:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:37:45 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:42:09 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:51:51 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 00:52:37 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d820014.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 01:02:25 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:02:31 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.187.94] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 01:09:34 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 01:09:55 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:50:20 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-143-111.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:09:20 *** murr4y [~murray@177.84-48-69.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:19:11 <xiong> http://wiki.openttd.org/Star_Junction#Industrial_Star 02:23:11 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC1F4B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 02:27:33 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:29:28 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-160-13.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 02:34:13 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:37:07 *** murr4y [~murray@177.84-48-69.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 02:39:45 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-68-183-230-190.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:37 *** mkv` [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:44:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:47:12 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:47:34 <supermop> is planetmaker on? 02:53:25 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:55:19 *** mkv` [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56:06 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:01:41 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:02:03 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 03:04:37 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e5d2:ac62:c391:3722] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:10:01 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@83.169.3.115] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26:57 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@83.169.3.115] has joined #openttd 04:42:28 <supermop> was there ever any agreement on standard railtype lables? 04:58:27 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 05:24:19 <planetmaker> moin 05:24:53 <planetmaker> supermop: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=RailtypeLabels <-- not really an agreement, but a list of what is used by some 05:26:18 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:26:19 <supermop> thanks 05:27:45 <supermop> can i use a switch to change the depot for regular rail depending on if a railtype grf is loaded or not? 05:28:06 <planetmaker> yes 05:29:02 <supermop> so if no railgrfs are loaded, use depot a for RAIL, if there is one loaded, use B 05:29:04 <planetmaker> the question is: do you want to check a railtype or a grf? 05:29:30 <supermop> well 05:29:42 <planetmaker> you can check for the presence of a railtype. And you can check for the presence of a grf 05:29:54 <planetmaker> the first is much more generic 05:30:22 <planetmaker> and a single grf may or may not provide a railtype, depending on ... whatever it likes 05:31:06 <supermop> if no other grfs are oaded, RAIL is in normal rail, so it should use my metal shed, but if a grf like nutracks is loaded, RAIL is the slowest rail, so it should use my brick shed 05:31:36 <planetmaker> ah, ok. 05:32:55 <planetmaker> I guess I'd always check for the availability of the railtype (like what I posted yesterday) and then check for the presence of a specific grf: 05:33:29 <supermop> ok 05:34:18 <planetmaker> swich (FEAT_RAILTYPES, SELF, nutracks_present, grf_future_status(grfid)) { ... 05:35:06 <planetmaker> or maybe better, add somewhere a check for different railtypes which write a paramter: 05:35:51 <planetmaker> other_grf_param = grf_future_status(grfid) + 2*grf_future_status(grfid2) ... 05:36:57 <planetmaker> switch (FEAT_RAILTYPES, other_grf_present, other_grf_param) { 1: graphics_id1; 2: graphics_id2; default_graphics; } 05:37:46 <planetmaker> or similar 05:39:05 <supermop> ok 05:42:42 <planetmaker> did you manage to get nml running? 05:43:10 <supermop> not yet 05:43:25 <supermop> i havent downloaded that or python yet 05:43:47 <supermop> but i did write some code that I think will give roughly the effect i want 05:44:09 <supermop> i also drew a couple more depots to procrastinate 05:44:09 <planetmaker> aye 05:44:14 <planetmaker> :-) 05:45:24 <supermop> is there a way to specify custom foundations in nml? 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7784C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76F7E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:57:05 <planetmaker> not sure 05:57:31 <supermop> ok 05:57:37 <planetmaker> I'm not even sure what things could have custom ones. Only thing I know are stations 05:57:47 <planetmaker> you can - of course - replace the default ones 05:58:12 <supermop> well it is pretty late for me, so I am going to go to bed and look into it tomorrow 05:58:31 <planetmaker> :-) 7am here 05:58:39 <supermop> 1 am here 05:59:07 <supermop> good night for now, and thanks 05:59:58 <planetmaker> good night 06:00:10 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 06:32:00 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:07:07 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 07:10:09 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:10:16 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B107A89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:16:23 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B107D7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:19:34 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 07:23:25 *** Kurimus 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seconds] 11:02:48 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 11:09:53 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:15:55 <fjb> Moin 11:18:37 <planetmaker> moin fjb & zydeco 11:20:46 * fjb would like to wave to planetmaker but can not see that far. 11:21:38 * zydeco doesn't recognise that language, but assumes it's a greeting 11:22:26 <fjb> It is a German greeting. 11:22:29 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 11:23:08 <zydeco> I see 11:32:19 <SmatZ> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=930646#p930646 so well disguised spam I even clicked that link :) 11:33:38 <Rubidium> then you haven't really read the post 11:34:06 <planetmaker> Nah, today the weather is too hazy to look that far. 11:34:16 <planetmaker> When the weather is good, I can see the Brocken, though 11:34:19 <SmatZ> not really read, but it didn't look like spam on the first sight :) 11:34:58 <planetmaker> meh 11:36:29 <planetmaker> zydeco, 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Mail support@oftc.net with questions. BOPM (2011-02-17 12:15:49)] 12:15:49 *** Lachie [~whitey@creep.bur.st] has quit [autokilled: This host may be infected. Mail support@oftc.net with questions. BOPM (2011-02-17 12:15:49)] 12:20:48 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:27:52 <planetmaker> I find it ironical nowadays when browsing the German and the English forum: in the English there's a thread "Is OpenTTD getting too complex?". In the German one that translates to "OpenTTD too simple?" 12:28:26 <Rubidium> # isn't it ironic ;) 12:28:39 <zydeco> hahaha 12:31:33 <Terkhen> :D 12:37:27 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@bas8-london14-1279480034.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 12:37:40 <DanMacK> Hey all 12:38:20 <peter1138> ironical, eh? 12:39:20 <scdls> look who thinks he's clever dan 12:39:55 <DanMacK> lol 12:40:06 <planetmaker> moin DanMacK 12:40:11 *** fjb is now known as Guest1704 12:40:12 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD31A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:40:21 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-68-183-230-210.dslextreme.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:40:51 *** Lisby [~Lisby@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 12:42:52 *** Lisby_ [~Lisby@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 12:43:07 *** Lisby_ [~Lisby@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 12:44:32 <DanMacK> how goes it? 12:47:07 *** green-devil [~Lisby@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:43 *** Guest1704 [~frank@p5DDFE5F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:59 *** ar3k|aw [~ident@eby245.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 12:48:01 *** ar3k|aw is now known as ar3k 12:48:13 <dihedral> planetmaker, show's which nations mind works more complex? :-D 12:49:08 *** Lisby [~Lisby@0603ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:27 <planetmaker> hehe 12:51:32 *** Z4ndX [~Z4ndXx@92.246.20.201] has joined #openttd 12:51:35 <Z4ndX> Hi.. 12:51:38 <planetmaker> Hi 12:52:03 <Z4ndX> Iv downloaded af map, denmark.scn, where do i put it ? 12:52:09 <Z4ndX> Using Debian 12:52:13 <planetmaker> DanMacK, all is fine, I hope for you, too ;-) 12:52:25 <Z4ndX> And do i need to add it to the cfg ? 12:52:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Z4ndX: in ~/.openttd/scenarios or something 12:52:50 <planetmaker> Z4ndX, readme section 4.2 12:52:58 <planetmaker> or was it a do-not-readme? ;-) 12:53:01 <V453000> I wonder how stupid does one need to be to cry that OpenTTD is too complicated 12:53:03 <Z4ndX> not in /usr/share/games/openttd ? 12:53:23 <Z4ndX> planetmaker: Only made it to 4.1 ;) 12:53:55 <planetmaker> Z4ndX, then you'd have seen the table of contents and I'll have to assume you deliberately didn't read the section relevant for your question ;-) 12:54:15 <Z4ndX> Your right.. i Didnt :) 12:54:23 <Z4ndX> Will do, right away. 12:54:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Z4ndX: you can put it there, too, but usually you don't have write access there 12:54:40 <planetmaker> generally ~/.openttd and it's obvious sub-dirs are good 12:54:49 <planetmaker> on *nix systems 12:55:14 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-67-115.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:55:29 <Terkhen> V453000: all those settings might confuse a new user (even if they are labeled "advanced" and the game is perfectly playable with the defaults) 12:55:54 <V453000> yes, they they are idiots who expect to know everything after first day of playing 12:55:59 <Terkhen> :D 12:56:03 <V453000> like if this was some retarded counter strike or wat 12:56:57 <planetmaker> well. Maybe it'd be indeed good to have 'basic' and 'advanced' - where 'advanced' needs enabling via editing the cfg ;-) 12:57:18 <V453000> seriously, every normal person will start playing and see what they can learn over time and slowly try this and that, piece by piece 12:57:22 <planetmaker> but then the same whining will start as with newgrf changes on a running game 12:57:32 <planetmaker> yeah :-) 12:57:48 <Terkhen> or two different GUIs, with the advanced one requiring to be enabled explicitly 12:57:58 <planetmaker> that's what I meant :-) 12:57:58 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@bas8-london14-1279480034.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 12:58:05 <Terkhen> but I suspect someone would just enable it and ask why it is so complicated 12:58:06 <V453000> the same with the amount of newGRFs. I heard like 100 times from idiots that they do not play with newGRFs because there is too many of them ... 12:58:20 <planetmaker> he 12:58:27 <planetmaker> well, there are. 12:58:52 <V453000> yes, but it makes a whole new dimension for OpenTTD 12:58:52 <Yexo> well, that's better than the people that play with too many newGRFs 12:58:59 <planetmaker> And there's a huge amount which is not really worth playing with in the vast majority of cases 12:59:07 <Terkhen> well, at the beginning I did not want to play with NewGRFs because I was too lazy to try them and to find a set that I liked :P 12:59:15 <planetmaker> but they still serve sometimes corner cases 12:59:20 <V453000> sure 12:59:22 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 12:59:30 <Z4ndX> Okay red the do-not-readme.txt :) .. But dosent say where to put the *.scn file or what to write in the cfg 12:59:40 <V453000> but damn ... why cant people just try one newGRF, see how it goes, and try something else in the next game 12:59:44 <V453000> it is only that simple 13:00:02 <V453000> instead they say NO, there is too many, I am not playing with it, I rather bitch around 13:00:12 <Terkhen> Z4ndX: in the scenario subfolder of the folder mentioned there 13:00:23 <planetmaker> V453000, it's an un-deletable myth that NewGRFs are just graphics... that's why 13:00:49 <V453000> he :) guess that myth comes from the same group of people I am reffering about :p 13:00:55 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 13:00:55 <Terkhen> yes, we should rename them to addons or, even better, DLC 13:01:01 <Terkhen> then it would be clear :) 13:01:08 <Z4ndX> Terkhen: Should there be a subfolder called scenario ? .. 13:01:18 <planetmaker> if there isn't, create one 13:01:21 <Terkhen> ^ 13:01:23 <Z4ndX> :) 13:02:21 <V453000> Terkhen: and make there an IQ test when people launch OpenTTD, requiring at least 30 to be able to download anything or change any settings 13:03:28 <Terkhen> well, that's the current trend; make games simpler and simpler 13:03:41 <Z4ndX> Terkhen: What should i edit in my cfg to load the map ? 13:03:42 <Rubidium> V453000: but even Sandy (a Bornean Orangutan) has an IQ of 75 13:03:48 <Terkhen> Z4ndX: nothing 13:03:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Z4ndX: nothing, you can pick the scenario from the main menu 13:04:20 <V453000> Rubidium: yes, but it feels to me like 70% of OpenTTD community has below 20 13:04:22 <Z4ndX> Using a dedicated server.. No grafic 13:04:34 <Terkhen> openttd -h 13:05:02 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: i don't think you realize what a "low IQ" is 13:05:06 <planetmaker> I think you might need to copy it to the save folder and rename it to *.sav 13:05:14 <planetmaker> ./openttd -g filename.sav 13:05:25 <planetmaker> but maybe it works with scenarios, too 13:05:42 <Z4ndX> Okay will try 13:05:50 <Rubidium> V453000: then OpenTTD must be really well known in that community 13:05:58 <Terkhen> IIRC it worked with scenarios, but I'm not sure 13:06:29 <V453000> well, as long as you do not adapt OpenTTD to the stupid people, I am fine with it :p 13:07:29 <Z4ndX> Terkhen: Nothing in man pages 13:07:57 <Terkhen> did you try it? 13:09:02 <Z4ndX> the openttd -h ? yes.. 13:09:14 <Z4ndX> same as man pages 13:09:18 <Terkhen> openttd -g (scenario.scn) 13:09:40 <Terkhen> if it does not work you will need it to do what planetmaker said 13:09:49 *** JVassie is now known as SarahJessicaParker 13:09:57 *** SarahJessicaParker is now known as JVassie 13:10:48 <Z4ndX> planetmaker: It worked :) .. Thanks very much. 13:10:53 <Z4ndX> *Thank you 13:17:11 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC229E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:17:11 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@83.169.3.115] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:21:05 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:15a8:6fdf:580b:9225] has joined #openttd 13:21:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:26:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 13:28:57 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:39:15 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=52827&start=20 <-- he, thank you V453000 :-) 13:39:57 <V453000> for what? :D just my not so subtle opinion as always 13:40:18 <planetmaker> well yes. But it's a great praise of the game as it is :-) 13:40:43 <V453000> me playing it as actively as I do for the time I do says the same, or more if you add the level in which I play it 13:40:55 <planetmaker> I know :-) 13:41:11 <planetmaker> But reading it is another thing :) 13:41:22 <V453000> without a doubt :) 13:44:26 <planetmaker> and it's well written and placed in that thread, too :-) 13:46:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host220-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 13:46:18 <Wolf01> hello 13:46:49 <dihedral> nice post :-) 13:46:57 <dihedral> hopefully that'll shut the shouter 13:47:13 <dihedral> hello Wolf01 13:49:06 *** dbkblk [~dbkblk@213.41.139.156] has joined #openttd 13:49:22 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:19 *** dbkblk [~dbkblk@213.41.139.156] has left #openttd [Ex-Chat] 14:15:50 *** wargh [51ea85b5@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:17:55 <wargh> I looked at the Wiki page what "#opcodes before AI is suspended" does, but I'm still not sure exactly what this does. 14:18:48 <peter1138> it's the number of instructions an AI can perform in a certain time period before other processing happens 14:19:30 <planetmaker> wargh, AI build speed is related to that 14:19:37 <wargh> So basically a higher value makes it "smarter"? 14:20:16 <wargh> Or at least build faster. 14:20:52 <Rubidium> it reduces the amount of thinking it can do, not the amount of building 14:21:41 <Rubidium> though depending on the amount of thinking the AI *might* be building less, but that is merely a side effect of reducing the amount it may think in a game tick 14:21:55 <planetmaker> well. But AIs need to figure out where and what to build :-) 14:22:16 <planetmaker> So yes, most likely it will mostly influence their initial hiatus till they do something at all 14:22:17 <Rubidium> true, but that has nothing to do with building 14:22:43 *** ar3k [~ident@eby245.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:45 <Rubidium> for building a few hundred opcodes is more than enough 14:23:09 <wargh> I should just increase it to whatever my computer can handle then to get teh AI to be as good as it can ba? 14:23:38 <Eddi|zuHause> it depends on many things 14:23:45 <planetmaker> especially on the AI 14:23:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the least of all: the amount of AIs you start simultaneously 14:25:28 <wargh> I've tested about 11 of the AI's a lot the past few days to find the best ones to use. I wish they would be a bit better at building rail, and do it more often 14:26:04 <Yexo> you could disable the other transport types and force the AIs to build rails that way 14:26:22 <wargh> IÀve done that with two AI's. But it seldom goes well 14:26:23 <Yexo> as for being better at it, specific suggestions are always welcome 14:26:30 *** ar3k [~ident@eby245.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 14:26:49 <wargh> The main problem is surely that I like hilly maps with lots of water 14:27:13 <wargh> Not sure much can be done about it from the AI's point of view 14:27:13 <Yexo> that kind of maps is indeed very difficult 14:32:18 *** wargh [51ea85b5@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:33:55 *** Vadtec [vadtec@i.am.vadtec.net] has quit [Quit: Vadtec was here....] 14:34:08 *** Vadtec [vadtec@i.am.vadtec.net] has joined #openttd 14:36:40 *** wargh [51ea85b5@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:37:02 <wargh> My computer sure didn't lite opcode set to 250 000 at least. :P 14:37:22 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@104.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 14:38:56 <wargh> ANyone that could recommend a value for a Core2Duo 3Ghz? 14:39:00 <planetmaker> I guess it's an uint16 14:39:15 <planetmaker> oh, like :-) 14:39:33 <planetmaker> wargh, just increase it in factors of two from the default value 14:39:54 <peter1138> Your computer didn't like it? 14:40:38 <wargh> Yeah, typo 14:45:27 <wargh> Is there a way to restart the AI if it fails at it's first atempt to build and goes out of money? As it is now it just stays around for a long while without going bankrupt but still lack money to build another route. 14:45:45 <Yexo> reload ai in the ai debug window 14:45:53 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 14:46:07 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:46:29 <wargh> Thanks 15:00:08 <Mazur> Or buy up hte company. 15:00:13 <Belugas> hello 15:00:18 <Mazur> Hi. 15:00:47 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@83.169.3.115] has joined #openttd 15:13:41 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:16:25 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8B77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:19:37 *** wargh [51ea85b5@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:36:46 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-124-154.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:42:36 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-84-211.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:48 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:39 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Linkinus is updating...] 15:56:43 *** zodttd [~me@user-0c90n0l.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 16:01:15 *** Z4ndX [~Z4ndXx@92.246.20.201] has left #openttd [] 16:04:21 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 16:05:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19F8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:08:08 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72036c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f653e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:37 *** orudge` [~orudge@94-192-85-74.zone6.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:34:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 16:35:11 *** orudge` [~orudge@94-192-85-74.zone6.bethere.co.uk] has quit [] 17:03:04 *** scdls [~notme@cm38.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: oh] 17:09:19 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@104.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 17:17:02 *** ar3k [~ident@eby245.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:29 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:28:36 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:40 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:35:47 <supermop> good afternoon 17:37:01 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:24 <Terkhen> hi supermop 17:41:29 <supermop> hi Terkhen 17:41:34 <supermop> how's it going? 18:03:44 <Eddi|zuHause> downhill 18:04:32 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:53 *** MattDog [~kvirc@c-24-126-55-47.hsd1.wv.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:19:06 <Belugas> haaa... starting to emerge from morning-hell! 18:21:20 *** flitz [~me@dslb-188-097-252-242.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:31 <Eddi|zuHause> wait... morning? man... my sleep cycle totally adjusted with "real time" this week... it's so unusual... 18:23:09 <flitz> hi, I wanted to ask whether my idea for a little patch seems feasable or not, I didn't find much about it on the forums 18:23:12 <Rubidium> wait... emerge? man... you're using Gentoo now? :D 18:23:34 <flitz> its about 'automatically' adding wagons to trains 18:25:37 <Rubidium> feasible in terms of possible to implement: definitely, feasible to get it into the official versions as a "little patch": probably not; general concensus seems to be going for "autoreplacing" consists, so you say: trains looking XYZ this should look like ABCD after autoreplace 18:25:41 <Wolf01> I want a patch for train templates :| 18:26:32 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:26:46 <flitz> implementation is not the problem, I've been toying with some ideas in my head, which would make sense 18:27:16 <Rubidium> and adding wagons is a subset of autoreplacing consists, which means it'll be some orders of magnitudes bigger, but also way more flexible 18:27:33 <flitz> the scenario is that I often start in early years and play with sets like the UK Renewal, where engines are weak and trains are short in the beginning 18:28:05 <flitz> but since I built up quite some until I get better engines, adding additional wagons becomes a real chore quickly 18:29:12 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-088-076-110-074.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:29:23 <flitz> the most simple idea would be, to just tell trains of a given group to have a given 'minimal length' and take the first wagon of a train as template to lengthen an incoming train via autoreplace-gui 18:32:35 <Eddi|zuHause> flitz: the problem is like Rubidium stated. "simple" patches offer too little flexibility to be generally included. it just opens another request about slightly more flexibility. and then again... 18:33:03 <Eddi|zuHause> flitz: so better do it right once. 18:33:23 <Eddi|zuHause> (at least for this special case) 18:34:56 <blathijs> Though "once" might not mean "in a single patch" ;-) 18:36:23 <flitz> So rather than adding a function to lengthen trains, there should be a function to make a train look like shape [XYZ] ? 18:37:07 <Yexo> indeed, a function to replace every train that looks like [ABC] with a train that looks like [XYZ]. 18:37:30 <Yexo> lengthening trains would be the special case of replacing trains that look like [ABB] with [ABBBB] 18:37:45 <Terkhen> it has been discused here a few times as "consists", I don't remember if there was a thread at the forums too 18:38:09 <Yexo> I'm quite sure alberth made multiple forum posts about it, not sure if there is a single topic for it 18:38:15 <flitz> the problem of purely adding wagons was on the forums some years ago 18:38:35 <flitz> seems to have been dropped I think 18:39:04 <Yexo> well, there have been a lot of suggestions on the forum that have never been implemented 18:41:24 <flitz> The shape of a train could be composed in the same style as you build a train in the depot. This could be then used as template for train replacement. Doesn't sound too difficult actually. 18:41:36 <Yexo> that is the idea 18:41:48 <Yexo> problems arise from the fact that in the depot you've already bought the train 18:42:07 <Yexo> when you build the template you're just building a template, you're not actually buying any vehicles 18:42:32 <Yexo> at least, that's one idea. Another is to let the user build the desired train first and set autoreplace between two trains, remove the concept of "consist without a train" 18:43:52 <Yexo> further problems come from a lot of discussions about how groups should work, since autoreplace is currently tightly bound to the groups feature that has impact too 18:44:02 <flitz> This autoreplace-gui is used for groups indiviually. Why not let there be such a replacement-template be stored per group and be used when autoreplace is checked ? 18:44:09 <flitz> ah okay, I see. 18:44:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:44:33 <Yexo> sure, you can store a replacement-template per group, but how to create that template? 18:44:54 <flitz> the replacement-gui gets a depot-like gui addition 18:45:02 <Yexo> also keep in mind that newgrfs can disallow attaching certain wagons to certain engines, and openttd doesn't know about that until the vehicles are actually bought 18:45:27 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 18:45:53 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: translators * r22091 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files in 2 dirs): 18:45:53 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:53 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 41 changes by ww9980 18:45:53 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: danish - 23 changes by beruic, krak 18:45:53 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 125 changes by Luis_Mizuchiro 18:45:54 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: thai - 19 changes by kenny 18:45:54 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: urdu - 15 changes by yasirniazkhan 18:45:58 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22092 /trunk/src/network/network_server.cpp: -Fix-ish (r22068): when you change a boolean to a enum, check specifically for a particular value 18:46:04 <flitz> this is a problem, the code that checks this would need to be integrated into this function too 18:47:18 <Belugas> Rubidium? Gentoo? ENOPARSE 18:47:47 <Terkhen> lots of updates to translations :) 18:47:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f653e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:28 <Rubidium> Belugas: emerge is the package "management" tool of Gentoo 18:49:06 <Rubidium> and Gentoo is a Linux distribution 18:50:30 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:37 <flitz> Terkhen: I could provide two of them immediately ;) 18:51:51 <Belugas> haaaa... 18:52:17 <Belugas> Gentoo -> Linux, that i knew :) 18:52:32 <Belugas> but that's about all I know :) 18:52:47 <Belugas> on Gentoo, of course... 18:53:15 <Rubidium> and "emerge world" is (IIRC) the command to fetch, compile and install all new versions 18:53:30 <peter1138> Except those that it decides not to. 18:54:01 <flitz> more or less all :) 18:55:20 <Terkhen> flitz: feel free to apply as a translator for those translations 19:01:31 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:01:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 19:01:53 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:03:51 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.230.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:40 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.230.132] has joined #openttd 19:09:12 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe86de00-46.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:11:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.230.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:12:23 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.230.132] has joined #openttd 19:14:09 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.199.187] has joined #openttd 19:17:22 <Alberth> andy figured out what the game is all about, I see :D 19:19:17 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.230.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:17 <__ln__> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=613083 19:19:42 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-160-13.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 19:20:06 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.230.132] has joined #openttd 19:20:49 <Terkhen> :O 19:22:17 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-160-13.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 19:22:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:23:14 <andythenorth> has anyone backed up the TTD repo into a tinfoil shoe box? 19:23:15 <andythenorth> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12493980 19:24:49 <Terkhen> half of the earth surface will not be affected, right? 19:26:00 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.230.132] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:23 <andythenorth> dunno 19:26:49 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.230.132] has joined #openttd 19:27:09 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a time a few years back where aurora borealis was visible in northern germany 19:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause> most notable effect: the UFO phone lines were ringing constantly :p 19:28:15 <Terkhen> :D 19:28:26 *** MattDog [~kvirc@c-24-126-55-47.hsd1.wv.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i was too far south to see it, though... 19:29:07 <__ln__> what's remarkable is that there are UFO phone lines in germany 19:29:09 <Terkhen> let's just hope they don't reach me then :) 19:29:12 <ctibor> i have seen it on 48°48' 19:29:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm about the same latitude as london 19:30:13 * Terkhen is at about 37º 19:31:30 * __ln__ 60°27' 19:31:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm around 51°-ish 19:35:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it probably was a cloudy night... 19:36:37 * __ln__ 60° 27' 2.5194" 19:38:02 <Eddi|zuHause> and why wouldn't there be ufo hotlines in germany? it's not like the USA has a monopoly on nutjobs :p 19:42:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.199.187] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:45:19 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 19:47:00 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6DC7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:51:03 <peter1138> anyone know where electric fence lives? :S 19:52:16 <peter1138> hmm, well, the official one seems to be... old 19:56:16 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 20:00:32 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:00:49 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 20:02:02 <Belugas> oops... ninjamserver killed... 20:02:03 <Belugas> restored 20:02:13 <Belugas> oops... wrong channel 20:02:24 <Belugas> undo knob... where are you???? 20:03:32 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5DC6BF52.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:42 <Eddi|zuHause> tell me more about this ninja that thou speakest of 20:04:06 <Eddi|zuHause> speakst? 20:04:12 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever. 20:08:04 *** flitz [~me@dslb-188-097-252-242.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:30 *** Fixer [~Fixed@91.202.128.79] has joined #openttd 20:10:19 <Belugas> ninjam is a service qhere two (and/or more) can play together musical intruments over the internet 20:10:43 <Belugas> that what peter and i are using when life allows me to reach out to him :) 20:11:11 <Belugas> very cool, very impressive 20:11:20 <Belugas> apart when communication is not good 20:11:26 <Belugas> then, it's frustrating 20:14:51 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6DC7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:16:26 <Belugas> so... if you have an instrument that can be hooked to a computer (via line out, via mic, via a program, via whatever), you launch your ninjam client, 20:16:37 <Belugas> you connect to a pre-defined server, 20:17:05 <Belugas> you play and one measure after you connected, you receive what the other(s) is(are) playing 20:17:27 <Belugas> collaborative music 20:17:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.199.187] has joined #openttd 20:17:54 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 20:20:41 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B107A89.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:29:12 <Eddi|zuHause> sorry, all my instruments are "analogue" 20:31:55 <Belugas> so? 20:31:58 <Belugas> mine too are :) 20:32:10 <Belugas> mine too is... 20:32:16 <Belugas> i only have one guiter :S 20:36:56 <peter1138> UNDO KNOB 20:39:21 *** MattDog [~kvirc@c-24-126-55-47.hsd1.wv.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:49 <andythenorth> where am I? 20:45:39 *** Fixer [~Fixed@91.202.128.79] has left #openttd [] 20:45:43 * andythenorth is at lat 51.4742 apparently 20:46:46 <peter1138> f.lux? 20:49:49 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has left #openttd [] 20:53:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-13-62.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:06:15 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22093 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#4514]: The server list did not get sorted with one item in it, so the "position in the list" variable was never updated causing problems when using the keyboard shortcuts for scrolling 21:11:06 *** MattDog [~kvirc@c-24-126-55-47.hsd1.wv.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:13:51 *** murr4y [~murray@177.84-48-69.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:38 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@130.48.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 21:15:59 *** krinn [~krinn@98.227.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:08 <krinn> hi all 21:16:30 <krinn> how can i get the cargo type a vehicle is using if it has no cargo load ? 21:17:10 <krinn> (with noai) 21:19:03 <krinn> i mean, does AIVehicle.GetCapacity will be 0 if the vehicle can't currently (not refit for it) handle it ? 21:19:43 <Yexo> AIVehicle.GetCapacity is 0 is the vehicle can't currently handle it, but it might be able to handle it after refitting 21:20:18 <krinn> ah great! so i can just foreach all cargo until i found > 0 that means that vehicle currently is fit for that cargo 21:20:42 <Yexo> yes, but keep in mind that a single vehicle can be able to transport multiple cargos at the same time 21:21:00 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:21:07 <Yexo> aircraft with passengers/mail is the simplest example 21:21:10 <krinn> yes, but not trucks if i'm right 21:21:19 <Yexo> articulated trucks can have that too 21:21:44 <Yexo> although that's currently only a theoretical problem as I don't know of any road newgrf that uses articulated trucks with multiple cargo types 21:22:14 *** Harpyas [~Harpyas@pool-71-96-131-105.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:15 <krinn> ouf! 21:22:28 <krinn> what is the purpose of AIVehicle.GetUnitNumber ? 21:23:08 <krinn> it's clear, it return the unitnumber, but what is it? :) 21:23:38 <Yexo> it's a unique number which is also part of the default vehicle name 21:23:42 <Rubidium> ever seen the numbers next to vehicles in e.g. the vehicle lists? 21:23:48 <Yexo> train #10 has unitnumber 10 21:24:38 <krinn> thank you 21:25:52 *** Harpyas [~Harpyas@pool-71-96-131-105.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 21:28:56 <krinn> that unitnumber is taken from the name or an internal fixed number ? 21:29:36 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f653e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:02 *** murr4y [~murray@177.84-48-69.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:30:21 <krinn> it's to get clear why this number exist when you have vehicleID and if altering the name won't alter that function? 21:31:35 <Yexo> an internal fixed number 21:32:37 <Yexo> every vehicle-part has a vehicleID (also every wagon of a train, the shadow of aircraft, the rotors of a helicopter) while only front vehicles (front engine / wagon of a train, a truck, etc.) has a unit number 21:33:07 <Yexo> basically the vehicleID is something internal to make the game work but the unit number is also shown to the user in a few places 21:34:34 <krinn> not harming, looks just a bit a dup no ? 21:35:05 <Yexo> it's necesary to generate a unique vehicle name like "Train #xy" 21:35:41 <Yexo> in theory the vehicleID could be used for that, but then you wouldn't get nicely increasing numbers 21:35:58 <Yexo> as AI you can safely ignore the number 21:36:15 <krinn> ok, because train #xy could have multi-vehiculeID when using more trains engine in train 21:36:48 <krinn> something to stay stable even i switch train engine from pos 1 to 2... 21:37:01 <Yexo> vehicleID is not unique per company 21:37:22 <Yexo> if you buy a train engine and 3 wagons they'll get vehicleIDs 0, 1, 2 and 3 (assuming no other vehicles exists at the time) 21:37:39 <Yexo> when you start it and the engine generates some steam, the steam is a special vehicle that gets vheicleID 4 21:37:49 <Yexo> now another company buys a truck, it'll get vehicleID 5 21:38:03 <krinn> i see what you mean now, and naming that train with 1st vehicleID won't stay stable if i move that vehicle at last pos 21:38:09 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:38:13 <Yexo> you buy another train engine, vehicleID 6 but unit number 2 21:38:39 <Yexo> it wouldn't be nice to show "Train #1" and "Train #6" to the user when he only build 2 trains 21:38:49 <krinn> yes agree 21:41:11 *** xiong [~xiong@netblock-68-183-230-242.dslextreme.com] has joined #openttd 21:44:26 *** Markavian [~Markavian@CPE-60-224-82-14.wxzr1.win.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:26 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@104.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:48:08 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:48:26 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:28 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 21:49:17 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-137-044.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:14 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B107A89.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:45 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-14-178.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:57:05 <Zuu> I never noticed the GetUnitNumber function in the API. :-) 21:57:21 <krinn> :) i notice things people don't see 21:57:48 <Belugas> I see I see said the blind man 21:57:59 <Belugas> high sea high sea sid the mariner 21:58:50 <krinn> pretty sure you're not drinking only water belugas 21:58:53 <Belugas> I-C I-C said the diod 21:59:06 <Belugas> :) 21:59:10 <krinn> :) 21:59:21 <Belugas> what to expect, end of day, which was a pure hellish one! 21:59:37 <krinn> did you see the little doxygen bug ? 21:59:40 <Zuu> IC IC said the train entusiast 22:00:11 <krinn> the AIStation doesn't appears as an AIObject class, i'm sure it should 22:00:56 <krinn> http://noai.openttd.org/docs/1.0.5/classAIObject.html <-- 22:01:05 <Belugas> i see bugs all day long 22:01:10 <Belugas> i'm tired of bugs 22:01:18 <Belugas> even more when they are not mine! 22:01:23 <Belugas> going home now... 22:01:24 <Zuu> krinn: It does for trunk 22:01:34 <Belugas> goona play guitar and Limbo! 22:02:02 <Zuu> Also in 1.0.5 as far as I can see. 22:02:23 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-67-115.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:02:24 <Zuu> I see AIObject <- AIBaseStation <- AIStation 22:02:24 <krinn> :) we don't have the same page so 22:02:47 <krinn> ah ok i see it too so 22:03:22 <krinn> told you i see also dead people ? 22:05:47 <Wolf01> 'night 22:05:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host220-174-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:10:22 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-76-142.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:10:35 *** Fenris [~fenris@p5DC6BF52.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 22:10:36 * Zuu prefere seeing deaf people over dead people 22:11:23 * krinn think Zuu can't speak to them in both case 22:11:49 * Zuu thinks krinn is wrong 22:12:30 * Zuu even know some ASL 22:12:53 <krinn> is that sign language ? 22:12:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.199.187] has left #openttd [] 22:13:58 <Zuu> ASL is the American Sign Language. 22:14:52 <krinn> oh, i was even thinking it only exist one universal one 22:15:37 <krinn> but i never really think about it, seems logic is per language :P 22:15:40 <Zuu> As likely as there would be only one universal spoken language. 22:15:52 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-14-178.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:36 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 22:21:32 <Zuu> But at least some sign languages use the same letter signs. Eg A-Z in the US is the same as A-Z in Germany. But UK use another one and Sweden yet another one. 22:22:27 *** goblin [~goblin@krlh-5f72036c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:22:34 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@130.48.108.93.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Quit: Goodbye, world...] 22:22:43 <krinn> some must be common, the C letter should be a half close hand or something like that no ? 22:25:02 <krinn> must be hard to learn 22:30:58 <Zuu> The C letter in ASL and here in Sweden use the same hand shape but in a different angle. 22:31:15 <Zuu> In the UK they use a two-handed letter system. 22:32:47 <krinn> they speak it by using letters? 22:33:31 <krinn> i was thinking the language use more a visual shortcut for words, well, comomn words 22:33:57 <krinn> dunno, but like putting hand in your heart to say heart... things like that 22:35:21 <Zuu> the letters are mostly used to spell out names and for short words. For most words there exist a sign. Also it is not just signed english/british/swedish etc. but uses another grammar etc. 22:36:04 <krinn> yeah, as i said, must be really hard to learn 22:36:56 <Zuu> yes since it is a language of its own that you have to learn. 22:43:59 *** Bluelight [~chatzilla@104.80-203-76.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 22:54:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:55:50 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8B77.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:04:13 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:10 <Terkhen> good night 23:11:34 <zydeco> bye Terkhen 23:14:51 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-160-55.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Quit: asilv] 23:15:06 <CIA-11> OpenTTD: yexo * r22094 /trunk/src/hotkeys.cpp: -Fix [FS#4510]: remove invalid keycodes when reading hotkeys.cfg 23:17:57 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f653e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:30 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:30:48 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-76-142.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:58 *** zydeco [~zydeco@163.165.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: miscellaneous hardware exception error] 23:39:55 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 23:42:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]