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00:02:07 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i find it funny how you create a mental image from a person just by their nickname, and they look totally different 00:14:03 <perk11> yeah 00:17:58 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-144-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:29:28 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:30:56 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Quit: more listen, more understand, more know] 00:32:59 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:06 *** Adambean` [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 00:39:19 *** Zmapper [~Zmapper@c-67-174-124-202.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:39:34 <Zmapper> can anyone help me? 00:40:24 <Yexo> that depends on whether you're stuck in the elevator or can't find the way to the nearest railway station 00:40:42 <Zmapper> I keep getting an error about not having 'no sound' checked 00:40:54 <Yexo> ah,that's better :) 00:41:03 <Yexo> what is the exact error message? 00:41:12 <Zmapper> I am trying to run a version with infra share that a friend compiled 00:41:16 <Zmapper> one sec 00:41:39 <Zmapper> Failed to select sounds set 'no sound' 00:41:52 <Yexo> your friend failed to create a problem bundle 00:42:04 <Yexo> *proper, not problem 00:42:33 <Yexo> no_sound.obs should be in the data/ directory 00:42:50 <Yexo> can you check whether is it? I'm guessing not, but check anyway 00:43:47 <Zmapper> When I add that it says Failed to select sounds set 'Scott Joplin Anthology' 00:44:05 <Zmapper> which i downloaded a while ago to replace the base sounds set 00:44:46 <Yexo> find openttd.cfg and remove the line that starts with soundsset = 00:45:23 <Yexo> hmm, rather musicset = 00:45:36 <Yexo> 'Scott Joplin Anthology' is a music set, not a sounds set 00:45:50 <Zmapper> yes 00:46:54 <Zmapper> where does openttd.cfg hide anyway 00:47:18 <Yexo> windows/linux/mac? 00:47:26 <Yexo> My Documents/OpenTTD/ under windows 00:47:27 <Zmapper> windows 7 00:47:38 <Yexo> probably something like "Documents/OpenTTD/" 00:47:40 <Zmapper> I have the folder open 00:47:48 <Zmapper> where openttd is installed 00:47:55 <Yexo> it's not in there 00:48:32 <Zmapper> not that i can see 00:48:40 <Yexo> see readme.txt section 4.2 00:49:01 <Yexo> C:\Users\<username>\Documents\OpenTTD\ according to that 00:50:03 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 00:51:09 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-132-126.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:52:12 <Zmapper> cant find it 00:52:30 <Zmapper> I have two versions installed ATM 00:52:44 <Zmapper> 1.05 and the infra share version 00:53:05 <Yexo> do you have "hide known extensions" turned on? 00:53:19 <Zmapper> 1.05 had an installer and installed in both program files and my documents 00:53:24 <Yexo> it's a stupid windows setting, but if you do the file might look like "openttd" without the .cfg 00:53:49 <Zmapper> Is it on by default 00:54:10 <Yexo> 1.0.5 is completely installed in program files, the configuration (openttd.cfg), savegames and downloaded content will by default end up in My Documents 00:54:20 <Yexo> that means multiple installations can use a single config file 00:54:25 <Yexo> yes, it is 00:54:55 <Zmapper> found it 00:54:58 <Zmapper> finally 00:55:09 <Zmapper> just did a ctrl-f search 00:55:31 <Zmapper> so do i need to edit it 00:55:33 <perk11> btw why use my documents? 00:55:51 <perk11> and not %APPDATA% 00:56:34 <Yexo> because A) %APPDATA% wasn't around in earlier windows versions and B) it can't be found by users (so they can't find their savegames/screenshots) 00:56:43 <Yexo> there probably is a C) and D) which I don't know about :p 00:57:28 <perk11> sounds convincingly 00:57:43 <Zmapper> so how do i edit the .cfg 00:57:50 <Yexo> with any text editor 00:58:02 <Yexo> notepad will probably do, depending on the line endings 00:58:12 <Yexo> if it doesn't wordpad will work 00:58:23 <Zmapper> ok 00:58:23 <perk11> notepad does well, unless you turn on word wrapping 00:58:29 <Zmapper> I have it in notepad 00:58:38 <Zmapper> so what do i do? 00:59:34 <perk11> what do you want? 01:00:11 <glx> perk11: you're right, theorically it should be in app data 01:00:15 <Yexo> remove the line that starts iwth "musicset =" 01:00:36 <Zmapper> oh, ok 01:01:07 <glx> perk11: but even recent games still use mydocs 01:01:15 <Eddi|zuHause> most games put their stuff in my documents 01:01:16 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:36 <perk11> many use "My games" 01:01:44 <perk11> in my docs 01:01:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:06 <Zmapper> I thought it worked 01:03:54 <Zmapper> can you run a .32 version on a .64 machine? 01:04:07 <Zmapper> He sent me a .32 version 01:04:23 <Yexo> I wouldn't expect that to be a problem 01:04:44 <Zmapper> i now have a crash.dmp file on my hands :D 01:05:32 <Yexo> that means the game started ok, but crashed somewhere after 01:05:45 <Yexo> nothing we can help you with, ask your friend that compiled the binary for you 01:05:50 <Zmapper> ok 01:05:58 <Zmapper> I will just wait until tonight 01:06:08 <Yexo> but if 32bit vs 64bit was the problem you would not get a crash.dmp file 01:06:15 <Zmapper> Thanks for all the help Yexo and perkill 01:06:55 <Zmapper> what is the difference between .32 and .64 anyway 01:07:02 <Zmapper> better preformance? 01:07:27 <glx> not visible :) 01:07:53 <perk11> 32 bit binary works perfect on win64 01:08:01 <Yexo> and from what I've heard in the past the 64bit version was not always faster 01:10:27 <Zmapper> has anyone tried to simulate seperate countries with infra share 01:10:41 <Zmapper> I saw the one guy in the forums tried it 01:10:55 <Eddi|zuHause> there was a game on german forum like that 01:11:06 <perk11> I believe 64 bit version can work with savegames which are larger than 4 Gb 01:11:13 <Eddi|zuHause> two people playing 4 "countries" in multiplayer 01:11:20 <Zmapper> I saw that 01:12:37 <Zmapper> That seems interesting 01:12:42 <Eddi|zuHause> you can also look for "ottdgd", which was a (heavily patched) massive multiplayer game 01:13:06 <Yexo> wwottdgd <- that is the full abbreviation 01:13:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and some guys tried to mimic the british rail network with "franchised" transportation companies 01:13:36 <Zmapper> Has anyone tried union stations 01:13:59 <Zmapper> where multiple companies share a central station in a city 01:15:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not aware of anything like that 01:16:45 <Zmapper> we tried in our server to have the government build a road network 01:17:06 <Zmapper> like a state highway system 01:17:16 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't need infrastructure sharing for that 01:17:36 <Zmapper> yea 01:17:51 <Zmapper> we even built freeways and motorways later on 01:18:46 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:33 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.181.45] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 01:25:32 <perk11> Zmapper: what's your server? 01:28:10 <Zmapper> it is a locked server 01:28:15 <Zmapper> and it is not mine 01:28:16 <perk11> ok 01:28:31 <perk11> it's just very interesting 01:28:31 <Zmapper> have you heard of airlineempires.org 01:28:37 <perk11> no 01:29:04 <Zmapper> one of the members there (sirmoo) set up a sever 01:29:16 <perk11> ok 01:29:43 <perk11> thank you for the information 01:32:46 <Zmapper> what severs do you like 01:34:46 <perk11> I don't play much these days, I used to run my own server. Openttdcoop server is the best choice for complex networks building and I don't like luukland server much, but it usually has most of players online 01:34:59 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF89E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:35:22 <perk11> And I'd say there aren't much interesting servers around except openttdcoop, but it's quite hard to start 01:35:43 <Zmapper> other than the one mentioned i like the alfton.no servers 01:36:08 <perk11> is it private tooo 01:36:10 <perk11> ? 01:36:12 <Zmapper> on 01:36:14 <Zmapper> no 01:36:18 <perk11> ok 01:36:23 <perk11> I wrote it down 01:36:25 <perk11> thanks 01:36:28 <Zmapper> it is more relistic though 01:36:48 <Zmapper> It costs million to change the land 01:40:27 <Zmapper> why was restricted trainlength added to 1.1 01:42:23 <perk11> to make even more custom settings available 01:42:45 <perk11> the question is why it's enabled by default 01:43:15 <Zmapper> I like running long trains 01:43:36 <perk11> you may change it in settings 01:43:46 <Zmapper> that is good 01:44:25 <perk11> bye 01:44:29 *** perk11 [~perk11@sR-UN-2.izmaylovo.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:46:13 <Zmapper> bye-bye 01:46:17 *** Zmapper [~Zmapper@c-67-174-124-202.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 01:52:38 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC372B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 02:02:38 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:14:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76615.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:16:53 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d083560.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:17:27 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-52-19.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 02:18:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DAC0.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31:36 *** Zmapper [~Zmapper@c-67-174-124-202.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:43 <Zmapper> another question 02:31:48 <Zmapper> is NuTracks a newgrf 02:32:23 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.242.110.157] has joined #openttd 02:32:28 <andythenorth> morn 02:32:37 * andythenorth shouldn't read forums when getting up with a headache 02:32:57 <supermop> its an odd hour for you i'd think? 02:33:26 <andythenorth> I'm in a different time zone 02:33:30 <andythenorth> to usual 02:33:43 <supermop> not gmt? 02:33:48 <andythenorth> nope 02:33:54 <andythenorth> I'm on Indian Standard Time 02:33:58 <supermop> ah 02:34:09 <andythenorth> IST includes an interesting random factor 02:34:48 <andythenorth> although the clock is 5.5 hours ahead of gmt, the times at which stuff actually happens / arrives / gets done is quite variable :D 02:34:49 <supermop> yeah? 02:34:57 <supermop> hah 02:35:09 <Zmapper> true 02:35:33 *** Zmapper [~Zmapper@c-67-174-124-202.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:36:25 <supermop> going to duck out to grab dinner, 02:37:42 <supermop> back in a second 02:47:01 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@115.242.110.157] has joined #openttd 02:47:01 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.242.110.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:11:29 <supermop> alright 03:20:23 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@115.242.110.157] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 03:28:47 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:29:00 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 03:30:05 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@bas8-london14-1279480034.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 03:32:43 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-146-021.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 03:32:54 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep] 03:47:21 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.240.99.6] has joined #openttd 03:47:50 <DanMacK> hey Andy 03:48:00 <DanMacK> weird seeing you here this time of day :P 03:51:21 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:53:03 <supermop> it seems like so much of drawing sprites for tt iss about replicating grimey old things, 03:53:17 <supermop> its hard to draw things that look new without looking rediculous 03:53:42 <supermop> ie 03:54:21 <supermop> drawing a modern motive power shop that might be built in 2011 03:55:13 <supermop> while balancing between it looking like a featureless white box, or some crazy futurist's idea from 40 years ago 03:57:38 <DanMacK> lol 03:58:50 <andythenorth> DanMacK: even weirder seeing you here 03:58:58 <andythenorth> seeing as we are on opposite sides of the planet :P 03:59:41 <glevans2> he's on the inside, and your on the outside? or vice cersa? 03:59:48 <glevans2> versa 04:00:20 <supermop> itss extra hard aas an architecct 04:00:48 <supermop> because any building that i would design would look oddly not 'real enough' 04:02:07 <DanMacK> lol 04:02:26 <supermop> for some reason i also have a hard time with the purple windows 04:02:35 * DanMacK pictures concrete with a row of windows along the top 1/3 04:02:36 <supermop> can never get them to look right 04:03:07 <supermop> i am actually doing a panel system building 04:03:09 <DanMacK> Use the dark purplish blue 04:03:15 <DanMacK> ahhh 04:03:18 <supermop> but 04:03:52 <supermop> i am adding all sorts of crap to it that i never would in real life (even if i specc'd a generic panel system curtain wall) 04:04:12 <supermop> like a butterfly roof for no reason 04:04:48 <supermop> be cause I figure the monorail depot should look more 'futuristic' than HSR 04:05:14 <supermop> so making the building look less utilitarian is my approach for now 04:05:46 <supermop> altough i personally never got tt using monorail as a futuristic high speed heavy rail 04:06:06 <supermop> I want it to be like an ALWEG subconsciously 04:06:30 <supermop> mid century light passenger moving equipment 04:07:17 <supermop> so this depot should really look more like a 60's vision of a futuristic building, 04:07:42 <supermop> not a 60's high modern build, nor a 90's post modern building 04:08:10 <supermop> sorry i am monologuing heere 04:09:08 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 04:09:55 <DanMacK> no worries 04:10:09 * DanMacK finds architecture fascinating 04:10:41 <supermop> me too, but its not so great for paying the bills at the moment 04:11:19 <DanMacK> heh 04:15:05 <andythenorth> supermop: look at some of the TTD default office buildings for inspiration 04:15:08 <andythenorth> especially the futurism ones 04:15:15 <supermop> actually 04:15:29 <andythenorth> 'how would Simon Foster do it' is my default thought these days 04:15:30 <supermop> ive talked to planetmaker about this 04:15:32 <supermop> but 04:15:40 <andythenorth> it's not very original :P 04:15:42 <supermop> norman foster 04:16:26 <supermop> the original tto nakagin capsule tower had a oddly important influence on me as a kid in the mid 90s 04:16:48 <andythenorth> wrong foster :) 04:16:58 <supermop> the real building is one of my favorite structures in the world, 04:17:16 <supermop> and got me interested in the metabolist movement 04:17:37 <supermop> and i found out about it due to playing tt in 1994 04:17:39 * DanMacK thinks the capsule tower is awesome 04:17:53 <supermop> they might tear it down this year... 04:17:58 <supermop> i am pretty upset 04:18:09 <DanMacK> They've been talking about that for years though 04:18:14 <supermop> i have visited it twice, been inside once 04:18:15 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@115.242.105.73] has joined #openttd 04:18:34 <supermop> it really should get landmarked and a proper rehab 04:18:34 <DanMacK> cool 04:18:46 <supermop> its in a poor state 04:18:50 <supermop> fine structurally 04:19:02 <supermop> but totally neglected and unappreciated 04:19:27 <DanMacK> agreed. I'm surprised the style didn't cattch on 04:19:37 <supermop> ad, like may building of that size in tokyo, it iss owned as a coop of condos 04:20:30 <supermop> so the people living there just want to tear it down and mortgage the land to build a generic new building like you see all over town 04:21:19 <supermop> there is no way that some passionate party could step in to buy it and fix it up 04:21:38 <supermop> it is catching on, 04:21:43 <andythenorth_> sounds like Bombay 04:21:46 <supermop> but much later, and if a different way 04:21:51 <andythenorth_> lots of art-deco apartment buildings 04:21:56 <andythenorth_> owned by coops 04:22:06 <andythenorth_> being replaced by 15 story concrete towers 04:22:35 <supermop> but modualr prefab and mass-customization are big emerging trends in archiecture now 04:22:45 <supermop> for low impact low density housing 04:23:05 <supermop> rather than the medium density that the metabolists envisioned 04:23:26 <DanMacK> :/ 04:24:06 <supermop> the nakagin is respected among young architects, but not its occupants 04:24:16 <supermop> first time i went to go see it 04:24:53 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.240.99.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:24:53 <supermop> the information kiosk ladies at ginza subway station had no idea it existed, despite being a 5 minut walk away 04:25:28 <DanMacK> weird 04:25:48 <supermop> my japanese was much better then, 04:25:54 <DanMacK> it's definitely something you'd notice 04:26:22 <supermop> but i had to sketch the building, describe its concept, try to write the kanji for its name 04:26:56 <supermop> eventually they pulled out some huge book of super detailed maps of the neighborhood from the 70s 04:27:09 <supermop> haas all of the easment lines and utilites on it 04:27:22 <supermop> obviously not a tourist atlas 04:27:46 <supermop> most recently in 2009, i went theere with a japanese friend, 04:28:21 <supermop> who haad learned about kisho kurokawa in school, but was unaware of that building being there 04:29:47 <supermop> Anyway 04:29:49 <DanMacK> sheesh, it's like they're trying to bury it or something 04:30:21 <supermop> a desire to reimplement that building in ottd is what got me drawing sprites last year in the first place 04:31:08 <DanMacK> Did you draw the OpenGFX version or was that done before? 04:32:29 <supermop> i would not abide it, 04:32:35 <supermop> so no 04:33:07 <supermop> the idea for that building became one for a metabolist town set 04:34:32 <supermop> as the metabolist movement really seemed fitting with TT's ideal vission of growth and infrastructure as progress 04:35:23 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@bas8-london14-1279480034.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 04:35:26 <supermop> that idea led to ideas about rescaling 04:37:39 <andythenorth_> rescaling TTD, or the set? :P 04:37:47 <supermop> my st 04:37:50 <supermop> set 04:38:03 <supermop> from 12 to 8 meters per tile, roughly 04:38:06 <supermop> for houses 04:38:29 <supermop> and maybe even 4 meters 04:38:39 <supermop> to see if it could work 04:39:11 <andythenorth_> TTD scale is quite variable :P 04:39:14 <supermop> that led to thoughts of a more realistically scaled modular station set to go with the town set 04:39:35 <supermop> which led to my sheds 04:40:15 <supermop> the reason they are so tall, is that i am leaning gradually towards a larger scale with them 04:43:42 <supermop> this purple still looks so weird to me 04:43:51 <supermop> especially up close in PS 04:46:44 <supermop> but the glass-greens i used for the early modern depot clerestory windows would not look right for supposidly clear glass 04:47:39 <supermop> i should just model and render these, then paint over them in 8bpp 04:52:17 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:53:13 <supermop> Hey Andy, do you have time to look at a png of one sprite? 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I wrote an answer in the iPod/... thread. And deleted it before hitting 'submit' ;-) - it contained also the sentence you wrote :-) 08:15:44 <Terkhen> :) 08:15:57 <Terkhen> well, if you want to go for cheap or free, windows is not an option 08:16:09 <planetmaker> quite so 08:16:31 <Terkhen> IIRC Mac OS is quite cheap in comparison, and linux is free 08:16:44 <planetmaker> I paid about 30⬠for this, yes 08:16:58 *** ar3kaw [ident@ece127.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:17:22 <Ammler> in most cases, windows is as free as linux 08:17:51 <planetmaker> not really 08:17:55 <Terkhen> yes, as long as someone pays, they get a profit :P 08:17:57 <Ammler> maybe even cheaper :-) 08:18:01 <planetmaker> you can go to the computer vendor and ask for a refund 08:18:02 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3729.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:18:11 <Terkhen> I usually use whatever version came with my laptop 08:18:12 <Ammler> planetmaker: not in every country 08:18:24 <planetmaker> when it comes with a new one. Well. But in the whole EU 08:35:23 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 08:37:55 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:38:41 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:42:18 *** Markavian [~Markavian@104.075.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:43:38 <Terkhen> meh, I have spent a day checking an error and it seems to be caused by floating point precision 08:44:19 <planetmaker> :-D those are somewhat the worst 08:44:50 * andythenorth needs to learn how stations work with rail type overlays :o 08:44:52 <andythenorth> or not 08:48:06 * andythenorth wonders where bit 31 is lurking in station prop 09 08:49:07 <andythenorth> ummm 08:49:50 * andythenorth goes right off the idea of doing a station set 08:51:15 <planetmaker> andythenorth, you need to use a specific ground tile. I forgot the number, yexo knows 08:51:50 <andythenorth> it's possible that I have badly misjudged how complicated stations are :( 08:52:12 <andythenorth> to deal with different railtypes is going to be horrible 08:52:20 <planetmaker> why? 08:52:24 <planetmaker> you don't care about 08:54:50 <andythenorth> I think I just don't understand the spec yet 08:54:55 <andythenorth> it must be possible 08:55:33 <andythenorth> I fail to see how to draw the base sprite + have track appear on it 08:55:49 <andythenorth> (ground sprite) 08:56:06 *** Katje [~Kitty@tao.quixotic.eu] has quit [Server closed connection] 08:56:10 *** Katje [~Kitty@tao.quixotic.eu] has joined #openttd 08:59:23 <andythenorth> so where is bit 31 in a dword? 08:59:44 <andythenorth> 00 00 F0 00 ? 09:00:11 <andythenorth> and what does station prop 13 bit 0 do? 09:00:12 <andythenorth> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Stations#General_Flags_13_ 09:00:39 <planetmaker> andythenorth, I mean it literally: as station you don't care about the railtype you are 09:01:04 <planetmaker> the only thing you need to do is to use a specific ground tile and it's handled automatically 09:01:16 <planetmaker> like 0x3FD or alike. 09:03:01 <larsemil> morning 09:03:05 <Terkhen> hi larsemil 09:03:10 <planetmaker> moin 09:03:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:04:01 <larsemil> wadduP? 09:14:44 <dihedral> morning 09:17:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:20:16 * andythenorth finds another glitch with PBS overlays 09:20:24 <andythenorth> stations like ISR marshalling yard 09:21:31 <V453000> that one is bad imo :( does not fit actual rails 09:22:20 <planetmaker> andythenorth, I'm not entirely sure that the overlays are used... 09:22:31 <planetmaker> I think the full rail is drawn. But... it would need confirmation 09:23:00 <andythenorth> last time I checked, the overlays include ballast pieces 09:23:13 <planetmaker> the pbs overlays don't. 09:23:18 <andythenorth> iirc, there is a valid case for that somewhere, but it causes numerous other glitches 09:23:23 * andythenorth checks 09:27:01 <planetmaker> to check my words: ballast = the stones and stuff. sleepers = only the things it's screwed on? 09:27:05 <andythenorth> might be different in opengfx 09:27:19 <andythenorth> hmm 09:27:26 <andythenorth> the sleepers show not ballast, yes 09:27:28 <planetmaker> I doubt that 09:27:29 <andythenorth> you're correct 09:27:36 <planetmaker> :-) 09:27:51 <andythenorth> the effect with ISR marshalling yard is bizarre, because it has missing pixels 09:27:55 <andythenorth> this one is probably an ISR problem 09:31:02 * andythenorth wonders if rail junctions *always* had sleepers from one line drawn above the rails of another line? 09:31:41 <__ln___> that doesn't sound realistic at least 09:32:47 <andythenorth> think it was always the case, looking at screenshots of ttd 09:38:38 *** Markavian [~Markavian@104.075.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:40:49 * andythenorth is baffled on about five fronts and will have tea 09:40:59 <andythenorth> today is not a day for creating newgrf clearly 09:48:57 *** FauxFaux_ is now known as FauxFaux 09:55:17 *** Markavian [~Markavian@104.075.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:55:56 <planetmaker> then make a trip into the bombay suburbs or country side ;-) 09:57:27 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:04:04 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8C94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:09:30 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:27:05 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 10:31:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.240.106.128] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:39:51 *** JOHN-SHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-52-19.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:43:52 *** MinchinWeb [~4e7e283d@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:53:05 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 11:09:51 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@115.242.45.66] has joined #openttd 11:13:36 *** zydeco [~zydeco@163.165.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 11:13:54 <zydeco> greetings 11:15:20 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 11:18:34 <Terkhen> hi zydeco 11:41:38 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.242.45.66] has joined #openttd 11:41:38 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@115.242.45.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:54:50 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.11.181.45] has joined #openttd 12:11:14 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 12:19:05 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 12:21:05 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:37:59 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:38:40 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 12:42:25 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46:51 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 12:48:29 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:51:53 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8C94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:55:15 <sla_ro|master> i got activetcl with expect, where to install activetcl ? 12:55:24 <sla_ro|master> *autopilot 12:59:48 <planetmaker> whereever you want to run openttd from 13:02:39 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 13:13:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.167.231] has joined #openttd 13:15:44 *** dfox_ [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:31:18 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 13:31:31 <dihedral> \o/ my EQ8 is ready 13:31:35 <dihedral> AND i have my /27 subnet 13:34:43 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:37:04 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:47:25 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:47:38 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:50:13 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8C94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:56:21 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Server closed connection] 13:57:39 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 13:57:41 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:cd85:e7ef:d43d:fd62] has joined #openttd 14:02:21 <Eddi|zuHause> what am i doing wrong when it spams 300 errors about SLF_SAVE_NO (and similar) errors when compiling settings.cpp in settings.h? 14:04:57 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... works now... must be a hiccups when updating 14:13:16 <Belugas> hello 14:14:32 <andythenorth> quak 14:14:37 <andythenorth> wrong animal :P 14:28:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 14:28:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Yexo] by ChanServ 14:28:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Terkhen] by ChanServ 14:28:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 14:28:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by ChanServ 14:28:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 14:28:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v peter1138] by ChanServ 14:28:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 14:28:34 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by ChanServ 14:28:45 *** Mazur is now known as Guest41 14:29:42 *** Guest41 is now known as Mazur 14:35:05 <Eddi|zuHause> happy Aschermittwoch ;) 14:35:45 <peter1138> Happy what? 14:36:07 <Eddi|zuHause> in germany, that's the day where carnival season ends 14:36:20 <Eddi|zuHause> where people "get serious" again 14:36:52 <peter1138> Ah, so you're going to be no fun from now until when? 14:37:11 <Eddi|zuHause> 11.11.11 11:11 14:37:44 <Eddi|zuHause> leo says it translates to "Ash Wednesday" 14:38:32 <peter1138> That's quite a long period :S 14:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> germans are serious most of the time :p 14:39:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host103-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 14:40:17 <Wolf01> hello 14:40:25 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has joined #openttd 14:49:00 *** confound [~hdp@69.56.251.245] has joined #openttd 14:49:32 <confound> what does the little plus or cross to the left of some engines in the engine list (manage trains or new engine) mean? 14:49:52 <confound> (this is ukrs) 14:52:07 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.224.180.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 14:53:58 <planetmaker> click it 14:54:16 <rane> what if it blows up the world 14:54:28 <planetmaker> oh, wait. There can be three different symbols. 14:54:35 <planetmaker> It tells you it's running good profit 14:54:55 <planetmaker> if you talk, for example, about the list of all trains you have. 14:55:09 <planetmaker> it has a "-" if it's running a loss 14:55:19 <planetmaker> and a normal coin if it is running a small profit 14:57:07 <planetmaker> confound, see http://wiki.openttd.org/Vehicle_lists 14:58:22 <confound> no, this is when choosing a new vehicle, not next to an existing train. 14:58:53 <planetmaker> got a screenshot for me? 14:59:53 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has joined #openttd 15:00:22 <confound> jussec 15:00:31 *** robotx [~robotx@141-70-75-133.user.wh-stuttgart.de] has left #openttd [] 15:01:22 <confound> http://imgur.com/isp2V 15:02:55 <confound> I thought at first it was a reminder like "this engine needs electrified rails" or something, but it's turned up next to some steam engines 15:07:00 <planetmaker> sorry, no idea right now 15:08:03 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc (4+8)*4+4*2 15:08:04 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 56 15:08:28 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc ((4+8)*4+4*2)/4) 15:08:28 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1) 15:08:32 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc ((4+8)*4+4*2)/4 15:08:33 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 14 15:09:09 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc (4*4+(8+4)*2)/(8+4) 15:09:10 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 3.33333333333 15:09:14 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc (4*4+(8+4)*2) 15:09:15 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 40 15:11:01 <confound> maybe it's something UKRS-specific and I should look there. 15:11:59 <Sacro> Yeah, it is UKRS 15:12:27 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 48/8 15:12:27 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 6 15:13:26 <confound> Sacro: do you know offhand what it means? 15:13:35 <Sacro> I'm trying to remember :P 15:13:56 <confound> heh 15:14:50 * Sacro wonders if pikka is here 15:18:33 <Wolf01> oh, sacro, again with us? :) 15:20:45 <Sacro> yup 15:20:51 <Sacro> I idle always :P 15:21:09 <Wolf01> me too 15:22:16 <andythenorth> @seen pikka 15:22:17 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 53 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Pikka> turkish spam on turkish bread? 15:22:47 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.224.180.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:25:15 <confound> sounds good to me 15:33:15 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:34:33 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0092c9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:43:53 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-139-40.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 15:51:44 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0864d0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:16 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:05:17 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:05:18 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:41 *** Fast2 [~Fast2@p57AF8C94.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:15 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:07:07 <supermop> good morning 16:08:01 <Yexo> good evening 16:08:15 *** Markavian [~Markavian@104.075.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:27 <supermop> how's it going? 16:08:48 <supermop> I haven't implemented that new code yet 16:09:03 <Yexo> holiday this week, so fine :) 16:09:18 <supermop> but i am drawing some more more sprites now, 16:09:38 <supermop> to creat a 4th generation, for monorail, HSR, and Maglev 16:10:01 <supermop> the monorail's roof will be taller, so i want to finish that, then use it for the templates 16:10:49 <supermop> you can look about 12 hours ago in the logs to see all sorts of boring rumination by me about depot architecture 16:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 8*2+8 16:27:27 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 24 16:27:38 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc (8*2+8)/8*2 16:27:38 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 6 16:27:43 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc (8*2+8)/(8*2) 16:27:43 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 1.5 16:30:00 <supermop> hmm? 16:31:32 <frosch123> while i use @calc 1 + 1 in queries to dorpsgek to test whether my connection broke down, i think eddi should definitely improve his mental arithmetics 16:33:10 <supermop> yeah 16:40:28 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a2942.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:45:28 <Eddi|zuHause> nah... my mental arithmetics is fine as it is ;) 16:46:40 *** ar3k [ident@edc179.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:46 *** ar3k [ident@edc179.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:46:48 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 16:50:15 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0864d0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 16:54:12 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-30-124.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:54:24 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0864d0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:59:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A85E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:29 <dihedral> if he changed any part of his mentaliy it would no longer be Eddi|zuHause, would it now ;-) 17:07:42 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC3729.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 17:09:30 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:12:45 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@115.240.55.103] has joined #openttd 17:17:39 *** andythenorth [~andy@115.242.45.66] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:04 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 17:19:22 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:11 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:40:44 *** dfox_ [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:40:53 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... in nml, the curvature info is split up into three variables, how can i access the "unsplit" variable? (http://hg.openttdcoop.org/nml/raw-file/tip/docs/vehicles.html#vehicles-vars) 17:40:55 <supermop> any germans around? 17:41:00 <supermop> oh there we go 17:41:54 <supermop> what gender would you give to quesadilla, if you had to? 17:42:11 <supermop> if you were borrowing it into a german sentence 17:42:51 * confound tries again 17:42:58 <confound> anyone know what the + next to some engines is here? http://i.imgur.com/isp2V.png 17:43:01 <Terkhen> it's feminine in spanish 17:43:07 <supermop> yeah 17:43:30 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quesadilla 17:43:33 <andythenorth_> good night 17:43:34 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@115.240.55.103] has left #openttd [] 17:43:40 <Terkhen> confound: looks like something specific to the train set, you might have more luck asking at the set thread 17:43:49 <confound> yeah, it's ukrs-specific 17:43:51 <confound> thanks 17:44:02 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: above wikipedia entry suggests female 17:44:06 <supermop> but i am having a ridiculous conversation in german with a friend, 17:44:21 <supermop> about a fleischdilla 17:44:46 <supermop> and a fleischdillabÌde 17:45:00 <confound> haha 17:45:37 <supermop> no Ì 17:45:40 <supermop> sorry 17:45:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean a "Bude" ;) 17:46:11 <supermop> yeah 17:46:19 <supermop> its been along time 17:46:20 <Eddi|zuHause> putting in diacritics where they don't belong is very dangerous 17:46:41 <supermop> learnt that word in 1997, have used it maybe 3 times since 17:46:58 <Eddi|zuHause> words get completely different meaning, or completely unrecognizable... 17:47:29 <supermop> i need to improve my german greatly 17:47:50 <supermop> i have completely forgot all of the subjunctive 17:47:51 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-088-067-068-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:54 <supermop> I and II 17:48:02 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: "Peace trough power" - Kane] 17:48:52 <Eddi|zuHause> you can do without those... :) 17:49:18 <supermop> hehe, hence they were the first i forgot 17:49:24 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:49:31 <supermop> but now i am losing even the basic stuff 17:53:11 <supermop> actually wikipedi seems to have a lot of writing in subjunctive I 17:53:31 <supermop> that or i am so clueless that it looks like it to me 17:53:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:10 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 17:55:21 <supermop> Hey Yexo, when Chips comes out, could i have my shed grf detect it and use your ground textures instead of mine? 17:55:42 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: passive is common, conditional is not... 17:55:49 <Yexo> you can't use graphics from another grf, you'll have to include them in your grf too 17:55:57 <supermop> thats what i mean 17:56:03 <supermop> but you won't mind? 17:56:09 <Yexo> I don't draw any graphics 17:56:25 <Yexo> andy draws them, they're licensed as gpl, so if you comply with that you're fine 17:56:32 <supermop> ok, 17:56:43 <supermop> i think i made MLSS GPL2 17:57:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: seen my question above? 17:57:52 <Yexo> not yet, but I've seen it now 17:58:25 <Yexo> var[<num>, <shift>, <and-mask>] works for all variables 17:59:48 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:08 <Yexo> var[0x45, 0, 0x0F0F0F] <- that gives you the curvature info 18:00:30 <supermop> i thought subj ii was conditional, subj i was indirect discourse 18:01:16 <Yexo> <supermop> i think i made MLSS GPL2 <- there is nothing about that in the forum topic, but as only author you're free to change the license however you want 18:01:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: thanks 18:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: is that documented somewhere? 18:01:41 <Yexo> don't think so 18:03:00 <supermop> yexo, i thought i noted that on bananas 18:03:08 <supermop> but i can update it 18:03:16 <supermop> it needs a new release soon 18:03:27 <Eddi|zuHause> something different: if i change the sprite for a wagon, it also changes in the vehicle details. is there some way to separate the two? 18:03:27 <supermop> might rewrite it in nml 18:04:47 <Yexo> hmm, vehicle details is the same sprite as the menu list, right? 18:06:08 <Eddi|zuHause> you sure? 18:06:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i might try that then 18:06:17 <Yexo> no, that was probably wrong 18:06:27 *** SpBot [spbot@skrblz.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 18:06:33 <Yexo> I don't think there is any way to separate them 18:06:37 <Yexo> frosch123: any ideas? 18:10:40 <frosch123> currently there is no way to separate them 18:10:55 <frosch123> and no, it is not the purchase sprite, nor would it work 18:11:09 <frosch123> as the sprite need to depend on the consist 18:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe a flag like "in depot" -> "in vehicle details/vehicle list"? 18:12:30 <frosch123> hmm, i thought i wrote something on that topic in the "vehicle views" topic 18:13:42 <Eddi|zuHause> currently, they change shape depending which sprite i choose by curvature info, and that doesn't make a lot of sense. 18:14:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly sure the airplanes do that as well when they show different sprites for starting/landing 18:14:42 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: currently the sprite is not resolved for the gui 18:14:55 <frosch123> but cached and only updated when the vehicle moves 18:15:18 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 18:15:18 *** George is now known as Guest116 18:15:18 *** George|2 is now known as George 18:15:39 <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=919433#p919433 <- found it 18:19:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not really sure i understand everything you say there... 18:20:26 <frosch123> it's mainly about: currently the sprite is resolved when the vehicle turns, and then always the same sprite is drawn on the map, the gui or whereever 18:21:09 <frosch123> you can remove the caching and resolve the sprite for every drawing. that way you get more freedom what to draw (as you do not space to store the result) 18:21:33 *** Guest116 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:00 <frosch123> the rest is about not having a idea whether the current caching actually speeds anything up, or whether it just a waste of time to resolve and cache sprites for vehicles which are not drawn at all 18:22:54 <frosch123> (though of course one could also try to resolve the sprite only on first use, and then cache it; but that is not what ttd/ottd does) 18:24:26 <Eddi|zuHause> what about ignoring the cache in the GUI? 18:24:59 <Eddi|zuHause> or having a separate GUI cache 18:25:58 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B102324.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:28 <Eddi|zuHause> where in the code is this cache? 18:27:47 <frosch123> hmm, actually i might be totally wrong :s 18:30:08 <frosch123> yeah, looks like the caching is only done for on-the-map 18:30:28 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B105739.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:31:13 <frosch123> so, maybe we should just pass something via var 10 when drawing for the gui 18:31:46 <frosch123> iirc var 10 already passing something for drawing other stuff 18:34:57 <Eddi|zuHause> the specs are a bit low on words for usage of var 10 18:35:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:40:57 <pasky_> someone should write a turing machine emulator newgrf 18:41:13 <frosch123> newgrfs are not turing complete 18:41:17 <frosch123> (intentional) 18:43:34 <Eddi|zuHause> well, technically they are (save memory space), but only during loading stage 18:44:28 <pasky_> hmm, it's been a long time 18:45:26 <Terkhen> what are they missing? 18:45:40 <Eddi|zuHause> Terkhen: during callbacks, you can't make loops 18:46:06 <frosch123> they are only decision trees 18:46:11 <Yexo> which is sometimes annoying 18:46:13 <Terkhen> hmm... I see 18:46:21 <Yexo> I do have a use-case for a simple loop 18:46:36 <frosch123> really? 18:46:53 <Yexo> a station with a buffer on a single side 18:47:06 <Yexo> autodetect which side borders the most industry tiles and build the buffer on that side 18:47:14 <Yexo> it can be done without a loop, but it's easier with one 18:47:52 <frosch123> well, you have procedures :) 18:47:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: why not use rail continuation information for buffers? 18:48:12 <Yexo> sorry, I meant platform, not buffer 18:48:20 <supermop> ah 18:48:24 <Yexo> see http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/chips/nightlies/r25/log/chips.nfo sprite 19 18:48:54 <Yexo> right now it's a varaction2 with +- 200 operators 18:49:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm doing something wrong... my GDB doesn't show debug information for openttd 18:50:01 <Yexo> did you configure with --enable-debug ? 18:50:10 <Yexo> try --enable-debug=3 if you used a lower level 18:50:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly sure i did 18:50:44 <Yexo> frosch123: already using procedures, but there use is limited when you have two values that constantly change 18:50:48 <pasky_> hmm, somehow i got it stuck in my mind that loops are possible in newgrfs, but i think i was really wrong 18:51:05 <Yexo> pasky_: loops are possible in the grf loading stage, just not during callbacks 18:51:12 <pasky_> how are they done in loading stage? 18:51:23 *** pasky_ is now known as pasky 18:51:24 <peter1138> goto :) 18:51:28 <Yexo> action 9 jumping to an action 10 that was defined before it 18:52:02 <pasky> oh so it can jump to previous labels 18:52:12 <pasky> somehow the specs confused me 18:52:18 <pasky> should've looked at the code directly :) 18:52:19 <pasky> thanks 18:52:44 <Yexo> Since 2.0.1 alpha 70, duplicate labels are fully supported. The jump will always be to the first matching label that follows. If no matching label follows, the first matching label in the file will be used instead. 18:52:52 <Yexo> ^^ spec looks pretty clear to me 18:53:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Yexo: i had this weird effect before: a crashlog can resolve the backtrace, but gdb cannot 18:53:50 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: strange, now idea how that can happen 18:55:11 <pasky> Yexo: of course if you read all of it, i just glanced at "skips sprites" in the description :) 18:55:52 <frosch123> pasky: you are lucky that noone of us knows what you implemented yourself :p 18:56:07 <Yexo> don't blame the specs when you don't read them all :) 18:56:09 <pasky> ;-) 18:57:23 <pasky> frosch123: no, at my times there were no labels yet 18:57:35 <pasky> just checked 18:58:35 <frosch123> ah, bad luck for you. your stuff is already in the new svn 18:58:39 <frosch123> so blame works :p 18:58:59 <pasky> :P 18:59:14 <pasky> i'm using the git mirror of course :) 19:00:23 <pasky> oh there weren't even callbacks, okay, that really was primitive 19:04:38 <frosch123> interesting r2130 knows a2 types 80 to 83, but no word and dword stuff 19:08:26 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 19:13:58 <supermop> is it just me, or do trees in ottd form areas of primarily one species? 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20:30:28 <peter1138> Check http://servers.openttd.org/ 20:30:57 <anonymou> peter1138: Thanks. 20:31:27 <anonymou> Stable it is, then. 20:34:51 *** confound [~hdp@glaive.weftsoar.net] has joined #openttd 20:36:29 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@baud.org.uk] has quit [Server closed connection] 20:37:02 *** Macha [~Macha@109.78.107.80] has joined #openttd 20:37:04 *** Macha [~Macha@109.78.107.80] has left #openttd [] 20:37:04 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@baud.org.uk] has joined #openttd 20:42:20 <anonymou> Anybody want to test an OS X build? 20:43:22 <frosch123> http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/1.1.0-RC2/openttd-1.1.0-RC2-macosx-universal.zip <- that one? 20:43:49 <anonymou> One for 1.0.5. 20:44:25 <frosch123> what's the point in testing 1.0.5? :p 20:44:44 <anonymou> No OS X bundle and seems the majority of the servers use it. 20:44:47 <anonymou> I'm sure the code is fine. 20:44:52 <anonymou> Just not sure about the bundle. 20:45:24 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 20:46:19 <zydeco> what could be wrong about it? 20:46:26 <planetmaker> anonymou: there are several people who offer them. And 1.0.5 is... somewhat... a discontinued branch ;-) 20:46:39 <anonymou> Oh. 20:46:40 <anonymou> Good to know. 20:46:48 <anonymou> Though, don't tell the people running the servers. 20:47:01 <anonymou> Only thing I could think of are dependency issues. 20:47:02 <planetmaker> there are no official 1.0.x builds 20:47:12 <planetmaker> and yes, deps are the usual thing which fail 20:47:18 <planetmaker> If you don't build with static 20:47:34 <Rubidium> zydeco: at the most general level: missing files 20:47:34 <zydeco> otool -L should show what it depends on 20:47:55 <planetmaker> also good evening everyone :-) 20:47:59 <Rubidium> either the license, or required files such as translations 20:48:14 <anonymou> Forget it. 20:48:29 <anonymou> I'll go with 1.1.0 20:48:44 <peter1138> Which doesn't exist? :D 20:48:45 <planetmaker> ./configure --enable-universal --enable-static && make bundle_zip 20:49:00 <planetmaker> hehe 20:49:14 <anonymou> Well, the RC. 20:49:21 <anonymou> Picky, picky. 20:49:22 <planetmaker> there are two 20:49:44 <planetmaker> yes, picky. Because it matters. A lot 20:49:53 * anonymou leaves for less ornery endeavors. 20:50:41 <anonymou> What's the differences between RC1 and 2? 20:51:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:53 <Yexo> anonymou: go to http://www.openttd.org/en/download-testing and click on "changelog" on the right 20:51:59 <zydeco> bugfixes? 20:52:22 <planetmaker> crash fixes even ;-) 20:55:05 *** alluke [~52b528fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:05:08 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 21:05:13 <Eddi|zuHause> http://nopaste.php-q.net/465849 <-- i seem to be doing something wrong. case 1 and 3 don't seem to be reached, i only get 2 and 4 ingame 21:05:46 *** ezrakilty [~ezrac@67.110.141.71] has joined #openttd 21:06:13 <Eddi|zuHause> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=VarAction2Vehicles#Curvature_info_45_ (for reference) 21:07:42 <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: front->cur = 45* curve. cur->next 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