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07:18:40 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b3d8e.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:26:35 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:33:21 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:34:54 *** chrism [~user@220-235-80-118.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 07:38:09 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 07:59:36 *** andythenorth [~andy@91.125.142.2] has joined #openttd 08:02:07 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaab32.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:03:43 <andythenorth> mornings 08:07:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:08:56 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:18 <Terkhen> good morning 08:28:12 *** andythenorth [~andy@91.125.142.2] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:35:50 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaab32.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:49:06 *** ar3k [~ident@eco185.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 08:56:30 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecj199.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:12:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CF37.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:12:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B9F3.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:18:25 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.16.239.66] has joined #openttd 09:18:45 <pikka> gentlemen 09:19:11 <__ln__> where?! 09:19:18 <planetmaker> birdman 09:19:41 <planetmaker> good morning everyone 09:20:31 <pikka> must be some somewhere, ln 09:21:24 <planetmaker> ha, someone must still believe in the good :-) 09:23:02 <pikka> the birds in thi 09:23:11 <pikka> er 09:23:16 <pikka> that tree 09:23:23 <pikka> are noisy 09:23:31 <pikka> but not noisome 09:26:26 <pikka> good morning planetmaker 09:26:58 <planetmaker> and when you park your car beneath their sleeping tree... you don't want to look at it later :-P 09:27:20 <pikka> indeed 09:27:43 <planetmaker> I tried it out yesterday during sports :-( 09:28:01 <pikka> whoops 09:28:39 <planetmaker> now I know why the parking space was empty there :-P 09:29:12 <pikka> :) 09:31:01 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B1027EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:32:31 <pikka> this bench is uncomfortable 09:33:06 *** perk11 [~perk11@sR-UN-2.izmaylovo.net] has joined #openttd 09:33:16 * planetmaker suggests to use another one then :-) 09:34:02 <pikka> they all appear to be the same! 09:34:29 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B1044E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:42 <planetmaker> drat. Upgrade to bench 2.0 then ;-) 09:34:54 <pikka> hmm 09:36:50 <pikka> I could go in the mealroom but its too cold 09:36:50 <pikka> or I could sit in the bus, but its dark 09:59:45 *** andythenorth [~andy@91.125.142.2] has joined #openttd 10:04:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 10:05:02 *** perk111 [~perk11@sR-UN-2.izmaylovo.net] has joined #openttd 10:09:07 *** perk11 [~perk11@sR-UN-2.izmaylovo.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:53 <dihedral> we host a website named "kernenergie.de" .... 10:10:08 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 10:11:48 <SmatZ> dihedral: why does it have wind power plants at its main page? 10:12:21 <dihedral> hehehe :-D 10:12:32 <dihedral> none of my concern :-P 10:12:34 <SmatZ> :) 10:12:44 <dihedral> but the 70-90 Mbit/s coming from a bot net is 10:13:05 *** perk111 [~perk11@sR-UN-2.izmaylovo.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:40 <SmatZ> well, that page seems to load fine 10:15:02 <dihedral> the cpu load is 300 MHz according to esx 10:15:18 <SmatZ> interesting 10:15:30 <peter1138> That's an odd measure for load... 10:15:32 <SmatZ> it takes currect CPU MHz and multiplies it by load? 10:15:48 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has joined #openttd 10:30:01 <pikka> hello andy 10:30:08 <pikka> et al 10:30:26 <pikka> et Pedro1138 10:30:52 <pikka> and du 10:32:14 <pikka> what are the haps chaps? 10:39:11 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:40:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CF37.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:59 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CF37.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:46:17 <andythenorth> hellos 10:46:23 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:46:29 * andythenorth is removing lego from the baby's mouth 10:46:39 <andythenorth> says 3-6 years on the box 10:46:41 <andythenorth> he's 12 months 10:46:46 <andythenorth> nah...it'll be fine :P 10:47:02 <andythenorth> turns out he can't swallow if you hold him upside down 10:47:05 <andythenorth> so far anyway 10:51:04 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:51:42 <peter1138> :S 10:52:23 <planetmaker> he :S 10:53:39 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:55:03 <andythenorth> is roadtypes done yet? 10:55:06 <andythenorth> :P 10:55:14 * andythenorth checks own progress 10:55:25 * andythenorth got stuck at second hurdle 10:55:41 <andythenorth> save game safety after moving some map bits 10:56:06 * andythenorth can not haz leet coder 10:57:08 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:03:30 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:03:51 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has joined #openttd 11:04:35 *** perk11 [~perk11@81.17.157.195] has quit [] 11:20:02 *** andythenorth [~andy@91.125.142.2] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:26:50 *** andythenorth [~andy@91.125.142.2] has joined #openttd 11:29:55 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.12.7.215] has joined #openttd 11:31:54 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:31:57 *** Andel [~andel@178.32.93.43] has joined #openttd 11:32:49 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:31 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:28 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: for moving map bits, take e.g. saveload/afterload.cpp:1180-1185 as example 11:37:04 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: or ll. 1310-1336 11:39:06 <andythenorth> thanks 11:39:11 <andythenorth> my brain is somewhere else right now 11:39:28 <andythenorth> but it would be nice to make some progress on roadtypes :) 11:42:59 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC2640.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:45:41 <andythenorth> success is more likely from someone who can actually code though :P 11:46:19 <andythenorth> I would happily bash on the drawing functions, I understand those so far 11:46:40 <andythenorth> but without any bits set, I can't write much drawing code :D 11:47:36 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d821c57.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:50:57 <Terkhen> heh, a turing test for OpenTTD AIs 11:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause> well, if give me a table of what bits you want moved (like in docs/landscape.html), i could try it 11:52:18 <pikka> mmm woadtypes 11:53:18 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: "e.g. move the road works counter to m4 and use m7 bits 4..0 for the 2nd road owner" 11:53:47 <pikka> 2nd owner... 11:53:58 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: yes 11:54:06 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: ^ was the suggestion I was given ;) 11:54:07 <pikka> interesting 11:54:16 <Eddi|zuHause> pikka: "owner of second road type" 11:54:33 <pikka> oh 11:54:59 <pikka> for overlayable roads like trans, I see 11:55:03 <Eddi|zuHause> pikka: a road tile currently can have 3 owners. road, tram and station [or rail] 11:57:09 <pikka> hm 11:57:09 <pikka> right, I see 11:57:09 * pikka back to driving 11:58:37 <Eddi|zuHause> while we are here: why has road/rail owner been switched for level crossings, and why has it not been un-switched? 11:59:12 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 12:07:29 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p579D61A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:15:15 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 12:18:47 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p579D61A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 12:19:25 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 12:22:22 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:24:26 <pikka> D: 12:26:53 <pikka> hmm 12:27:22 <pikka> speed limits in roadtypes may be interesting... 12:28:06 <pikka> the only way to do it 'realistically' may be with a cb36 on the vehicle 12:28:49 <pikka> or with some kind of speed limit table for the roadtype 12:29:27 <andythenorth> changing vehicle performance by roadtype would also be interesting.... 12:29:42 <pikka> yep 12:29:57 <andythenorth> what's the best way to represent reduced traction? 12:30:02 <andythenorth> lower TE? 12:30:19 <pikka> I guess so 12:30:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host169-234-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:30:45 <Wolf01> hello 12:30:48 * pikka drives again 12:47:34 <Chris_Booth> pikka you have seen the GFR error with FIRS and the monster Box wagon in UKRS2? 12:55:44 <pikka> the white lines? sure, just sprite cutting errors, no big deal 12:56:06 <pikka> ill fix them for the next version 12:57:03 * planetmaker wonders whether pikka hasn't grfcodec show the white pixel warnings 12:57:41 * andythenorth has a question 12:57:48 <andythenorth> can I ask? :P 12:58:04 * planetmaker wonders whether andythenorth can now even ask a 2nd question :-P 12:58:19 <andythenorth> I keep seeing the request to disable sets of vehicles in grfs 12:58:24 <andythenorth> can't the game provide that 12:58:34 <andythenorth> add an action 0 label property to vehicles 12:58:40 <andythenorth> similar to stations 12:58:43 <planetmaker> that depends on the definition of "sets of vehicles" 12:58:55 <andythenorth> station tiles have a class 12:59:25 <andythenorth> or a GUI to turn on / off individual vehicles in a grf? 12:59:40 <planetmaker> yes, but vehicles have their 'type'. Introducing a separate class might be feasible 12:59:47 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the use of that? 12:59:50 <planetmaker> And the GUI is the parameter settings 13:00:00 <planetmaker> just a boolean parameter for each 'class' 13:00:16 <planetmaker> I'd not see how that'd work differently, though, if vehicles had a class property 13:01:17 <andythenorth> someone writes in once in game, saves newgrf authors endlessly writing their own version? 13:01:40 <planetmaker> but that only would allow to disable all trams (or whatever) 13:01:44 <planetmaker> in all newgrfs 13:01:53 <planetmaker> or it's a thing newgrfs would have to provide anyway 13:02:11 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: so. conceptual problem: moving owner2 to m7 is fine for normal road, but level crossings store owner1 there. 13:02:41 <planetmaker> and if you allow classes to be newgrf-defined... you cannot add general switches to OpenTTD. You cannot opt to only use cargos a,c,d and f; but not b and e 13:02:44 <Eddi|zuHause> could move owner1 to m1 where it belongs, but then the rail owner must be stored somewhere else 13:09:40 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:14:20 <andythenorth> planetmaker: this would be on a per-newgrf basis 13:14:27 <andythenorth> it would probably need new storage :P 13:14:37 <planetmaker> uhm, why? 13:14:54 <andythenorth> because players want to disable / enable specific vehicles in specific newgrfs 13:15:17 <planetmaker> I think you need to explain more how those classes are supposed to work 13:15:35 <andythenorth> ok 13:15:40 <planetmaker> things like station classes, cargo labels, railtype labels - they can be defined to every newgrf author's liking 13:15:52 <planetmaker> OpenTTD cannot provide means to disable a specific one. 13:16:10 <andythenorth> so...'classes' in this case are local to each grf 13:16:20 <andythenorth> they are defined in action 0 for each vehicle 13:16:22 <andythenorth> it's a string 13:16:39 <andythenorth> openttd reads all the action 0s, looking for classes 13:16:43 <andythenorth> it appends them to a list 13:16:44 <planetmaker> Then it's easy for a grf to provide an action9 to skip the vehicle when parameter a is set 13:16:52 <andythenorth> hmm 13:16:54 <planetmaker> it's one line per vehicle 13:16:56 <andythenorth> yes I know :) 13:17:08 <planetmaker> and cannot fail then 13:17:20 <andythenorth> well not all requests are valid I guess :P 13:17:37 <andythenorth> maybe this one fails the filter 13:17:37 <planetmaker> really, you're proposal sounds you want to replace one line in your newgrfs by another line. Only to reach the very same thing 13:17:51 <andythenorth> it's not one line 13:17:52 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 13:17:54 <planetmaker> it is. 13:17:56 <andythenorth> it's a bunch of action 14 as well 13:18:17 <planetmaker> -1 * 0 07 <some parameter value> <skip next n sprites = action0 of vehicle> 13:18:46 <planetmaker> and a parameter for each vehicle class. Yes. But you'd need to define those "labels" somewhere, too 13:19:06 <andythenorth> changing this parameter in a running game would be...bad 13:19:08 <planetmaker> you can as well do that in one action14 thing. Which is quite easy to do, too 13:19:16 <planetmaker> changing vehicle availability, too 13:19:25 <planetmaker> so it would be a pre-start option anyway 13:19:29 <andythenorth> hmm 13:19:38 <andythenorth> you're correct, but not 100% convincing ;) 13:19:43 <andythenorth> I'll do it your way for HEQS 13:19:44 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i predict the sum of all action14s that all newgrf authors combined will write won't make up for the code this needs 13:20:00 <andythenorth> it's quite a complicated new bit of GUI 13:20:13 <planetmaker> ^ my feeling ;-) And even if: the newgrf approach is much more flexible. 13:20:17 <andythenorth> is there a third option somehow? 13:20:20 <planetmaker> andythenorth, complicated? 13:20:22 <planetmaker> how so? 13:20:30 <andythenorth> option A is do it in newgrf - fine, I'll do it that way 13:20:40 <andythenorth> option B is try to provide it in openttd - BAD 13:20:49 <andythenorth> I wondered if we missed any alternatives? 13:20:59 <andythenorth> I can't think of one 13:22:07 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:cee:3981:a4be:fdf8] has joined #openttd 13:22:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:22:43 <andythenorth> planetmaker: complicated - this would have to be added to newgrf window somewhere 13:22:51 <andythenorth> and a modal dialogue provided 13:22:57 <andythenorth> and someone has to think about save / cancel 13:23:03 <andythenorth> and...stuff 13:23:14 <andythenorth> work 13:23:39 <andythenorth> I think this idea died 13:26:20 * andythenorth to work 13:26:24 <andythenorth> back later 13:26:24 *** andythenorth [~andy@91.125.142.2] has left #openttd [] 13:52:36 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:58:28 *** Mazur [~mazur@53551A99.cm-6-6a.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:09:20 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:31:11 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.16.239.66] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 14:35:08 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4d0cfb7e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:47:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:51:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:07:29 <dihedral> who would be so stupid to run a wget loop from hetzner? 15:08:40 <V453000> me! 15:08:51 <SmatZ> me too 15:08:56 <Ammler> no, me want 15:08:59 <SmatZ> :P 15:09:06 <V453000> :P 15:09:41 <Ammler> he, and good day guys 15:09:54 <V453000> beer to the swiss! 15:09:59 <V453000> :) 15:10:11 <V453000> (== good day) 15:10:25 <SmatZ> :-) 15:10:26 <V453000> oh wait you drink milk, right? :D 15:10:27 <SmatZ> hello Ammler 15:10:37 <V453000> :P 15:11:09 *** andythenorth [~andy@91.125.142.2] has joined #openttd 15:12:10 <Ammler> right now, apple must (or how that is called) :-) 15:15:28 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm105.epsilon84.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 15:18:09 <Eddi|zuHause> might be iMust now ;) 15:20:55 <dihedral> someone got an idea how i can sum up numbers? each number on a separate line... - shell please :-P 15:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause> awk 15:21:56 <Eddi|zuHause> awk 'BEGIN {$sum = 0} {$sum+=} END { print $sum }' or something 15:22:41 <dihedral> i think i managed with for and expr 15:22:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure you can figure out the details ;) 15:28:34 *** Zonta [~DAN@bas2-sthubert21-1096555774.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:30:08 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 15:32:52 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:38:02 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:02 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 15:39:54 <V453000> Ammler: applesaft at least imitates beer by the colour :P 15:45:57 *** andythenorth [~andy@91.125.142.2] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:58:18 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has joined #openttd 16:07:12 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 16:07:26 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:12:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fedec.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B796.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:06 *** alluke [~52b528fd@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:39:43 *** JVassie_ is now known as JVassie 16:45:40 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 16:45:42 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 16:53:07 *** andythenorth [~andy@91.125.142.2] has joined #openttd 16:53:47 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-159-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:53:51 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0b3d8e.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:56:17 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-159-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:36 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-89-201.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:16 *** ar3k [~ident@eco185.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:41 *** ar3k [~ident@eco185.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 17:12:43 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 17:13:59 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Visit my community site at http://sla-co.webs.com/] 17:14:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:54 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:21 *** Devroush|2 [~dennis@ip-83-134-139-166.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 17:20:44 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-139-166.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 17:20:48 *** Devroush [~dennis@ip-83-134-139-166.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [] 17:25:45 <Eddi|zuHause> http://skitch.com/monkeydom/rw93y/atomadleronedom 17:28:15 *** andythenorth [~andy@91.125.142.2] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:35:52 <avdg> yay, new generation of life 17:47:10 <Eddi|zuHause> (ever since medieval times, a black eagle on golden shield was the symbol of germany) 17:59:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:04:25 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:35 *** ar3k [~ident@eco185.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:17:22 *** ar3kaw [~ident@eco185.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:36 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecg88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:34:57 *** ar3k [~ident@eco185.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:39 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-088-067-068-236.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:40:15 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD3BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:41 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaab32.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:41:40 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecg88.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:30 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 18:43:44 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:32 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: translators * r22255 /trunk/src/lang/ukrainian.txt: 18:45:32 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:32 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 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Improved Timetables Marshmallow ? 19:48:42 <Rubidium> management? 19:48:46 <Eddi|zuHause> something like that ;) 19:58:58 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 20:02:59 *** krinn [~krinn@98.227.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:08 <krinn> hi 20:03:32 <krinn> is the ai save timing/trigger configurable? 20:05:38 <Yexo> which ai save timing? 20:05:47 <Yexo> the amount of time the Ai has for saving? 20:05:53 <krinn> no 20:06:06 <krinn> doc says save function is trigger when user hit save button 20:06:20 <krinn> but in fact, the save function is trigger after some time or an event i don't know 20:06:31 <krinn> but always even if the user never use the save button 20:06:37 <Yexo> the AI save function is called exactly at the time when the game is saved 20:06:43 <Yexo> maybe you have enabled autosave? 20:06:56 <krinn> ah yes, might be that ! 20:07:41 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 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vehicle block access to the other bay 20:39:11 <frosch123> 1. make sure the station is part of the orders (explicitly ordered, not via non-non-stop). 2. make sure the driving distances to the bays are not too different. 3. make the vehicle decide late where to go. 4. make the vehicles not arrive all at once 20:39:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-143-163.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:39:44 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:40:11 <confound> yeah it's the driving distance thing 20:40:53 <confound> thanks 20:40:58 <confound> well, 2 and 3 20:41:18 <confound> by 'decide late' you mean give plenty of crossing roads so they can change direction, right? 20:41:43 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: Visit my community site at http://sla-co.webs.com/] 20:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause> "was gibt es besseres als eine heiÃe dusche und danach ein kÃŒhles blondes?" 20:42:04 <Eddi|zuHause> "eine heiÃe blonde und danach eine kÃŒhle dusche!" 20:42:17 <krinn> you can use waypoin to force them decide, but a bit of pain to handle truck by waypoint 20:42:35 <krinn> like truck1->wp1->station, truck2->wp2->stationbay2... 20:42:47 <confound> yeah that's horrible :) 20:42:53 <krinn> :) 20:42:55 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:03 <confound> I have about 300 trucks at this station 20:43:05 <krinn> imo a 10 truck bay must be horrible too 20:43:15 <Eddi|zuHause> use trains. 20:43:44 <krinn> it's more a human choice Eddi|zuHause i think he knows trains can do the work ;) 20:43:59 <confound> it's ukrs2 and the only livestock car is terrible 20:44:18 <confound> plus I want to be able to design efficient truck stations too 20:44:46 <krinn> confound, you can't really do that, as the auto taking bay is a bit weak 20:45:03 <confound> what frosch123 helped a lot 20:45:10 <confound> er, what frosch123 said 20:45:17 <krinn> it's like "truck arrive near-> truck see empty bay-> going there", but when truck2 arrive, the bay is still empty for it too, even truck1 is going to it 20:45:22 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 20:45:29 <Eddi|zuHause> there's not much to design, one-way roads are limited and the bay-assigning-algorithm can't properly predict the near future... 20:45:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:45:59 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't have "signals" to help you guiding the traffic 20:47:04 <confound> my station was also overcrowded after upgrading to new trucks so selling a third of them helped too 20:47:10 <krinn> you can use the road one way as Eddi|zuHause suggest to limit "truck dropper" and "truck getter" sharing the same bay, even they share same station 20:47:45 <confound> yeah, good point 20:49:27 <Eddi|zuHause> the closest i ever got to "designing" a road station was this: http://media.openttd.org/images/screens/0.7/Klein_Elsmuenster2_krause_20090711.png 20:51:19 *** grzywa [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 20:54:03 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaab32.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:06 *** grzywa [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:19 <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, how Westerbrjicken Gbf Kohle could be in range ? looks pretty far from the industry 20:55:53 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: it's not. it's a transfer station, train brings coal, trucks deliver coal to the plant 20:56:06 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:21 <Eddi|zuHause> the label denotes a "waypoint", the actual station is the following one, attached to the train station 20:56:53 <krinn> ah ok, insane but nice :) 20:56:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:41 <Eddi|zuHause> three industries are serviced this way. a food processing plant (livestock, grain), a saw mill (wood in, processed wood out) and a power station (coal) 20:59:21 <Eddi|zuHause> the "waypoints" are set so that trucks of different cargo don't interfere with each other 20:59:37 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe33dc00-53.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:00:31 <krinn> dunno how people could live in that town with such a traffic at their windows :) 21:01:12 <frosch123> they are all employed to carry the coal from the truck station across the road to the power plant 21:02:20 <krinn> eheh like in real life, after reaching a certain point, you can do what you wish 21:02:59 <krinn> should rename it to detroy :) 21:03:09 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 21:15:50 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:12 *** grzywacz [~grzywacz@89-78-180-180.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined 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Leaving.] 23:11:44 *** DabuYuTimeOut [DabuYu@128.250.79.189] has joined #openttd 23:18:57 *** DabuYu [~80fa4fbd@webuser.thegrebs.com] has left #openttd [] 23:22:41 *** DabuYuTimeOut is now known as DabuYu 23:27:45 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 23:27:58 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 23:33:11 *** rane [~rane@smtp.gentoo.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:33:12 *** rane [~rane@smtp.gentoo.org] has joined #openttd 23:36:56 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 23:37:58 <confound> it seems like the catchment area for nonuniform stations doesn't act like I expect 23:38:48 <confound> does it take the farthest-spread parts of the station, draw a rectangle between them, and extend the catchment area from that rectangle? 23:38:51 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-58-181.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:39:14 <confound> looks like yes 23:40:51 <confound> weird! 23:41:15 <SmatZ> yes 23:41:21 <SmatZ> well... 23:44:36 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-83-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:31 <Eddi|zuHause> for delivering cargo to industries, the smallest rectangle around the station is relevant, for picking up cargo from the industry, the smallest rectangle around the industry is relevant 23:53:03 <SmatZ> yup :) 23:53:04 <Eddi|zuHause> this rectangle is extended by the catchment radius of the station 23:53:17 <SmatZ> I was searching for a wiki article, but then I forgot... 23:57:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19BEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]