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Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe35dc00-187.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:10:07 <planetmaker> moin 07:19:04 <Markk> moin 07:33:24 *** Zc456 [~chatzilla@96-37-242-178.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110318052756]] 07:34:43 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.147.130] has joined #openttd 07:44:10 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:52:58 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 08:03:07 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:12:50 <Terkhen> good morning 08:14:55 <andythenorth> morning Terkhen 08:15:44 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa59a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:18:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CF8C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:19:13 <dihedral> morning 08:33:49 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:34:25 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbaa59a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping 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ways to visually indicate station ratings 10:57:21 <andythenorth_> showing cargo waiting is a proxy for bad service 10:57:32 <andythenorth_> but there could be alternatives 10:59:22 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:02:17 <andythenorth_> maybe a flag? 11:02:18 <andythenorth_> hmm 11:02:32 <andythenorth_> maybe a crane where the jib angle varies according to station rating 11:02:39 <andythenorth_> may be a little phallic 11:03:32 <Wolf01> a pie? 11:03:48 <andythenorth_> on the station tiles itself? 11:03:57 <Wolf01> why not? :D 11:04:01 <andythenorth_> ho 11:04:17 <andythenorth_> a tower of lights, more are lit if service is good? 11:04:44 <andythenorth_> something animated which moves ever faster if rating is good? 11:05:05 <Wolf01> monkeys 11:05:10 <andythenorth_> bit small 11:05:16 <andythenorth_> they'd be like 1 pixel each, max 11:08:17 <Wolf01> the whole station: bad rating -> rusty infrastructures, broken benches, creepy buildings with unsafe parts... good ratings -> the station looking a bit better... excellent ratings -> shiny new station 11:09:44 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10:15 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:14:29 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:20:52 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Quit: ...] 11:21:10 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:09 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:35:22 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 11:35:38 *** JVassie_ [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 11:41:25 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:57 *** ar3k [~ident@ecu134.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read 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you mean? 12:49:10 <flitz> yep 12:50:24 <flitz> my goal is to paint all vehicles in a group into a gui-window, I have compared how this is done in the depot-gui and the group-gui 12:54:46 <Yexo> I'd copy the code from the group-gui if I were you 12:55:00 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:25 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:55:33 <Yexo> but basically it comes down to: FOR_ALL_VEHICLES(v) if (v->IsPrimaryVehicle() && v->group_id == group_id) { do_something_with_vehicle; } 12:55:53 <flitz> ok thanks 12:56:24 <flitz> copying would involve deriving my gui from BaseVehicleListWindow, right now I inherit from just Window 12:56:47 <flitz> because BaseVehicleListWindow seems to have an vehicles[] data field 12:57:07 <Eddi|zuHause> so what's the problem with that? 12:58:23 <flitz> I thought there might be an easier way as changing the inheritance gives a lot of errors right now :) 12:59:04 <Yexo> inheriting from BaseVehicleListWindow is the proper way 13:03:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:04:34 <flitz> most convenient right now would be if I could use BaseVehicleListWindow like a nested widget 13:06:16 <flitz> but I will just extend it to make it look like might gui looks right now 13:08:41 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:56 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like you should rethink your architecture 13:17:21 <flitz> it's a bit difficult to find out where and how vehicles are stored exactly, even with the doxygen files 13:18:02 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why FOR_ALL_VEHICLES() exists 13:18:15 <flitz> what I'm not sure of right now is which vehicles are in the vehicles[] field of the BaseVehicleListWindow for example, all vehicles of a company or only of a specifiv group ? 13:18:36 <flitz> ok I will look into this then 13:19:03 *** Aylomen [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.160.97.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:01 <Belugas> hello 13:26:26 <planetmaker> salut Belugas 13:29:41 *** mib_42y93o [5168a2e8@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:32:54 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7088:c2ce:9dac:d129] has joined #openttd 13:32:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:34:48 *** mib_42y93o [5168a2e8@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:35:44 <Yexo> flitz: it depends on a little structure VehicleListIdentifier, which you probably should set in the constructor of your window 13:35:45 <Belugas> bien le bonjour, planetmaker :) 13:36:01 <Yexo> documentation on that is indeed somewhat lacking, but GenerateVehicleSortList in vehiclelist.cpp should make it more clear 13:37:21 <flitz> thanks, Yexo 13:42:35 *** andythenorth_ [~andy@87.113.147.130] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 13:58:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B540.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:00 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andythenorth does ponder 17:23:49 <andythenorth> industry able to specify terraforming => useful 17:23:58 <supermop> pondering the true nature of firs? 17:25:53 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-22-190.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:27:03 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: are you planning something for the industries that don't need level territory? like scrap yards could use adapting their graphics to the territory, while mines could use custom foundation graphics. 17:27:28 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: currently filed under 'life is too short' 17:28:59 * andythenorth thinks about petrol station 17:29:10 <andythenorth> in FIRS it has large storage tank 17:29:14 <andythenorth> IRL that's not so 17:29:20 <andythenorth> but it makes it easier to see in town 17:29:33 <andythenorth> anyone really *hate* the tanks? 17:30:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i wasn't really fond of the petrol station graphics the last time i looked 17:30:32 <Eddi|zuHause> so i think: "yes" 17:30:33 <andythenorth> they are changing now 17:30:45 <andythenorth> I am making an initial improvement 17:30:53 <Eddi|zuHause> petrol station tanks are usually underground 17:30:53 <andythenorth> to get an idea of possibilities 17:31:11 <peter1138> They have LPG tanks sometimes. 17:31:32 <peter1138> But yeah, petrol/diesel tanks are underground. 17:31:36 <andythenorth> I'm not worried about reality 17:31:42 <andythenorth> it's more 'does it look good'? 17:32:03 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-169-20.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:17 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-088-065-225-254.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:33:13 <peter1138> Show me a pic ;) 17:33:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:22 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/petrol_station.png 17:36:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i kind of liked the TTRS/ECS petrol station, it just needs adapting to the neighbouring road 17:36:44 <Eddi|zuHause> but that's probably not FIRS-style 17:37:36 <supermop> I'd rather not have a big 'petrol' sign 17:37:44 <andythenorth> indeed 17:38:00 <peter1138> next to the station? 17:38:08 <peter1138> yeah, those tanks look more like grain silos 17:38:09 <supermop> maybe a color stripe on the edge of the canopy would help you see it 17:38:15 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:38:25 <andythenorth> the canopy is getting redrawn 17:38:37 <andythenorth> in fact, all of it is getting redrawn ;) 17:38:37 <supermop> like the part of a BP canopy that was green, on the early 90s style BPs 17:38:47 <andythenorth> CC 17:38:54 <supermop> or that is yellow and red on a shell station 17:38:55 <supermop> yeah 17:38:59 <peter1138> you need one of those price signs 17:39:00 <supermop> i was going to say that 17:39:14 <supermop> sign yes, but no visible text 17:39:15 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i think it's currently the worst looking piece in FIRS 17:39:24 <supermop> i wouldnt say that 17:39:37 <supermop> i dont mid it, but it is drab 17:39:38 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i really hate it 17:39:46 <andythenorth> me too 17:39:52 <andythenorth> hence redraw 17:41:24 <andythenorth> http://www.brickset.com/detail/?Set=6397-1 17:41:42 <supermop> i had that! 17:41:50 <supermop> so awesome 17:42:22 <supermop> Ha i like how they are changing that guy's tire right at the pump 17:44:04 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: one thing, the paths under the roof should be parallel to the road 17:45:05 <supermop> not in an american station 17:45:33 <supermop> i understand if its a european centric set 17:45:34 <supermop> but 17:45:46 <andythenorth> I might go road-sensitive 17:45:50 <andythenorth> or I might not bother 17:45:56 <andythenorth> depends if I draw a better ground tile or not 17:46:03 <supermop> plenty of gas stations have pumps perpendicularly to road 17:46:21 <supermop> majority of stations since 70s in the US 17:47:13 *** flitz [~me@dslb-188-097-237-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: flitz] 17:47:17 * andythenorth sees little point in worrying about that 17:47:26 <andythenorth> the road doesn't connect to the gas station anyway :P 17:48:22 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: still the ground tile could use some pseudo-road 17:51:05 <andythenorth> I know :P 17:52:42 <supermop> oh man andy, you got in full on lego town nostalgia here 17:52:49 <supermop> *got me 17:53:41 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: and which road set should I reference? :P 17:53:58 <andythenorth> hmm 17:54:08 * andythenorth thinks of new industry flag: 'can overbuild road' 17:54:24 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: try to make it non-specific 17:54:30 <Wolf01> here we have a gas station with a merge before split link to the road which is really annoying :P 17:54:40 <andythenorth> unfortunately, due to the unique way your bits are funded, road + industry on same tile is a no-go 17:54:44 <andythenorth> can we have more bits please? 17:54:46 <andythenorth> :P 17:55:23 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: we need newairports for custom road paths through objects/industries 17:56:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4d11.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:03 * andythenorth ponders crazy bit stuffing schemes 17:58:33 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-088-065-225-254.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:38 <andythenorth> quak 18:02:25 <frosch123> moin 18:06:17 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: no bitstuffing needed, the paths would be presented via callback 18:07:15 <Eddi|zuHause> in a "light" version giving entrance and exit, for pathfinder use, and a "heavy" version giving the state machine for vehicle movement 18:11:42 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-10.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:12:14 <andythenorth> we need new airports for a lot of things :( 18:12:16 <Eddi|zuHause> the pathfinder part is irrelevant for airports, but i think quite relevant for road stations 18:12:45 *** v3rb0 [~v3rb0@78.84.201.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the state machine is the only thing not implemented for airports. 18:13:53 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-10.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:14:37 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: "He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past." - Kane] 18:16:24 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: you hate the petrol station tanks? 18:16:33 * andythenorth is thinking of keeping them :P 18:16:39 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. that ÃŒart the most 18:17:19 <andythenorth> ok :P 18:17:30 <Eddi|zuHause> *part 18:17:32 <andythenorth> does make it look like a truck depot 18:17:32 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-10.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [] 18:17:41 <andythenorth> how else do you know to deliver petrol :P 18:17:42 <andythenorth> ? 18:17:45 <andythenorth> nvm 18:17:53 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-10.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:19:09 <Eddi|zuHause> what's missing is a building for the shop, etc. 18:19:16 <andythenorth> adding a proxy version now 18:19:22 <andythenorth> it had tanks attached :P 18:19:29 <andythenorth> borrowed from the aluminium mill 18:19:42 <andythenorth> I'll improve it later 18:20:53 <supermop> andy do you accept drawings as suggestions for layouts? 18:20:53 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and if a petrol station had above-ground taks, they would likely be lying tanks, not standing ones 18:26:41 <supermop> whoa there used to lego Exxon stations? 18:33:39 <andythenorth> and shell 18:33:54 <supermop> yeah i remember the shell 18:34:13 <supermop> but exxon was either way before my time, or not in my market 18:34:27 <supermop> i assume due to the oil spill 18:35:48 <andythenorth> yay 18:35:55 * andythenorth finds the foamer video he was seeking 18:35:55 <andythenorth> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfexVm1Hy6Q 18:36:04 <andythenorth> that train boots it 18:36:15 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:36:34 <andythenorth> funny how other people were looking for it this week and found it 18:37:18 *** ar3k [~ident@ech28.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:39:13 <supermop> guy needs a faster miata 18:44:42 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecu134.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22272 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/frisian.txt: 18:45:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frisian - 3 changes by gjannema 18:52:48 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-10.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:53:08 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-10.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:56:48 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:56:51 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:59:10 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 19:12:40 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 19:51:19 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC34EF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:00:32 *** krinn [~krinn@98.227.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 20:00:39 <krinn> hi 20:03:40 <Alberth> hi 20:04:33 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.147.130] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:11:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.147.130] has joined #openttd 20:12:01 <andythenorth> what's more 'default' for a station? 20:12:06 <andythenorth> a crane or a small building? 20:12:09 <andythenorth> (freight station) 20:12:14 <supermop> hmm 20:12:19 <supermop> small building 20:12:58 <supermop> i think there would usually be at least a shed or prefab thing even in the most remote loading areas 20:13:27 <supermop> as unless the train crew is doing the loading themselves, there would have to be some people around 20:14:13 <__ln__> actually i have a suggestion related to stations, but i doubt anyone cares. 20:15:19 <supermop> lets hear it, if andy doesnt care, i might for my set 20:16:41 <__ln__> well, a station with 2 or more tracks always has the roof on its platforms... while in the middle of nowhere, or on an industrial station it's quite unlikely there would be a roof. 20:17:27 <__ln__> so it could be left undrawn if the station isn't near enough to a town to accept passengers, for example. 20:18:14 <supermop> sounds like an idea for ogfx+ stations 20:18:23 <krinn> most freight station have a roof too, but are in fact more a building than a station 20:18:42 <krinn> freight leave under rain is generally lost freight 20:18:43 <supermop> which is likely not going to happen until nml supports stations 20:18:53 <supermop> not coal 20:19:05 <__ln__> krinn: except if it's wood 20:19:12 <krinn> generally means some exceptions exist guys :) 20:19:13 <supermop> or steel 20:19:43 <krinn> but even freight who doesn't care about elements, still care about not been stolen 20:19:50 <krinn> that's why building are use 20:20:00 <supermop> again, coal, wood, steel 20:20:23 <supermop> if you can carry that off with you, you can probably break into the building 20:20:55 <krinn> it's easier to protect a closed building 20:21:40 <krinn> building gave more benefits: hidding what you do in it is also good for the business 20:21:49 <krinn> not to show what you are doing with living animals 20:22:20 <krinn> not to show how/what you are doing to your opponent (hmmm, better word for that, but others companies that do like you) 20:22:36 <krinn> protect from thief and elements... 20:23:03 <krinn> as you see, except when conditions are special (like gas) open station for freight are bad vs closed ones 20:23:31 <__ln__> a train can be over half a mile long, that requires a long building to drive it in 20:24:04 <krinn> must be why the building have entry & exit with rails :) 20:25:59 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.147.130] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:26:54 <krinn> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/fr/d/d2/Photo_personnelle_de_la_gare_de_Capdenac_-Aveyron%2812%29-_.JPG 20:27:19 <krinn> sample here, i'm you could find one opened too, but the hangar is there for that 20:27:32 <krinn> s/i'm/i'm sure 20:29:58 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.147.130] has joined #openttd 20:30:05 <supermop> that looks like a passenger station 20:30:30 <krinn> concept is a bit the same 20:31:07 <krinn> but generally passenger station cover the "waiting/business" part where passenger wait the trains & buy tickets 20:31:22 <krinn> and you have a small roof for lines where passengers wait for incoming trains 20:31:48 <krinn> here you have only the rail cover for loading freight 20:31:57 <krinn> and no station to wait/business tickets... 20:35:51 <planetmaker> g'evening 20:36:01 <krinn> you should also see always many rails uncovered where to store waiting trains... when a passenger stations have limited (because closer generaly in town) rails number 20:36:04 <krinn> hi 20:38:13 *** perk11 [~perk11@sR-UN-2.izmaylovo.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 20:39:06 *** perk11 [~perk11@sR-UN-2.izmaylovo.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:13 *** ecke [~ecke@188.75.128.2] has joined #openttd 20:49:39 <Chris_Booth> krinn do you want a grf similar to that layout? 20:50:53 <krinn> didn't ask anything for one time :) 20:51:39 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:51:57 <Chris_Booth> sorry should have read the convo 20:53:28 <krinn> no problem 20:54:54 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: "He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past." - Kane] 20:56:29 <krinn> someone can point me to an url for suggestions, i've heard one exist but no idea where it is 20:56:54 <Eddi|zuHause> forum? 20:57:24 <krinn> i'm looking in it, but the thread is not sticky so 20:57:33 * Alberth points to lmgtfy.com 20:58:08 <krinn> oh :) there's a suggestion section in the forum 20:59:22 <andythenorth> bye 20:59:28 *** andythenorth [~andy@87.113.147.130] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:06:42 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-110-172.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:22:22 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08f1df.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 21:42:31 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:42:41 *** Krusen [~as.if@89.184.153.221] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:18 *** Aylomen [~chatzilla@DSL01.83.171.160.97.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:53:08 *** Ruudjah [~opera@86.93.109.194] has joined #openttd 22:02:58 *** ar3k [~ident@ech28.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 22:03:04 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4d11.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:05 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:14:45 <Wolf01> 'night 22:14:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host193-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:21:40 *** Ruudjah [~opera@86.93.109.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:17 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-220-10.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:35:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:37:05 <Terkhen> good night 22:38:31 <krinn> good night too 22:38:41 *** krinn [~krinn@98.227.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:38:47 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:33 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 22:53:45 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:29 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-088-065-225-254.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:58:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B540.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:41 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:02 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:35 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37:34 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has joined #openttd 23:44:25 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]