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17:36:14 *** BenW_ is now known as BenW 17:38:26 <planetmaker> taste is as diverse as there are players 17:39:30 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:39:33 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 17:39:36 <planetmaker> I'd go for heqs, egrvts or LongVehicles, GenericTrams 17:39:43 <planetmaker> oddink ;-) 17:39:55 <Alberth> moin pm 17:40:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:40:44 <Alberth> (I am not daring such greetings after yesterdays laser, papyrus, and what not :) ) 17:40:54 <planetmaker> :-D 17:43:05 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6F667.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:47 <confound> andythenorth: I know there's been conversation about changing how supplies work in firs -- what are you currently thinking? do you like it the way it is? 17:45:58 <confound> I mean I have seen comments about not liking the "set up a 3-tile truck route to deliver 2 crates/onth" 17:46:02 <confound> motnh 17:46:02 <confound> month, too. 17:51:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:51:48 <andythenorth> confound: I am happy with supplies the way it is 17:52:03 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-90-231.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:52:07 *** Doorslammer [770b0499@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:53:49 <confound> is there a technical reason why one couldn't do something like "primary industry accepts supplies and processes them itself over time" to avoid the tiny delivery route? not asking you to include that, wondering how hard it would be for someone else to do if they wanted it 17:54:01 <andythenorth> they could do it 17:54:25 <andythenorth> its approximately what ECS does 17:54:25 <planetmaker> oh noes 17:54:34 <andythenorth> therefore it would seem better to just play ECS 17:54:35 <planetmaker> ^ 17:55:07 <andythenorth> it also has the disadvantage of being uninteresting 17:55:09 <confound> doesn't ECS also have acceptance limits on secondary industries? that seems like a much bigger change than the supplies 17:55:25 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-190-113.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:55:52 <andythenorth> I don't know 17:56:05 <confound> setting up identical 3-tile truck routes for everything is uninteresting too 17:56:21 <planetmaker> then use another solution 17:56:32 <planetmaker> like setting up a round trip 17:56:45 <confound> hm 17:57:06 <confound> that seems like it would be way less efficient though, or much more tedious to time well 17:57:19 <planetmaker> besides I like the idea of regional distribution centres. It actually makes sense and - behold - is even realistic :-P 17:57:21 <andythenorth> on the slow processing model, here is what is required: 17:57:27 <andythenorth> build one 2,000t train 17:57:35 <andythenorth> route it to each industry once 17:57:41 <andythenorth> then scrap it 17:57:44 <planetmaker> :-) 17:57:48 *** staN [~Miranda@p4FD84B58.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:52 <andythenorth> each industry will have 160 years of supplies 17:57:53 <confound> andythenorth: I was thinking more that the industries would not accept more than, say, 1 year's worth of supplies at a time 17:58:06 <planetmaker> then you have ecs acceptance limits 17:58:13 <planetmaker> what you exactly just complained about 17:58:18 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-125-245.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:58:20 <andythenorth> and then 'FIRS has stockpiling, I hate FIRS' 17:58:25 <confound> for specific secondary industries 17:58:32 <confound> that you don't expect to make money anyway 17:58:35 <andythenorth> and simply n requests to 'increase the stockpile limit' 17:58:37 <andythenorth> :) 17:58:38 <confound> at least I don't :) 17:58:47 <andythenorth> we shipped an early release of FIRS with stockpiling 17:58:49 <andythenorth> it failed 17:59:02 <confound> stockpiling for everything is not what I suggested 17:59:09 <confound> and this is also why I said "I am not asking you to include this" 17:59:10 <andythenorth> I mean wrt supplies 17:59:11 * Alberth is very happy with lack of stockpile limits 17:59:14 <confound> ah 17:59:21 <andythenorth> confound: yes, it would be possible 17:59:22 <confound> because of the 2000t train situation? 17:59:41 <andythenorth> if you go back sufficiently far in the repo, there is code for it, complete with configurable limits ;) 17:59:57 <confound> why didn't people like it? 18:00:09 <Alberth> why don't you like ECS ? 18:00:42 <andythenorth> limits hurt your network 18:00:46 <confound> doesn't ECS have limits on *all* cargos? 18:00:55 <peter1138> Limitatio disturbs me 18:00:57 <peter1138> etc etc 18:01:05 <andythenorth> also 18:01:19 <andythenorth> TTD towns do it the FIRS way in arctic and tropic 18:01:25 <andythenorth> and Chris Sawyer got *most* stuff right 18:01:28 <Alberth> it is virtually impossible to get the balance right, so you are constantly adjusting trains etc. 18:01:43 <andythenorth> this way is more fun 18:01:50 <confound> or letting supplies build up at the station, I guess 18:02:03 <andythenorth> the 3 tile truck route is a little....odd 18:02:13 <andythenorth> for starters it could be 1 station tile + depot 18:02:25 <andythenorth> :P 18:02:39 <confound> still tedious and not fun (for me), unlike everything else about firs 18:02:56 <confound> anyway, I am exploring options, not saying what I think is better or what everyone else should like 18:03:02 <andythenorth> building routes is not fun? 18:03:47 * andythenorth wonders if FIRS wiki page might be best edited.... 18:03:53 <confound> not the "tiny delivery of supplies" ones, no 18:03:58 <confound> because they are the same everywhere 18:04:08 <andythenorth> build a couple of trucks, route them? 18:04:12 <andythenorth> yes, I know what you mean 18:04:38 <andythenorth> hmm 18:04:53 <andythenorth> perhaps think of things that would take the existing mechanic and make it more fun.... 18:05:05 <andythenorth> there have been suggestions by others 18:05:19 <andythenorth> confound: aren't routes from coal mines the same everywhere? 18:05:22 <andythenorth> and towns? 18:05:25 <andythenorth> and forests? 18:05:27 <confound> no, they depend on local terrain 18:05:33 <confound> since I do not play on a totally flat map 18:05:39 <confound> with everything in a grid 18:06:05 <andythenorth> I play on mountainous with high water FWIW 18:07:50 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/game_2.png 18:08:03 <George> andythenorth: There is a parameter in ECS to switch off stockpiling limits 18:08:10 <andythenorth> thought so :) 18:09:27 <andythenorth> confound: you use RVs for supplies? 18:09:59 <confound> depends. not in 1850 :) (except the monthly delivery) 18:10:07 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 18:10:58 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i think i have a FIRS bug: the recycling depot is generated in large quantities in 1920 (like factor 10 more than all other industries) 18:11:39 <confound> andythenorth: usually I use whatever network is used to gather cargo 18:11:53 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: that is a bug :D 18:12:08 <andythenorth> confound: so small trains? 18:12:37 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: would you mind filing a reeeport 18:12:37 <confound> sure, depending on what you mean by "small" 18:12:48 <andythenorth> what size? 18:12:51 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: where? 18:13:19 <confound> I dunno, 2-4? 18:13:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i spotted some other bug-ish, but i forgot what it was... :/ 18:13:41 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/firs/issues 18:13:41 <confound> 25%-50% of the size of the other trains on those lines 18:13:57 <andythenorth> confound: does it work ok? 18:14:04 <andythenorth> I don't use trains much for supplies 18:14:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and: in some places, english strings show up 18:14:32 <confound> yes, except when I accidentally give them wagons/engines that make them too fast and they cause delays by stopping and starting a lot 18:15:23 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabe5c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:28 <confound> or cutting between big freight trains and making them have to stop 18:16:22 <andythenorth> you should add that to the wiki page :) 18:18:21 <planetmaker> [20:14] Eddi|zuHause and: in some places, english strings show up <-- that will be my fault then 18:18:47 <confound> I assumed that was what people were doing already, given http://wiki.openttd.org/FIRS#Supply_Orders 18:19:04 <confound> or did you mean the engine thing? 18:19:13 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: e.g. in the glass works, it produces "manufacturing supplies" instead of "ProduktionsgÃŒter" 18:19:23 <planetmaker> hm 18:22:54 <confound> andythenorth: ok, added it 18:23:59 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:24:04 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-27-193.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:24:25 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-190-113.w109-212.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:14 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabe5c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:39 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:33:51 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: and recycling depot lacks a gender (or is not translated at all) 18:34:12 <planetmaker> which firs version? 18:36:09 <Alberth> planetmaker: http://www.fpaste.org/wp7D/ typofix in lang 7F 18:37:21 * andythenorth wonders if FIRS needs more wiki pages :P 18:37:39 <andythenorth> there are completely alternative and more sane ways to deliver supplies 18:37:57 <andythenorth> the train + 3 tile truck route looks clever, but isn't 18:38:25 <andythenorth> early in the game supplies are in short supply, or should be 18:38:54 <andythenorth> locking up hundreds of tonnes of them as inventory at stations is a *bad* idea 18:38:55 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:40:01 <andythenorth> one 60 crate trainload could supply 60 different industries for one month 18:40:07 <andythenorth> or 5 industries for a year each 18:40:20 * andythenorth considers reducing amount of supplies available on the map 18:40:42 <Alberth> planetmaker: I was too optimistic, there are more such typos 18:40:55 <planetmaker> he 18:41:20 <andythenorth> Alberth: I cannot type recylables for the life of me 18:41:27 <andythenorth> I have had so many build errors due to this 18:41:35 <andythenorth> I should just call it 'kibble' 18:41:40 <andythenorth> which I can spell :P 18:41:43 <planetmaker> :-) 18:41:58 * andythenorth needs a FIRS wiki slave 18:42:11 <Alberth> how much does it pay? 18:42:33 <andythenorth> it pays well in whuffle 18:43:01 <andythenorth> there are at least 3 ways to deliver supplies, each probably worth its own wiki page, linked from FIRS main page 18:43:15 <Alberth> andythenorth: not being able to type it correctly makes recycables a bad cargo, doesn't :) 18:43:23 <andythenorth> by default 18:43:28 <andythenorth> yes 18:43:37 <andythenorth> I shall now remove all references to it 18:43:52 * andythenorth will actually go to the pub for once 18:43:59 <andythenorth> a rare event post-baby 18:44:01 <Alberth> good idea 18:45:11 <andythenorth> 'someone' should explain how to deliver supplies using the straightforward route of 'build a road network' 18:45:20 <andythenorth> and 'buy trucks with low capacity and good speed' 18:45:33 <confound> so when I start at 1850 using nars, what good speed trucks are you suggesting? :P 18:45:40 <andythenorth> there aren't any 18:45:42 <andythenorth> it's hard then :P 18:45:59 <andythenorth> and eGRVTS is broken wrt realistic acceleration 18:46:14 <andythenorth> someone should code a packhors 18:46:15 <andythenorth> e 18:47:00 <confound> yeah, I had it turned on once and wondered why my horses couldn't move 18:47:09 <andythenorth> eGRVTS gives you a nice steam cargo tram in 1860 18:47:16 <andythenorth> it's ideal for supplies 18:47:50 <andythenorth> but otherwise yes, at that point, I concede to trains :) 18:47:50 <confound> it's slower than the carriages are 18:48:22 <confound> nothing goes faster than the 16mph 4 (or 6? I forget) horse carriages for a while 18:48:26 <confound> no rvs, that is 18:48:31 <andythenorth> trains only ;) 18:48:55 <confound> but then the trains are pretty expensive too, and it sucks as much to tie them up delivering 1 crate to a mine as it does to tie up the crates in station inventory :) 18:49:29 <andythenorth> confound: you are using the lumber yard for supplies in 1850? 18:49:35 <andythenorth> I guess 18:49:49 <andythenorth> or the forge? 18:49:54 <Eddi|zuHause> am i supposed to get a registration mail from devzone? 18:49:57 <confound> forge 18:49:58 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-27-193.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:00 <confound> + iron works 18:50:05 <confound> er, duh. 18:50:14 <andythenorth> is that chain good? I haven't used it in my test game 18:50:33 * Alberth ponders how to translate recyclables 18:51:00 <confound> it worked out pretty well, but I was playing sort of on easy mode (no primary industry closing) 18:51:03 <planetmaker> RecyclinggÃŒter 18:51:10 <andythenorth> confound: I play that too ;) 18:51:12 <planetmaker> but into Dutch... 18:51:17 <andythenorth> primaries shouldn't close, it's boring 18:51:32 <Alberth> Recyclegoederen :) 18:51:35 <confound> no supply reduction either? 18:51:38 <andythenorth> nope 18:51:42 <confound> I can't remember firs parameters 18:51:47 <confound> I also think it's boring but I feel guilty :) 18:51:48 <Alberth> doesn't sound very good imho 18:52:10 <confound> anyway, I ended up building a steel mill 10 squares away from the iron works so that I wouldn't have to rebuild all the infrastructure 18:52:21 <andythenorth> that's kind of one of the intentions 18:52:29 <andythenorth> if you can afford it... 18:52:43 * andythenorth has no good answer to 'fast vehicles for supplies in 1850' 18:52:52 <andythenorth> trains are the only fast vehicle you'll get 18:53:06 <andythenorth> early games are not supposed to be easy / fast 18:53:10 <andythenorth> ;) 18:53:14 * andythenorth to the pub 18:53:16 <andythenorth> bye 18:53:16 <confound> well, luckily for me, supplies weren't as rare as you want them to be 18:53:17 <Alberth> recyclables as cargo are somewhat weird, they would usually get sorted 18:53:19 <confound> so I didn't have problems :) 18:53:33 <andythenorth> Alberth: so would goods :P 18:53:35 <Hirundo> Alberth: "Herbruikbare goederen" ? 18:53:38 <confound> it was a huge boost when I got the iron ore -> metal -> supplies -> mines cycle going though 18:53:57 <Alberth> Hirundo: sounds better :) 18:54:20 <Hirundo> It still makes me prefer english, though :) 18:54:38 <Alberth> andythenorth: useful, you can immediately ship the waste back to the houses :p 18:54:50 <planetmaker> lol 18:56:06 * andythenorth -> pub 18:56:08 <andythenorth> bye 18:56:08 *** andythenorth [~andy@80.229.121.87] has left #openttd [] 18:57:36 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p57A6F667.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:59:26 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-24-7.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:11:23 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 19:23:33 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-143-224.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:26:46 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-007-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:30 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbabe5c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:57 <Neon> Hello. Does anyone know something about the distant_join_station and join_stations settings (station settings in openttd.cfg)? They're not described on the wiki and I'm not sure what they do but it may be interesting. 19:30:00 <planetmaker> try to build a station with ctrl+click somewhere near another station 19:30:02 <planetmaker> you'll see 19:30:51 <Chris_Booth> evening all 19:31:07 <Alberth> Neon: http://wiki.openttd.org/Stations Building non-physically attached stations 19:31:14 <Neon> Ok then let me guess: join_stations will enable this ctrl+click feature (new station will belong to the present one) and distant_join_station will enable using a higher distance 19:31:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:31:50 <Neon> I'm currently configuring a dedicated server, so testing is not so comfortable - don't even know if these settings have an effect for dedicated servers. 19:32:53 <planetmaker> that depends. If you upload a savegame: then not. If you just start a random game: yes 19:33:05 <planetmaker> and testing can be done conveniently locally 19:33:44 <Neon> Ok thanks for your help. 19:44:35 *** MinchinWeb [~4e7e25bf@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:44:37 *** MinchinWeb [~4e7e25bf@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:44:45 *** MinchinWeb [~4e7e25bf@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 19:48:24 *** sla_ro|vista [slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: "He who controls the past commands the future, He who commands the future, conquers the past." - Kane] 20:15:49 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:26 *** jenesis [~jenesis@host94-60-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:16:43 <jenesis> ciao 20:16:52 *** jenesis [~jenesis@host94-60-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 20:17:27 <confound> ... 20:22:59 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 20:24:14 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... timetable window needs some width adjustmen... 20:28:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd1aa.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:54 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A77B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:32 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 2780/5 21:09:32 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 556 21:10:11 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 2780/8 21:10:11 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 347.5 21:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 350*8-2780 21:10:46 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 20 21:16:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22281 /branches/1.1/ (8 files in 5 dirs): 21:16:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [1.1] -Backport from trunk: 21:16:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: In the scenario editor you could build a ship depot using the appropriate hotkey. Removing that depot causes an assertion to trigger [FS#4558] (r22266) 21:16:36 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [1.1] -Prepare: 1.1.0 21:18:01 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-007-186.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: http://neon-gaming.de/ - Infinite Variety] 21:19:57 <Wolf01> april fool as every year? 21:21:10 <Eddi|zuHause> if you presume it takes >45min 21:21:38 <Rubidium> building definitely does 21:22:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22282 /tags/1.1.0/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Release: 1.1.0 21:22:51 <Eddi|zuHause> mÀh... these pesky freight trains screw up all my schedules... 21:23:14 <supermop> schedule them at night 21:24:26 <SmatZ> troll :P 21:25:01 <Twerkhoven[L]> its always night somewhere 21:25:06 <Rubidium> supermop: can't, then the maintainance has to happen 21:26:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22283 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Merge from 1.1: documentation updates/release changes 21:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 210/60 21:27:42 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 3.5 21:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 75*3 21:28:26 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 225 21:30:11 <supermop> hah 21:30:23 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 21:30:36 <supermop> well, at least thats what i try to do when i play with departure boards 21:31:34 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [] 21:31:47 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 21:39:37 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe35dc00-187.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:44:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:45:32 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-088-065-225-254.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:45:44 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-97-15.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:47:27 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 21:48:29 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:48:36 *** blathijs [matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:37 *** blathijs [matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 21:51:09 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:57:10 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e061cc4.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:59:55 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:05:03 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 22:10:26 *** ar3kaw [~ident@eda231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:42 *** ar3k [~ident@eda231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 22:10:43 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 22:15:24 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:20 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:23:33 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 75*4 22:23:33 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 300 22:31:15 *** ar3kaw [~ident@eda231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:59 <Yexo> @topic set 1 1.1.0 22:35:59 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.1.0 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version | English only 22:39:06 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:21 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:00:50 <perk11> 1.1.0 is the stablest ever, lol 23:02:19 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 23:02:31 *** hoax_ [U2FsdGVkX1@dhcp-077-249-151-209.chello.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:03:13 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-206-071.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:04:47 <frosch123> already found a bug? :p 23:04:55 <frosch123> or do you want to change your nick into perk110 23:05:04 <perk11> no no 23:05:41 *** perk11 is now known as perk1_1_0 23:06:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd1aa.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:51 *** Fixer [~Fixer@91.202.128.79] has joined #openttd 23:16:50 <Fixer> congrats with releaase! 23:21:42 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5A3D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 23:22:34 <SmatZ> thanks :) 23:23:49 <Eddi|zuHause> you realize that "110" means police ;) 23:24:05 <Fixer> no i don't 23:31:31 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:34:05 *** Fixer [~Fixer@91.202.128.79] has left #openttd [] 23:37:13 <SmatZ> 110 (one hundred [and] ten) is the natural number following 109 and preceding 111. 23:37:27 <SmatZ> wow, thanks wiki, I wouldn't know 23:38:15 <Wolf01> there are all the numbers? wikipedia should then know the value of infinite :o 23:38:26 <SmatZ> :) 23:38:37 *** hoax_ [U2FsdGVkX1@dhcp-077-249-151-209.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 23:46:51 <Wolf01> 'night 23:47:00 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host193-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:48:28 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-79-208.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:55:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think Wolf01 understood the concept of induction :p