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07:00:28 <Eddi|zuHause> about factor 8 more than a station tile? 07:03:20 <Eddi|zuHause> more like factor 10 07:09:46 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:16:13 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:21:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 07:21:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C767.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:46:59 *** r0b0tb0y [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:49:59 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:52:23 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:53:18 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5B72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:40 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks3.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 08:07:27 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 08:08:47 *** ar3k [~ident@ecy197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 08:13:51 *** JVassie [~James@92.27.149.231] has joined #openttd 08:16:09 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ebm170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:19 <dihedral> good morning :-) 08:18:00 <dihedral> well done for the 1.1.0 release :-) 08:21:35 <planetmaker> heya dihedral :-) 08:22:05 <dihedral> you once are not around for a few days, and partially inactive and boom - new stable! 08:22:08 <dihedral> :-D 08:22:10 <planetmaker> btw, can I ask you to add some howto to your berries? 08:22:41 <dihedral> yes you can 08:22:45 <planetmaker> I toyed with it the other day, but I didn't get far with the current bundle. Only the very old one did work somewhat 08:22:47 <dihedral> and i've not forgotten them ;-) 08:22:55 <dihedral> and am working on the new irc one ^^ 08:23:09 <planetmaker> I mostly mean wrt howto setup the stuff ;-) 08:23:24 <dihedral> aye ^^ 08:23:45 <planetmaker> It was a complete failure, but I'm sure it's just me totally not knowing how to setup things. 08:23:56 <dihedral> i bet so too :-D 08:24:00 <planetmaker> probably wrong or missing config, but I don't know :-) 08:24:09 <dihedral> i believe at least one of the plugins is broken though 08:24:13 <dihedral> so that would not surprise me 08:24:23 <dihedral> config is written if the file is empty 08:24:51 <dihedral> start off with no plugins at all ^^ :-D 08:25:19 <planetmaker> I took the vanilla package from the project's hudson page 08:26:04 <dihedral> really? 08:26:11 <dihedral> with what result? 08:27:59 <planetmaker> well, with the result that I got some java crash / backtrace 08:28:14 <planetmaker> I surely can re-create that, but I don't have it here 08:28:44 <dihedral> null pointer? :-P 08:28:52 <planetmaker> but berries really comes with zero readme... :-) 08:29:08 <planetmaker> but basically twice a license :-P 08:29:37 <dihedral> :-D 08:29:42 <dihedral> yes 08:30:12 <dihedral> interesting 08:35:55 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/148/ <-- like that 08:36:33 <dihedral> you need to use the 'bundle' ;-) 08:36:39 <dihedral> http://hudson.dihedral.de/job/Grapes/ 08:37:09 <dihedral> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/wiki/Run 08:37:10 <dihedral> :-D 08:37:46 <planetmaker> ha, that might be one reason ;-) 08:37:50 <dihedral> :-P 08:38:01 <dihedral> the other build is without any dependencies included 08:38:19 <planetmaker> but how should I know? ;-) 08:38:38 <dihedral> the wiki tells you so 08:38:40 <dihedral> :-P 08:38:42 <dihedral> HEHE 08:38:47 <planetmaker> not that I saw that 08:39:02 <dihedral> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grapes/wiki <- click "RunningGrapes" 08:39:45 <dihedral> hihi 08:40:00 *** krinn [~krinn@98.227.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #openttd 08:40:04 <planetmaker> oh, for heaven's sake, those are links? 08:40:08 <krinn> hi 08:40:25 <planetmaker> You should not configure them to be mistaken as head lines 08:40:25 <krinn> i'm in trouble with bananas, anyone could help ? 08:40:43 <dihedral> planetmaker, it's redmine :-D 08:40:55 <dihedral> krinn, feel free to simply ask what is on your heart :-D 08:41:08 <krinn> second file i have upload i edit the first upload and add the new file in it, but it keep version as the previous one 08:41:19 <krinn> and now trying to upload a new one i then try create another upload, but this time it fail and complain with an error about the application itself 08:41:37 <planetmaker> the latter is not quite descriptive 08:41:56 <krinn> i know, will retry to get the real error 08:42:21 <planetmaker> without you cannot be helped anyway, I'm sure. But I fear it'll either need Rubidium or TrueBrain to look into it. 08:42:26 <planetmaker> Only they have DB access 08:42:36 <planetmaker> neither might be around much currently 08:43:04 <peter1138> Shame none of the other devs has any knowledge in system/db administration... 08:44:40 <krinn> ok i got an Unhandled Exception 08:44:53 <krinn> i knew it wasn't really descriptive :) 08:45:08 <krinn> An unhandled exception was thrown by the application. 08:45:10 <planetmaker> well... does it say more? 08:45:30 <krinn> doesn't help more for me 08:45:44 <krinn> planetmaker, yes last one i have just put 08:46:11 <planetmaker> ok, that's all the browser gives you, no single letter more? Hm, right... 08:46:20 <planetmaker> what item do you try to update? 08:46:20 <krinn> no 08:46:25 <krinn> my ai 08:46:30 <planetmaker> hu? 08:46:32 <krinn> gnu tar file 08:47:00 <planetmaker> damn. Please just paste everything you get at one of the usual paste bins. Makes things so much easier than guessing which comes where in which order 08:47:28 <krinn> i get 2 things 08:47:37 <krinn> big letters : Unhandled Exception 08:47:46 <krinn> and small letters: An unhandled exception was thrown by the application. 08:47:59 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: he gets a nice black on white page; it is a real pretty :D 08:48:03 <dihedral> python - it'll be noted in the error log file on the server 08:48:10 <planetmaker> he, there he is :-) Moin TrueBrain 08:48:14 <dihedral> hello TrueBrain :-) 08:48:15 <krinn> TrueBrain, true :) 08:48:32 <TrueBrain> dihedral: I always love how people make assumptions on installation :D No, those are not logged, sorry :) 08:49:08 <TrueBrain> krinn: http://bugs.openttd.org/ <- upload your tarball there, with a description that it fails, and which AI, which username, the usual (NO PASSWORDS :p) 08:49:15 <dihedral> TrueBrain, ouch :-D 08:49:18 <dihedral> why not? 08:49:23 <TrueBrain> dihedral: as the log will be GBs big 08:49:40 <dihedral> you get that many unhandled exceptions? 08:49:46 <TrueBrain> dihedral: and I dunno ... django doesn't do it by default :p 08:49:49 <krinn> doing that TrueBrain 08:50:39 <krinn> category, ok for AI ? 08:50:49 <TrueBrain> catergory 'website' 08:50:56 <TrueBrain> or project 08:50:57 <TrueBrain> what-ever :p 08:51:08 <planetmaker> project "website" 08:51:17 <planetmaker> not the (usual) OpenTTD which is default 08:51:26 <krinn> Interface ? 08:51:30 <planetmaker> upper left of the bug tracker. Usually quite invisible ;-) 08:51:34 <planetmaker> very upper left 08:51:41 <planetmaker> (it's thus another bug tracker) 08:51:46 <krinn> oh my, really invisible :) 08:51:51 <TrueBrain> but it doesn't really matter tbfh :p Someone moves you otherwise :p 08:52:36 <heffer> is it a good idea to use GCC's LTO support in the fedora package of OpenTTD? 08:53:05 <TrueBrain> either way, for planetmaker: BaNaNaS in general is broken, and I have asked so many times now for someone to rewrite it :p If users do something we have no added as exception yet, it simply fails 08:53:10 <TrueBrain> which sadly enough, happens often :p 08:53:27 <planetmaker> heffer, afaik it doesn't hurt. But whether good or bad...? 08:53:39 <TrueBrain> when they get an unhandled exception, all they can do is post on the bugtracker, and I might find the time to look into it, or Rubidium might :p 08:53:49 <heffer> i think I'll just try 08:53:57 <planetmaker> well, yes, I know, TrueBrain ;-) 08:54:05 <TrueBrain> just making sure you know :) 08:54:35 <planetmaker> That's what I tried to get to. And get you here so that - if you had time - could fix it for him straight away 08:54:39 <TrueBrain> right, I am off to consume some knowledge ... or fail horribly in it; will check what happened with your package later today krinn :) 08:55:05 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: good :D 08:56:04 <krinn> TrueBrain, found the error while copying datas on it 08:56:26 <krinn> last tag was end with / 08:56:30 <krinn> (mistake) 08:56:44 <TrueBrain> :D 08:56:53 <krinn> now i get a more good error (file already exists) 08:57:08 <krinn> There is already a package with the unique id '52544344'. and this one also 08:57:09 <TrueBrain> its so sad BaNaNaS doesn't handle such simple mistake gracefully :( 08:57:22 <TrueBrain> with that, planetmaker can help you juse fine :D :D :D 08:57:25 * TrueBrain hugs planetmaker 08:58:11 * dihedral wants a hug too 08:58:16 <TrueBrain> did you shower? 08:58:20 <dihedral> of course 08:58:25 <TrueBrain> meh 08:58:28 * TrueBrain hugs dihedral ... sort of 08:58:32 <dihedral> pffft 08:58:43 <dihedral> GIMME DAT HUG 08:58:44 <dihedral> :-D 08:59:08 <TrueBrain> planetmaker has it now 08:59:09 <TrueBrain> pfff 08:59:47 * planetmaker hugs TrueBrain 08:59:49 <planetmaker> :-) 09:00:14 <TrueBrain> tnx krinn for still reported :) Will see if I can fix it easily :) 09:00:21 * TrueBrain hugs dihedral 09:00:27 <TrueBrain> see, now we can pass it along :p 09:00:35 <TrueBrain> right, professor is looking angry; bye guys :) 09:00:36 <krinn> you're welcome, and thanks for the support 09:00:37 <planetmaker> hehe 09:01:22 <krinn> planetmaker, how can i solve the file is already there ? 09:01:24 <planetmaker> krinn, generally you can never modify existing entries, only upload new(er) versions for them 09:01:27 *** Chrill [Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #openttd [] 09:01:46 <planetmaker> thus release a new, bug-fixed version for your AI, thus update the internal version and update your existing entry 09:02:12 <krinn> yes but the file might be in database, but not the entry :p 09:02:21 <planetmaker> I don't understand 09:02:49 <krinn> A file with this name already exists 09:03:15 <krinn> but when i hit manager: i only see the previous upload (v094) 09:03:34 <planetmaker> also after refresh? 09:03:49 <krinn> yep 09:04:13 <krinn> a bit like a : when error occurs, bananas still get the file 09:04:25 <dihedral> \o/ 09:04:32 <krinn> now error is corrected (remove the last / in tags) but when valid bananas complain file exist 09:05:36 <krinn> can even gave your its id, as bananas report it : 52544344 09:06:17 <heffer> ah planetmaker btw: can we get a tar.xz tarball of opengfx by next release it's 1,1MB smaller than the tar.gz one for 0.3.3 09:06:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 09:06:39 <heffer> like additionally to the existing tar.gz tarballs 09:07:06 <planetmaker> You mean for OpenGFX? 09:07:14 <dihedral> ^^ 09:07:27 <heffer> right 09:07:47 <heffer> i thought that was what i said :D 09:08:03 <Ammler> heffer: there are still some distros around not able to unpack .xz ;-) 09:08:32 <heffer> yes. that's why i suggested having them side by side with the tar.gz ones 09:08:34 <heffer> like openttd does 09:08:54 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:09:14 <heffer> because in Fedora's case, all versions that aren't EOL can unpack tar.xz 09:09:23 <Ammler> hmm, doesn't the openttd mirror offer those? 09:09:49 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-125-245.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:09:51 <Ammler> no, it doesn't 09:09:53 <planetmaker> http://imagebin.org/146693 <-- it looks like that, there you try to update your AI, krinn ? 09:10:47 <krinn> not at all 09:10:49 <Ammler> heffer: I had to learn first, that source rpms aren't compressed 09:11:05 <krinn> looking like that, but for me i have scroller... active, as i can type in them 09:11:13 <krinn> your pic looks like an already made upload 09:11:25 <planetmaker> isn't your AI already on bananans? 09:11:30 <krinn> i get that if i try to edit the 094 version 09:11:34 <krinn> yes 09:11:44 <krinn> i should edit the 094 ? 09:11:59 <planetmaker> yes. And that screen I posted is where you upload a new version. Enter the new version, select the zip to replace stuff,... 09:12:04 <planetmaker> no, not edit. Update 09:12:24 <krinn> oh 09:12:28 <krinn> trying 09:13:01 <krinn> works! 09:13:23 <planetmaker> http://imagebin.org/146694 09:13:26 <planetmaker> ok 09:13:43 <krinn> confirm, openttd see the 097 now 09:13:49 <krinn> thank you planetmaker 09:13:53 <planetmaker> welcome :-) 09:14:00 <planetmaker> sweet that it works for you now, too 09:14:24 <krinn> dunno how i've done it, but the 094 tags were also having the / at end 09:14:37 <planetmaker> differently probably ;-) 09:15:06 <krinn> yep, upload, then add the / by mistake and it remain like that until i hit the bug with 097 09:15:27 <planetmaker> :-) 09:18:14 <Ammler> heffer: I create a feature request for .xz, it might depend on Debian, if we switch to .xz or need to provide both, suse can handle it down to oldest distro as it supports recompression by the build system 09:18:45 <krinn> what program use xz ? 09:18:56 <planetmaker> openttd 09:19:03 <planetmaker> :-P 09:19:18 <krinn> found it, lzma utils 09:19:36 <planetmaker> it saves about 20% of savegame size compared to the previous method (zip?) 09:19:48 <planetmaker> on same running speed that is 09:20:17 <krinn> there's a swith when compiling openttd to use it ? 09:22:02 <planetmaker> it's on by default. But yes, there is 09:22:12 <planetmaker> ./configure --help will tell you, I don't know by heart 09:22:20 <planetmaker> probably --without-lzma or alike 09:22:39 <krinn> ok will have a look 09:23:11 <planetmaker> ha, Ammler was faster with creating the feature request for the newgrf makefile framework ;-) 09:23:35 <planetmaker> krinn, openttd has an aweful lot of compile-time switches ;-) 09:23:43 <planetmaker> you can also compile it without AI support at all :-P 09:24:02 <krinn> :P yeah i saw one time, scary 09:24:49 <planetmaker> at least as scary is missing png support. libicu ... is better included, too 09:26:01 <krinn> it build with icc ? 09:26:02 <heffer> okay. thanks for handling this :D 09:26:15 <krinn> if anyone tried yet 09:28:18 <planetmaker> it's supported 09:32:07 *** amkoroew1 [~Heinz@p5B104077.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:29 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B106DDC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host32-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:38:30 <Wolf01> hello 09:38:37 <krinn> hi 09:55:56 *** ar3k [~ident@ecy197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56:12 *** ar3k [~ident@ecy197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:56:13 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 10:22:16 *** zgrillo2004 [~zgrillo20@cpe-74-79-113-4.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 10:22:37 <zgrillo2004> anyone here 10:24:36 <Terkhen> @get -3 10:24:36 <DorpsGek> Terkhen: Don't ask to ask, just ask 10:25:45 <zgrillo2004> hey 10:25:52 <zgrillo2004> I have a question 10:26:06 <zgrillo2004> on existing scenaros why cant I add newgrfs 10:26:14 <zgrillo2004> I used to do this with 1.0.5 10:26:35 <zgrillo2004> even going to the scenario editor still locks me out of adding grfs 10:26:42 <Terkhen> do a search on the forums, this has been discussed extensively already 10:27:17 <zgrillo2004> Im sorry. there are too many topics to seRCH FOR THIS MYSELF 10:27:32 <zgrillo2004> IF YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THE EXACT TOPIC NAME THEN i WILL LOOK AT IT 10:27:35 <zgrillo2004> caps 10:28:10 <Terkhen> they are quite easy to find, use the search button 10:29:35 <zgrillo2004> yea 10:29:49 <zgrillo2004> im look at some of them but it is not what im looking for as the topics are dated 10:30:02 <zgrillo2004> I am seeing some that were made in 2010 10:35:59 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:41:45 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecy197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:08 *** ar3k [~ident@ecy197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:42:10 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 10:44:22 *** SmatZ- is now known as SmatZ 10:59:00 <Hirundo> The issue has been discussed in 2010 also 10:59:36 *** ar3k [~ident@ecy197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:00:52 <planetmaker> and answered elaborately just yesterday 11:04:54 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 11:05:35 <zgrillo2004> I got ti now 11:05:37 <zgrillo2004> thanks 11:05:40 *** zgrillo2004 [~zgrillo20@cpe-74-79-113-4.twcny.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 11:06:29 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecy197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:09:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C767.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:14:56 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:15:23 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd 11:15:53 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 11:28:15 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:33:04 *** st-16052 [~st-16052@a89-154-147-132.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 11:33:16 *** aber [~Adium@p5085F79F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:53 *** st-16052 [~st-16052@a89-154-147-132.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [] 11:35:28 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:37:19 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has joined #openttd 11:38:02 *** murr4y [~murray@101.84-48-68.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 11:39:19 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:49:57 *** st-16539 [~st-16539@a89-154-147-132.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 11:51:49 *** st-16539 [~st-16539@a89-154-147-132.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [] 11:54:46 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 12:14:58 *** DanMacK [~DanMacK@206.191.69.149] has joined #openttd 12:18:23 <krinn> does openttd still need the original gfx/sfx from tt with opengfx/sfx? 12:19:32 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.12.7.215] has joined #openttd 12:19:50 <SmatZ> nope 12:20:45 <krinn> maybe add a basic bananas text control so, i've just download 1.1 and it complain about the files 12:21:00 <krinn> logic, i forget to grab opengfx/sfx 12:21:19 <krinn> a bit disapointing knowing bananas can provide them direclty in the game 12:21:37 <SmatZ> you can't run the game without opengfx/orignalgfx 12:21:51 <SmatZ> but you can download opengfx online 12:22:05 <SmatZ> For OpenTTD you can use the original Transport Tycoon Deluxe data files (you need to own a Transport Tycoon Deluxe CD). There are also the free alternatives: OpenGFX (graphics), OpenSFX (sound) and OpenMSX (music). These can be installed automatically by the Windows and OS/2 installers. Please refer to the readme for more information. 12:22:12 <SmatZ> at http://www.openttd.org/download-stable 12:22:18 <SmatZ> this should be enough 12:22:27 <SmatZ> You can download the free alternatives here: download OpenGFX, download OpenSFX and download OpenMSX. 12:22:32 <SmatZ> and it's mentioned even once more 12:22:57 <krinn> yep, but i use the linux version 12:23:03 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 12:23:10 <SmatZ> README.txt 12:23:17 <krinn> it's not i don't have them, just surprise it's not package with it 12:23:43 <SmatZ> if you need it, just download it 12:23:49 <SmatZ> the page says where to download 12:24:19 <SmatZ> if you use your distro's distribution system, complain at your distro's support page 12:24:32 <SmatZ> in gentoo, it works fine :) 12:24:45 <krinn> yep, but they forget to bump it 12:25:06 <krinn> and i was only wishing to try 1.1 like that 12:25:17 <krinn> and forget to grab the openm/sfx files :) 12:26:47 <krinn> how you know i use gentoo you dirty fbi boy :p 12:27:36 <SmatZ> hehe :) 12:28:03 <Chris_Booth> SmatZ: spies on everyone 12:28:29 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f878:f1ca:261a:f152] has joined #openttd 12:28:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:29:26 * krinn wonder if he should put some clothes on 12:29:51 <SmatZ> OpenTTD by default searches in /usr/local/share/games/openttd, but gentoo installs data files to /usr/share/games/openttd (or something like that) 12:30:35 <SmatZ> so you can configure openttd with --prefix-dir=/usr 12:30:43 <krinn> also in .openttd ? 12:30:50 <SmatZ> or copy the data files in ~/.openttd 12:30:54 <SmatZ> yeah 12:30:55 <krinn> -> ~/.openttd i mean 12:30:59 <krinn> ok 12:31:14 <SmatZ> it searches your home dir, if it's not there, it searches the share dir 12:31:20 <SmatZ> see section 4.2 of readme.txt 12:33:45 *** murr5y [~murray@101.84-48-68.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 12:34:39 *** canis85 [~bbabcock@69.164.216.34] has joined #openttd 12:37:40 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:40:01 *** murr4y [~murray@101.84-48-68.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:24 <dihedral> uh - hello SmatZ 12:46:19 <SmatZ> hello dihedral 12:47:35 <dihedral> :-) 12:47:38 <dihedral> how are you sir? 12:48:53 <SmatZ> quite fine :) how are you? 12:49:02 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:49:15 <dihedral> doing well, very busy, but doing well :-) 12:49:18 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:49:33 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:50:19 <Nite> Hi 12:50:27 <SmatZ> :) 12:50:29 <SmatZ> hello Nite 12:50:51 <Nite> lets get straight to moaning about automatic orders ? ;-) 12:51:06 <planetmaker> they are of no consequence and don't impact path finding 12:51:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 12:51:25 <planetmaker> they're purely visual information for you to see what stations were visited 12:51:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:51:35 <Nite> ... i rebuilt the track, in the process the trains circle at a station the list fills up with auto orders ... mehhh .... 12:51:41 <planetmaker> :-) 12:52:36 <Nite> they are purely visual confusion, and i heard that someone might have hit the max 255 orders with it ... 12:53:03 <planetmaker> I also heart the moon was made of a giant slab of Gouda ;-) 12:53:15 <planetmaker> (yes, I read that fill-up somewhere, too) 12:53:17 <SmatZ> :) 12:53:41 <Nite> its strange that an auto order is added every time a train visits tgeh same station over and over again 12:54:03 <Nite> (and i thought it was emmental ?) 12:54:49 <Nite> oh if it only where "if you dont like auto orders dont use them" but it isnt 12:54:54 <Nite> nuff moaning now 12:56:06 <V453000> pm: not fill-up, I think Nite meant that the orders make such mess that they just fill the 255 auto orders themselves 12:56:08 <planetmaker> it's just visual... it's so that people actually see where a train stopped 12:56:27 <V453000> it is useless and annoying :) 12:56:35 <planetmaker> V453000, yes, I know, that's what I mean 12:56:47 <planetmaker> hm, are they? 12:57:12 <V453000> they make it messy, for nothing to gain 12:57:55 <planetmaker> I think you gain a lot, if you use "goto" instead of "goto non-stop" orders. 12:58:04 <planetmaker> It doesn't help with typcial coop setups a bit, that I agree 12:59:26 <V453000> I do not see what you gain :) 13:00:24 <Nite> true you can get around it with nonstop orders somehow ... 13:01:14 <V453000> you need the "goto" sometimes 13:01:24 <Nite> true 13:01:30 <Nite> also 13:01:57 <Nite> and its not just visual because of the limit ... 13:03:20 <Nite> (btw if huge hairy long legged spiders crawl around your ceiling it is also just visual, but still distracting) 13:03:20 <SmatZ> ? 13:03:35 <SmatZ> if you want to add manual order, you can just delete the automatic orders 13:03:47 <SmatZ> or maybe, it could be deleted automatically 13:03:59 <SmatZ> and maybe there should be a switch to turn off showing of automatic orders 13:04:16 <Nite> yes there should be. 13:04:43 <V453000> SmatZ: when there are over 200 automatic orders and constantly adding some new, it often just is not possible to add orders, unless you stop the trains so they stop adding new 13:05:27 <SmatZ> V453000: that sounds like a theoretical situation 13:05:46 <V453000> it actually isnt 13:05:49 <Nite> though i have to say i try to use as few orders as posible and often solfe situations with signalling and only 2 3 or 4 orders 13:05:50 <SmatZ> k :P 13:05:58 <V453000> have a group of shared orders, and it is very simple to reach 13:06:28 <V453000> either way, it still is a complication with no advantage 13:06:35 <SmatZ> V453000: I still think you are able to delete orders much faster than they are added 13:06:43 <Nite> even some unloading loops that are overload save can be done without gettin autoorders 13:07:15 <Nite> but still when i get them i get afraid :~) 13:07:45 <V453000> SmatZ: we tried something like that, we had a srnw where all the autoorders were adding _super_ quickly, since 200 trains shared the orders ... editing them required to stop all the shared trains 13:08:01 <V453000> although I am not sure how it works with shared orders, it totally did not help 13:08:10 <SmatZ> V453000: ok, it's possible 13:08:23 <Nite> whos brainchild where autoorders anyway ? 13:09:49 <SmatZ> it's part of fonsinchen's cargod*st, I think 13:09:59 <SmatZ> and people want cargod*st 13:10:02 <V453000> it would be awesome if they were disablable :( 13:10:10 <SmatZ> blablablae :) 13:10:29 <V453000> cargod*st is also ... stupid to be subtle :) 13:10:48 <SmatZ> well, many players seem to request that in some form :) 13:11:51 <Nite> i want to cargodest too - but too switchoffable (disableable :-) ) 13:13:04 <V453000> "most" of people usually means "dumb" 13:13:07 <Nite> all cargodösts where dull untill now 13:13:48 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> I also heart the moon was made of a giant slab of Gouda ;-) <-- everybody knows the moon is made of meat. 13:14:14 <SmatZ> :D 13:14:37 <Nite> is it that hard to simply add some existing desired destination to cargo - and when you drop it somwhere else it is not accepted? 13:14:51 <Nite> there still could be both cargo with destination and without 13:15:00 <planetmaker> Nite, cargodIst has a different goal than cargodEst 13:15:31 <planetmaker> dEst might possibly more what you think of when hearing cargod*st (so do I actually) 13:15:33 <Nite> i know i just never remember which is which 13:15:35 <V453000> I just do not see why people need to be told where to transport stuff like stupid sheep...instead of making up a path on their own, 13:15:49 <Nite> still the goal is somewhat similar 13:15:54 <V453000> well I do see why but that isnt subtle or friendly towards people 13:16:05 <planetmaker> Nite, well... not quite ;-) 13:16:06 <Nite> "you cannot yust bring cargo or pax just anywhere" 13:16:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:11 <planetmaker> distribution != destinations 13:16:23 <planetmaker> with distribution it can get re-routed on the fly 13:16:34 <planetmaker> with destinations it has a fixed destination whether a route exists or not 13:16:59 <Nite> hmmmm 13:17:37 <Eddi|zuHause> man what's with all the hostility people... 13:17:40 <Nite> i agree that its fun to have your own path with cargo 13:17:42 <V453000> the aim is realism I assume 13:17:50 <Nite> but it is simply strange with pax 13:18:21 <planetmaker> it's cozy in here, Eddi|zuHause :-) Or do you see hostile people? 13:18:43 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: the aim is making two-way transfers work. 13:18:56 <V453000> :D 13:19:10 <Eddi|zuHause> like a hub airport, or a main station. 13:19:35 <SmatZ> that's always been problem in coop pax games 13:19:36 <Nite> good pooint "twowaytransfers" 13:20:01 <Nite> or hub statoins at all sometimes 13:20:04 <V453000> pointless imo 13:20:20 <planetmaker> nah, I don't think it's pointless. It can actually be quite fun 13:20:35 <planetmaker> Use a few transfer stations. And bring stuff from there to where it shall go 13:20:51 <planetmaker> or to the next regional transfer station. I think it can be quite awesome 13:20:52 <Nite> or have taht central pax hub 13:21:10 <Nite> to another town 13:21:15 <planetmaker> I'd do a regional p2p and a star-shaped network somewhat in a single region ;-) 13:21:54 <Nite> but 13:22:17 <Nite> there i s teh issue that all pax woudl get on any vehicel assuming it may bring them where they want 13:22:28 <Nite> so pax got to be abel to look ahead 13:22:46 <Nite> thats the challenge i gess (cargodist or dest?) 13:22:52 <Nite> + u 13:23:16 <Belugas> hello 13:24:08 <Nite> anyway its fun without cargodiest too .. very much so 13:24:19 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:27 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-020-212.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:11 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 13:25:48 <Nite> afk 13:35:52 *** X-2 [~X-2@5ED662EB.cm-7-7b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:49:14 *** DayDreamer1 [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 13:49:25 *** DayDreamer1 [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has quit [] 13:50:23 *** Nite [5472b1fc@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:52:14 *** DayDreamer [~pouzara@80.95.101.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:18 * krinn love the breakpoint on word on openttd 1.1 14:01:37 <Ammler> does someone understand that ^ ? 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;-) 17:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i hacked it to skip the industry part ;) 17:19:14 <Eddi|zuHause> also, to provide food acceptance for some houses 17:20:10 <canis85> does anyone else use the ECS grf's much? 17:21:14 <SmatZ> George 17:21:20 <canis85> I've been playing with them for a while and I enjoy them quite a bit 17:21:51 <planetmaker> I'm sure there are a lot of people who use it a lot 17:22:22 <planetmaker> newgrf authors usually enjoy it, if happy players post nice screenies from their games which feature their newgrf ;-) 17:22:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure less than 5% of all users actually use any newgrfs at all ;) 17:22:53 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B73C2.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:22:54 <canis85> hmm I'll have to do that when I get home then :) 17:23:06 <canis85> I found the basic industry setup to be too simple 17:23:18 <canis85> ECS is a fantastic answer 17:23:39 <V453000> try FIRS, it is much better and unlike ECS it makes sense 17:24:00 <canis85> lol I'll have to do that 17:24:33 <canis85> the one complaint I do have is that I have to enable the bit for enhanced industry closure protection 17:24:51 <canis85> otherwise my industries keep closing on me... 17:26:08 <planetmaker> well. That's what it's for ;-) 17:26:26 <V453000> lol :) 17:35:53 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: at the same time, i hacked FIRS to allow being loaded simultaneously with alpine ;) 17:36:18 <Belugas> that is what one would call "challenge", canis85 ;) 17:36:32 <planetmaker> hehe @ Eddi|zuHause :-) 17:36:59 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, I wonder... doesn't the debug parameter allow that? 17:37:04 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: couldn't change GRF-ID of alpine, because dbset wouldn't load then 17:37:05 <planetmaker> If not... it might be a feature request 17:37:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think the debug parameter existed back then... not sure what it does either... 17:38:08 <canis85> well yeah, and it usually worked for me 17:38:26 <canis85> I guess the basic logic being that as long as it's producing above 'very low', it will stay open 17:38:33 <Eddi|zuHause> bah... i need a next-station-lookahead in the pathfinder the same way as it's done for path signal reservation 17:38:34 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, I think it exists for ages. But... well :-) 17:39:02 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but andy didn't say anything back when discussing this. 17:39:18 <planetmaker> well, I don't know :-) 17:39:18 <Eddi|zuHause> it was definitely pre-action-14 17:39:34 <planetmaker> stone-age :-P 17:39:51 <planetmaker> ok, iron age 17:40:04 <planetmaker> stone age was when they weren't saved within savegames 17:40:52 <planetmaker> but for now: enjoy your evening(s). :-) 17:41:03 <planetmaker> sport ist mord. But a joyful one. 17:41:07 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-125-245.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:42:56 <canis85> is FIRS as aggressive as ECS with industry closing? 17:44:04 <canis85> I had a regularly used cement plant in ECS that I kept having to refund 17:44:46 <canis85> several deliveries a month, but it almost never got above 3% 17:44:59 <canis85> very efficient workers I guess :P 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22296 /trunk/src/lang/afrikaans.txt: 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 8 changes by Kayos 17:57:53 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-16-145.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:02:59 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-125-245.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:07 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: join my irc at irc.sla-company.co.cc] 18:06:16 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 18:26:23 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-197-12.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:27:19 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p579D609B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:40 <confound> canis85: no, by default nothing closes. if you turn it on, though, they slowly shrink and eventually close 18:32:01 <canis85> ah okay thanks 18:32:25 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-160-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:08 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 18:35:29 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe35dc00-187.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 18:37:01 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p579D609B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:37:47 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has joined #openttd 18:46:14 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1a561.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:46:20 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 18:55:26 *** Ruudjah [~opera@86.93.109.194] has joined #openttd 19:01:09 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-16-145.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:12 *** Fugas [~Fugas@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has joined #openttd 19:01:29 <Fugas> guys, that 1.1.0 sucks! 19:01:40 *** Fugas [~Fugas@isbprachen.clnet.cz] has left #openttd [] 19:02:26 <Wolf01> loal 19:04:24 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:04:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 19:05:58 <TrueBrain> hahahaha :) 19:06:06 <TrueBrain> was he for real? Owh, briliant :) 19:06:56 <Wolf01> another unsatisfied *I want to remove grfs from scenedit* customer 19:07:17 <TrueBrain> sure he doesn't want copy/paste? 19:07:20 <Yexo> or another: I want very long trains and can't read to I think that feature was removed 19:08:12 <TrueBrain> do those still exist? 19:08:57 <Yexo> the setting mammoth_trains was removed in 1.1 and replace by a new setting max_train_length (or something like that) 19:09:20 <Yexo> oh, and the length counter in the depot now shows the length in tiles instead of half-tiles 19:11:28 <Alberth> I still like the removal of the 'build while paused' cheat :) 19:12:26 <frosch123> yeah, 1.0.5 will be a long-term used version, just like 0.6.3 :) 19:12:27 <canis85> build while paused is part of the regular options now isn't it? 19:12:37 <canis85> in 1.1 19:12:42 <frosch123> canis85: yes 19:12:44 *** lugo [lugo@89.238.177.145] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:56 <frosch123> but at least 3 people complained already about it being removed 19:13:09 <canis85> lol 19:20:11 <Eddi|zuHause> feature request: apply the "diagonal level" tool [with ctrl] feature to "convert" as well 19:20:49 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:21:27 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-16-145.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:26:07 <Alberth> codechange request: clean up the mess in that code 19:27:56 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.12.7.215] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 19:28:18 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.12.7.215] has joined #openttd 19:31:26 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-238.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:32:28 <Wolf01> feature request: I want convert signals with drag&drop :P 19:32:54 <frosch123> i think there are 2 fs tasks about that, maybe we closed one 19:33:05 *** lugo [lugo@89.238.177.145] has joined #openttd 19:35:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-166-213.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:35:15 *** ar3k [~ident@ecy197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 19:36:26 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:41:48 *** Chrill [~Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:18 *** Chrill [~Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has left #openttd [] 19:48:40 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... bug or feature? building a station only checks town authority acceptance on the northern corner 19:49:56 <frosch123> so the town the station will belong to 19:50:12 <frosch123> or does that also happen when extending a station? 19:52:07 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: join my irc at irc.sla-company.co.cc] 19:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause> northern corner of the selection 19:52:50 <frosch123> well, the size of the station does not matter 19:53:06 <frosch123> only the type of the station, and which town it will belong to 19:55:19 <Eddi|zuHause> well, if you have one part inside town authority, and one part out of town authority, you can build the station if the northern tile is in the outer part. i.e. if you build a station north of the town, you can build closer to the center 20:16:01 *** TinoDid|znc [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has joined #openttd 20:16:43 <supermop> if i want a house to randomly use one of many sprites 20:16:52 <supermop> how many can i choose from? 20:18:35 <Yexo> houses have 8 random bits, so 256 20:18:49 *** TinoDidriksen [~TinoDidri@alpha.visl.sdu.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:49 *** TinoDid|znc is now known as TinoDidriksen 20:19:13 <Yexo> if you abuse the animation state you could probably use 256*253 or something like that 20:19:20 <Yexo> in any case: more than you can draw 20:20:08 <Sacro> that sounds like a challenge 20:20:25 <supermop> well its a modular thing 20:20:53 <supermop> made out of between 1 and 6 units 20:21:04 <supermop> each of which has 8 sub units 20:21:16 <supermop> each of those has 9 possible states 20:22:05 <supermop> so i could make about 453 using layers in photoshop 20:23:05 <supermop> now ideally, 20:24:39 <supermop> i only actually need 42 sprites to make all of that 20:25:55 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... besides the slightly higher top speed, and the fancy long distance car livery, the BR 18 is totally inferiour to the BR 38... 20:26:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and in a mixed passenger/freight line, top speed is almost irrelevant 20:26:26 <supermop> if i could give nml those sprites, then tell it to assemble them according to my rules 20:27:27 <supermop> that would be pretty neat 20:27:29 <frosch123> supermop: just kick me every day to finish the extended sprite layout :s 20:27:48 <Yexo> is the spec on that finished? 20:27:51 <supermop> whooa is that planned? and what is it? 20:28:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:29:02 <frosch123> Yexo: at least in my head, except for stations 20:29:33 <frosch123> for stations i am not sure in what order to put the bits for ultimate extensibility 20:29:41 <frosch123> maybe i should update the wiki 20:29:51 <frosch123> oh, and btw. my old patch was totally broken :p 20:30:30 <Yexo> why isn't the same order as for the action2's sufficient? 20:30:38 <frosch123> supermop: usage of registers in spritelayouts, so you do not have to generate 453 spritelayouts, but can assemble them using expressions 20:30:49 <Yexo> oh, and I guess there need to be a different way to signal the 'new' format, since <num-sprites> is not used for stations 20:31:03 <frosch123> Yexo: stations have this flag "use different action2 chain for the groundsprite" 20:31:22 <frosch123> ideally that flag would be moved into the extended bits 20:31:36 <Yexo> but that flag is per station, not per spritelayout 20:31:37 <frosch123> so every sprite (and recolour sprite) can come from the alternative chain 20:31:53 <Yexo> one could want to use some 'old-format' spritelayouts combined with some 'new' ones 20:32:08 <Yexo> which (with the spec as I've last read it) is perfectly possible for other features 20:32:11 <frosch123> but then the next question is: why one layout? maybe use 4 bits for 16 chains? :s 20:32:48 <frosch123> [22:30] <Yexo> oh, and I guess there need to be a different way to signal the 'new' format, since <num-sprites> is not used for stations <- i just use a new property; only one may be used at a time though 20:32:55 <Yexo> ah, ok 20:33:10 <Yexo> wouldn't it be easier to remove the alternative chain bit altogether? 20:33:25 <Yexo> is there a good reason to keep that if you can set the sprite via a register? 20:33:35 <Yexo> s/remove/deprecate for new format/ 20:33:46 <frosch123> yes, remove from action 0, put it into the spritelayout for every single sprite and recolour sprite 20:34:04 <Yexo> why do that? what's the point of it? 20:34:14 <Yexo> the bit is there to resolve which spritelayout to use 20:34:24 <Yexo> as soon as you've resolved a spritelayout it's too late to actually use that bit 20:34:54 <frosch123> huh? 20:35:16 <frosch123> first you resolve the spritelayout, than you can choose sprites from two different spritesets 20:35:17 <Yexo> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Stations#General_Flags_13_ <- were are talking about prop 13 bit 0, right? 20:35:29 <frosch123> yes 20:35:51 <frosch123> but it has no effect on the selected layout 20:35:57 <Yexo> ah, right, sorry, I was confused a bit 20:36:00 <frosch123> but on the action1 set being used 20:36:50 <Yexo> use that bit, when set add another byte to the format which will be the value of var 10 during the action1 selecting chain 20:38:53 *** ar3k [~ident@ecy197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 20:38:54 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 20:39:18 <frosch123> hmm, so resolve the spritelayout, then build a set of all var10 values present and then resolve the spritesets for them 20:39:29 <frosch123> sounds powerful 20:39:48 <Yexo> perhaps a bit over-the-top though 20:40:10 <Yexo> as it requires a varaction2 lookup for every different var10 value, as opposed to the max 2 lookups we do now 20:40:57 <frosch123> yeah, grfauthors could abuse it and use a different chain for every single sprite 20:41:19 <Yexo> on the other hand that can be very useful, I can already think of a use-case in chips 20:41:42 <frosch123> maybe 2 are enough, one chain for sprites with "loading stages", one chain for stuff without 20:41:48 <Yexo> currently the extra groundsprites are coded using grm/action6 20:42:17 <Yexo> using action1 for them would be useful, but they can't be added to the action1's for buildings, as that would mean duplicating the sprites a lot 20:42:23 <Belugas> #Digging in the dirt 20:43:48 *** murr5y is now known as murr4y 20:44:05 <frosch123> Yexo: but would that need more than 2 chains? 20:44:47 <Yexo> 1 for groundsprite, 1 for a building/crane/something else on one side of the track, 1 for cargo display on other side of the track 20:44:50 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1a561.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 20:45:13 <Yexo> we don't currently have that since it's way too much work to code, but with the extended format it'd become easy 20:45:42 <frosch123> but wouldn't groundsprite and building/crane/something be the same? 20:45:58 <Yexo> no, groundsprite is sand/gravel/dirt/asfalt/whatever 20:46:00 <frosch123> i.e. stuff without loading stages 20:46:05 <Yexo> building/crane/bullzoder is separate from that 20:46:29 <frosch123> why can't you put them in one spriteset? 20:46:49 <Yexo> I want all possible combinations between them, so sand/building, sand/crane, sand/bulldozer, gravel/building, gravel/building etc. 20:46:56 <Yexo> same for cargo 20:47:14 <Yexo> so in reality it's sand/building/coal, sand/building/oil, sand/building/grain, etc. 20:47:30 <frosch123> so you use sprites 0 - 3 for the ground, sprites 4 - 19 for the building 20:48:01 <Yexo> sure, but that requires duplicating the real sprites in the grf 20:48:35 <frosch123> well, but ok, 3 chains might make it easier 20:48:50 <Yexo> that's not a requirement, I was just making up a good use-case 20:48:52 <frosch123> so, let's add a bit for "take var 10" from another byte; but limit that one for 0-3 for now 20:49:13 <Yexo> if you want to limit it to 0-1 for now that's fine 20:49:21 <frosch123> however, it would still be a fixed value in the layout, not a register 20:49:31 <Yexo> sure 20:52:30 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 20:54:19 <Terkhen> good night 20:55:36 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecy197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 20:56:57 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:57:33 <supermop> sorry i had to go afk for a bit to do real work 21:00:41 *** canis85 [~bbabcock@69.164.216.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:06:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C767.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:33 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 21:06:33 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C767.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:08:50 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:20:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BB43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:38 <xQR> some of the random generated names people get are so silly that it really makes sure people find out how to set a name themselves :D 21:23:43 <xQR> OTTD-3 * <x> Player (#317/4 (New)/US) has changed his/her name to Puruputupa 21:23:43 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-020-212.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 21:24:01 <xQR> he changed his name some seconds later :P 21:25:50 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:29 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:29:51 <frosch123> interesting feature 21:29:52 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-195-135.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:30:18 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-175-129.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:31:08 <xQR> i had simply forced them to spectators with name "Player" before but i think it's better with just giving them a random-generated name 21:31:31 <xQR> their IP is stored for 48 hours and the name is reapplied if someone with the same IP returns within that time 21:31:47 <xQR> so it also helps a bit to identify the nameless when they come and go 21:32:59 <frosch123> yexo https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/Frosch/Extended_Sprite_Layout <- updated the stuff 21:37:10 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-16-145.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:13 <Yexo> frosch123: can you use prop 0A to copy a prop 20 layout? 21:37:41 <frosch123> i would think so 21:39:14 <Yexo> maybe clarify that the default prop 10 value is 0? 21:39:52 <Yexo> and I don't think ttdpatch is going to like that part of the spec 21:40:14 <planetmaker> firs is not compatible anyway :-P 21:40:27 <Yexo> it's about stations :p 21:40:52 <planetmaker> :-D 21:41:37 <Yexo> <Yexo> maybe clarify that the default prop 10 value is 0? <- nevermind that, it's clear enough below 21:41:47 <frosch123> just edited :p 21:41:51 <Yexo> "(if not explicitly set, then station property 13 bit 0 takes effect)" <- I hadn't read that yet 21:42:14 <frosch123> oh, i expanded at that place :p 21:42:25 <Yexo> well, it's better this way 21:44:20 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has joined #openttd 21:45:11 <Yexo> the spec looks very nice, I have no more comments there 21:47:11 <andythenorth> hello 21:47:32 <Yexo> hey andythenorth 21:47:43 <andythenorth> Yexo: I managed some station coding ;) 21:47:50 <andythenorth> chips contains a (not finished) parcels office 21:48:27 <Yexo> I noticed, you missed to hg add a file 21:48:38 <Yexo> at least I think, the cf failed to compile chips today 21:48:44 <andythenorth> bah 21:48:49 <andythenorth> that always happens 21:49:22 <andythenorth> cf should just build on commit 21:49:26 <andythenorth> and whine straight away 21:49:33 <andythenorth> or I should use a commit hook :P 21:49:34 <planetmaker> that's possible 21:49:40 <andythenorth> thought so 21:49:43 <planetmaker> and that, too 21:50:02 <andythenorth> it's user error 21:50:16 <andythenorth> but asking me to be a better person hasn't solved it so far 21:50:35 <planetmaker> have you been asked to? :-P 21:50:45 <andythenorth> many times 21:50:48 <andythenorth> sometimes it works 21:50:51 <andythenorth> hmm 21:50:58 <andythenorth> CHIPS seems to get built on commit 21:51:04 <andythenorth> brot just told me about it 21:51:16 <andythenorth> anyway...extended action 2 21:51:24 <Yexo> andythenorth: only when the last compile failed 21:51:25 <planetmaker> grfs where the nightly failed get built upon commit until they build (again) 21:51:32 <andythenorth> ah 21:52:19 *** ar3k [~ident@ecy197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 21:52:22 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 21:53:49 <andythenorth> Yexo: bullzoder is a nice typo :) 21:53:56 <andythenorth> I may name something after it 21:54:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:55:18 <Yexo> andythenorth: how do you want the parcels office to work? 21:55:28 <frosch123> night 21:55:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe124.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:39 <andythenorth> Yexo: as it does now 21:55:43 <andythenorth> unless I miss something :) 21:55:48 <andythenorth> I ignored GRM etc 21:56:07 <andythenorth> it's just a simple dumb 1 tile building until future notice :) 21:56:36 <Yexo> currently is generates some warnings 21:56:47 <supermop> hey, what is the pixel height limit for a building? 21:57:09 <andythenorth> Yexo: oh :( 21:57:26 <andythenorth> so it does 21:57:29 <andythenorth> I missed those last night 21:57:38 <Yexo> it doesn't work at all here 21:57:47 <Yexo> + all the non-track platforms seem to be broken 21:57:50 <andythenorth> I wonder why 21:58:22 <Yexo> hmm, that was probably from my testing 21:58:27 <andythenorth> how interesting 21:58:42 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:58:50 <andythenorth> no breakage or warnings for me 21:58:59 <andythenorth> everything is committed :) 21:59:10 <Yexo> indeed, neither for me now 21:59:16 <Yexo> I should've cleaned up before compiling 21:59:25 <Yexo> so no different groundsprites needed for the parcels office? 22:00:03 <andythenorth> at the moment no 22:00:14 <andythenorth> just uses a common base tile for town buildings 22:00:15 <Yexo> cool, that makes it easy :) 22:00:45 <andythenorth> the only issue for me is that it doesn't (yet) look good 22:01:03 <planetmaker> supermop: something like 240px or so, then it starts to glitch 22:01:09 <Yexo> well, that's a graphical issue, nothing I can help with 22:01:13 <andythenorth> he 22:01:16 <andythenorth> indeed 22:01:17 <planetmaker> TTRS has some high buildings which already glitch 22:01:37 <Yexo> 240px? I thought it was something like 130px or so 22:01:53 <planetmaker> the blue towers with the |V| - shaped roof 22:03:06 <planetmaker> I think it was higher... but maybe 240 is already too high. I chose 160 for the comic houses and that afaik didn't yet glitch 22:03:42 <andythenorth> Yexo: not sure if the bounding box is correct for parcels office, but haven't seen any probelms 22:03:50 <Yexo> it is correct 22:03:58 <supermop> hmm 22:04:13 <andythenorth> thanks 22:04:19 <andythenorth> and good night ;) 22:04:39 <supermop> well sticking below 240 would let me cull some of the taller possible configurations 22:04:51 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has left #openttd [] 22:04:58 <supermop> 160 would be a bit short for what I want though 22:05:48 <planetmaker> maybe 240 was the TTRS building size which glitched ;-) 22:06:41 <supermop> 240 would be ten shaft modules for this building 22:07:05 <supermop> i was planning on 6 or 7 as the maximum I would use anyway 22:07:24 <supermop> so I should be safe 22:09:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6C767.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:09:18 <planetmaker> well, you'll need to check it out. 160 was safe. Above that: dunno 22:10:24 <supermop> ok 22:10:54 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:11:06 <Chris_Booth> 240px how tall is that? 22:11:26 <Chris_Booth> that like 1/4 of my screen in height 22:11:29 *** Lokimaros [~mazur@5ED27E57.cm-7-3b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:11:35 <Chris_Booth> thats a big building 22:12:12 <planetmaker> @calc 800/240 22:12:12 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 3.33333333333 22:12:31 <planetmaker> a third of mine ;-) 22:12:48 <glx> @calc 1050/240 22:12:48 <DorpsGek> glx: 4.375 22:13:32 <planetmaker> but for 13" it's good enough ;-) 22:13:37 <supermop> pretty tall 22:14:29 <glx> @calc 240/1050 22:14:29 <DorpsGek> glx: 0.228571428571 22:14:41 <glx> was the wrong way ;) 22:16:36 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has joined #openttd 22:16:53 * andythenorth awoke from sleep with a dream of a bananas changelog field 22:17:01 * andythenorth will now go back to sleep :P 22:23:19 *** andythenorth [~andy@46.208.69.103] has left #openttd [] 22:23:26 <Wolf01> 'night 22:23:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host32-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:23:47 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:15 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-175-129.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:57 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-175-129.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:43:22 *** JOHN-SHEPARD__ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-61-242.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:47:38 *** glevans2 [~glevans2@75-141-139-233.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Don't Panic!] 22:48:55 *** welshdragon [~dragon@anubis.millsie.net] has joined #openttd 22:49:59 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:50:09 *** JOHN-SHEPARD_ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-175-129.w86-209.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:44 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-238.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:25 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:56:02 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-238.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 22:57:55 <__ln__> ummm.. what is an idiomatic way to say "to my luck, and to unluck of someone else ..." in english? 'unluck' is not a real word. 22:58:11 <supermop> misfortune 22:59:41 <Prof_Frink> __ln__: It's not very English to wish misfortune on others. 22:59:47 <Prof_Frink> Unless they're german. 23:00:36 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-238.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [] 23:03:57 <__ln__> Prof_Frink: i'm stating a fact, not particularly wishing anything. 23:12:33 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-66-5.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 23:16:59 *** JOHN-SHEPARD__ [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-61-242.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:18 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 23:20:59 *** JOHNSHEPARD [~JOHN-SHEP@ALyon-158-1-66-5.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:09 *** Chaot_s [~Chaot_s@d54C0C5DB.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 23:23:41 <Chaot_s> hi all, since ottd 1.1.0 in a servergame the max train length is 7 tiles, i can't find where to change that. I think i'm missing the wikipage. 23:24:04 <Chaot_s> since the server is non gui i can't simply change the settings 23:24:22 <xQR> max_train_length = 7 23:24:29 <xQR> search that in openttd.cfg and replace it by the length you want 23:25:10 <Chaot_s> hmm i actualy used my old config file :) 23:25:24 <Chaot_s> thanx i'll look in to it :D 23:25:28 <xQR> yes but once you run the new version it should have added this option to the config 23:25:35 <xQR> run it once and exit it 23:25:42 <xQR> on exit it should write the config including this new setting 23:25:53 <xQR> or well, just add it to the old config with the number you want :P 23:26:07 <xQR> 64 is max 23:27:24 <Chaot_s> i can't change the option in a running game i presume ? 23:27:43 <glx> just try :) 23:28:46 <xQR> it's working here, at least the console isn't complaining 23:28:52 <Chaot_s> on the server console (shh / screen) "set max_train_length = 28" should do the in game trick? 23:28:58 <Chaot_s> or... am i wrong? 23:29:02 <xQR> setting max_train_length 10 23:29:02 <xQR> setting max_train_length 23:29:04 <xQR> Current value for 'max_train_length' is: '10' (min: 1, max: 64) 23:29:05 <glx> should work 23:29:24 <xQR> no, just enter "setting max_train_length 10" 23:29:30 <xQR> or 20 or whatever 23:29:55 <Chaot_s> its working :D 23:30:00 <xQR> :) 23:30:10 <Chaot_s> indeed i should leave out the = sign :D 23:30:37 <Chaot_s> is there a reason other than game slowdowns? 23:30:53 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i found a firs translation bug (besides the "x crates of * supplies" i mentioned earlier): in the "Schmiede" it says "WerkzÀuge", should be "Werkzeuge" 23:31:02 <xQR> reason for what? 23:31:14 <xQR> the new setting just allows a more precise setting 23:31:21 <xQR> i think before you could only set mammoth_trains on or off 23:31:50 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: also i think the words there could use an "n" at the end... 23:31:56 <Chaot_s> a reason that the game default setting went to 7 tile TL. ah i should realy stop asking and read te changelog :D 23:32:31 <glx> I think it was 7 tiles without mammoth_trains 23:32:32 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: "zu [...] ZÀunen [...]" etc. 23:33:20 <xQR> or a dev has just rolled a dice 23:33:27 <xQR> why would it matter anyway? 23:33:33 <xQR> you have to pick something 23:33:55 <xQR> and you only have a chance of 1/64 to hit the taste of someone and 63 chances to do it wrong in someones opinion :P 23:33:57 <Chaot_s> out of curiosity. since most default setting are set to a sane limmit. 23:34:24 <Chaot_s> and once chage away from defaults, it might hinder gamplay :) 23:34:25 <glx> 7 tiles is 14 wagons 23:34:33 <glx> looks like original TTD 23:34:33 <xQR> and now who defines what's sane and what isn't? 23:34:48 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5B72.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 23:34:51 <xQR> i think 14 cars (with default grf) is a pretty long train 23:35:21 <Chaot_s> jups :) 23:35:40 <Chaot_s> 1.0.5 i used to play with large central hubs 23:36:16 <xQR> you can do large central hubs with short trains just as well - in this case "large" would refer to a big amount of tracks 23:36:19 <xQR> :P 23:36:20 <Chaot_s> those would have several 72 (36) length trains transporting like a sort of backbone 23:36:43 <Chaot_s> and since the update i could not do that anymore 23:36:55 <Chaot_s> overloading a network with 300+ trains :D 23:37:14 <xQR> if it's overloaded with 300 trains you need a better design for your system =) 23:37:29 <Chaot_s> its a small map :D 23:37:40 <Chaot_s> and... a poor design :) 23:37:48 <xQR> see? :) 23:38:02 <Chaot_s> although i tried sticking more and more to the main wikitips 23:38:15 <Chaot_s> of travel distance and empty trains 23:38:56 <Chaot_s> its expirimental 23:39:22 <Chaot_s> the hub system with feeding bay's works like a charme :D 23:39:33 <Chaot_s> though i wanted a large ring network now 23:39:50 <Chaot_s> so i would lose lots of merging... it went to a drame :D 23:39:55 <Chaot_s> *drama 23:40:33 <xQR> lol 23:40:53 <Chaot_s> i'm mostly playing sandbox on a server :D 23:40:56 <xQR> well openttd has lots of drama kings on multiplayer servers 23:41:00 <xQR> :P 23:41:02 <Chaot_s> 400+ mil encome :D 23:41:43 <Chaot_s> 234 trains and 440 / 470 mil a game year 23:41:53 <xQR> yeah negotiation with the admin interface is finally finished - not it's sending me allllll his updates 23:41:56 <xQR> gimme updateeeeezzzzzz 23:42:00 <xQR> *now 23:42:18 <xQR> that means: time to go sleep 23:42:20 <xQR> gn8 ;) 23:42:36 <Chaot_s> sleep well and thanx for the help and info! 23:42:42 <xQR> yw 23:46:12 *** KenjiE20 [~KenjiE20@92.12.7.215] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 23:47:18 <Chris_Booth> so who needs to see a 1000+ train network? 23:47:23 <Chris_Booth> to see what mad looks like? 23:47:33 <Chris_Booth> and then a 2500+ train network to see insanity 23:53:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i bet my 40 train network looks way cooler than yours... 23:59:40 <Lokimaros> !passworm 23:59:43 <Lokimaros> !password 23:59:43 *** Lokimaros was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. 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