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00:16:03 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:17:29 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:52 *** bryjen_ [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 00:42:59 *** bryjen is now known as Guest1770 00:42:59 *** bryjen_ is now known as bryjen 00:47:01 *** Guest1770 [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:05 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0e4b3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 00:49:06 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:18:03 <Wolf01> 'night 01:18:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host223-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 01:58:41 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@host-92-8-65-148.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.4] 02:09:26 *** Markavian [~Markavian@75.174.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:25:06 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-109-240-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:25:34 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:31:04 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-140-239.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:44:31 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3ce1:dede:83c3:fa6] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76735.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B762DF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:53:56 *** Ruudjah [~opera@86.93.109.194] has left #openttd [] 06:16:11 *** Markavian [~Markavian@75.174.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:34:47 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-126-169.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:43:10 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 06:43:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 06:50:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CF6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:50:13 <andythenorth> morningz 06:56:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 06:57:12 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.15.171] has joined #openttd 06:57:33 <pikka> I'm 12 and what is this 07:15:50 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw3-ffa8c300-33.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 07:18:52 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 07:27:41 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:40:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 07:44:29 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 07:44:59 <andythenorth> @seen DanMacK 07:44:59 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: DanMacK was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 14 hours, 18 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all 07:49:59 *** Chrill [~Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 07:55:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009415.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:59 *** TWerkhoven [~turbulent@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:58:53 <andythenorth> if vehicles-in-vehicles got done, I should draw a landing craft 08:00:14 <andythenorth> http://images.canadianlisted.com/nlarge/2008-20-aluminum-landing-craft-workboat_5775845.jpg 08:09:29 *** Chrill [~Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 08:11:22 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:23:40 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 08:29:46 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:31:57 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:34:28 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-008-103.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:35:01 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5D34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:46:54 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:46:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:55:33 <Terkhen> good morning 08:56:13 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:04:09 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 09:05:58 *** Xrufuian [~xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-204.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Goodnight all.] 09:11:54 <andythenorth> hello Terkhen 09:19:48 <planetmaker> moin 09:27:11 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:35:49 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 09:38:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 09:38:47 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:51 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 09:39:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:19 *** SigHunter [~sighunter@pD955F12D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:48:01 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5D34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 09:49:37 *** KenjiE20 [~kenji@host-92-8-65-148.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 10:03:49 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 10:05:34 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-37-203.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:06:45 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-074-020-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:07:18 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-074-020-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [] 10:12:44 <SigHunter> when compiling openttd, it tells me it cant find lzma. i then choose the amd64 linux generic build rather than compiling it on my own, does this one have lzma then? does it statically have lzma or does it look for it too and not find it and just doesnt use it? 10:14:38 <Eddi|zuHause> the generic binary has (almost) everything statically linked 10:14:51 <SigHunter> kk thx! 10:14:56 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:15:14 <Eddi|zuHause> and to install lzma you might have to install packages like "lzma2-devel" or "xz-devel" 10:15:38 <SigHunter> do you know which one is the right one for ubuntu? 10:15:46 <Eddi|zuHause> nope 10:16:29 <peter1138> liblzma-dev ? 10:18:27 <SigHunter> thought i installed that 10:18:49 <SigHunter> anyway, cant do it myself, not root on that server 10:20:05 <Eddi|zuHause> but you can check your package manager whether something is installed even if you are not root 10:20:19 <SigHunter> hmm ^^ 10:20:30 <SigHunter> ubuntu, never used it :X 10:20:43 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:47 <Eddi|zuHause> me neither 10:20:52 <peter1138> dpkg -l | grep lzma 10:21:38 <SigHunter> can i paste? 10:21:48 <Eddi|zuHause> pastebin.com 10:22:24 <SigHunter> http://pastebin.com/3Hvi9hQF 10:23:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds right, maybe your version is too low? 10:23:34 <SigHunter> version of ttd or lzma? 10:23:46 <Eddi|zuHause> might check for 5.0 instead of 4.999-beta 10:24:31 <SigHunter> kk ill ask the serverowner later to install 5.0, maybe that works then 10:24:51 <peter1138> is pkg-config installed? 10:25:19 <peter1138> config.lib doesn't check for version 10:26:21 <SigHunter> nope its not installed 10:26:34 <SigHunter> dpkg -l | grep pkg-config doesn't list it 10:28:30 <peter1138> that's probably it then 10:29:28 <SigHunter> kk ill try that to 10:29:30 <SigHunter> thx! 10:33:47 * peter1138 ponders attacking the landscape generator again 10:34:09 <Eddi|zuHause> byte delete_ctr; ///< Delete counter. If greater than 0 then it is decremented until it reaches 0; the waypoint is then is deleted. <-- hm, i can find no code supporting this comment 10:34:37 <peter1138> also, the town generator should probably avoid placing towns on tiny islands 10:35:19 <Eddi|zuHause> add a check for town placement that a 5x5 area must be free? 10:35:45 <peter1138> if (!st->IsInUse() && ++st->delete_ctr >= 8) { 10:35:48 <peter1138> delete st; 10:35:52 <peter1138> so yeah, out of date comment 10:36:22 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, that would prevent coastal towns 10:36:50 <Rubidium> even worse... counter used for multiple things ;) 10:36:59 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: "3 tiles away from coast"? 10:37:27 <Eddi|zuHause> my observation is that if a tile is water, it moves the town center towards the nearest coast 10:37:39 <Eddi|zuHause> so you get more coastal cities anyway 10:39:35 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:43:13 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.15.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:04 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:54:33 <andythenorth_> peter1138: I like the small island towns :) 10:54:42 <andythenorth_> small ferries ftw 10:54:56 <andythenorth_> although the town growth bug tends to destroy them when they're serviced :( 10:55:44 <peter1138> how small are you talking? :p 10:55:56 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host223-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 10:56:05 <Wolf01> hello 10:56:53 <Alberth> hello 10:58:05 <andythenorth_> small island town is 15-60 inhabitants? 10:58:09 <Eddi|zuHause> a road and a church: 0 population :p 10:58:50 <peter1138> bah, i should've reduced the number of towns & industries on this map 10:59:05 <peter1138> with 70% water, it's a bit crowded 10:59:39 * SpComb wants to play OpenTTD 11:00:14 <SpComb> havn't evaluated YACD thingie yet 11:02:04 <Eddi|zuHause> now's the right time ;) 11:04:26 <peter1138> yeah, i just started a new map 11:05:08 <peter1138> hmm, there are two public YACD servers 11:05:15 <peter1138> mine isn't not the openttdcoop one, heh 11:05:21 <peter1138> er 11:05:23 <peter1138> *is not 11:06:30 <SpComb> a little worried about what will happen to cd now, though :( 11:06:39 <peter1138> yikes, they still use nasty presignal layouts instead of simple pbs 11:06:59 <peter1138> cd's been made obsolete by mp3 11:07:08 <SpComb> rule #1: do not visit random public servers 11:07:16 <SpComb> peter1138: hardly 11:07:19 <peter1138> openttdcoop isn't that random 11:07:28 <peter1138> but yeah, i should remember that they don't do things the best way 11:08:00 <SpComb> then they've probably figure out that presignals use less CPU time and let them build 23.5% bigger maps, as measured statistically 11:08:52 <peter1138> also they've only used trains 11:09:25 <peter1138> and only coal, grain and livestock is transported 11:10:03 <andythenorth_> hmm 11:10:06 <andythenorth_> YACD mp game? 11:10:14 <andythenorth_> with private editions of FISH :P 11:10:41 <peter1138> i could be persuaded 11:10:56 <andythenorth_> I have baby interruptions at 2 min intervals 11:10:58 <SpComb> played over 3G on a train? 11:11:01 <andythenorth_> lack of pause will hurt me :P 11:12:08 <andythenorth_> the town growth bug is annoying 11:12:15 <andythenorth_> can anyone replicate? 11:12:29 <andythenorth_> 1. pick a small town with high population, near coast or on island 11:12:29 <peter1138> what town growth bug? 11:13:11 <andythenorth_> 2. service with ships 11:13:17 <andythenorth_> 3. watch town population rapid fally 11:13:25 <andythenorth_> this is for games starting around 1880 11:13:30 <andythenorth_> where most of buildings are 'Flats' 11:13:40 <andythenorth_> they get rebuilt into smaller buildings or theatres 11:13:50 <peter1138> hmm 11:13:53 <andythenorth_> the effect with buses is much less pronounced 11:13:56 <peter1138> well, you took their population away ;p 11:14:14 <andythenorth_> stupid theatres :P 11:15:49 <andythenorth_> enough theatres yet? Or should there be more? http://tt-foundry.com/misc/too_many_theatres.png 11:17:26 <andythenorth_> this is the usual case: http://tt-foundry.com/misc/ship_towns_1870.png 11:17:29 <andythenorth_> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/ship_towns_1878.png 11:17:54 <andythenorth_> I am rewarded for good service by mass exodus 11:17:56 <peter1138> are they default houses? 11:18:14 <andythenorth_> yep 11:18:17 <andythenorth_> I never use house sets 11:18:27 * andythenorth_ might have to write a house set to correct this :( 11:18:46 <andythenorth_> it's probably not a bug, probably a valid side effect of town expansion :( 11:18:58 <andythenorth_> most annoyink 11:19:02 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 11:27:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-115-186.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:28:30 <Terkhen> maybe it is a difference between "houses built during random generation" and "houses built in 1880" 11:29:27 <andythenorth_> I wonder if the 'problem' is the choice of houses at map generation 11:29:33 <andythenorth_> rather than the random 11:29:46 <andythenorth_> good service increases chance of house rebuilding? 11:30:03 <andythenorth_> hmm 11:30:15 <andythenorth_> towns are a PITA anyway, with statue spam etc 11:32:58 * andythenorth_ back to beautifying boats 11:36:27 <Eddi|zuHause> why can't one move his own statue? 11:36:50 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 11:40:03 <planetmaker> you donated it to the town ;-) 11:40:16 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.15.171] has joined #openttd 11:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause> was annoying enough in TTO when you couldn't move your HQ 11:49:21 <Eddi|zuHause> that was changed, so why not the statues? 11:50:31 *** Chrill [~Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 11:52:44 <Rubidium> magic bulldozer! 11:53:24 <Eddi|zuHause> wrong answer 11:55:37 *** nicfer [~Administr@190.50.50.47] has joined #openttd 11:56:20 <nicfer> hello anybody 11:56:28 *** andythenorth_ is now known as anybody 11:56:30 <anybody> hello 11:57:05 *** anybody is now known as andythenorth 11:58:52 <Eddi|zuHause> !seen anybody 11:58:59 <Eddi|zuHause> @seen anybody 11:58:59 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: anybody was last seen in #openttd 2 minutes and 28 seconds ago: <anybody> hello 12:04:45 <Alberth> he seems to say 'hi' or 'hello' only :p 12:07:32 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:982a:d432:de21:ab7d] has joined #openttd 12:07:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:08:18 <nicfer> I'd like to see a large-scale citybuilding mode in ottd where towns can build houses inside large grids like 7x7, and houses population rescaled so for the same amount of inhabitants the city needs to be like 7 times bigger 12:08:51 <andythenorth> newgrf 12:09:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you can adjust the road grid width by modifying the code 12:09:13 <Eddi|zuHause> and the house population by newgrf 12:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause> then make most city houses 2x2 or 2x1 12:11:52 <nicfer> then generate a very flat world with no industries and make trains expensiver and high-capacity pax wagons 12:13:04 <nicfer> I shall try to create a newgrf with some new trains 12:16:39 <nicfer> notepad is alright to do some nfo coding? 12:18:34 <Alberth> technically sure, but almost any other editor is better :) 12:21:27 <Eddi|zuHause> real programmers use a butterfly 12:22:48 <Alberth> but unlike in some hollywood stories, that only influences the weather :p 12:26:43 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 12:26:53 <andythenorth> nicfer wouldn't it be better to use nml? 12:27:15 <nicfer> nml? 12:28:10 <andythenorth> where is there a intro to nml? 12:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> in the grf technical forum? 12:28:47 <planetmaker> intro is relative. But there's the NML thread in the technical forum indeed 12:29:01 <nicfer> oh I just saw it on the wiki 12:29:45 <nicfer> also, didn't ttdalter featured a 'export to newgrf' function? 12:30:44 <planetmaker> if you have never programmed a newgrf before, nml might be easier indeed 12:31:16 <planetmaker> but it offers - as most programming languages - no GUI interface, but requires an editor. E.g. unlike grfmaker 12:31:59 <Eddi|zuHause> oh great... "terrorists" will get "virtual bombs"... 12:32:39 <nicfer> I know the basics of text based coding 12:32:39 <Eddi|zuHause> that's an improvement of the "abstract danger" that was previously the reason for all the "anti-terror" surveillance 12:33:07 <nicfer> I think I even made some nfo tries 12:35:44 *** karol [~karol@adsl-dyn58.78-98-17.t-com.sk] has joined #openttd 12:35:58 *** SigHunter [~sighunter@pD955F12D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:36 *** karol [~karol@adsl-dyn58.78-98-17.t-com.sk] has quit [] 13:15:51 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.15.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:21:41 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-115-186.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:37 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 13:29:16 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host81-132-230-11.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:29:46 <LordAro> moin 13:33:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-115-186.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 13:40:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 13:44:55 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:29 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 13:48:29 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-186-2.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:54:16 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-47-188.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:58:35 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 14:06:14 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:40 <andythenorth> bah 14:10:54 <andythenorth> drawing boat hull shapes is very hard :P 14:13:03 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0862ae.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:18:52 *** Chrill [~Chrill@ip68-8-120-178.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [] 14:22:26 <LordAro> i would've thought that you would be well practised by now :p 14:27:38 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:33:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:35:03 <Alberth> but the quality standard also gets higher as you get more experience :) 14:36:00 <LordAro> definitely :) 14:36:03 <LordAro> hi Alberth 14:38:48 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:48 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 14:51:35 <Alberth> hi 14:54:52 <andythenorth_> most of the FISH hulls are rendered then painted over 14:54:58 <andythenorth_> I have no render for this one 15:05:56 *** SliGow [sligoman@178.206.213.65] has joined #openttd 15:06:09 *** SliGow [sligoman@178.206.213.65] has left #openttd [] 15:23:46 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth_] 15:28:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B0F6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:33:23 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D299.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:45:13 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:11 *** ndh [~opera@dslb-088-074-020-053.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:58:17 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5D34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:18:53 *** nicfer [~Administr@190.50.50.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 16:32:00 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CF6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:59 * andythenorth ponders adjusting FISH refits 16:41:16 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host81-132-230-11.range81-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so."] 16:43:58 <peter1138> this cargo starting and ending at the same station issue is frustrating :p 16:45:52 <andythenorth> I didn't notice it in my YACD game 16:45:58 <andythenorth> does it mostly affect PAX? 16:46:15 <Yexo> I have a file which kate refuses to open as utf-8, while I'm sure that parts of the file are in fact utf-8 16:46:29 <Yexo> how can I figure out which part(s) are invalid? 16:47:12 <planetmaker> can you load it and save it as utf-8? 16:47:31 <planetmaker> as in load as *something* and save as utf-8? 16:48:05 <Yexo> while it's open I can't change the encoding to utf-8, so I can't save it as such 16:48:20 <Yexo> hmm, I can ;) 16:48:29 <planetmaker> :-) 16:49:12 <Yexo> but now the previously valid utf-8 strings are incorrectly saved :( 16:49:48 <planetmaker> can you not 'save as' but 're-interpret as'? 16:50:03 <Yexo> that didn't work, probably because part of it is invalid utf-8 16:50:36 <Yexo> figured it out :) 16:51:01 <Yexo> few lines of python to figure out which line was invalid utf-8, removed that part and now I'm able to read the file correctly 16:51:23 <planetmaker> :-) 16:53:52 <peter1138> andythenorth, i guess so. other cargo is way less likely to be accepted locally. 16:54:24 <andythenorth> so that's why I have 5k PAX waiting at some of my large stations 16:57:29 <peter1138> same with mail 16:59:26 * andythenorth goes back to drawing 16:59:36 * andythenorth will cheat at boats 17:02:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:05:15 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:06:23 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:25 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:18:34 *** asilv [~as@87-95-155-210.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:26:04 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r22486 /trunk/src/lang/dutch.txt: 17:45:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:17 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 11 changes by Parody 17:46:43 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0.1/20110413222027]] 17:46:59 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:47:44 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:59:05 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-186-2.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 18:01:18 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 18:04:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i knew it! dutch is a parody! 18:11:11 <SmatZ> :P 18:11:51 <SmatZ> hmm.. wasn't the world supposed to end around midnight CET? 18:12:12 <SmatZ> or will there be another "correction" to the date... 18:12:31 <SmatZ> 1994 was a mistake, yesterday was a mistake... 18:12:32 <Eddi|zuHause> the world is supposed to end plenty of times... 18:13:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and also, no, it was only "judgement day", where all worthy people have been called to heaven 18:13:08 <SmatZ> oh 18:13:17 <Eddi|zuHause> apparently, there were not that many worthy people :p 18:13:21 <SmatZ> :P 18:13:44 <Chris_Booth> hi 18:13:58 <SmatZ> hello CB 18:14:14 <SmatZ> dihedral ? are you here or in heaven? 18:14:38 <Terkhen> the rapture will happen whenever there are at least two people worthy of it 18:14:43 <__ln__> my sources say it was supposed to happen at 1800 hours regardless of timezone 18:15:10 <SmatZ> :-) 18:15:23 <SmatZ> maybe there weren't even two people worth... :x 18:15:31 <Terkhen> ^ :P 18:16:25 <SmatZ> ok, let's wait to 21st Dec 2012 :) 18:16:57 * Terkhen bets for nothing will happen 18:17:12 <SmatZ> hehe :) 18:17:29 <SmatZ> too bad one can't really bet on that 18:17:45 <SmatZ> if you win, you get the money 18:18:04 <SmatZ> if you lose, the world will end, and the betting company won't exist anymore 18:18:11 <SmatZ> so they can't gain anything 18:18:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and that is your problem? :p 18:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause> of course, gambling will likely make you not worthy :p 18:18:41 <SmatZ> :) 18:20:04 <Terkhen> joking about the final judgement probably makes you not worthy anyways so we are condemned already :) 18:21:20 <SmatZ> hehe :) 18:22:25 * andythenorth is confused by boat capacity 18:27:46 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 18:34:12 <peter1138> what about it? 18:34:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the passenger ships refitted to cargo have totally odd capacities 18:37:30 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 18:43:02 <andythenorth> irl, a 30m barge might hold up 500t 18:43:13 <andythenorth> but a 55m ship holds 700t 18:43:22 <andythenorth> @calc 55/30 18:43:22 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 1.83333333333 18:43:29 <andythenorth> @calc 700/500 18:43:29 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 1.4 18:43:47 <andythenorth> I guess ships have more crew cabins etc 18:44:06 <andythenorth> and need more structural strength for sea travel 18:44:35 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: what's weird about the pax ship cargo capacities? 18:45:02 <Eddi|zuHause> they're something like 157 18:45:08 <Eddi|zuHause> some really odd numbers 18:45:12 <andythenorth> he :) 18:45:22 <andythenorth> I guess my sense of humour only works for me :P 18:45:43 <andythenorth> they're a ridiculously expensive way to transport cargo anyway 18:45:56 <andythenorth> hmm 18:46:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it's that weird x4 multiplier 18:46:05 <Eddi|zuHause> which is way out... 18:46:13 <Eddi|zuHause> especially for ships 18:46:21 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CF6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:46:27 <andythenorth> I just made up my own multiplier in this case 18:46:33 <andythenorth> 1.7 18:46:53 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe i have not updated to the latest version yet 18:46:55 <Alberth> length*8 + 260t = capacity 18:47:10 <andythenorth> :) 18:47:31 <Alberth> 260 is too much to be right, I think 18:47:44 <SpComb> 8t/m? 18:50:47 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:51:27 <andythenorth> a 66ft humber keel has 80t capacity, but a 66ft puffer has 120t 18:51:36 <andythenorth> both are flat bottomed barge-type hulls 18:51:41 <andythenorth> both for uk coastal trade 18:51:53 <andythenorth> one has 50% more capacity 18:51:55 <andythenorth> bit odd 18:52:18 <andythenorth> there's draft and beam to account for as well I guess 18:52:36 <andythenorth> and density of cargo 18:52:37 <andythenorth> http://www.jim-shead.com/waterways/boats.php?wpage=BC2 18:57:54 *** Chris_Booth_ [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:59:11 <SpComb> 80t of feathers or 120t of hammers? 19:00:53 <andythenorth> hammers 19:02:10 <SpComb> it's an important difference 19:03:03 *** Chris_Booth [~Chris_Boo@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:05 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 19:07:16 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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DanMacK can draw an entire train set in the time it takes him to draw one boat for me. 20:13:42 <Ammler> what does small stuff mean, are the boats that small, so you need 100s to traspaort one primary? 20:14:13 <Ammler> 1t per boat :-) 20:14:48 <peter1138> draw it lifesize 20:14:51 <peter1138> then scale it down 20:15:04 <andythenorth> Ammler drawing a fork lift-truck is hard 20:15:14 <andythenorth> 7 pixels long to do a complex shape 20:16:09 <andythenorth> big stuff is hard because it has to be accurately lit 20:18:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r22488 /trunk/src/screenshot.cpp: -Doc: Add Doxygen comments to screenshot code. 20:18:50 <Wolf01> 'night 20:18:54 <Alberth> good night 20:18:54 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host223-159-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:19:10 <Alberth> too late, probably 20:25:19 *** Amis [~Amis@catv-89-135-77-239.catv.broadband.hu] has quit [Quit: *pop*] 20:28:34 *** asilv [~as@87-95-155-210.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Quit: asilv] 20:33:46 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:42:46 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 20:44:02 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc16-lewi15-2-0-cust395.2-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:45:33 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h216n3-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:20 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 20:58:32 *** Chillosophy [~Chillosop@ip91350749.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 21:04:18 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:06:15 <andythenorth> canal boats: http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=144738 21:07:03 * Hirundo grabs a magnifying glass 21:07:26 <andythenorth> it's a wee one 21:08:07 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 21:09:04 <Eddi|zuHause> on what kind of scale is that to the other ships? 21:09:55 <Eddi|zuHause> it should be slightly offset to the right of the tile, so two ships look like passing each other 21:10:21 <Eddi|zuHause> (ships pass on the right worldwide, unlike road side) 21:10:31 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 21:10:44 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-94-112-27-160.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:32 <peter1138> lies, ships pass through each other 21:17:53 <andythenorth> exactamly 21:18:07 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: it's on the same scale as the other ships in FISH :) 21:18:30 <andythenorth> turns out to be approx 2ft / pixel, although that was never a decision 21:23:42 <andythenorth> time for bed 21:24:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@213.99.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has left #openttd [] 21:33:14 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:38:24 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009415.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22489 /trunk/src/settings.cpp: -Fix [FS#4623]: don't cast pointers to unsigned long or vice versa 21:40:41 *** Xrufuian [~xrufuian@pool-98-119-100-204.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:41:59 <Terkhen> good night 21:45:58 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0862ae.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 21:57:01 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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