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00:02:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-13-131.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:06:12 *** fjb|mobile [~fjb@p5DDFD1A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:14:05 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-109-99.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 00:29:06 *** JVassie [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:38:33 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:25 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC5CF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 00:42:51 *** r0w [~r0w@77-56-133-189.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 00:43:26 <r0w> hi 00:43:49 <r0w> i'm a newbie, and i'm having a small problem with bus, i've like 1'000 thousand ppl waiting 00:43:55 <r0w> how can i reduce this number ? 00:44:50 <r0w> i'd like to have this 1'000 ppl on the airport :d 00:56:36 <Bilge> Yexo: still here? 00:59:33 <DoubleYou> r0w, that happens a lot :) 00:59:58 <r0w> is there something to do ? 01:00:05 <r0w> i really hate bus :d 01:00:32 <DoubleYou> i'm not sure about the internals, but i think it has something to do with how often the bus visits and how often an airplane visits the station (which is commonly much rarer) 01:00:33 <DoubleYou> hehe 01:00:56 <DoubleYou> i haven't really found a solution to it either, but you could combine the bus and airport in a single route 01:01:29 <DoubleYou> also, probably because the bus station is in the middle of the city and the airport is more out, the catchment of the bus station takes many large buildings while the airport takes less 01:01:30 <Bilge> Transfers 01:01:49 <DoubleYou> that's possible too, transfer passengers by bus to the airport 01:02:06 <DoubleYou> still need to transfer all those 1000 passengers :) which needs quite a lot of buses 01:02:34 *** Katje_ is now known as Katje 01:02:56 <Bilge> Is anyone aware of this exploit: 01:03:00 <Bilge> http://i.imgur.com/uwl6Q.gif 01:03:13 <r0w> yeah 01:03:31 <r0w> if I delete my bus station will the passenger at the airport increase ? 01:04:25 <Bilge> r0w: http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Production_change 01:04:51 <r0w> going to look 01:04:51 <r0w> thx 01:04:57 <Bilge> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Cargo_delivery_to_stations 01:14:14 *** fjb is now known as Guest3952 01:14:16 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFC9D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:21:12 *** Guest3952 [~frank@p5DDFD1A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:45:56 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 01:47:41 *** zachanim1 [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:26:29 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-129-232.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:31:14 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-147-018.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:27 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:45:27 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:53:56 *** Bilge [~bilge@92.28.197.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:19:28 *** thefirstdude [~gasdfg@71-10-68-222.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com] has joined #openttd 03:19:39 <thefirstdude> Hi] 03:19:46 *** Zeknurn [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:20:58 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> weber.oftc.net quits: tparker, Vadtec 03:21:31 *** Netsplit over, joins: tparker, Vadtec 03:21:44 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe64de00-55.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 03:28:39 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:495e:99ea:8bf9:b31e] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:01:32 *** Zeknurn [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 04:50:42 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:06 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7765F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:57:31 <bodis> morning 05:03:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76489.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:37:08 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:49:22 <Terkhen> good morning 06:14:43 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0497ba.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:25:18 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-101-128.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:27:32 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:28:43 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:32:09 <Terkhen> anyone knows if that BuildOTTD project still works? 06:32:26 *** ar3k [~ident@ebm75.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 06:39:45 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecp225.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:43:17 *** thefirstdude [~gasdfg@71-10-68-222.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49:07 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 06:52:22 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has left #openttd [] 06:54:00 <planetmaker> iirc not 06:58:39 <Terkhen> http://wiki.openttd.org/FAQ_development#Now_I_have_got_the_source_code_how_can_I_compile_it.3F <--- it is still being listed here as a valid option for compiling OpenTTD, but since it does not work on Vista (and I assume it does not work in 7 either) I can't test 07:00:47 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 07:06:32 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:37:51 *** JVassie [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:15 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@marvin-18-230.cnt.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 07:58:10 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 08:02:52 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:04:11 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC560E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:24:34 <Ammler> Terkhen: afaik, it doesn't work since the new openttd CF with finger.openttd.org 08:26:05 <Ammler> also the tool should be on sourceforge ready to fork ;-) 08:26:50 <Terkhen> I'll remove it from the "how can I compile" page then 08:27:34 <Ammler> hmm, not sure, but there might be a modified version on tt-forums 08:27:37 *** Bilge [~bilge@92.28.197.104] has joined #openttd 08:30:08 <Terkhen> the last reference in the forums to a successful build using BuildOTTD is from 2009 08:30:55 <Ammler> wow, those spam bots got very clever: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&p=950681#p950681 (or is that manual spam?) 08:31:10 <Terkhen> Ammler: they copy posts from the same thread 08:31:35 <Ammler> ah, I see 08:32:43 <Ammler> I added a simple antispam rule to our wiki: just block every content with \.com :-) 08:32:50 <Ammler> since then, no spam anymore 08:32:54 <planetmaker> :-D 08:33:03 <planetmaker> I cannot link to openttd.com then :-( :-P 08:33:40 <Ammler> well, if they pay, I can make a exception :-) 08:33:48 <planetmaker> :-) 08:34:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:36:45 <Eddi|zuHause> why did i read "openttd.exe" the first time? 08:39:34 <Terkhen> :D 08:43:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:52:27 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 09:01:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:23:50 <dihedral> oi# 09:39:10 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host198-236-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:39:29 <Wolf01> hello 09:45:01 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC560E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 09:53:42 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host246-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:53:43 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest4000 09:53:43 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 09:59:19 *** Guest4000 [~wolf01@host198-236-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:51 <Bilge> Follow cam doesn't work unless you're fully zoomed in 10:07:29 *** ctibor [~quassel@77.48.228.43] has joined #openttd 10:11:03 <Terkhen> yes 10:11:04 *** keky___ [~stefan@p5098b65a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:13:21 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:06:55 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:11 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:13:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A090.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:15:46 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 11:19:25 *** DoubleYou [~jkuckartz@ppp118-209-109-99.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [] 11:19:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6BD5C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:26:01 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes google really scares me: http://d.pr/UMTE 12:07:13 <welshdragon> aww 12:07:19 <welshdragon> poor Eddi|zuHause 12:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: have you actually understood what it said? 12:08:40 <welshdragon> nope :P 12:09:45 <planetmaker> outch 12:09:52 *** amkoroew [~Heinz@p5B107F53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:10:01 <planetmaker> I really really wonder where that suggestion comes from 12:10:21 <welshdragon> i'm still trying to understand why my server doesn't read the openttd.cfg file in ./openttd 12:10:30 <Vikthor> That's gonna be some fuel for conspiracy theretics :p 12:10:36 <welshdragon> * /.openttd 12:10:38 <planetmaker> welshdragon, "how many cucumber were eliminated the last days?". Google suggests "how many Turkish were eliminated the last days" 12:10:39 <Vikthor> *theoretics 12:10:49 <Eddi|zuHause> welshdragon: usually if you also have one in pwd 12:11:34 <welshdragon> cheers Eddi|zuHause 12:12:51 <peter1138> heh 12:13:07 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:556c:3e12:8a8f:1b9e] has joined #openttd 12:13:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:13:46 <planetmaker> hm, today's google allows to play guitar :D 12:14:39 *** JVassie [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:43 <welshdragon> it was because I installed openttd in /root 12:14:57 <planetmaker> ! 12:15:21 <welshdragon> yreah 12:15:31 <welshdragon> oops... 12:16:00 * planetmaker suggests to cure that with a heart-lightening "rm -rf /" 12:16:12 <welshdragon> mhm 12:16:24 <welshdragon> just going to move the config file 12:19:08 <Bilge> Don't you mean, light-hearted 12:19:20 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: that doesn't work on modern distributions 12:19:41 <planetmaker> not? 12:19:45 <planetmaker> what changed? 12:19:47 <Eddi|zuHause> try it ;) 12:19:55 <planetmaker> :-D 12:20:06 <planetmaker> I know that this is an old one. And I'll be damned 12:20:19 <Bilge> Do servers always reset once they reach a certain date or is it just the one I'm playing on? 12:20:38 *** JVassie [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 12:20:45 <planetmaker> it's yours 12:20:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it needs something like --no-protect-root or similar 12:21:15 <planetmaker> interesting 12:21:24 <planetmaker> but actually sensible :-) 12:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause> --no-preserve-root 12:23:54 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-161-134.joensuunelli.fi] has joined #openttd 12:25:03 * peter1138 plays the googletar 12:27:27 <Eddi|zuHause> is it supposed to make sound? 12:27:36 <peter1138> yes 12:27:53 <peter1138> either on mouseover or keyboard if you press the keyboard icon 12:27:53 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't work here 12:30:43 <Eddi|zuHause> weird, sound works in firefox, but not in konqueror 12:31:23 <glx> blame the config I'd say 12:31:46 <Eddi|zuHause> next problem: how do i play half-tones ;) 12:34:20 <peter1138> quite :S 12:35:03 <glx> http://prollyisnotprobably.com/2011/06/this_is_why_i_hate_bike_lanes.php <-- so true (and not only in NYC) 12:36:18 <welshdragon> seen that on Reddit, glx 12:38:06 <peter1138> so many set ups :( 12:40:24 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, and google has no clue about different keyboard layouts... 12:41:39 <welshdragon> Does it matter that my openttd.cfg file for 1.1.1 has [version] 12:41:39 <welshdragon> version_string = IS2.1.1 12:41:39 <welshdragon> version_number = 100048EB in it? 12:46:36 <welshdragon> meh 12:46:39 <welshdragon> it works 12:46:51 <welshdragon> now all I need to do is set graphics 12:50:35 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 12:51:20 <Yexo> welshdragon: that version in your openttd.cfg should be overwritten as soon as you close openttd 12:52:39 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [] 13:01:06 <JVassie> anyone aware of the best bridgetset to work with NA roads? 13:01:16 <JVassie> which will ideally work with nutracks too 13:01:23 <JVassie> *bridgeset 13:03:31 <V453000> some special version of total bridges 13:03:34 <V453000> 1.11 13:03:49 <V453000> there are multiple 1.11s even 13:04:43 <JVassie> hmm 13:04:59 <JVassie> happen to have a download link handy pls? 13:05:39 <Belugas> hello 13:10:22 <JVassie> V453000, does that version work with nutracks as well? 13:10:36 <V453000> as far as I know it does 13:10:50 <V453000> and no, I do unfortunately not have a link where to download it 13:10:59 <V453000> maybe google it, it is on the tt forum 13:11:05 <V453000> not sure if that is the correct version though 13:11:11 <TrueBrain> GENERAL NOTICE: openttd.org will be a bit slow; we are doing some massive I/O operation on it, while sending out a lot of bytes over the network :) 13:11:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host246-235-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 13:14:05 <JVassie> dotn worry found it 13:14:24 <JVassie> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=736691#p736691 13:14:27 <Terkhen> hi Belugas 13:16:04 <JVassie> one final question V453000 please, shoudl the bridge grf go before or after the road/rail grfs? 13:16:08 <JVassie> *should 13:16:20 <V453000> try? 13:16:33 <JVassie> :p 13:20:02 <Belugas> hello Terkhen :) 13:24:15 <JVassie> hmm 13:24:28 <JVassie> seems to work fien with nutracks 13:24:38 <JVassie> tbrs before nutracks in the list 13:24:59 <JVassie> with na roads it always seems to draw them in the modern style 13:25:05 <JVassie> before or after inthe list 13:25:09 <JVassie> but not a huge problem 13:26:34 <JVassie> thansk for the help :) 13:27:45 <planetmaker> JVassie, afaik roads can be only one style or the other... 13:28:07 <JVassie> aye 13:28:23 <JVassie> the bridges are never shown in the old dirt style though is what im saying 13:28:29 <JVassie> the normal roads change 13:28:34 <JVassie> just not on the bridges 13:31:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:33:48 <V453000> if you _need_ to start playing before 1950 (which is when the roads are dirt), you can just change the roads with a parameter to be always bitumen 13:34:37 <Belugas> cool way to celebrate Les Paul :) Thanks Google 13:34:48 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 13:35:55 <welshdragon> how do I find out (on a server game) which directory OpenTTD is looking for the config file? 13:36:17 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@baud.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Upgrading weechat] 13:37:04 <Yexo> welshdragon: by reading readme.txt section 4.2 13:38:28 <welshdragon> right. /.openttd doesn't exist 13:38:36 * welshdragon tries that 13:38:47 <Yexo> it's ~/.openttd, not /.openttd 13:39:18 <welshdragon> yes, i know 13:39:32 <welshdragon> but it still didn't exits 13:39:35 <welshdragon> *exist 13:39:54 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@baud.org.uk] has joined #openttd 13:39:56 <welshdragon> and anyway, the config loads fine 13:40:11 <welshdragon> I just can't get the server to load the newgrf'd 13:40:29 <Yexo> the newgrfs are specified in your config file? 13:40:35 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@baud.org.uk] has quit [] 13:40:43 <welshdragon> yes 13:40:51 <Yexo> what is the exact location of the newgrfs and can you copy one line of your config file? 13:40:53 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@baud.org.uk] has joined #openttd 13:41:24 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@baud.org.uk] has quit [] 13:41:41 *** dotwaffle [~dotwaffle@baud.org.uk] has joined #openttd 13:41:44 <welshdragon> /home/markjones/content_download/data 13:41:46 <welshdragon> [newgrf-static] 13:41:46 <welshdragon> ottdc_grfpack/8_vehicles/road_vehicles/grvts/egrvts.grf = 13:42:16 <welshdragon> i've added them to [newgrf-static] 13:42:25 <peter1138> "cool", you've made ~ your openttd config directory 13:42:41 <welshdragon> nope 13:42:43 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 13:42:53 <welshdragon> that's in /home/markjones ;) 13:43:03 <Yexo> welshdragon: ~ IS /home/markjones 13:43:15 <welshdragon> oh 13:43:16 <welshdragon> :P 13:43:28 <planetmaker> and... egrvts CANNOT be made static 13:43:42 <planetmaker> openttd will ignore that 13:43:43 <Yexo> that, and openttd will ignore your home directory as search path 13:43:59 <Yexo> so move your data directory to /home/markjones/.openttd/data/ 13:44:58 <Yexo> having static grfs as server is stupid anyway, since "static" means "for this client only", on other words not for anyone who joins your server 13:45:14 <Yexo> for a server you either want to put them in "[newgrf]" or not at all 13:45:24 <welshdragon> ah, right 13:45:30 * welshdragon edits the config 13:48:28 <Bilge> Yexo are you aware of this exploit: http://i.imgur.com/uwl6Q.gif 13:48:45 <Yexo> yes 13:49:07 <Bilge> Why is this allowed? 13:49:20 <planetmaker> why not? 13:49:28 <planetmaker> you're not forced to use it. 13:49:29 <Yexo> because nobody has find a way yet to disallow that via code 13:49:29 <JVassie> ... 13:49:35 <Yexo> and most servers disallow it via the rules 13:49:35 <planetmaker> And you can set station spread to a small value 13:49:42 <Bilge> Just decrease the range on station connection 13:49:47 <welshdragon> ok, content_download is now .openttd 13:49:50 <planetmaker> yes. Then just do that Bilge 13:50:01 <planetmaker> make the max station size 6 and it'd poof gone 13:50:09 <welshdragon> it still can't see the files 13:50:13 <welshdragon> :/ 13:50:24 <welshdragon> (i did edit the config file) 13:50:26 <Bilge> I didn't realise it was a setting 13:50:32 <Yexo> welshdragon: if you start openttd with -d grf=5, do you get output about any newgrfs? 13:51:37 <welshdragon> after map generation I get this: ERROR: Could not start the server 13:51:57 <Yexo> and the lines before or after that? 13:52:56 <planetmaker> pastebin is a wonderful invention 13:53:04 <welshdragon> http://pastebin.com/n07CC8xw 13:53:08 <welshdragon> I get that ^ 13:57:05 * welshdragon watches the channel fall silent... 13:57:21 <Yexo> sorry, no idea how that could happen 13:58:35 <welshdragon> I KNOW 13:58:41 <welshdragon> ok, content_download is now .openttd 13:58:46 <welshdragon> ^ I did that 13:58:49 <welshdragon> it broke :/ 13:58:52 <planetmaker> ... 13:59:13 <Yexo> is there any content in that apart from a data/ directory? 13:59:26 <welshdragon> yup 13:59:28 <planetmaker> errm... why the heck do you wildly rename or symlink dirs? 13:59:34 <Yexo> an openttd.cfg perhaps? 13:59:50 <welshdragon> no 14:00:02 <Yexo> planetmaker: he had content_download in $HOME, and user data inside it 14:00:08 <Yexo> so in this case that rename was correct 14:02:26 <Yexo> welshdragon: do you at least see a lot of lines starting with "dgb: [grf]" in your output before those map generation lines? 14:02:29 <planetmaker> sounds strange enough 14:03:01 <welshdragon> Yexo, no 14:03:02 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 14:03:16 <welshdragon> what i pasted is what the console outputs 14:03:49 <Yexo> that was not the complete output, the first lines of "Map generation percentage complete" are also missing 14:06:12 <welshdragon> http://pastebin.com/tu3yxU8i is the complete output 14:06:27 <Yexo> that is not complete either 14:06:31 <Yexo> still missing lines at the start 14:08:11 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Quit: On snow, everyone can follow your traces] 14:08:20 <welshdragon> yes, but this terminal cuts them off 14:08:47 <Yexo> so redirect the output to a file, for example by using tee 14:08:58 <Yexo> openttd -d grf=5 -D | tee output.txt 14:10:20 <Yexo> oh, add 2>&1 before the pipe, the output goes to stderr, not stdout 14:10:40 <peter1138> just delete everything 14:10:42 <peter1138> and give up 14:11:47 <welshdragon> no, I don't want to give u[ 14:12:00 <welshdragon> i paid for this server god damn it 14:12:24 <Sacro> lolz 14:13:44 <dihedral> anybody with a spare vmware essentials license key for me? 14:13:45 <dihedral> :-P 14:13:54 <dihedral> uh - a Sacro! hello 14:14:22 <Sacro> hello dihedral 14:15:36 <planetmaker> and can only trade with a VMWare 5 key 14:15:38 <welshdragon> Yexo, found it: dbg: [net] getaddrinfo for hostname "grf=5", port 3979, address family either IPv4 or IPv6 and socket type tcp failed: Name or service not known 14:15:58 <Bilge> Isn't it a bug that you can only follow cam at maximum zoom level? 14:16:04 <Yexo> welshdragon: what is the exactly commandline you use to start openttd? 14:16:18 <planetmaker> Bilge, no 14:16:31 <welshdragon> openttd -D grf=5 2>&1 | tee debug.txt 14:16:46 <Yexo> Bilge: when zooming out more has to be drawn, so it's slower. When moving around it becomes even more slow 14:16:56 <Yexo> welshdragon: you missed the "-d" before "grf=5" 14:17:12 <Yexo> try: openttd -D -d grf=5 2>&1 | tee debug.txt 14:17:38 <Yexo> -d and -D are different options 14:18:16 <Sacro> really? 14:18:19 <Sacro> How strange... 14:18:25 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.176.109] has joined #openttd 14:18:27 * Sacro trolls 14:19:55 <welshdragon> http://pastebin.com/4ks8kyTY 14:20:01 * welshdragon trolls Sacro's mum 14:22:48 <planetmaker> welshdragon, you might consider to use a newer version of OpenGFX. Though it doesn't matter much for a server. 14:23:19 <Yexo> welshdragon: could you retry with "misc=3" instead of "grf=5"? 14:23:36 <planetmaker> or net? 14:23:42 <Yexo> hmm, actually misc=4 14:23:43 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:23:45 <Yexo> that should print all search paths 14:24:21 <Yexo> planetmaker: first problem is "dbg: [grf] Scan complete, found 0 files" 14:24:38 <planetmaker> he, missed that :-) 14:25:28 <planetmaker> though it found some files before, obviously 14:25:51 <welshdragon> http://pastebin.com/psnkw4VB 14:26:57 <Yexo> welshdragon: you're starting openttd as root, that is a very bad idea 14:27:52 <Yexo> and I suppose that is also why it previously did find the grfs in /home/user/content_download, as that was not really your user dir (at least not while logged in as root) 14:28:35 <Yexo> if your config file is in /root/.openttd/openttd.cfg you need to move it to /home/<yourusername>/.openttd/openttd.cfg 14:29:12 <welshdragon> the only thing in root is the debug file from openttd 14:29:25 <planetmaker> what does whois tell you? 14:29:33 <planetmaker> whoami 14:29:35 <planetmaker> rather 14:30:06 *** Felicitus [~timo@idefix.timohummel.com] has left #openttd [] 14:30:07 <welshdragon> root 14:30:10 <welshdragon> :s 14:30:12 <welshdragon> ok 14:30:14 <planetmaker> if it's (still) root: first create a proper user 14:30:18 <welshdragon> i'll try as my user 14:30:39 <planetmaker> avoid being root.... generally 14:30:53 <planetmaker> especially never start non-system programmes as root 14:31:36 <planetmaker> then... when you logged in as marc (or whatever), go to your home dir: 14:31:37 <planetmaker> cd 14:31:38 <Chris_Booth> where is the fun in that? 14:31:52 <planetmaker> then unzip your openttd in its own sub folder 14:32:09 <planetmaker> then put the openttd.cfg in ~/.openttd 14:32:17 <planetmaker> the base set files in ~/.openttd/data 14:32:41 <planetmaker> then try to start the server again 14:33:02 <planetmaker> or... better don't put any openttd.cfg anywhere 14:37:55 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008769.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:38:02 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 14:47:43 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:50:25 <Yexo> welshdragon: did you get it to run? 14:50:43 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 14:50:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 14:53:13 <welshdragon> Yexo, my user isn't in the sudoers file 14:53:24 <welshdragon> so I'm trying to figure that out now :) 14:53:42 <Yexo> it doesn't need to be 14:54:00 <Yexo> you should be able to start openttd as normal user 14:54:20 <welshdragon> yes. I need to install openttd, however 14:54:25 <welshdragon> (I got the .deb) 14:54:28 <Yexo> just log in as root 14:54:37 <Yexo> install openttd, log out, log in as normal user 14:54:39 <Yexo> run openttd 14:55:27 <planetmaker> welshdragon: actually for a server I do not recommend to actually install it 14:55:43 <planetmaker> Not that it doesn't work. But updates to a new version take more time ;-) 14:55:56 <planetmaker> and there's no need to install it anyway 14:56:13 <planetmaker> and you can more easily have several versions alongside eachother if you do not install them 14:56:16 <Ammler> yes, use generic linux 14:58:14 <welshdragon> so, what do you recommend. planetmaker? 14:59:30 <planetmaker> taking the binary from a normal zip and just unziping it into whatever dir 15:00:05 <welshdragon> ah 15:00:08 <welshdragon> doing that now 15:00:41 <planetmaker> we keep them as subdirs in our openttd user's home dir 15:04:23 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.176.109] has quit [Quit: bbiab - driving] 15:11:15 <welshdragon> Yexo, it now just ignores the newgrf's 15:11:41 <welshdragon> sec, I'll pastebin the output 15:14:25 <Ammler> where are your newgrfs saved? 15:14:37 <Ammler> (located) 15:14:58 <planetmaker> and who has read permissions to them? 15:15:37 <Yexo> probably the path in your config file is wrong 15:15:40 <welshdragon> they are in /home/markjones/openttd-1.1.1-linux-generic-i686/data 15:16:12 <welshdragon> permissions are 755 15:17:10 <welshdragon> oh 15:17:21 <welshdragon> hang on 15:17:25 <welshdragon> i might have sussed it 15:17:32 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 15:17:41 <Ammler> would be wrong location anyway 15:17:50 <Ammler> should be in ~/.openttd/data 15:18:28 <Ammler> (not wrong, just not recommend) 15:18:50 <welshdragon> it's looking in usr/share/games/openttd 15:19:09 <welshdragon> perhaps, the grf's should be in there? 15:19:11 <Ammler> yep, also 15:19:19 <Ammler> no, that is just for root 15:19:27 <Ammler> you can't write there 15:20:13 <Ammler> even root should not write to /usr, just /usr/local :-) 15:21:52 <welshdragon> so, it is config file error? 15:22:04 <Ammler> as you have read teh readme, you know, there are around 4 different locations, openttd does search for newgrfs 15:22:26 <Ammler> where is your cfg? 15:22:43 <Ammler> I guess, it doesn't matter, though 15:23:23 <Ammler> location of cfg just matters for save location, afaik 15:23:43 <welshdragon> mm 15:23:56 * welshdragon shrugs 15:24:10 <Ammler> you have newgrf list in the cfg? 15:24:43 <Ammler> maybe those paths are wrong... 15:25:12 <welshdragon> yes, the newgrf's are listed in the config 15:25:32 <planetmaker> and where's the cfg? 15:25:36 <Ammler> I guess, you can just strip the paths and use filename only 15:26:10 <planetmaker> also... intially I suggest to just start with an empty newgrf list 15:26:19 <planetmaker> to see that the server runs at all. 15:26:34 <welshdragon> it does run 15:26:43 <Ammler> well, that I would assume as he said, it runs without newgrfs 15:26:44 <JVassie> I did earlier today, now I have approx. 45 newgrfs in there 15:27:45 <Ammler> also good idea is to configure game locally and then load the save on the server 15:30:35 <Ammler> just be sure to have same (=md5sum) newgrfs in ~/.openttd/data 15:33:54 <welshdragon> right, now the server won't start 15:34:18 <welshdragon> dbg: [net] getaddrinfo for hostname "misc", port 3979, address family either IPv4 or IPv6 and socket type tcp failed: Name or service not known 15:35:01 <Yexo> you forgot -d again 15:35:31 <welshdragon> no, that was just standard openttd -D 15:35:37 <welshdragon> (it failed on) 15:35:45 <Rubidium> you forgot it a previous time 15:36:18 <Yexo> edit your config file to remove some line in [server] that ends with "= misc" 15:36:25 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:56 <welshdragon> i found it 15:46:08 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:46:09 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED2BEAE.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:05:49 *** ar3k [~ident@ebm75.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Quit: âI-n-v-i-s-i-o-nâ 3.2 (July '10)] 16:06:29 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-202-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:13:46 <welshdragon> can I disable all the [dbg] output? 16:14:16 <planetmaker> don't use "-d whatever" as switch 16:14:53 <welshdragon> it automatically does it when i run Openttd -D 16:15:09 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:15:24 <bodis> evening 16:15:37 <glx> welshdragon: debuglevel net0 in the console IIRC 16:15:41 <Terkhen> hi bodis 16:16:05 <glx> and you can add it to autorun.scr 16:16:15 <glx> or something like that 16:17:42 <welshdragon> fuuuuuuuuuuu- 16:17:57 <welshdragon> why do I fail at setting up a server :( 16:19:52 <planetmaker> hi bodis 16:20:46 <Ammler> setup ottd server is not for uk guys 16:23:37 <Rubidium> because it's not translated to Welsh? 16:24:22 <Ammler> yes, s/uk/welsh/ :-) 16:25:21 <Ammler> welshdragon: if it fails, you could start again but this time read the readme :-) 16:25:59 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-30-110.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:26:05 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0f84fe.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:27:05 <Yexo> welshdragon: start with "-D -d net=0" 16:34:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:35:03 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: planetmaker * r22548 /trunk/src/ (date_type.h industry_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Name also the magic number for the lumber mill's tree cutting action (FeyFre) 16:38:05 <frosch123> hmm what does the button of the g of todays google logo do? 16:38:08 <welshdragon> cheers Yexo 16:38:37 <planetmaker> frosch123: sound? 16:39:09 <planetmaker> i.e. try to play guitar ;-) 16:39:24 <frosch123> yes, but i mean the button which goes red if you press it 16:39:29 <frosch123> it has no effect for me 16:39:39 <welshdragon> NewGRF Mismatches 16:39:43 <Yexo> hovering the sings plays a sound here 16:39:55 <welshdragon> so I guess that fails 16:39:57 <frosch123> so it does for me :) 16:40:11 <Prof_Frink> frosch123: keyboard 16:40:32 <frosch123> ah, indeed, thanks 16:44:46 *** ar3k [~ident@ebo197.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:44:48 *** ar3k is now known as ar3kaw 16:47:16 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:50:30 <welshdragon> http://pastebin.com/Mvz7fWpg 16:50:42 <welshdragon> will that cause a fail? 16:51:02 <Yexo> depends, are the grfs named liked that in your data/ directory? 16:51:16 <Yexo> if they are in a subdirectory I think you'll have to provide the relative path from the data directory 16:51:46 <welshdragon> they are in data/content_download/ and are all .tar files 16:51:47 <Yexo> also you have "egrvts.grf" and "chips", you either have to provide ".grf" or not, but one of the too will cause a fail 16:52:30 <welshdragon> ah, yes 16:52:52 <Yexo> you'll have to provide the path inside the tar file 16:53:21 <Yexo> so if chips is in data/content_download/data/chips.tar/chips/chips.grf you have to put "chips/chips.grf" in your config file 16:53:52 <welshdragon> so I'll need to unpack all the files? fine. I can do that 16:54:16 <Yexo> no, you just need to find out the name of the directory inside the tar 16:55:45 <Yexo> "tar -tf filename.tar" will list all files and directories inside filename.tar 17:10:01 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:10:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:17:36 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:17:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 17:19:38 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:15 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@marvin-18-230.cnt.nerim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:19 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC560E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:40:39 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:40:45 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-202-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:41:10 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:41:42 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 17:43:45 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-202-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:19 *** Klatuferatanektu [~Klatufera@p5B3E0EAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:45:26 <Klatuferatanektu> Hi 17:45:26 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: translators * r22549 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files): 17:45:26 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:26 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 1 changes by Gavin 17:45:26 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: dutch - 2 changes by Parody 17:45:26 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: norwegian_bokmal - 16 changes by kristoffer_hh 17:45:27 <CIA-10> OpenTTD: swedish - 7 changes by Ingerfara 17:47:11 <Klatuferatanektu> A friend and me installed openttd 1.1.1 win64bit version. everythigng seems to work fine. but: we cannot find the server the other one created 17:47:15 <Klatuferatanektu> whats wrong? 17:48:08 <fjb> Sounds like a router or firewall issue. 17:48:09 <planetmaker> @ports 17:48:09 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 17:48:18 <planetmaker> check your routers and firewalls 17:49:23 <Klatuferatanektu> ok, thy. ill check taht 17:50:59 <welshdragon> Klatuferatanektu, also: it helps if your friend has got the server set to advertise 17:57:11 <Klatuferatanektu> welshdragon: how to set the server to advertise? 18:00:40 <welshdragon> Klatuferatanektu, when starting a server: under Connection (it's default is LAN/Internet), choose Internet (Advertise) 18:01:43 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-202-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:11 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-202-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:57 *** ar3kaw is now known as ar3ka 18:13:47 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:14:35 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has joined #openttd 18:17:05 <welshdragon> YEEEEEES! 18:17:09 <welshdragon> my server works 18:17:24 <welshdragon> and so do the Newgrf's :D 18:19:17 *** keky___ [~stefan@p5098b65a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:20:22 <planetmaker> congratz :-) 18:25:18 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-202-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:08 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:22 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-202-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:38:40 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-31-244.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:44:57 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-230-180.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:55:17 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 19:10:04 *** Kurimus [Kurimus@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe64de00-55.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 19:10:32 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:46 <Bilge> Why do some servers pause when players connect while others don't? 19:10:57 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 19:11:38 <TWerkhoven> its a server-side setting 19:11:47 <__ln__> *it's 19:12:10 <TWerkhoven> some servers enable it so people can establish a connection before the cpu gets too loaded with all the vehicles 19:12:34 <Bilge> wat 19:12:55 <Bilge> I am 99% certain that would NOT be the reason it exists 19:17:02 <planetmaker> thus one can err 19:18:26 <V453000> lol 19:26:40 <peter1138> no 19:26:48 <peter1138> it is 100% the reason that setting exists 19:27:32 * peter1138 remembers the bad old days... 19:27:43 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-50-22.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:29:37 * V453000 remembers the bad current days... 19:29:38 <V453000> :p 19:31:36 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-101-128.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:32:27 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-31-244.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:41:54 <bodis> quick question, I downloaded the following NewGRFs, are they compatible with each other and in which order to enable them: British Town Names, TTRS3.11, eGRVTS, 2cc train 19:42:16 <planetmaker> yes. any 19:42:31 <bodis> this is my first attempt to use NewGRF's so sorry if the question is dumb 19:42:41 <bodis> k ty planetmaker 19:43:01 <bodis> planetmaker, what do you guys use for new grf's, C++? 19:43:21 <planetmaker> it has its own language 19:43:27 <bodis> ohh 19:43:40 <bodis> what is it 19:44:01 <planetmaker> there are two options: nfo which is the equiv. of assembler 19:44:04 <bodis> do you need a trainee?:P 19:44:05 <Yexo> nfo, the documentation can be found here: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=NewGraphicsSpecs 19:44:11 <planetmaker> and there's nml. which can be compared to c then 19:44:22 <Yexo> meanwhile there is also nml, which is a bit higher language and the compiler for nml can output either nfo or grf files 19:44:28 <bodis> assembler sounds good 19:44:34 <Yexo> documentation of the latter is here: http://hg.openttdcoop.org/nml/raw-file/tip/docs/index.html 19:44:52 <bodis> which is preferred? 19:45:00 <Yexo> nml for readability :) 19:45:01 <planetmaker> personal choice 19:45:07 <Yexo> but I'm obviously biased 19:45:09 <planetmaker> but... I'd pick nml every day 19:45:10 <bodis> ok 19:45:13 <bodis> hehe 19:45:25 <bodis> steep learning curve? 19:45:39 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:45:39 <planetmaker> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects 19:45:40 <Yexo> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-industries/nightlies/LATEST/log/ogfx-industries.nml and http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-industries/nightlies/LATEST/log/ogfx-industries.nfo 19:45:43 <Yexo> you can compare those two files 19:45:44 <planetmaker> ^ look through there 19:45:49 <bodis> ok ty 19:45:54 <planetmaker> ah, good thing, Yexo :-) 19:45:59 <Yexo> the first one is nml code, the second one is the nfo output by the nmlc compiler 19:46:12 <Yexo> manually written nfo is somewhat easier to read sometimes, but not much 19:46:19 <planetmaker> which you'd need to write, if you chose nfo ;-), but 19:46:31 <planetmaker> what he says 19:46:45 <Yexo> writing nfo is not much harder than reading, perhaps even easier 19:47:02 <planetmaker> I guess so, yes 19:47:07 <bodis> some code :) 19:47:16 <planetmaker> but re-visiting the same is... bad ;-) 19:47:36 <planetmaker> bodis: the big newgrfs have severa thousands of lines of code 19:47:39 <planetmaker> in nfo 19:47:42 <Yexo> bodis: in the repository it's cleanly divided in multiple files 19:47:51 <Yexo> but this is the only way to directly compare nml to nfo 19:48:04 <Yexo> planetmaker: also in nml 19:48:06 <bodis> I will take a look, looks I will go nml way 19:48:14 <planetmaker> yes, also there 19:48:19 <bodis> is nml used only for ttd? 19:48:26 <Terkhen> yes 19:48:27 <planetmaker> yes 19:48:31 <bodis> :) 19:48:42 <planetmaker> it's similar to gimp-fu 19:48:48 <planetmaker> it has one use-case 19:48:58 <bodis> ok seems like a challenge :) 19:49:14 <bodis> you boys are active developers? 19:49:35 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.225.29.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 19:49:39 <planetmaker> we're inactivity impersonated 19:49:44 <bodis> lol 19:49:58 <Terkhen> in nml or in openttd? :P 19:50:03 <planetmaker> :-D 19:50:09 <planetmaker> or nfo? 19:50:39 <Yexo> bodis: everyone in this channel with op or voice is an openttd developer 19:50:47 <bodis> ok 19:51:00 <Yexo> planetmaker, Terkhen and myself are also developers of nml 19:51:08 <bodis> omg 19:51:35 <Terkhen> for nml I write small patches and documentation that Yexo has to review anyways :P 19:51:40 <Yexo> hence why I said: I'm obviously biased :) 19:51:53 <bodis> right 19:51:56 <bodis> toturials? 19:52:01 <Terkhen> which reminds me that I completely forgot about grf2nml 19:52:06 <Yexo> for nml or nfo? 19:52:10 <bodis> nml 19:52:27 <Yexo> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/nml/raw-file/tip/docs/index.html the reference documentation and the forum topic: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=48891 19:52:43 <Terkhen> I don't think we have a step by step tutorial, though 19:52:44 <Yexo> there are also small examples in the regression test directory 19:52:55 <Terkhen> but feel free to ask as many questions as you want :P 19:53:15 <Terkhen> you should play a bit with NewGRFs first to know what they can be do :) 19:53:21 <Terkhen> s/can be/can/ 19:53:23 <bodis> yep 19:53:26 <Yexo> and all opengfx+ projects could serve as example too, you can find them here: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects 19:54:44 <Yexo> Terkhen: just updated both http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/regr_added.diff and http://devs.openttd.org/~yexo/grf2nml.diff 19:56:03 <Terkhen> nice, I almost have linux again :) 19:56:10 <bodis> lol 19:56:13 <planetmaker> almost? 19:56:25 <Terkhen> the stupid thing refuses to automount:P 19:56:30 <planetmaker> that's like "a little bit pregnant" ;-) 19:56:34 <Alberth> almost graduated? :) 19:56:53 <Terkhen> and if there is anything that annoys me I can't work 19:59:11 <Terkhen> Yexo: what was changed? 19:59:27 <Yexo> nothing significant 19:59:40 <Yexo> mostly removed all parts you committed 20:00:11 <Terkhen> ok :) 20:00:40 <bodis> Yexo, python 3.x not compatible? 20:00:55 <Yexo> not sure, I haven't tested with python 3.x in a long time 20:01:08 <Yexo> but I think PIL (python imaging library) is not compatible with python 3 yet 20:01:11 <bodis> what ships with debian squeeze? 20:01:16 <Terkhen> last time I tested setup.py refused to work 20:01:22 <Yexo> maybe it is in the meantime, but if not that is a major blocker 20:01:22 <Terkhen> bodis: use python --version 20:01:30 <Yexo> Terkhen: setup.py is part of nml ;) 20:01:41 <Yexo> that can be easily changed, if the rest of the code works 20:01:59 <bodis> 2.6.6 awes,ome :) 20:02:51 *** Klatuferatanektu [~Klatufera@p5B3E0EAD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 20:06:02 <bodis> how many projects are you guys working on? 20:06:41 <Yexo> that really depends on how you count 20:07:03 <Terkhen> too many? :P 20:07:05 <Yexo> biggest projects by far are openttd and nml 20:07:35 <bodis> wait a sec, you are actual developers of openttd itself? 20:07:54 <Alberth> what else :p 20:07:59 <bodis> lol 20:08:02 <bodis> awesome 20:08:03 <Yexo> <Yexo> bodis: everyone in this channel with op or voice is an openttd developer <- isn't that what I said? 20:08:05 <Terkhen> as Yexo said, everyone with op or voice here is a developer of openttd 20:08:13 <bodis> yeah.. 20:08:37 * bodis shuts up 20:08:39 <bodis> :P 20:08:47 <Alberth> including DorpsGek :p 20:09:12 <DorpsGek> of course I am 20:09:13 <bodis> right so what is good for a first project? 20:09:27 <bodis> need to get a feel of nml 20:09:39 <Yexo> play openttd, find something you don't like, and look for a good way to fix it 20:09:49 <planetmaker> ^ 20:09:52 <bodis> ahhh 20:09:57 <bodis> got one already 20:10:00 <planetmaker> that's how all these projects started 20:10:03 <bodis> time goes too quick :) 20:10:22 <bodis> I bet there is a newgrf for that :) 20:10:28 <Yexo> if you want to start with newgrf coding, you could try to see if there are any projects at the forum in need for a coder 20:10:33 <planetmaker> not feasible 20:10:37 <Yexo> no newgrf, but there is a patch for it 20:10:46 <bodis> hmm 20:10:49 <Terkhen> I tried to do one and failed :P 20:10:59 <Alberth> there are several daylength patches around 20:10:59 <bodis> I thought it would be as easy as to change a time variable 20:11:21 <bodis> :) 20:11:36 <Yexo> industry processing is done every 256 ticks, but a newgrf could in theory rely on the fact that that is 8 or 9 times per month 20:11:55 <bodis> ahh 20:11:57 <Yexo> if it does, it'll break if industry production is suddenly done 18 times per month 20:12:00 <planetmaker> time for bed. Good night folks 20:12:05 <Yexo> good night planetmaker 20:12:08 <bodis> nn 20:12:10 <Terkhen> night planetmaker 20:12:20 <Yexo> there are more similar problems: should the income per trip be altered or not? 20:12:20 <bodis> Yexo> if you want to start with newgrf coding, you could try to see if there are any projects at the forum in need for a coder <-- not a coder yet :) 20:12:30 <Alberth> and you don't want to increase daily income just because to lengten the day 20:12:44 <Yexo> if not, you can make a lot more profit in the same "years" by tuning the daylength factor, which means the highscore table is useless 20:12:50 <bodis> what happens after 2050? 20:12:50 <Yexo> of course it already is to some extend 20:13:03 <Alberth> the game continues 20:13:10 <Yexo> there are no new vehicels anymore, but otherwise you can just play on 20:13:10 <bodis> game goes on as normal? 20:13:15 <bodis> ahh ok 20:13:45 <Alberth> until around the year 5000000 :) 20:13:45 <Yexo> only in the year 5000000 (perpahs a zero more or less) the gameyear will stay the same 20:13:57 <bodis> lol 20:14:26 <Terkhen> could you define dates of introduction greater than 2050? 20:15:28 <Alberth> bodis: if you like toyland, there are almost no newgrfs for that climate 20:15:43 <bodis> never played it :) 20:15:58 <bodis> I would prefer mars :) 20:16:30 <bodis> I will start looking into this 20:16:35 <Bilge> I can already provide you with a list of things that need fixing 20:16:52 <Alberth> :D 20:16:54 <bodis> I havent touched nml yet 20:17:04 <bodis> need to learn it first 20:17:09 <bodis> dont i? 20:17:11 <Alberth> everybody has such a list ;) 20:17:17 <bodis> lol 20:17:19 <Bilge> Indeed 20:17:34 <Bilge> Is there an actual suggestions tracker? 20:17:50 <Terkhen> bodis: I'm planning to do a mars newgrf :P 20:17:59 <Yexo> there are several suggestions in the bug tracker: http://bugs.openttd.org/ 20:18:00 <bodis> awesome, I am in :) 20:18:01 <Alberth> Bilge: the wiki? 20:18:03 <Yexo> but nothing related to newgrfs 20:18:08 <Terkhen> great :P 20:18:16 <bodis> hehe 20:18:17 <Yexo> the wiki also has a long list: http://wiki.openttd.org/Requested_features 20:18:17 <Terkhen> it needs some changes in openttd itself before, though 20:18:29 <bodis> hmm 20:18:48 <Terkhen> and don't forget the suggestions forum: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=32 20:18:49 <Yexo> and there is a suggestions forum: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=32 20:18:59 <Alberth> Yexo: newgrf requests don't really belong in the openttd trackers imho 20:19:05 <Yexo> agreed 20:19:11 <Terkhen> bodis: for example, currently there is no way to decide which cargos make towns grow 20:19:14 <Yexo> but they don't "belong" anywhere currently 20:19:22 <Yexo> there are also some in the graphics development section: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewforum.php?f=66 20:19:37 <Terkhen> well, there is but it is not as complete as it should 20:19:42 <Yexo> Terkhen: isn't that what TOWN_EFFECT is for? 20:20:11 <bodis> so what does make town grow? 20:20:24 <Terkhen> Yexo: but if I want two cargos affecting town growth that forces me to use the tropic climate 20:20:30 <Yexo> bodis: see http://wiki.openttd.org/Town#Town_Growth 20:20:43 <bodis> right you know what boys, I am intrigued 20:20:51 <bodis> I will get on this and start reading up 20:20:54 <Yexo> <Terkhen> well, there is but it is not as complete as it should <- my reaction was before you wrote this, I completely agree there :) 20:20:55 <bodis> and playing :) 20:21:09 <Yexo> playing is no requirement :p 20:21:14 <bodis> lol 20:21:34 <Terkhen> :) 20:21:51 <Yexo> last time I played was openttdcoop psg200, they're not at 208 20:21:57 <Yexo> s/not/now/ 20:22:21 <Terkhen> I have been playing a lot lately, but probably because I'm already coding a lot but for stuff not related to openttd 20:22:39 <Terkhen> I should write a wiki page of requirements for the mars conversion grf 20:22:51 <Alberth> yacd needs testing :p 20:23:01 <Terkhen> I have been doing that :) 20:25:28 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@ris91-2-82-227-26-30.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:41 <bodis> damn the code is complicated 20:31:47 <bodis> or is wine in my blood? 20:32:00 <Alberth> a bit of both :) 20:32:01 <Terkhen> which code? openttd or nml? :P 20:32:05 <bodis> nml 20:32:13 <bodis> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-industries/nightlies/LATEST/log/ogfx-industries.nml 20:32:16 <bodis> looking at this 20:32:29 <Terkhen> hmm... that's the generated, complete nml file 20:32:38 <bodis> i will need some help cracking it 20:33:03 <Terkhen> you will have an easier time checking the separate files, at least they are organized: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-industries/repository/show/src 20:33:24 <Terkhen> "header" is the initial file 20:33:44 <Alberth> or clone a copy to your machine 20:34:04 <Terkhen> yes, if you have mercurial: http://hg.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-industries 20:35:35 <Alberth> you can start with a town-name newgrf, those are very simple. Then make it generate names from parts. 20:35:49 <bodis> k 20:36:18 <bodis> I will have to do this tomorrow, had 2 glasses of wine tonight... head not working very clear :P 20:36:35 <Alberth> industries are more complicated, as you have to specify a lot of things 20:37:04 <Alberth> some vehicle coding is also not too difficult, I think (never done that, so not sure) 20:37:17 <Terkhen> bodis: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/dutchtowns/repository/entry/dtnames.nml <--- this is one of the most simple newgrfs in nml 20:37:22 <bodis> ok I will aim to create lithuanian town grf, if there aint one already 20:38:15 <bodis> this one is simple! 20:38:25 <bodis> I can understand it :) 20:38:26 <Alberth> nml makes it simple :p 20:39:04 <Terkhen> bodis: the grfid is a (supposedly) unique identifier for the newgrf, then it defines the name, description and version 20:39:15 <Alberth> in nfo, you cannot have 4000 names. 20:39:24 <Terkhen> after that it defines a block of town names, each one with the same probability (1) 20:39:30 <Yexo> you can, but not in one block 20:39:38 <bodis> right, apologies in advance, I might have to annoy you guys with dumb questions for next few months :) 20:39:38 <Terkhen> oh, some have different probabilities :P 20:39:52 <Alberth> no problem at all :) 20:39:52 <Terkhen> bodis: don't worry, that's how I started too :P 20:39:57 <bodis> hehe 20:40:17 <bodis> good project to get stuck into 20:40:20 <Terkhen> :) 20:40:46 <bodis> done php last 4 weeks, need something new 20:42:11 <bodis> ok gonna play some ottd now, cant concentrate anyway :) 20:42:12 <Bilge> If not operating on a noise basis, what is the maximum number of airports for a town? 20:42:19 <Yexo> 2 20:42:42 <Terkhen> bodis: enjoy ;) 20:42:54 <bodis> whats better money maker, trains or plains? 20:42:56 <bodis> #ty 20:43:01 <Alberth> planes 20:43:08 <bodis> k 20:43:13 <Yexo> depends on the used grfs 20:43:20 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:45:06 <Bilge> Yexo how do you fund your OTTD obsession 20:45:35 <Yexo> being on irc is easy enough during college ;) 20:46:00 <Yexo> and I'm not always as much online as the last few days 20:46:26 <Bilge> Studying comp sci? 20:46:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d008769.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46:48 <Yexo> yes, how did you guess? :p 20:47:06 <Bilge> I didn't, I am your #1 stalker 20:50:45 <Bilge> Is there any kind of quality control involved with the bananas system or can anyone upload anything there, including broken or potentially malicious grfs? 20:51:18 <Terkhen> how can you code a malicious grf? 20:52:14 <Bilge> Buffer overflow maybe; I'm not here to theorise, just asking the question 20:52:48 <Terkhen> openttd should detect newgrfs with those kind of errors and disable them 20:53:09 <__ln__> "should" 20:53:23 <Terkhen> I can't claim to have tested every case :P 20:54:42 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: TTW - http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-third-tiberium-war] 21:03:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:26:59 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:04 <TrueBrain> GENERAL NOTICE: openttd.org will be a bit slow; we are doing some massive I/O operation on it, while sending out a lot of bytes over the network :) 21:33:23 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-89-176-30-110.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:36:56 <Terkhen> good night 21:41:33 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:41:48 <Bilge> dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/sda? 21:42:44 <Eddi|zuHause> urandom is faster 21:44:18 <Eddi|zuHause> also this hardly counts as "over the network" 21:45:08 <bodis> nn 21:46:02 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:51 *** TB [~patric@145.118.74.245] has joined #openttd 21:49:57 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.74.245] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:50:30 *** TB is now known as TrueBrain 21:51:01 *** Elvang [~Elvang@ip70-190-173-60.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 21:51:22 <Elvang> Greetings 21:52:04 <Elvang> When updating, do I just install over the previous version? 21:53:01 <Yexo> yes 21:53:11 <Elvang> Alright, thanks. 22:07:20 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC560E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 22:07:56 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 22:11:08 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:13:10 *** asilv [~as@h-62-142-161-134.joensuunelli.fi] has quit [Quit: asilv] 22:14:20 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-202-014.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:18:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-45-7.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:21:47 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:45:51 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 22:51:51 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:13 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:10:20 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 23:46:50 *** hgnmu128 [~hgnmu128@117.204.86.102] has joined #openttd 23:50:14 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:28 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.A212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit []