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00:05:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BDE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:24 <MNIM> heh 00:06:39 <MNIM> okaying in the golden age right now, 1935 00:08:17 <MNIM> beautiful vintage trains and planes, fast intercities, giant station halls, beautiful coastal and mountain tracks, the works 00:08:20 <MNIM> *playing 00:09:07 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC53D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 00:09:38 <MNIM> combined with TTRS, 2CCTS and AV8\ 00:14:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:29:15 *** fjb is now known as Guest6137 00:29:16 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFD410.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:34:42 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-157-64.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:36:14 *** Guest6137 [~frank@p5DDFDFB2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50:16 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:03:04 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:11:19 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:15:02 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 01:58:02 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:25:12 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-158-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:30:08 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-137-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:43:02 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 03:04:53 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:39 *** Doorslammer [7ca97a4e@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 03:08:06 *** Doorslammer [7ca97a4e@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 03:09:53 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.3.84] has joined #openttd 03:10:07 <pikka> hello world 03:12:10 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c9d:ae4f:de55:937f] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:13:23 <supermop> hello 03:14:38 <orudge> zomg Pikka 03:14:57 <pikka> oh look an orudge 03:15:13 <orudge> Oh noes 04:17:25 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 04:54:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73379.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:54:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B730C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:18:23 *** elmz [~elmz@184.213-167-126.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 05:54:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:20:18 <pikka> hi andy 06:25:31 <andythenorth> hola pikka 06:25:40 <andythenorth> is it bedtime? 06:25:49 <pikka> nope 06:26:02 <pikka> I'm sitting in a pub with orudge 06:26:02 * andythenorth is watching chuggington 06:26:13 <andythenorth> chuggington is not as good as I hoped 06:26:58 * andythenorth is sitting on a sofa with 1x sick child 06:26:59 <pikka> and stevenh, raichase, whitehand, and robotboy 06:27:06 <andythenorth> it's a gathering 06:27:13 <andythenorth> bet you're not watching chuggington 06:27:24 <pikka> chuggington isn't so good its true 06:28:44 <andythenorth> it's a bit like watching a talking version of Railroad Tycoon 3 06:28:57 <pikka> indeed 06:29:43 <andythenorth> definite uncanny valley effect on the human character 06:55:15 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:55:18 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:07:44 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 07:17:45 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has left #openttd [] 07:17:50 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-123-208.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:21:29 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:24:17 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 07:36:03 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-185-235.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:44:28 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:51:32 <Terkhen> good morning 07:52:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host222-16-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:52:20 <Wolf01> hello 07:53:14 * Alberth waves hi 07:54:37 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:00:31 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 08:10:45 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 08:10:57 *** DayDreamer1 [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has left #openttd [] 08:12:14 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Juo] 08:13:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-123-208.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:13:48 *** cx0der [~Shiva@117.192.173.113] has joined #openttd 08:26:00 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 08:26:01 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:34:06 *** JVassie [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 08:37:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CD7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:44:01 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has joined #openttd 09:08:56 <andythenorth> will something exciting happen today? 09:09:39 <Terkhen> I'm testing important stuff so... I hope not :P 09:10:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 09:11:16 *** cx0der [~Shiva@117.192.173.113] has left #openttd [] 09:13:55 *** Mks [~mks@c83-176-234-98.cust.tele2.se] has joined #openttd 09:16:20 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:21:51 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 09:23:29 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has quit [] 09:24:41 *** cx0der [~Shiva@117.192.173.113] has joined #openttd 09:33:37 *** Spenger [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:33:54 <Spenger> hi 09:34:00 <Alberth> hi 09:34:18 <Spenger> how are you? 09:34:28 <Alberth> pondering lunch 09:35:18 <planetmaker> launch! ;-) 09:35:19 *** Spenger [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 09:35:30 <planetmaker> hello :-) 09:35:36 <Alberth> hi planetmaker 09:41:01 *** cx0der [~Shiva@117.192.173.113] has left #openttd [Leaving.] 09:45:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:46:34 <fjb> Moin 09:46:42 <Alberth> moin 09:46:56 <fjb> Moin Alberth 09:47:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CD7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48:03 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:50:48 *** Amis [~Amis@5400EB3D.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 09:51:17 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 09:52:16 *** Pixa [~Pixa@85.210.79.198] has joined #openttd 09:55:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CD7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:54 *** dfox [~dfox@ip-94-113-17-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:23:33 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-123-208.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:30:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-123-208.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:34:06 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 10:34:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:34:44 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:36:35 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-10-175.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 10:37:14 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-78-184.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:41 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:51:46 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-10-175.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:57:33 *** SirSquid1ess [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has joined #openttd 10:57:34 *** SirSquidness [~sirsquidn@zomg.dongues.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.161.37] has joined #openttd 11:13:24 *** JVassie_ [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 11:17:17 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-117-234.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:19:21 *** JVassie [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.189.144] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:25:03 *** ZirconiumX [561b9caa@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:25:24 <ZirconiumX> Hello all 11:25:44 <Terkhen> hi ZirconiumX 11:26:16 <ZirconiumX> Hi Terkhen 11:26:58 <ZirconiumX> How are you 11:27:18 * ZirconiumX is runnig dangerously low on greeting etc. 11:27:27 * ZirconiumX can't spell either 11:29:08 * Alberth gives ZirconiumX some coffee 11:29:36 <ZirconiumX> thanks Alberth 11:29:43 * ZirconiumX doesn't like coffee 11:30:23 <ZirconiumX> I do - just not the horrible fairtrade stuff that has an aftertaste that stays for an hour or two 11:30:37 * ZirconiumX prefers Cona Coffee 11:31:22 <Terkhen> fighting with bugs in libraries :) (translation: not doing anything fun) 11:32:08 <ZirconiumX> cheating and looking in someone else's code (translation: It's OK, 11:32:15 <ZirconiumX> Terkhen) 11:32:29 <ZirconiumX> :p 11:33:24 <ZirconiumX> Well - _mostly_ someone else's work 11:36:08 * ZirconiumX is rewriting magic for the third time with assertions and something that actually works 11:38:50 <Alberth> the latter is useful :) 11:39:19 *** JVassie_ is now known as JVassie 11:39:21 <ZirconiumX> the second one worked - but was based on someone else's code 11:39:42 <ZirconiumX> which is useless if you want to say it's MINE 11:40:13 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-117-234.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:40:21 * Terkhen usually don't mind as long as it's done 11:40:56 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-64-39.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:41:40 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:42:10 <ZirconiumX> What's the difference between an int blah, an int *blah, and an int &blah 11:42:22 <ZirconiumX> in C++ 11:42:26 <ZirconiumX> or C 11:42:29 <ZirconiumX> whatever 11:43:41 <Terkhen> hmm... too long to explain here (specially pointers); you should check a C/C++ tutorial or book 11:44:24 *** Zeknurn [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:22 *** Zeknurn [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 11:55:23 <Alberth> int blah1 holds an int, int *blah2 holds a pointer to such an int, and int &blah3 is a reference, it behaves as an int, but uses a pointer internally 11:56:16 *** Zeknurn [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:44 *** Zeknurn [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 11:56:53 <ZirconiumX> thanks Alberth 11:58:02 <Alberth> unfortunately, my explanation does not make much sense unless you understand pointers 12:02:08 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-84-118.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:04:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:07:17 *** ashmir [b221ff31@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:07:46 <ashmir> hi guys. I'm searching for the parametters of the command newgame, can someone help me? 12:08:32 <Alberth> no idea what you are talking about 12:08:46 <ashmir> rcon pwd newgame a b c d for example 12:08:46 <Alberth> oh in the console perhaps? 12:09:01 <ashmir> but i dont know what's abcd 12:09:04 <ashmir> yes 12:09:50 <Terkhen> ashmir: use "help newgame" 12:10:09 <Alberth> but that just gives a single optional argument 'seed' 12:10:30 <ashmir> yes :/ 12:10:52 <Terkhen> does it have more parameters? 12:10:57 <Alberth> I am guessing that 'rcon' is something else 12:11:04 <Alberth> Terkhen nope 12:11:23 <Terkhen> rcon is used to send commands to the server 12:11:42 <ZirconiumX> r(emote) con(trol) 12:11:44 <Terkhen> but the right syntax is: rcon pwd "newgame a" 12:11:45 <ZirconiumX> rcon 12:12:03 <Alberth> by what? that's what should document the parameters 12:12:37 <ZirconiumX> us 12:12:59 * Terkhen is a bit lost :) 12:13:14 * Alberth gives Terkhen a few bits 12:13:14 <ZirconiumX> PM please explain to Alberth, how openttdcoop uses rcon to create a new game 12:14:19 <ZirconiumX> planetmaker appears to be busy 12:14:20 <Alberth> ok, so it is another console command :p 12:14:46 <Terkhen> yes 12:14:49 <Alberth> well, ashmir, it seems to have only one new parameter, not 4 12:14:54 <Chris_Booth> Alberth !rcon in openttdcoop is a command used to tell autopilot what to do 12:15:06 <Chris_Booth> rcon typed into the game console is different 12:15:06 <ashmir> i used rcon ****** newgame 0 9 9 0 for example, it generate a temperate new game with many towns and industries 12:15:20 <Chris_Booth> and most the commands that the both use are different 12:15:24 <Terkhen> ashmir: newgame has only a single parameter, the seed 12:15:48 <ZirconiumX> maybe 0 means ransom seed 12:15:48 <Terkhen> for configuring the other parts of new game creation you must configure each setting before using newgame 12:15:55 <ZirconiumX> random seed 12:16:06 <Alberth> ashmir: so you use another piece of software with an rcon command; you should ask its author 12:16:28 <ashmir> ok, thank you. 12:16:49 <Alberth> or better, submit a documentation patch to them :) 12:21:06 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:2120:2aa7:7ca2:b9e7] has joined #openttd 12:21:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:24:23 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-64-39.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:25:55 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 12:31:41 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-125-105.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:31:59 <ZirconiumX> Hmmm 12:32:25 <ZirconiumX> Ice cream man must be insane 12:32:43 <ZirconiumX> It's a grey, miserable day, still raining 12:33:18 <ZirconiumX> yet he's out to give ice creams 12:34:26 <__ln__> you mean the day is sunshinely challenged 12:34:45 <ZirconiumX> extremely sunshinely challenged 12:35:22 <ZirconiumX> I bet he's got those rose tinted spectacles on 12:35:45 <Alberth> he's reharsing for tomorrow or monday :) 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[~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:53:59 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 17:54:29 <MNIM> so, it's now 1939 and Im already overloading parts of my double tracked network near my starting cities 17:54:33 <MNIM> hmmmmmmh. 17:54:45 <MNIM> and what's worse - absolutely no space for quad-track 17:57:16 <Terkhen> longer trains? 17:58:40 <MNIM> all passenger trains are five long 17:58:50 <MNIM> no space for longer stations either 17:59:02 <MNIM> this is getting promising for when I reach 2000 18:00:31 <Terkhen> yes, passengers overflow networks quickly :P 18:00:56 <MNIM> so it seems 18:01:18 <Terkhen> I have sometimes played with town growth disabled, so I can control passenger flow a bit better 18:01:23 <Terkhen> but that's "cheating" :P 18:02:13 <MNIM> well, that's an option too, but then other cities won't develop naturally 18:02:32 <MNIM> don't really care about cheating, since Im a sandbox player anyway 18:04:10 <Terkhen> another option is disabling "town build roads"; then towns have a small margin of growth and after that you can build roads for them 18:04:50 <MNIM> yeah, Ive got that already 18:05:15 <MNIM> http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/1/1/2248324/Screens/New%20Handwell%20Co.%2C%2018th%20Jul%201939.png 18:05:25 <MNIM> that's what my main metro zone looks like right now 18:06:02 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.3.84] has joined #openttd 18:06:43 <MNIM> based around a big fjord, with giant 800 pax ferries moving around people to relieve the rail network a bit 18:06:45 * Alberth likes the fake harbours 18:06:52 <MNIM> marico newgrf 18:07:44 <MNIM> you can only build 'em in scedit, and it's got some bugs with building 'em like more scenery stuff does, but it does look pretty neat indeed 18:08:16 <MNIM> hmmmmh 18:08:44 <MNIM> I should build more buses to transfer passengers between those cities too 18:09:18 <Terkhen> the docks looks nice indeed :) 18:09:20 <Terkhen> why only in SE? 18:10:40 <MNIM> dunno, it's scenery like windmills, radio transmitters etc, so maybe they're inherently limited to scedit 18:10:52 <MNIM> http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/1/1/2248324/Screens/New%20Handwell%20Co.%2C%2018th%20Jul%201939%231.png 18:10:55 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d823e2d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 18:10:57 <MNIM> a bit more rural scene. 18:11:09 <MNIM> and if you may feel the urge to ask, yes, I am indeed dutch :P 18:12:36 <MNIM> Not sure how good the load of a heavy train passing at 160kmh is for a sea dike, but oh well :P 18:13:45 <Terkhen> that's a strange limitation IMO; I'm able to build objects in normal games with othet objects NewGRFs 18:13:53 <Alberth> at least the sea level is not rising :p 18:13:58 <Terkhen> and that last link gives "file not found" to me 18:14:14 <MNIM> 0-o 18:14:15 <MNIM> de hell 18:14:19 <MNIM> it does for me too 18:14:44 <MNIM> hmmmmh 18:14:48 <MNIM> wait a second 18:15:31 <MNIM> http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/1/1/2248324/Screens/Polders.png 18:15:35 <MNIM> yeah, this works 18:15:47 <MNIM> I think that was just an ascii code too much or something 18:17:05 * Alberth can place marico objects in a game 18:17:35 <MNIM> 0-o 18:17:43 <MNIM> huh. 18:17:44 <MNIM> oh well 18:18:00 <MNIM> then Ill have to blame it on my misuse of newgrfs 18:18:05 * MNIM shrugs 18:18:13 <MNIM> there are ways around it anyway 18:18:31 <MNIM> since I frequently dive into the scedit to add rivers and make big landscape changes anyway 18:18:32 <Alberth> not really 18:18:32 <Terkhen> strange, I can't :P 18:18:43 <Terkhen> maybe we have an older version 18:19:13 <Alberth> that could be the case, I run (almost) trunk 18:19:41 <MNIM> trunk, as in, latest standard nightlies? 18:20:20 <Terkhen> no, an older version of marico 18:20:31 <MNIM> could be too 18:20:35 <Alberth> usually not, I build directly from the latest svn sources 18:20:40 <MNIM> oh. 18:20:46 <MNIM> yeah, that may be the case, too 18:20:49 <Alberth> Terkhen: also a possible explanation 18:21:17 <MNIM> since mine is the lates stable .deb release if I'm not mistaken 18:21:34 <Terkhen> I downloaded the latest version of marico and I still can't build anything with 1.1.1 18:21:58 <MNIM> 1.1.1-RC1. to be precisew 18:22:02 <MNIM> *precise 18:22:30 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/marico.grf 18:24:10 <Terkhen> heh, I can't even build anything on the SE :P 18:24:40 * MNIM makes preemptive save 18:24:42 <Alberth> good, less distraction :p 18:25:46 <MNIM> to whom, alberth? 18:25:48 <MNIM> 0-o 18:25:53 <Alberth> to Terkhen 18:25:58 <MNIM> ah, lol 18:26:00 <MNIM> well 18:26:09 * Terkhen goes back to writing documentation :P 18:26:14 <MNIM> to me ottd is a wayyyy to big distraction already anyway 18:26:24 <Terkhen> I should delete the binaries I have around too 18:26:27 <MNIM> and my add does not exactly help :P 18:27:08 <MNIM> hmmmh, odd, newgrf settings does not see the new file, even after rescanning 18:27:26 <Alberth> my file? 18:27:46 <Alberth> it hides older versions I think 18:27:54 <MNIM> so it seems 18:28:02 <Terkhen> Alberth's file is identical to the one I had 18:28:21 <MNIM> I renamed the new file to marico2.grf 18:28:46 <MNIM> and now it automatically loads marico2.grf, even though I made no changes in newgrf settings 18:28:49 <Alberth> so I am up to date :) 18:29:12 <MNIM> I take it ottd does not handle newgrfs by filename 18:29:30 <Terkhen> regarding savegames it uses the GRFID 18:29:31 <MNIM> whelp, yeah 18:29:42 <MNIM> now I can build in-game indeed 18:29:49 <Alberth> and md5 checksum 18:30:11 <Terkhen> strange :O 18:30:32 <MNIM> don't think I see new features though, so it does not look like an incredibly big jump in versions 18:30:59 <Alberth> I don't know, I just pulled a random version for testing 18:31:10 <MNIM> lol 18:31:12 <Terkhen> I don't remember any recent updates 18:31:18 <Alberth> (while hacking the newgrf object gui 18:31:33 <MNIM> oh, hacky hacky! 18:32:43 *** 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I always get lost with anything > 512*512 :) 18:39:17 <MNIM> rotterdam - france and such 18:39:29 <MNIM> I use flags for general areas 18:40:32 <MNIM> also, I use space I don't use (yet) as practice space for junctions and stations 18:42:49 <MNIM> hmmmmh 18:43:04 <MNIM> how far are the people working on realistic breakdowns? 18:43:33 <MNIM> it's really annoying that a train with four locs still completely breaks down as often as trains with only one 18:44:25 <supermop> In locomotion it would have broken down four times as often 18:45:58 *** ashmir [b221ff31@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:47:02 <MNIM> ouch 18:47:48 <MNIM> well, if that four times as often meant that only one lock broke down with a horsepower+torque penalty, yes please 18:47:54 <MNIM> but not a complete standstill! 18:49:18 <MNIM> oh, no wonder their efficiency dropped 18:49:28 <MNIM> I forgot some advanced settings >. 18:51:47 <supermop> it was awful for trains of multiple units, 18:52:05 <supermop> as you had to manually pick up a train to replace it when it was old, 18:52:21 <supermop> and you had to stop the train to pick it up 18:52:45 <supermop> but you coulding stop a running train if it (or any part of its consist) was broken down, 18:53:02 <MNIM> ouch 18:53:05 <MNIM> hmmmh 18:53:28 <supermop> so if you let a train get to about 70-80% of its expected life by accident, 18:53:38 <MNIM> I should stop ottd-ing now and make food 18:53:55 <supermop> you would be stuck with it crawling around at about 5 mph forever 18:54:17 <supermop> as each unit brokedown as soon as, or before the last was fixed 18:54:43 <supermop> pretty much the only solution was to crash it RCT style 18:55:37 <andythenorth> sounds like US railroading in the 70s 18:55:45 <andythenorth> 10 units on a train 18:55:48 <andythenorth> only 2 are online :P 19:02:13 <supermop> haha 19:04:52 <andythenorth> NewBreakdowns :p 19:07:15 <MNIM> is it working properly yet? 19:14:14 <supermop> what are you working on these days Andy? 19:14:43 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.180.104] has joined #openttd 19:16:27 <andythenorth> FIRS 19:17:29 <supermop> nice 19:27:38 <Alberth> playing a test-game, or painting snow pixels? 19:33:35 <andythenorth> painting 19:34:53 <supermop> neat 19:35:19 <supermop> i'm not sure if I've really played at all in 2011 yet 19:38:02 <supermop> been too frustrated with map generation 19:40:12 <Alberth> supermop: andy needs test players ;) 19:43:37 <supermop> hmm 19:43:54 <supermop> I could make another map by hand 19:44:48 <supermop> any one have a suggestion for getting a steady shot for a ~90 minute continuous video take out of a train window 19:44:49 *** whoatemyirc [~kieszej@89-76-52-26.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:45:19 <supermop> ? 19:45:49 * MNIM burps 19:45:52 <MNIM> oops 19:45:54 <MNIM> my fault 19:45:57 <MNIM> I was hungry 19:46:23 *** whoatemyirc [~kieszej@89-76-52-26.dynamic.chello.pl] has left #openttd [] 19:46:56 <andythenorth> supermop: http://www.amazon.com/SLIK-TRIPODS-MINI-Mini-Tripod/dp/B00006HOKV 19:46:59 <andythenorth> approximately 19:47:21 <andythenorth> you'd need a table seat 19:47:37 <andythenorth> you'll likely get some vibration, but it's the best way 19:48:46 <supermop> no tables on NJT 19:48:48 <andythenorth> http://www.steadicam.com/handheldSteadicamJR.html 19:49:05 <supermop> strictly packed in commuter seats 19:49:41 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.180.104] has quit [Quit: night] 19:49:42 <supermop> bombardier bi-levels, old comets, or even older Budd EMUs 19:50:00 <supermop> i can get a window sill though 19:50:21 <supermop> haha 19:50:33 <supermop> i think the steadycam would get me some wierd looks 19:51:25 <supermop> ws thinking one of those squishy beanbag tripods could be good, as the sill is sloped, and it might dampen some vibration 20:10:35 <supermop> maybe a lump of plasticine with a set screw in it 20:18:48 <planetmaker> wow... translators are also lazy, eh? 20:20:55 <Alberth> perhaps we should rename some random strings :p 20:21:16 <planetmaker> :-P 20:22:06 *** amkoroew [~matze@p5B107ED8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:24:16 *** Oliver_ [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:24:22 <Oliver_> What irc server is this? 20:24:56 <planetmaker> erm? 20:25:12 <Alberth> one of oftc,net 20:25:15 <Oliver_> is in the webirc, couldnt se what irc server its on 20:25:45 <planetmaker> aye 20:25:48 <planetmaker> :-) 20:25:59 <Alberth> these things live in just one server? 20:26:32 <Oliver_> Se if i add it to my mirc settings when i have time 20:26:41 <Oliver_> miht be intresting channel to be in 20:27:12 <Terkhen> Oliver_: irc.oftc.net IIRC 20:27:56 <Oliver_> Btw, for the osx version, do i need to download all music gfx and just add the folders to the gamefolder? 20:28:44 <planetmaker> the onlything strictly needed are the game graphics 20:28:54 <planetmaker> which go into ~/Documents/OpenTTD/data 20:29:03 <planetmaker> the rest then can be obtained via ingame content download 20:29:09 <planetmaker> including sound and music set(s) 20:29:22 <Oliver_> cant open the game in osx it says it need graphic 20:29:28 <planetmaker> yes :-) 20:29:35 <planetmaker> [22:30] planetmaker the onlything strictly needed are the game graphics 20:29:49 <planetmaker> get them from http://www.openttd.org/download-opengfx 20:31:07 <Ammler> maybe osx version should include opengfx in the bundle 20:32:21 <planetmaker> we first need a working CF for OSX again 20:32:28 <Ammler> ah ok :-) 20:32:50 <Ammler> did that not survive the migration? 20:32:54 *** Oliver_ [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:33:09 <planetmaker> nope :-( 20:34:00 <Ammler> then you should again think about macports :-P 20:34:06 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-105-81.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:36:37 <Alberth> good night 20:37:04 <planetmaker> g'night Alberth 20:37:14 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:40:15 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-23-181.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:32 *** k^^ [~k^^@users192.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep] 20:51:35 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:24 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 20:53:18 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:30 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:01:31 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.3.84] has quit [Quit: Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org] 21:13:43 *** zachanim1 [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 21:13:51 *** zachanima [~zach@2506ds3-od.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:10 <Rubidium> Ammler: no, it should have an installer 21:31:42 <Rubidium> and first the CF needs to work properly again at all before I'm going to waste time on OSX; maybe by that time OSX works properly in Xen 21:40:05 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41:47 *** pikka [~yaaic@120.17.3.84] has joined #openttd 21:41:57 <pikka> ew 21:52:40 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 21:55:14 <andythenorth> ew? 21:57:37 <pikka> largely 21:58:04 <pikka> seen any orudge this morning? 21:58:51 <andythenorth> not so much no 22:01:51 *** amkoroew [~matze@p5B107ED8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:02:38 *** luckz [~lkz@luckz.de] has joined #openttd 22:03:23 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-84-118.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:05:11 <pikka> perhaps he is sleeping still 22:05:40 <pikka> oh well, I'll wander 22:06:06 * andythenorth will go to bed 22:06:19 <andythenorth> good night 22:06:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 22:07:29 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:12:27 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 22:18:50 <Terkhen> good night 22:25:40 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:25:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host232-239-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:31:09 *** Pixa [~Pixa@85.210.79.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:34:36 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:34:46 *** Vadtec_ [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has joined #openttd 22:42:38 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:42:50 *** Lyzio [lyzio@92-32-29-237.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:51 <Lyzio> Evening folks 22:45:22 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.68] has joined #openttd 22:46:02 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 22:47:10 *** Intexon_ [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [] 22:52:42 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 22:52:49 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:29 *** Vadtec_ [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:29 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Quit: The Third Tiberium War - http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-third-tiberium-war] 22:55:48 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-185-235.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... 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