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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 07:01:44 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@marvin-18-230.cnt.nerim.net] has joined #openttd 07:02:54 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 07:08:29 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-017-219.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:27:25 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B72AA8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:29:54 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-088-076-105-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:33:20 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-200-059.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:33:23 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:33:53 <andythenorth> morninl 07:38:38 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:41:36 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 07:56:18 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 07:59:30 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC57D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:12:09 <planetmaker> moin 08:12:10 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I rather expected that reaction... as much as I don't understand it. 08:15:15 <planetmaker> sad to hear 08:15:40 <planetmaker> but it follows the "line" of not caring about inter-operability 08:17:59 <planetmaker> are we member of the AEIF? ;-) 08:18:17 <Eddi|zuHause> the what? 08:30:24 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 08:30:29 <andythenorth> wtf google? 08:38:21 <Terkhen> European Association for Railway Interoperability? 08:39:06 <andythenorth> yes, but what's happened to google more importantly? 08:41:46 <Terkhen> works fine for me 08:42:00 <andythenorth> appearance has changed 08:42:07 <andythenorth> looks like something I'd design :P 08:42:13 <Terkhen> oh, that 08:42:22 * Terkhen does not like that 08:42:31 <andythenorth> I don't mind it :) 08:42:40 <andythenorth> but it's not the classic google 08:42:46 <Terkhen> I'm too used to the plain old google page, yes 08:42:57 <Terkhen> that instant search thing is already annoying enough 08:46:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see anything different about google 08:47:05 <andythenorth> maybe it's region specific 08:48:56 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:51:50 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 08:58:09 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-017-219.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 09:09:21 *** Amis [~Amis@mail.paks.hu] has joined #openttd 09:23:42 *** amkoroew [~matze@p5B106D0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:37:58 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFDA69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:41:50 <andythenorth> hmm 09:41:59 <andythenorth> original TTD depots don't have snow support 09:42:01 <andythenorth> lame 09:43:24 *** DayDreamer [~PouzarA@80.95.101.194] has joined #openttd 09:43:29 *** DayDreamer [~PouzarA@80.95.101.194] has left #openttd [] 09:46:36 <andythenorth> hmm 09:46:42 <andythenorth> so I shouldn't draw snow on hot things? 09:47:09 <andythenorth> so no snow on roof of aluminium plant, steel mill, forge, lime kiln, biorefinery, cement plant 09:48:39 <Ammler> andythenorth: realism sucks 09:48:51 <andythenorth> not according to the users 09:48:57 <Ammler> users sucks 09:50:15 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: depends on how good the heat isolation of the roof is 09:50:26 <andythenorth> sounds like realism :P 09:50:33 <andythenorth> how good is the heat isolation of 1 pixel? 09:50:41 <andythenorth> does it depend on the manufacturer of your screen? 09:50:42 <Eddi|zuHause> high :p 09:50:47 <andythenorth> and if you have crt of lcd / tft? 09:50:53 <andythenorth> of / or 09:51:33 <Eddi|zuHause> the best one has a CRT TV. it has lots of snow 09:51:52 <andythenorth> so we need to extend nfo 09:52:00 <andythenorth> cb 17D: check type of users display 09:52:18 <andythenorth> I will need to draw 8 levels of snow, from none-lots 09:52:21 <andythenorth> and display accordingly 09:52:25 <andythenorth> all possible I'm sure 09:52:39 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:43 <andythenorth> Ammler: could you post your helpful 'realism sucks' principle in the FIRS thread? :P 09:54:16 <Ammler> :-) 09:56:10 <Ammler> andythenorth: people just lack of creativity, like with direction of light or wind 10:09:55 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:16:42 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:20:42 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:20:54 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 10:41:22 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: any suggestion then about the track types or do we then just go for your suggested set of tracks - after all DB* sets take longer than DNF to releases ;-) 10:43:40 <Ammler> can't you use nutracks? 10:44:29 <Ammler> ah no, nml 10:45:40 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1D4C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:47:23 <michi_cc> planetmaker: Deciding on track types makes only sense after the whole core engine list is finished (including SBB/ÃBB and whatever else initially should be there) so we know which axle weights make sense. 10:47:37 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-146-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC41.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:14 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 10:49:17 <planetmaker> michi_cc: somewhat. Though I even think it need not be necessarily one track set 10:49:41 <planetmaker> After all we're going to test for availability of track types anyway ... so it'll be quite compatible 10:50:06 <Eddi|zuHause> the intention of my schema was that one can more easily pick out which of the railtypes to take and which to leave out 10:50:27 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-088-076-105-199.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:09 <planetmaker> yes, exactly 10:52:10 <Eddi|zuHause> we don't need MB's approval at all 10:53:03 <michi_cc> Looking at the current DB timeline, a usable scheme would be A, B, Be, D, De, De-highspeed. Track type C instead of D would mean introducing highspeed already in 1957, because that's the first engine with >20t axle weight. 10:53:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:53:29 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: no, of course not. But it would have been nice to at least agree on a tracks 10:54:05 <planetmaker> because having zillions of nearly identical track type labels is eventually going to defy the purpose of the whole idea 10:54:05 <michi_cc> If it's only about the labels, Eddi's scheme is totally okay. We can always have a fallback to mb's labels. 10:54:25 <Eddi|zuHause> yep 10:54:53 <Eddi|zuHause> then the only problem is a future dbset wouldn't work with our track set 10:54:57 <planetmaker> yes, we can. As said, I'm in this context mostly concerned about needless introduction of nearly identical labels. Which makes in needlessly complicated in the future 10:55:09 <planetmaker> Like stupid trpical wood vs. wood cargo labels 10:55:13 <michi_cc> The current labels of DBrails only say low axle weight, high axle weight, which is not very specific. 10:55:13 <Ammler> does DB/Germany have narrow gauge? 10:55:21 <planetmaker> yes 10:55:36 <planetmaker> OHE for example and the Harzer Schmalspurbahn 10:55:43 <planetmaker> though they might not exactly be DB 10:55:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: in east germany a bit more than in west germany 10:55:59 <Eddi|zuHause> saxony has an extensive 750mm network 10:56:04 <michi_cc> We could have our track set detect DBSet and then provide the matching labels for compatibility. 10:56:07 <Ammler> we have lots of them and some are connected to city tram lines 10:56:25 <Eddi|zuHause> the Harzquerbahn/Selketalbahn is 1000mm 10:56:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and on RÃŒgen there's also a network, but i'm not sure if it's 1000mm 10:58:10 <Ammler> do you plan to support narrow gauge? 10:58:47 <Eddi|zuHause> no plan yet, but an option 11:00:15 <planetmaker> IMHO if that's supported, only as an option, not as default. 11:00:21 <planetmaker> Similar to the epochs / regions 11:01:16 <michi_cc> Narrow gauge could even be a separate NewGRF, there's no need to put all into a single file. 11:01:40 <Eddi|zuHause> narrow gauge has a problem of justifying its existence in the game. what is the advantage over standard gauge? 11:02:04 <Eddi|zuHause> could do it as tram 11:02:30 <planetmaker> quite right. It could be completely separate 11:02:58 <planetmaker> probably even should. Those engines cannot mix anyway 11:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause> CENS - Central European Narrowgauge Set 11:03:33 <michi_cc> Right now: nothing. But I'm thinking about a) extending the NewGRF curve speed limit control so that narrow gauge can have a higher curve speed limit than default and standard gauge a lower curve speed limit (and highspeed maybe an even lower limit), and b) infrastructure maintenance 11:03:45 <planetmaker> CNES :-P 11:04:40 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: that only works if curve limits are really low. as narrow gauge doesn't usually have high speed anyway 11:06:25 <Eddi|zuHause> 2x45° with 1 diagonal rail: 15km/h, 2x45° with 3 diagonal: 30km/h, and so on 11:09:00 <Ammler> I would wait for roadtypes ;-) 11:11:39 <michi_cc> Curve limits could be lower IMHO, even a curve with just 1 diagonal rail is already 88 km/h (or even higher per NewGRF control), which e.g. for CETS means that the only prussian engines where curve speeds matter at all are the S engines, everything else is below 88 km/h anyway. 11:13:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.180.158] has joined #openttd 11:13:26 <michi_cc> Does anyone know if any of the existing railtype GRFs is using prop 11 (curve speed advantage)? 11:14:19 <Eddi|zuHause> narrow gauge could benefit from being a road/rail hybrid, i.e. being tram in cities (able to run along roads) and being rails outside cities (diagonal rails, etc.) 11:15:36 <Eddi|zuHause> one thing that's especially silly with curve speeds is that they depend on train length 11:15:46 <michi_cc> Bah, Nutracks does, which doesn't make it easier. 11:16:30 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 11:17:26 <Eddi|zuHause> that's always a problem with changing a "grown" spec :) 11:17:51 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: but you can change that by at least the vehicle properties ("Tilt") 11:18:08 <planetmaker> and possibly by means of the railtype, too. I haven't looked at that for a bit 11:19:37 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.187.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:42 <michi_cc> Prop 11 right now is quite useless because it is very coarse and doesn't allow decreasing at all. Decreasing is easy, just interpret it as a signed byte, but can still only change it in increments of 50% of the base curve speed. 11:28:38 *** Intexon [~Intexon@blk-222-147-135.eastlink.ca] has joined #openttd 11:44:05 <Eddi|zuHause> proposal: set an explicit speed for one of the short curves, and then a linear factor how the longer curves behave in relation to that 11:51:48 <Eddi|zuHause> (linear factor may be fixed-point, e.g. 0x08 => *1.5, 0x10 => *2, 0x18 => *2.5, 0x20 => *3) 11:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause> something's not quite right there yet 11:56:57 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has joined #openttd 11:59:09 <Moustachio> Huh. 11:59:13 *** Moustachio is now known as MNIM 11:59:14 <MNIM> better. 12:05:09 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@86.92.135.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:21 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: That could work. I have to check out the curve speed calculation in OTTD first though, not sure how the speed is done currently. 12:10:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i've looked at that code once. was pure magic 12:12:33 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:12:35 *** DJNekkid [~djnekkid@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: bye - http://www.openttdcoop.org] 12:12:40 *** V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: You must construct additional PYLONS to get me back!] 12:13:13 *** avdg [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:13:13 *** DJNekkid [~djnekkid@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:13:43 *** V453000 [~V453000@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:14:49 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ec19:6b0e:7d2f:b3b6] has joined #openttd 12:14:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:15:06 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15:45 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15:46 *** heffer [~felix@hyperion.fetzig.org] has joined #openttd 12:20:32 *** Markk [~mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd 12:26:58 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-017-219.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:52 *** Absolutis [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:38:12 *** sliddy [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 12:38:12 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:07 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFDA69.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:41:41 *** sliddy [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41:59 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 12:46:32 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 13:00:07 *** Absolutis [~0a0a6567@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:46 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:52 <MNIM> Eddi|zuHause: pure magic as "WOAH WTF AWESOME" or "WTF is happening here?" 13:29:48 *** sliddy [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 13:30:04 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30:27 <Eddi|zuHause> MNIM: http://www.retrologic.com/jargon/M/magic.html <- meaning 2. 13:38:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:42:11 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.152.166.171] has joined #openttd 13:42:22 <andythenorth> meh 13:46:17 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF384.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:45 <planetmaker> muh! 13:47:48 <andythenorth> mah 13:47:55 <Eddi|zuHause> wau 13:47:58 <planetmaker> miau 13:48:40 <andythenorth> about settings 13:48:47 <andythenorth> I don't like them 13:48:51 <andythenorth> perhaps they could be better 13:48:58 <Eddi|zuHause> combo breaker! 13:49:18 <planetmaker> andythenorth: just as you wrote: I think we agree on the 'could be better' part ;-) 13:49:48 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.152.166.171] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 13:51:09 <andythenorth> we should do something about it 13:51:14 <andythenorth> I would suggest a 'big change' 13:51:23 <andythenorth> then everyone will all be pissed off at once 13:51:32 <andythenorth> incremental stuff will lead to months of whining 13:51:38 <andythenorth> and the possibility of reverting 13:51:46 <andythenorth> whereas a big change is so big that revert is out of the question 13:53:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i think everybody agrees that "something" needs to be done 13:53:45 <Eddi|zuHause> this is totally not the point. the question is *WHAT* should be done? 13:58:47 <__ln__> what's with the settings? 13:59:37 <Eddi|zuHause> they are unweildy, too many, not very well explained, ... 14:03:38 *** Amis [~Amis@mail.paks.hu] has quit [Quit: *pop*] 14:03:55 <__ln__> oh, that 14:06:06 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 14:06:44 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:08:39 <andythenorth> we need to stop talking about settings and stop patching :P 14:09:15 <andythenorth> unrelated - I am working on other apps at the moment. I'd say spec is worth 20% at best, prototyping is worth 80% :P 14:09:51 <andythenorth> planetmaker: do you want to pick up the gui project again? 14:10:03 <andythenorth> most of my newgrfs are stalled due to boredom, or waiting on other stuff.... 14:10:29 <andythenorth> FISH is stuck because I'm sick of drawing boats, and DanMacK has lost his love of spriting 14:10:36 <andythenorth> FIRS awaits nml conversion 14:10:40 <andythenorth> HEQS is done 14:11:09 *** caramida [~ionica@89.32.132.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:01 *** sliddy [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:13 <MNIM> a bit of both, then, I suppose 14:22:29 *** Chris_Booth_ [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:24:04 *** MNIM [~LiesLies@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:36 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-146-197.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:46 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@cpc7-newt30-2-0-cust37.newt.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:56 *** Chris_Booth_ is now known as Chris_Booth 14:28:39 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29:31 <planetmaker> andythenorth: in principle yes. But I fear I won't have the time in the next weeks to really get such thing off the ground 14:29:44 <planetmaker> so not before end of the year from my part, I fear 14:29:45 <andythenorth> :( 14:29:50 <andythenorth> :) 14:30:52 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:09 <lugo> that would have been a nice tread for the bipolar smilie :): 14:32:24 <planetmaker> before that I guess I should (yet again) rework my gridlines-as-gui-option patch queue ;-) 14:36:28 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 14:45:12 <Scuddles> When did DanMacK 14:45:32 * andythenorth assumes there is more question coming 14:45:43 <Scuddles> Sorry, there wasn't D: 15:00:29 *** Amis [~Amis@dsl51B6559C.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:03:15 *** sliddy [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 15:03:16 *** sllide [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:04 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-220-143-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@78-80-200-5.tmcz.cz] has joined #openttd 15:36:59 *** rasco [rasco@tietos.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:30 *** keky___ [~stefan@p5098b65a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:49:51 *** sliddy [~jari@ip565eb113.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:32 *** rasco [rasco@tietos.com] has joined #openttd 15:53:59 *** amkoroew [~matze@p5B106D0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:53:59 *** rasco [rasco@tietos.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:48 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:14:19 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@marvin-18-230.cnt.nerim.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:25 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC57D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 16:25:35 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e049532.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:28:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:30:52 *** ar3k [~ident@ecv113.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 16:38:11 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ect207.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:14 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has joined #openttd 16:56:31 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.A98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:17:21 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@ris91-2-82-227-26-30.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:31 *** ashledombos [~ashledomb@ris91-2-82-227-26-30.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0083dc.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:32 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host1-162-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:40:16 *** goblin [~goblin@dslb-092-074-194-242.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:41:48 <Wolf01> hello 17:46:48 <andythenorth> hello 17:47:07 <Wolf01> uh, do I ping 5 minutes now? 17:47:29 * andythenorth went to the shop 17:50:11 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:18 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:53:24 <planetmaker> pong @ Wolf01 ;-) 17:56:02 *** supermop__ [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:56:25 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sirius.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:56:56 <Rubidium> pang! ;) 17:59:08 <supermop__> num pang 17:59:13 *** supermop__ is now known as supermop 17:59:45 *** keky___ [~stefan@p5098b65a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:09:27 *** Pixa [~Pixa@79-74-239-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:13:35 *** Scuddles [~notme@cm54.epsilon82.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 18:53:04 * andythenorth considers replacing FIRS glass works with TTD original printing works 18:54:17 <andythenorth> hmm 18:54:26 <andythenorth> I could repaint the opengfx version 18:54:30 <andythenorth> two birds, one stone 19:02:59 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:09:21 <supermop> wait, why? 19:13:03 <andythenorth> why? 19:13:07 <andythenorth> why not? 19:14:10 <andythenorth> FIRS glass works does suck a lot 19:21:55 *** JVassie [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 19:33:59 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest340 19:33:59 *** Guest340 [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:34:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 19:35:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:36:36 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 19:41:23 *** DDR [~DDR@66.183.113.68] has joined #openttd 19:41:37 *** pugi [~pugi@p4FCC57D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:45:05 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p579D668C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:08 *** Wolfsherz [~Wolfsherz@p579D668C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 19:49:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D4C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:06 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:50:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.180.158] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:51:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.180.158] has joined #openttd 19:56:20 <andythenorth> planetmaker: interested in a printing works replacement? :) 19:56:20 <andythenorth> http://tt-foundry.com/misc/new_glass_works.png 20:00:22 <Prof_Frink> Smashing. 20:00:30 <andythenorth> ain't done yet ;) 20:00:46 <andythenorth> that one would compress into about 16 colours currently :P 20:02:14 <Ammler> you don't like the ogfx version? 20:02:49 <andythenorth> you want me to answer that honestly, or diplomatically? 20:03:08 <Ammler> not at all, I guess :-P 20:03:55 <andythenorth> it's not nice to criticise other people's art :) 20:04:18 <andythenorth> when my work is criticised, it makes me more sad than it should, if I was being rational 20:04:21 <Ammler> I don't think, you would hurt zyph 20:04:45 <andythenorth> although criticism does make me work harder sometimes 20:05:03 <Ammler> you critism yourself the most :-P 20:05:33 <andythenorth> arp 20:13:27 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host36-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:13:27 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest349 20:13:27 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 20:13:30 *** LordPixaII [~Pixa@85.210.77.241] has joined #openttd 20:18:04 *** Amis [~Amis@dsl51B6559C.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: *pop*] 20:18:30 *** Pixa [~Pixa@79-74-239-20.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:18:45 *** Guest349 [~wolf01@host1-162-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 20:42:33 <frosch123> night 20:42:37 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0083dc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:40 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:18 <V453000> andythenorth: just dont make FIRS look like opengfx please :) 20:57:31 <andythenorth> ok 20:57:41 <andythenorth> a user request I can happily meet 20:57:43 <andythenorth> ;) 20:57:49 <V453000> :P 21:00:22 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host199-20-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:00:22 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest355 21:00:23 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 21:02:51 <andythenorth> compare & contrast: http://tt-foundry.com/misc/new_glass_works_2.png 21:03:57 <Ammler> andythenorth: V453000 has no clu 21:04:04 <Ammler> don't listen to beer 21:04:37 <XeryusTC2> instead listen to the voice of reason: Ammler! 21:05:01 <V453000> andythenorth: I guess we can agree which one is better :P 21:05:10 <andythenorth> which one? :P 21:05:14 <Ammler> ah, say hi to most used highlight :-P 21:05:38 <V453000> the not-opengfx one of course :P 21:05:52 <andythenorth> are you sure that's not beer talking? 21:05:59 <V453000> quite 21:06:06 *** Guest355 [~wolf01@host36-194-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:06:20 <Ammler> he can't talk without 21:08:50 * andythenorth is not going to repaint whole of opengfx :P 21:10:07 <Ammler> your sprites are too good for ogfx 21:11:24 <Ammler> then we couldn't have those nice talks anymore, which base graphics are nicer :-) 21:13:44 <andythenorth> hmm 21:13:51 <andythenorth> I could probably redraw some part of opengfx 21:18:34 <andythenorth> how do I get latest opengfx? 21:18:41 *** JVassie_ [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 21:23:05 *** JVassie [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:18 <andythenorth> opengfx isn't on bananas? 21:25:25 <Ammler> andythenorth: as the master of the devzone, you do not really ask that? 21:25:42 <andythenorth> I can compile the checkout I have 21:25:48 <andythenorth> I just wondered how other people would get it 21:25:51 <Ammler> it is also on bananas 21:26:08 <Ammler> or as distro package on linux or via windows installer 21:26:16 <Ammler> just osx user have troubles 21:26:36 <andythenorth> ok I find it 21:26:44 <andythenorth> I was looking in wrong bananas 21:26:57 <Ammler> yeah, it isn't a newgrf :-P 21:35:26 <andythenorth> oops :m 21:37:36 <andythenorth> night 21:37:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc18-aztw25-2-0-cust185.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:49:05 *** JVassie_ [~James@host-92-27-149-231.static.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:57:00 <Terkhen> good night 22:00:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198AD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:30 *** LordPixaII [~Pixa@85.210.77.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:59 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.85.169] has joined #openttd 22:08:05 *** lord-carlos [~carlos@ip-21-64.bnaa.dk] has joined #openttd 22:08:14 <lord-carlos> Hi 22:08:52 <lord-carlos> how can i connect two towns by bus? 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