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You're sure you spellt your login correctly with the correct capitalization? 07:19:19 <planetmaker> when you tried to login? 07:22:08 <phatmatt> i'll try again, but pretty sure I did 07:23:57 <planetmaker> hm... maybe it's indeed stored somewhere entirely different when it's from the pre-merge. 07:24:11 <planetmaker> I'm afraid I don't find it with captal I either 07:24:14 <phatmatt> if it's a hassle don't worry, i'll just make a new one 07:24:18 <phatmatt> ok, np 07:24:52 <planetmaker> ok :-) 07:25:31 <phatmatt> thanks for looking into it, at least now i get a fancy pants unified login account 07:28:58 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:32:27 <planetmaker> hehe :-) 07:34:35 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest4810 07:34:36 *** Guest4810 [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:34:36 *** andythenorth 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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2022322/The-massive-European-network-Stone-Age-tunnels-weaves-Scotland-Turkey.html 09:10:26 <__ln__> that doesn't make any sense 09:11:42 <andythenorth> the domain name tells me that much 09:12:23 <andythenorth> your comment is a tautology, given the domain name 09:12:29 <andythenorth> it would hold for any story on that domain 09:50:40 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08223c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:54:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:28:25 *** Zeknurn [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:30:33 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-141-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:15 *** Zeknurn [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 10:37:53 *** phatmatt [~a@121.98.179.21] has quit [] 10:38:09 *** a1270 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has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:55 <andythenorth> hola 12:33:48 <andythenorth> hmm 12:33:49 <andythenorth> e 12:34:06 <andythenorth> every time I ask for multi-stop docks, they probably get less likely :P 12:36:48 <Hirundo> you mean docks with a state machine, like airports, or multiple docks per station like current road stops? 12:38:04 <planetmaker> both ;-) 12:38:41 <planetmaker> The "best" solution probably would be to have docks which define the adjacent tiles where ships can dock 12:39:21 <andythenorth> 'someone' was threatening to do multi-stop like current road stops 12:39:27 <andythenorth> probably with 3 per dock 12:39:33 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i don't think that's a good solution at all. any change to that will block introduction of statemachines later 12:39:40 <andythenorth> add permit multiple docks per station 12:39:50 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause was multi-stop you, or mr 1138? 12:39:54 <andythenorth> one of you suggested it 12:39:58 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, but... do we want / need state machines for ports? 12:40:07 <andythenorth> yes 12:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause> suggest, yes... implement? no :p 12:40:15 <planetmaker> :-D 12:40:17 <andythenorth> planetmaker: in the far distant future 12:40:32 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i'm pretty sure we do want that 12:40:34 <andythenorth> new_whatever_ports_is_called is a utopian vision 12:40:50 <andythenorth> we may not get there, but the journey alone might be interesting :P 12:44:45 <andythenorth> grrr 12:44:49 <andythenorth> why do I read forums? 12:44:55 <andythenorth> rage probably shortens my life 12:47:14 <Eddi|zuHause> don't ever read this forum then: :p http://www.tt-ms.de/forum/attachment.php?aid=4236 12:47:36 <planetmaker> :-O 12:48:03 <planetmaker> that *might* shorten life even more 12:49:30 <Hirundo> huh :o how did that happen? 12:50:07 <andythenorth> he 12:50:19 <andythenorth> stalled on a gradient? 12:50:27 <andythenorth> wheelslip limiter didn't kick in apparently 12:50:51 <andythenorth> hmm 12:51:26 <peter1138> crazy 12:51:42 <dihedral> yes you are ^^ 12:51:50 * andythenorth ponders 12:53:51 <andythenorth> hmm 12:53:58 <andythenorth> thought I'd better lay down some facts: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=962409#p962409 12:56:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03:51 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 13:05:39 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:08:02 <planetmaker> hm, coffee, tea or cookie, andythenorth ? ;-) 13:08:16 <andythenorth> tea 13:08:18 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:09:10 <planetmaker> that's perfect. I just happend to make some new one :-) 13:10:20 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e090e25.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:11:47 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 13:18:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it's cool that nml gives the actual file as error location, but it misses the "included from <x>" part 13:20:33 <Hirundo> Is it possible to deduce that info from the CPP output? 13:20:51 <Rubidium> it probablyis 13:21:37 <Rubidium> it adds filenames and offsets in some format to the files 13:21:49 <Rubidium> so from that data it ought to be possible to deduce a 'trace' 13:22:21 <Eddi|zuHause> gcc must do that somehow... 13:22:34 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 13:23:28 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:00 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:25:14 <Hirundo> At a quick glance it seems indeed possible, but I don't have time to look into it right now 13:25:31 <Hirundo> Could you file a feature request at the NML issue tracker? 13:26:40 <Eddi|zuHause> have a link? 13:27:34 <Hirundo> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/nml/issues 13:32:30 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 13:32:38 *** Sacro_ [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:22 *** douknoukem [~KEM@78.166.118.29] has joined #openttd 13:50:26 *** hagbrain [~Hag@p548F4C7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:06 *** hagbrain [~Hag@p548F4C7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 13:55:47 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:00:58 <andythenorth> bbl 14:00:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:04:04 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 14:12:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:17:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:25:50 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 14:29:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:56:23 *** Endymion_Mallorn [~pplgoldbl@ool-3f8fd212.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #openttd 14:57:41 *** Endymion_Mallorn [~pplgoldbl@ool-3f8fd212.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 15:03:58 *** phatmatt [~a@121.98.179.21] has left #openttd [] 15:19:54 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:48 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.209.129] has joined #openttd 15:34:47 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:18 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 16:15:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe0b0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:31 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:23:01 <frosch123> is anyone in here running a tiling window manager? 16:23:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6C234.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:24:07 <blathijs> frosch123: Yes 16:24:12 <blathijs> (awesome) 16:24:21 <frosch123> i consider using one too 16:24:41 <frosch123> which one is the "default" debian one? 16:25:18 <frosch123> "default" as in most-likely integrated with other stuff 16:26:10 <frosch123> best-maintained or simliar 16:26:17 <blathijs> Not sure, awesome works for me rather well 16:26:38 <blathijs> though I use it without the GNOME taskbar and menu stuff 16:27:29 <Ammler> is awesome the wm for gnome? 16:34:31 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:35:58 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 16:45:09 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.73.65] has quit [Quit: Bjebjebje, that is all focks!] 16:45:13 *** TrueBrain [~patric@145.118.73.65] has joined #openttd 16:45:38 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-020-210.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:53 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-043-094.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:57:55 *** Luigivok [~luis@186.188.3.197] has joined #openttd 17:02:41 *** Juo [~Juo@87.194.64.202] has quit [Quit: Juo] 17:06:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@188.220.91.30] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:10:58 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:50 *** lugo [~lugo@mgdb-4db8ce32.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:32 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:33:32 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:39:18 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:39:40 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:56 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r22720 /trunk/src/lang/ (brazilian_portuguese.txt hebrew.txt spanish.txt): 17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: hebrew - 8 changes by rril 17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 11 changes by Tucalipe 17:45:34 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: spanish - 2 changes by lpenap 17:54:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:02:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:04:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 18:09:37 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 18:11:10 <Alberth> is Action14 documentation ( http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action14 ) incorrect? It says <identifier> 4*B after action 14, but the examples show an extra byte in-between 18:11:55 <Alberth> back in 30 minutes 18:13:13 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@client-86-31-2-201.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:13:18 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has left #openttd [] 18:15:55 <michi_cc> Alberth: Don't confuse the table explaining the parts with the actual syntax printed above. 18:17:37 *** a1270 [~a1270@72-24-233-98.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:36:23 *** Chris_Booth[ph]_ [~chrisboot@89.192.68.64] has joined #openttd 18:38:16 *** Chris_Booth[ph]_ [~chrisboot@89.192.68.64] has quit [] 18:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth/michi_cc: is this better? 18:40:17 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@client-86-31-2-201.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:50 <__ln__> meanwhile in the US: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43909060/ns/today-today_people/t/hes-labeled-sex-offender-sleeping-his-own-wife/ 18:41:27 <michi_cc> The description for <chunks ...> should be directly after 14 for a logical order 18:44:28 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: yes, that's what I expected. Thanks 18:46:14 <michi_cc> Moved <chunks ...> up 18:49:04 <Alberth> so how does the first example in Descriptions fit that pattern? 18:49:53 <Alberth> "C" "CSTM", is that <chunk ...> ? 18:50:58 <Eddi|zuHause> no, the whole thing until the final 00 is the chunk# 18:53:11 <Alberth> so that example misses "C"/"B"/"T", <identifier> and all the other fields below <chunk...> ? 18:54:34 *** Zeknurn [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:56 *** Zeknurn [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:56:15 <Alberth> First part of the syntax, upto the table makes sense to me, but I cannot relate the fields in the table to that first part. 19:11:07 <Alberth> apparently, more people are getting confused :p 19:13:14 *** Juo_ [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:10 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:16:11 *** Juo_ is now known as Juo 19:20:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host81-151-171-188.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:22:33 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:22:49 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:23:35 <frosch123> why is there some guy on the forums trying to understand r1? 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19:30:36 <andythenorth> yes 19:31:04 <andythenorth> but I'm trying to figure out irc weirdness 19:31:09 <andythenorth> sorry for flapping :( 19:31:14 <Wolf01> hello 19:31:35 <andythenorth> I am getting pissed off with getting 9 messages from nickserv every time I join the room 19:31:56 <andythenorth> "this nickname is registered, please choose a different nickname or...[truncated]" 19:32:13 <andythenorth> then "you are successfully identified as andythenorth" 19:32:18 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you copied over the config from the old computer? 19:32:20 <andythenorth> yes 19:32:51 <Eddi|zuHause> could put nickserv on ignore :p 19:35:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@188.220.91.30] has joined #openttd 19:35:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host81-151-171-188.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:35:48 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 19:35:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host81-151-171-188.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:35:59 <andythenorth> hmm 19:36:08 <andythenorth> found some settings in my client to ignore messages 19:36:14 <andythenorth> may have side effects, who knows ;P 19:36:59 <Eddi|zuHause> my guess is that you always got these messages, but they were hidden in some status window 19:37:33 *** Phoenix_the_II [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:39:01 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: don't squander bits on crossings :P 19:39:05 <andythenorth> roadtypes need them 19:40:12 <Eddi|zuHause> imho roadtypes need more bits than are available anyway 19:40:35 <Eddi|zuHause> and didn't i say i won't implement this? 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Retry in #openttdcoop.] 19:51:15 <Eddi|zuHause> ooooh... that didn't happen in a long time :p 19:56:43 <V453000> duh 20:02:16 *** douknoukem [~KEM@78.166.118.29] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07:15 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-77-37-203-211.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 20:26:39 <frosch123> night 20:26:44 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe0b0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:45:02 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:52:03 <Terkhen> good night 20:56:02 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 21:01:12 *** bodis [~bodis@cpc3-ando3-0-0-cust781.15-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:12:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host81-151-171-188.range81-151.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 21:17:07 *** Xrufuian [~xrufuian_@pool-98-119-100-203.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:57 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.209.129] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 21:25:59 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:34:48 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:42:23 *** Xrufuian [~xrufuian_@pool-98-119-100-203.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: quit] 21:45:25 *** Twerkhoven[L] [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 21:52:18 *** duckblaster [~duckblast@122-59-202-3.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #openttd 22:00:55 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:04:07 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:35 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 22:07:13 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 22:11:00 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has quit [] 22:21:04 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-023-095.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 22:24:15 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> synthon.oftc.net quits: tparker, SirSquidness, Eddi|zuHause, @Belugas, @orudge, supermop, bfrog, scn, Juo, tty234, (+19 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 22:26:59 *** Netsplit over, joins: supermop, Westie, Maarten_, Andel, Eddi|zuHause, Sevalecan, confound 22:27:33 *** Netsplit over, joins: @orudge, Sacro, @Belugas, Lachie, Wolf01, SirSquidness, TinoDidriksen, Blacklite, scn, CIA-2 22:29:30 *** Juo [~Juo@cpc11-acto2-2-0-cust244.4-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:29:30 *** variable [~balsa@216-165-29-133.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 22:29:30 *** AD [wilberforc@drinks.mountaindew.org] has joined #openttd 22:29:30 *** tty234 [telex@anapnea.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 22:35:36 *** ChanServ changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.1.1, 1.1.2-RC2 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version | English only 22:35:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v Terkhen] by ChanServ 22:35:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 22:35:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by ChanServ 22:37:50 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@212.183.140.22] has joined #openttd 22:38:03 <welshdragon> Ho hum 22:38:31 * welshdragon needs to set up his BNC on orudge's server 22:38:58 <welshdragon> now, where was i? ah yes! Can I convert a savegame into a scenario? 22:41:16 <welshdragon> (i've built up a nice track layout in IS2.1.1 and want to try to get around Chill's savegame incompatibility) 22:42:09 <planetmaker> rename the savegame extension from sav to scn 22:42:15 <planetmaker> deed done 22:42:28 <planetmaker> it's the same just a different colour (or name rather) 22:42:51 <planetmaker> but you'll not work around any savegame compatibility that way 22:43:09 <planetmaker> nor any other save hex-editing the differences 22:43:25 <welshdragon> well, all I want is the tracks 22:43:44 <welshdragon> I'm not fussed about keeping companies intact 22:43:50 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:50 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has joined #openttd 22:43:50 *** bfrog [~tburdick@li137-239.members.linode.com] has joined #openttd 22:43:50 *** Noldo_ [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 22:43:50 *** jonty-comp [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:50 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::1d:4242] has joined #openttd 22:43:50 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has joined #openttd 22:43:50 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause> compile copypaste upon IS2? 22:44:34 <planetmaker> tracks are company property. company gone -> tracks gone 22:45:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CD21.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:45:24 <welshdragon> ah 22:45:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you could write a crude export routine writing tile height and trackbits into a file, and read that in chipp as a "map generator" 22:46:30 <welshdragon> or I can ask Chill to try to fix savegame compatibility :P 22:46:50 <Eddi|zuHause> that is not going to happen 22:47:46 <planetmaker> most probably not. It would be time not well spent 22:48:23 <welshdragon> but why? CHIPP is newer than IS2, yet it fails to load a save, which iirc normal OTTD does fine 22:48:48 <planetmaker> both are patched versions... 22:49:47 <planetmaker> and versionA says that the savegame format is like A and versionB says it is like B 22:49:56 <planetmaker> both of which are different from trunk 22:50:13 <planetmaker> both use the same version for savegames but with a different meaning 22:56:28 <welshdragon> hmm, indeed, I just changed the extension of an old save to that of a scenario, it throws up 'Unexpected End of Chunk' 22:56:55 <welshdragon> when loaded with 1.1.1 (save was from IS2.1.1) 22:58:07 <welshdragon> So, guess I can't 'update' the game I'm playing 22:58:50 <welshdragon> (i've played said game now for 15 months, and still not 'completed' it) 23:00:50 <welshdragon> oh well, thanks PM. I'll have 'stable' internet again in 3 - 4 days, and I'll have set up my BNC again, so ciao for now! 23:01:10 *** welshdragon [~welshdrag@212.183.140.22] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 23:01:14 <planetmaker> ghost hour is over anyway. good night 23:01:45 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:47 <Ammler> do ghosts respect timezones? 23:01:49 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:41 <planetmaker> they walk with the time zones 23:05:02 <Wolf01> 'night 23:05:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host178-232-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:08:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198E9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:09:29 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ip4da39612.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:47 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08223c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us!] 23:22:50 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker/Ammler: are you aware that when i post a comment on the devzone it redirects me from https to http? 23:25:28 <Ammler> well, does that happen because you need to login? 23:26:06 <duckblaster> that's going from secure to non secure, not good 23:27:43 <Ammler> well, login does force you to ssl 23:27:58 <duckblaster> it should be secure all the time 23:28:06 <Ammler> and after successful login, you get redirected to where you came from 23:28:19 <duckblaster> not just when loging in 23:28:20 <Ammler> duckblaster: up to you 23:28:48 <duckblaster> cookies can be hijacked when nonsecure 23:29:13 <duckblaster> maybe not important here, but with bigger sites like facebook....... 23:34:23 <Ammler> I am not sure, if it is unsecure, as you get the cookie with ssl, right? 23:34:41 <Ammler> after that, why should it matter if you continue without 23:38:05 <Ammler> the question is rather, is the force login with ssl useless? 23:39:00 <duckblaster> the cookie is sent enencrypted, anyone on the same network (especially wireless) can get it 23:39:03 <duckblaster> and use it 23:39:11 <duckblaster> very easy 23:39:50 <duckblaster> they are then logged in, no password stealing needed 23:40:10 <Ammler> how does that matter, if with or without ssl? 23:40:24 <duckblaster> with ssl, it is not possible 23:40:31 <duckblaster> everything is encrypted 23:40:40 <duckblaster> takes years to brute force it 23:40:51 <duckblaster> no ssl, done in seconds 23:41:12 <Ammler> can you show me? 23:41:35 <duckblaster> let me find the info 23:42:15 <duckblaster> on a wireless network? 23:42:36 <Ammler> I guess, it is possible if you can setup proxy (man-in-the-middle), but then you need to tell the user that the cert is trusted 23:42:53 <duckblaster> install firesheep addon in firefox 23:43:02 <duckblaster> connect to wireless network 23:43:22 <duckblaster> log in to facebook or similar on other computer on network 23:43:29 <duckblaster> steal the cookies 23:44:09 <duckblaster> http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Microsoft-responds-to-Firesheep-cookie-jacking-tool-Update-1131124.html 23:44:40 <ccfreak2k> Windows Live didn't use SSL? 23:44:50 <duckblaster> only for login i think 23:49:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-156-229.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:49:31 <Ammler> well, I allow user to use ssl only, but I do not force it 23:49:52 <Ammler> I force just login and profile 23:50:52 <duckblaster> turn ssl always on as default 23:51:27 <Ammler> there are still windows user around... 23:52:05 <Ammler> maybe I find a way to force ssl after login 23:57:28 <Ammler> duckblaster: you know redmine? 23:57:36 <duckblaster> no 23:58:51 <Ammler> I have no clue how I could setup https per default but still allow http 23:59:01 *** Brianetta [~brian@188.220.91.30] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 23:59:36 <duckblaster> if logged in, check if the use https pref is set, if yes, redirect to https 23:59:50 <duckblaster> set that pref on by default