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00:09:38 <Ackmey> Is there any way I can buy out/take over other companies in an old MP game that is now in SP mode? 00:16:45 *** xavexgoem [~xav@adsl-99-72-127-103.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:19:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:33:05 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 00:39:17 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:57:46 *** perk11 [~perk11@31.181.124.91] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:04:35 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.a212.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 01:04:42 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-157-138.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:11:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Ackmey: have you enabled buying shares, and are the companies more than 7 years old? 01:28:42 *** Chrill [~chrischri@h-5-149.a212.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [] 01:34:35 *** Zeknurn [~lasershoc@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:55:01 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.211.197] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 02:25:07 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-188-100-218-212.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:30:54 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-201-198.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:16 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:f88d:1331:5a63:203d] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:03:28 *** Ackmey [~chatzilla@99.192.66.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0/20110811165603]] 04:08:04 *** visiogirl [~visiogirl@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #openttd 04:09:36 *** visiogirl [~visiogirl@212-198-248-35.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [] 04:41:52 *** ar3kaw [~ident@ecu183.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 04:48:39 *** ar3k [~ident@ebn126.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75DD5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B72A69.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:13:59 *** xavexgoem [~xav@adsl-99-72-127-103.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 05:14:09 *** dev_ [~xav@adsl-99-72-127-103.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 05:21:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DB34.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 05:27:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CFF2.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:39:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 05:47:57 *** __ln__ [~lauri@ssh.ksenos.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:59 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:17:16 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@195-240-99-235.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 06:21:55 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:22:47 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 06:28:35 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:33:08 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33:49 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 06:37:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DB34.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:40:08 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:40:33 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 07:27:11 *** staN [bc6f57fe@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:34:56 *** fjb is now known as Guest7224 07:34:58 *** fjb [~frank@p5DDFF64A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:40:56 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 07:41:50 *** Guest7224 [~frank@p5DDFF1B7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:42:00 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:42:04 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-002-181.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:43:54 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 07:43:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 07:53:39 <Terkhen> good morning 07:56:31 *** lessthanthree [lt3@d75-154-187-134.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:04:50 <pjpe> what's the deal with getting other people's patches in to trunk? 08:05:05 <pjpe> like some guy made a 'grass grows on unused tracks' patch 08:05:17 <pjpe> which also lets track tiles store how often they're used 08:05:20 <pjpe> which is quite useful 08:05:23 <pjpe> but the guy seems long gone 08:07:33 <Terkhen> you might want to check the patch and the comments to it first; for example, IIRC that patch adds a lot of additional checks (a big performance hit on maps with lots of railways) for just a cosmetic effect 08:07:54 <Terkhen> also, it was made before the introduction of NewGRF railtypes 08:08:06 <Terkhen> so it probably does not take them into account 08:08:20 <pjpe> hmm 08:08:24 <pjpe> well i was using it with nutracks 08:08:28 <pjpe> worked fine 08:08:30 <pjpe> hang on 08:08:46 <Terkhen> try it with vactrains :P 08:09:17 <Terkhen> grass growing inside a vacuum or over a crystal tube will not look nice 08:09:37 <pjpe> yeah 08:09:46 <pjpe> i made a patch that removes all the sprite drawing from it 08:09:56 <pjpe> so it's just storing a bit with track usage 08:10:06 <pjpe> i think that would be more useful 08:10:17 <pjpe> wait a crystal tube? 08:14:37 <Terkhen> search for vactrain in the forums 08:14:50 <pjpe> yeah i've heard of a vactrain 08:14:54 <pjpe> but a crystal tube as rail? 08:15:21 <Terkhen> what I'm saying is: each NewGRF railtype would need a way to decide if it wants something to grow over it or not, and a way to specify the sprite 08:15:36 <Terkhen> and that, given the performance hit for just eyecandy, it is not likely to be included 08:16:10 <pjpe> yeah 08:16:21 <pjpe> which is why i separated any drawing code from track 'aging' code 08:16:35 <pjpe> since i think the track aging is more useful 08:16:47 <pjpe> a track usage small map could be useful 08:16:51 <pjpe> could add it to pathfinding 08:16:57 <pjpe> making a more heavily used track chosen less 08:16:57 <pjpe> etc 08:17:16 <pjpe> and it doesn't seem like there's many bad comments against it in the thread 08:17:55 <Terkhen> I'd start with running performance comparisons between your patch and trunk, using many of the openttdcoop public server savegames 08:18:22 <V453000> few most heavy might do :P 08:19:03 <Terkhen> I suggest using that crazy one (or at least crazier than most) with railtracks almost everywhere 08:19:17 <planetmaker> :-) 08:19:18 <pjpe> alright 08:19:33 <V453000> Terkhen: that does not specify it too much :D 08:19:37 <planetmaker> there's a game (#200?) with 2.5k trains and much tracks 08:19:45 <V453000> 201 is probably more heavy 08:19:49 <V453000> with cities everywhere 08:19:56 <Terkhen> well, my memory is kinda bad, but I'm sure he will not have trouble finding a game like the one I described :) 08:20:02 <planetmaker> ah, maybe I mean that 08:20:04 <dihedral> morning :) 08:20:09 <planetmaker> moin dihedral 08:20:09 <Terkhen> hi dihedral 08:20:19 <dihedral> uh - that was a fast reply 08:20:21 <dihedral> hi :-) 08:20:35 <Terkhen> it happens when I'm already typing :) 08:21:59 <dihedral> hehe 08:22:02 <pjpe> oh you meant glass tubes didn't you 08:22:04 <pjpe> with vactrains 08:22:16 <V453000> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/PublicServer:Archive_-_Games_201_-_210#gameid_201 Terkhen: this is a map covered head to toe with 2500 trains and cities everywhere 08:23:00 <V453000> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/ProZone:Archive_-_Games_11_-_20#gameid_13 and this is a game with 2000 fast maglev trains choosing where to go all at once 08:23:08 <V453000> the second one works only with older nightlies 08:23:13 <V453000> as it is written there 08:23:59 <V453000> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/PublicServer:Archive_-_Games_181_-_190#gameid_186 and this is a "rather normal" game with 2000 trains 08:25:08 <Terkhen> pjpe: yes, sorry, false friend for spanish :) 08:25:23 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host86-154-80-124.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:25:50 <Terkhen> we have the same word for glass and crystal, it is kind of stupid 08:28:48 * SpComb wishes for a screenshot of #201 08:29:03 <V453000> just open it? 08:30:18 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-003-066.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 08:31:43 <pjpe> now here's a question 08:31:48 <pjpe> how would i go about doing a benchmark? 08:32:17 <Markk> Take a knife and do a mark in your bench? 08:33:13 <V453000> :d 08:33:28 *** PhoenixII [~ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 08:35:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19C97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:26 *** Strid_ [~Strid@c-0dcde455.04-372-6c6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 08:36:39 *** avdg_ [~avdg@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 08:36:47 *** xORR [xor@the.x-base.org] has joined #openttd 08:37:09 *** pm [~planetmak@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 08:37:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o pm] by ChanServ 08:37:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:38:09 <pm> 10:35 planetmaker: pjpe: learn to meet the macros TIC and TOC 08:38:09 <pm> 10:35 planetmaker: (and add them in the appropriate places, compile once with and once without your patch and compare run time) 08:38:09 <pm> 10:36 planetmaker: with a heavy game you might as well just have the map load and run for xx ticks and stop that time via the OS' time command 08:38:10 <pm> 10:36 planetmaker: might be easier 08:38:12 *** peter1139 [~petern@lachesis.fuzzle.org] has joined #openttd 08:38:16 <pm> if it shouldn't have gotten through 08:38:42 *** SpComb^_ [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 08:38:47 <pjpe> yeah none of that went through 08:38:59 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> magnet.oftc.net quits: @planetmaker, xQR, MNIM, Strid, @peter1138, welterde, Phoenix_the_II, DabuYu, SpComb, avdg, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 08:38:59 *** avdg_ is now known as avdg 08:38:59 *** pm is now known as planetmaker 08:38:59 *** xORR is now known as xQR 08:40:30 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:40:53 <peter1139> um 08:41:24 *** Netsplit over, joins: DabuYu 08:41:50 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@195-240-99-235.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:41:53 <dihedral> mu 08:42:42 <planetmaker> http://www.amazon.com/Gödel-Escher-Bach-Eternal-Golden/dp/0465026567/ ? 08:44:08 <peter1139> µ 08:48:39 *** dev_ [~xav@adsl-99-72-127-103.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:48:39 *** xavexgoem [~xav@adsl-99-72-127-103.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:48:58 *** pjpe [ae5b4df4@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:50:02 *** welterde [welterde@thinkbase.srv.welterde.de] has joined #openttd 08:50:05 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 08:50:30 <Markk> Goedemorgen 08:56:18 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:10 <Terkhen> hi Markk 08:58:27 <Markk> :) 08:58:32 <Markk> How's it going? 08:59:45 <planetmaker> usually by foot :-P 09:00:04 <Markk> Haha 09:02:46 *** ProgVal [ProgVal@mrtiserv.openihs.org] has joined #openttd 09:02:48 <ProgVal> Hi 09:03:47 <ProgVal> There is a bug in the configuration of the wiki 09:03:50 <Markk> Time for a bike tour! 09:03:58 <ProgVal> In HTTPS mode, I mean 09:04:07 <ProgVal> The root folder is: https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/ 09:04:24 <ProgVal> So, page URLs are like this one: https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/Main_Page 09:04:32 <ProgVal> But links redirect to: https://secure.openttd.org/OpenTTD 09:04:44 <ProgVal> No, nginx gives "Not found" errors 09:05:27 <Terkhen> hmm... true, it is missing the /wiki/ part 09:06:13 <Terkhen> which link? 09:06:22 <ProgVal> All internal links 09:06:55 <ProgVal> Open this page: https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/Main_Page 09:06:59 <Terkhen> true, I was trying the ones at the toolbar and those works 09:06:59 <ProgVal> and click any internal link 09:07:02 <Terkhen> the rest fail 09:07:10 <Terkhen> Rubidium, TrueBrain ^ 09:09:23 <TrueBrain> use http://wiki.openttd.org/ 09:09:44 <TrueBrain> mediawiki is officially not capable of being available under 2 links, and it often fails ... hard. I am sick of fixing it over and over. 09:10:19 <ProgVal> TrueBrain: KB HTTPS Enforcer automatically redirects me to the secure page 09:10:54 <ProgVal> But I can disable it for OpenTTD website, through 09:11:22 <TrueBrain> mediawiki should just stop being a tart 09:12:35 <ProgVal> Why don't you put MediaWiki at root? 09:12:48 <Ammler> or remove the redirect for https 09:12:57 <Ammler> (at least for wiki) 09:13:20 <ProgVal> Or use the /wiki/ prefix for the HTTP wiki 09:13:23 <TrueBrain> ProgVal: because all https pages are under secure.openttd.org? :) 09:14:04 <ProgVal> ok 09:14:50 <TrueBrain> and indeed, mediawiki is told to use /wiki when on https 09:14:54 <TrueBrain> fucking tard ... 09:15:34 <TrueBrain> why doesn't it understand basic concepts of doing what being told :P 09:16:05 <ProgVal> Another way would be to write a little script in LocalSettings.php, that includes either LocalSettings.http.php or LocalSettings.https.php, according to the domain 09:16:18 <TrueBrain> it does, in a more nicer way 09:16:22 <TrueBrain> but mediawiki always knows it better 09:16:27 <TrueBrain> and kinda ignores variables when it seems fit 09:18:01 <ProgVal> Eh, you fixed it! 09:18:20 <TrueBrain> owh, ugh, I remember 09:18:22 <TrueBrain> fucking caches 09:21:18 <ProgVal> Chromium alerts me about contents that do not use HTTPS (red-striked "https://" in the URL) 09:21:27 <ProgVal> I think it's the OVH logo 09:29:18 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:29:26 <planetmaker> that's likely 09:29:35 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:29:37 <planetmaker> but not much we can do about... right now 09:31:02 <Rubidium> ProgVal: just install an adblocker that blocks said ad 09:31:10 <ProgVal> Just replace http://www.ovh.com/flashbanners/de/logo90x90/loader_de_logo90x90.swf by https://www.ovh.com/flashbanners/de/logo90x90/loader_de_logo90x90.swf 09:31:26 <ProgVal> Rubidium: I don't like ad blockers 09:32:01 <Rubidium> oh, you fancy the crapload of gifs and flashes to be loaded for every page? 09:32:04 <TrueBrain> forcing https for non-https users is also not nice :P 09:32:06 <ProgVal> More over, I don't care about the HTTPS warning, I just said it because some people might be questionning about it 09:32:21 <ProgVal> Rubidium: Did you know some websites earn money with ads? 09:32:26 <ProgVal> Some great websites, I mean 09:32:35 <Rubidium> like? 09:33:26 <ProgVal> I don't know, I don't keep a list :p 09:33:26 <Rubidium> it can't be OpenTTD as its ad income are marginal at best compared to the private donations 09:33:58 <planetmaker> well... technically we earn with this add... 09:34:01 <planetmaker> -d 09:34:05 <Rubidium> ah, the lets go to war argument: they have nuclear weapons, proof it: well... I don't have a list, but they have them 09:34:18 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: technically, we don't earn. We just ensure we get something ;) 09:34:29 <planetmaker> :-) 09:34:33 <TrueBrain> hihihihi :D 09:36:30 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host86-154-80-124.range86-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:20 <ProgVal> Rubidium: :) 09:38:39 <Rubidium> it's like everyone being ueber worried about storing fingerprints in a central databank, yet they allow themselves to be tracked for (almost) every click they do on the internet 09:43:11 <ProgVal> I block trackers, such as Google Adsense and Google Analytics 09:50:25 *** ricky26 [~quassel@80.83.125.94] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54:25 *** ricky26 [~quassel@80.83.125.94] has joined #openttd 10:30:28 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e091fee.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:36:12 *** SpComb^_ is now known as SpComb 10:37:20 *** staN [bc6f57fe@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:41:27 *** staN [bc6f57fe@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 10:55:06 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:56:27 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:07:57 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:35:15 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: but private corporations are The Good and governments are The Evil (american public opinion) 11:39:57 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:11 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: I wish that in the US all government activities would be put on hold for a week, as well as refuse access to all government property. Lets see whether they then still don't like what the government does for them. 11:48:22 <ProgVal> TrueBrain: The wiki is broken again :/ 11:49:01 <TrueBrain> it was never fixed 11:49:20 <TrueBrain> which ever page hits the cache first, wins 11:49:26 <TrueBrain> and I can't be arshed to fix cache issues :P 11:49:45 <ProgVal> ah :| 11:57:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:59:12 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 12:03:58 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-252-3.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:04:44 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-252-3.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 12:04:46 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-252-3.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:11:07 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-003-066.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:13:09 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-096-234.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 12:21:41 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-096-234.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:56 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-096-234.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 12:30:45 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 12:35:05 *** Sc00by22 [~IceChat77@host-78-150-2-242.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 12:36:02 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:44 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-252-3.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: jpx_] 12:40:48 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-252-3.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:59:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:59:50 <andythenorth> interesting http://www.unleashedmind.com/en/blog/sun/the-drupal-crisis 13:00:25 <andythenorth> sometimes I think we should be more like drupal / PHP web frameworks - and pile on more patches 13:00:36 <andythenorth> but probably it's a bad idea :P 13:13:14 <Eddi|zuHause> "Almost all bugs require in-depth knowledge of various subsystems as well as a solid understanding of the consequences of a change." that's probably the point where you need to completely rewrite the entire program... 13:15:00 <Eddi|zuHause> what exactly is drupal anyway? 13:15:17 <andythenorth> heavyweight web content management framework 13:15:44 <andythenorth> very successful in terms of user base 13:16:06 <andythenorth> where I work, we don't use it 13:16:24 <andythenorth> we use python frameworks which are much more rigorously managed (mostly by germans) 13:16:30 <andythenorth> and far less popular 13:17:28 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 13:23:40 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-77-86-195-192.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 13:27:56 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 13:49:34 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:13:23 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:14:47 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.211.197] has joined #openttd 14:14:55 <confound> andythenorth: where do you work? 14:15:08 <andythenorth> in a building :) 14:15:12 <confound> UNHELPFUL 14:15:12 <andythenorth> and sometimes in my garden 14:15:48 <supermop> gah 14:15:52 <andythenorth> :) 14:15:55 <supermop> so frustrating 14:16:23 <andythenorth> confound: I work in the UK. I look after three businesses, each of which could make me bankrupt at a moment's notice. 14:16:24 <andythenorth> it's fun 14:16:34 <confound> ah 14:16:40 <confound> good times 14:23:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 14:24:32 *** Sc00by22 [~IceChat77@host-78-150-2-242.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Take my advice. 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I think I found a nicer one 15:36:09 <Rubidium> manufacturing supplies: MS seems reasonable, right? But French has MS for maize. So if you make a farm you get Foo Farm MS/MS, if you choose french and the NewGRF isn't translated 15:37:00 <Rubidium> yes... it comes down to not having fully translated NewGRFs, but the number of translations of NewGRFs are significantly smaller than the number of translations of OpenTTD 15:37:18 <andythenorth> I would make this bigger, using full names, possibly icons, more likely colours. And toggle it off most of the time 15:37:49 <andythenorth> adding more small clutter or things you have to go figure out isn't so good :) 15:37:50 <Rubidium> are there cargo icons? 15:37:53 <andythenorth> yes 15:37:59 <andythenorth> used in station window 15:38:16 <andythenorth> also colours (payment chart + cargo chains window) 15:38:23 <andythenorth> brb 15:39:58 <Rubidium> oh, coloured sprites 15:40:06 <Rubidium> that's even harder in texts 15:40:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: even if there are collisions, people can still click on the sign/industry and get the full name 15:45:45 *** __ln___ [~lauri@ssh.ksenos.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:47:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DB34.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:59:52 <andythenorth> I should draw a mockup for you to point and laugh at 16:01:33 <andythenorth> I saw it more as a list of 'in' 'out' with full cargo names, and a coloured rect next to them, similar to cargo payment chart 16:01:51 <andythenorth> and then maybe yacd etc can do something clever with proportions in future :P 16:01:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 16:01:57 <andythenorth> to show supply / demand 16:02:03 <andythenorth> biab 16:11:41 *** Ackmey [~chatzilla@99.192.66.204] has joined #openttd 16:12:05 <Ackmey> Hey if I destroy an airport and quickly replace it with another at the same spot, will the planes' orders carry over to the new one? 16:13:02 <Pinkbeast> Yes. 16:13:24 <Yexo> instead of having to be quick, connect a bus station to it first, than delete, than connect new airport with the bus station 16:13:38 <Pinkbeast> To be absolutely sure, Ctrl-click while placing the new airport. This brings up a menu with "Place new airport" and the old airport, select the old airport 16:13:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Ackmey: you have about a month before the old station sign disappears 16:13:44 <Pinkbeast> ... or do Yexo's much better idea 16:14:10 <Ackmey> Is there anything special I have to do to connect the bus station or do I just pop it down next to the airport? 16:14:32 <Pinkbeast> Just pop it down. 16:14:35 <Ackmey> Thanks guys 16:15:06 <Pinkbeast> Ctrl-clicking is usually used when a) you want to put a station tile next to an existing station but have it _not_ in the same station or b) when you want to construct a new bit of a station that's not touching the old station. 16:16:29 <SpComb> boo, nontrivial merge from yacd 2.3 to newer trunk :( 16:16:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:25:47 <SpComb> hrm 16:26:01 <SpComb> how do you play a scenario with given set of NewGRFs x? 16:26:06 <SpComb> you don't? 16:26:55 <Ammler> enable scenario_developer 16:29:05 <Ackmey> How does the autoreplace function work? I've set all my trains to get replaced but it doesn't seem to be happening 16:29:48 *** perk111 [~perk11@31.181.237.231] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 16:30:45 <Pinkbeast> It only happens when they go in a depot 16:31:22 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:31:23 <Pinkbeast> In theory even if you have breakdowns disabled and servicing off, trains with an autoreplace to be done should go to depots, but I have a feeling that doesn't work. 16:31:51 <Ackmey> My trains are going to depots though for servicing 16:31:59 <Ackmey> Not getting replaced 16:32:04 <Ackmey> Even if I send them manually 16:32:09 <Pinkbeast> Do you have 0,000? 16:32:22 <Ackmey> yes 16:32:27 <Pinkbeast> There's a "disable autoreplace if not at least X amount of money" option 16:32:37 <Ackmey> I've got 40 million 16:32:53 <Pinkbeast> OK. Open the list of trains. Do you have any groups? 16:32:58 <Ackmey> no groups 16:33:44 <Pinkbeast> Select Replace Vehicles 16:33:52 * Rubidium votes for "signal issue" 16:34:22 <Ackmey> Yup 16:34:53 <Pinkbeast> Select the vehicle you expect to be replaced from the lefthand list 16:35:30 <Ackmey> Yup 16:35:44 <Pinkbeast> Now, does it say "Stop Replacing Vehicles" at the bottom? 16:36:26 <andythenorth> @seen pikka 16:36:26 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 5 days, 11 hours, 22 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <pikka> poin mlanet 16:36:56 <Ackmey> Yes it does 16:37:33 <Pinkbeast> Huh, in that case a savegame might be necessary. That all sounds set up correctly. 16:38:03 <Ackmey> Alright I'll give it a few mins in case 16:39:14 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22845 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#4745]: perform stricter checks on some commands (monoid) 16:40:24 <Ackmey> http://www.2shared.com/file/EtbEOcYP/railroads.html 16:41:13 <Pinkbeast> OK, gimme a minute to take a look at that... 16:41:49 <confound> breakdowns disabled and servicing off, trains do get autoreplaced. I've done it 16:45:12 *** perk11 [~perk11@31.181.237.231] has joined #openttd 16:50:05 * Pinkbeast grabs a new vanilla OTTD ahem 16:54:20 <Pinkbeast> "Broken savegame, inconsistent size" 16:55:16 <Ackmey> 0.o 16:55:52 <Pinkbeast> Which version of OTTD are you using? 16:56:07 <Ackmey> 1.1.2 16:57:17 <Pinkbeast> Aha, it would help if I ran the version I just installed 16:57:52 <Ackmey> :p 16:59:13 <Pinkbeast> I just sent train 1 to the depot. It autoreplaced. 16:59:22 <Ackmey> Gahh what 16:59:37 <Ackmey> I restarted the game I'll try again 16:59:57 <Pinkbeast> I'm surprised you never built any A4s 17:00:20 <Ackmey> Goddamn autoreplaced for me too. Maybe all i needed was to restart? 17:00:22 <Ackmey> And a4s? 17:01:33 <Pinkbeast> The so-called "Ginzu A4" available between the Jubilee and the 8P locomotives. 17:01:35 <confound> it's a size of paper 17:02:00 <Pinkbeast> http://wiki.openttd.org/Ginzu_%22A4%22 17:02:51 <Ackmey> Hm funno 17:02:55 <Ackmey> dunno* 17:03:54 <Pinkbeast> Also in future games you may want to disable "allow trains to make 90 degree turns". It looks really ugly and often it's hard with that option on to stop trains taking unexpected routes 17:05:08 <Ackmey> Okay sounds good 17:05:12 <Ackmey> everything is pretty sloppy 17:07:20 <Pinkbeast> If I were you I would also give thought to electrification 17:08:10 <Pinkbeast> And/or using the Class 43... er, the "SH '125'" on passenger services, if you have any 17:08:17 <Ackmey> Yeah I had electric trains lined up at first but I realized they weren't available from depots so I thought maybe that was the problem 17:08:30 <Pinkbeast> You have to convert the depots and rails to electric 17:09:05 <Ackmey> Oh youch 17:09:18 <Ackmey> How do I do thaT? 17:09:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc906.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:09:39 <Pinkbeast> When you select railway construction, pulldown the menu to "Electrified railway construction" 17:10:14 <Pinkbeast> Two to the right of the tunnel tool is the track conversion tool. You can drag out large areas with it (and with your budget, you might just do the entire map) 17:10:27 <Pinkbeast> You'll also want to turn off the track transparency option that hides overhead wires. 17:11:18 <Ackmey> if I do the rail conversion though I still need to do depots and stations manually? 17:11:32 <Pinkbeast> Nope, the conversion tool does depots and stations 17:11:35 <Ackmey> Okay 17:11:46 <Ackmey> Will old trains run on electric rials/ 17:11:49 <Ackmey> rails 17:12:03 <glx> yes 17:12:03 <Pinkbeast> Yes, just fine. 17:12:18 <Pinkbeast> Conversely the conversion from elrails to monorail/maglev is a royal PITA 17:12:54 <Pinkbeast> And you can electrify track under the running trains, even, so if you drag the conversion tool across the entire map it all works 17:13:01 <Ackmey> i may just wait until my trains get old again to convert to electric seeing as they're all brand new 17:13:53 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-41-16.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:56 <confound> the trainsets I play with don't have monorail/maglev, and I'm not particularly sad to miss out on that conversion 17:14:06 <Eddi|zuHause> man i have not played with original vehicles in ages 17:14:21 <Pinkbeast> Well, bear in mind you get a percentage of the purchase cost of the replaced vehicle based on its age, so replacing a nearly-new locomotive isn't that costly. 17:14:55 <Ackmey> Well I've got nothing to do with my money anyway 17:15:40 <Ackmey> Oh it barely cost anything 17:15:47 *** Lakie` [~Lakie@82.153.211.197] has joined #openttd 17:15:57 <Terkhen> sadly that's only a common issue ingame :) 17:16:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Ackmey: the main cost of replacement is usually your disruption of service (few deliveries, dropping station rating, etc.) 17:17:17 <Ackmey> Ah that makes sense 17:17:31 <Eddi|zuHause> (traffic jam in places they would normally not visit) 17:17:46 <Pinkbeast> Also I fear you're basically at the stage where money is irrelevant 17:20:02 <Ackmey> Is there any way I can get more than two airports in one town? 17:21:13 <Eddi|zuHause> yes and no, if you forgive the expression 17:21:38 <Eddi|zuHause> you have to enable the option "noise control for airports" 17:21:40 *** Lakie [~Lakie@82.153.211.197] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:48 <Pinkbeast> You could set up a feeder service with rail or busses to an airport outside the town's area 17:21:56 <Eddi|zuHause> then small towns will allow fewer airports, while big cities will allow more 17:22:24 <Pinkbeast> http://wiki.openttd.org/Feeder_service # at this point it may start to strike you that non-cargod*st treatment of passengers is a bit silly 17:22:59 <Ackmey> Yeah a town is essentially just another industry 17:24:39 <Ackmey> I'll just set up a feeder bus station 17:27:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19C97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:45 *** mrclnz [~mrclnz@host64-39-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #openttd [] 17:32:33 *** adamkex [~adam@89-253-104-158.customers.ownit.se] has left #openttd [] 17:33:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19C97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:36:54 *** pjpe [ae5f3a02@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:38:06 <Ackmey> Will bus stations get overcrowded if I have too many going back and forth? 17:44:30 *** Lakie` is now known as Lakie 17:44:57 <Pinkbeast> Well, passengers don't (in vanilla) go back and forth as such. 17:45:16 <confound> yes, bus stations can be clogged by too many buses 17:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r22846 /trunk/src/lang/ (dutch.txt italian.txt): 17:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 changes by habell 17:45:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 17:45:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:46:47 <Pinkbeast> Oh, wait, you mean overcrowded with busses. If you build a set of drivethrough stops in a row it has quite a high capacity 17:53:18 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:53:21 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:04:26 *** welshdragon [~welsh@client-86-23-83-150.brhm.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:07:56 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 18:33:22 *** xavexgoem [~xav@adsl-99-72-127-103.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:22 *** dev_ [~xav@adsl-99-72-127-103.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:24 *** Ackmey [~chatzilla@99.192.66.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0/20110811165603]] 18:39:51 *** perk11 [~perk11@31.181.237.231] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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You'll just severly regret having eaten it ;-) 18:58:51 <frosch123> unless it is grey and frowsty, it should be fine 18:59:14 <andythenorth> it's good to get food poisoning every 5 years or so 18:59:16 <Terkhen> if it does not walk or talk, you won't die from eating it 18:59:17 <planetmaker> green is also bad ;-) 18:59:24 <andythenorth> reminds you how nice it is not to have food poisoning 18:59:45 <andythenorth> this actually tastes better than when it was opened 19:00:37 <andythenorth> has anyone eaten corsican copa? That's quite intense 19:01:16 * andythenorth advances from salami to chorizo 19:01:17 <andythenorth> hmm 19:01:21 <andythenorth> there is no beer here 19:01:31 <andythenorth> and it is raining 19:01:50 *** pjpe [ae5f3a02@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:05:08 * Zuu wonders what to do 19:05:23 <Terkhen> stuff 19:05:49 <andythenorth> hmm 19:05:57 <Zuu> I could possible even fix the bugs in OTTDAU if it wasnt that I don't have any legal access to the compiler except for my old computers where I got turbo delphi. 19:05:57 <andythenorth> wine is quite like beer? There is wine here 19:06:23 <Zuu> I guess I should get around to fix the bug some day... 19:06:24 <planetmaker> I'd not subscribe to that statement. But they can fulfil a common purpose 19:06:27 * peter1139 noms on 99p steak 19:08:55 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:09:06 <andythenorth> beer is tastier than wine 19:09:10 * andythenorth drinks wine 19:09:35 <peter1139> it is 19:09:41 <peter1139> i've not properly had beer for 2 years ;( 19:09:55 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-002-181.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 19:11:09 * Zuu continues on his human OpenTTD game 19:11:59 <planetmaker> hm... OpenTTD is actually something which can be played...? 19:12:23 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:29 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-79-222.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:56 <andythenorth> planetmaker: FMSP :P 19:15:56 <andythenorth> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=373098&nseq=0 19:16:16 <planetmaker> yes, lovely picture of it :-) 19:17:08 <frosch123> cool two guys in this channel playing at a tmie :p 19:17:34 <andythenorth> people play it? 19:17:36 <andythenorth> how odd 19:18:16 <frosch123> well, i do not use firs :p 19:19:07 <planetmaker> heretic! ;-) 19:19:10 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-79-222.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:19:33 <frosch123> would like suck if i would :p 19:19:43 * frosch123 plays 128x256 on mountainious 19:19:44 <planetmaker> uh? 19:19:50 <planetmaker> :-) 19:19:58 <planetmaker> that *can* work. But barely, I fear 19:21:55 <Terkhen> good luck :P 19:21:55 <andythenorth> frosch123: FIRS won't fit there :P 19:22:04 <Terkhen> lots of rivers too? :) 19:22:29 <andythenorth> *if* industries could terraform better....it would be ok 19:22:40 <frosch123> nope, i started the game shortly before that 19:23:42 <frosch123> *if* someone would write a good spec for specifying slope layouts, it would likely be easy to implement 19:24:28 * andythenorth wonders if we can extend layout definitions 19:24:32 <andythenorth> with some extra bytes 19:24:40 <andythenorth> and bit stuff slope requirements into them 19:24:46 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:32 <andythenorth> so to be clear 19:25:49 <andythenorth> this would attempt *terraform* to precisely a specified shape? 19:26:01 <andythenorth> no either / or / if / but stuff 19:26:05 <frosch123> i wondered about assigning building numbers to tiles. where every building id has a consitent height refernce, while other buildings can be at different height 19:26:32 * andythenorth puzzles 19:27:09 <frosch123> i.e. a fixed slope for a group of tiles, but multiple of such groups which can vary in height between them 19:27:31 <planetmaker> that might be an interesting idea and allow for fun stuff 19:27:36 <andythenorth> ah 19:27:38 <frosch123> i.e. every building of the industry is on flat land, but there can be slopes and foundations between the buildings 19:27:45 * andythenorth gets it 19:27:45 <planetmaker> Additionally the auto-terraform would be a good complement 19:27:58 <andythenorth> currently I think FIRS mostly refuses to terraform 19:28:01 <andythenorth> as we use cb2f 19:28:07 <planetmaker> yup, 80% surely 19:28:16 <Eddi|zuHause> auto-terraform can only make things completely flat 19:28:23 <andythenorth> currently 19:28:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't see a sane way to make it do something different... 19:28:49 <andythenorth> why? 19:29:04 <andythenorth> start from the N tile, specify +1, 0, -1 per corner 19:29:15 <andythenorth> the only real case for it though is quarries and open pit mines 19:29:27 <andythenorth> there's nothing else that really needs it 19:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause> and if you want "don't care" or "+2 to +4" values? 19:29:38 <andythenorth> "don't care" is not valid 19:29:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it is, if you want a foundation anyway 19:29:54 <andythenorth> at +2 you're going to need foundations 19:30:09 <andythenorth> foundations aren't valid for the cases I can think of (or george or pikka have found afaik) 19:30:16 <frosch123> andythenorth: instead of corner heights i would rather go for tile slopes 19:30:25 <andythenorth> valid imho 19:30:44 <andythenorth> but really the only case is quarries, so is it tmwftlb? 19:30:56 <frosch123> every tile specifies a surface slope or "don't care" as well as "foundation allowed" 19:30:59 <planetmaker> why only quarries? 19:31:03 <frosch123> which might include inclined foundations as well 19:31:14 <andythenorth> planetmaker: because it's not necessary for other industries 19:31:14 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: what i mean is: whichever way you come up with, it's either difficult/tedious to specify or you will find someone that says "but i need XYZ and i can't do it" 19:31:23 <andythenorth> they're wrong 19:31:30 <frosch123> andythenorth: it is necessary for your huge processing industries 19:31:43 <andythenorth> I guess it is actually 19:31:54 <andythenorth> given that we disallowed them levelling their own plateau :P 19:32:17 <planetmaker> it would help tremendously - and look even better, if used properly 19:32:26 <andythenorth> it would be nice - no argument there 19:32:30 <andythenorth> but nice != necessary? 19:33:07 <andythenorth> anyway, I'm not arguing *against* it 19:33:11 <andythenorth> :) 19:34:01 <andythenorth> george is creating a quarry that adapts itself to nearly all existing slopes 19:34:12 <andythenorth> I've seen a picture, it's quite awesome 19:34:27 * frosch123 saw it ingame 19:34:56 <frosch123> because of bugreport :p 19:36:19 <planetmaker> :-) It looks nice, yes 19:37:42 <frosch123> btw. i am disappointed... still nobody reported the bug i recently added :p 19:38:26 <frosch123> well, monday, so no weekend yet 19:39:12 * andythenorth wonders if the salami was unwise idea 19:39:52 <frosch123> ohoh, throwing up? 19:42:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host26-234-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:42:25 <andythenorth> nah 19:42:34 <andythenorth> it would have to be pretty toxic to react that fast 19:42:50 <Wolf01> hello 19:45:48 <andythenorth> Rubidium: FWIW, a friend of mine - dedicated linux user - has been pricing new high-spec laptops 19:45:59 <andythenorth> at uk prices, he can't find anything cheaper than a mac 19:46:04 <andythenorth> make of that what you will :P 19:46:23 <andythenorth> he will have to bin the OS of course 19:46:43 <frosch123> andythenorth: fwiw, rb is on vacation :P 19:46:47 <andythenorth> heh 19:46:49 <andythenorth> well 19:46:57 <andythenorth> he'll miss out on that fruit flavoured advice 19:47:00 <andythenorth> :P 19:58:45 *** joho [~joho@c-6f04e155.132-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:09:23 <andythenorth> any clues on this? http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/2358 20:10:59 * Alberth has no clues to offer 20:12:14 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:13:23 <frosch123> we already talked about that, but i still did not write a wiki page explaining that 20:13:44 <frosch123> sprites may not extent the vertical axes at the left and right corner of the tile 20:14:36 <frosch123> and not the horizontal axis at the bottom corner, and not the one at about 100 pixels above the top corner 20:15:23 <frosch123> i.e. imagine a big house on every tile, and nothing from the spritelayout on that tile may extent the house borders 20:15:29 <frosch123> independent of any bounding boxes 20:15:38 <Eddi|zuHause> afair it was 256 pixels above the top 20:16:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you may draw there, but it may glitch when scrolling the tile out of view 20:17:04 <frosch123> we are talking about exactly those glitches 20:17:24 <frosch123> 255 pixels in the maximum height of any sprite due to the grf format 20:17:25 <andythenorth> so it's the boats? 20:18:02 <Eddi|zuHause> not 512? 20:18:24 <frosch123> sprites are generally limited to 31px to the left, 36px to the right, 122px to the top and 32px to the bottom of the north corner of a tile 20:18:44 <frosch123> (maybe those values are off by a few pixels) 20:19:09 <andythenorth> so the boats that exceed the bounding box are the issue 20:19:10 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: bytes tend to have values between 0 and 255 20:19:26 <frosch123> andythenorth: yes, they extent the tile borders to the left and right 20:19:33 <frosch123> (independent of boundnig boxes) 20:19:33 <andythenorth> easily fixed 20:19:54 <andythenorth> I hope... 20:20:02 <frosch123> different cutting 20:20:33 <andythenorth> I can update the boats anyway, they got redrawn in FISH 20:31:44 *** JVassie [~James@genkt-056-054.t-mobile.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:35:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19C97.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:38:03 *** pjpe [ae5f3a02@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:38:07 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 20:47:10 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:50:58 *** JVassie [~James@genkt-056-054.t-mobile.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:27 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:43 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 21:03:35 <planetmaker> good night 21:04:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:08:16 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:09:22 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fc906.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:21 *** xavexgoem [~xav@adsl-99-72-127-103.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:22:21 *** dev_ [~xav@adsl-99-72-127-103.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:46:07 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 21:59:55 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc14-linl7-2-0-cust28.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:04 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h84n7-ld-c-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:03:42 <Terkhen> good night 22:06:24 <Wolf01> 'night 22:06:28 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host26-234-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:34:05 *** KouDy [~KouDy@ip-86-49-8-91.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:39:59 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 22:41:03 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 23:10:46 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19C97.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:51 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:13 *** jpx_ [jpx_@a91-156-252-3.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:52 *** dev_ [~xav@adsl-99-72-127-103.dsl.euclwi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 23:57:45 *** Sc00by22 [~IceChat77@host-78-150-2-242.as13285.net] has joined #openttd