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00:39:24 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:47:34 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:8c0d:d6c:8c45:636f] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:55:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-3-230.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:58:54 *** Mr_Bones_ [~nobody@pool-71-168-64-57.cncdnh.fast.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 02:26:03 *** rhaeder1 [~quix0r@dslb-094-221-207-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:28:18 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:30:57 *** rhaeder [~quix0r@dslb-188-109-247-104.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:53 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x573c4281.espnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:14:05 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-037-119.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Quit: I reject your reality and substitute my own] 03:23:15 *** DabuYu [~jkuckartz@128.250.79.189] has quit [] 03:26:11 *** DabuYu [~jkuckartz@128.250.79.189] has joined #openttd 04:32:59 *** archie [~7a392679@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 04:33:45 *** archie [~7a392679@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 04:43:08 *** BigElephant [~BigElepha@210.22.152.146] has joined #openttd 04:44:38 *** BigElephant [~BigElepha@210.22.152.146] has left #openttd [] 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73484.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B736BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:25:05 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 05:26:46 <Elukka> Eddi|zuHause: i put together a train, not terribly important but think of it as a quick promo picture :D 05:26:48 <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/Art%20and%20stuff/prussiantrain.png 05:30:03 <pjpe> now make an animation of it turning! 05:30:11 <Elukka> ha 05:30:45 <Elukka> might get the full sprites of the coaches done tomorrow or the next day 05:30:52 <Elukka> loco is already done, not mine though 05:30:54 <pjpe> you better 05:39:24 <Diablo-D3> hrm 05:39:30 <Diablo-D3> I wonder how map gen is supposed to work 05:39:41 <Elukka> you could do some pixels too if you want it done faster, pjpe :P 05:39:53 <Diablo-D3> varierty distribution: none 05:39:54 <pjpe> ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 05:39:57 <Diablo-D3> produces amazing fucking maps 05:40:20 <Diablo-D3> but very low through very high produce nearly identical results 05:40:38 <Diablo-D3> and the results are basically a few mounts and lots of flat area 05:40:43 <pjpe> can you take a screenshot of the small map of two with the same seed? 05:41:13 <pjpe> damn i wish 2cc guy would come back 05:41:14 <Diablo-D3> pjpe: well 05:41:17 <Diablo-D3> I think its the map size 05:41:27 <Diablo-D3> 2048x2048 seems to confuse it 05:41:35 <Diablo-D3> smaller sizes produce what I think was intended 05:42:05 <pjpe> could be that 05:42:14 <Elukka> hey sprites are kinda fun to make 05:42:23 <Diablo-D3> I have arctic, 2048 2048, terragenesis,, snow line 7, mountainous, very rough, low, improved, none 05:42:48 <Elukka> and this one is my... third sprite or something 05:44:46 <Diablo-D3> hrm 05:44:48 <Diablo-D3> wonder if it was the seed 05:44:54 <Diablo-D3> I changed the seed and very low is a tad better 05:45:16 <Diablo-D3> oh wait I lied 05:46:48 <Diablo-D3> btw, does openttd have a height limit? 05:46:55 <pjpe> yes 05:47:04 <pjpe> which is why there's a patch to make more height levels 05:47:05 <Diablo-D3> how high? 05:47:12 <pjpe> oh about 05:47:13 <pjpe> more than 4 05:47:15 <pjpe> less than 100 05:47:31 *** DDR_ [~DDR@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 05:47:39 <Diablo-D3> I dunno, I just think it'd be fun to scale gigantic mountains 05:47:54 <pjpe> you can 05:47:57 <pjpe> there's a patch for that 05:48:09 <Diablo-D3> yeah, but why hasnt the patch been comitted? ;) 05:48:25 <pjpe> same reason other things aren't committed 05:48:27 <pjpe> maybe there are bugs 05:48:32 <pjpe> maybe the guy hasn't bothered trying to get it applied 05:48:37 <pjpe> maybe there's some gameplay issues somewhere 05:48:41 <pjpe> do some research kid 05:49:00 <Diablo-D3> what revision control does ottd use? 05:49:04 <pjpe> svn 05:49:09 <Diablo-D3> goddamnit =/ 05:49:12 <Diablo-D3> people need to use git! 05:49:16 <pjpe> why 05:49:19 <pjpe> well 05:49:21 <pjpe> aside from the obvious 05:49:28 <pjpe> what is the big downside in openttd for using svn right now 05:49:56 <Diablo-D3> git makes it 50 times easier for people to write code and 50 times easier for upstream to merge it 05:50:27 <pjpe> not sure that's the reason why height controls isn't in trunk 05:50:31 <pjpe> you can use git for the code 05:50:39 <pjpe> there are git mirrors it's just hosted mainly using svn 05:51:07 <Diablo-D3> yeah but theres nothing quite like throwing it up on github and making everything easy 05:51:20 <pjpe> how would that help get more patches in though 05:51:37 <Diablo-D3> because people can easily produce new branches 05:51:48 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:51:55 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 05:52:01 <Diablo-D3> seriously, for almost every large product that switched to git, the number of patches submitted and merged has gone radically up 05:52:06 <Diablo-D3> which is a good thing 05:52:07 <planetmaker> the source control software hardly has an impact there 05:52:10 <planetmaker> moin also 05:52:17 <pjpe> you should mix that up 05:52:25 <pjpe> say some other greetings every once in a while 05:52:33 <pjpe> through in a hallelujah every once in a while 05:52:39 <planetmaker> source code of openttd is available via svn, hg and git 05:52:41 <planetmaker> moin also 05:52:51 <planetmaker> :-D 05:52:59 <planetmaker> like halleluja?! :-) 05:53:06 <pjpe> can i get an amen 05:53:08 <pjpe> AMEN!! 05:54:17 <Diablo-D3> lol 327mb png 05:57:30 <Diablo-D3> lol 413mb png 05:57:47 <pjpe> how impractical would it be to switch to git though 05:57:58 <Diablo-D3> pjpe: it wouldnt 05:58:03 <Diablo-D3> many projects have switched 05:58:04 <pjpe> not you!! 05:58:14 * Diablo-D3 shrugs 05:58:24 <Diablo-D3> its not like anyone else in here has much experience on the subject 05:58:42 <pjpe> well planemaker answers like every question in here 05:58:45 <pjpe> and does a lot of developing 05:58:56 <pjpe> he seems to know why everything does or doesn't happen 06:02:43 <planetmaker> svn has the advanatage to have unique and easy-to-read version numbers 06:03:09 <planetmaker> Many patches and additions are developed from hg or git repos 06:03:16 <Diablo-D3> you can do that with git too, planetmaker 06:03:46 <planetmaker> dvcs don't have svn's nice and easy sequential versions 06:04:04 <planetmaker> + and unique 06:04:08 <Diablo-D3> no, git can output the tag as part of the revision number 06:04:14 <Diablo-D3> and dvcs ARE unique names 06:04:26 <Diablo-D3> since git uses the sha256 signature of the commit 06:04:48 <Diablo-D3> also, uh, maybe loading a 400mb png in gimp isnt a good idea 06:08:08 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:13:38 <Terkhen> good morning 06:15:32 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 06:17:43 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has joined #openttd 06:19:07 <planetmaker> hi Terkhen 06:34:09 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has joined #openttd 06:35:01 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0afbc7.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:52:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:56:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 07:02:43 *** zachanima [~zach@0x52b41806.static.bcbnet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:04:04 <appe> good morning. 07:04:17 <Markk> Oi appe 07:04:22 <Markk> How's it going? 07:04:30 <appe> i kind of gave up on this make-my-own-grf idea. 07:04:43 <appe> it's ok. im really, really tired. 07:04:52 <Markk> Aw 07:05:09 <Markk> I woke up at 4.20 AM and was at work at 7 AM. 07:05:14 <appe> jesus 07:05:26 <appe> swedish time? or are you at home? :) 07:05:38 <Markk> Swedish time. 07:05:52 <appe> < Markk> Swedish meal time. 07:05:52 <appe> harr. 07:05:53 <appe> :D 07:05:55 <Markk> :D 07:06:03 <Markk> PRE DINNER MAYO 07:06:07 <Markk> It's good for you! 07:06:08 <appe> hehe 07:06:59 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has joined #openttd 07:15:12 <norbert79> Morning everyone. Just for your interest: Lovely pictures about New York, from 1941, IN COLOUR 07:15:13 <norbert79> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036932/New-York-City-photos-Charles-W-Cushman-reveal-1940s-life-Big-Apple.html 07:17:16 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-191-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:17:40 <pjpe> must be kodachrome film 07:17:50 <pjpe> always makes it look so colourful and happy 07:18:17 <norbert79> Exactly. Such ones are really rare, even for more western countries 07:18:26 <norbert79> Those used to be very expensive 07:18:46 <Markk> "The page you have requested does not exist or is no longer available." 07:18:58 <norbert79> I also enjoy such pictures and recordings, when the recording isa in colour yet colour film wasn't wiedely available :) 07:19:13 <norbert79> Markk: Must be an error on your side, pjpe can see them 07:19:51 <Markk> Ah, now I see. 07:20:19 <norbert79> You can almost feel the mood on those pictures. 07:24:11 <planetmaker> great photos 07:25:35 <V453000> makes me want to go back in time really 07:25:44 <V453000> true, there was no openttd at that time, but .. 07:26:07 <pjpe> you'd have more pressing concerns 07:26:18 <pjpe> mainly getting shot at 07:26:20 <pjpe> by soldiers 07:26:20 <norbert79> I wish sometimes also being able going back there just for a week or two, despite all the complications, like clothing, money, and such 07:26:59 <norbert79> pjpe: Those are from 1941, there was no regulations back in place, which forced everyone joining 07:27:09 <norbert79> US just got hit at Pearl Harbour 07:27:16 <pjpe> well i'm guessing he would be in germany 07:27:19 <pjpe> i mean 07:27:19 <pjpe> europe 07:27:34 <pjpe> unless we're all going back to 1940's new york 07:27:40 <pjpe> i'd rather go to 1940's toronto 07:27:41 <norbert79> 1941. Germany just attacked the UK, France taken, Jugoslavia, Barbarossa, Greece 07:27:46 <pjpe> do pretty much what i do now 07:28:17 <norbert79> And let's not forget about El Alamein 07:28:22 <norbert79> Toronto would be also nice 07:29:22 <norbert79> Damn you war, why do you spoil our time-travelling plans? :) 07:30:35 <pjpe> well as a canadian pretty much every time after 1945 would be good 07:30:37 <norbert79> What about the 1930's era? Booze just got banned... You can see Al Capone in person... 07:31:25 <norbert79> pjpe: Well, I would pick 1945.12.31 as date, since war is just over... 07:31:38 <norbert79> or Christmas of 1945 07:31:53 <pjpe> i could go to the 80's and meet my parents! 07:32:12 <pjpe> i mean before they had kids 07:32:15 <pjpe> when they were cool 07:32:18 *** Firzen [~Neon@dslb-178-004-191-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:32:31 <norbert79> lol? "i mean before they had kids" - This means you :) 07:32:38 <pjpe> yeppp 07:32:46 <planetmaker> sure you'd find it 'cool'? 07:32:48 <pjpe> kids kinda cramp your cool 07:33:06 <norbert79> pjpe: I am also a father of 2, and I still get around OK I guess. Nah, they don't. Being a proud father of an 11 year old and a 3 month old 07:33:31 <pjpe> that's what you think 07:33:41 <pjpe> when's the last time you walked in to a club and everyone stopped and turned 07:33:45 <planetmaker> 'cool' in a kid's eyes is entirely different from 'cool' in a parent's eyes. Even when they're 20 years younger 07:34:21 <norbert79> planetmaker: Well, luckily my son thinks different. He enjoys the time we play together on the console, and we share lot of common things. 07:34:52 <norbert79> planetmaker: Not many kids can call their parents geeks, and so we are both :D 07:34:59 <norbert79> pjpe: "stopped and turned" ? What do you mean by that? 07:35:25 <pjpe> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7h-Igawp5Y 07:35:51 <norbert79> pjpe: Explanation would be easier for me, youtube is kinda edgy at the place where I sit atm. 07:36:03 <planetmaker> that doesn't contradict my statement really, norbert79 ;-) 07:36:47 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-178-004-191-140.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:36:47 <pjpe> because you're so cool that everyone's heads turn 07:36:49 <norbert79> planetmaker: Aw, come on, I even understand those Anime my son is watching. :) 07:37:13 <norbert79> pjpe: Why does this count? I mean I never really wanted to be cool, I always just wanted to be myself. 07:37:15 <planetmaker> understand != think it's cool 07:37:48 <norbert79> pjpe: Never really cared for what others think, and if I looked for directions, I have always asked. 07:38:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:38:22 <norbert79> pjpe: I am not critisizing, I just try to really understand, why is this so important being so cool, that everyone turns back? 07:38:36 <pjpe> nothing i wasn't being very serious 07:38:48 <norbert79> pjpe: I see 07:39:36 *** Elukka [Elukka@89-166-103-135.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 07:39:39 <planetmaker> norbert79: one doesn't need an airconditioning when one is soooo cool :-P 07:40:01 <norbert79> planetmaker: Lol... 07:40:19 <norbert79> planetmaker: Good for one during summertime. 07:40:33 <planetmaker> depends on the level of coolness :-P 07:40:58 <norbert79> planetmaker: well worst case one will apply for a job as CPU cooler 07:41:16 <pjpe> http://blog.wolfram.com/2011/09/15/from-pi-to-puzzles/ 07:41:16 <pjpe> NERD 07:41:26 <planetmaker> that's an understatement ;-) Coolhouse maintainer :-P 07:42:32 <norbert79> pjpe: Nerd, indeed, but such nerds are employed by highly advanced scientific teams/companies. :) 07:42:55 <norbert79> pjpe: Besides, without Math OpenTTD couldn't also exist :P 07:43:24 <pjpe> when i was that age i was doing more important and cooler things 07:43:25 <pjpe> like 07:43:27 <pjpe> watching star trek 07:43:36 <norbert79> pjpe: So did I.. Go on... 07:43:47 <pjpe> and now i'm in comp sci and probably a nerd 07:43:51 <pjpe> who would have guessed 07:44:31 <norbert79> pjpe: Be proud of it, because you can call yourself lucky being employed at the one thing you are good at. 07:45:00 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:45:46 <norbert79> pjpe: Besides, knowing Star Trek by heart isn't a bad thing either. Thanks to Star Trek Motorola was the first phone-maker, who designed the first shell-like phones, the same like seen in TOS 07:46:57 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.237] has joined #openttd 07:47:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 07:47:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B736BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:47:56 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B736BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:48:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:49:19 <Markk> Here are some more colour pictures: http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholmsfotografier_d%C3%A5_och_nu_i_f%C3%A4rg 07:51:04 <Markk> They varies from the 1920's to 1960's for the pictures to the left and then the same place today. 07:51:19 <norbert79> Markk: Nice one, thank you 07:52:06 <norbert79> Markk: When did Sweden switch between left and right side driving? 07:52:17 <Markk> It's Stockholm in Sweden, and the text is in Swedish as well, but if you want to understand anything of it you can use this link instead: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=de&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsv.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FStockholmsfotografier_d%25C3%25A5_och_nu_i_f%25C3%25A4rg&act=url 07:52:25 <Markk> norbert79: 1967. 07:52:31 <norbert79> Markk: I see, thank you 07:52:32 <Markk> norbert79: 3 of September I think. 07:52:54 <Markk> uh, thttp://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsv.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FStockholmsfotografier_d%25C3%25A5_och_nu_i_f%25C3%25A4rg 07:52:58 <Markk> That's in english. :D 07:53:02 <Markk> The first one was in German. 07:53:09 <norbert79> I am fine with both :) 07:53:13 <norbert79> Thank you 07:53:17 <Markk> No problem. :) 07:53:19 <Markk> have fun! 07:53:25 <norbert79> Sure, cheers 07:53:46 <Markk> It's quite interesting to see how much (or little) that have changed over the past decade. 07:54:14 <norbert79> Markk: While I watch these pictures, I think I rather have the perfect song to them: FC Kahuna - Hayling 07:54:30 <norbert79> Markk: You will find it on Youtube for sure... :) 07:55:15 <Markk> :) 07:55:20 <Markk> I'm listening to it right now. 07:55:26 *** appe [appe@noskapin.krot.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:55:27 <Markk> And yeah, i can see what you're meaning. 07:58:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19AFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:01:27 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B736BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:01:39 <norbert79> Oh my god Eddi got cloned... :) 08:01:45 *** appe [appe@noskapin.krot.se] has joined #openttd 08:02:57 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 08:03:30 <Markk> norbert79: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH5bL_XbO64 08:03:43 <Markk> norbert79: That's another song that fits moments like this perfect. 08:05:07 <norbert79> Markk: Hmm, a bit too 'fast', it's not for 'still life', but it would rather sound good on the street, while cars are passing by 08:05:18 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B736BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:05:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:05:34 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:05:51 <Markk> Yes, I found this song through a cool video. 08:05:55 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 08:05:58 <Markk> But I can't seem to find the video atm. :/ 08:06:10 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:10:49 *** appe [appe@noskapin.krot.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:25:01 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B736BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:25:28 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B736BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:32:13 *** DDR [~DDR@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: In democracy it's your vote that counts; In feudalism it's your count that votes. - Mogens Jallberg] 08:32:52 <Diablo-D3> argh 08:44:24 <planetmaker> hm... I should be able to jump an action 1 and 2, shouldn't I? 08:44:27 <planetmaker> and 3 08:45:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:50:22 *** appe [appe@noskapin.krot.se] has joined #openttd 08:52:25 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@94.142.234.1] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:52:52 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b29.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:37 <Yexo> planetmaker: no, only 3 09:13:01 <Yexo> although openttd will allow you to skip an action 2, ttdpatch will crash according to the wiki if you try that 09:14:24 <planetmaker> hm... ok... let's see 09:14:44 <planetmaker> my ogfxe_extra doesn't behave as it should either. Or I have a wrong action7 09:16:14 <planetmaker> in any case I need to skip action0 :-) 09:19:14 *** Devroush|2 [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:19:16 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:19:31 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:28:07 *** Dilandau [Dilandau@ALagny-153-1-91-107.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:30:23 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-052-002.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:32:40 *** appe [appe@noskapin.krot.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33:38 *** Chris_Booth [53d9a528@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:34:15 <Chris_Booth> I keep getting 504's from www.openttd.org 09:34:48 <planetmaker> yes, you're not alone with that 09:35:08 <planetmaker> unfortunately, I have to say 09:35:44 <Chris_Booth> lol, you poor people. your get just die? or something more major? 09:37:35 <Chris_Booth> that makes less than no sense lol, let me try again 09:37:45 <Chris_Booth> lol, you poor people. your server just die? or something more major? 09:37:47 *** appe [appe@80.252.175.216] has joined #openttd 09:38:08 <planetmaker> actually neither. But something not configured somewhere as it should 09:38:25 <planetmaker> and currently people who can fix it are sleeping ;-) 09:39:01 <Chris_Booth> aah, so they are either lazy or from the otherside of the world 09:40:55 <planetmaker> neither I'd say 09:43:58 <Chris_Booth> :O 09:44:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.189.27] has joined #openttd 09:46:04 *** Chris_Booth [53d9a528@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:46:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:46:48 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 09:46:59 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/578/ <-- is there anywhere where I go wrong, Yexo ? It still seems to use the 5-sprite way for OpenTTD 1.1.0? Interesting stuff in lines 295+ 09:50:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.189.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:54:52 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 09:55:12 <Eddi|zuHause> <Elukka> http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z113/Elucca/Art%20and%20stuff/prussiantrain.png <-- now that looks very nice indeed 09:56:21 <Diablo-D3> heh 09:56:24 <Diablo-D3> a 28 tile long station 09:56:46 <norbert79> planetmaker: Direct IP call for the webpage ends up in Not found. Looks like the hosting side has some issues. 09:57:30 <MNIM> only 28? 09:57:45 <MNIM> my XL station is usually 29 (with buffer, lol) 09:57:47 <Noldo> what is Direct IP call? 09:57:57 <planetmaker> no DNS 09:58:06 <norbert79> Noldo: Instead of writing: http://openttd.org but http://178.33.34.239 09:58:23 <MNIM> though I haven't built one in a while as Ive been playing mountainous games lately 09:58:38 <Diablo-D3> MNIM: well i turned it up to 4x the default 09:58:52 <Noldo> if there are virtual hosts that is completely different address 09:59:01 <planetmaker> but that might due to the proxy not having a webserver ;-) 09:59:30 <planetmaker> and there's such different VM, yes 09:59:36 <^Spike^> i guess more the proxy not having a index.html pm ;) 10:00:22 <planetmaker> I don't know what it has or has not in detail. But I'm sure it has as little as feasible ;-) 10:00:31 <norbert79> planetmaker: Either way, noone can access the site, even if sub-domain or sub-ip or whatever. :) 10:00:45 <planetmaker> oh, bug tracker works ;-) 10:01:01 <planetmaker> as does wiki 10:01:07 <norbert79> planetmaker: Well, you can at least open up a bug on not being able accessing the site :D 10:01:19 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-72-134.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 10:01:24 <^Spike^> bug trackers work great for that ;) 10:01:28 <Eddi|zuHause> <norbert79> Morning everyone. Just for your interest: Lovely pictures about New York, from 1941, IN COLOUR <-- compare with "the other side" in colour: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31f_wZ01B5w 10:01:36 <^Spike^> or other systems... as we have @ ottdc ;) 10:02:20 <Diablo-D3> >alpine map 10:02:29 <Diablo-D3> >monkey sound from tropics 10:02:30 <Diablo-D3> wtf 10:03:03 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: I am very familiar with that timeframe of Germany, and I also have a 3 part series of colored war-recordings, which was done by private civilian individuals, and was in colour too. I also saw "Panorama", Goebbels last propaganda material too, yet I will take a look, it might be I have missed some :) 10:04:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: that train is only like 5 tiles 10:04:39 <norbert79> Eddi|zuHause: Thank you for the link! 10:04:57 *** appe [appe@80.252.175.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:05:06 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: what is? 10:05:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: from my link above 10:05:31 <Diablo-D3> no no 10:05:34 <Diablo-D3> my comment was unrelated 10:05:56 <Diablo-D3> so, Im using industrial stations renewal... which station do I deliver livestock to? 10:06:12 <Diablo-D3> it doesnt seem right that I deliver it to a livestock station, since the graphics wont trigger 10:10:35 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, I fear your conversation partner Elukka isn't around ;-) 10:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: whatever :) 10:12:13 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 10:12:58 <planetmaker> well, I just wanted to agree with your statement wrt that train... but a bit pointless when it doesn't reach the intended audience ;-) 10:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a common problem when your time zones are out of synch :) 10:13:35 <planetmaker> so... maybe we should start adding some graphics? Would that meanwhile work? 10:13:50 <planetmaker> or do we still have to decide on the wagon length? 10:13:58 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i'm not done employing the odd-length templates 10:14:15 <planetmaker> "odd-length"? 10:14:29 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0afbc7.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:14:29 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: when all artists are drawing for the 12lu-variant, there's not much point arguing against it 10:14:49 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: odd as in 5lu/7lu/9lu etc. 10:17:24 *** appe [appe@80.252.175.216] has joined #openttd 10:17:58 <planetmaker> hm, so 12lu for full-length wagons is decided? 10:18:17 <Eddi|zuHause> 26,5m wagons would be 13lu then 10:18:28 <planetmaker> that's a modern wagon length, right? 10:18:34 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 10:19:02 <Eddi|zuHause> ICE-TD heads are ~28m, so 14lu 10:19:07 <planetmaker> I tested the current cets a few days ago... what will be different with the <whatever> patches applied? 10:19:20 <Diablo-D3> man 10:19:32 <Diablo-D3> does anyone here use industrial station renewal? 10:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: the first notable patch will make the train window and group windows show always the --- view 10:20:43 <planetmaker> ah, ok 10:20:44 <Eddi|zuHause> the second notable effect will (currently) be with the 14-16lu wagons 10:21:00 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, are the patches somewhere linked / mentioned in a cets issue? 10:21:34 <Eddi|zuHause> the third notable effect will be that we slice up the sprites into 8lu parts, to make it less glitchy around bridges/tunnels/slopes, etc. 10:21:38 <planetmaker> If not... could you do me that favour :-) Like external dependency 10:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> but that part is not done yet 10:21:54 <Eddi|zuHause> need to check 10:22:03 <planetmaker> I didn't find it. But maybe I was just blind :-) 10:28:47 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@178-33-38-239.ovh.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29:18 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@178-33-38-239.ovh.net] has joined #openttd 10:29:22 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 10:33:25 <Diablo-D3> ugh 10:33:36 <Diablo-D3> does shit just cost dramatically more in the past? 10:33:55 <planetmaker> yeah. It was used as fertilizer back then 10:34:14 <Diablo-D3> hurr 10:34:27 <Diablo-D3> seriously, Im trying to start in 1870 10:34:30 <Diablo-D3> and I fail every time 10:37:16 <lugo> with inflation on or off? 10:38:31 <Diablo-D3> on 10:39:28 <planetmaker> well, then there'll be no inflation in 2040 anymore ;-) 10:41:05 <lugo> well some newgrfs such as ukrs and nars recommend inflation to be turned off, that might be your problem.. 10:41:12 <peter1138> hurrrr 10:41:23 <peter1138> i can't change my desktop wallpaper... cos it's win 7 starter... :S 10:41:53 <planetmaker> lugo, how and why would they recommend that? 10:42:47 <Diablo-D3> peter1138: just install debian. 10:43:27 <lugo> planetmaker: how: http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=NARS_Required_and_Recommended_Patch_settings why: dunno :) 10:47:34 <peter1138> hmm 10:47:44 <peter1138> OpenTTD 1.1.3 (Not Responding) 10:48:51 <peter1138> do we decompress the save game in the main thread? 10:48:57 <peter1138> (when joining a server) 10:56:59 <planetmaker> hm, I saw a certain peter join a certain server :-P 11:00:38 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-242-68-89.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 11:06:37 *** erik1984 [~erik1984@vhe-490300.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 11:17:36 <Diablo-D3> hrm, I must be blind 11:17:46 <Diablo-D3> I cant find leave station when any cargo is full 11:18:41 <planetmaker> 'full load any' 11:21:14 <peter1138> seems i fell off 11:23:34 <Diablo-D3> planetmaker: but theres no global setting for this? 11:26:05 <planetmaker> yes. we need definitely a global setting like 'now all vehicles should do <this>' 11:26:34 <planetmaker> please read the wiki about order menu 11:26:46 <Diablo-D3> yes Im already aware of the order menu 11:26:53 <Diablo-D3> since Ive been using for several years and all 11:27:09 <planetmaker> obviously you don't know it enough nor its short-cuts 11:27:23 <planetmaker> or you wouldn't have asked these questions 11:27:40 <planetmaker> But I forgot. You know everything already 11:27:47 <Diablo-D3> there are a few defaults in ottd, dude. 11:34:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:47:35 *** Devroush|2 [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 11:50:39 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has joined #openttd 11:53:13 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:53:21 *** perk111 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has joined #openttd 11:55:20 *** perk111 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has quit [] 11:55:37 *** perk111 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has joined #openttd 11:55:38 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19AFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20:00 <andythenorth> boom 12:22:21 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:9917:9096:d0c5:136d] has joined #openttd 12:22:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:42:20 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:43:47 *** Dilandau_ [Dilandau@ALagny-153-1-91-107.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:45:29 *** Dilandau [Dilandau@ALagny-153-1-91-107.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:46:30 *** Dilandau [~Dilandau@ALagny-153-1-91-107.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:51:28 <Eddi|zuHause> honestly, the timetable window could use a few settings about default values that the dropdown-buttons should have 12:51:49 *** Dilandau_ [Dilandau@ALagny-153-1-91-107.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:03 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e088.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:54:29 <Eddi|zuHause> "pirate party could get too big success: if it gets around 10% of the votes, the pirate party could get more mandates than it has people on its list. some recent polls show it at up to 9%" 12:55:12 <Noldo> what? 12:55:28 <Eddi|zuHause> regional elections in berlin 12:55:38 <Eddi|zuHause> this sunday, i think 12:56:34 *** Dilandau [~Dilandau@ALagny-153-1-91-107.w90-3.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:11 <planetmaker> I doubt it'll come to that big success 13:02:25 <planetmaker> The more is written about it now, the smaller the success ;-) 13:02:42 <MNIM> I dunno 13:03:01 <MNIM> I honestly admit I voted for them at the latest euro elections >.> 13:03:01 <planetmaker> In the community elections here last Sunday they made it into many town councils, too, though 13:03:23 <MNIM> personally I think that's where they'll make the biggest difference 13:03:36 <planetmaker> maybe. maybe not 13:03:50 <planetmaker> their grass-root approach is appealing 13:03:58 <MNIM> true 13:04:12 <MNIM> especially with how german and dutch politics work 13:05:18 <Eddi|zuHause> let's see if they make it above the 5% boundary. 13:05:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a very necessary step in the development of the party 13:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause> if they don't make it in berlin, i don't see how they could make it anywhere else 13:06:49 <MNIM> hmmhh, well, berlin isn't the only modern city with a relatively young populace in this continent 13:06:53 <planetmaker> Hamburg and Bremen might work out. But Hamburg just had election recently 13:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause> both hamburg and bremen voted recently 13:07:08 <planetmaker> MNIM, no, but it's a fedaral state in Gemrany on its own 13:07:23 <planetmaker> thus getting some power there gives some influence even at federal level 13:07:27 <MNIM> ah yes, forgot that little detail 13:07:27 <Eddi|zuHause> and the pirate party were around 2% each time 13:08:09 <Eddi|zuHause> since the euro election, pirate party was pretty stable around 2% 13:08:13 <MNIM> the pirate party is quite active in germany, isn't it? 13:08:22 <planetmaker> relatively, yes 13:08:32 <MNIM> I've even gotten flyers and all last time I was in germany 13:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> in all regional elections and the federal election 13:08:34 <planetmaker> it's still a small one 13:08:55 <planetmaker> But seems to be at the same level now as FDP :-P 13:08:59 <Eddi|zuHause> 2% is far away from the 5% mark that you need to get into a parliament 13:09:01 <MNIM> hahaha 13:09:22 <planetmaker> MNIM, well, indeed. They got on average in the local elections more than FDP here in lower saxony 13:09:25 <planetmaker> last Sunday 13:09:30 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's above the 1% mark that you need to get financial boost for the next election 13:09:42 <MNIM> that's at least a help 13:11:54 <MNIM> I wish them luck, really 13:12:21 <MNIM> getting into berlin would probably be national news, and would be a lot of free publicity for the whole country 13:12:30 <planetmaker> quite so 13:12:49 <MNIM> perhaps even europe, but then it'll need to be big indeed 13:13:49 <MNIM> at least in the netherlands german federal elections hit our news sometimes 13:15:12 <planetmaker> well. National elections in another EU country usually are in the news 13:15:43 <hanf> yeah I would imagine the bbc would report something like that 13:15:54 * planetmaker rarely listens to BBC... 13:16:20 <planetmaker> not that they're bad, they're actually usually very good. But it wouldn't be my national news ;-) 13:16:40 <MNIM> meh, national elections definately hit the news, but germany has a little more attention to the dutch news, being our closest and biggest trade partner and all 13:16:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly sure danish elections were in a lot of news yesterday or today 13:17:07 <hanf> I don't really have a choice :p I'm british 13:17:16 <MNIM> hmmmh, not in ours as far as Im aware 13:17:17 <planetmaker> oh, Dutch elections last time were more than 10s report, too 13:17:26 <peter1138> wow & lol... it's against the EULA of windows 7 starter to change the desktop background... 13:17:31 <planetmaker> I haven't heart much of Danish elections yesterday 13:17:40 <Diablo-D3> hrm 13:17:43 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: haha :p 13:17:59 <Diablo-D3> "remove car at end on engine upgrade" should automatically add/remove cabooses and break vans 13:18:08 <MNIM> ah yes, our latest national elections. they were a bit of an election, yes, but not quite like the belgians can do it! 13:18:24 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: and how do you suggest the game should figure out what a caboose is? 13:18:37 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: have a flag for it :D 13:18:48 <MNIM> what does that function actually do? 13:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean: Diablo-D3 how do you propose adjusting callback 18 to make any sense 13:19:06 <MNIM> well, obviously it removes a car, but why and how? 13:19:07 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: honestly, I'd rather have nars and urks let me turn it off 13:19:20 <Diablo-D3> it seems to be the easier solution 13:19:32 <Diablo-D3> because the engines that need it should just make it part of the engine 13:19:38 <Diablo-D3> because we have double ended engines 13:19:43 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: callback 18 is the "AI train construction" callback 13:20:05 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: yes, but I am not an AI, and even I dont quite get it 13:20:21 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: caboose/brake van is usually not necessary on very short train 13:20:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: automatic wagon removal is quite an AI task 13:20:59 <Diablo-D3> Im using long trains, and it bitches that I dont have one installed 13:21:07 <Diablo-D3> and nars and ukrs2 arent cross compatible 13:21:18 <Eddi|zuHause> why should they... 13:21:20 <Diablo-D3> so if I have a break van, I have to switch to a caboose on engine change 13:21:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 13:21:29 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: well, the wiki implies they recognize each other 13:24:57 <Diablo-D3> Eddi|zuHause: Im all for realism and such, but bleh. 13:25:25 <V453000> *_* 13:29:02 <Eddi|zuHause> Content Industry says: Illegal downloads caused deadly accidents on belgian festival 13:29:05 <MNIM> http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/1/1/2248324/OTTD/Minhill%20Transport%2C%2022nd%20Mar%201945.png 13:29:31 <MNIM> the steam loc toils up the mountain range to haul another load of coal to fuel the steel mill. 13:29:46 <Eddi|zuHause> server not found 13:31:17 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/10561935/___Pukkelpop_door_piraterij___.html 13:32:13 <MNIM> odd 13:32:18 <MNIM> it resolves for me 13:32:40 <MNIM> rrrrriiiiiiight 13:32:43 *** erik1984 [~erik1984@vhe-490300.sshn.net] has quit [Quit: Doei!] 13:33:01 <Diablo-D3> MNIM: I wonder how many people play that way 13:33:08 <Diablo-D3> instead of just brutally cutting through mountains 13:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Diablo-D3: ever checked the screenshot forum? 13:33:30 <Diablo-D3> no 13:33:30 <planetmaker> MNIM, the empty roads are... dull 13:33:31 <MNIM> actually, a large part of that mountain range is created actually for that purpose 13:33:37 <planetmaker> Just let the town grow ;-) 13:33:54 <MNIM> Im more of a sandbox model trains player :P 13:34:02 <MNIM> I know, planetmaker 13:34:07 <planetmaker> and the track set... could use some snow improvement 13:34:19 <MNIM> the town is hardly a year old 13:34:34 <MNIM> so no bus service is put up yet 13:35:33 <planetmaker> which roads are those? TTRS? 13:35:38 <MNIM> yeap 13:35:54 <MNIM> they're not compatible with opengfx+ alpine climate 13:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't like TTRS for large number of reasons 13:36:00 <MNIM> or well, they mismatch 13:38:48 <V453000> well, there are many newGRFs that wont like if you use landscape replacements :) 13:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why i use a hacked alpine set and default roads 13:41:03 <MNIM> yeah, but you've pretty much made most of 'em >.> 13:42:12 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 13:42:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Saudi Arabia says: if USA veto creation of palestine state, they cancel cooperation with the USA 13:43:30 <norbert79> No wonder, Izrael was cut off from Palestina, now they even don't consider Palestina as a country anymore... 13:43:42 <norbert79> No wonder SA is angry 13:45:21 <Eddi|zuHause> context: after years of failed talks with israel about forming a palestine state, palestine authorities announced that they will ask UN to accept creation of palestine state without israel's consent, towards end of september 2011. 13:51:59 <Eddi|zuHause> as far as i heard, there is an alternative to the full UN membership, which would have to go through security council, where they apply for a lesser "non-membership state with observer rights" (a status similar to vatican's), which "only" has to be accepted by the general assembly 13:52:04 <perk111> can someone tell me if there is any overflow depot working with pf.yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol set to off? 13:52:33 <Eddi|zuHause> perk111: yes, i think you can do some magic with exit signals 13:53:57 <perk111> Eddi|zuHause: http://blog.openttdcoop.org/files/blog/V453000/_Overflow03.png you mean this one? 13:54:30 <perk111> I spent 3 hours trying to find any working configuration :( 13:54:43 <Diablo-D3> meh 13:54:52 * Diablo-D3 ponders ditching nars and ukrs 13:54:54 <Eddi|zuHause> perk111: could be 13:55:13 <Diablo-D3> the vastly different sizes of engines makes automated play too difficult 13:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause> perk111: the trick is that firstred_exit_penalty is significantly higher than depot_reverse_penalty 13:56:01 <perk111> so? 13:58:38 <Belugas> hello 13:58:43 <Belugas> up? 13:59:05 <planetmaker> hi Belugas 14:06:17 <Eddi|zuHause> perk111: i think this should work: www.informatik.uni-halle/~krause/Unnamed,%2017.%20Maer%201922.png 14:06:28 <perk111> can't opent the link 14:06:36 <Eddi|zuHause> bÀh 14:06:41 <perk111> Could not locate remote server 14:06:42 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Unnamed,%2017.%20Maer%201922.png 14:07:08 <perk111> Eddi|zuHause: thanks, I'll give it a try 14:08:28 *** Diablo-D3 [~diablo@pool-70-16-75-198.port.east.myfairpoint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:12:22 <perk111> Eddi|zuHause: it seems to work, thanks a lot 14:19:31 *** erik1984 [~erik1984@vhe-490300.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 14:20:58 <MNIM> Oh, I think I know what the cause of not working links is 14:21:03 <MNIM> at least in my case 14:21:25 <MNIM> why the hell does OTTD put commas in a filename? 14:21:33 <__ln__> why not? 14:21:41 <PeanutHorst> beacuse it's bad form? 14:22:02 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22:04 <__ln__> if it's bad form, it wouldn't work at all. 14:22:15 <MNIM> it doesn't, that's the issue! 14:22:15 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 14:22:42 <__ln__> i don't see anything non-working. 14:23:36 <MNIM> oh yeah? try this link. 14:23:36 <MNIM> http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/1/1/2248324/OTTD/Minhill%20Transport%2C%2022nd%20Mar%201945.png 14:23:43 <MNIM> then this link. 14:23:44 <MNIM> http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/1/1/2248324/OTTD/Minhill%20Transport%20-%2022nd%20Mar%201945.png 14:23:45 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:23:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:24:07 <MNIM> same file, only difference is replacing ', ' with ' - ' 14:24:54 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has joined #openttd 14:27:11 <Eddi|zuHause> how is that our fault? 14:28:07 <MNIM> well, somebody decided that screenprints should be stored as $companyname", "$date 14:28:14 <MNIM> (.png) 14:28:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you can change that, i believe 14:29:59 <MNIM> all I know of that can be changed is the date format 14:31:02 <Eddi|zuHause> btw. you should enable "check timetables: all except stopped vehicles" 14:32:44 <MNIM> train 5? 14:32:55 <MNIM> that's supposed to be a little historical exhibit :P 14:36:22 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, nothing wrong with that 14:36:32 <Eddi|zuHause> just wanted to help you get rid of that annoying message 14:38:25 <MNIM> ah 14:38:28 <MNIM> oh, like that 14:38:46 <MNIM> where do I look for that, btw? 14:39:04 <Eddi|zuHause> in advanced settings->vehicles->timetables or something 14:40:14 <MNIM> hmmmh, I don't have a timetables subfolder 14:42:59 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Advanced_Settings/Vehicles#Review_vehicle.27s_orders 14:49:02 <MNIM> oh, I take it you have to dig into the config for that? 14:49:55 <MNIM> hmmmh 14:49:57 <MNIM> oh wait 14:50:03 <MNIM> excuse my blindness. 14:50:23 <MNIM> I keep looking over settings in the advanced settings window! 14:53:29 *** Pulec [~pulec@static-cl093181068250.unet.cz] has joined #openttd 14:55:45 <Belugas> #Son, he said, Grabs your things I'm gonna take you home 14:55:57 <Belugas> hello planetmaker :) 14:57:01 <Belugas> mmh... "I've come to take you home", rather 14:57:20 *** loopcoop [~loopcoop@a-84-21.sc.andrews.edu] has joined #openttd 14:59:09 *** Br33z4hSlut5 [~static.kp@92.68.154.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:19 <Rubidium> Belugas: how? I'm already home 14:59:42 <Alberth> that's makes his Belugas' task trivial :) 14:59:54 <Alberth> s/his// 15:00:02 <planetmaker> :-D 15:03:29 <MNIM> 0-o 15:03:30 <Belugas> Alberth, you' sure? I still have to get there to be sure he's indeed home... 15:03:40 <Belugas> and that ain't trivial in my case! 15:04:02 <Alberth> MNIM: you can read the config file instead of the advanced settings gui. 15:04:15 <MNIM> yeah, I found it already 15:04:51 <Alberth> Belugas: so you are lying? "I've come to ..." ? 15:05:08 <Alberth> sorry, have been reading too many math proofs, I guess :) 15:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: tell us when you arrive, and we can have an r<whatever> party then :p 15:13:07 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:22 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@deibp9eh1--blueice1n2.emea.ibm.com] has quit [Quit: Exit stage left...] 15:15:41 <Eddi|zuHause> "if you ask facebook to send you all data they store on you (which they are legally required to do, if you are european citizen, âSection 4 DPAâ / âArt. 12 Directive 95/46/EGâ), and you insist hard enough, they send you a CD with a PDF up to 500MB 15:15:43 *** perk111 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:16:24 <planetmaker> :-D 15:16:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe11c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:16:58 <Eddi|zuHause> https://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=data_requests 15:19:21 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 15:24:31 <Belugas> Alberth : yup, quite:) I was singing, rather ;) 15:24:50 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause : make it instead a B and M party ;) 15:24:56 <Belugas> lots of B 15:26:10 <Rubidium> bugs and molds? 15:27:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that depends on your home :p 15:28:49 <Rubidium> haven't spotted bugs or molds lately within my home 15:31:38 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> we tend to have lots of spiders 15:33:30 <Belugas> not quite even close :) 15:34:09 <Belugas> Note that the B can be the same as insects, + a R ;) 15:38:40 <Alberth> Belugas: I am afraid you'd have to come here to explain it in person ;) 15:40:05 <Belugas> ... 15:40:08 <Belugas> BEES 15:40:11 <Belugas> BEERS 15:40:30 <Belugas> now, find out the M part! 15:40:35 <Belugas> no, it's not MEN 15:52:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19AFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:53:40 *** erik1984 [~erik1984@vhe-490300.sshn.net] has quit [Quit: Doei!] 16:02:45 <appe> what is the best way to make a city happy? 16:03:21 <V453000> magic dozer 16:04:31 <PeanutHorst> bribe 'em 16:10:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe11c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:14:28 <Eddi|zuHause> build a busy bus/tram network 16:14:49 <Belugas> build a fair 16:18:47 <Belugas> and - no joke - plant trees 16:18:52 <Belugas> cities LOVE trees 16:24:33 *** loopcoop [~loopcoop@a-84-21.sc.andrews.edu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:31:42 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has joined #openttd 16:38:12 <Eddi|zuHause> "since the explosion in the southern french nuclear waste facility, radiation measurements have increased up to factor 10" 16:38:37 *** Biolunar_ [~mahdi@blfd-4d08f921.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:44 <planetmaker> so they measure 10x as often? 16:42:02 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure that's what they meant. how else can they announce that no radiation has been released, and there is no danger for employees and residents. well. other than the one that died. 16:44:58 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e088.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:21 <planetmaker> :-) 16:48:33 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 16:50:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... steam offers portal for free 16:50:30 <appe> http://gyazo.com/8de960a20d97425e624493fa9fd2ad11.png 16:50:52 <appe> got tip'? :) 16:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause> other than "don't use maglev for cargo"? 16:51:46 <appe> really? 16:51:51 <V453000> wtf tip is that :D 16:51:54 <appe> how's that? :) 16:52:05 <Eddi|zuHause> a not-v-compatible tip :p 16:52:26 <Eddi|zuHause> if you tell people to not use PBS, i can tell people to not use maglev. 16:52:39 <V453000> certainly but you dont have any reasons for it 16:52:43 <V453000> while I do 16:53:00 <appe> i dont really understand why not to use maglev, but.. it's rather boring. 16:53:02 <Eddi|zuHause> first and foremost, maglev looks ugly 16:53:10 <appe> the normal railway trains are fantasticly more fun 16:53:17 <V453000> cosmetic, matter of choice, I like how it looks for instance 16:53:32 <Eddi|zuHause> second, conversion is annoying 16:53:38 <Eddi|zuHause> third, it's "unrealistic" 16:54:19 <V453000> conversion can be solved either by starting late, or using universal engine 16:54:27 <V453000> unrealistic is not a reason but a proof of no reason 16:55:06 <appe> real men do never convert. 16:55:31 <Eddi|zuHause> real men use a butterfly for conversion. err... wait... :p 16:57:16 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... how do i tell KDE to associate the "steam:" protocol with "wine steam.exe"? 16:57:47 *** douknoukem [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-115-20.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 16:57:54 <Eddi|zuHause> so i can click on the "steam://install/400" link 16:59:39 <Eddi|zuHause> for everyone else not having played a 5 year old game yet: http://store.steampowered.com/app/400/ (available for free until 20th september) 17:00:06 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, 4 years... 17:07:38 <appe> can i remove industries in some way? 17:08:41 <planetmaker> magic bulldozer 17:09:14 * planetmaker wonders whether conversion from rail to e-rail is 'unrealistic' 17:10:33 <appe> where do i find the setting? 17:10:43 <Eddi|zuHause> in the cheat window 17:11:20 <appe> sweet jesus. do you know how many years ive played this without knowing about this. 17:12:12 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: /me clicks install 17:12:42 <valhallasw> thanks for the link 17:13:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:18:53 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.146] has joined #openttd 17:19:22 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: fourth, there is no maglev available in the timespan "I'm" playing? 17:20:13 <Eddi|zuHause> true, last time i played up to that time, was in 2005-ish ;) 17:21:08 <Eddi|zuHause> although i did prepare a track for a proposed maglev line in my last game, i just didn't get that far 17:22:49 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, when i watch "Ringer" and constantly think "when are the vampires jumping out", what am i doing wrong? :) 17:24:21 <valhallasw> hmm. "disk space required: 6GB. disk space available: 2GB". No portal for me -_- 17:26:26 <Rubidium> valhallasw: remove 4GB worth of OpenTTD savegames? 17:28:31 <planetmaker> that'd be A LOT savegames 17:29:20 <Eddi|zuHause> 1362848 save/ 17:29:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i should probably check that out :p 17:31:17 <valhallasw> Rubidium: nah, it's just steam being annoying: steam is installed on my windows drive, and I just don't have much space there 17:31:45 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: for every game remove all but the latest save 17:32:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: how boring ;) 17:32:35 <Alberth> oh, you want more exciting? ok, remove 90% of the files by random 17:33:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:33:41 <Rubidium> or, even more exiting: fill 90% of the blocks of the directory with random data 17:33:54 <andythenorth> fill 90% of openttd trunk with random data? 17:33:59 <andythenorth> that's never going to work 17:34:17 <andythenorth> you could tell them it's 'underground metro' though 17:34:43 <Alberth> who says current code is not random data? 17:35:11 * andythenorth wonders what the signal versus noise ratio is on trunk 17:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause> languages tend to have high redundancy 17:43:40 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-72-134.as43234.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:55:31 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest10563 17:55:31 *** Guest10563 [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:31 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:55:31 *** andythenorth_ is now known as andythenorth 18:02:28 <andythenorth> is there a YACD build compatible with FIRS 0.7.0 beta? 18:02:51 <Yexo> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=56482 maybe this one? 18:02:58 <Yexo> what nightly does FIRS require? 18:03:10 <Eddi|zuHause> very recent 18:03:25 <andythenorth> not sure 18:03:43 <andythenorth> I pull every few days, so it usually just works for me 18:03:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think yacd itself is new enough, but the inofficial update should be 18:05:44 <Terkhen> I don't think so, maybe Foobar's build is 18:10:27 *** loopcoop [~loopcoop@a-84-21.sc.andrews.edu] has joined #openttd 18:14:47 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:18:42 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:08 *** loopcoop [~loopcoop@a-84-21.sc.andrews.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has joined #openttd 18:31:57 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-72-134.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 18:43:55 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:46:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19AFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:27 <Eddi|zuHause> "sony plans to ban everybody from PSN who does not waive the right to sue over future security breaches" 19:12:08 <planetmaker> lol? 19:13:03 <appe> i dont get it. i fail to see what the difference of train power is 19:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause> "only chatters can formulate laughing as a question" 19:20:56 <Alberth> It took a while to realize both comments by Eddi were not about the same subject :) 19:21:24 <Alberth> train power? 19:21:55 <Belugas> flower power? 19:22:13 <Alberth> I have heard about that :) 19:22:25 <Belugas> hehehe 19:33:54 *** zachanima [~zach@0x52b41806.static.bcbnet.dk] has joined #openttd 19:34:04 *** zachanima [~zach@0x52b41806.static.bcbnet.dk] has left #openttd [] 19:42:54 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19AFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:06 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:41 *** hanf [~Klaus@host-89-242-68-89.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:02:28 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:04:11 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:05:20 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c6529BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 20:07:05 *** snorre [~snorre@c6529BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:17 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:09:13 *** pjpe [ade6a119@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 20:23:32 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-81-33.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 20:25:12 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has joined #openttd 20:27:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:33:17 *** perk11 [~perk11@188.255.47.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:35:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc15-aztw25-2-0-cust3.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:35:16 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-175-247.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:43:27 *** JVassie [~James@2.25.210.146] has joined #openttd 20:51:22 <Terkhen> good night 21:01:42 <appe> irc.oftc.net 21:01:45 <appe> oops 21:01:58 <appe> http://gyazo.com/6ff280ba3dc057c5cabff60d581bfcc6.png 21:04:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm asking every time what a "gay zoo" is... 21:05:17 <planetmaker> "is doch klar..." http://fickzoo.com/ 21:06:05 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, in combination with fonso's avatar, that makes some sense :p 21:07:18 <planetmaker> with emphasis on 'some' 21:08:50 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO3FuucyUCo 21:27:45 *** z-MaTRiX [~matrix@index.linuxsecured.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:49 <z-MaTRiX> Ä¥ 21:37:43 <MNIM> dude, are all those water pump stations? 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I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 22:42:39 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.27.160] has quit [] 22:45:35 *** Adambean [AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 22:47:09 *** KenjiE20 [~Kenji@host-92-8-72-134.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:02:02 <appe> guys, found a bug. 23:02:02 <appe> http://gyazo.com/2a4e16e69f712540963f6a6fdf72bfda.png 23:02:18 <appe> busses killed by evil train apparently makes bridges go transparent. 23:04:45 <planetmaker> please produce a test case (i.e. a savegame where we wait a few days to see that) 23:05:37 <planetmaker> to me it looks like the normal transparency option turned to invisible 23:08:30 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe93dd00-34.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 23:13:31 <appe> oops 23:13:33 <appe> my bad. 23:13:34 <appe> :) 23:21:39 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@tunnel3304.ipv6.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19AFA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:35:23 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@nsc.ciup.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:42:50 *** bryjen [~bryjen@76.92.84.107] has joined #openttd