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00:05:32  <Eddi|zuHause>  <andythenorth> articulated cb was an issue with duplicate files in my local repo <-- didn't i say you were modifying the wrong file?
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00:19:03  <Zmapper> Hello
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00:34:17  <Eddi|zuHause> "Japanese government report discovers: Fukushima was not prepared for the catastrophe!"
00:35:13  <glx> that's not surprising
00:35:24  <Eddi|zuHause> DUH!
00:37:07  <glx> looking how tepco reacted after the catastrophe
00:39:00  <Eddi|zuHause> "i'm sick of japanese managers having no clue and apologizing. a german manager wouldn't have a clue either, but he would NEVER apologize!"
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00:59:07  <Wolf01> 'night
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04:21:59  <athief> anyone not idle? have a question
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08:37:30  <andythenorth> hmm
08:37:38  <andythenorth> lego fans oftentimes are idiots
08:37:40  <andythenorth> also
08:37:41  <andythenorth> morning
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08:53:56  * TWerkhoven[l] still has a big box of it somewhere at his dads place
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09:06:21  <Terkhen> good morning
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10:02:26  <Eddi|zuHause>  <andythenorth> articulated cb was an issue with duplicate files in my local repo <-- didn't i say you were modifying the wrong file?
10:02:55  <andythenorth> yup
10:03:01  <andythenorth> you get cookies :P
10:03:20  <andythenorth> wood, trees etc
10:03:39  <Ammler> christmas cookies?
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10:24:17  <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: so...what classes should FIRS set for sugar cane? :)
10:24:26  <andythenorth> I have an answer, but I'm testing it....
10:24:52  <Terkhen> bitmask(CC_SUGAR, CC_CANE)
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10:37:31  <Wolf01> 'morning
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10:57:09  <Alberth> good afternoon :)
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12:13:45  <Eddi|zuHause> dbg: [grf] [newgrf/test/firs.grf:7654] IndustriesChangeInfo: newid 42 <-- that should probably not be in debug level 1
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12:15:06  <TrueBrain> as long as it is not at level 0, *shrug*
12:15:23  <Eddi|zuHause> it's really spammy and really out of place
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12:15:37  <Eddi|zuHause> and each entry is repeated like 20 time
12:15:39  <Eddi|zuHause> s
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12:16:57  <TrueBrain> dont enable debug :D
12:16:58  <TrueBrain> hihihihi
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13:40:47  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23676 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#4913] (r23412): when removing road stops the wrong tile was checked for updating the infrastructure cache
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13:41:38  <insulfrog> hi
13:42:06  <Terkhen> hi insulfrog
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13:42:53  * insulfrog is thinking what to talk about today :)
13:47:40  <insulfrog> you know the extra zoom points, I think if the openttd was run in a lower resolition at 'full screen mode' with the extra vew points, the graphics will look absolutly massive :p
13:51:32  <Eddi|zuHause> so?
13:52:16  <TrueBrain> next you will say that playing TT on an old machine looks absolutely massive
13:52:52  <insulfrog> and indeed they do...640x480 at full screen + full extra zoom = OMG :p
13:53:30  <insulfrog> (you can see every single pixel :D
13:53:34  <insulfrog> )
13:54:20  <Eddi|zuHause> if you can't see every single pixel on 1920x1080 and normal zoom, you should probably visit an optrician
13:55:22  <Eddi|zuHause> (pixels on modern screens are only marginally smaller than pixels on 1995 screens)
13:57:20  <insulfrog> (i mean every 'drawn' pixel, not physical pixel)
13:57:55  <insulfrog> feels like a 1990s dos game
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14:05:37  <insulfrog> oops, wrong button
14:07:44  <Alberth> We don't mind you pressing the 'join' button :p
14:08:10  <insulfrog> no, I closed the irc client by mistake :p
14:08:51  <TrueBrain> he thought the X was for Xtra you know
14:09:05  <insulfrog> nope...>_>
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14:13:33  <insulfrog> brb
14:15:45  <andythenorth> hm
14:15:56  <andythenorth> is there any point to a 3t truck in game?
14:16:06  * andythenorth thinks not
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14:17:27  <Terkhen> supplies
14:20:00  * andythenorth provides a 4t truck
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14:30:21  <insulfrog> im back
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15:08:22  <andythenorth> hmm
15:08:33  <andythenorth> do I restrict trucks to real world speed limits?
15:08:49  <andythenorth> probably not
15:10:32  <Ammler> that's part of raodtype
15:10:52  <peter1138> only when the law enforcement module is installed
15:10:58  <Ammler> :-)
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15:12:58  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23677 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#4909]: invalidate AI Parameters window when changing AI
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15:18:20  <andythenorth> what are roadtypes? :o
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15:25:49  <TrueBrain> RT_ROAD, RT_TRAM
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15:29:56  <Eddi|zuHause> anyone has a sane way to test vehicle availability dates?
15:30:08  <Eddi|zuHause> the year cheat is... suboptimal...
15:31:04  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: truebrain * r23678 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Fix: close the editbox of settings when changing an AI, to avoid invalid memory read/write (reported by SmatZ)
15:32:33  <peter1138> hm
15:33:46  <Eddi|zuHause> err... feature request: when using the year cheat, close all prototype offers...
15:38:06  <TrueBrain> lol
15:39:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't understand the year cheat... some vehicles are removed from the purchase list properly, but others are not
15:40:08  <Eddi|zuHause> when using resetengines, they're gone
15:40:14  <TrueBrain> dont cheat :D
15:40:30  <TrueBrain> sorry, I am trolling :(
15:50:36  <Zuu> TrueBrain: In case you have nothing to do: GS-API to slowly scroll the main viewport from current location to some tile. Eg. for moving from town A to town B while still allowing the user to see where they are going.
15:50:51  <Eddi|zuHause> dbg: [grf] Unhandled industry tile variable 0x7C <-- that's probably also wrong for debug level 1
15:51:39  <Eddi|zuHause> debug level 1 should not have repeated output...
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15:58:29  <Rubidium> but the NewGRF shouldn't repeatedly use unknown variables
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16:21:12  <Alberth> Zuu: perhaps add clicking at airport/station to see cargoes, and/or at aircraft to see its contents?
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16:31:02  <Zuu> Alberth: At the end? Sounds good
16:39:16  <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: no idea what variable that's supposed to be
16:42:11  <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: persistent storage
16:43:22  <Rubidium> the place where you probably want the persistent storage of the industry
16:43:37  <Rubidium> but are trying to get it from the industry tile
16:44:03  <Eddi|zuHause> so someone mixed up SELF and PARENT?
16:44:11  <Rubidium> yes
16:44:18  <Eddi|zuHause> my FIRS is probably outdated anyway
16:44:52  <michi_cc> Or maybe it is because http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2#Variable says 7C is persistent and 7D temporary while http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Storages says the reverse.
16:44:54  <Yexo> Eddi|zuHause: that message was from firs?
16:45:50  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly certain that CETS doesn't use industry tiles :)
16:46:40  <Eddi|zuHause> dbg: [grf] GRFInfo: Loaded GRFv7 set F1250005 - FIRS Industry Replacement Set r2243M (palette: Windows, version: 2243)
16:47:30  <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't say in the debug message, but i don't see what other set would cause it
16:57:30  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe debug output needs a "last message repeated 87 times"?
16:58:23  <Rubidium> sounds like something for a log post processor ;)
17:03:37  <Terkhen> :P
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17:20:18  <insulfrog> cyas
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17:22:57  <andythenorth> < Eddi|zuHause> err... feature request: when using the year cheat, close all prototype offers...
17:22:59  <andythenorth> ^ +1
17:24:21  <Zuu> or, when a company has gone bankrupt, close the offer to buy that company :-)
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18:31:38  * Zuu just figured out a way to close down all companies in OpenTTD.
18:31:59  <Zuu> (posted it to bugs.openttd.org in case anyone is interested in fixing it)
18:32:00  <TrueBrain> reset the game? :P
18:32:07  <Zuu> @4915
18:32:28  <Zuu> It is however nothing someone would do by mistake.
18:33:25  <Eddi|zuHause> @fs 4915
18:33:26  <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4915
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18:33:35  <TrueBrain> lol; SP without company
18:33:36  <TrueBrain> funny :)
18:33:55  <Zuu> I guess a fix would stop point 5 from happening.
18:34:10  <TrueBrain> didnt knwo your company could go bankrupt in SP?
18:34:12  <Zuu> Eg. protect the human company even if the human is in a AI company.
18:34:39  <TrueBrain> but okay .. cheat change company is always been meh :P
18:34:39  <Zuu> It doesn't if you don't use the switch company cheat.
18:35:34  <Eddi|zuHause> i'd rather say stop_ai is the culprit here
18:35:45  <TrueBrain> nah; bankrupt protection should be on the first company
18:35:47  <TrueBrain> not on the local_company
18:35:49  <Eddi|zuHause> it should check whether the company is human controlled first
18:36:24  <Eddi|zuHause> what if you load a multiplayer game?
18:36:39  <Eddi|zuHause> which potentially doesn't have a first company
18:36:42  <TrueBrain> true
18:36:45  <TrueBrain> *shrug*
18:37:07  <Eddi|zuHause> there's no reason to rely on the first company being the human one
18:37:32  * Zuu escapes and goes to the laundary in the basement
18:38:32  <Yexo> <TrueBrain> nah; bankrupt protection should be on the first company <- doesn't work for MP games continued in SP
18:38:42  <Yexo> oh, eddi said that :p
18:38:53  <TrueBrain> always nice if people read up before starting their comments :D
18:40:46  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23679 /trunk/src/lang/ (swedish.txt unfinished/tamil.txt):
18:40:46  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:40:46  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: swedish - 48 changes by tobjork
18:40:46  <CIA-6> OpenTTD: tamil - 26 changes by aswn
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18:50:16  <TrueBrain> what kind of language is Tamil?
18:50:40  <TrueBrain> Singapore and co
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19:08:42  <MNIM> tamil is a language spoken by the tamil people in a part of indonesia. it's a people fighting for independence from indonesia since the country exists.
19:10:32  <MNIM> (an issue mostly caused, sadly, by the retreat of dutch colonialism after world war two)
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19:34:34  <Zuu> TrueBrain: Just for sake of correctness, the original NoGO script that you wrote for town growh requirements, is it ok to license that as GPL2?
19:35:18  <Zuu> I plan to upload my modifications to that script.
19:35:39  <Zuu> So that we hove something that give town growth goals.
19:36:11  <TrueBrain> my 'original' script has changed 10 times :P
19:36:45  <TrueBrain> but hereby you get the full license rights to that file; license it how ever you feel fit :)
19:36:46  <Zuu> Well, anyway, its your code in all 10 versions :-)
19:37:11  <TrueBrain> and "you" here is Zuu, not anyone else :P
19:37:11  <Zuu> Thanks :-)
19:37:37  <TrueBrain> make something pretty out of it :D
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20:24:04  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... the grf-section needn't be the first in an nml file, right?
20:25:09  <Yexo> no
20:25:23  <Yexo> but it must be one of the first
20:25:29  <Yexo> there are a lot of blocks invalid before the grf-block
20:25:56  <Eddi|zuHause> i was thinking of putting some named parameter assignments before
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20:26:06  <Yexo> that's fine
20:26:12  <Eddi|zuHause> (not because it's necessary, but it's convenient)
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20:40:32  <muhvic> Hey, can somebody help me? I have a problem when I try to update openttd to 1.1.4
20:41:13  <Yexo> we can't help unless you tell us which problem you have
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20:41:25  <muhvic> ..
20:41:26  <muhvic> Wll
20:43:07  <muhvic> I'm using ubuntu 11.10 and I have installed 1.0.4 via ubuntu software center, and when I try to update it to 1.1.4 it says;package operation failed; the installation or removal of a software package failed. and in details it says this;dpkg: considering removing openttd-data in favour of openttd ...
20:43:08  <muhvic> dpkg: no, cannot proceed with removal of openttd-data (--auto-deconfigure will help):
20:43:08  <muhvic>  openttd depends on openttd-data (= 1.0.4-3)
20:43:08  <muhvic>   openttd-data is to be removed.
20:43:08  <muhvic> dpkg: regarding .../openttd-1.1.4-linux-ubuntu-oneiric-i386.deb containing openttd:
20:43:10  <muhvic>  openttd conflicts with openttd-data
20:43:12  <muhvic>   openttd-data (version 1.0.4-3) is present and installed.
20:43:14  <muhvic> dpkg: error processing /home/muhvic/Downloads/openttd-1.1.4-linux-ubuntu-oneiric-i386.deb (--install):
20:43:16  <muhvic>  conflicting packages - not installing openttd
20:43:47  <Eddi|zuHause> then remove openttd and openttd-data first, then install openttd again
20:44:07  <muhvic> I did try that before
20:44:10  <muhvic> and when I installd it
20:44:18  <muhvic> the game wouldn't load
20:44:39  <Alberth> what did it say?
20:44:51  <Eddi|zuHause> then search for something like openttd-opengfx
20:46:25  <muhvic> it doesn't say anything
20:47:00  <blathijs> muhvic: Try running "openttd" from a terminal, that might show an error
20:47:07  <Rubidium> then Ubuntu has been messing up things once again
20:47:13  <blathijs> muhvic: Or try installing openttd 1.1.4 from Debian testing
20:47:26  <blathijs> muhvic: I suspect this is the upstream deb, not the Ubuntu one?
20:47:35  <blathijs> Uh, the latter one was for Rubidium
20:48:53  <Rubidium> blathijs: what I've said is under the premise that openttd-opengfx doesn't exist in Ubuntu
20:49:06  <Rubidium> after all, he said that it couldn't be found
20:51:36  <Eddi|zuHause> he didn't actually say that... he replied to the previous question by Alberth
20:51:50  <Eddi|zuHause> (at least it reads here like that)
20:52:23  <Eddi|zuHause> er... someone mixed up the date for silvester, i think
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20:55:21  <Alberth> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openttd&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all  plenty of openttd stuff at ubuntu, it seems
20:58:47  <muhvic> okay, so 1.1.4 works now, graphics set was the problem
20:58:48  <muhvic> thanks
20:58:50  <muhvic> =)
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21:34:12  <vargadanis> hey there
21:34:38  <vargadanis> I need a station layout with at least 6 tracks... the current one's throughput isn't big enough :S
21:34:58  <vargadanis> could someone help me?
21:35:37  <Yexo> have you seen the openttdcoop wiki?
21:36:26  <vargadanis> googling
21:36:34  <Yexo> wiki.openttdcoop.org :)
21:37:17  <vargadanis> sweet stuffs
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23:05:47  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:53:52  <Eddi|zuHause> Elukka: fancy drawing something for a change? we need a 4-axle express passenger wagon. maybe something like this: http://www.kbaystb.de/kbaystb-kbaystb/kbaystb-personenwagen/D-Zugwagen_1-2-3Kl_4achsig_1911.JPG http://maerklin-keller.de/personenwagen/4143-1-1/ http://www.maerklin-keller.de/personenwagen/4136-1-1/ (those are the later DRG colours, not sure where to find older ones)
23:54:02  <Eddi|zuHause> length is 10lu
23:54:58  <Elukka> i'll look into it, thanks for the sources
23:55:02  <Elukka> been working on model trains lately :P
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23:56:40  <Elukka> might be best to go with the usual bavarian colors unless there's reason to believe they're different
23:57:30  <Eddi|zuHause> ideally we have one for each of the (major) railways :)
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23:58:12  <__ln__> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vttLsvaEZ5w  (warning: music)
23:58:35  <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. prussian, saxon and bavarian
23:58:38  <Elukka> browsing the brawa site for reference could get expensive for me...
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23:59:18  <Eddi|zuHause> pff :p

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