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has quit [Quit: Snail_] 13:48:32 <Hirundo> NewGRF specs state "Actions 6, 7, 9, B, C, D (except resource management sprites), 10 and 14 are valid before an action 8. 13:48:42 <Hirundo> Is that enforced in any way? 13:57:09 <frosch123> disabling grfs in the activation stage is one of the higher mysticisms of newgrfs :) 13:57:45 <planetmaker> :-D 13:58:10 <frosch123> i would assume action1 and 2 do not matter for ottd either 13:58:37 <frosch123> but with action 0 and 3 being executed in activation stage when the grf is disabled later, might cause problems 14:00:08 <Remi_Woler> hmm, the latest nightly is a palindrome version :o 14:00:44 <Eddi|zuHause> why don't we have a party then?!? 14:01:08 <frosch123> we did not party on the recent fibonacci nightly either 14:01:27 <Hirundo> frosch123: I'm currently looking at unifying the filescan and safetyscan, so all newgrfs are scanned for safety at startup 14:01:28 <Remi_Woler> dev team doesn't know what fun is :/ 14:01:44 <Eddi|zuHause> we did not party on a lot of recent revisions... 14:02:21 <Hirundo> All unsafe actions are basically invalid before action 8, which would make that slightly easier / faster 14:02:38 <Hirundo> (With one exception: writing >0x80 params in ActionD) 14:03:20 <frosch123> Remi_Woler: fun is, if you add 975 to the revision number :p 14:03:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Hirundo: i'd read that as a clarification of "except ressource management" 14:04:20 <frosch123> yes, i would also consider writing >=0x80 variables as invalid 14:04:41 <frosch123> basically it is about: a newgrf is active if its action8 has been processed in activation stage 14:05:01 <frosch123> so all disabling must happen before, and everything that defines some entity must happen after 14:05:27 *** fjb|tab [~frank@pD9EA62DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:05:31 <Remi_Woler> frosch123: not seeing the fun⊠24707 14:06:01 <Eddi|zuHause> @openttd log 1 14:06:06 <frosch123> exactly, why would you want to party r24707? there is nothing special about that number 14:06:09 <Eddi|zuHause> @openttd commit 1 14:06:09 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Commit by truelight :: r1 / (202 files in 13 dirs) (2004-08-09 17:04:08 UTC) 14:06:10 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Import of revision 975 of old (crashed) SVN 14:06:33 <Remi_Woler> ah! So that's why there's no party 14:06:44 <frosch123> well, maybe you have to add 974 though 14:07:18 <Remi_Woler> so the actual palindrome was 974 revs ago. Complicated :S 14:09:32 <Eddi|zuHause> worse. we're already 17 revisions beyond the nightly revision 14:10:55 <Remi_Woler> then stop committing! How are we supposed to have a party when y'all keep upping the rev counter?! 14:11:51 <frosch123> by committing the party-triggering revision during the party 14:14:11 <frosch123> Hirundo: technically you can of course put the forbidden actions at the start of the file, skip them using action 9 and later jump back to execute them after action 8 :p 14:15:05 <Hirundo> sounds almost as bad as changing action bytes with action 6... 14:16:36 <frosch123> good point :p 14:18:06 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-026-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 14:23:48 *** decoded [~encoded@adsl-65-23-250-212.prtc.net] has joined #openttd 14:25:31 *** encoded [~encoded@adsl-65-23-250-212.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:49 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:31:30 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 14:32:24 <Hirundo> Does the GUI filter framework allow multiple filters? 14:37:15 <frosch123> multiple filters, but only one at a time 14:43:20 <planetmaker> 15:15 Hirundo: sounds almost as bad as changing action bytes with action 6... <-- omg... ! 14:43:37 * Hirundo needs more than one at a time (static/non-static, and tag/name) 14:43:58 <Hirundo> planetmaker: AFAIK the spec doesn't forbid it :-) 14:44:53 <planetmaker> yes, I don't know it either. It's just I didn't think of that madness before 14:46:55 *** |2rB [~Twofish@box80-64-205-146.static.sdsl.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:50:33 <planetmaker> Remi_Woler: we've proven that we can party AND commit ;-) 14:51:59 <planetmaker> (or at least rb did) 14:55:54 <michi_cc> Hirundo: Make the tag/name filter also compare static/non-static with some appropriately set variable. 14:55:59 <Remi_Woler> planetmaker: pics or it didn't happen? :P 14:59:09 <frosch123> Remi_Woler: no pictures, only news: https://secure.openttd.org/www/en/news/128 14:59:58 <frosch123> r20000 (new counting) was commited from inside a tent 15:03:19 <blathijs> That's where the greatest stuff gets conceived (Games, babies, etc.) 15:07:28 <Remi_Woler> frosch123: so planetmaker made a cake 74 revs too late?! 15:09:24 <frosch123> it was a "20k" cake, so the last 3 digits were dropped :p 15:09:44 <Remi_Woler> and this is how rounding bugs happen :o 15:10:49 <Eddi|zuHause> there were r20k pictures somewhere 15:11:01 <__ln__> nonsense, a cake is always precisely on time, the rest of reality can be either late or early. 15:11:04 <frosch123> only non-public ones :) 15:11:19 <planetmaker> well... there still are. But I didn't ask everyone whether I may publish them ;-) 15:11:46 <planetmaker> and I'm totally with __ln__ there ;-) 15:30:05 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:20:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:21:53 <andythenorth> hola 16:22:41 <__ln__> hola andyelnorte 16:29:24 * andythenorth spots a Godwin event 16:29:45 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:10 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-84-248.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:30:29 <andythenorth> new cargo for FIRS: 'subjugated races' 16:30:36 <andythenorth> ? 16:30:36 <decoded> did some openttd AI achive consciousness and now threatens man kind with efficient cargo hauling? 16:38:21 <planetmaker> andythenorth: I'd rather suggest the anti-thesis: "happy people", like Alphas ... Epsilons 16:38:41 <andythenorth> ho 16:38:51 <andythenorth> anyway, the community has policed that idea away :P 16:39:03 <andythenorth> how interesting 16:39:05 <Aali> I'm looking forward to setting up my soylent green shipping empire 16:39:53 <andythenorth> I didn't find the 'segregated buses' suggestion that offensive 16:39:56 <andythenorth> strange 16:39:58 <andythenorth> but not offensive 16:42:23 <planetmaker> well. it's racist and certainly won't add to the game 16:42:43 <planetmaker> at least not more than tourists and normal passengers 16:42:50 <planetmaker> or if you want tourists and commuters 16:43:15 <Aali> all the passengers in ottd are white anyway 16:43:46 <andythenorth> definitely racist :P 16:45:00 <andythenorth> hmm 16:45:04 <andythenorth> http://flipthemedia.com/index.php/2011/07/is-the-facebook-phenomenon-planking-actually-racist/ 16:45:51 <peter1138> what about newstats' passengers? 16:46:01 <decoded> lmao 16:46:35 <andythenorth> this is what I was actually looking for: http://longstreet.typepad.com/thesciencebookstore/2008/05/human-powerraw.html 16:50:17 <andythenorth> hmm 16:50:26 * andythenorth needs custom fields for industry 16:58:12 <Rubidium> so many reactions to a troll :( 16:59:24 <andythenorth> it was a well-executed troll 17:01:54 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:04:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:08:17 <frosch123> let's make him a developer 17:17:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:17:27 <andythenorth> compared to the typical suggestion...it was better explained, more interesting, and had more chance of being viable 17:23:11 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0a9627.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:23:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i tried to answer, but there was no way it wouldn't be offensive and insensitive 17:25:26 <peter1138> heh 17:33:23 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db131b0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:37:52 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:41:00 <Terkhen> hello 17:41:09 <andythenorth> hola 17:41:27 * Terkhen hates traffic 17:41:39 <Terkhen> let's remove all road vehicles from OpenTTD 17:42:14 <andythenorth> can you do that before I go any further on BANDIT? 17:42:16 <frosch123> there is already no civil traffic :) 17:45:09 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:45:48 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has joined #openttd 17:46:01 <Terkhen> andythenorth: no, I want just a bunch of completely empty roads 17:46:21 <andythenorth> Terkhen: newgrf to disable vehicles? 17:47:08 <Terkhen> hardcode "max road vehicle amount" to 0 17:47:43 <BUTTMUNCH> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCe_yfhD91k legen...dary 17:54:47 *** FLHerne [~francis@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:56:19 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:59:15 *** astol [~Adium@188.134.65.81] has left #openttd [] 17:59:23 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:51 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 18:07:20 * Hirundo ponders NewGRFs that change grifd via a loading-stage-dependant action 6 18:07:20 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:45 <Yexo> Hirundo: not possible 18:09:00 <Yexo> during first scan (where grfid is read) action6 is not executed 18:09:26 <Yexo> after that in the loading stage the action6 is executed, but if at that point the grfid doesn't match the grfid from the scan stage the grf is disabled 18:11:47 <planetmaker> now, that surely would lead to evilgasms 18:11:53 <planetmaker> if it were possible 18:12:07 *** TheMask96 [~martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:15:06 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab9a9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:20 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host86-132-26-73.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:16:46 <LordAro> interesting, my AI repo has broken mercurial :) 18:19:30 <Hirundo> Yexo: In GRFInfo the grfid is updated and a debug message is issued, but no disabling takes place 18:19:45 <Hirundo> newgrf.cpp line 6000 18:19:55 <Hirundo> Whether that is the Right Thing (tm) I'm not sure 18:20:10 <Yexo> ah, you're right :) 18:22:20 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:33 <planetmaker> LordAro: how do you mean "has broken hg"? 18:22:55 <LordAro> planetmaker: http://mercurial.selenic.com/bts/issue3179 18:24:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:25:29 *** TdlQ [~TdlQ@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 18:26:22 <TrueBrain> concratz LordAro :D 18:26:35 <LordAro> thank you :) 18:26:57 <LordAro> i must say, i'm surprised it exists in both 1.9.1 and 2.0.2 18:27:11 <LordAro> i mean, i would've thought it would've been fixed :) 18:28:42 <Terkhen> wow, you managed to crash hg with just "diff" 18:28:46 <Terkhen> congratulations :P 18:33:03 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-2-210.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:34:21 <BUTTMUNCH> why is it that me and my friend timeout all the time 18:34:37 <BUTTMUNCH> when i create a server he times out, when he creates a server I timeout 18:34:56 <TrueBrain> start with a smaller game? 18:35:52 <BUTTMUNCH> hmm i guess i could try that 18:35:58 <Terkhen> either one of the computers is too slow for the game you are trying to run or you have network issues 18:35:59 <BUTTMUNCH> if that would be the case, thatâd be really buttsy 18:36:17 <Elukka> i've usually played 1024x, sometimes even 2048x with a few people and it's worked fine 18:36:21 <BUTTMUNCH> it aint slow computers, it could be networking issues 18:37:26 <frosch123> wireless is said to cause trouble with ottd 18:37:34 <BUTTMUNCH> both wired connections 18:37:35 <BUTTMUNCH> but i n ever timeout on irc or anywhere else 18:38:06 <BUTTMUNCH> it looks like most disconnects happen during server saving the map 18:39:45 <peter1138> large maps cause stalls when autosaving on servers 18:40:47 <BUTTMUNCH> isnât there a way to set autosaving to letâs say every (real life) hour 18:40:54 <BUTTMUNCH> and not game months 18:41:10 <Terkhen> no 18:41:15 <Terkhen> you can disable it 18:41:17 <Chris_Booth> BUTTMUNCH: you can work out how long a game day week or month is though 18:41:32 <Chris_Booth> 1 day is 2 ticks 18:41:53 <Chris_Booth> so one month is ~60 ticks 18:41:56 <BUTTMUNCH> so you can put in an amount of ticks for saving? 18:42:13 <Chris_Booth> no 18:42:22 <BUTTMUNCH> then iâm not folliwing you 18:42:25 <Chris_Booth> but you can work out how many ticks an hour is 18:42:42 <Chris_Booth> and work out which game auto save option is closest to that 18:43:00 <BUTTMUNCH> yearly is the longesdt 18:43:04 <BUTTMUNCH> and thatâs too short 18:43:41 <Chris_Booth> or you can dissable it 18:43:55 <Elukka> large maps cause stalls yes but it's not supposed to drop players 18:43:58 <Chris_Booth> or write a patch that allows you to enter in ticks the amount of time you wish 18:43:59 <Elukka> it never has for me 18:44:33 <BUTTMUNCH> hmm 18:44:46 <BUTTMUNCH> i see the message too, where i havenât hada response (or whatever) for 5 seconds 18:45:07 <BUTTMUNCH> but whoever connects from the outside, gets that message for more than 10 seconds 18:45:15 <Elukka> you might try a vpn (tunngle is nice and works, hamachi is a piece of crap, dunno about others) and a LAN game through it 18:46:04 <BUTTMUNCH> hmm right, ok 18:46:05 <Chris_Booth> Elukka: a standard internet connection limit the speed of a VPN 18:46:06 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r23750 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files): (log message trimmed) 18:46:06 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:46:06 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: belarusian - 19 changes by Wowanxm 18:46:06 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: croatian - 19 changes by VoyagerOne 18:46:06 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: english_AU - 20 changes by tomas4g 18:46:07 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: italian - 20 changes by lorenzodv 18:46:07 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 161 changes by BlinK_ 18:46:25 <BUTTMUNCH> itâs not the speed really 18:46:26 <Chris_Booth> only way you can get better openttd is buy a beasty CPU 18:46:28 <Elukka> yes but it's not necessarily raw speed that's the issue 18:46:35 <BUTTMUNCH> the connection between me and him are 25mbit 18:46:39 <BUTTMUNCH> since my upload is 25mbit 18:46:43 <BUTTMUNCH> and my download is 120mbit 18:46:54 <Elukka> it's unlikely his games are dropping players because their computers or connections are too slow 18:46:57 <Elukka> it's probably just some hickup 18:47:35 <Elukka> way you work tunngle is you join some room (doesn't matter which one), then make a LAN game and the other players should see it 18:47:43 <Elukka> assuming they're in the same room 18:47:53 <Elukka> works fine for playing with friends but has obvious issues for public servers 18:48:46 <Elukka> in my experience, it usually bypasses annoying indeterminate connection issues 18:48:57 <BUTTMUNCH> thanks for the tip, i will try that right away 18:49:02 <BUTTMUNCH> and yes, this is just a 2 player game weâre running here 18:49:27 <BUTTMUNCH> as for beasty cpu 18:49:29 *** Solshine [~c24bee04@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:49:43 <BUTTMUNCH> i actually put my cpu to stock because i wondered maybe my overclock was the case, buti t wasnât 18:49:49 <BUTTMUNCH> iâm running a Q9550 @ 4.4ghz 18:50:17 <Solshine> Hi. I'm trying to get all the required parts for me to be able to run AdmiralAI on openttd (ubuntu). I can't get internet on the target machine so I have to gather all the files on this machine. 18:50:28 <Solshine> Where could I find the required libraries? 18:50:35 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:51:02 <Eddi|zuHause> evil thought: grf action "hide this grf from <other grf>" 18:51:55 <Solshine> Nevermind, found the bananas. 18:51:57 <planetmaker> no. That'd only complicate matters. 18:52:24 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it would solve an issue with my hacked alpine 18:52:46 <Eddi|zuHause> it must be detected by dbsetxl, but may not be detected by firs 18:53:10 <Eddi|zuHause> currently i must additionally hack firs to not check for alpine 18:53:25 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:14 <Solshine> I think I'm set. Thank you. 18:54:16 *** Solshine [~c24bee04@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:54:30 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 18:55:30 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:52 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-2-210.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:57:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@188-220-91-30.zone11.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:58:43 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-026-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:42 *** decoded [~encoded@adsl-65-23-250-212.prtc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.160.57] has joined #openttd 19:08:08 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:13 *** devilsadvocate [~quassel@109.200.19.188] has joined #openttd 19:10:11 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:10:25 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:11:40 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: hack your alpine climate enough so it becomes static 19:11:48 <planetmaker> or... use ogfx+landscape 19:12:01 <planetmaker> or just any other similar newgrf 19:12:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D448.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:12:19 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: can't be static, because then dbset can't detect it 19:12:21 <planetmaker> or hack your firs 19:12:25 <planetmaker> that is even allowed 19:12:43 <planetmaker> as you don't play MP that's of no issue to you either 19:13:04 <Eddi|zuHause> dbset will only activate in arctic climate if it detects the grf-id of alpine 19:13:13 *** JVassie [~James@2.30.129.31] has joined #openttd 19:13:44 <planetmaker> simplest solution would be to rather hack dbset, eh? 19:14:23 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:24 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:14:43 <planetmaker> as it's there where the insufficiency is present 19:15:10 <Eddi|zuHause> the idea is to "hack" as few grfs as possible 19:16:31 *** pjpe [ae5b52e7@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:17:35 <planetmaker> that's one: dbset 19:17:45 <planetmaker> and that's hacking at the root of the problem, too 19:18:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no, alpine is the root of the problem 19:18:23 <planetmaker> and solves more issues, like when you want tropical climate or arctic w/o alpine. 19:18:45 <planetmaker> no, the grfcheck for alpine's presence obviously ;-) 19:19:10 <Eddi|zuHause> that is no problem. that is a deliberate choice of the author 19:19:20 <peter1138> pom te pom 19:19:50 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no reason to change that 19:20:00 <planetmaker> then there's no reason to change anything 19:20:06 <planetmaker> least in the other newgrfs 19:20:32 <Eddi|zuHause> the "problem" is that firs cannot distinguish between the original incompatible alpine and my hacked compatible alpine 19:20:36 <planetmaker> as that's also the choice of their authors 19:20:59 <Eddi|zuHause> since i "fixed" alpine, i could tell it to tell firs that it's now compatible 19:21:02 <planetmaker> see: you need to change dbset to search for another alpine climate ID 19:21:25 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: or just remove the alpine check in FIRS :P 19:21:30 <planetmaker> nope it can't - unless you give alpine a action14 version. Which is stupid to check for unless that's official 19:22:21 <planetmaker> and the statement of "least hacks" clearly wants the check removed at the root: dbset 19:24:47 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:11 <andythenorth> so how do I determine whether my blitter is 8bpp or 32bpp? 19:32:21 <planetmaker> look at your cfg 19:32:27 * andythenorth does 19:32:37 <planetmaker> blitter = ... 19:32:55 <planetmaker> on osx it's most likely 32bpp-anim 19:33:10 <planetmaker> unless you changed it 19:33:37 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-2-210.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:34:14 <andythenorth> I have blitter = "" 19:34:32 <andythenorth> and I'm using trunk ~tip 19:35:05 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: well, i don't share your view there... but i'm not feeling like repeating the argument again 19:35:30 <andythenorth> should I explicitly force my blitter to 32bpp-anim ? 19:35:49 <planetmaker> andythenorth: then you use 32bpp-anim (osx) or 8bpp-optimized (otherwise) 19:36:02 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: usually there is no reason to change the default, unless you have an actual problem 19:36:03 <andythenorth> ok, that means I have 32bpp-anim 19:36:40 <andythenorth> that means it's useful for me to watch out for 32bpp bugs? 19:37:04 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: no need to repeat; the argument imho is flawed. 19:37:21 <planetmaker> aka solving symptoms than causes 19:37:54 <andythenorth> *why* does DBSet need a specific, hacky, climate + industries + houses grf? 19:38:05 <peter1138> gah 19:38:08 <andythenorth> and why isn't DBSet it GPL? 19:38:11 <andythenorth> -it 19:38:12 <peter1138> need to replace a dead disk 19:38:21 <andythenorth> waste of time replacing a live one ;) 19:38:23 <peter1138> but i rebooted the machine and it says both work :S 19:38:57 <peter1138> can't remember which one was showing as dead 19:39:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5152B25B.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:39:49 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: is there a FS for the "crashed vehicles aren't monotone" bug? 19:39:53 * andythenorth can't see one 19:40:32 <planetmaker> not afaik 19:40:42 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: the people who can fix it, know :P 19:40:44 <TrueBrain> and even have a patch 19:40:48 <TrueBrain> they are just too scared to commit :D 19:40:50 <andythenorth> I can't replicate the issue anyway 19:40:54 * peter1138 tries writing lots of data to trigger it 19:41:06 <peter1138> i'm not scared 19:41:10 <peter1138> i'm just busy 19:41:16 <TrueBrain> <3 19:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> dbset is some CC-BY-ND-simile 19:41:30 <andythenorth> should be banned 19:41:44 <andythenorth> http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/gpl-compatible.html 19:42:01 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's actually older than CC, so it's some custom license 19:42:49 <Eddi|zuHause> why should the license be changed? 19:43:01 <peter1138> gah, writing 1GB file didn't blow it up :S 19:43:18 * TrueBrain gives peter1138 C4 :D 19:43:30 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: smartctl -a? 19:43:37 <peter1138> not installed :S 19:43:41 <peter1138> but it's on a cpq array 19:43:49 <peter1138> so smartctl probably isn't useful 19:43:57 <andythenorth> everything-GPL = easier 19:43:59 <peter1138> which is probably why it's not installed 19:44:21 <LordAro> a result: http://mercurial.selenic.com/bts/issue3179 :) 19:44:55 <peter1138> indeed, it doesn't 19:45:03 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i don't think forcing a control freak like MB to use gpl is the right thing 19:45:04 <peter1138> i kinda hate hardware raid :S 19:45:56 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: but working around other people's control issues isn't either 19:46:07 *** encoded [~encoded@adsl-65-23-250-212.prtc.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:47 <TrueBrain> peter1138: just pull a random one out, and see if the machine still runs! 19:48:56 <peter1138> :S 19:49:07 <peter1138> it will, they both work 19:49:17 <peter1138> but presumably one will hit a write error at some point 19:50:28 <TrueBrain> :( 19:50:43 <peter1138> hence why i'm trying to fill the disk 19:55:05 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55:06 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 19:59:54 <Remi_Woler> TrueBrain: btw: the 5=6 patch worked perfectly :) 20:00:21 <TrueBrain> small bugs, huge crashes :) 20:00:47 <TrueBrain> I just realised I never really tried the patch; just assumed it would fix it 20:00:49 <Remi_Woler> exactly :) 20:00:50 <TrueBrain> that is not good .. 20:01:06 <TrueBrain> owh well, happy to know I did get it right :P 20:01:10 <Remi_Woler> I tested it, worked fine. Already played 6 games with the current nightly 20:01:23 <TrueBrain> you have a lot of time on your hands :P 20:01:47 *** LordAro_ [~lordaro@host86-137-190-54.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:01:57 <peter1138> or play badly :p 20:02:06 <TrueBrain> ^^ :D 20:02:14 <Remi_Woler> not the full 100 years. Usually start in 2034, enough to have the AI go crazy so I can see the effects with a gamescript 20:02:25 *** LordAro is now known as Guest22666 20:02:25 *** LordAro_ is now known as LordAro 20:02:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-85-134.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:07:47 *** Guest22666 [~lordaro@host86-132-26-73.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:30 <LordAro> hmmm... why have upgrade/close airport patches never been included in trunk? 20:18:12 <peter1138> bloody thing still didn't error :( 20:18:40 <LordAro> is that a bad thing? 20:19:01 <peter1138> yes 20:19:06 * Remi_Woler hands peter1138 a screwdriver. That should fix things 20:19:12 *** Chrill [~Chrill@c83-253-89-232.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:01 <andythenorth> peter1138: it's ok, all your data is gone on 21/12/12 apparently 20:20:05 <andythenorth> according to idiots anyway 20:20:11 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:25 <Zuu> LordAro: I guess someone would need to put in time and effort to review those patches. 20:28:00 <LordAro> well, obviously, but why haven't they done so? :D 20:28:08 <Zuu> Now that we got GS, one could implement at least CloseAirport as a GS that you enable by eg. renaming your airport station. 20:28:10 * peter1138 tries reading the whole disk 20:28:29 <peter1138> *volume 20:28:38 * andythenorth is having not-coding fail :| 20:28:55 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: have you tried reading the threads discussing them? 20:29:07 <Zuu> LordAro: Well, the thing is that anyone, also non-devs could put time into reviewing the patch. 20:29:18 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: in all likelyhood, the reasons will be in there 20:30:03 <Remi_Woler> I'll be happy to review them. But I'll reject them if they don't have enough pretty colors 20:31:55 <Zuu> I think one issue that has been mentioned is that the patch improves aircraft as transport mode. And we get all sorts of suggestions on how to make aircraft harder. 20:32:30 <LordAro> i guess so 20:33:14 <FLHerne> (newish IRC user) How do you enter messages in the format " * | [username]...."? 20:33:18 <Zuu> Though, if closing of airports is implemented already, doing it for the other transport modes I guess is not harder than airports. 20:33:28 <Remi_Woler> FLHerne: /me your message here 20:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> aircraft are horribly inefficient... 20:33:38 * LordAro think you start with '/me' 20:33:42 <Remi_Woler> FLHerne: the / has to be the first thing on the line 20:33:55 * FLHerne thanks Remi_Woler 20:34:12 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-2-210.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:34:17 <encoded> i wish openttd responded to alt+f4 20:34:37 <Eddi|zuHause> encoded: hotkeys.conf 20:34:42 <Eddi|zuHause> .cfg 20:34:45 <Eddi|zuHause> or something 20:34:55 <Zuu> hotkeys.cfg 20:34:59 <LordAro> openttd responds to alt+f4 to me 20:35:39 <Zuu> But I would think that alt+f4 would be detected by windows that send a close event to OpenTTD. 20:36:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i do think it did respond to that on linux as well 20:36:26 <Rubidium> Zuu: that russian transportgoals translation seems to be utf8 20:36:38 <Zuu> Ok 20:36:50 <Zuu> Then the issue is on my side 20:37:02 <Zuu> I'll see what OpenTTD have to say about the file then. :-) 20:41:20 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-89-232.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:44:45 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:45:25 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 20:45:28 *** Lakie [~Lakie@host86-190-25-194.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 20:46:14 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest22670 20:46:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-2-101-97-155.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 20:48:27 <frosch123> Zuu: the russian transport goals translation is valid utf8 20:52:25 *** Guest22670 [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:20 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest22672 20:56:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:02:08 *** Guest22672 [~Andy@host-2-101-97-155.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:05:07 *** Tom__ [~chatzilla@host86-178-12-211.range86-178.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:05:16 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-71-82.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:05:51 <LordAro> I would like to congratulate Truebrain wrt NoGo. Very nice :) 21:06:31 <LordAro> also Zuu: re CityDomination: apparently i have to get a town's population from 170 -> 5000? :P 21:07:06 <Tom__> On the wiki for installing on a mac it says, "download the osx OpenTTD installer from the website" but I can't find any installer, sorry to be a bother 21:07:50 <LordAro> Zuu: edit: oh, _all_ towns to 5000, that was easy :) 21:10:02 <Rubidium> Tom__: I guess someone copied the Windows manual or so; there isn't an Mac OSX instaler (nor has there ever been one) 21:10:32 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-28-250.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:02 *** snack2 [~nn@dsl-prvbrasgw1-fe05dc00-37.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:18 <Zuu> I haven't actually played with CityDomination lately. Only tested it at version 2 or so. 21:11:37 <Tom__> Rubidium: Cheers, I am a total noob and cant seem to add the OpenGFX textures 21:12:12 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 21:12:19 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12:34 <LordAro> Zuu: well, it seems to be working good :D 21:12:45 <Rubidium> Tom__: too bad the OSX version doesn't have support for downloading that upon the first start then (Linux and Windows do have support for that in 1.2.0) :( 21:13:16 <Tom__> Rubidium: dang :( 21:14:58 <FLHerne> It seems that OTTD is more responsive over a high-latency, 2Mb/s connection than on my computer... 21:15:22 <FLHerne> When SSHing into a reasonably quick one I mean 21:20:27 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: Sla Mutant Co-Op for Renegade - coming back soon] 21:21:39 <LordAro> i must say, it would be clearer if the new tab 'general information' actually told us that they were for goals 21:21:44 <LordAro> i had to guess :L 21:21:51 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:52 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 21:22:16 <andythenorth> Tom__: just download the zip and install it 21:22:29 <andythenorth> or you have openttd already? 21:23:09 * andythenorth thinks mac users are parasites :P 21:23:55 <FLHerne> Why? 21:24:50 <Rubidium> because they keep bugging the bug tracker without ever getting rid of them ;) 21:25:14 <andythenorth> because they won't contribute to maintaining the app, but are happy to use it 21:26:06 *** LordAro_ [~lordaro@host81-154-219-17.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:26:50 <andythenorth> parasites 21:28:45 <Rubidium> also macs are for artisty people, right? So why are there so few "contributions" of useably 32bpp OpenTTD graphics from them? ;) 21:30:03 <andythenorth> roll out the stereotypes why not :P 21:30:14 <FLHerne> They are? I'm not very arty, and I've got 7, including the one I'm using :P 21:30:15 <andythenorth> *no* serious CGI artist uses a mac 21:30:23 <andythenorth> macs are crap for CGI 21:30:38 <Rubidium> but... only on Macs the colours are right! 21:30:45 <andythenorth> ? 21:31:42 <FLHerne> If 'right' is 'different from anyone else', maybe... 21:32:12 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host86-137-190-54.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:32:55 <Rubidium> andythenorth: that was the reason why so many used photoshop on the mac, wasn't it? 21:33:07 <andythenorth> once upon a time yes 21:33:18 <FLHerne> That seems to be Apple's attitude on connectors, processors, expansion slots, partition types... 21:33:30 <andythenorth> Rubidium: I think that's somewhat historical :P 21:33:45 <Rubidium> yeah, but I like raisins 21:33:55 <FLHerne> Er...what? 21:34:00 *** Tom__ [~chatzilla@host86-178-12-211.range86-178.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 8.0.1/20111120135848]] 21:35:30 <FLHerne> I hate single-button ADB mice, but I do like raisins! Did I miss an injoke or something? 21:36:04 <andythenorth> Rubidium: have you ever considered dropping mac support? 21:36:53 <Rubidium> andythenorth: yes 21:37:00 <Rubidium> I've actually done it 21:37:04 <Rubidium> remember 1.0? 21:37:11 <andythenorth> no :) 21:37:46 <LordAro_> andy deleted it from his memories ;) 21:43:04 <peter1138> we did. for ages :p 21:43:21 <peter1138> i don't think i was around when it was reinstated 21:45:46 <Elukka> http://www.richardkrol.nl/fotos/v200/rollout/221136neustrelitzb.jpg 21:45:48 <Rubidium> oh, 01-04-2012... 21:45:53 <Rubidium> I guess we could pull it ;) 21:45:56 <Elukka> holy crap some private operator that still has V200's hasn't painted it in an awful color scheme 21:46:38 <appe_> :o 21:49:07 <FLHerne> Reminds me of DP1 for some reason 21:49:18 <FLHerne> But warship-shaped 21:49:25 <Elukka> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/V_200_Technikmuseum_Berlin.jpg 21:49:29 <Elukka> they're some of my favorite locomotives 21:49:32 <Elukka> the warship was based on them 21:50:33 <FLHerne> That pic's about 4x the size of my screen 21:50:49 <FLHerne> And my browser can't zoom webpages :-( 21:51:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19ACB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:31 <LordAro_> get a better browser then ;) 21:52:10 *** LordAro_ is now known as LordAro 21:52:16 <FLHerne> Yes, but I can't find one with better functionality that runs reasonably 21:52:23 <Elukka> what are you using? 21:52:30 <FLHerne> Dillo 3 21:52:46 <FLHerne> Firefox is better, but takes 10 minutes to start 21:53:17 <LordAro> its got much better recently 21:53:43 <LordAro> (i use chrome by preference) 21:54:03 <FLHerne> Yes, but FF > 3 and Chrome don't support PowerPC 21:54:16 <LordAro> ah 21:54:27 <LordAro> get a better computer then ;) 21:54:38 <planetmaker> no newer FF for osx 10.5? 21:54:50 <FLHerne> But I like my little 1400 :P 21:55:36 <FLHerne> 10.5 would be rather slow I think 21:56:01 <FLHerne> This thing came with 8.6 21:56:27 <FLHerne> Now Debian 21:57:18 <Rubidium> firefox seems to build fine on Debian for PowerPC 21:58:26 <FLHerne> Still probably too slow...I know recent versions are getting better, but FF 1 uses 120% of physical RAM 21:58:36 <andythenorth> lynx? 21:58:49 <FLHerne> Doesn't zoom pages either 21:58:51 <andythenorth> vnc to another box :P 21:59:00 <FLHerne> Or show images for that matter 21:59:57 <FLHerne> Dillo does most things OK, the wireless on this is a bit slow for UI over the network 22:00:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-180-12-160.range86-180.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:01:25 <FLHerne> Moving back towards topic, why does a V200 have tose big windows in the side? 22:02:59 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-2-210.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:03:28 <Mazur> Oh, dear, the map at stable has been made wit 10x running costs or so for trains. Anyone know how we can fix that? 22:03:47 <Elukka> no idea about the windows 22:04:06 *** Neon [~Neon@dslb-094-219-026-224.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Python is way too complicated... I prefer doing it quickly in C.] 22:04:13 <Mazur> planetmaker, you still around? 22:08:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23751 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: rename NetworkUDPGameLoop to a more descriptive name, and move the UDP specific bits to network_udp 22:11:27 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23752 /trunk/src/network/network_udp.cpp: -Fix [FS#4938]: missing locking causing crash is extreme case when being in the MP lobby 22:13:16 <appe_> how can i tell when i go bancrupt? 22:13:44 <frosch123> when there is a news item about your company being in trouble 22:14:00 <appe_> ah, i cant tell by the bank balance? 22:14:20 <frosch123> well, when you have no money for some months 22:14:29 <appe_> that i know 22:14:37 <appe_> i was thinking about the numbers behind it :) 22:15:40 <Rubidium> 4 (or 3?) consecutive begins of quarters with a negative bank balance 22:16:07 <frosch123> yeah, it only matters on 1st jan/apr/jul/okt 22:16:13 <appe_> ah, i see 22:16:16 <appe_> does it ignore the loan? 22:16:27 <frosch123> loan does not matter 22:16:34 <frosch123> only fluent money 22:16:40 <appe_> ah, i see. 22:16:56 <appe_> so i can loan myself up from a bancruptcy? 22:17:02 <appe_> bancroopzii 22:17:14 <encoded> yes just like greece 22:21:40 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host81-154-219-17.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:01 <Terkhen> good night 22:22:05 <Rubidium> greece has a loan? 22:22:45 <Rubidium> doesn't a loan have a chance of being repaid? 22:24:58 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-28-85-134.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:24:59 <frosch123> would you lend some random dude 300k to build a railroad network? 22:26:35 <Rubidium> then I'd statistically have a chance of getting my money back 22:26:38 <Elukka> america has a loan 22:26:44 <Elukka> doesn't a loan have a chance of being repaid? 22:27:13 <Rubidium> Elukka: they're repaying their loan by loaning more 22:27:48 <frosch123> just don't be the one loaning last 22:28:26 <Rubidium> you mean lending, right? 22:28:40 <frosch123> likely 22:35:08 <appe_> that bancrupcy thing didnt work 22:35:14 <appe_> went bancrupt even when on + :( 22:36:41 <frosch123> you are charged loan interest on every quarter 22:36:54 <appe_> ah 22:36:56 <appe_> crap. 22:37:06 <appe_> thus, ill keep myself 10-12.000+ 22:37:19 <appe_> let's see how it goes. 22:39:19 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@brln-4dbab9a9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:53 <BUTTMUNCH> timeouts were caused due to autosave indeed 22:46:59 <BUTTMUNCH> now we gotta not forget to save 22:47:13 <appe_> http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lx7vafr8cy1r7lwjko1_250.gif 22:50:52 <frosch123> night 22:50:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7f09.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:15 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:05:53 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@ip-86-49-59-25.net.upcbroadband.cz] has left #openttd [] 23:06:43 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:07:32 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-2-210.midd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:50 *** fjb|tab [~frank@p5DDFE0C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:14:18 *** TdlQ [~TdlQ@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:33 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 23:21:53 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:26:51 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-89-232.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 23:28:11 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 23:30:11 *** Adambean [~AdamR@82.hosts.reece-eu.net] has quit [Quit: Gone fishing] 23:30:22 *** glx is now known as Guest22689 23:30:22 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:fdee:1143:3b3c:268b] has joined #openttd 23:30:22 *** glx_ is now known as glx 23:30:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 23:34:37 *** JVassie [~James@2.30.129.31] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:49 *** pandabear [4cbfca9c@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:36:18 *** pandabear [4cbfca9c@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 23:36:19 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:36:26 *** Guest22689 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:fdee:1143:3b3c:268b] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:36:38 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 23:38:12 *** FLHerne [~francis@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:13 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:14 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 23:40:50 *** FLHerne [~francis@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:41:35 *** FLHerne [~francis@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:39 *** FLHerne [~francis@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:55:08 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:24 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd