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09:04:45  <dihedral> greetings
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12:58:59  <George> RailTypes querstion. Is it possible to create a 2 electrified rail types and 3 types of trains, that can run on first, second and both rail types?
12:59:54  <George> If I carte a new 3-d rail type, that has trains that can use first and second rail types, I also get it in the list.
13:00:12  <George> But there should be only 2 rail types for trains
13:00:51  <George> How to solve it?
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13:09:20  <George> For example, Eurostar can run on electrified and 3-d rail rayl types. How to code it?
13:10:38  <andythenorth> compatibility with other labels?
13:10:49  * andythenorth hasn't tested
13:11:03  <andythenorth> pikka has done it afaik in UKRS 2
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13:11:28  <George> Because a train can have only one rail type, there should be provided some new rail type "combo". It has to specify compatibility with both  electrified rails and 3-d rail types
13:12:21  <George> But in this case there would be a new rail type "combo", that is not intended
13:12:52  <George> andythenorth: pikka has done it afaik in UKRS 2> How did he do it?
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13:16:32  <spongie> hi guys. are there any good designs available for a 3-way layout that balances over those 3 tracks based on congestion ahead?
13:17:32  <spongie> ive been doing this a lot with pre signals, but there's a problem. sometimes a train thats accelerating picks a free track branch only to have the exit signal turn red because a speeding train on a parallel track comes in.
13:17:59  <spongie> this leaves it hanging. the only sollution i have to this is to make the branching exits fit the entire train, taking up a lot of space
13:18:10  <Eddi|zuHause> George: when the problem appeared for the voltage systems in the ToE set, the discussed solution was to allow a "combo" railtype, because especially on some platforms, the voltage systems might be switchable
13:18:31  <Eddi|zuHause> George: just make it overly expensive
13:18:43  <spongie> using path signals, the path signal will sometimes block indefinetly because the penalty on the branch is too high
13:20:28  <George> Eddi|zuHause: I came to the same, but this sounds not a good solution. Would it be possible to hide this combo type?
13:21:01  <Eddi|zuHause> George: no, as soon as a vehicle uses it, it becomes available
13:21:24  <George> I nned a feature request :(
13:45:08  <planetmaker> spongie, you might want to have a look at the openttdcoop wiki
13:45:10  <planetmaker> or blog
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13:53:05  * appe gives planetmaker a spank
13:53:42  <appe> http://davemosher.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/saturn-earth.jpg
13:53:47  <appe> cassini space probe <3.
13:53:52  <planetmaker> tsk
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13:54:20  <planetmaker> ah, that famous picture. It's old, though ;-)
13:54:35  <appe> hehe
13:54:38  <appe> i love it.
13:54:51  <appe> and i do love the newer NASA approach on things
13:55:02  <appe> it's not just hard science with numbers and digits
13:55:07  <planetmaker> yes, iirc it was the cover picture of the related nature(?) issue
13:55:13  <appe> but lot of focus on esthetics
13:55:20  <appe> yes, thats correct
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14:17:56  <spongie> planetmaker: I am looking at it all the time, don't understand much of it tho hehe
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16:10:45  <Dozzer_X> How can I delete a part of a train station without deleting actually the entire station?
16:11:14  <andythenorth> 9 r
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16:11:17  <andythenorth> or 9 ctrl
16:13:39  <Eddi|zuHause> click the station tool and then the bulldozer tool
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17:50:29  <Rhamphoryncus> >.<  Just got the kirby paul tank prototype.. but can't build any cars
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18:12:54  <Rhamphoryncus> I wild wood car appears!
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18:13:56  <frosch123> is it sustainable?
18:15:20  <Rhamphoryncus> Moreso than my buses.  Got 20 or so that are losing money, despite being fully loaded both ways.  (Possibly cargodist related.)
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19:14:19  <Terkhen> hello
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19:24:45  <Wolf01> hello
19:25:32  <Wolf01> whoa, fog, I had to drive for 40Km with a depth of field of about 10 meters
19:29:30  <Terkhen> hi Wolf01
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19:29:35  <Terkhen> scary
19:30:01  <Rubidium> seems like perfect weather to opt to stay home and work from there
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19:30:26  <Wolf01> It made my eyes smoke like the Starcraft archon ones
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19:35:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r23845 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
19:35:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
19:35:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_AU - 3 changes by tomas4g
19:35:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 27 changes by OliTTD
19:35:18  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: romanian - 3 changes by kkmic
19:35:19  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tamil - 22 changes by aswn
19:35:19  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 4 changes by nglekhoi
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20:52:22  * andythenorth was thinking
20:54:10  <Wolf01> gah, I'm trying to maje a 2-way junction in minecraft, I miss TT tracks in this case
20:54:15  <Wolf01> *make
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20:58:05  <andythenorth> for reasons that are probably wrong, the idea of allowing industry newgrfs to have a text config appeals
20:58:14  <andythenorth> this is probably stupid, given we have a parameter gui
20:58:40  <andythenorth> the context was for scenarios / scripts
20:58:54  <andythenorth> which afaik, ship the parameters in the savegame anyway
20:59:20  <andythenorth> but ideas are cheap :P
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21:38:51  <frosch123> IS OPENTTD 1.1.2 GOING TO GET THE 33 BBP ????
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21:39:10  <andythenorth> yes
21:39:15  <andythenorth> you hadn't heard
21:39:16  <andythenorth> ?
21:39:22  <Rhamphoryncus> awww damnit.  Crashed my trains.
21:39:38  <frosch123> the 33 bbp?
21:39:41  <frosch123> sounds plausbile
21:39:41  <andythenorth> the extra bit will be used for equivalent of <blink>
21:39:58  <andythenorth> 0 = don't blink
21:40:03  <andythenorth> 1 = blink the entire screen
21:40:55  <Terkhen> I wonder why OpenTTD did not still get 32 bpp when most stuff got it like 10 years ago
21:41:17  <Terkhen> it should have 64 bpp already like the nintendo 64 or something
21:41:38  <Rubidium> frosch123: next time say we support 64bpp since 0.3.3
21:41:44  <__ln__> nothing below 128 bits is considered secure enough
21:42:08  <Terkhen> sprites are meant to be seen :P
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22:04:35  <Rhamphoryncus> grows.. every.. 11 days.. x_x
22:05:52  <Rhamphoryncus> I glanced away for a couple years and that town grew to 13000
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22:06:58  <planetmaker> mind that it means that every 11 days a house is build. That may be new or a replacement for an existing
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22:07:52  <Rhamphoryncus> yes, but it's become massive
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22:27:37  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:54:16  <frosch123> night
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23:02:23  <Terkhen> good night
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23:28:11  <Eddi|zuHause> random request: newgrf property to un-randomize the availability (so all wagons will be available at the exact same date)
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